December 10, 2025 • 23 mins
Today on The Breakfast Club, Swayvo Twain On Losing His Parents; Angie Stone & D'Angelo, Music & Artistry, Questlove. Listen For More!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hold every day waiting breakfast club. You finish for y'all
done morning.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everybody is the DJ Envy just hilarious. Charlamagne and the guy.
We are the breakfast club on the Roses here as well.
We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed
we have suave old twins.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Welcome brother. How you feeling I'm feeling blessed man, feeling
blessed man. Thank you all for having now.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
For people that don't know you are the son of
Angie Stone and D'Angelo.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So first we just say, you know, sending.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And well wishes and everything. How you doing now?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
How you feeling? Man? Uh?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I thank you for the condulence, But man, they are
they're in a better place than me. Man. They ain't
paying no bills, no more good. They im good man.
Just taking the moment by moment for real.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Every day of a different day. It's different emotion, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah it it someday is better than others, for sure.
But we're still pushing, man, You still pushing.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
When I think about you, man, I think about you. You
know you had you had two you know, legends parents.
Right when did you first realize that that wasn't normal?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Uh? In school like kindergarten for real, Like I was
always type I ain't never really tell people in school,
like I just go to school and just be Mike.
But if I get in trouble or anything, and my
mama has to come up to the school like the
teacher be done, seek my parents, so she knows who
she is, but she gonna wait to in front of
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the whole class like such and such your mama, and
I might say yes, I might say no, and then
like the whole class or no, and then they're gonna
ask they mama, and its just be a whole little thing.
So yeah, that's why I realized that I was growing up.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Did you grow up?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I don't want to say normal because you had two
iconic stars where you always on the road.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I was growing up. No, it was it was uh
normal at times. So like in my earlier years, I
went with my MoMA like I was, you know, with Grandma.
So I'm saying column. It was South Carolina the three
to met for sure. And you know, my mama came
and got me from Columbia when I was about twelve
or thirteen, moved me to Atlanta. So when I first
(02:12):
moved to Atlanta that was like a super culture shocking,
like h yeah about out here got money, Like we
stayed right like two those now for pat Man Jones
and he was turned like so it was normal, but
I tried to be as normal as I could. But
then when people started figuring it out, it was just
doing extra stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You know, you went back to Columbia. Did you go
to usc on my trippn.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Nah N I go back to Columbia just to visit.
I probably got like a three day limit in Columbia.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
What's one lesson your father taught you about like artistry,
and then one lesson your mother taught you about discipline?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
My daddy, like we didn't never really We sometime we
would discuss like like music notes and music there, but
we didn't really discuss stuff like that. He really would
put me on like mindset, things like that's how you
need to be with your business. Is how you need
to be with your team, Like that's how you need
to be with your mental when you get overwhelmed things
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like that. And my mama, she ain't have to she
ain't have to show me nothing like I seen it.
Like my mama like she'll be in the hospital and
get out of the hospital that night and go to
go do the show, and nobody know. Wow, you know
what I'm saying. She was a real soldier gangster, so
she ain't have to say nothing. I was watching, I
was living it with her, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
And I saw your video that you're posted on your
Instagram and you just well, first of all, I just
want to say, why do you speak at their funerals?
You just there's still like such a joy there or
something that I didn't understand. I've never been through what
you've been through, but I don't know if you can
kind of like talk us through. When we're seeing you,
You're like making everybody laugh and do with your family
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and it's the push ups and y'all just having a
good time. I'm like, how is he able to, you know,
so do that for everybody in the situation he's in.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I mean, that's that's my personality. Like I'm not a complainer,
you know what I'm saying. I'm not like a woe
is Me guy, And I'm always trying to like bring
in the vibes, you know what I'm saying. So in
a moment like this, when everything be mor ofbid and dark,
like I'm gonna make everybody laugh, right, you know what
(04:24):
I'm saying, because that's how my mama was. Like she
was so funny, like she's the funny person, you know,
but she ain't telling no jokes, you know. So I
just I just always try to keep it light, man.
And you know, even at the funerals, like you know,
not for nothing. The funeral be for the living. They
don't be for the dead. They gone already. So you know,
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let's let's laugh and talk about the good times. It's not,
you know, as much as we can.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
You know what, it's interesting me I can tell how
much faith you have in God because you know, when
you first started the conversation, you said, I mean they're
in a better place, like if you're a true believer,
that's really the.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Really yeah nah this uh man? When when they when
they when they leave here? You you you really like,
as their son, I think I'm really seeing how much
they was actually shouldering on the day to day like,
you know, especially being the music being and my mama
didn't have been there since forever ago, and my dad
(05:23):
did the same thing, so you know. Ship from the
label to labor by the time you get the twenty
twenty five, the business be y' all messed up. You
know what I'm saying. You know, you you try to
fix it and work on it, but they just unfortunately
around out of time. So now you know, I'm fighting
that fight for him. So I think it's I'm like, damn,
y'all was doing this ship every day like this was
y'all was battling with and still going to work and
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still dealing with my shit on top of it. I
can't cut up, sorry, y'all, but yeah, man, they were.
