INTERVIEW: 'Grits & Eggs' Podcast Talk Free Thought, Avoiding The Noise, Parenting + More

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day a week ago, clicks up the Breakfast Club Morning.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everybody's the j en Vy Jesse, Larry Charlamagne the Guy.
We are the Breakfast Club. We have a special guest
in the building. Yes, indeed, from the Gritted Eggs Podcast,
Deontay Kyle.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome, Goddamn cat, Big Ice.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
How you're feeling good? We're good, man. It's cold, bro,
excited to be here, tripping Bro, Like you're from Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
I'm from South Carolina too, so you never really get
used to this cold.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Yeah, It's like I had to jump out of ober, Like, Bro,
I might as well just walk jackets, Big jack.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Matter.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
What's the origin story of the Grits and Eggs podcast?

Speaker 4 (00:49):
I started doing TikTok from the truck just how to
you know. I'm like, you consume a lot of media
when you're on the road. I was like, man, I
feel like I could throw my head in here. I
feel like I got something to say. Yeah, charg drive Yeah,
for the last five years, I actually just stopped driving
trucks in April, you know what I'm saying. So once
the ticks has started blowing up, I just kind of

(01:10):
like foresight was just like I gotta find something else
to do. I can't just live on this one app
and I want to kind of get long form with it.
So YouTube natural place to go in the podcast, just
in like the place where people speak freely. So it's like, well,
I mean, I figure out how much it cost to
set this thing up.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I just started in the back of the truck.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
And then once it started gain tractioning me, I called
him and I was like, Yo, come work this camera
for me. Because we had a little Canning camera go
out like every twelve minutes, and I was like, man,
just come hit the button every twelve minutes. We had
to continue to shot little Sony four k joint and
I was like, yeah, it just run that and then
just the chemistry is just naturally started picking up.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm not even at the twelve minutes because anybody that
taped the podcast from the beginning knows that the camera
would shut off automatically twelve years. Yeah, so you either
have to reset it every twelve minutes or get two
views so that way you could go back and forth.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
That's what it was doing.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
The continual shot was grainy, but it was like a
decam and it was like it'll keep going so in
between times because sometimes he'll be like you forget, I
forget because we talked as friends, he ain't really seeing
me do my thing, so he like kind of getting
lost in the message. And then I'm like, Yo, get
the camera, bro, get on the camera. The red light
not on, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, it

(02:22):
was it was just a continuation of like smaller social
media clips into long fun content, like you can only
say so much in three minutes, and you can only
hold people attention so much on TikTok.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
So I was just like, all right, let's get a
long form and get the audience to actually want to
dive into these topics. You've been doing it for five years? No, no, no,
I've been doing I started a podcast two years ago
in March, so, uh two years visual in January. Oh
you ahead of schedule then, because you know, there was
always a statistics show that it usually takes a podcast
sixty seven years to really.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Really really take off. And for you to already be
cutting through after only a couple of years, that's damn good.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Yeah, I don't have to prove a concept from social
media though, So, like I didn't come into it like
without an audience I had. I was like one hundred
thousand strong on TikTok when I started, and so I
was like, all right, well kind of integrate these folks.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
And I know, like integration is like ten percent.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
I was like, you get a thousand people to watch
the yeah, I'm good. When we was getting a thousand.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, I'm glad you got that mentality because people be
acting like a thousand people not a lot of people.
Other people be outside right now.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
The real We did our first show one hundred and
fifty people looking at you on the face.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
It's crazy, that's right.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
I was like, I need a minute, broball, like this
is insane, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
But we done got used to that part too.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Because yeas you mess up, you know what I'm saying.
It's the same with comedy. It's like transitioning from being uh,
this this person will make skits and all that, and
then you go on stage and now they're looking at
you and you can't delete or you can't.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Edited, Yeah, they got it, and then they looking at
you like this entertain us, do it do the thing
you do?

Speaker 5 (03:58):
How was the first live show.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
It was cool man.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah, that's it was so much love too, because we
got invited out there and so like, you know, us
being like a podcast that's centered around like a black
experience and the community issues for us to go to
like one of the blackst cities in America. They invited
us and a lot of people. I'm going to Mississippi
to do nothing. So it was our first show, so
much love in it. But we done kind of got seasoned.
We do a couple of shows in Atlanta. We got

(04:22):
to show tomorrow out here. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
A difficult thing to talk about when you talk about
the podcast, what's one thing you'd be like, Ah, we
got to talk about that as a relationship. As a
politics is itationships.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, don't do that.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
I start away from anything that's like low hanging fruit,
things that people just do just to get clicks.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
I don't do raise bait.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Either you're gonna engage with this because you're genuinely interested,
or you're gonna keep it pushing, you know what I mean.
I'm not I'm not trying to come with a hook.
I'm not doing none of that because relationships, that's two people.
I don't know what I don't know how you was raised.
I don't know what type of love you grew up around,
So I can't tell you how to love or how
to receive love, or how to operate with your partner.
Like that's that's just gonna have people disagreeing, and that's

(04:59):
good for engagement, but ain't long lasting.

Speaker 6 (05:02):
Say, how do you choose in the community?

Speaker 7 (05:05):
What Because there's always a lot going on, what you
spend your time focusing on what's low hanging fruit and
what's not.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
I just don't react, you know what I mean? Like,
like the thing about TikTok. What I learned early on
how to separate myself is like, don't just make a
video soon as something come out, because you're gonna miss
the mark. You don't got all the information. You don't
know if the headline was false, you don't know if
it's AI. You don't know nothing. So I just sit
back and kind of let like get my own perspective

(05:31):
on it, and like kind of research things too. People
just be talking. People just say stuff, and then you
come out and you ain't researched. I started to see
this happen with lgs a lot now Instagram, Like they
reposting stuff and like reacting and stuff and it's like
that's AI, it's not it's notorious for that, Pete Rock,

(05:55):
what you.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Be doing a stuff like oh my god, this is real.
Pep right, this.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
I got one time with what was the brother name,
Kyle Lacy. It was they said it was his mom
and I got it from an eternity being Crump's page.
So it was his mom talking about what happened to
him and I just reposted it and it was a Yeah, it.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Get a little wicked because it's like you don't want
to because then it's like it's it's not really a
credibility thing. Anybody can get got by it, especially with
it being some new But I think with just reacting
to things off your like emotional standpoint, you can't take
your back like once you post it in you know
the internet thing like if you you take a puss down,
they're like scared.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
But you gotta admit when you're wrong. Yeah, that's all
you gotta do too, because your audience will appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
I think the human aspect of it is just being
able to just say you're wrong. Don't double down on
your life, don't double down when you when you mess
up down here and be like, yeah, I missed, mister Mark,
I'm human.

Speaker 7 (06:51):
Now that people are coming to y'all as like a
source of education, how has that changed or has it
changed your approach and how you present information? Is there
like a pressure because people like my little brother loves
your content and he swears by everything you said? Yeah,
I like literally does that add pressure into how you
put out your content on what you choose to up?

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Not really, I don't. I never approached it as like
an authority. These things I was talking about anyway, These
are things conversations I was having with lot of my friends, family,
the homies, like any anytime I used to rap, like
in between songs and the engine er doing this thing.
I was always talking about like owning our own stuff
or like you know, just like organically creating a following

(07:32):
different ways and strategic and then it was naturally leading
to things that's going on in the community.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
I had these opinions already.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
So a lot of my stuff is things that I researched,
lectures that I watch and kind of digest it for myself,
but also like life experience. I don't talk about nothing, no, no,
So I don't got that pressure to feel like I'm
an authority on something or I gotta say something like
it's ten other creators out here that said something about that.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Go watch the video. They might have hit it.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
I'm not gonna regurgitate information just because you want to
hear it from me, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (08:00):
My brother wants to start this like trucking company, and
he has a whole idea. And when he told me
about it, he sent me the video that you did
on ownership. It was like, you could work all these
businesses and try to become a millionaire, but what they
give to you they could take from you, right, And
that was his way of telling me, like I need
to help him figure that out.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
But yeah, yeah, so he.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Leans into y'all lot, Yeah for sure, shout out your
little brother.

