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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day a week clicks up the Breakfast Club. I'm
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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We are the Breakfast Club, Lawn the Roses here as well.
We got a special guests in.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
The buildings man Jesus in the building.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Welcome, top of the tib whatever.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Morning.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
How you feeling man? Amazing?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, we haven't seen the show yet. We we schedule
to go out and see the show, but it looks
amazing so much. So how does it feel putting on
your own production, doing your own show, handling expenses, profits, losses?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
How did that feel? That's that's different. I mean, you
know my former job are handling expenses, okay, putting together
my own show. I mean, you know, I just think
the culture kind of got caught up in hustling and
we forgot about the all form, you know what I mean.
So we'll just running around get money, and it just
(01:00):
got redundant. Man, you know what I'm saying. I love
what I do and I was just like, I just
wanted to do something great for culture, for our people.
Like I feel like when people spend their money, they
should see they should have an experience. You know what
I mean. Time people came to the show and saw
me with a microphone. You know what I'm saying. Shout
out to DJs. You know he's the greatest. But what
we do, brother, so me and DJ can do alone.
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And Las Vegas to me is like you know, it's Sinatra,
you know what I mean. And it's just like when
you're on that stage and you in Las Vegas. That's special.
But especially for it to be black tie, you know
what I'm saying, because I feel like we as adults
and the people that you know made it to the
other side, we deserve to be able to go take
(01:44):
our you know, our spouse person, enjoy his show, look nice,
make it a weekend. Like you said, go pull up
on Mary, pull up on Jezus right, and enjoy yourself
and not worry about stepping on nobody's shoe. You know
what I'm saying. And if you do, it might be
a red bottom and usual. You know what I'm saying.
You know we're supposed to be there. But to answer
(02:05):
your question, man, this is probably the greatest It's probably
the greatest season in my career. You know what I'm saying,
because I'm able to express myself, I'm able to put
something together that's special, you know what I'm saying. Even
you know, my peers, you know, are very impressed what's
going on because it took you know, some risk, you
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know what I'm saying, and some and like you said,
some privacy and losses. But at the end of the day,
it's all worth it us for culture. And you know,
if you start seeing the legend of the snow man,
they got to be legend there. You can't even play
with that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So do you prefer a residency overturn right now?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
In my life? Yeah, you know what I'm saying, because
you know, with a residency is it's so you can
put together this this ecosystem of this atmosphere and it's
your atmosphere, you know what I'm saying. And people travel,
you know, it just it's more of an experience than
me coming to your town and just popping out. You
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know what I'm saying. It comes to your town, you
pop out. You know, we've been doing that for decades.
But it's just like when you get somebody from Memphis
to come all the way to Vegas. You know, get
a tucks, you know what I'm saying, and pay and
enjoy themselves. And it's dope because even like the club
vision experience to me is like with DJ Drama DJ
A's and that's something I really want to do because
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that's something I had to fight for and you know
you can't you just coming to Atlanta back in eight
you know, you know what that was like club visions,
but just hearing that nostalgic music that you grew up
on from two of the best DJs. You see these
grown people in that dancing. Man, I'm in a good time,
you know what I'm saying. Before the show even stars. Yeah,
it's a different era you grew up on, and to me,
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that's all a part of the experience, you know what
I'm saying. And to answer your question absolutely, when I
think about residencies, you know, and me and Celo was
talking about this the other day, it was just like,
you know a lot of people feel like that's where
artists go to die Vegas. That's not true. That's what
they told us because they didn't want us out there,
and that's why I wanted to get out there, you
know what I'm saying. On my own dime on my
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own time, because I know they didn't want us out there.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I was thinking about this the other day. Could artists
do a residency in their hometown?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Meaning absolutely?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Did you do in Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Absolutely not?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And why not?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Because it's it's people. Could I could do birthday bads?
It's about it, you know what I'm saying. One night,
You know what I'm saying. It ain't like that because
you know, you home and most of them cats go
to see you somewhere on the weekend, you know, if
it's just at a restaurant or something. So they're like, yeah,
we you know, we pull up on them one time,
but nobody's coming to that, you know. And I thought
(04:40):
about that before. You know what I'm saying. And but
Las Vegas is a destination, you know what I'm saying.
Atlanta used to be a destination. I hope they own
you know what I'm saying. Them take that the wrong way,
But Atlanta used to be Atlanta. You came to Atlanta,
you stay, you know, you come to Atlanta for you know,
a weekend, you end up staying six months. You know
what I'm saying. It ain't like that no more.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, what do you think is the best era of Jeez?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Being that you've been out here doing these residencies and
you see how people respond to different parts of your catalog,
what's the best era of Jez's music?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I think five when it dropped and now because it's
refined and I mean that, you know what I'm saying,
like even in my spirit, like how I kick it,
It's refined and I'm focused and I enjoy it, and
five is the last time I enjoyed it, you know
what I'm saying. Everything in between it was kind of
a blur, if you know what I mean. Like five
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in the beginning, when it was new, it was fresh,
and you know, fast forward to you know, twenty twenty six,
it feels new and fresh again. You know what I'm
saying when you're looking at those faces and people actually
coming there and enjoying themselves because you know, it's been
you know, in between. You know, I don't really know
if people enjoyed shows. I think they came, you know
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what I'm saying. I think they showed up, but I
don't think they enjoyed it, you know what I'm saying.
On how it was when Hoping was doing Summer jam
like that was different, you know than probably a show somewhere.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Now.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
You know what I'm saying as a GZ connoisseur, as
a person who has GZ is one of their favorite
rappers of all time.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I received that, I got a top seven. I don't
want to actually what number one, man, but I received.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Them no more.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
But I don't think any one of them could be
my number one and any given moment.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
So for me, it's jay Z, Nas, scar Face, t I,
g Z, Killer Mike, and ghost Face.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
That's my seven fact.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
But I feel like that Recession era and that TM
one on three era, especially the one on three era
very slept on.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, so you get into.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
That, well, Recession to me was my best album. I
would agree, you know what I'm saying, that's when I
really wrote TM one on three. I think it took me.
It took me almost three years right there. Not because
it wasn't done, because I just was trying to make
something perfect and I learned very quickly perfection ain't the way.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
But you got some that's a class forgot.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Talk about wading Yeah, you know, way too gone way
to the joint.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
With Trick Daddy. I used to have nothing whole. There's
some joints on that man.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
But that's the that's the beauty of you know, the residency.
You get to hear all that.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
How do you decide what what songs you perform?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Because you gotta.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
So what makes the residency dope is it's almost like
a So it feels like a player, if you will,
because it's acts sack, you know, it's three acts. You know,
the man, the myth, the legend, and that's how you
break up the songs. And it's dope because it's just
like you know, you would think way too gone would
be a legend, but it's not the myth.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I'm saying, Yeah, how did you come up with those
three categories? Man?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
It's the truth? No man, Yeah, the man, the myth,
the legend. And this is the thing. It all reverted
back the man, the myth, the legends. So the soul
starts off with the man because that's who I am,
that's who I evolved. You you know what I'm saying.
So it's just like, you know, then you get to
break it down. The myth was when he was trying
to figure it out, and the legend ones when he
(08:05):
came out the box. You know what I mean, trap
or die? Uh you know, uh, get your mind right,
you know what I mean that time.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
So we're going we're going backwards. You gotta give me
some track. What's the man track?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Let's give me just a couple of don't give up,
you go ahead, but put.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
It his way. It used to have nothing in the man.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Okay, okay, okay. And then the myth is what recession?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It's different? Is you gotta you gotta come see it.
And I need a real review when you come back
to the show, can break the down you know what,
I'm from him?
Speaker 6 (08:39):
And even though like when you first rolled out all
of the residency and like it was very cinematic and
there's a lot of storytelling. I mean, you've been a
storyteller through your music, but now I feel like we're
also just getting you, like hearing you talk interviews, share
your story.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
What's been freeing for you about being able to do
that in this area.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Your limitation, Yeah, that's first and foremost. It's first and foremost,
you know, I would say, just being you know, just
going through your trials and tribulations. You know, y'all saw
me go through all types of things, you know, throughout
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my career and my life. A lot of things I dies,
you know, a lot of things I give to God.
You know a lot of things that you know, I
just had to work around. But I think what you're
seeing is me being one hundred percent myself apologetically, like
unapologetically myself, like meaning that I don't I don't play
(09:36):
that game no more. You know what I'm saying, Like
I have something to say, so I gotta say it.
You know what I'm saying. It's like a mistakesman. At
this point, I've been I've been to you know, I've
been to all the wars you know, Vietnam, Oka now
or whatever you name it. I've been there and survived them.
And it's like, you know, I gotta say what needs
to be said because I don't really think nobody care
like that no more. If I'm honesty, because they like
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you know, everybody's caught up in the status, to the money.
But I don't really think people care about the culture.
If I'm honest, I don't. I don't see nobody out
here pushing it. I don't see nobody standing for it.
I see it's just like you being in the street,
like how you're gonna let all the little homies go
to prison and get killed. It's crazy. You got to
put them to decide to have a conversation. So these
are the conversations for the people that want to hear,
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and then for the people like ourselves that are already there.
It's the encouragement to keep going, like it's okay. It's
okay to evolve, it's okay to be you, it's okay
to think outside the box. You ain't got to feel
no way because that ain't cool, because it is, you
know what I mean, That's how that's how I live,
because it's just like you know, at first, over talking
(10:38):
was not cool, and doing interviews was not cool. It's
like interrogation, you know what I mean. Times I didn't
want to come to breakfast club. I thought y'all was
going to ask me about something that is happy to
do the streets.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
It's just like I can't answer that. But it's different,
you know, because I don't got nothing going on out there.
You know, I'm just you know, I'm just you know,
I'm just standing in line with my purpose and doing
what I do best. But to me, you know, to
answer your question. And I really think that this is important.