They were some soldiers.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Man.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
What gave you the music?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I don't want say what gave you the music? But
but when did you say I want to start singing?
When did you know you had that?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You could say when I when I when I moved
to Atlanta and uh, seeing the rich kids or turned
they were. They were a little bit older than me,
and they had the hottest, the hottest thing in Atlanta,
I'm like, oh this was going on, and you know
I started I still was really running from me, but
maybe like I was fifteen sixteen, my mama bought a
whole studio set up for her in the house, and
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I ain't never use it. So I started going down
there recording myself, figuring it out, and before you know,
I did about fifty sixty songs I don't win and
play her something. She actually really loved it, you know
what I'm saying. So when she did that, she just
put the battery in my back and I was just
going hard from there.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
And what did your dad say about your music?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Because they said he's a He was a hard critique
when it came to music.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Nah, for sure, Like I'm not gonna lie to just
be real with you, My my daddy didn't really embrace
it and say go ahead and go crazy or something.
He didn't do that till after my mama passed. Really yeah,
like he ain't. He never really wanted me doing music
because everything he went through with the business, you know
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what I'm saying, He was like, son, I don't want
you any ship, you know what I'm saying. But it's like, man, pause,
I ain't. I ain't. Man, I'm gonna work in the wild,
Like I don't. I'm tired of the way side of
the car center like I'm cold, you know what I'm saying.
But as my mom passed, he really tapped in. He
was like very impressed, you know what, And that's all
(07:28):
I ever really wanted anyway, just just him here.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
How do you call about your own identity?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I still acknowledging the legacy you come from.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
That's that's been my batter all my life. But I
can't do nothing but be me. Like when you when
you hear my music, it's like you can hear them
in it, but it's still me. I'm doing a whole
different thing, and I ain't trying to battle them or
trying to live up to what they did. They already
did it. They done, went to the went to the mountain.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Tip.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I'm on my own journey, you know, say Twain, and
I can't. I can't run from who I am and
I ain't trying to. But I'm not trying to. I
can't compete with that, and I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Did you do records with them with your parents?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah? My mama last Albu, me and her. Me and
her got a song together. Me and my mama and
my sister Diamond, we have a song together that I'm released.
Me and my past never got to work together, though,
I think that's I like, no one regret we ain't
never get to do nothing. Yeah, me and my mom
for sure.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
I saw you also talk about the you know, the
time that you spent with your dad. It was like
a week or a couple of weeks that you guys
got to and just after your mom passed away, the
time that you guys are spending together, and you said
you finally saw your parents as just like people because
there was a lot of things that I guess you
had one way in your mind. And then when you
and your dad spent that time after your mom passed away,
you saw him so differently.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
So yeah, man, by her, you know, my dad, he
moved in a certain way.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
It was like and I used to always think you
just be an extra. But when we did my mother's funeral,
we had to repass and my dad was in the
city the whole day. So he hit me like some
I'm gonna put up and put up and pull up.
But he didn't. He didn't show up the whole funeral.
And then the whole repast happened here and showed up
eter So I'm like, man late again, you know what
(09:24):
I'm saying. But he pulled up like at the last
possible second, at the repast, and he came straight to
me and instead of my instead of my family in
South Carolina treat him like a regular person. Here for
the funeral, they all went mobbed him like you justin
bieb or something. Yeah, And I'm like, it's a lot
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of my family that did that. I don't follo them
to this day, you know what I'm saying, because it's like, man,
we just put my mom in the ground. So when
I seen that, I said, oh, wow, you understood. This
is why he this is why he you moving in
this type of a maunt because it's like he ain't
want to even make it about him. He just wanted
to be there for me.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You know what I'm saying, How did did you talk
to any of your family about that? And you just
like you know what actually.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Speaking, I don't want to talk. Yeah, I don't talk.
They showed their ass without one.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
He was dealing with cancer at that time, so.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
We ain't even I ain't ship looking back at the pictures,
it's like, yeah, he probably was, but I ain't even know,
Like I ain't had no idea, Like I ain't I
ain't never seen my daddy with a meant nothing. So
when they came to that situation, it was it just
it shocked there everybody. It definitely shocked me. I ain't.
I ain't never seen my daddy's sick or nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So you found out like the rest of the world.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Damn though, like down there, like I know, I knew,
I knew he was battling with it, but I didn't
know how bad it was.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Did you get a chance to, like, yeah, say you
could bothers and everything?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah? Man, spent the last down there, like the last
week together. You know, I was up there with him
and we was just just talking and laughing and listening
to music. And you know, I ain't I ain't really
wanted to want to see see me sad or nothing
like that. So I was just like, you know, we're
gonna vibe out. Me and my little brother, my little sister.