Speaker 7 (08:22):
His name is don Don't on the truck.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Why the name grits and eggs, Like, what does that
represent about the show's voice of the identity I was.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
I was kind of thinking about when I came to
my own, like when I started thinking for myself, making
my own decisions and started real young. I was like eleven,
when my folks had split up. My mom actually moved
to Atlanta, and we started in women to North Carolina
with our dad, and Passa's like, look, bro y'all, Mama
grond I got to pick up another job.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Grits, gris and eggs. That's to go to all the time.
It's always gonna be on there. Learn how to.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Cook that you can take care of yourself twice a week.
Come throw us pot of spaghetti in there. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
You good?

Speaker 4 (09:03):
So it was just like this how I kind of
game my autonomy. I was taking care of my siblings.
I ain't have to do nothing if I don't want to.
If I didn't want to go to school, I ain't
have to, you know what I mean. But I also
started making like responsible decisions for myself too, and too
like all the hemies at school when'm a skied school.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
And be a humb by myself.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
I ain't trying to do that, but it was just
like it reminded me of a time when I was
like really starting to think for myself. And then it
just like it's southern, you know, it's black, and it's
it sounds good, you.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Know what I'm saying. So it hit all my marks
and I was like, yeah, we're going a roun with it.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Ain't no better breakfast bro a biscuits every day you live.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
You're full too.

Speaker 8 (09:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
Look, right, so you went from social media to now
doing your live shows? Right, what are some of the
challenges that you would face when you when you made
that transition, Like, because you mentioned earlier it's one in
the seats is like, now what do I do? Like,
what are some of the other challenges?

Speaker 1 (09:57):
What did you realize?

Speaker 4 (09:58):
I think it's just figuring how to structure the show.
It's not the same when we me and himuld go
off on a tangent, like we're just banter sometimes, and
it's like you can't really do that in a live
show because you kind of got to involve the crowd.
You want them to be involved. So also, you know,
rushing through your talking points my first show, like I

(10:19):
had all these talking points and I done went through
them because I'm nervous for real. So I'm just like,
I'm not pacing, I'm not taking my time, I'm not pausing,
I'm not doing none of that that I would do
on the show. And then I was like, damn man,
it's like we're only fifteen minutes and they don't know,
And I'm like that to slow bro, and I was like, big,

(10:39):
what's up baby?

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Talk to the people.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
But I was like with me, but when you start interacting,
I like the thing that I do at the live
shows now is like, you know, normally you wait till
the end, you do a Q and A and they
ask you questions. But I got these topics that surround
already my talking points were, but I like to pose
a question to the crowd because like, I feel like I.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Could trust my crowd.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
They intelligent people, and every time we post questions of
the crowd and they come up, it's like so much
substance that they bring because a lot of these people
be like professionals, Like we got professors that come, doctors,
all people from all talk about so life and shit
like that. So it's like, damn, I can really trust
my crowd and I can feed off them too, and
that actually like build out the interaction.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
But they really feel like they're part of the show too.

Speaker 7 (11:26):
When you're doing cultural commentary, right, and both of y'all
have so much different perspective and personal experience in preparation
how long because I feel like y'all conversations between each other. Well,
probably go for hours in preparation. How do you cut
it and be like this is what we gonna take
from it there because your clips online get straight.

Speaker 6 (11:42):
To what you need to get to.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I mean, we just focus on the main the main thing.

Speaker 9 (11:50):
We keep the main thing, the main thing, because like
I said, like he said, we can bant it for hours.
We can go for hours and hours about different different
topics and subjects, but basically we just you know, he
focus on he gets his key points, he writes them
down on the talk on the whiteboard, and then we'll
go over and then we just go from the show
from there.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Brother, don't even know what we're gonna talk about. I
really don't. He just put it's like the whiteboard full.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
And it's like, but I know him, you know what
I'm saying, and we know each other for so long,
it's like it's natural.

Speaker 5 (12:16):

Speaker 3 (12:17):
It's natural, Like he gonna fall in.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
He got a different perspective on a lot of things too,
but it's the ideology is a line, so you know
what I'm saying, Like like when we kick the mathematics
to him, like because you know he got the five
percent of knowledge and all of it. It's just kind
of like showcasing all these different black thoughts, you know
what I mean. But as far as picking the topic,
it's like, for real, I might pull a topic from
this conversation, like I like to pull it from real

(12:41):
life situations and you know, just things that I actually
care about, Like if we see issues in our community,
it ain't really like it ain't.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Progressive to like beerate each other.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
And a lot of people think that that's the way
to get a point across, Like I gotta brate you,
I gotta talk down like, hey, bro yall, mama talk
to you. That don't time to me like that, you
know what I'm saying. A lot of people bringing stuff
from their household when you bring up to the community.
If you start empathy, I love, it's like people don't
receive that, you know, the same way you receive information.
So if it feels like it's coming from somebody who cares,
then I think the messican can get across. But I

(13:15):
think getting right to it, like especially on social media.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
I don't need no hood. This is what we're talking about,
and then we gonna go through.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
So Cat, you don't even be knowing what he gonna
talk about it when you come up to the house.
He got on the Satan mask with a shoot on.
First of all, when I came to the house, that
they okay. He came to the door regular, He said,
I got surprised for you. I said, all right, cool.
He goes upstairs.

Speaker 9 (13:36):
You ready, I said, YOA come on, nigga, come downstairs
in a Trump suit with a Saint mat I said,
I know what kind of episode is going to be.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I already know what the sponsors to go be. You
know what I'm saying. But that's the type of ship
we do though. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (13:47):
If somebody say something online, like they try to counsel
them every two weeks over something that he say, but
the people ain't listening, trying.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
To cancel you and they listen to react, no listen
to the message. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (13:57):
I think it's because a lot of people are gonna
say free but free thought with black people in black
community sometimes there's a big fight of what people think
free thought is and what they don't think it is.
And with you, you kind of just say things that
people are really not going to say.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Well, I mean systemically free thought come with big punishment,
and so I think a lot of it is like
maybe not cancel them, Like maybe the folk be scared
for me, because I'd be saying for like protecting them,
like protect me from who?

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
I ain't tripping on that.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Like if we're not gonna say, I mean, what's the
point We're gonna play the game like a cow? Then
what's the point I don't need no podcast If I'm
playing a game like a cow, I could just go
take a little money that they try to get to
me ere two weeks or whatever the case may be.
But we got like stract stances on what we not advertising,
where we not going with it, what we're not gonna
talk about. And you know, I think the bigger thing
is just like it's it worked to get us here.