This matters, and the only way to really connect with
people is authenticity. You know what I'm saying. Just being
(11:09):
you now?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Was the vision always this because even years ago you
were heavy into you know, everybody dress up and come
on out like that was your thing for a long time.
And you've seen all this follow but was that division
from the beginning You was like, naw, I'm a schedule
because I want people to dress up, I want people
to come out. I want them to come out as
a couple. And you've been doing it for years ago, right, well, we'll.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Also I looked at it like this. I looked at
it like you know, because even when we should do
the all black parties, all white parties, it was getting
people excited, you know what I'm saying. And as you
get into that era of like, you know, I'm putting
on clothes now, you wouldn't invite everybody out to do
it because it you know, like I said, you know,
the only time he really wore suits was too you know,
(11:51):
funerals in court. You know what I'm saying. I had one,
you know what I'm saying, But I have several now
and It's like, there's nothing like seeing a grown man
with his girl in one of these shows, feeling good,
looking good. You got this tux heter on. You know,
they gonna come to the show, they might cass dinner after.
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But he's he's in that space, you know what I'm saying.
He feels like you know, and you know, like anybody know,
when you put on the suit, you feel, you feel accomplished.
And for me, it's just like I want to share that,
you know, just like I want to share the music
I listen to. I want to shit a few food
did I get on? I want to share the wine
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did I drink? Because that's all the part of evolution.
You got to put people on, you know what I'm saying.
And for me, it's just like I want to make
it cool. I made a conscious decision I wouldn't getting
I told the team, I'm not getting on the stage
at all this year. If I'm not in the tuxedo,
I ain't doing nobody's show. He'll come to Vegas. That's it,
you know what I'm saying, Because that's that's how I
want to present myself. This is the eraror that I'm
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in and it's just like I don't want enough Dickie
suits for everybody. Man, it's time.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Saying what part of your old mentality helped you become successful,
but would hurt you if you still held onto it today?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Survival? You know what I'm saying. I've always been a survivor.
And you know, without signing to preaching, man, you know
like abundance is real, boy, that it's man. When when
that when that life force changed and that spirit change,
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survivor ran everything away from me that I should have
had a long time ago because I was guarded. I
didn't trust, you know what I'm saying. I was rough
around the edge, you know, you know what I'm saying.
But over time, you know what I'm saying. You know,
when I started to you know, just work through that,
all the stuff that I ever want that came to me.
It was crazy. It was just like I would get
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calls from people that it's weird, you know what I'm saying.
It's just like I would get calls from people that
I wanted to either work with or you know, co
collab on something or do business. When it was just
called be like, hey, man, how you doing next time
you're in town? Won't you hit me up? And at first,
you know, it was I'm like they trying to trick
me or something, you know what I'm saying, because that's
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survival kicking in because now you're thinking there's something to it.
But when the energy changed, people actually just want to
help because they see what you're doing, you know what
I'm saying. And for me, that was the changing point
for me. So if you asked me if I was
still trying to survive, I don't. I think it would
hurt me right now. I think that it would hurt
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the vision. I think that it would hurt culturally because
I would still be out here pushing an agenda that's
really not mine in my heart.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
That's good. At what point did survival stop being your
primary motivation?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Once I realized that I wasn't gonna have all the
money in the world, you know what I'm saying, and
no matter what I bought or had watches, change calls,
it wasn't gonna change what was going on inside, you
know what I'm saying. And once I started to do that,
which was probably the hardest thing I had to do,
(15:08):
it shifted everything, you know what I'm saying, because now
you're living for abundance, well with abundance, and you're seeing
what piece is. You're seeing what financial freedom is, You're
seeing what actually having real friends. You know what I'm saying,
You actually seeing what Actually you're doing things for yourself.
You're taking solo trips, going out of the country, just
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you you know what I'm saying. You. You know, you
taking the time to make sure your schedule was set
up so that you can, like instead of booking, you know,
the year for the business, you booking your family first,
and then you work around that. But you book your
time first, you work around that. It's like, this is
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what I got, you know what I'm saying. And also
just like real talk, it's just like knowing that you
know what I'm saying. You got to have boundaries, Like
you know, you can't take every call, You can't talk
to nobody, can't talk to everybody on the bridge. You
can tell somebody, look, man, I got thirty minutes. That's it.
You know what I'm saying. It I can't listen to
you then all day. But I love you, But I
mean right now I'm in a good space. I can't
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take this energy with me. I'm going home in about you know,
two hours. I don't want to take this back to
my kids or being able to tell people know you
know what I'm saying, because that was the biggest thing
for me. I wanted to do everything for everybody because
I felt like that's what makes you a real person.
But what makes you a real person that's making sure
that you your start player it's good first, and then
you can see how you want to help somebody else out,
(16:31):
and then also having boundaries how far you go with
that because if you keep going what juven I say,
I say, I can't please everybody. I love my folks,
but if I give you anything, baby, I'm gonna be.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I love this conversation make because a lot of black
men are taught how to survive. We don't.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
We're not really taught how to heal.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
So when did you realize those are two different skills sets.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Well, surviving was easy because all you got to do
is not care about nobody else. You know what I'm saying.
It was hard because you gotta start caring about yourself first,
you know what I'm saying. Because for me, I didn't care,
you know what I'm saying. I just wanted to survive,
and that was like just enough to survive the next day.
So I wasn't planning for things. You couldn't ask me
what my next five years, ten years gonna look like.
(17:16):
I didn't know what my next thirty minutes was gonna
look like. You know what I mean. I'm not just
saying that, but you say to healing, to me was
it was just aligning with the purpose, like meaning like
once I understood that this was like just put it
like this, I wouldn't even be doing this residency if
I ain't take that path. You know what I'm saying,
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I wouldn't have wrote no books. If I ain't take
that path, I wouldn't have been honest enough to be
honest with myself to even write a book, you know
what I'm saying, Because to me, that was letting people in,
showing my weaknesses, showing my blind spots. And you know,
when you're living out of survivor, you can't show nobody
nothing blind, you know what I mean. So when I
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understood that, you know, at first, you know, like they say,
it's messy in the beginning, You know what I'm saying,
it's tough in the middle, but it's beautiful at the
end and just like now, just like I can clearly
see when somebody's living for survival and and and I
have empathy for them, you know what I'm saying, because
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I just know they just don't know yet, you know
what I'm saying. But then people will see me out like, man,
you look good. You take care of yourself, just like
I ain't stressed, you know what I'm saying. I'm not
worried about anything, like I'm not tripping, and that's just me.
But it's just like healing does that. And I talk
to all my guys, like even my you know, some
of my closest partners. I'll be like, yo, man, you know,
like you gotta you gotta work on that. You gotta
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figure that out. And not to preach. It's just like
I'm just telling you, bro, it's like healing, healing and
pieces like oxygen, you know what I'm saying. And when
you can breathe, man, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Is that that WHYZ is a quote unquote I say,
a looner. Like when I see j Z, I see
g Z by himself yeasty people with JEZI like Jez
does his own thing.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Is that the reason why no, because I don't. I
don't look at it. I don't look at it as isolation.
But I do. I do value my energy, you know
what I'm saying. I value my time and I value
like my spirit, you know what I'm saying. And just
like I'm a natural introvert. I don't know if people
do that, you know what I mean. So I have
to recharge. I mean, if you're on stage and you
give it, you know, five ten thousand people your energy
(19:24):
every night, you still got to run multiple companies and
take care of kids and run you know, a couple
of households and all these things. It's like you need
time for yourself. But I will say that though people
will see me out like somewhere eating by myself a trip,
but I love like I love it, like you know
what I'm saying. It's just like nothing like sitting down
having some good food, bottle of wine. And I'll go
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anywhere around the country and do that. But when I'm
with my people, I'm locked in. Like if I'm with
my guys and we're doing something, I'm in I like
to curate moments. You know, I'm that guy. But then
I also need that time because I have to process
a lot, because that's what healing is. Got to be
able to sit with yourself. A lot of times, you know,
when you're on that journey, you know, or you're just beginning,
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it's hard to sit with yourself. Bro, Like you got
so much trauma and turmoil in you one minute the
loan can feel like you're dying what I'm saying, and
it's just like but to me, it's just like again,
it's oxygen. I go do my thing. I still take
myself out, you know. Right now, every Wednesday eight o'clock
solo date, I do it. You know what I'm saying.
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I get dressed up, you know.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
So low you do like sushi Jake, I.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Switched it up. I've been doing a little steak lately,
but I'm gonna get it back around.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Is it crazy to see this energy, man, that you.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Created all of these years ago that you know, people
was wilding in the club to you know, fighting.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
But then you have people hustled to whatever it was.
It was a whole different energy.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
But now you're done turned it into this Vegas residency,
like literally from survival.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
There's something that can heal?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Right, Well, you know, I told them in the beginning
that I was, you know, motivated Thuss. They've grown now,
you know what I'm saying, and it's just like the
speakers the same, the message has changed, and for me,
it's just like it's real, you know. And I think
that that's the hard part that people have, you know,
(21:21):
been going back and forth by like it's that him.
You know what I'm saying, it's.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Real make more sense now.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
And a lot of those records make more sense on
that stage to me, because anything that's great should be
refined with time. And I feel like when I look
at the greats, the Sinatras and all these people, they
did things that were you know, even for Italian culture,
that was huge, you know what I'm saying. But like
(21:53):
the thing that throws me off about our coachure is
we feel like we got to be a certain way
to be accepted, you know what I'm saying, And that
certain way to be accepted is built off of selfishness, right,
meaning that it's got to be about me, right. And
(22:17):
to add on to that, it's tough to watch people
that are so talented and great not aligned with each
other and just take the world. You know what I'm
saying like we all great. It's crazy, like we are great,
and every time I see it, it's just like you
can go somewhere and see a whole nother culture, whether
(22:37):
they're you know, I don't know, you know, you know,
from Saudi Ray whatever, they they together when they get
to these other countries, like they together, you know what
I'm saying. So I'm watching this, I'm just sitting back
and I'm going like, what can I do to contribute
to us getting together? And that's what the residency is about.
