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November 19, 2025 34 mins

On the Early Edition with Ryan Bridge Full Show Podcast Thursday the 20th of November 2025, New Cook Strait ferries are set to arrive in 2029, Ferry Holdings Limited Chair Chris Mackenzie tells Ryan how the government managed to save $2.3 billion dollars. 

A ERO report shows the cellphone ban is working but half of high school students aren't following the rules, Whangapaeroa College Principal and B416 expert advisory panel member Steve McCracken shares his thoughts. 

The Government's banned puberty blocker prescriptions for new patients, Sue Bagshaw, Senior Clinical Lecturer at the Christchurch School of Medicine at the University of Otago Christchurch tells Ryan how big of a impact this will have. 

Plus US Correspondent Toni Waterman has the latest on the Epstein files and Nicki Minaj publicly backing Trump's allegations that Christians face persecution in Nigeria. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The issues, the interviews and the insight. Ryan Bridge on
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
It'd be good morning. Great to be back with you.
It's Thursday. Coming up on the show Fairy Costs with
Fiery Holdings, We'll go to the US to the latest
on EPSTEIN. The files. That is, it turns out the
phone band here in New Zealand and schools is working
interesting numbers on that and the puberty blockers' look at
that two six after five The agenda Thursday, the twenty

(00:32):
third November. Epstein Bill noun Trump's hands SUT's passed through
both Houses of Congress.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
This is an issue that the President wants to move
off of his table as quickly as possible, especially seeing
as how in some recent tweets on social media and
messages he's put out in the media that he wants
Republicans to really focus on what he sees as legis
leader of accomplishments and on getting prices down. And so
presumably the White House could push this thing to the

(00:59):
next phase as quickly as passed.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
And did you hear what happened in the White house yesterday.
You had been Salmon there from the Saudi Crown Prince
and they were talking about Jamal Kashoji, who obviously was killed,
and the US intelligence said it may or may not
have been at the direction of Ben Salmon.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Who you were. You're with fake NEWSBCU, fake news, one
of them. As far as this gentleman is concerned, he's
done a phenomenal job. You're mentioning somebody that was extremely controversial.
A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're
talking about, whether you like him or didn't like him.
Things happened, but he knew nothing about it, and we

(01:37):
can leave it at that. You don't have to embarrass
our guests by asking a question like that.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Let's go to the UK. So this is on the
border of UK waters, on the edge of UK waters.
The Russians are firing lasers at RAF pilots who are
monitoring their activities. This is on the Yanta entered UK
waters for the second time this year.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
So our message to Russia and to put In is this,
we see you, we know what you're doing, and if
the Jantar troubles south this.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Week, we are ready.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
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Speaker 2 (02:18):
You that sounded ominous, didn't it? What exactly are they
ready for? What are they going to do? What does
that threat mean? Nine two and number text just gone
eight minutes after five. Now we've had a couple of
awards in the last few days, which to me don't
make a lot of sense. I mean, unless you accept
that they're basically just They're not really awards, they're just

(02:39):
gimmick gongs, which is probably what they are. One of
them was for smoking, and one of them was for
climate change, you know, at the meeting at cop Over
in Brazil where fifty thousand wannabes jump on a plane
and use adgas to fly to or a place to
talk about climate change and then achieve nothing. That thing
they gave us the Fossil of the Day award. Now,

(03:01):
this is interesting because wouldn't someone like Trump get it,
or China or India or one of the bigger missions. No,
we got it, apparently, and because of our methane changes.
But if you look at our numbers, our emissions for
New Zealand have gone down in the last year. So
why are we getting a fossil award? Because they don't
like the coalition government. That's why another one we got yesterday,

(03:24):
This is the ash Tray of the Dirty ash Tray award.
And who did we get this award from? Well, a
meeting of parties to the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control
in Geneva. Honestly how boring. But this again flies in
the face of the numbers. Smoking rates have reduced to
six point eight percent. Smoking rates for fifteen to twenty

(03:46):
four year olds is three point two percent. That's down
from nearly twenty about thirteen years ago. Casey Costelli put
a thing out on this yesterday and the third lowest
smoking rate in the OECD. So why do we get
this award? Why do we get this gimmick gong. Well,
because they don't like the Coalition government and that there's

(04:07):
been headlines and I think this is what these awards
go on, is just headlines and vibes and fuels those
changes that they made to tax breaks for headed to
tobacco products. The headline is subsidy for tobacco industry. Well, actually,
what it's doing is getting people off darts and darts
are worse than vapes, and darts are worse than anything

(04:29):
else that you could put in your mouth, basically when
it comes to smoking products. So I don't know. Do
we listen to these awards? No, we don't. Ten minutes
after five, Bryan Bredge Now the cook Straight Fairies a
couple of questions for ferry holdings this morning. They're on
the show just before six o'clock. So they've put in
here some costs for upgrading. So the ships are five
hundred and ninety six million dollars, thank you very much.