(14:49):
What I'm changing it up for, you know what I mean,
I ain't really I ain't scared to talk about now
as far as like, you know, whatever the topic may
be that oh this will get you shot up band whatever.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I don't own the apps, bro, I own it.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
So it's like, Okay, if I see people constantly getting
shadow Man for stuff, maybe we say this for a
patron you know, you just got another game.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
You're playing in the fields you're in like on none
of these apps.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
So if I see them punishing folks, let's go somewhere
where we already got our subscription for the service. We
know our faults over here, we got a discord over here,
let's talk about it or not everything.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
I gotta be for the public all the time.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
But you know, what you just talked about is making
a choice. And I think that there's a misconception that
when you work for a corporate entity, you can't talk
about the things you want to talk about, right, you can't.
You just make the choice. You make choice, the choice, yeah,
and deal with what comes with that.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah, you know the rule. You know what I'm saying,
But you sign the rules.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Don't come from the rules. The backlash ain't gonna come.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
From corporate No, you know what I mean, It's not
come from the consumer.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
The consumer or the person you actually talked about. If
I go on Fox News and I talk about Donald Trump,
which I have, and that Donald Trump calls me a
racist swede bag with a low IQ, which he has,
that just comes with me, you know, making the choice.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Yes, I mean, ain't it ain't gonna change, and the
way I approach it. I think the thing about getting
canceled is like, I mean, you gotta art You gotta
articulate the disagreement.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
You can't just say I don't like that you cancel.
You don't control my life.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, at one time it was advertising pulling immediately, but
I always hated it because we should be able to
have a conversation even if we don't agree with each other.
Why can't we have a conversation. Well, we don't understand
push the limit.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
For sure, because we also don't understand like what freedom
and speech is. You know what I'm saying, Like, it
ain't the freedom of consequences. I get, but we self censoring.
Now we're gonna censor ourselves. So then when they take
your freedom of speech, it's like, well, y'all slow walked
us into it because you like that mob mentality to
make you feel like you got power online.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
But the thing is, in three days you don't even
care no more.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
And this this is messed up person, hard career regardless,
like you know, the the other side of this is
like Russell Lumball had like.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
A very lucative career. I ain't agree with.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Most And then he said, but I can understand the
power of that community. They did agree with him, allowing
him to do it for so long, and we were.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Right here, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
We did a joint show with Russ before and went
back and forth and everything agreed to disagree and all
of that.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
I think, I think you need a diversity of thought.
If you only engaging with stuff that you agree with
all the time, your scope of intelligence is gonna shrinks
because you're an echo chamber. So I always dive into
like like a lot of people were saying they ain't
no who like Charlie, Kurt web for he died and whatnot,
Like I did. I pay attention to folks like that
because I need to know what these folks think about this.
And that doesn't find the community too, but also too,

(17:33):
It's like why they kicking it like that? If you're
not basing no facts, I really don't want to hear it,
but it's being said, so we need to know it's
being said about it, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (17:42):
Has there been anybody that has reached out to y'all
to come onto the podcast to debate some of y'all
thought that.

Speaker 6 (17:47):
You're like, nah, this is harmful. We don't want to
have this conversation.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
No, never, because I ain't debating ugh, but debates on
change minds. It's just we just having a pisson context.
I'm cool on that. You know what I'm saying. You
can stitch a video and do your thing.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
I ain't baiting they said you debate your Piers everybody
else you teach you did.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah. A lot of people come on the show man like, no,
we ain't doing that. Really ain't doing that, Noah.

Speaker 9 (18:08):
I mean if on the line with it, if you
don't like it, like if you don't want to funk
with it, if he don't rock with it, it's like,
we ain't doing that, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (18:19):
He also said, like people have been reaching out to
us for a bag for one. We don't do no
gambling if you won't do no DIC pills. So we
always talk to.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
No mail enhancement.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
You know what I'm saying, it's the reasons reason for this,
you know what I mean, that'd be offering to you know,
but I'd be like, and if they answers again, everybody
getting fired because I already said no. So it's like
the thing is you know, big care Bro, Like this
is my dog, Bro, I'd be cool, like I don't

(18:52):
really we we we wanted a few shows where people
would prefer for us to have the solid episode anytime
we drop I guess on Wednesdays, Like Wednesdays is our
Sollo slot. We didn't have our guests for the longest.
He ain't even our camera, you know what I'm saying.
So I'm for a facing. We don't drop Wednesday episodes.
They like, yeah, that's cute now, but you can give
that another thing. Wednesday is our day. We're doing the

(19:13):
knowledge on Wednesdays. So I mean, now we got to
guess episodes. But if you're not hip to who I am,
I'm not hip to what you do. I'm not like
a marketing company, bro the promo. Are we here to
have a conversation. I don't know who you is.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
I think it's good. I think it's good because sometimes
we get stuck in our own chamber, right, but we
don't know what's going on or see what's going on.
Like her brother listens to you all the time. He
listens from a different perspective, for sure, So I watch
you from a different perspective. I watch you from the
clips because I don't have time to watch full episode.
But it's sometimes it's putting on people that might not
know who you are, but be like, damn, that's a
small brother. Those are small brothers. Let me let me

(19:48):
check them out, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Yeah, So I say this, I took my strategy when
it comes to guests. It's kind of like the Joe
Rugan strategy. I like to take people that is in
feels like we just interview a black extra physicists, uh
black like psychologists. We interviewed quite a few, like therapists.
I'm pulling from different schools of thought. But it ain't
really necessarily about your following or nothing like that. It's

(20:11):
like if I like what you're talking about, or if
it's out of my range of capability, Like I don't
know nothing about astrophysics, for really, he do, and somebody
listening might be interested in this, or their child might
watch it, like people watch our show with their children.
So it's like this might send him on the career path.
But I'm also like, I got like some little nerdy
questions to ask you, bro, and you you the professional,

(20:32):
You the expert. I'm gonna gonna ask you, But I
think we need to see like a spectrum of black thought,
and it ain't always got to be black radical thoughts.
Sometimes it's just pure education. Sometimes it's just these are feels.
We don't know what people in We gonna interview a
marine biologists top of twenty twenty six. It's like, I
just want to see, like see blackness in this full thing,
this monolift that we got.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
But that's dope, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
It's always been all model here, same thing. Bring everybody,
anybody with an area of expertise, you know, especially black people.
You know, let's why not why not give them a platform.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
That kid's mind, you know what, I want to try that.
Let me look look that up in school, Let me
do my homework on that, which sometimes we don't get.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Yeah, y'all have y'all lover caught y'allself like in the moment,
like shout of here's wildent y'all. Don't y'all like like
where you like kind of freezer, like what's like because
you can see where people I don't know about you you.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Take it up with them.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
But like I think sometimes I know when people coming
because they want to like, oh, this would be good,
like I can get some clips or whatever. It's like,
I don't went down your pathg ain't talk about for
real cool on that. You know what I'm saying. It's
plenty of folks you can talk to and the following
really doesn't matter. It's like, is this gonna be like
not benefit me, but like benefit the audience. It's gonna
add anything. Is we're gonna be able to have a

(21:54):
real conversation or you just want to come up here
so you can disagree with me in front of everybody.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Cool, But you know what, y'all learning of very a
very good part of your skill set because when women
used to always tell me, you're only gonna interview somebody
like jay Z wants right, though you might interview Rihanna
Beyonce wants right. They come to listen to you every
single day. So it's the same thing with y'all. With
the podcast, right, people want to hear from y'all to

(22:18):
every single episode that I know I can stand on right.
Everything else is gravy.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Yeah, it feels good to have established it ourselves without
like we were not like formerly media trained or even
in entertainment, like we kind of grassroots came up. TikTok
is a great platform for like the everyday person to
kind of voice their opinion and perspective. And you know,
I'm just grateful that people right with me in the
way they do, like, because I don't think that everything

(22:44):
got to be a situation where people are placed in
front of you by corporations or entities or you know,
I've been grinding ten years and I just pivoted to this.
It's like, bro, I'm in truck, I just like you.
You know what I'm saying. Every day, I'm working sixty
hours a week. I'm taking care of my babies. You
know what I'm saying, but also out of mind and
perspective on things too that I feel like it's valuable
to the conversation.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
And those my favorite podcast stories, and I know that,
you know, there's a lot of rappers and athletes and
celebrities that get into the podcast get my favorite podcast
stories of people like yourselves and to read and Mandy
and Wheezy, people who weren't weren't in media at all,
like doing corporate jobs, driving trucks and decided know it,
I got something to say, I want to tell my
unique story and then people gravitate towards it. To me,

(23:25):
that's what the essence of podcasting is about.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, you got a bit on yourself for sure. Yeah
for sure.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
So earlier you said you don't talk about surface level ship,
you know, none of the little hanging through. But what's
a cultural moment right that it's taking place? And you've
seen online that you felt like absolutely needed a Grits
and Eggs tape.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
I don't know, Like we talk about everything. The pumpy
shit was good, I said, yeah, you know, I think
the most recent thing we kind of like fuzz being
it's like the whole like Rory in my situation of
the tweets, but it's just like I just be thinking,

(24:04):
like that fun and like, hey bro pack it up,
you know what I'm saying, Like it's cool because we're
kind of in this podcast space, like on some fun
friendly stuff like yeah, get up out of the way,
like we're making way for ourselves. But like cultural moments,
they come and go. If it's too much conversation about
it on social media, I don't really feel like I
could add that to it. If I don't feel like
I could add that if I've got a fresh perspective. Man,

(24:26):
I'm cool on it because it's like, like I said,
we just regard to having the same thing. If people
ask me what my opinion on stuff, and I know
a creator that has like a point in opinion, I'll
be like, go watch them got you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
But I feel like, you know what makes you all
successful with y'all got a mission baked in to y'all podcast.
At least that's what I feel when for sure, So
what's the what do you think the intentional through line
behind your conversations is?