That's what we're doing these interviews is about. That's what
(23:00):
the piece with Don Limon. I know, we gotta talk
about that. It's about because it's just like that is
my purpose, you know, motivating and inspiring my people and
getting us to see that we can do this together.
You know what I'm saying. And I know that might
sound crazy, but at some time, at some point, the
narrative has to change.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I was going to ask you Jay Z did a
freestyle at the Roots picnic right, take out the subject
matter right. I feel like we don't have those moments
anymore where it gives you that feeling, and I thought
Jay would bring back Jay at his age of fifty,
whatever he is, was able to bring back a feeling
we haven't seen before.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Do you agree? Because it was back to lyrics, it
was back to music, it was back to rap. Well,
I tell you it was even better than that. It
was conflict resolution. You see what I'm saying, because you're
coming at me right. And I'm not just saying this
because me and J cool. But that's conflict resolution. You
throw words to me, I throw words back. You ain't
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got to hurt me, ain't gotta hurt you. I'm better.
I'm good at what I do. You can say what
you say. I'm gonna say what I say. But guess what,
if I see you tomorrow, he might dap him up.
You know what I'm saying. He ain't lose nothing. He
just saw it. I'm great at what I do, So
I'm just saying. That's different from getting into it with
somebody around the corner and go killing somebody, taking away
from their kids. You know what I'm saying. That's the
point I'm trying to make. You know what I'm saying.
(24:24):
It just like we gotta just draw the line. That's cool.
That's the RD form. It's like basketball, man. I mean,
come on, man, you know Ali officer shook a lot
of people. You know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
he ain't gonna go kill Steph Curry. And part of
me for saying that, but it's like it don't. It's
a sport. We gotta lead a sport on the field,
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on the court. He left it on the court. He
left it on the field. That's how you do. That's
grown man business. He ain't got no problem with them kids. Man,
what are you gonna do? What Anna? They gotta get past.
And I ain't just saying that. I'm just saying respectfully.
It's just like that, get my right, man like. And
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I don't want to come up here and sound crazy,
but I just don't think nobody care. You know what
I'm saying. These kids are going to prison, millionaires, moti
what happened to the kids? The linears everything. Then at
the same time they're dying. That's the part. I can't
get bad.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
But you know that people will get mad and they'll say, well, jeez,
used to make the kind of music.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
That used to cause that.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
But I always say, I say, hey, man, you know
you did you knew you operated from the perspective you
was from at the time.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
You know, I'm saying with the information you had at
the time.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Not even that I never ever, ever, ever talked about
spinning no blocks in the way that it wasn't self
defense or defending me in mind. That's the difference. I'm
not talking about going to hunt nobody child down. Man,
that ain't even in my blood. But if you come
to my house, you already know what it is. I
told you. You know what I'm saying. So it's like
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it ain't it's a difference. It's like, that's why you
got all these people that own all these firearms, just
to protect their family. It's not to go hunt the
neighbor down. You ain't never heard Garbrooks say he gonna
go uh slide on.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
I'm high as a motherfucker right now, shooting nigga dead
and this ship right now.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
What But I'm saying, like, I'm not saying I'm going
to come spind your block because you claiming this, so
you doing that, I'm just saying I'm protecting my and
And by the way, that was the vibration of the music.
We want to aggressive music. But that didn't mean I
was gonna go out here and go. You know what
I'm saying, like not unless I had to.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
But it's just that music.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Probably did cause some kid to do that who was
already feeling.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Like, Okay, we ain't fighting, we ain't we fight light
till they turn the lights. So when they turn them on,
the go turn them on, turn the back off, and
get back to the party. But it gott to be
the differenttrats. But but this is what I will say.
But this is what I will say. But this, but
(27:17):
this is what I will say. Because I don't regret anything.
I'm never gonna, you know, say that I didn't live
a life. What I'm saying that at this point in
my career that when I'm performing these records, I'm saying,
stump the stump, stump, you turn the lights back off
with the orchestra. Totally different with Adam Blackstone.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You've seen the journey. You're supposed to evolve like people.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
I don't think people should, you know, hold you accountable
for that you did that.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Now I'm trying to spend the rest of my life.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
But but I do want to I do want to
flag that from my perspective, even when I made music
like that, because I knew gangster music. Well. I grew
up on Ice Cube and all those guys, and I
understood what they was doing. My thing was, I was
a hustler. You know what I'm saying. When you hustle,
the less violence the better, because that's how you're gonna
get your money. You know what I'm saying. If you
get violent, the block get hot. I do that for
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a fact. But the music was the music, but the
mentality was and even with my crew, that's how we kicked.
It's just like, you know, we're good until somebody bother us.
So I do want to say that, but I think
it changed somewhere to now. You know. It's almost like
you know, I don't like you, so I'm gonna come
and hunt you down. To me, that's that's wild. I mean,
(28:36):
I'm just there's nothing no man gonna do to me
besides my touch, my kids, my family that I feel
like I got to go out here and do something
crazy to prove a point, you know what I'm saying,
Because what they say, man's a lot of wet pillars
in the penitentiary.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Man.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
And the thing is like when you came manage your
emotions and you know, you in these positions that God
put you in, you lose it all. You know what
I'm saying, And that's worse than you know. To me,
that's worse than hustling your whole life and getting twenty
years because at least you against some money. You go
out here and you just do something out of out
of ego or out of you know, just not being
(29:11):
able to control your emotions. Could you imagine like one
second and you got to sit in the prison cell
twenty years and think about what you did. And to me, like,
and this is an interview, so it sounds cool, but like,
twenty years is real. Man. I know people that have.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Done it, But I feel like, don't you feel like
don't you feel like people are accepting the not the change,
like but where you are now, I don't really think
that people push.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Back on that with you, Like you people are motivated
by saying.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
No, no, I love it. And you know, I'm just
speaking candidly. But for me, this is real because I
know I can't just leave and go live my life
and watch all the things that are happening. It's like,
I don't subscribe to the term oji. I hate it.
(30:01):
Ain't nothing original about Gangster. When you're the big homie, man,
you gotta still you know, you still got to pull
back in and even like knowing you the big homie
for some people that are older than you, you know
what I'm saying, you still gotta pull back in and
show them like, hey man, there's a way to live,
like because you got to really think about it. Beyond
the Jays and the few people we know, ain't really
a lot of examples on how you do this and
(30:21):
continue to do it and how you evolve gracefully and
not get caught up. Ain't a lot of examples like that,
Like you don't got a lot to look at. So
to me, that's important because I feel like once you
feel like you hit the glass ceiling and I talk
about it in the in the Legend of the Snowman
Against All Odds interview that's coming out docuviewed's coming out Friday.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
What was it.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Three pm Eastern time on my YouTube. Yeah, with donal Lemon.
You know, we talk about those things because to me,
that's what's important and that's what's real, you know what
I'm saying, Like, music is always been a way to communicate,
you know what I'm saying, having some type of you know,
(31:08):
just some type of notoriety, you know what I'm saying,
Like you gotta stand for something, you know what I mean.
And it could be good or bad, that's on you,
but you gotta stand for something. And for me, like
the money's been made, the fun has been had, when
it's all said and done, what was what was it
really for? And I have to be honest, like I
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wouldn't be where I'm at in my journey right now
if the coaching didn't give back to me and support
me like that, I wouldn't be able to go pay
for no therapy and you know, do all the things
that I need to do to get myself together. So
for me, I feel like I have to give back
because we was all in this together, you know what
I'm saying. So how can I give you Because if
I gave you the motivation and if I told you know,
(31:50):
gave you the recession and all these different projects, how
am I gonna get myself together and just leave you
out here at least not give you the information? You
know what I mean. I gotta give you a shot,
you know, you never know. I was talking to my
little cousin the other day. He was just talking to
me and he got to be about six years younger
than he was, Like, yeah, man, because you know my
boundaries and it messed my head. I'm like, tell me
about it. And he understood that, you know what I'm saying,
(32:12):
And we had a real conversation about that. But I
felt like he walked away and he had more information
than he did. But to me, like, that's better than
selling the record to me, because I don't know where
he gonna take that, you know what I'm saying, who
he gonna explain that to? And you know, my point
in case is this residency, this you know, these these interviews,
(32:38):
this docu view with Don Lemon, everything that is in
my path that I'm doing right now is because somebody
has to do something.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
What made you feel that you feel like the culture
doesn't care anymore? What gave you that feeling like I
don't feel like these artists care as much.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Or when money get in the quation everything, Jane, you
know what I'm saying. I'm not saying they wrong for
that because they've been through what they've been through, but
you know how I go, it's just like it's just
like anything. Just like once you get in it, you know,
the industry grabs a hold of you, and you running
the gun and you hustling, you hustling, you're doing everything
you could do to get it up. Do what you
gotta do. You're not looking back no more and saying
(33:25):
what's going on? You hear about it, and it's like,
there's no different than being in the street. It's like,
you know what I mean, people, I used to hear
about it on the weekend, you know such and such.
I'm like, damn, glad it ain't me. That's all I'm thinking.
You know what I'm saying, because I'm surviving. You know
what I'm saying. But now it's different. When I'm reading
TMZ and what I'm saying, I'm like, man, why would
he do that? It's crazy, it's crazy. He should set
(33:46):
up a boxing mans or something, man like anything.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
That's funny.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Because I always say you shouldn't judge people. I don't
judge nobody for what they doing there and survival. More
to your point, these niggas just doing y'all just waking.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Up doing it. And by the way, ain't nobody to
tell them different, becau they don't like one thing about it,
and I love all my you know, my little brothers.
You know, once once you become and not just to
say those, but like once you become the boss or
once you you know, become a million, because that's all
you really want. A million dollars after the tackles ain't nothing.
But at the end of the day, it's like, once
you get there, you can't really tell someone what they're
(34:20):
doing or try to help them. So you got to
kind of catch them on their way up because once
they get it, they don't They ain't trying to hear that.