(11:15):
We always there. You know what I say.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
You don't got to answer this if you don't want
to do.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
What was your perspective, like knowing that you had just
lost your mom earlier this year and now you spending
your last moments with your did you even look at
it at last moments?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Uh? Yeah, yeah? And I knew why I was there.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
You know, but.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I don't know man, that I think that was just
in my mind. I'm like, man, this is just what's
going on in my life right now, like that, like
this what's going on. I definitely can't question God, you know,
but I'm gonna just take this. I'm gonna really take
this time and cherish you know what I'm saying. And
you know, I'm ama wipe my faith's up when I
started crying because I don't want him to start crying.
(12:04):
And you know, man, were in that were listening to
his music, were listening to Earth Wind and Fire, you know, like, yeah,
it looked at me one time he looked at me.
He like he looking at me, like, damn, son, I
see where you at in life?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Like you.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I remember when I was your age. I was I
was just getting ready to drop my second eye. Man,
I just seeing all the pressure that was on me.
I was like, I'm looking at you and like I
see you know what I'm saying. So I don't know
it was I was just being there, being in that moment.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Did you have a question in faith for that at all?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Question faith? No, I can't do that. I can't do
that cause I mean I don't know, you know the
age old saying, no stuff don't happen to you, happen
for you before you. You know what I'm saying. So
I just be going with the punches. Man. You know
it is what it is.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
And you have your song A duve Sore that is
a dedication to your mom and your dad. At what
point did you start writing that song, like after your
mom passed away? Like when were you okay enough to
try and put things in music in further with your show.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
It's crazy. I was in the studio making that song
probably about two days before I got the call about
my daddy. So when I was making originally making the song,
it wasn't even about it wasn't even about my dadd
is really about my mama the first part. But I
was getting writers block on it, so I did that.
(13:37):
Probably two days later, I got the call like needed
to clean like dots, like you to get your ass
up here. So I went up to New York, did that,
and it came back to Atlanta. I was working on it,
but I couldn't. I couldn't really come up with the words.
So after we did the funeral and I can't, I
came back like probably the night before I flew out
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to come back home after the funeral. I finally like
broke the writer's blocking, was able to finish the song.
So you know, yeah, man, that I don't really work
on that song for the last month for real.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Know, I'm saying you want to be signed or you
want to see independent a lot of family members that
business I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
So I'm just I'm glad you called him sir too. Man.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
He'd be forgetting he old, So thank you for the remind.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
But no, I'm not saying I'm not saying nobody. I definitely,
I definitely would like to do something off it if
it's the right situation. I just want to be with
the right people, you know whatever.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
That looks like I was gonna say, after everything your
parents went through with like the business side of it,
you probably have a little hesitation about you know, when
deals is coming your way. YEA, yeah, of course.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
You know. I'm I've been watching and learning and being
a student, so you know, I definitely want to do
things the right way for sure. But yeah, man, when
when that time comes, you know, I believe I'm ready
for that.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Do you have to with as far as the state
is concerned. Do you handle the estate making sure because
I'm sure people are trying to clear records.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah. So so on my father's side, I'm I'm you know,
it's it's it's very fresh, so I'm not really sure.
But as far as my mother, I'm the executive, so
you know, I'm you know, me and the team we
handle letting everything.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Is it true that I saw a quest Love say
that the Angelo album is coming.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
That's what he said. You know, me and me and
me and quest Love, we ain't really we ain't. We
ain't really talk about no music like Big Brothers hitting
me on some man type of time and life, just
checking on me like man. And he was telling me
how he was feeling. So you know, I appreciate him
reaching out like that. Man. I heard some of my
(16:00):
me and my dad at the end, we started trading music,
so I heard some of the stuff he got.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
It it's crazy to his new stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And yeah, like the thing that quit Love said like
it's for the past but for the future, like I
probably couldn't have described it no no better. It's hard,
and you know, I would definitely love to be a
part of.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Yeah, and you said on your song you say, I know.
God had a chuckle when I told him my plans. Yeah,
man's man, what were your original plans?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Definitely definitely wouldn't go into two funerals this year. Uh
but uh noah, I was. I was getting so my
mama passed the morning after my birthday twenty you know,
she got a show on my birthday. And you know,
for the last year or two, I've been opening up
for my mom on the show. So I usually go
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with her just to make sure she good first of all,
you know, but for some reason, she just didn't want
me to come to this one. You know, she told
you that. Yeah, I know, like right before she left,
she like, son, you got your own career, you're getting
ready to do your rollout. You don't need to come
to this, you know, just stay home. And I'm like, man,
(17:15):
you sure, and she like, no, I'm positive. But she
made me come to all the rehearsals for the show.
But the day before she like, no, I don't want
you to come. And you know, at the time in
marsh my pr right here will tell you like I
had a whole album done roll out, you know, I
you know, got my little budget together and I was
getting ready to do that, and then the morning after
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everything changed. So that's where that lyric comes from, Like
I had a plan, but God had something different. Like, nah,
then what you thinking? It ain't even about to be that, brother.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Because you'd have been on you'd have been on the
bus with her. Yeah, man, yeah, yeah, man.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
What's one conversation with your with your dad and mom
that changed your direction in life?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Not even just musically, just as a man.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Man, my daddy. My daddy said to me one day,
He's like, son, you gotta choose your piece over everything.