(04:50):
The picked in works they say will cost five hundred
and thirty one million dollars and the Wellington side will
be three hundred and twenty five million dollars. How have
they come up with those? Because that's this part of it.
Remember the costs blowout the eighty percent that was on
the land side infrastructure, the port, not the fairies themselves.

(05:10):
So how they got these numbers? Are we confident in
these numbers? And who's going to do the contract. We'll
look at puberty blockers. Next, news talk semb.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
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Speaker 2 (05:30):
Five thirteen at five twenty five, I have more on
the new numbers on the economy out this morning. Confidence up.
This is asb's investor confidence survey for quarter three. Confidences
up nine percent. Net investor confidence now ten percent. That's
up from one percent last quarter. Big pickup. Auckland up
to sixteen percent. And it's interesting what's happening with the

(05:50):
perceptions of what's a good investment, what's not a good investment.
People used to say property one hundred percent, yap, let's
go for it, and sure that is still the number one,
but it's now property. The perception of property as a reliable,
you know, return on investment is now its lowest point
since twenty fifteen, which I think reflects the fact that

(06:11):
house prices haven't been going anywhere or going south, while
stock markets have been going up. And young people wait
for this under thirty surveyed very focused on the stock markets.
Confidence has lifted significantly over the pass quarter, jumping to
twenty one percent compared to thirteen percent in the previous quarter.
Gen Z loves the stock, loves the shears. It's fourteen

(06:34):
after five yan Bridge governments banned puberty block abscriptions for
new patients. It's under eighteen's those who are transgender. Ban
comes into effect from the nineteenth and December last until
the UK finishes clinical trials into the drugs. They say
this is about safety. Dame Sue Bagshaw is School of Medicine,
University of Otago, christ Church. Dame Sue, good morning, Good morning,

(06:57):
Good to have you on the show. Are these drugs safe?

Speaker 6 (07:01):
Well, the experience we've had so far of the last
ten twenty years has been that they're very safe, They're reversible,
and I think obviously we always need to be aware
of safety. We always need to be aware of the
pros and cons of any medicine we've prescribed. But it

(07:21):
seems sad that politicians get involved in something that really
should be a health issue.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Is the health issue being sorted though? I mean, are
we giving out drugs that aren't safe? Why it was
the UK doing this study into the safety of them.
Why are our bureaucrats saying we can't say that they
are safe.

Speaker 6 (07:42):
That's a very good question and I wondered about myself
because we have no evidence either way. What we do
we have some evidence so that they're pretty safe and
we have had no disasters so far, compared with things
like aspirin, which is pretty unsafe and you can buy
that over the counter. So, you know, I think it's

(08:05):
a it's a worry that we're getting political influences on
what could be a very life saving medicine.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
So the Ministry of Education, the sorry, the Ministry of
Health here in New Zealand, the UK, you know, the NHS.
The concerns that have been raised by government bureaucrats around
the world. You're saying they're being politicized.

Speaker 6 (08:33):
I do gender is a social construct and I think
social influences are being brought to there names.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Sue Bergshaw, appreciate your time. This morning, School of Medicine
at the University of Antigo, christ Church. It's sixteen after
five News talks are.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
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Speaker 2 (09:00):
Y Kirston, Good morning to you. Kirston disagrees with what
Sue Bagshaw just told us. Ryan children shouldn't be given
puberty blockers. I agree with the government on this one.
They aren't saying they won't be available just when these
kids are eighteen or over. In fact, they're not even
saying that. They're saying they will be available if proven
safe by this UK study to those under the age
of eighteen. So it's not even as bad as perhaps

(09:22):
you thought. Now nineteen minutes after five, brad Olsen Informetrics
have released their quarterly economic monitor. This is for the
regions and shows you which regions are doing well, which
regions aren't doing well. Activity overall up point nine percent
they reckon for September, but down half a percent over

(09:43):
the twelve months to September twenty twenty five. All regions
of the South Island are growing faster than the national
average primary sector thank you. Metro areas are starting to
recover as well. This is the story you want to hear,
collectively gaining zero point seven percent dent annually for the
September quarter, It's twenty up to five.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Bullying is down, classroom learning is up and who do
we have to think? What do we have to think?
Banning the cell phones? The ERA report out today shows
the cell phone ban is working. However, it also found
half of high school students aren't following the rules. Steve
mccrack and fung up to a college principal and before
sixteen expert advisory panel. Mement joins me, Now, Steve, good morning,

(10:27):
good morning, right, good to have you on the show.
So this is working?