And you know how I know I was the same way.
You know what I'm saying. Once I got on, I
ain't here what nobody was saying. You know what I'm saying.
I want to do it my way. I want to
go out here and you know, lead the way I
(34:41):
thought I was leading. You know what I'm saying. And
Tdj's asked me that one time and I just had
to really have a realization because it made me have
a flashback. He's like, Okay, well where you lead them to?
M hm.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
You know, so what responsibility to do?
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Artists have to evolve publicly win million people learn from them.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Because you've evolved publicly.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Well, I didn't really have a choice, like meaning like
like it had to be my reputation exceeded me. Like
so I couldn't, you know what I'm saying. I could
just show up a certain way, people like, yo, what's
up with your man? You know what I'm saying. So
I had to kind of make it known. But also
that was the big I'm gonna tell you, it's crazy,
like putting like that might I might forgive. I don't
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forget that project. Putting my baby picture on there like
when I was young, it was a big step for me.
That's the most that's probably the most vulnerable pictures I had.
I did that for myself because I would have never
shown nobody that picture. But that was a part of healing,
you know what I'm saying. I had to put that
out there because it's like that's a little jay And
for me, that was intentional. But that doesn't mean the
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music had to be great. That was the process of
it that did something for me, right, But going forward,
as I started to do other things, I've been intentional
about it because you got to understand, I'm showing up
to me as the people who respect me for being
a certain way, you know what I'm saying, And you're saying, yeah,
but this is who I am now and you're hoping
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they understand. So that's that's like the process, because you
could lose it all, Like they can wake up and
be like, you know what, I'm good or you it's
somebody else out there just doing that. So I think
the responsibility ain't for the artists, the responsibilities for the man.
Who's the man? You know, we all can put shades
on change watches. You know what I'm saying about? Who
(36:31):
is the man? Who are you when nobody else is looking?
So that's why I'm met with.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
So are we going to get back to the show
kind of think there's a bit on this new round
of shows. I know you just added by eleven more.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, eleven more days.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, along gonna make it out to
any of them.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
I mean, she's invited, We're gonna invite her again. You
got a formal invite.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Everybody update with.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
A couple.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
It was the first interview and then you was like,
we were right to think that there was a little
ris happening there, but you were just very respectful yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I think I asked that last.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
So look when you say you got three X is
broken down, it's a three x the man.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
The legend is that three different suits.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
No, okay, do you bet?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Do you be high? Absolutely? It's Vegas. Okay, no, no,
don't let you die. You know what I'm saying. I
have to say.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
When you do something like at eleven more shows, right,
I remember I talked to you when you first revealed
everything the residence he was happening, and uh, we were
talking about how people didn't believe that hip hop with
the orchestra or rap with the orchestra would even work.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
And now you're added eleven more shows.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, eleven more dates, so it's twenty two dates. Now,
make sure you come out to play in Hollywood, Las Vegas,
Nevada for the residency. The legend of the snow Man again.
I think it's you know, you got Adam Blackstone, you
got Dereck Hodges, you got the Color of Noise Orchestra,
you got DJ A, she got DJ Drama together. That's
that's that's that's everything. You know what I'm saying, that's
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like high low culture. This that and the Derek Hodge
is like a modern day Miles Davis. Like you know
what I'm saying, Adams way past talented. But it's just like,
you know, like you're saying eleven more dates because a
lot of the culture on my side didn't know who
they were. Wow, and now getting a chance to experience
(38:33):
this and see them, you know what I'm saying. You
know what they have been like to go see Miles
Davis play live. You know what I'm saying. It's just
like you're getting to see that. And I had explained
that to people. Just like the first time I ever
saw orchestra or been to an orchestra show was when
I performed with the orchestra in Atlanta. You know what
I'm saying, the first time ever, I didn't even know
what to expect, no, because I had never been to
(38:55):
an orchestra. So just like, I want to do this,
So I went into it and I'm like, I'm gonna
do it, and I knew I just had to know
my part.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
You go from never even seeing the orchestra performing one,
breaking a Guinness Book of World Record for performer one
and now adding eleven.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
More dates when they told you whatn't work? So you're
self funded.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
Yeah, that's like a crazy journk Like everything with you
was just like we get to watch this journey right
when I look.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
At it, No different than you know, when they kept saying,
you know, street guy could make it and wrap and
I was by my mom make c these and passing
them out, and everybody thought I was crazy, Like why
would you get the music away for free? Here we
are twenty five years later. You know what I'm saying,
It all makes sense. But you know, my my, my
biggest message to anybody out there, man like living your
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purpose and you know, if nobody believes you, you know,
just bet on yourself, because that's what it's really about.
You know what I'm saying. It's just like these people
ain't sending spaceships in the you know, in the in
the space you know, because they waiting on the government.
They betting on themselves. I don't know what they're trying
to figure out, but they betting on themselves. And I
look at the and I go, no matter what level
(40:02):
or step on the ladder, you are, you know, invest like,
bet on yourself. Because when you bet on yourself, you
don't have all these cooks or chefs in the kitchen
try and tell you what you can't do or what
you shouldn't be doing. And when you're dealing with these
corporations or you know, just anybody that's entangled in your stuff,
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if they're giving you the money first, they gonna want
some say so and they're not gonna see your vision.
And my thing is just like it ain't even about
the shows. I'm more so like we putting our foot
down in Vegas. Man, we bringing culture to I bet
they've never seen that in a while. You know what
I'm saying. When you come out that hotel and you
(40:48):
see all them brothers and sisters dressed to the nines
and taking pictures and walking across the street to go
to that venue. Even when I'm going on my way,
I look every night and I'm just like, this is crazy.
And I know my fans, you know, so shout out
to my day one. I need to pull up. You
know what I'm saying. But these are people I've never
seen before. These are adult like, working class people that
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got a ticket because he wanted to bring his wife
and you know it was the girl's trip.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
And all that, but you don't know where they was
at twenty years ago, because twenty years ago, we wouldn't
have thought you was on stage and a suit looking
like that.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Well, what I'm saying is, you know, I've been doing
this long enough that I can look in the crowd.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
See oh you like recognize people.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, I've been doing Yeah, I think I've been doing
this almost twenty seven years. I know. But they there.
But I'm saying, but these are a lot of people
that I haven't seen before, you know what I'm saying,
And probably people that wouldn't come to you know, some
of these shows because of the places that they were in.
You know what I'm saying. I'm saying it's like you know.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
You you uh oprahdun for real.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Go do that. But now it's like Okay, now I
call with my wife, I can call my girl, you know,
I'm come over with the guys whatever, and it's a
it's a real vibe, you know what I'm saying. So
it's just like in the destination, like you come, you might,
you know, get the pool, go out whatever. Whatever. That's
different than showing up as a club to see somebody.
You know what I'm saying. You know you from South
Carolina and we were coming down there to go to club.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
I remember if I got Fatcy g at the main
event in Columbia, South Carolina. This is when Trappa Died
wasn't even out yet, you and Big Country Can and
it was like one hundred people in that show. But
then by the time Trapper Died came out maybe six
months later, that same club had three thousand people on
the inside and probably another thousand trying.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
To get it with a whole different energy back then
with nobody playing either. That's all I'm saying. But you know,
for me, you know, I really want to invite everybody
to come out to Las Vegas, Nevada, come to see
the Legend of the Snowman. It's not it's not just
a show. This is an experience. And I mean that wholeheartedly.
(42:54):
And I invite everybody to watch the Legend of the
Snowman against All Odds fry three pm Eastern time on
my YouTube and uh to sit down with me and
my guy Don Lemon, and it's deep, it's dope, and
it's real. And you know, we're gonna keep pushing Koja.
We're gonna keep pushing purpose, and we're gonna keep pushing peace.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
One last thing, man, since you're being so vulnerable and
so transparent, why don't you put out the conversation that
we had several years ago we went to hawks and
you from the from the ride because you pick you
up from the airport, from the ride to the airport,
the Hawkingsville and then just walking around meeting Auntie and
all that. You was like, nah, this was too much
and you didn't want to put the whole thing out.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Welly not now, well I can put it out now
some statute of lilimitations. People were talking to.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
People that we were talking to, like, man, Auntie a
movie man.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Yeah, man, shout out to my man. Yeah, I love
her to death. And may no, shout out to you
for even coming down there, bro, like that that was big.
You know. You know, I'm like, I was a legend
already and I brought Charlamagne to the hood. Everybody's great
about this. But also, man, shout out to you guys
for Netflix. When you talk about evolving, man evolved. You
know what I'm saying and what I would say to y'all.
(44:12):
You know, if I could leave you in any words,
you know, everybody's gonna have an opinion, you know, what
I'm saying. That's how it is in the beginning. But
you know, once you get to where it needs to be,
that we can have another conversation about this, because y'all
the first to crack that cold baby. That ain't that
ain't no, that ain't for play. You know what I'm saying.
That ain't for play, Jez. We appreciate you for joining
us always.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yes, yes, in Vegas. I'm going out there for Vegas.
I can't wait to see the show. Yes, I'm excited,
and I need you guys because I'm listening. Then after
the day, you guys, I want to hear your.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
The breakdown, real revision.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
You'll need to We all came to Atlanta one time
we broadcast was it a night or Yeah?
Speaker 1 (44:54):
We did? We did it. It was frankskys uh, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
That was I love a good family.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
We can figure out all dressed up and broadcastling in
and then that, and we can figure out it's the
breakfast club.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
It's jeezy already, love baby, hold up every day.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
A week ago, wake your glass up.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
The breakfast Club.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
You don't finish with y'all. Dune
Every day a week clicks up the Breakfast Club. I'm
finished for y'all. Done morning.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Everybody is the DJ n V Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the God.
We are the Breakfast Club, Lawn the Roses here as well.