You know. I think it was a point in my
life where I was just being poored in so many
different ways, and you know, it was it was it
was joining me. Like, you know, my mama been dealing with,
you know, her health, and I've been essentially like a
(18:27):
caretaker for her for the last four or five years.
You know, people didn't know that, and you know she
did a good job of hiding it, but you know,
there was a lot of serious situations and you know
I had to, you know, sacrifice a lot, you know,
and I'll do it again, you know, because that's my mama.
I know she'll do it for me. But you know, Yeah.
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I was just talking to my dad and he was like, man,
you know you you do what you do for your mama,
but all the rest of that, man, you gotta choose
your piece over everything. And I really started implementing that
and help me a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
You did a couple of your dad's songs over Yeah,
that has to be nerve wracking, like because you know
people gonna compare.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, so you do you play.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
To do some more on your new music?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Is it's something that you've been iron Uh?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Man, I ain't never really want to do it in
the first place. Man, my mama made me do that.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
She made this.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, she made me do it, like she been saying
I have to do it for years. So when I
redid SDM, she was in the studio with me, like
right after I find record, she started crying. She's like,
why you finally did it? So well? I do it again?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I don't know, maybe or you do the how does
it feel video over there?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah? For sure? Man.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Yeah, man, I was gonna ask, what do you think
your mom's a lesson for you? And that was like,
what was she trying to teach you by making?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Man? My mama is Encyclopedia when it comes to samples,
like if you the long way you talk to her,
is likely she going to tell you something simple. And
you know, it was a lesson in it because if
it worked before, it will work again, you know. And
she implemented that in her career. So she was like, son,
(20:14):
it's gonna work. I ain't got no choice but to work. So,
you know, independent ground, man. You got to front your
own money. Man, So I ain't had a gas to
really make it go chart, but you know, my little
independent budget.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Man.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You know, I definitely made some nod with it. So
I was proud of that.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I just figured out where I've seen you before. Man,
you had dreads before for sure as an artist. Now
I remember, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Why do you cut your dress?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Just different styles just changed, man.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, after after that funeral, after Mabas, I cut them,
but shit, I got tired of they were getting too heavy.
You know, you be in you be in the bed,
you think something crowding on you. You're like, man, my hair,
like manya them'm in the pool doing all others Like nah, man,
I cut it off.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Do you really really really love music?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Man? For sure? That's that's that's what that's what's getting
me through right now. Like if I ain't, if I
ain't creating, man, I'm I'm I'm losing. That's how I feel,
you know what I'm saying. So the music definitely therapy
for me right now. And it's like that was a
point of connection for my mom and my part just
be real, like you know, were connected through the music. Man,
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you know, even you know my you know, my daddy, Man,
he really, he really was tapped in to a lot
of a lot of the new artists, like you know
what I'm saying. He loved the Migos. He he you know,
like you heard a new Ice Spice like just people SI,
you wouldn't even know that he was tapped into it.
And my mama she like before she passed, man, she
(21:47):
was she waked me up three in the morning. She
in the room writing a new right right in a
new rap to ghost Face Killer, like you know what
I'm saying. Like she was, she still had that fire
to to the end. You know. So I love this shit.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
What do you think your purpose is as an artist
beyond entertainment?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
That's a good question. I'm I'm here to help people, man,
I'm here to be a vessel man, you know, like
and you know, you know we're from Columbia. Man, people
don't make it where we come from. And it's like
it's a mindset of you're not gonna make it, Like
somethings gonna happen before you get to where you're supposed
(22:29):
to get to. Man, So I want to I want
to use the music as a vehicle to definitely like
go back and help people for so.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Ten years from now, what do you want people to
say about you that has nothing to do with your parents.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I just want to want people to say that I
was a genie with guy, or I helped them in
some type of way, or you know, a lot of
people being hitting me like throughout this process, like man,
I don't know how you doing it? And I'm like, man,
I ask it. I ain't. I ain't doing nothing but
a whole lot of crying and praying. Like if I
if you know, if I could be a if you
(23:05):
can look at me and think you can get through
because I'm getting through, then you know what I'm saying,
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Let's get on your record.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Man introduced the record to the world.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Wow, uh, this is swave WoT Twain Man when Doug
saw you know, exclusive right here at the Breakfast Club
Man dedicated to my mother and father. Man, y'all checked
it out right there you have it, swave O Twain.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Every day waiting pass up the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Do y'all finished or y'all done
Hold every day waiting breakfast club. You finish for y'all
done morning.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everybody is the DJ Envy just hilarious. Charlamagne and the guy.
We are the breakfast club on the Roses here as well.