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Yeah, absolutely. I mean we saw an instant I suppose
you call it from our students as we implemented the ban.
It changed things in our school overnight. And it's glad
to see the reports highlighted that as well in.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Your school because it talks in the report about teachers
not enforcing the ban and if the best thing you
can do to have the band be effective is to
enforce it, do you have teachers who don't enforce it.

Speaker 5 (10:56):
We look, our staff are amazing in terms of being
able to force things, and I think that comes down
to having solid systems in place for each school. I
know that teachers have individual opinions and things, but this
is a mandated thing from our government and you see
from the report that it's working as.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Well, Steve, is what happens is it just in the
classroom and the learning where behavior is getting better, or
does it spill over into other you know, into the playground.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
It schools over everywhere. I mean you've phone free from
the time you enter the school gate to the time
you leave. So yeah, everything's improved in terms of this
particular initiative from the government, and it's been really positive rightan,
But I'm supposed the biggest concern that we see is,
you know, at the end of each school day in
across any school in the country, as you're driving past,
I'm sure you'll be able to see them automatically reach

(11:44):
down and try and get that instant social media or
phone facts as they're walking out the school gate at
three thirty every day.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, which I mean is going to happen the smart watches.
When did this happen? Everyone was like, oh, they'll just
get smart watches and they'll get laptops and they'll do
is that way? Are you seeing that? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (12:03):
And I think that's come through in the report as well,
hasn't it. It's that's possibly the next iteration where you know,
students aren't stupid and they really do want to stay connected,
and I get that, but yeah, the smart watches, the
ability to connect via their laptops or chromebox or whatever,
it is still a possible issue that schools are facing

(12:24):
as well.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
And Steve, when you know, when it comes to why
who they're messaging? Are they messaging each other? Because it
says in the report a lot of the kids reckon
they're messaging their family. Do you reckon that's just to
be as you know, I'm messaging my mom like it's
a lie? Or are they actually in which case, what
are the parents doing?

Speaker 5 (12:40):
Well, that's a fantastic question, Ryan, But I think that
the students are pretty honest and the one and from
what I understand it is a bit of parent education
needed as well just around. You know, kids are safe
at school and they're doing pretty well at school, as
the report finds as well, and you know, there is
some education needed possibly around on how to connect or

(13:01):
communicate with their students during the school day. But I
mean most schools, I think all the schools that I've
spoken to in particular, have solid systems in place where
if a parent needs to contact the student during the day,
they call the office and the message goes through to them.
But yeah, it's still a need I suppose for parents
in the report that says we still want to connect

(13:22):
with our kids. But yeah, the phone free during the day.
You're seeing your kid up to fail if that happens.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Steve mccrack and Fungapo College principle, appreciate your time this
morning twenty three after five, Bryan Bridge, just do you
need to have constant contact with your children? Just leave
them alone? Are there to learn and you can see
them after school? What is wrong with people? Very quickly,
this is mam Nami over in New York. He's now
fundraising because he's finished the campaign. Obviously he's won, he's
the mayor of New York City, but he still wants

(13:50):
more money. Wants four million American dollars.

Speaker 7 (13:52):
A lot of these things are here. One of them
is pretty odd funds. Well, why are we find raising? Well,
we have less than fifty d's until we take We
have a lot to do. We have to vet the
fifty thousand resumes we've received, thank you. We have to
keep paying our incredible team, thank you, and we have
to plan not to start inauguration. But our policy implementation now,
unlike the campaign, transitions do not get public matching funds

(14:14):
from the city. So that eight to one match gone.
It's up to us to resume money.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Ye, So he wants four million dollars for goodness to
go through a bunch of resumes. I mean, honestly, I
thought this was about public service. Twenty four after five
the early.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
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Speaker 2 (14:34):
Five twenty six on your Thursday morning. We've got a
bunch of new economic numbers this morning. Recovery is underway finally.
We've had a few false storms before, as you know,
so I'm not going to overcook this, but things are
moving in the right direction. Investor confidence is up for
quarter three. Most regions are now getting a slice of
the recovery action, not just the provinces. This is according