We got a special guests in.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
The buildings man Jesus in the building.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Welcome, top of the tib whatever.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Morning.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
How you feeling man? Amazing?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, we haven't seen the show yet. We we schedule
to go out and see the show, but it looks
amazing so much. So how does it feel putting on
your own production, doing your own show, handling expenses, profits, losses?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
How did that feel? That's that's different. I mean, you
know my former job are handling expenses, okay, putting together
my own show. I mean, you know, I just think
the culture kind of got caught up in hustling and
we forgot about the all form, you know what I mean.
So we'll just running around get money, and it just
(01:00):
got redundant. Man, you know what I'm saying. I love
what I do and I was just like, I just
wanted to do something great for culture, for our people.
Like I feel like when people spend their money, they
should see they should have an experience. You know what
I mean. Time people came to the show and saw
me with a microphone. You know what I'm saying. Shout
out to DJs. You know he's the greatest. But what
we do, brother, so me and DJ can do alone.
(01:22):
And Las Vegas to me is like you know, it's Sinatra,
you know what I mean. And it's just like when
you're on that stage and you in Las Vegas. That's special.
But especially for it to be black tie, you know
what I'm saying, because I feel like we as adults
and the people that you know made it to the
other side, we deserve to be able to go take
(01:44):
our you know, our spouse person, enjoy his show, look nice,
make it a weekend. Like you said, go pull up
on Mary, pull up on Jezus right, and enjoy yourself
and not worry about stepping on nobody's shoe. You know
what I'm saying. And if you do, it might be
a red bottom and usual. You know what I'm saying.
You know we're supposed to be there. But to answer
(02:05):
your question, man, this is probably the greatest It's probably
the greatest season in my career. You know what I'm saying,
because I'm able to express myself, I'm able to put
something together that's special, you know what I'm saying. Even
you know, my peers, you know, are very impressed what's
going on because it took you know, some risk, you
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know what I'm saying, and some and like you said,
some privacy and losses. But at the end of the day,
it's all worth it us for culture. And you know,
if you start seeing the legend of the snow man,
they got to be legend there. You can't even play
with that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
So do you prefer a residency overturn right now?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
In my life? Yeah, you know what I'm saying, because
you know, with a residency is it's so you can
put together this this ecosystem of this atmosphere and it's
your atmosphere, you know what I'm saying. And people travel,
you know, it just it's more of an experience than
me coming to your town and just popping out. You
(03:03):
know what I'm saying. It comes to your town, you
pop out. You know, we've been doing that for decades.
But it's just like when you get somebody from Memphis
to come all the way to Vegas. You know, get
a tucks, you know what I'm saying, and pay and
enjoy themselves. And it's dope because even like the club
vision experience to me is like with DJ Drama DJ
A's and that's something I really want to do because
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that's something I had to fight for and you know
you can't you just coming to Atlanta back in eight
you know, you know what that was like club visions,
but just hearing that nostalgic music that you grew up
on from two of the best DJs. You see these
grown people in that dancing. Man, I'm in a good time,
you know what I'm saying. Before the show even stars. Yeah,
it's a different era you grew up on, and to me,
(03:45):
that's all a part of the experience, you know what
I'm saying. And to answer your question absolutely, when I
think about residencies, you know, and me and Celo was
talking about this the other day, it was just like,
you know a lot of people feel like that's where
artists go to die Vegas. That's not true. That's what
they told us because they didn't want us out there,
and that's why I wanted to get out there, you
know what I'm saying. On my own dime on my
(04:07):
own time, because I know they didn't want us out there.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I was thinking about this the other day. Could artists
do a residency in their hometown?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Meaning absolutely?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Did you do in Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Absolutely not?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And why not?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Because it's it's people. Could I could do birthday bads?
It's about it, you know what I'm saying. One night,
You know what I'm saying. It ain't like that because
you know, you home and most of them cats go
to see you somewhere on the weekend, you know, if
it's just at a restaurant or something. So they're like, yeah,
we you know, we pull up on them one time,
but nobody's coming to that, you know. And I thought
(04:40):
about that before. You know what I'm saying. And but
Las Vegas is a destination, you know what I'm saying.
Atlanta used to be a destination. I hope they own
you know what I'm saying. Them take that the wrong way,
But Atlanta used to be Atlanta. You came to Atlanta,
you stay, you know, you come to Atlanta for you know,
a weekend, you end up staying six months. You know
what I'm saying. It ain't like that no more.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, what do you think is the best era of Jeez?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Being that you've been out here doing these residencies and
you see how people respond to different parts of your catalog,
what's the best era of Jez's music?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I think five when it dropped and now because it's
refined and I mean that, you know what I'm saying,
like even in my spirit, like how I kick it,
It's refined and I'm focused and I enjoy it, and
five is the last time I enjoyed it, you know
what I'm saying. Everything in between it was kind of
a blur, if you know what I mean. Like five
(05:33):
in the beginning, when it was new, it was fresh,
and you know, fast forward to you know, twenty twenty six,
it feels new and fresh again. You know what I'm
saying when you're looking at those faces and people actually
coming there and enjoying themselves because you know, it's been
you know, in between. You know, I don't really know
if people enjoyed shows. I think they came, you know
(05:55):
what I'm saying. I think they showed up, but I
don't think they enjoyed it, you know what I'm saying.
On how it was when Hoping was doing Summer jam
like that was different, you know than probably a show somewhere.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Now.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
You know what I'm saying as a GZ connoisseur, as
a person who has GZ is one of their favorite
rappers of all time.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I received that, I got a top seven. I don't
want to actually what number one, man, but I received.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Them no more.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
But I don't think any one of them could be
my number one and any given moment.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
So for me, it's jay Z, Nas, scar Face, t I,
g Z, Killer Mike, and ghost Face.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
That's my seven fact.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
But I feel like that Recession era and that TM
one on three era, especially the one on three era
very slept on.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, so you get into.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
That, well, Recession to me was my best album. I
would agree, you know what I'm saying, that's when I
really wrote TM one on three. I think it took me.
It took me almost three years right there. Not because
it wasn't done, because I just was trying to make
something perfect and I learned very quickly perfection ain't the way.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
But you got some that's a class forgot.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Talk about wading Yeah, you know, way too gone way
to the joint.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
With Trick Daddy. I used to have nothing whole. There's
some joints on that man.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
But that's the that's the beauty of you know, the residency.
You get to hear all that.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
How do you decide what what songs you perform?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Because you gotta.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
So what makes the residency dope is it's almost like
a So it feels like a player, if you will,
because it's acts sack, you know, it's three acts. You know,
the man, the myth, the legend, and that's how you
break up the songs. And it's dope because it's just
like you know, you would think way too gone would
be a legend, but it's not the myth.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I'm saying, Yeah, how did you come up with those
three categories? Man?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
It's the truth? No man, Yeah, the man, the myth,
the legend. And this is the thing. It all reverted
back the man, the myth, the legends. So the soul
starts off with the man because that's who I am,
that's who I evolved. You you know what I'm saying.
So it's just like, you know, then you get to
break it down. The myth was when he was trying
to figure it out, and the legend ones when he
(08:05):
came out the box. You know what I mean, trap
or die? Uh you know, uh, get your mind right,
you know what I mean that time.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
So we're going we're going backwards. You gotta give me
some track. What's the man track?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Let's give me just a couple of don't give up,
you go ahead, but put.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
It his way. It used to have nothing in the man.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Okay, okay, okay. And then the myth is what recession?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It's different? Is you gotta you gotta come see it.
And I need a real review when you come back
to the show, can break the down you know what,
I'm from him?
Speaker 6 (08:39):
And even though like when you first rolled out all
of the residency and like it was very cinematic and
there's a lot of storytelling. I mean, you've been a
storyteller through your music, but now I feel like we're
also just getting you, like hearing you talk interviews, share
your story.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
What's been freeing for you about being able to do
that in this area.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Your limitation, Yeah, that's first and foremost. It's first and foremost,
you know, I would say, just being you know, just
going through your trials and tribulations. You know, y'all saw
me go through all types of things, you know, throughout
(09:15):
my career and my life. A lot of things I dies,
you know, a lot of things I give to God.
You know a lot of things that you know, I
just had to work around. But I think what you're
seeing is me being one hundred percent myself apologetically, like
unapologetically myself, like meaning that I don't I don't play
(09:36):
that game no more. You know what I'm saying, Like
I have something to say, so I gotta say it.
You know what I'm saying. It's like a mistakesman. At
this point, I've been I've been to you know, I've
been to all the wars you know, Vietnam, Oka now
or whatever you name it. I've been there and survived them.
And it's like, you know, I gotta say what needs
to be said because I don't really think nobody care
like that no more. If I'm honesty, because they like
(09:57):
you know, everybody's caught up in the status, to the money.
But I don't really think people care about the culture.
If I'm honest, I don't. I don't see nobody out
here pushing it. I don't see nobody standing for it.
I see it's just like you being in the street,
like how you're gonna let all the little homies go
to prison and get killed. It's crazy. You got to
put them to decide to have a conversation. So these
are the conversations for the people that want to hear,
(10:17):
and then for the people like ourselves that are already there.
It's the encouragement to keep going, like it's okay. It's
okay to evolve, it's okay to be you, it's okay
to think outside the box. You ain't got to feel
no way because that ain't cool, because it is, you
know what I mean, That's how that's how I live,
because it's just like you know, at first, over talking
(10:38):
was not cool, and doing interviews was not cool. It's
like interrogation, you know what I mean. Times I didn't
want to come to breakfast club. I thought y'all was
going to ask me about something that is happy to
do the streets.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
It's just like I can't answer that. But it's different,
you know, because I don't got nothing going on out there.
You know, I'm just you know, I'm just you know,
I'm just standing in line with my purpose and doing
what I do best. But to me, you know, to
answer your question. And I really think that this is important.
This matters, and the only way to really connect with
people is authenticity. You know what I'm saying. Just being
(11:09):
you now?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Was the vision always this because even years ago you
were heavy into you know, everybody dress up and come
on out like that was your thing for a long time.