We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed
we have suave old twins.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Welcome brother. How you feeling I'm feeling blessed man, feeling
blessed man. Thank you all for having now.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
For people that don't know you are the son of
Angie Stone and D'Angelo.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So first we just say, you know, sending.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
And well wishes and everything. How you doing now?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
How you feeling? Man? Uh?
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I thank you for the condulence, But man, they are
they're in a better place than me. Man. They ain't
paying no bills, no more good. They im good man.
Just taking the moment by moment for real.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Every day of a different day. It's different emotion, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah it it someday is better than others, for sure.
But we're still pushing, man, You still pushing.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
When I think about you, man, I think about you. You
know you had you had two you know, legends parents.
Right when did you first realize that that wasn't normal?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Uh? In school like kindergarten for real, Like I was
always type I ain't never really tell people in school,
like I just go to school and just be Mike.
But if I get in trouble or anything, and my
mama has to come up to the school like the
teacher be done, seek my parents, so she knows who
she is, but she gonna wait to in front of
(01:27):
the whole class like such and such your mama, and
I might say yes, I might say no, and then
like the whole class or no, and then they're gonna
ask they mama, and its just be a whole little thing.
So yeah, that's why I realized that I was growing up.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Did you grow up?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I don't want to say normal because you had two
iconic stars where you always on the road.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I was growing up. No, it was it was uh
normal at times. So like in my earlier years, I
went with my MoMA like I was, you know, with Grandma.
So I'm saying column. It was South Carolina the three
to met for sure. And you know, my mama came
and got me from Columbia when I was about twelve
or thirteen, moved me to Atlanta. So when I first
(02:12):
moved to Atlanta that was like a super culture shocking,
like h yeah about out here got money, Like we
stayed right like two those now for pat Man Jones
and he was turned like so it was normal, but
I tried to be as normal as I could. But
then when people started figuring it out, it was just
doing extra stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You know, you went back to Columbia. Did you go
to usc on my trippn.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Nah N I go back to Columbia just to visit.
I probably got like a three day limit in Columbia.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
What's one lesson your father taught you about like artistry,
and then one lesson your mother taught you about discipline?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
My daddy, like we didn't never really We sometime we
would discuss like like music notes and music there, but
we didn't really discuss stuff like that. He really would
put me on like mindset, things like that's how you
need to be with your business. Is how you need
to be with your team, Like that's how you need
to be with your mental when you get overwhelmed things
(03:12):
like that. And my mama, she ain't have to she
ain't have to show me nothing like I seen it.
Like my mama like she'll be in the hospital and
get out of the hospital that night and go to
go do the show, and nobody know. Wow, you know
what I'm saying. She was a real soldier gangster, so
she ain't have to say nothing. I was watching, I
was living it with her, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
And I saw your video that you're posted on your
Instagram and you just well, first of all, I just
want to say, why do you speak at their funerals?
You just there's still like such a joy there or
something that I didn't understand. I've never been through what
you've been through, but I don't know if you can
kind of like talk us through. When we're seeing you,
You're like making everybody laugh and do with your family
(03:55):
and it's the push ups and y'all just having a
good time. I'm like, how is he able to, you know,
so do that for everybody in the situation he's in.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I mean, that's that's my personality. Like I'm not a complainer,
you know what I'm saying. I'm not like a woe
is Me guy, And I'm always trying to like bring
in the vibes, you know what I'm saying. So in
a moment like this, when everything be mor ofbid and dark,
like I'm gonna make everybody laugh, right, you know what
(04:24):
I'm saying, because that's how my mama was. Like she
was so funny, like she's the funny person, you know,
but she ain't telling no jokes, you know. So I
just I just always try to keep it light, man.
And you know, even at the funerals, like you know,
not for nothing. The funeral be for the living. They
don't be for the dead. They gone already. So you know,
(04:45):
let's let's laugh and talk about the good times. It's not,
you know, as much as we can.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
You know what, it's interesting me I can tell how
much faith you have in God because you know, when
you first started the conversation, you said, I mean they're
in a better place, like if you're a true believer,
that's really the.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Really yeah nah this uh man? When when they when
they when they leave here? You you you really like,
as their son, I think I'm really seeing how much
they was actually shouldering on the day to day like,
you know, especially being the music being and my mama
didn't have been there since forever ago, and my dad
(05:23):
did the same thing, so you know. Ship from the
label to labor by the time you get the twenty
twenty five, the business be y' all messed up. You
know what I'm saying. You know, you you try to
fix it and work on it, but they just unfortunately
around out of time. So now you know, I'm fighting
that fight for him. So I think it's I'm like, damn,
y'all was doing this ship every day like this was
y'all was battling with and still going to work and
(05:45):
still dealing with my shit on top of it. I
can't cut up, sorry, y'all, but yeah, man, they were.
They were some soldiers.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Man.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
What gave you the music?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I don't want say what gave you the music? But
but when did you say I want to start singing?