(14:54):
to Informetrics this morning. What's most interesting is investor confidence
led by Auckland there is up quite a bit, and
they're not worrying so much about all the dramatic headlines
from Trump. They're basically shrugging them off. And our attitudes
to different types of investments are changing. The proportion of
us who see owning your own home as the best
investment is now at its lowest level since twenty fifteen,

(15:18):
and young people are loving the stocks, which is no surprise.
The SMP's up almost fourteen percent this year. House prices
are falling off flat, which might help explain why the
mood on capital gains seems to have shifted a little bit.
But here's the thing with the capital gains. It will
not lower house prices. It will not fix the structural deficit. Yes,

(15:41):
it will provide tax revenue for doctor's visits. Sure, but
can those doctors' visits be delivered or just advertised in
some brochure like key we build? And to those who
are enjoying success with stocks, congratulations, your gains aren't taxed? Property?
Is the Canarian the coal mine? Surely it's a warning
of more to come. Give a politician an inch and

(16:03):
they will take a mile. Look at the fundamentals of this.
The capital gains tax won't fix the stuff you would
expect it to fix, and still leaves the state short
of revenue. So they will eventually, sure, as night follows day,
come for something else, and that's something else will be
whatever's popular in this case today, stocks bread rich News

(16:27):
Talk twenty eight minutes after five. Did you hear Trump
yesterday in the House, sorry, in the Oval office talking
to reporters and he called one of them piggy. Quiet. Now,
I'll just play that one more time in case you
didn't get it, give you a second. Quiet Quiet is quiet?

(16:49):
Quiet Peggy? Now the woman. I haven't actually googled the
woman he was talking to, but I'm assuming it's a
Bloomberg reporter. But I'm assuming that they were maybe a
little on the heavy aside. I'm oh, she's not McKenzie
say terrible or something. She's hot, says okay, so she's not.

(17:09):
So why was he calling her piggy in the first place? Yeah, exactly,
this is great updates from Kensey. In my ear, he
was going at her, But why piggy particular? Anyway, people
are saying it's a sexist thing. And if you go
back and look at his especially on the campaign trail,
he used to call men piggies all the time, lazy

(17:29):
pigs lying on the couch. He'd say to the wives,
get your lazy peg husbands off the couch and out
to vote. So is it a sexist thing? Well, I
don't know. Disney Mason like it was an accurate insult.
Whose talks a Big.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
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Speaker 2 (17:56):
US talks it b good barding one from the Thursday,
twenty four minutes away from six on News Talks, they'd
be fairy holdings on the cost of those ferries across
the cook Straight before six, we'll head to the US
as well for the latest on Epstein and Nicki Minaj.
This is the singer of this song, singer, rapper, rapper,

(18:18):
singer whatever. She has come out in support of Donald
Trump because he you know, he's made all these allegations
about Christians facing persecution, being murdered at the hands of
g Hardy's in Nigeria. Well, Nicki Minaj is all over
it too.

Speaker 8 (18:32):
In Nigeria, Christians are being targeted, driven from their homes
and killed. Churches have been burned, families have been torn apart,
and entire communities live in fair constantly simply because of
how they pray.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Tony Waterman's our US correspondent, will speak to Tony at
quarter two. Ryan bread Sho show to our reporters around
the country. Now, Calums and dned and first Calum, good
morning morning right wine from a Central Otago winery being
named as one of the world's most exciting wines of
the year here.

Speaker 9 (19:10):
This is according to the Wine Spectator, which is renownd
to be the world's leading authority on the beveridgets pronounced
burn Cottage, Moonlight Race, Peno Noir as one of its
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(19:33):
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It began in two thousand and two. They say the
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Speaker 2 (19:45):
Good on them. How's your weather.

Speaker 9 (19:48):
It's pretty good fine again today high cloud increasing nor
easterly is twenty three.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
The high cheers callum and clear and christ Church clear,
Good morning, Good morning. You got the Buscus Festival.

Speaker 10 (19:58):
Yes, well, it's a pretty here in christ Church to
have the World Baskets Festival, and we had the new
season of it launched yesterday. January will mark thirty three
years of street performers here in christ Church. There are
ten days of entertainment coming that come right into the
heart of the city for the christ Church gen Z Organization.
Head of Major Events Karina Finney, says this festival brings vibrancy,

(20:21):
fun creativity to what is really a sport focused calendar year. Here,
she says, they are expecting to entertain more than one
hundred thousand people and it will generate six hundred thousand
dollars in visitor spend.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Okay, how's your weather?