And you've seen all this follow but was that division
from the beginning You was like, naw, I'm a schedule
because I want people to dress up, I want people
to come out. I want them to come out as
a couple. And you've been doing it for years ago, right, well, we'll.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Also I looked at it like this. I looked at
it like you know, because even when we should do
the all black parties, all white parties, it was getting
people excited, you know what I'm saying. And as you
get into that era of like, you know, I'm putting
on clothes now, you wouldn't invite everybody out to do
it because it you know, like I said, you know,
the only time he really wore suits was too you know,
(11:51):
funerals in court. You know what I'm saying. I had one,
you know what I'm saying, But I have several now
and It's like, there's nothing like seeing a grown man
with his girl in one of these shows, feeling good,
looking good. You got this tux heter on. You know,
they gonna come to the show, they might cass dinner after.
(12:12):
But he's he's in that space, you know what I'm saying.
He feels like you know, and you know, like anybody know,
when you put on the suit, you feel, you feel accomplished.
And for me, it's just like I want to share that,
you know, just like I want to share the music
I listen to. I want to shit a few food
did I get on? I want to share the wine
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did I drink? Because that's all the part of evolution.
You got to put people on, you know what I'm saying.
And for me, it's just like I want to make
it cool. I made a conscious decision I wouldn't getting
I told the team, I'm not getting on the stage
at all this year. If I'm not in the tuxedo,
I ain't doing nobody's show. He'll come to Vegas. That's it,
you know what I'm saying, Because that's that's how I
want to present myself. This is the eraror that I'm
(12:54):
in and it's just like I don't want enough Dickie
suits for everybody. Man, it's time.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Saying what part of your old mentality helped you become successful,
but would hurt you if you still held onto it today?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Survival? You know what I'm saying. I've always been a survivor.
And you know, without signing to preaching, man, you know
like abundance is real, boy, that it's man. When when
that when that life force changed and that spirit change,
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survivor ran everything away from me that I should have
had a long time ago because I was guarded. I
didn't trust, you know what I'm saying. I was rough
around the edge, you know, you know what I'm saying.
But over time, you know what I'm saying. You know,
when I started to you know, just work through that,
all the stuff that I ever want that came to me.
It was crazy. It was just like I would get
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calls from people that it's weird, you know what I'm saying.
It's just like I would get calls from people that
I wanted to either work with or you know, co
collab on something or do business. When it was just
called be like, hey, man, how you doing next time
you're in town? Won't you hit me up? And at first,
you know, it was I'm like they trying to trick
me or something, you know what I'm saying, because that's
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survival kicking in because now you're thinking there's something to it.
But when the energy changed, people actually just want to
help because they see what you're doing, you know what
I'm saying. And for me, that was the changing point
for me. So if you asked me if I was
still trying to survive, I don't. I think it would
hurt me right now. I think that it would hurt
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the vision. I think that it would hurt culturally because
I would still be out here pushing an agenda that's
really not mine in my heart.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
That's good. At what point did survival stop being your
primary motivation?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Once I realized that I wasn't gonna have all the
money in the world, you know what I'm saying, and
no matter what I bought or had watches, change calls,
it wasn't gonna change what was going on inside, you
know what I'm saying. And once I started to do that,
which was probably the hardest thing I had to do,
(15:08):
it shifted everything, you know what I'm saying, because now
you're living for abundance, well with abundance, and you're seeing
what piece is. You're seeing what financial freedom is, You're
seeing what actually having real friends. You know what I'm saying,
You actually seeing what Actually you're doing things for yourself.
You're taking solo trips, going out of the country, just
(15:29):
you you know what I'm saying. You. You know, you
taking the time to make sure your schedule was set
up so that you can, like instead of booking, you know,
the year for the business, you booking your family first,
and then you work around that. But you book your
time first, you work around that. It's like, this is
(15:49):
what I got, you know what I'm saying. And also
just like real talk, it's just like knowing that you
know what I'm saying. You got to have boundaries, Like
you know, you can't take every call, You can't talk
to nobody, can't talk to everybody on the bridge. You
can tell somebody, look, man, I got thirty minutes. That's it.
You know what I'm saying. It I can't listen to
you then all day. But I love you, But I
mean right now I'm in a good space. I can't
(16:10):
take this energy with me. I'm going home in about you know,
two hours. I don't want to take this back to
my kids or being able to tell people know you
know what I'm saying, because that was the biggest thing
for me. I wanted to do everything for everybody because
I felt like that's what makes you a real person.
But what makes you a real person that's making sure
that you your start player it's good first, and then
you can see how you want to help somebody else out,
(16:31):
and then also having boundaries how far you go with
that because if you keep going what juven I say,
I say, I can't please everybody. I love my folks,
but if I give you anything, baby, I'm gonna be.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I love this conversation make because a lot of black
men are taught how to survive. We don't.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
We're not really taught how to heal.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
So when did you realize those are two different skills sets.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Well, surviving was easy because all you got to do
is not care about nobody else. You know what I'm saying.
It was hard because you gotta start caring about yourself first,
you know what I'm saying. Because for me, I didn't care,
you know what I'm saying. I just wanted to survive,
and that was like just enough to survive the next day.
So I wasn't planning for things. You couldn't ask me
what my next five years, ten years gonna look like.
(17:16):
I didn't know what my next thirty minutes was gonna
look like. You know what I mean. I'm not just
saying that, but you say to healing, to me was
it was just aligning with the purpose, like meaning like
once I understood that this was like just put it
like this, I wouldn't even be doing this residency if
I ain't take that path. You know what I'm saying,
(17:36):
I wouldn't have wrote no books. If I ain't take
that path, I wouldn't have been honest enough to be
honest with myself to even write a book, you know
what I'm saying, Because to me, that was letting people in,
showing my weaknesses, showing my blind spots. And you know,
when you're living out of survivor, you can't show nobody
nothing blind, you know what I mean. So when I
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understood that, you know, at first, you know, like they say,
it's messy in the beginning, You know what I'm saying,
it's tough in the middle, but it's beautiful at the
end and just like now, just like I can clearly
see when somebody's living for survival and and and I
have empathy for them, you know what I'm saying, because
(18:19):
I just know they just don't know yet, you know
what I'm saying. But then people will see me out like, man,
you look good. You take care of yourself, just like
I ain't stressed, you know what I'm saying. I'm not
worried about anything, like I'm not tripping, and that's just me.
But it's just like healing does that. And I talk
to all my guys, like even my you know, some
of my closest partners. I'll be like, yo, man, you know,
like you gotta you gotta work on that. You gotta
(18:40):
figure that out. And not to preach. It's just like
I'm just telling you, bro, it's like healing, healing and
pieces like oxygen, you know what I'm saying. And when
you can breathe, man, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Is that that WHYZ is a quote unquote I say,
a looner. Like when I see j Z, I see
g Z by himself yeasty people with JEZI like Jez
does his own thing.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Is that the reason why no, because I don't. I
don't look at it. I don't look at it as isolation.
But I do. I do value my energy, you know
what I'm saying. I value my time and I value
like my spirit, you know what I'm saying. And just
like I'm a natural introvert. I don't know if people
do that, you know what I mean. So I have
to recharge. I mean, if you're on stage and you
give it, you know, five ten thousand people your energy
(19:24):
every night, you still got to run multiple companies and
take care of kids and run you know, a couple
of households and all these things. It's like you need
time for yourself. But I will say that though people
will see me out like somewhere eating by myself a trip,
but I love like I love it, like you know
what I'm saying. It's just like nothing like sitting down
having some good food, bottle of wine. And I'll go
(19:45):
anywhere around the country and do that. But when I'm
with my people, I'm locked in. Like if I'm with
my guys and we're doing something, I'm in I like
to curate moments. You know, I'm that guy. But then
I also need that time because I have to process
a lot, because that's what healing is. Got to be
able to sit with yourself. A lot of times, you know,
when you're on that journey, you know, or you're just beginning,
(20:07):
it's hard to sit with yourself. Bro, Like you got
so much trauma and turmoil in you one minute the
loan can feel like you're dying what I'm saying, and
it's just like but to me, it's just like again,
it's oxygen. I go do my thing. I still take
myself out, you know. Right now, every Wednesday eight o'clock
solo date, I do it. You know what I'm saying.
(20:28):
I get dressed up, you know.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
So low you do like sushi Jake, I.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Switched it up. I've been doing a little steak lately,
but I'm gonna get it back around.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Is it crazy to see this energy, man, that you.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Created all of these years ago that you know, people
was wilding in the club to you know, fighting.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
But then you have people hustled to whatever it was.
It was a whole different energy.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
But now you're done turned it into this Vegas residency,
like literally from survival.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
There's something that can heal?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Right, Well, you know, I told them in the beginning
that I was, you know, motivated Thuss. They've grown now,
you know what I'm saying, and it's just like the
speakers the same, the message has changed, and for me,
it's just like it's real, you know. And I think
that that's the hard part that people have, you know,
(21:21):
been going back and forth by like it's that him.
You know what I'm saying, it's.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Real make more sense now.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
And a lot of those records make more sense on
that stage to me, because anything that's great should be
refined with time. And I feel like when I look
at the greats, the Sinatras and all these people, they
did things that were you know, even for Italian culture,
that was huge, you know what I'm saying. But like
(21:53):
the thing that throws me off about our coachure is
we feel like we got to be a certain way
to be accepted, you know what I'm saying, And that
certain way to be accepted is built off of selfishness, right,
meaning that it's got to be about me, right. And
(22:17):
to add on to that, it's tough to watch people
that are so talented and great not aligned with each
other and just take the world. You know what I'm
saying like we all great. It's crazy, like we are great,
and every time I see it, it's just like you
can go somewhere and see a whole nother culture, whether
(22:37):
they're you know, I don't know, you know, you know,
from Saudi Ray whatever, they they together when they get
to these other countries, like they together, you know what
I'm saying. So I'm watching this, I'm just sitting back
and I'm going like, what can I do to contribute
to us getting together? And that's what the residency is about.