When did you know you had that?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You could say when I when I when I moved
to Atlanta and uh, seeing the rich kids or turned
they were. They were a little bit older than me,
and they had the hottest, the hottest thing in Atlanta,
I'm like, oh this was going on, and you know
I started I still was really running from me, but
maybe like I was fifteen sixteen, my mama bought a
whole studio set up for her in the house, and
(06:22):
I ain't never use it. So I started going down
there recording myself, figuring it out, and before you know,
I did about fifty sixty songs I don't win and
play her something. She actually really loved it, you know
what I'm saying. So when she did that, she just
put the battery in my back and I was just
going hard from there.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
And what did your dad say about your music?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Because they said he's a He was a hard critique
when it came to music.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Nah, for sure, Like I'm not gonna lie to just
be real with you, My my daddy didn't really embrace
it and say go ahead and go crazy or something.
He didn't do that till after my mama passed. Really yeah,
like he ain't. He never really wanted me doing music
because everything he went through with the business, you know
(07:06):
what I'm saying, He was like, son, I don't want
you any ship, you know what I'm saying. But it's like, man, pause,
I ain't. I ain't. Man, I'm gonna work in the wild,
Like I don't. I'm tired of the way side of
the car center like I'm cold, you know what I'm saying.
But as my mom passed, he really tapped in. He
was like very impressed, you know what, And that's all
(07:28):
I ever really wanted anyway, just just him here.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
How do you call about your own identity?
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I still acknowledging the legacy you come from.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
That's that's been my batter all my life. But I
can't do nothing but be me. Like when you when
you hear my music, it's like you can hear them
in it, but it's still me. I'm doing a whole
different thing, and I ain't trying to battle them or
trying to live up to what they did. They already
did it. They done, went to the went to the mountain.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Tip.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I'm on my own journey, you know, say Twain, and
I can't. I can't run from who I am and
I ain't trying to. But I'm not trying to. I
can't compete with that, and I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Did you do records with them with your parents?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah? My mama last Albu, me and her. Me and
her got a song together. Me and my mama and
my sister Diamond, we have a song together that I'm released.
Me and my past never got to work together, though,
I think that's I like, no one regret we ain't
never get to do nothing. Yeah, me and my mom
for sure.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
I saw you also talk about the you know, the
time that you spent with your dad. It was like
a week or a couple of weeks that you guys
got to and just after your mom passed away, the
time that you guys are spending together, and you said
you finally saw your parents as just like people because
there was a lot of things that I guess you
had one way in your mind. And then when you
and your dad spent that time after your mom passed away,
you saw him so differently.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
So yeah, man, by her, you know, my dad, he
moved in a certain way.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
It was like and I used to always think you
just be an extra. But when we did my mother's funeral,
we had to repass and my dad was in the
city the whole day. So he hit me like some
I'm gonna put up and put up and pull up.
But he didn't. He didn't show up the whole funeral.
And then the whole repast happened here and showed up
eter So I'm like, man late again, you know what
(09:24):
I'm saying. But he pulled up like at the last
possible second, at the repast, and he came straight to
me and instead of my instead of my family in
South Carolina treat him like a regular person. Here for
the funeral, they all went mobbed him like you justin
bieb or something. Yeah, And I'm like, it's a lot
(09:48):
of my family that did that. I don't follo them
to this day, you know what I'm saying, because it's like, man,
we just put my mom in the ground. So when
I seen that, I said, oh, wow, you understood. This
is why he this is why he you moving in
this type of a maunt because it's like he ain't
want to even make it about him. He just wanted
to be there for me.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You know what I'm saying, How did did you talk
to any of your family about that? And you just
like you know what actually.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Speaking, I don't want to talk. Yeah, I don't talk.
They showed their ass without one.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
He was dealing with cancer at that time, so.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
We ain't even I ain't ship looking back at the pictures,
it's like, yeah, he probably was, but I ain't even know,
Like I ain't had no idea, Like I ain't I
ain't never seen my daddy with a meant nothing. So
when they came to that situation, it was it just
it shocked there everybody. It definitely shocked me. I ain't.
I ain't never seen my daddy's sick or nothing.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So you found out like the rest of the world.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Damn though, like down there, like I know, I knew,
I knew he was battling with it, but I didn't
know how bad it was.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Did you get a chance to, like, yeah, say you
could bothers and everything?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah? Man, spent the last down there, like the last
week together. You know, I was up there with him
and we was just just talking and laughing and listening
to music. And you know, I ain't I ain't really
wanted to want to see see me sad or nothing
like that. So I was just like, you know, we're
gonna vibe out. Me and my little brother, my little sister.
(11:15):
We always there. You know what I say.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
You don't got to answer this if you don't want
to do.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
What was your perspective, like knowing that you had just
lost your mom earlier this year and now you spending
your last moments with your did you even look at
it at last moments?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Uh? Yeah, yeah? And I knew why I was there.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
You know, but.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I don't know man, that I think that was just
in my mind. I'm like, man, this is just what's
going on in my life right now, like that, like
this what's going on. I definitely can't question God, you know,
but I'm gonna just take this. I'm gonna really take
this time and cherish you know what I'm saying. And
you know, I'm ama wipe my faith's up when I
started crying because I don't want him to start crying.