Speaker 6 (24:51):
I think you click something yeah, sure.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
And you AI D I T.

Speaker 8 (25:01):
We'll stop talking for we got got just like that.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
But what do you think the intentional through line behind
your conversation?

Speaker 4 (25:17):
I think, for one, I know I can't change nobody's mind,
but I can change that perspective, right. I think that
the big overarching thing is like liberation, you know what
I'm saying, And liberation outside of the system, liberation outside
of the way you're thinking, liberation for black people, like
and then it's going to expand of course to like
all people of color, all poor people, all people that

(25:39):
face oppression. But I think for more than anything, it's
like we cifle through, We cycle through a lot of
talking points, saying the same ship over and over, and
it's never really a situation where I'm trying to help
somebody grow. It's just like a lot of people are
just happy, like, yeah, I don't think like that, but
you do. So I'm smart, you're dumb, I'm rich, you're poor,
all these different things. Like I got to like tip

(26:02):
the scales like that, Really we can leave opportunity for
everybody to grow. And a lot of people don't want
to see other girls for whatever reason. But for me,
it's like I come from blue collar work, Bro. I
know how many brilliant people is out here in the
world that don't even have social media. And then I
also know there's a lot of brilliant people that can
add the conversations that can help us grow and help
us see things in a different way because a lot

(26:23):
of times, like I said, we live in these echo
chambers where we kind of constantly get in the same
feedback loops, and a lot of the issues be with
self esteem, bro, And like we just it's very easy
to tear each other down, And I think that's the
route that people take, Like it was, like, you know,
it takes a lot more to care about somebody than
it do to like, you know, just like cut them

(26:44):
deep and just be like that's the easy thing to do.
A lot of us grow up in households where that's
the play, like cut you down real quick.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
But I don't.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
I want us to actually like be willing to express
a love and care for one another publicly.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
You know what I'm saying, how do you avoid that noise?

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Because you know, with a lot of time with podcasts,
anybody in the public, right you do it for the
right reason mostiple anger say everybody does, but most people
want to do it for the right reason. They want
to help and they realize the people that they're trying
to help somehow some way. Terms right, it could be
another podcast, there could be another personality. How do you
deal with that where you feel like it's it's not
a mental thing and you keep going through it and
don't let that ball do you affect you and that

(27:19):
of your day?

Speaker 4 (27:20):
I think that first it's just being honest about it
that they do about it, you know what I'm saying,
Like it don't feel good to be taught about negatively,
especially by multitude of people, and to feel misunderstood in
the midst of that too. So I can acknowledge the feeling,
but I don't got to defend it. I can back
up a little bit, like maybe I was wrong, maybe
I did say something that miss the mark. But at

(27:42):
the same time too, it's like, sometimes you gotta put
that phone down, bro, like in a real way, just
put the phone down, like gone about your day, and like,
you know, I got kids. I like can't spend all
day arguing with fouls online. My baby hunger and like that.
It can pin a bun of jail time. So hold on,
let me respond to this real quick. Got me messed up, like.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
I'm not now you got the kid?

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Up?

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Like bro, bro, this man tripping bro.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
And it's like, you know, you got to live your
real life too, I think I don't you know.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Social media.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Social media can be affirming, it could be very validating
at times, and I also tear you down. So it's
like just find the balance and all of it. It's
like I take the good just like I take the bad,
you know what I mean, Because if you get caught
up in it. It'll people people.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Having mental breaks, Like people be breaking mentally because my dad, my.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Daddy, you said, you never as good as they say
you are, You never as bad as they say exactly.
And one of my radio mentors and Cadillac Jack, he
would say, the rule of ten, three people go agree
with you when you say something. Three people will not
go agree with you. Four people don't even know what
the fun going on.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Yeah, yeah, I keeping you speak about like how people
get certain things from growing up in their household.

Speaker 6 (28:56):
Do you ever talk about yours? Do you ever talk
about yours?

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:59):
For sure.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
The birth for the Grisons is out of that. Like
when my focks split up that joint, it changed a
lot in me because when you in the household with
people that like really can't stand each other, but they trying.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
To keep it together for the kids.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
It's like it informed me so much, like, oh, they
don't think we're paying attention for real, or they don't
think we could feel like it's tension in here. So
I think a lot of that stuff in front of you,
making hyper vision it. So then it gets to a
position where like when I'm with my parts, I could
do whatever I want because he and her, and then
when I go with my mama, she's super strict. Now

(29:34):
I gotta find a balance and I'm bucking too, like,
but you got me missed up. Like I literally just
came from a situation where I'm out til one in
the morning because my parts, like he get off work,
he do bouncing that nightclub.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
He get home like two o'clock, but he got the car.
The car so loud, like squeaking.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
Wise, as long as I'm within eyeshot of the crib,
I can hear him coming like from the front of
the neighborhood, like all right, y'all boy, y'all here the man.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
We're in the house. And then I'm in the house
like that, Yeah, what's up? That happened?

Speaker 4 (30:01):
But I think, you know, I think the truth is
is like as vulnerable as I am about my situation
and everything, the thing that I realized is like, once
you push through like the kind of anxiety about exposing
yourself just being honest about your experience, you realize how
many people that went through it too, So you're really
actually helping people because they don't feel alone. So you know,

(30:23):
we don't talk about several things. I think the biggest thing,
the hardest thing for me to kind of come forward
was like you know, dealing with sexual saldy as a
child and stuff like that. But so many men came
out like, bro, if you hear stories about how men
lose Dave Virginity's crazy.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
I was eight.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Yeah, me too, eight years old, and it's like it's
a babysitter. You can't even say nothing. But it's like
if we if we start looking tour.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
They like to laugh about I'm not laugh when it's
a guy.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Deonce, we do not laugh.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
He just said that his abuser head a Jerry Kill
and I didn't like the.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Smell that's mine. I made her quick that man, you.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
Know what I'm saying, because he like so if she
had a swoop on the side, made her quick.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Where the joke come in?

Speaker 1 (31:14):
We don't laugh, no, man. When I was young, that's
what I told myself. I made her stop doing it
because I didn't like to smell her Jerry.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Reality is I made her stop doing it because it
needs Yeah, you're.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Being, yeah, but having the conversations like what we're gonna
lose by being I think a lot of times it's
like I just faking the funt like you everybody Okay,
you know you ever hear folks say that like I
got whooped and I turned off. You didn't actually didn't
this morning. You know what I'm saying, I'm scared eating?

(31:53):
Why did you streaming?