That's what we're doing these interviews is about. That's what
(23:00):
the piece with Don Limon. I know, we gotta talk
about that. It's about because it's just like that is
my purpose, you know, motivating and inspiring my people and
getting us to see that we can do this together.
You know what I'm saying. And I know that might
sound crazy, but at some time, at some point, the
narrative has to change.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I was going to ask you Jay Z did a
freestyle at the Roots picnic right, take out the subject
matter right. I feel like we don't have those moments
anymore where it gives you that feeling, and I thought
Jay would bring back Jay at his age of fifty,
whatever he is, was able to bring back a feeling
we haven't seen before.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Do you agree? Because it was back to lyrics, it
was back to music, it was back to rap. Well,
I tell you it was even better than that. It
was conflict resolution. You see what I'm saying, because you're
coming at me right. And I'm not just saying this
because me and J cool. But that's conflict resolution. You
throw words to me, I throw words back. You ain't
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got to hurt me, ain't gotta hurt you. I'm better.
I'm good at what I do. You can say what
you say. I'm gonna say what I say. But guess what,
if I see you tomorrow, he might dap him up.
You know what I'm saying. He ain't lose nothing. He
just saw it. I'm great at what I do, So
I'm just saying. That's different from getting into it with
somebody around the corner and go killing somebody, taking away
from their kids. You know what I'm saying. That's the
point I'm trying to make. You know what I'm saying.
(24:24):
It just like we gotta just draw the line. That's cool.
That's the RD form. It's like basketball, man. I mean,
come on, man, you know Ali officer shook a lot
of people. You know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
he ain't gonna go kill Steph Curry. And part of
me for saying that, but it's like it don't. It's
a sport. We gotta lead a sport on the field,
(24:48):
on the court. He left it on the court. He
left it on the field. That's how you do. That's
grown man business. He ain't got no problem with them kids. Man,
what are you gonna do? What Anna? They gotta get past.
And I ain't just saying that. I'm just saying respectfully.
It's just like that, get my right, man like. And
(25:10):
I don't want to come up here and sound crazy,
but I just don't think nobody care. You know what
I'm saying. These kids are going to prison, millionaires, moti
what happened to the kids? The linears everything. Then at
the same time they're dying. That's the part. I can't
get bad.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
But you know that people will get mad and they'll say, well, jeez,
used to make the kind of music.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
That used to cause that.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
But I always say, I say, hey, man, you know
you did you knew you operated from the perspective you
was from at the time.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
You know, I'm saying with the information you had at
the time.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Not even that I never ever, ever, ever talked about
spinning no blocks in the way that it wasn't self
defense or defending me in mind. That's the difference. I'm
not talking about going to hunt nobody child down. Man,
that ain't even in my blood. But if you come
to my house, you already know what it is. I
told you. You know what I'm saying. So it's like
(26:03):
it ain't it's a difference. It's like, that's why you
got all these people that own all these firearms, just
to protect their family. It's not to go hunt the
neighbor down. You ain't never heard Garbrooks say he gonna
go uh slide on.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
I'm high as a motherfucker right now, shooting nigga dead
and this ship right now.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
What But I'm saying, like, I'm not saying I'm going
to come spind your block because you claiming this, so
you doing that, I'm just saying I'm protecting my and
And by the way, that was the vibration of the music.
We want to aggressive music. But that didn't mean I
was gonna go out here and go. You know what
I'm saying, like not unless I had to.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
But it's just that music.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Probably did cause some kid to do that who was
already feeling.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Like, Okay, we ain't fighting, we ain't we fight light
till they turn the lights. So when they turn them on,
the go turn them on, turn the back off, and
get back to the party. But it gott to be
the differenttrats. But but this is what I will say.
But this is what I will say. But this, but
(27:17):
this is what I will say. Because I don't regret anything.
I'm never gonna, you know, say that I didn't live
a life. What I'm saying that at this point in
my career that when I'm performing these records, I'm saying,
stump the stump, stump, you turn the lights back off
with the orchestra. Totally different with Adam Blackstone.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You've seen the journey. You're supposed to evolve like people.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
I don't think people should, you know, hold you accountable
for that you did that.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Now I'm trying to spend the rest of my life.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
But but I do want to I do want to
flag that from my perspective, even when I made music
like that, because I knew gangster music. Well. I grew
up on Ice Cube and all those guys, and I
understood what they was doing. My thing was, I was
a hustler. You know what I'm saying. When you hustle,
the less violence the better, because that's how you're gonna
get your money. You know what I'm saying. If you
get violent, the block get hot. I do that for
(28:14):
a fact. But the music was the music, but the
mentality was and even with my crew, that's how we kicked.
It's just like, you know, we're good until somebody bother us.
So I do want to say that, but I think
it changed somewhere to now. You know. It's almost like
you know, I don't like you, so I'm gonna come
and hunt you down. To me, that's that's wild. I mean,
(28:36):
I'm just there's nothing no man gonna do to me
besides my touch, my kids, my family that I feel
like I got to go out here and do something
crazy to prove a point, you know what I'm saying,
Because what they say, man's a lot of wet pillars
in the penitentiary.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Man.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
And the thing is like when you came manage your
emotions and you know, you in these positions that God
put you in, you lose it all. You know what
I'm saying, And that's worse than you know. To me,
that's worse than hustling your whole life and getting twenty
years because at least you against some money. You go
out here and you just do something out of out
of ego or out of you know, just not being
(29:11):
able to control your emotions. Could you imagine like one
second and you got to sit in the prison cell
twenty years and think about what you did. And to me, like,
and this is an interview, so it sounds cool, but like,
twenty years is real. Man. I know people that have.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Done it, But I feel like, don't you feel like
don't you feel like people are accepting the not the change,
like but where you are now, I don't really think
that people push.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Back on that with you, Like you people are motivated
by saying.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
No, no, I love it. And you know, I'm just
speaking candidly. But for me, this is real because I
know I can't just leave and go live my life
and watch all the things that are happening. It's like,
I don't subscribe to the term oji. I hate it.
(30:01):
Ain't nothing original about Gangster. When you're the big homie, man,
you gotta still you know, you still got to pull
back in and even like knowing you the big homie
for some people that are older than you, you know
what I'm saying, you still gotta pull back in and
show them like, hey man, there's a way to live,
like because you got to really think about it. Beyond
the Jays and the few people we know, ain't really
a lot of examples on how you do this and
(30:21):
continue to do it and how you evolve gracefully and
not get caught up. Ain't a lot of examples like that,
Like you don't got a lot to look at. So
to me, that's important because I feel like once you
feel like you hit the glass ceiling and I talk
about it in the in the Legend of the Snowman
Against All Odds interview that's coming out docuviewed's coming out Friday.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
What was it.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Three pm Eastern time on my YouTube. Yeah, with donal Lemon.
You know, we talk about those things because to me,
that's what's important and that's what's real, you know what
I'm saying, Like, music is always been a way to communicate,
you know what I'm saying, having some type of you know,
(31:08):
just some type of notoriety, you know what I'm saying,
Like you gotta stand for something, you know what I mean.
And it could be good or bad, that's on you,
but you gotta stand for something. And for me, like
the money's been made, the fun has been had, when
it's all said and done, what was what was it
really for? And I have to be honest, like I
(31:30):
wouldn't be where I'm at in my journey right now
if the coaching didn't give back to me and support
me like that, I wouldn't be able to go pay
for no therapy and you know, do all the things
that I need to do to get myself together. So
for me, I feel like I have to give back
because we was all in this together, you know what
I'm saying. So how can I give you Because if
I gave you the motivation and if I told you know,
(31:50):
gave you the recession and all these different projects, how
am I gonna get myself together and just leave you
out here at least not give you the information? You
know what I mean. I gotta give you a shot,
you know, you never know. I was talking to my
little cousin the other day. He was just talking to
me and he got to be about six years younger
than he was, Like, yeah, man, because you know my
boundaries and it messed my head. I'm like, tell me
about it. And he understood that, you know what I'm saying,
(32:12):
And we had a real conversation about that. But I
felt like he walked away and he had more information
than he did. But to me, like, that's better than
selling the record to me, because I don't know where
he gonna take that, you know what I'm saying, who
he gonna explain that to? And you know, my point
in case is this residency, this you know, these these interviews,
(32:38):
this docu view with Don Lemon, everything that is in
my path that I'm doing right now is because somebody
has to do something.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
What made you feel that you feel like the culture
doesn't care anymore? What gave you that feeling like I
don't feel like these artists care as much.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Or when money get in the quation everything, Jane, you
know what I'm saying. I'm not saying they wrong for
that because they've been through what they've been through, but
you know how I go, it's just like it's just
like anything. Just like once you get in it, you know,
the industry grabs a hold of you, and you running
the gun and you hustling, you hustling, you're doing everything
you could do to get it up. Do what you
gotta do. You're not looking back no more and saying
(33:25):
what's going on? You hear about it, and it's like,
there's no different than being in the street. It's like,
you know what I mean, people, I used to hear
about it on the weekend, you know such and such.
I'm like, damn, glad it ain't me. That's all I'm thinking.
You know what I'm saying, because I'm surviving. You know
what I'm saying. But now it's different. When I'm reading
TMZ and what I'm saying, I'm like, man, why would
he do that? It's crazy, it's crazy. He should set
(33:46):
up a boxing mans or something, man like anything.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
That's funny.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Because I always say you shouldn't judge people. I don't
judge nobody for what they doing there and survival. More
to your point, these niggas just doing y'all just waking.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Up doing it. And by the way, ain't nobody to
tell them different, becau they don't like one thing about it,
and I love all my you know, my little brothers.
You know, once once you become and not just to
say those, but like once you become the boss or
once you you know, become a million, because that's all
you really want. A million dollars after the tackles ain't nothing.