(12:04):
And you know, man, were in that were listening to
his music, were listening to Earth Wind and Fire, you know, like, yeah,
it looked at me one time he looked at me.
He like he looking at me, like, damn, son, I
see where you at in life?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Like you.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I remember when I was your age. I was I
was just getting ready to drop my second eye. Man,
I just seeing all the pressure that was on me.
I was like, I'm looking at you and like I
see you know what I'm saying. So I don't know
it was I was just being there, being in that moment.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Did you have a question in faith for that at all?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Question faith? No, I can't do that. I can't do
that cause I mean I don't know, you know the
age old saying, no stuff don't happen to you, happen
for you before you. You know what I'm saying. So
I just be going with the punches. Man. You know
it is what it is.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
And you have your song A duve Sore that is
a dedication to your mom and your dad. At what
point did you start writing that song, like after your
mom passed away? Like when were you okay enough to
try and put things in music in further with your show.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
It's crazy. I was in the studio making that song
probably about two days before I got the call about
my daddy. So when I was making originally making the song,
it wasn't even about it wasn't even about my dadd
is really about my mama the first part. But I
was getting writers block on it, so I did that.
(13:37):
Probably two days later, I got the call like needed
to clean like dots, like you to get your ass
up here. So I went up to New York, did that,
and it came back to Atlanta. I was working on it,
but I couldn't. I couldn't really come up with the words.
So after we did the funeral and I can't, I
came back like probably the night before I flew out
(14:00):
to come back home after the funeral. I finally like
broke the writer's blocking, was able to finish the song.
So you know, yeah, man, that I don't really work
on that song for the last month for real.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Know, I'm saying you want to be signed or you
want to see independent a lot of family members that
business I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
So I'm just I'm glad you called him sir too. Man.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
He'd be forgetting he old, So thank you for the remind.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
But no, I'm not saying I'm not saying nobody. I definitely,
I definitely would like to do something off it if
it's the right situation. I just want to be with
the right people, you know whatever.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
That looks like I was gonna say, after everything your
parents went through with like the business side of it,
you probably have a little hesitation about you know, when
deals is coming your way. YEA, yeah, of course.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
You know. I'm I've been watching and learning and being
a student, so you know, I definitely want to do
things the right way for sure. But yeah, man, when
when that time comes, you know, I believe I'm ready
for that.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Do you have to with as far as the state
is concerned. Do you handle the estate making sure because
I'm sure people are trying to clear records.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah. So so on my father's side, I'm I'm you know,
it's it's it's very fresh, so I'm not really sure.
But as far as my mother, I'm the executive, so
you know, I'm you know, me and the team we
handle letting everything.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Is it true that I saw a quest Love say
that the Angelo album is coming.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
That's what he said. You know, me and me and
me and quest Love, we ain't really we ain't. We
ain't really talk about no music like Big Brothers hitting
me on some man type of time and life, just
checking on me like man. And he was telling me
how he was feeling. So you know, I appreciate him
reaching out like that. Man. I heard some of my
(16:00):
me and my dad at the end, we started trading music,
so I heard some of the stuff he got.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
It it's crazy to his new stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And yeah, like the thing that quit Love said like
it's for the past but for the future, like I
probably couldn't have described it no no better. It's hard,
and you know, I would definitely love to be a
part of.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Yeah, and you said on your song you say, I know.
God had a chuckle when I told him my plans. Yeah,
man's man, what were your original plans?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Definitely definitely wouldn't go into two funerals this year. Uh
but uh noah, I was. I was getting so my
mama passed the morning after my birthday twenty you know,
she got a show on my birthday. And you know,
for the last year or two, I've been opening up
for my mom on the show. So I usually go
(16:53):
with her just to make sure she good first of all,
you know, but for some reason, she just didn't want
me to come to this one. You know, she told
you that. Yeah, I know, like right before she left,
she like, son, you got your own career, you're getting
ready to do your rollout. You don't need to come
to this, you know, just stay home. And I'm like, man,
(17:15):
you sure, and she like, no, I'm positive. But she
made me come to all the rehearsals for the show.
But the day before she like, no, I don't want
you to come. And you know, at the time in
marsh my pr right here will tell you like I
had a whole album done roll out, you know, I
you know, got my little budget together and I was
getting ready to do that, and then the morning after
(17:38):
everything changed. So that's where that lyric comes from, Like
I had a plan, but God had something different. Like, nah,
then what you thinking? It ain't even about to be that, brother.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Because you'd have been on you'd have been on the
bus with her. Yeah, man, yeah, yeah, man.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
What's one conversation with your with your dad and mom
that changed your direction in life?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Not even just musically, just as a man.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Man, my daddy. My daddy said to me one day,
He's like, son, you gotta choose your piece over everything.