Speaker 3 (31:54):
But but they all right, is I don't talk about it.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
So if I don't talk about it, I finally acknowledge it,
then it can't be bothered.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
And you know, like we.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Talked about this the whole situation, like around food, Like
when you grow up poor, it's like you got to
eat everything on the plate. So then when you got
adults out here, like why you eating a triple cheeseburgers
because like they stomach just expanded. They be eating theyself
to death since they was eight seven to eight years
old because they folks just couldn't afford food.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
So it's like can't waste food. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
It's a lot of stuff that type out that our childhood.
You know, therapy it helps you like recognize some of
them stuff too. So when you kind of start unpacking
your childhood, you just wonder how many people ain't unpacking.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Their because everything when you I saw I see you
on your journey, and I see that you started going
to therapy. One thing therapy is gonna teach you that
every single thing that you're dealing with as an adult
is directly connected to something that happened to you as
a child. And you spend so much time as an
adult trying to heal that little traumatized little boy.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Man that fruit front the roof, bro.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
So whatever fruit you're putting out, it got a root
that it started there. And I think acknowledging that, I
think one of the most five bars my therapist ever dropped.
He was like, a perfection starts at inception, So if
you ever made a mistake, you ain't perfect.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
So she stopped trying to be perfect.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
You know, I was like cold, I would make mistakes
at seven.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Well I'm trying to be perfect.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
I can't be perfect.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
No, mom, He's like, you missed one shot in the
beginning of the game. You can make all the rest
of them. It's still ain't one hundred percent. You ain't perfect.
So you know, taking that with me too, and then
just not if I put it out there, how well
it's been received.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
It kind of takes the stigma and the fear away
from it.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
From not only me, but for other people too, and
it's like, that's really the girl for real because everybody
can't afford therapy. What mean you start going, yeah, bro,
this jump started again becoming a lot because dealing with
all this notoriety it pull you in several different directions.
Then start realizing like now I ain't got as much
time as I used to and where I used to

(34:00):
unpack these thoughts late at night, it's like, well, I'm
thinking about something I did when I was thirteen, and
I got to show tomorrow and I got this interview
and damn, I double schedule the studio session and I
got to like cancel on something, and it's like, damn, bro,
I need somewhere to put this and I don't want
to put it on somebody. I can't just put my dog,
like everything on my partner. Yeah, that's crazy. And the
day he got stuff he dealing with too, and it's like, well,

(34:22):
there are professionals out here that deal with this. It's
like and too, you have been like champion in therapy
for black Man for a long time, so you know,
I was like you look too. Situations like That're like okay, well,
Charlott mane be telling you go therapy, let me go
see what he fuk talking about. And I got a
black male therapist too, so it's like, you know, I

(34:42):
think it's also too important to be an example in
that space. Like it's okay, you take the stick my way.
We don't be trusting doctors. That's we got good reason
behind it. But get your mind right, like, get your
mind right for real, because if you don't get your
mind right in this space where you're sharing a lot
of your mind, you're gonna lose your mind.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Is your therapist culturally competent? You know?

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, he's from Northfolk, Virginia.

Speaker 7 (35:04):
Okay, do you talk to your therapists about certain things
you decide to divoge on your podcast or TikTok or
whatever first before you do it?

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Oh nah, man, we'll be talking about me.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Okay, really you know what I'm saying, Like the stuff
I won't share because it's like you got to keep
stuff for yourself too, you can't get folks.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
But then also to.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
Some stuff you know, you know, I got my own
shortcomings and perfections too that I want to work through
and like as I grow in this space, like it's
great to boom and have a great career. But like
if you stay routed in the same mentality or you
keep packing stuff away, you know, that's where you see
people crash out because he was like, dangn brother, just
snap one day. But it's like he been dealing with
all the pressures of being a provider, making all the

(35:45):
money and holding up this image and stuff like that.
A lot of this stuff do come with, like having
a reputation, being reputable, being trustworthy, being a.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Source of truth.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
You know, that come with pressure too because you want
to maintain the integrity of the stuff too. But then
you slipping in other parts of your life, that ship
are gonna compound it be a rout for you.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
That's what about you?

Speaker 3 (36:05):
What's your childhood?

Speaker 8 (36:07):
Childhood?

Speaker 3 (36:08):
I had this lit childhood. I ain't going out to.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
You cool your trauma.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
T I don't have trauma.

Speaker 9 (36:22):
But as far as like overall my childhood, like my
parents gave me a great childhood. My dad did this
thing in the streets, went to prison. So that's like
how where my trauma come from? Because I never I
like always said, no matter how broke, I am ain't
gonna see on no drugs because being in the call
when you were a kid and driving through the middle

(36:42):
of know where to go to a prison. That should
do something to you, you know what I'm saying, Because
then I had to leave my dad. That's my dog nowhere, Yeah,
in the middle of nowhere. But but yeah, so like
just seeing that and like going to a prison and

(37:04):
seeing my dad have to these white people talking to
my dad crazy, like getting in line and do this ship.
That is where my trauma come from. So I always said,
I never put my woman on my kid.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Do that, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (37:16):
So, like I said, no matter how broke I am,
I'd be thinking about it, like now, well I can
get off of brick right now, yep. But then the
other part of it, I've seen the other part of
a lot of people don't talk about that. They just
talk about, yeah, my dad was this in the street.
But do you ever go see your dad in prison?

Speaker 3 (37:33):
That shit crazy?

Speaker 9 (37:35):
So yeah, that's that's That's the only thing traumba for
my childhood. But other than that, everything I wanted.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
And y'all met early, y'all met, Like we're saying that
about your father. You know, there was this whole thing
with Mike Capsta. Think about it last week when they
was like mad at him because he said you shouldn't
celebrate people when the home out of prison. What y'all
thought about that?

Speaker 9 (37:56):
I mean, we say this all the time. People who
get celebrated coming out of prison. We celebrate them more
than people that come home from college. You know what
I'm saying. Naw, you shouldn't really get celebrated because you
can't hold a prison. But were happy to see you, you.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (38:09):
But also your cousin in college, you're struggling to eat
every night. We gotta get him that money. You in jail.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
You know, of course we gonna help you when we can,
but ship you need to help too.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
More do you do?

Speaker 9 (38:21):
But when you come home, we go celebrate you, But
we should also celebrate you know, the cousin that's coming
home from college that just graduated.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
And in our community, I think we don't see that enough.

Speaker 9 (38:28):
And I think, like, you know, that's that's like a
big thing in our community, celebrating people that come from jail.
Because go ahead, bay stress, because yeah, because like we
see that more in our community, people going to jail
then people going to college. And it's like, you know,
how can we relate? So when you get somebody to
go to college, it's like, all right, well you're home
now that.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
What he's supposed to do.

Speaker 9 (38:48):
What about the person that went to jail what they
were supposed to do? Yeah, so come home, get in line,
get that job, get that trade. We go help you out.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
We ain't even throw no bigg ass party.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
For you at your kids? Right, How does the trauma
that that you had as a child affect how you
raise your kids?

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Man, bro, I already know that I'm just not gonna
get everything right when you get out of your.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Man.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Look, man, the lder you get, the more like you
just understand your parents With people, I honestly, when I
make a mistake, I apologize to my children, like directly,
straight up. I love on my kids lot because ween't
come from a very effictionate household. I'm thinking, do you
know I don't remember. I know I was in teenage
years and like kind of cutting up before my folks.

(39:37):
It was like vocally said I love you.

Speaker 3 (39:38):

Speaker 4 (39:41):
So I kind of killed the superman early with them, Like, look, bro,
I make mistakes, I mess up. I'm not perfect. You're
not perfect. You're not gonna be perfect.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
But that doesn't kill a superman because they still think
thatad he's Superman.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
Yeah, but I'm talking about that fiction is like, you know,
I used to think my parents knew everything. Bro y'all
was winging it brou because like it be times where
I'm like, I'm fucking winging. I'm winging it right now.
I don't got it figured out, you know what I'm saying.
I'm like, Bro, it's a little Caesars. That's what I

(40:14):
got on me right now. It's not like but and
I want you want to dress it up like it's
a piece of party. It's like, nah, we broke because
that's where we are with it. We messed up. We're
gonna get two pieces for a little Caesars, you know
what I'm saying. We're gonna rock out, eat it while
it's hot, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, But I
think more than anything, it's like you just try to
minimize it. Like for the most part, I'm gonna take

(40:36):
everything from my parents that I feel like they did
right and in part of their wisdom to my children
because it worked for me and things I feel like
they did wrong. I don't think we gotta demonize it,
but just learn from it. Why did they think like that?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
That's the understanding why they did the day?