But at the end of the day, it's like, once
you get there, you can't really tell someone what they're
(34:20):
doing or try to help them. So you got to
kind of catch them on their way up because once
they get it, they don't They ain't trying to hear that.
And you know how I know I was the same way.
You know what I'm saying. Once I got on, I
ain't here what nobody was saying. You know what I'm saying.
I want to do it my way. I want to
go out here and you know, lead the way I
(34:41):
thought I was leading. You know what I'm saying. And
Tdj's asked me that one time and I just had
to really have a realization because it made me have
a flashback. He's like, Okay, well where you lead them to?
M hm.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
You know, so what responsibility to do?
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Artists have to evolve publicly win million people learn from them.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Because you've evolved publicly.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Well, I didn't really have a choice, like meaning like
like it had to be my reputation exceeded me. Like
so I couldn't, you know what I'm saying. I could
just show up a certain way, people like, yo, what's
up with your man? You know what I'm saying. So
I had to kind of make it known. But also
that was the big I'm gonna tell you, it's crazy,
like putting like that might I might forgive. I don't
(35:26):
forget that project. Putting my baby picture on there like
when I was young, it was a big step for me.
That's the most that's probably the most vulnerable pictures I had.
I did that for myself because I would have never
shown nobody that picture. But that was a part of healing,
you know what I'm saying. I had to put that
out there because it's like that's a little jay And
for me, that was intentional. But that doesn't mean the
(35:48):
music had to be great. That was the process of
it that did something for me, right, But going forward,
as I started to do other things, I've been intentional
about it because you got to understand, I'm showing up
to me as the people who respect me for being
a certain way, you know what I'm saying, And you're saying, yeah,
but this is who I am now and you're hoping
(36:09):
they understand. So that's that's like the process, because you
could lose it all, Like they can wake up and
be like, you know what, I'm good or you it's
somebody else out there just doing that. So I think
the responsibility ain't for the artists, the responsibilities for the man.
Who's the man? You know, we all can put shades
on change watches. You know what I'm saying about? Who
(36:31):
is the man? Who are you when nobody else is looking?
So that's why I'm met with.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
So are we going to get back to the show
kind of think there's a bit on this new round
of shows. I know you just added by eleven more.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, eleven more days.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, along gonna make it out to
any of them.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
I mean, she's invited, We're gonna invite her again. You
got a formal invite.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Everybody update with.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
A couple.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
It was the first interview and then you was like,
we were right to think that there was a little
ris happening there, but you were just very respectful yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I think I asked that last.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:11):
So look when you say you got three X is
broken down, it's a three x the man.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
The legend is that three different suits.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
No, okay, do you bet?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Do you be high? Absolutely? It's Vegas. Okay, no, no,
don't let you die. You know what I'm saying. I
have to say.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
When you do something like at eleven more shows, right,
I remember I talked to you when you first revealed
everything the residence he was happening, and uh, we were
talking about how people didn't believe that hip hop with
the orchestra or rap with the orchestra would even work.
Speaker 5 (37:48):
And now you're added eleven more shows.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, eleven more dates, so it's twenty two dates. Now,
make sure you come out to play in Hollywood, Las Vegas,
Nevada for the residency. The legend of the snow Man again.
I think it's you know, you got Adam Blackstone, you
got Dereck Hodges, you got the Color of Noise Orchestra,
you got DJ A, she got DJ Drama together. That's
that's that's that's everything. You know what I'm saying, that's
(38:12):
like high low culture. This that and the Derek Hodge
is like a modern day Miles Davis. Like you know
what I'm saying, Adams way past talented. But it's just like,
you know, like you're saying eleven more dates because a
lot of the culture on my side didn't know who
they were. Wow, and now getting a chance to experience
(38:33):
this and see them, you know what I'm saying. You
know what they have been like to go see Miles
Davis play live. You know what I'm saying. It's just
like you're getting to see that. And I had explained
that to people. Just like the first time I ever
saw orchestra or been to an orchestra show was when
I performed with the orchestra in Atlanta. You know what
I'm saying, the first time ever, I didn't even know
what to expect, no, because I had never been to
(38:55):
an orchestra. So just like, I want to do this,
So I went into it and I'm like, I'm gonna
do it, and I knew I just had to know
my part.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
That's crazy.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
You go from never even seeing the orchestra performing one,
breaking a Guinness Book of World Record for performer one
and now adding eleven.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
More dates when they told you whatn't work? So you're
self funded.
Speaker 6 (39:11):
Yeah, that's like a crazy journk Like everything with you
was just like we get to watch this journey right
when I look.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
At it, No different than you know, when they kept saying,
you know, street guy could make it and wrap and
I was by my mom make c these and passing
them out, and everybody thought I was crazy, Like why
would you get the music away for free? Here we
are twenty five years later. You know what I'm saying,
It all makes sense. But you know, my my, my
biggest message to anybody out there, man like living your
(39:39):
purpose and you know, if nobody believes you, you know,
just bet on yourself, because that's what it's really about.
You know what I'm saying. It's just like these people
ain't sending spaceships in the you know, in the in
the space you know, because they waiting on the government.
They betting on themselves. I don't know what they're trying
to figure out, but they betting on themselves. And I
look at the and I go, no matter what level
(40:02):
or step on the ladder, you are, you know, invest like,
bet on yourself. Because when you bet on yourself, you
don't have all these cooks or chefs in the kitchen
try and tell you what you can't do or what
you shouldn't be doing. And when you're dealing with these
corporations or you know, just anybody that's entangled in your stuff,
(40:27):
if they're giving you the money first, they gonna want
some say so and they're not gonna see your vision.
And my thing is just like it ain't even about
the shows. I'm more so like we putting our foot
down in Vegas. Man, we bringing culture to I bet
they've never seen that in a while. You know what
I'm saying. When you come out that hotel and you
(40:48):
see all them brothers and sisters dressed to the nines
and taking pictures and walking across the street to go
to that venue. Even when I'm going on my way,
I look every night and I'm just like, this is crazy.
And I know my fans, you know, so shout out
to my day one. I need to pull up. You
know what I'm saying. But these are people I've never
seen before. These are adult like, working class people that
(41:09):
got a ticket because he wanted to bring his wife
and you know it was the girl's trip.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
And all that, but you don't know where they was
at twenty years ago, because twenty years ago, we wouldn't
have thought you was on stage and a suit looking
like that.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Well, what I'm saying is, you know, I've been doing
this long enough that I can look in the crowd.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
See oh you like recognize people.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, I've been doing Yeah, I think I've been doing
this almost twenty seven years. I know. But they there.
But I'm saying, but these are a lot of people
that I haven't seen before, you know what I'm saying,
And probably people that wouldn't come to you know, some
of these shows because of the places that they were in.
You know what I'm saying. I'm saying it's like you know.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
You you uh oprahdun for real.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Go do that. But now it's like Okay, now I
call with my wife, I can call my girl, you know,
I'm come over with the guys whatever, and it's a
it's a real vibe, you know what I'm saying. So
it's just like in the destination, like you come, you might,
you know, get the pool, go out whatever. Whatever. That's
different than showing up as a club to see somebody.
You know what I'm saying. You know you from South
Carolina and we were coming down there to go to club.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
I remember if I got Fatcy g at the main
event in Columbia, South Carolina. This is when Trappa Died
wasn't even out yet, you and Big Country Can and
it was like one hundred people in that show. But
then by the time Trapper Died came out maybe six
months later, that same club had three thousand people on
the inside and probably another thousand trying.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
To get it with a whole different energy back then
with nobody playing either. That's all I'm saying. But you know,
for me, you know, I really want to invite everybody
to come out to Las Vegas, Nevada, come to see
the Legend of the Snowman. It's not it's not just
a show. This is an experience. And I mean that wholeheartedly.
(42:54):
And I invite everybody to watch the Legend of the
Snowman against All Odds fry three pm Eastern time on
my YouTube and uh to sit down with me and
my guy Don Lemon, and it's deep, it's dope, and
it's real. And you know, we're gonna keep pushing Koja.
We're gonna keep pushing purpose, and we're gonna keep pushing peace.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
One last thing, man, since you're being so vulnerable and
so transparent, why don't you put out the conversation that
we had several years ago we went to hawks and
you from the from the ride because you pick you
up from the airport, from the ride to the airport,
the Hawkingsville and then just walking around meeting Auntie and
all that. You was like, nah, this was too much
and you didn't want to put the whole thing out.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Welly not now, well I can put it out now
some statute of lilimitations. People were talking to.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
People that we were talking to, like, man, Auntie a
movie man.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Yeah, man, shout out to my man. Yeah, I love
her to death. And may no, shout out to you
for even coming down there, bro, like that that was big.
You know. You know, I'm like, I was a legend
already and I brought Charlamagne to the hood. Everybody's great
about this. But also, man, shout out to you guys
for Netflix. When you talk about evolving, man evolved. You
know what I'm saying and what I would say to y'all.
(44:12):
You know, if I could leave you in any words,
you know, everybody's gonna have an opinion, you know, what
I'm saying. That's how it is in the beginning. But
you know, once you get to where it needs to be,
that we can have another conversation about this, because y'all
the first to crack that cold baby. That ain't that
ain't no, that ain't for play. You know what I'm saying.
That ain't for play, Jez. We appreciate you for joining
us always.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yes, yes, in Vegas. I'm going out there for Vegas.
I can't wait to see the show. Yes, I'm excited,
and I need you guys because I'm listening. Then after
the day, you guys, I want to hear your.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
The breakdown, real revision.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
You'll need to We all came to Atlanta one time
we broadcast was it a night or Yeah?
Speaker 1 (44:54):
We did? We did it. It was frankskys uh, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
That was I love a good family.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
We can figure out all dressed up and broadcastling in
and then that, and we can figure out it's the
breakfast club.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
It's jeezy already, love baby, hold up every day.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
A week ago, wake your glass up.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
The breakfast Club.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
You don't finish with y'all. Dune
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