You know. I think it was a point in my
life where I was just being poored in so many
different ways, and you know, it was it was it
was joining me. Like, you know, my mama been dealing with,
you know, her health, and I've been essentially like a
(18:27):
caretaker for her for the last four or five years.
You know, people didn't know that, and you know she
did a good job of hiding it, but you know,
there was a lot of serious situations and you know
I had to, you know, sacrifice a lot, you know,
and I'll do it again, you know, because that's my mama.
I know she'll do it for me. But you know, Yeah.
(18:52):
I was just talking to my dad and he was like, man,
you know you you do what you do for your mama,
but all the rest of that, man, you gotta choose
your piece over everything. And I really started implementing that
and help me a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
You did a couple of your dad's songs over Yeah,
that has to be nerve wracking, like because you know
people gonna compare.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, so you do you play.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
To do some more on your new music?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Is it's something that you've been iron Uh?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Man, I ain't never really want to do it in
the first place. Man, my mama made me do that.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
She made this.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, she made me do it, like she been saying
I have to do it for years. So when I
redid SDM, she was in the studio with me, like
right after I find record, she started crying. She's like,
why you finally did it? So well? I do it again?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I don't know, maybe or you do the how does
it feel video over there?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah? For sure? Man.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Yeah, man, I was gonna ask, what do you think
your mom's a lesson for you? And that was like,
what was she trying to teach you by making?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Man? My mama is Encyclopedia when it comes to samples,
like if you the long way you talk to her,
is likely she going to tell you something simple. And
you know, it was a lesson in it because if
it worked before, it will work again, you know. And
she implemented that in her career. So she was like, son,
(20:14):
it's gonna work. I ain't got no choice but to work. So,
you know, independent ground, man. You got to front your
own money. Man, So I ain't had a gas to
really make it go chart, but you know, my little
independent budget.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Man.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You know, I definitely made some nod with it. So
I was proud of that.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I just figured out where I've seen you before. Man,
you had dreads before for sure as an artist. Now
I remember, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Why do you cut your dress?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Just different styles just changed, man.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, after after that funeral, after Mabas, I cut them,
but shit, I got tired of they were getting too heavy.
You know, you be in you be in the bed,
you think something crowding on you. You're like, man, my hair,
like manya them'm in the pool doing all others Like nah, man,
I cut it off.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Do you really really really love music?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Man? For sure? That's that's that's what that's what's getting
me through right now. Like if I ain't, if I
ain't creating, man, I'm I'm I'm losing. That's how I feel,
you know what I'm saying. So the music definitely therapy
for me right now. And it's like that was a
point of connection for my mom and my part just
be real, like you know, were connected through the music. Man,
(21:25):
you know, even you know my you know, my daddy, Man,
he really, he really was tapped in to a lot
of a lot of the new artists, like you know
what I'm saying. He loved the Migos. He he you know,
like you heard a new Ice Spice like just people SI,
you wouldn't even know that he was tapped into it.
And my mama she like before she passed, man, she
(21:47):
was she waked me up three in the morning. She
in the room writing a new right right in a
new rap to ghost Face Killer, like you know what
I'm saying. Like she was, she still had that fire
to to the end. You know. So I love this shit.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
What do you think your purpose is as an artist
beyond entertainment?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
That's a good question. I'm I'm here to help people, man,
I'm here to be a vessel man, you know, like
and you know, you know we're from Columbia. Man, people
don't make it where we come from. And it's like
it's a mindset of you're not gonna make it, Like
somethings gonna happen before you get to where you're supposed
(22:29):
to get to. Man, So I want to I want
to use the music as a vehicle to definitely like
go back and help people for so.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Ten years from now, what do you want people to
say about you that has nothing to do with your parents.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I just want to want people to say that I
was a genie with guy, or I helped them in
some type of way, or you know, a lot of
people being hitting me like throughout this process, like man,
I don't know how you doing it? And I'm like, man,
I ask it. I ain't. I ain't doing nothing but
a whole lot of crying and praying. Like if I
if you know, if I could be a if you
(23:05):
can look at me and think you can get through
because I'm getting through, then you know what I'm saying,
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Let's get on your record.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Man introduced the record to the world.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Wow, uh, this is swave WoT Twain Man when Doug
saw you know, exclusive right here at the Breakfast Club
Man dedicated to my mother and father. Man, y'all checked
it out right there you have it, swave O Twain.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Every day waiting pass up the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by Audiochuck Media Company.
The Brothers Ortiz
The Brothers Ortiz is the story of two brothers–both successful, but in very different ways. Gabe Ortiz becomes a third-highest ranking officer in all of Texas while his younger brother Larry climbs the ranks in Puro Tango Blast, a notorious Texas Prison gang. Gabe doesn’t know all the details of his brother’s nefarious dealings, and he’s made a point not to ask, to protect their relationship. But when Larry is murdered during a home invasion in a rented beach house, Gabe has no choice but to look into what happened that night. To solve Larry’s murder, Gabe, and the whole Ortiz family, must ask each other tough questions.