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
I mean like sometimes I look back at my dad
and I would hate when it's like you got to
be home with this time. You can't go there now
when I got kids, I'm.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Like, that's why you said it.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Now you can't go there. But the difference is, I explain,
as I said, so you just took it.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
Asked why, well I couldn't. Why you know what I mean,
that's because she couldn't. Right, You look at that as
a form of disrespect, like you are you questioning my judgment?

Speaker 6 (41:16):
Is like, yeah, I am.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
And when and when did that start with black people?

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Well, we couldn't question that, so we carry that into
our households and we just got to continue, you know,
Like I get the idea of breaking generational curses is cool,
but it's like I ain't gonna say my fault cursed me.
I think we just we're healing generation by generation. We
come from a rough beginning in this country, and that
stuff staying on a on a genetic level of staying.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
So I think more than anything. I try to recognize, Like.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
When I'm repeating some of those behaviors too, I try
not to, like try to be slow to anger. But
you don't get it right all the time. Sometimes kids
be tripping, like they do.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
What's with you?

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Like that?

Speaker 3 (42:00):
You know what I'm saying. You try, But I think
the same thing too, is like you just got to
take the ego out of these people. They little people.
They don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I used to say no for no reason.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
You do not get to know.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Why did you say.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Because you can because because that's what you used to
You just used to know, just like and then it's
like to my point, it's like your parents don't tell you,
like what the finance situation is, and then like you
gotta ask your mama, Like, bro, you know the Dreamcast
came out, get the face, like.

Speaker 9 (42:31):
Yeah, but you put more pressure on it though I
just seen I just seen the commercial.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
But I don't know what you're going through.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
But that's really about to say.

Speaker 9 (42:42):
You just put more pressure on on your parents at
that point because they don't they don't know how to
say like I ain't got it, I ain't got it
because they want and they eyes they wanted you to
look at them like they got everything. They can provide
everything for you. And sometimes been telling myself like, brother,
I ain't got it right now. Brom'st in sixteen, so
I'll be like ship Bro sometimes and he was loving
b I ain't got that shit right now now a little.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Bit, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
But one reason that we are head of the curve
is because we not afraid to tell our kids our stories. Man,
We're not afraid. When I started to, you know, go
to therapy and start talking about my mental health issue,
That's what my dad opened up to me. I ain't
know my dad was on ten to twelve different medications
for his mental health. I didn't know he tried to
commit suicide. I didn't know he was going through a
therapist two and three times a week. But when he
told me that, man, I give it just made me

(43:27):
give him all the grace in the world come like
he was just a man trying to figure it out.
Like I'm a man trying to figure it out, right,
But it's just good to tell our kids our stories.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
Yeah, and even with your or the faults, like you
can extend grace tong once you learn that story.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Some people ain't gonna change.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
I think a situation like we kind of grow up
in this situation where we ready to cut everybody off
of everything. We got enough contact with everybody. That's an
avoidant style of dealing with stuff too. I'd rather just
get you out my life. But I also understand on
the other side of that, it's like, man, you can't
just gonna be disrespecting me. You know what I'm saying.
You're gonna recognize me as a girl and human too.

(44:03):
And I understand a void like like just giving folk
space when you realize they ag ready to grow so
you can continue to grow too. Cause like trying to
change somebody's mind, bro, that's the hardest thing. That's hard
to change your ownline about stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah, you can't deal with the person that hadn't recognized
your growth on me. Ain't even just your family, just
anybody in general. Like I'm sure y'all got people from
high school. That's like still trying to talk to y'all,
like y'all haven't grown and who y'all are now? You
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (44:26):
If you calling me from high school, you're STI talking
about it in high school. I don't want to talk
to you. Yeah, I don't want to kick it, which
you can chop that bro.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
Even going back to what you said Kat, just now,
you were talking about having a child and you're saying
just no because you can, and then you're putting the
pressure on. Yeah, you were talking about putting the pressure
on the parent because you know they ain't got it.
They don't know how to say it.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Now.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
My sons seeing the best of both worlds because I
didn't always have it right and now I do, you know,
and been having it right. But I still don't like
to you just give him because we got it now,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Like what are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 5 (45:05):
Because some people bought out of control all the time
because they got it now and they didn't have it before.
But I want my son, I want ask them to
be open minded. I don't want him to be entitled.
I don't it's certain things I don't want him, oh
just because my mother got this, oh you know, and they're.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Just a black experience. Yeah, I don't like to.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Give him everything he asked. So like the christ if
you saw this Christmas list, but.

Speaker 9 (45:28):
Sid, your son can't from trugtle with you though, like
we've seen your son grow up with you, you know what
I'm saying. That's amazing too, though, But you know, it's
just you have to balance it out.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
But I ain't get him everything on the Christmas list.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
It's wrong for them.

Speaker 9 (45:40):
I'm not getting no because you got to teach him
like some shit you got to earn.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Some shit can be given. Some shing you gotta earn.
You know what I'm saying. You can't give him everything.

Speaker 9 (45:48):
If you give a person everything, they feel entired, like,
oh shit, I can get it whatever I want to get.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
And I have no complaints. I'm talking about straight a.
My son smart as a mom like me, you know, but.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
I would say he's smarter, but that's that's good. Supposed
to be smarter than.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
He's supposed to be smarter.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
My son is smart.

Speaker 5 (46:13):
But even still, I have no problem out of my kid.
But still it's just something about getting him everything that
he asks for when he asks for it. I have
no issues with my son. I just still don't want
to do that getting every single thing.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
No, we should.

Speaker 9 (46:29):
We should be able to spoil our children, you know,
because the other side spoil their children, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (46:39):
But the other side, you know, they had to look,
you know, can't tell me nothing. We come from a
place where you know, a lot of us came from
humble beginnings. So we ain't always have everything, you know
what I'm saying. So that's that's that's where it comes from.
It's like a mental thing like I don't want to
give everything because ship I ain't have everything, but my
mom did try to give me what she could. But
you can give them what you what you want. And

(47:00):
that's a difference, and I think it's way your struggle.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
But you know, on the other end of that, because
I go back and forth about this, A lot of
parents when they die, they give their kids something right,
and I never wanted that to be me. I want
to see my parents enjoy. I want to see me
my kids enjoy what I work hard, like, I want
to see it. I don't want to give it to
them when they die. I want to see it. And
then on another thing, I always say, we work hard sometimes,

(47:23):
but we want our kids to struggle, and I don't
want I didn't want that to be my kids. I
want them to do what they want to do, right,
because at the end of the life, you realize life
is short, right, and at the end of the day,
it doesn't matter how much money you got, is matter.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
How happy you are.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
So if I could set your life up where you
can do if you want to do nails, if it
makes you happy, you're happy. I don't care.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
That's not my life.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
I just want you to be happy. You don't got
to be a billionaire, you ain't got to be one
hundred million yet. But if you happy making one hundred
thousand dollars a year and you're genuinely happy, that's better
than most people out here that's not happy that makes
all this money. I try to set up their life
where it's like, let me guide you, where you could
just do what you want to do. Because as a kid,
when I said I wanted to be a d J,
everybody laugh like, nigga, you can't be no DJ. And
I'm sure y'all heard the same thing when y'all said,

(48:05):
y'all want to do the podcast. So it's like, that's
what I want for my kids in my family, just
want them to be happy.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
Yeah, well, my son wanted to be a gamer, but
then I watched them and like he sucks, so it's
like you can't do the game, but he's great at sports.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
I think that real though, bro, Like you know, I
told my kids like you, like people tell you can
be anything in the world you want.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
You could be with you good at you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
You second, math, why are you trying to be a
rock sized It's just like sugg Justice, know what I'm saying,
attle Bit you're great with words, Yeah, slam.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Poetry may be when you say that because he hates
to see his kid slim, I'm crazy.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
It's just dramatic. That's not like anime. It's just ramatic.
You just you the she was just yeah, we got
something drop on her. It's not it's not that, it's
just you know, like I wish that I.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Could see.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
That's what I'm talking about, just that genre and when
you can see that, the d isn't for me.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
L G B T.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
A real breakfast club.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Yeah, but keeping a balance with your kids is important
to because I think you don't want to get to
receiving And then also one of the worst things as
a parent is like when you give your child something
and you don't feel like they're grateful, like you feel
like it's like but you got to internalize it too,

(49:58):
So it's like you kind of you can't just you
can't make somebody be grateful. But I think, you know,
I tell my kids like it be limits on everything
to Like my son, he get a fourteen, you know,
like their generation is looking at like Lamping's and is
that how you pronounce that whatever?

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Designer? They look at that like regular Degglar.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
I'm like I told him, I was like, you know
anything that I will rock Nike, you know, Dadas whatever
like regular Doglar. I'm with you. When you start talking
designer that stuff, you gotta go get your own. You
heard of that, you know what I'm saying, Like twelve hundred.

Speaker 9 (50:35):
Yeah, like it got them form but ship but right, yeah,
but how many hours did the airport for them get
twelve niggas their port all day?

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Yeah? Like I told my son, yeah, sixteen.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Sixteen you bought Wow, but flying fresh.

Speaker 9 (50:55):
They come from my childhood though, you know what I'm saying,
It's like my daddy had it like that, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
So what I like, Shit, your.

Speaker 9 (51:01):
Dad wasn't working at the airport, was he was he
wasn't working at the airport. But I've seen this shit.
Like if I asked for it, I probably wouldn't get
it that week, but I get it next week, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
So it's just like damn.

Speaker 9 (51:13):
In my mind is like the pressure like what I'm saying,
the pressure like that, how can I keep it?

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Like my dad was a great dad, even in prison.
My dad was a gret dad. My dad told me
how to watch the dishes over the phone. You know
what I'm saying, Do this, go, do that. He told
me to cut the grays on the phone. You feel me.
But I'll be like, damn, how can I keep it
with my dad?

Speaker 9 (51:28):
I ain't got the money that my dad had to
throw away, but ship, I still want to be a
great dad, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
That's why I like compete with myself.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Like I mean, I mean you are you already are? Yeah,
You're a better father than your father because just being
free physically.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
I always tell my kids that when they think I'm
being hard on them, It's like, bro, I'm not focused on.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
You, the twelve year old, I'm focused on you the
twenty two year olds.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Real you know, you're raising it like we're raising we're
raising children, but they're going to be a They're gonna
function in the world, and a lot of how they
function is gonna start from how they was in the household.
So if they feel entitled because their mom and get
them everything they want, that's gonna spill over the jobs,
that's gonna spill over the partners, that's gonna spill over
to so many different.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Relationships in your life.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
It's just like keeping bound You got boundaries with your
cheersren too, you know what I'm saying. And you allow
your kids to have boundaries with you as a parent,
you know.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
What I mean?

Speaker 7 (52:19):
Yeah, speaking of parenting you uh your TikTok video about
your biological mom being white, Yeah, that sparked so much
like conversation around identity and like being a biracial kid
and you know what made you want to share that
and particalarly going through that.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
So it was just you know, you just start talking
about yourself, like honestly, my mom and dad in two
thousand nineteen, I didn't look Yeah, yeah, I didn't know.
I didn't know I was a doctor. So I found
out post her. I was adopted at two days old,
you did what I'm saying. So of course that is
gonna spark up a whole bunch of stuff around identity

(52:57):
and things like that. But for me it was liberating
because I was like, brod, I knew I went't crazy.
Bro Yeah, we ain't all in here looking alike. You know,
I'm I'm add aball out on how we looked.

Speaker 6 (53:06):
It was just a physical looking or did you feel
away and turning?

Speaker 1 (53:09):
No?

Speaker 4 (53:09):
No, it's like it's everything. I don't think the way.
It's a lot of different things, you know what I'm saying.
But for me it was just like really, it's like
I'm gonna let you hear it from the horse's mouth
because it was it was all TikTok videos that was resarchcing,
and people was like, see, he ain't no black leader,
he ain't even black. It's like shouty my mom and
daddy black. I was adopted at two days old. I

(53:30):
don't even know these folks. For one, I don't know
if these folks white or not. I don't know them.
And only only thing I know is JUHNK. We just
joke about being Scottish because I did a little ancestor
like you know when you first time find something out
you like, I don't know, it's like, oh, I'm thirty
percent Scottish, I'm forty percent not gym like real, you
know what I mean, I'm a Scottish Nigerian. I just

(53:50):
but I'm going through like my own moutions are like
accepting it. And then I went through a lot of
angry phases about this. But you gonna try to discredit
who I am because of something you say? Hey, I
tell you you know what I'm saying. You ain't gonna
take it like you can't hear from the horse's mouth.
It wasn't really about defending anything. It's just like noah, yeah, yeah,

(54:11):
now what because like you ain't got this credit me Bro,
Like it's it's it's a couple of creators.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
They are like, it's the men be obsessed with me.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
They make videos about me all day every day and
it's like yeah, and I'll be like, it's free promoting.

Speaker 6 (54:28):
That just reacts to your content, even your old content.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
Yeah, it's loved though, because even fake pages like bro
they all promote me. My my they page is full
of my face. Once they refined the real thing we live.
But I think for me, it was just like clarifying,
like this ain't nothing I'm running away from, bro. And
that's the same time, it's like I was two days old. Bro,
I don't know them people. I don't know nothing about them.
I don't really desire to either. Your biologic Yeah, yeah,

(54:54):
well I heard stories.

Speaker 3 (54:56):

Speaker 4 (54:56):
I really don't like even my folks don't know. My
mama was swore the fuck secret. But then you find out,
like your mama having warm issues and stuff like that,
it's a miracle for her, bro to be able to
get a baby. So it's like, yeah, Bro, I'm not
tripping on that, you know what I mean. Like, whatever
them folks had going on, that was their arrangement.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
I was here. My folks raised me. Well, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
They had their own shortcomings and stuff, but I was
raising the household of love, and I learned so much
from my household, you know what I mean. And my
family taught me so much. It's like, I'm not discarding
that because I get some new information, you know what
I'm saying. I'm already in. I'm already whole, So I
don't really need to go looking for none. I don't
feel no for it, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (55:33):
You know, one stereo type they always say, they'll say
that light skinned black people are biracials, will be overly black,
overly revolutionary. Yeah, that's probably what they try to come in.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah they did. But it's like, yeah, I ain't never
know nothing about it. You know, I ain't know.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
I had nothing to compensate for, you know what I
mean in my neighborhood. But it's like being light skinned.
It's like I see life skin folks all the time.
I see mixed folks all the time. Like all I
know is this community. I ain't never really seen no difference.
But I understand, I can understand the psychology but trying behind,
trying to over compensate. But that just ain't my vibe.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
But the dog skinning brothers with boll heads that.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Hettle jump you in this mother he.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Almost hard art that feet don't touch the ground, you
know you're surrounded. See that's the thing too, is like
like it's it's like, you know, the funniest thing to
me is like, uh like when certain black men to
be like yeah, you know them them light skinning them
by racials like, Bro, you don't want to make it.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Bro, that's a fact. Stop sleeping with white women. You
gotta worry about.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Manout somewhere like.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Love you love, But like bro, like you you you know,
I ain't go out there like they be coming for
him on and I'll be.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Ready to cry, I'll be ready to fight off.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
But he'd be like, but.

Speaker 9 (56:59):
They's on line. But we come from a real place.
Like the nigga talks about my dog. I'm really slepting,
you know what I'm saying. So it would be loving person.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Yeah, loving person you don't want to picture, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Every single time, Like I think one of the biggest,
one of the biggest haters.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
I got like as to be on the podcast and
I just didn't respond the time.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Happened all the time.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Now you never never you up. We never talked about Cooper.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Nobody hate to question being that you don't know who
your biological parents are. Just ice scare you.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Matross my mind.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
We can jentlem if you.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
Want, you know, smoke crazy in the back outs on
the real web side that you know what the funniest
thing is Like when I was younger, you know, you
get the breasht cut. You know, won't we won't go
waves at junk. You know you really you're really struggling

(58:04):
to try to get some waves. I was like, man,
I ain't doing that. So, uh, my partners used to
joke with me, like when we was roast, they called
me dis broader your mixing a one time me and
my home boy had went we was like breaking in
cars and stuff, and I guess whatever the word got
like we was on foot. Now that's so stupid breaking
the car while you're on feet. But the police pulled
this over and they was like going at my partner

(58:26):
and it was like you you speak English. I was like, no,
it's not.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Like indimitably English, Nigga, the Kings English, the Queens work.

Speaker 7 (58:53):
Speaking of the love of the creator showed so much
love one of the podcasts he listened to it with
the cutting room floor. After talking about people that got
podcasts are not smart.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Said gross, You actually said podcasts are gross?

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Yeah, you feel me.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
It's love, bro, You know, we get a lot of love,
and that's what matter for real. Like you know when
people walk up, like even with Tyler knowing he just
don't like nothing.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
It's like, oh, that's love.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
But I think more than anything, when people walk up
and they're like, man, man, my son taught me to
listen to your podcast, And then on the opposite out side,
it's like man, my son, like, like my dad told
me to listen to you, Well, my mom taught me
to listen to Like it's intergenerational thing. I know we're
doing the right thing because, like what we're trying to
really do is bridge gaps. Like we got a lot

(59:41):
of gaps in our community around differences, but our experience
is extremely the same. And it's like, bro, you want
to let one little thing that you don't have in
common with a person separate you when all the other
experiences you can relate to, that's a little foolish. It's like,
you know, I ain't with no division. So if we
bridging gaps and it's like a family thing, you know,

(01:00:01):
folks watching this like me and my man watch this,
Me and my girlfriend wate this, Like, bro, that's the love.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
That's what we focus on. The love.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Yeah, I do. I got two more questions learn about
one bet right from I heard you talking about systems
and that we had Christopher Williams up here and he
was talking about that as well, and I feel the
same way. And I don't know we'll ever truly be
able to change the system. I don't even know if
that's a pessimistic mindset to have, but I do feel
like we can liberate ourselves with fitnesses, like that's really

(01:00:29):
the only way to be to achieve anything. Really.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
I think that's a lot about what like intersectionality is about.
It's like people want to tear down the dismount of
systems that for one, they really don't know how to work.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
They just know how they work against them.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
You know, they you know how how it feels to
be oppressed, but like you don't understand like the history
of these system how they was built and things like that.
So you know, you tear everything down, do you have
a community you can rely on? Do you like what
you're gonna do? Do you have the tools to rebuild it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
And I think because of like film and movie, we
think doing the gloom, we think mad Max, and we
think the world just gonna end and be anarchy. But
I think you know, within understanding, that's how you operate,
you know, like at work, anybody like Finesse, at work,
like Big K used to be finishing at the Mercedes beans. Bro,
He's to be like, he know, if I get this
amount of money, I could put that back in the

(01:01:20):
Jory and get that back to the company and the
rest I could pocket. He operating within the system, but
he benefited himself. It's like that, what do you folks do?
Like looking for me that.

Speaker 7 (01:01:37):
You don't.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
You know what I'm saying, But look, I think that
the bigger thing is this is just like you know,
I'll be telling my partners in the hour of time. Like, Bro,
if you shut your phone off for two weeks, you
ain't gonna know what's going on in the world, but
you'll know what's going on in your world.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
And like, so sometimes you gotta just focus on that part.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Like if we focus on like the big the big
picture of America all.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
The time, like that stretch you out. B.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
These folks have entire like corporations designed to push negative
media towards you every day. Like sometimes you gotta take
a break, like a lot of you know this this
all this technology is fairly new, so like and we
obsessed over it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
It's like, just take a break. B.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
It's like five bit you know, recoup, like because you
can't really be helpful to the community anyway if you're
not good with yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
We all got work to do.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
But you know, the bigger system, at largest system that
we've been fighting since we came here. So I think
continue to fight we seen which is white supremacis yeah, yeah, yeah,
and I think you know, and capitalism too. But I
think to continue that fight while also continue to like
embrace each other and strengthen our bond within our community.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
That's the most important part. You know. It's a it's
a we're gonna chip away out a little bit of
a time, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
My last question's something the podcast industry doesn't prepare creators.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Success.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
What jo Joe said, it ramp up, you know, Like
I think the biggest thing is too, it's like what
you're gonna do when it when it happened. But also
like it's gonna be days where you just like just
like a job, like you don't feel like it, but
you really got to tighten up and get to it
because now you've got an audience, you got people depend
on you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
It's like the thing is is like you don't want
them to go away.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
Yeah, just being consistent, and then I think podcasting in
general for us, it's shit easy.

Speaker 7 (01:03:33):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
We just being ourselves, you know what I'm saying, We
represent ourselves. So as long as I know, I ain't
I ain't hear faking the funk. I ain't got no gimmick,
you know what I'm saying. It's just like we being ourselves.
That's what makes it easy. But scheduling, staying on top
of the thing, building the team, finding the team, you
know what I'm saying, finding good people, getting over the
anxiety and feeling like everybody trying to take and still

(01:03:53):
you know, just be opportunistic. Like you know, it's a
lot of stuff that come with it, but you just
a day at the time for real. When you manage it,
you can.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
When you say success, you mean like the notoriety that
comes before the money. You say, you still work at
the airport.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
No, No, I was at I was at airport. Not
the notoriety, the part.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
It's the part where it's actually a functioning system, Like
we're making money out of this. We're feeding ourselves, we
feeding each other, We able to hire people, you know
what I'm saying, Things like that where it's like, oh shit,
I just was like driving truck. That was the easy part.
I knew my routes, I knew everything. Now I'm giving
people they routes, you know what I'm saying. And metaphorically,
but being being in charge, you know what I'm saying.

(01:04:32):
I want to be a leader one and I want
to be a boss, you know what I mean. But
leading by example is a tough thing to do too,
because everybody just see it as like, damn, you make
it look easier.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
It's like, well, you ain't gonna you ain't. You ain't
in the room me at three am, Like oh my god,
what the fuck have I got myself into? You know
what I'm saying. But it's real though.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
It's like and I think keeping the balance of like
you know what I'm saying, It's gonna be peaks and valleys,
but you just keep going.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
You know what I'm saying, to keep going for sure? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Well? Yeah, man, make sure y'all subscribe to the GRITCH today.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Thankful we go. Are you rappers out there? Get out
that booth.

Speaker 9 (01:05:04):
American needs plumbers, electricians, we need we need everything, h VAC.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Yeah, get that trade man.

Speaker 9 (01:05:12):
You know what I'm saying, The trade is what got
the podcast off the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
So go get that trade man, get some money. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
If you do got good music, we do got to
show that, Ben cause every Monday, new music, Monday coming
tapping with that, Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
We appreciate you having to make sure.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Y'all subscribe to the Grit to podcast. With the Grit
Podcast heavy man, I think y'all are very dope, very necessary,
and it's crazy. It's so early for y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Yeah, the best is really yet.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
That's that's gonna be a fun journey to watch. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
I appreciate only one who.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Listen, but y'alla, she's just.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
I really don't but.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Y'all, man, that's love, Thank you, Thank you all.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Kyle is the Grit and Eggs podcast Sir.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Every day a week

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Breakfast club finish for yar Dump

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

The Breakfast Club News

Follow Us On

Hosts And Creators

Charlamagne Tha God

DJ Envy

Jess Hilarious

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

Dateline NBC

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}INTERVIEW: 'Grits & Eggs' Podcast Talk Free Thought, Avoiding The Noise, Parenting + More