Speaker 10 (20:36):
Scattered showers should clear as anytime now then we'll be fine. Southwesterly,
turning northeast at a high twenty six last one clear.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Thank you Max and Wellington hamaxod morning. Tory Faro's off
to Melbourne. Yeah, just a quick note. Thanks for the memories.

Speaker 11 (20:49):
You're on your own. Tory Fino, one term mayor of Wellington,
failed council candidates this year, clearly loves the city so
much she's leaving practically immediately after the end of her tenure.
She did flag this to our newsroom that she might
leave last month and told us in pretty straight terms
that she reckoned she could make more money in ours.
That'd be easier to find a job. She can put
her extensive political ambitions on ice for now, but in

(21:12):
a new LinkedIn post, she's more so blaming the intensity
of political life in New Zealand as the reason she's moving,
also blaming the government's public sector cuts one final indirect
crack at the media as well, who I think she'll
always harbor a deep seated blame for regarding her plummeting reputation.
So she's off to Melbourne probably early next year. Meanwhile,

(21:33):
the city Council meets properly for the first time today,
their first meeting. They've all been putting on happy faces,
so we'll see how.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Long that lasts. All right, mix, how's your weather in.

Speaker 11 (21:43):
A morning cloud, isolated showers, otherwise mainly fine, twenty the high.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
All right, thank you. Inneva and Auknava, good morning, Good morning.
So tell me about I was reading the story yesterday
and just getting angrier and angrier about all contransport.

Speaker 12 (21:56):
I knew you would, Yeah, because you've had your own
little wee woes, haven't you.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
I have it with with a parking fine and the
parking fine.

Speaker 12 (22:03):
So look, this is a victory. So this is this
Auckland driver fine for following police orders and he's got
a refund. So that's the good news. So what's happened
is that he began fighting aucland Transport. This is to
waive a one hundred and fifty dollars fine for driving
in a bus lane. Police told him to do this
because what had happened was at last month's police they
were redirecting traffic not far from here, actually in the CBD,

(22:27):
there was a three vehicle crash last month resulted in
the closure of Victoria Street West. So Raoul the motorist,
he was driving away and then police were redirecting people
and then they see to him, look rush hour off,
you go, you can go through this, you know, bus lane.
And he did that. He got a fine. And so
what he did was that he provided the police incident

(22:49):
number when he was disputing it, and then at rejected
the disputancy. They didn't give a clear reason why, but
w no, you've got to pay. You've got to pay
one hundred and fifty dollars.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
And then only where the media gets involved, yes, the media,
the Herald got bugs. And also but even once they
did reverse it eventually, once the Herald got involved, they
still put in the statement. They said, well, yes he
did go and he went in the bus lane, and
it was because of the police. But there was an
opportunity for him to turn out of the bus lane

(23:20):
earlier than he did. Honestly, he didn't. He didn't plan
to go down there. The police send him down there.
There was an accident. Just get off his case.

Speaker 12 (23:29):
A bunch of yes really ripped your ninety A weather okay, party,
cloudy hive have twenty two.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
No, it's going to beautiful today, Yes it is. And
the city of Sales twenty sorry, eighteen minutes away from
from six o'clock now in Nvidia today is reporting, so
we'll get those results today world's biggest company of course
by market cap. And we will also tonight our time,
get that September jobs report out of the US after
the shutdown, while they're open again. The bureaucrats are back,

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You know the Natural Hazards levy. That's part of when

(25:04):
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the natural hazards levy. It covers you if there's a
natural disaster in theory for your land now that needs
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Speaker 2 (25:41):
Go the UITs with Tony Waterman are US correspondence Tony.
The ball on the Epstein files now in Trump's court.

Speaker 13 (25:48):
Yeah, So the Senate earlier today has sent this so
called Epstein Transparency Act to the White House, and officials
there are saying that the President is going to sign
it as soon as it hits it. So we are
expecting that this is going to become law today. But
what is not known at this point is just how
quickly the Justice Department will release the documents. They have

(26:10):
this thirty day window from when Trump signs the bill,
but Democrats certainly want these documents released immediately, and there's
a lot of questions on what these files are going
to actually look like, how much information is going to
be included, which names are going to be included, how
much is it going to be redacted? Will everything be

(26:30):
released or is the DOJ going to say that certain
files can't be made public due to ongoing investigations. President
Trump just the other week had called for the DOJ
to investigate democrats linked to Jeffrey Epstein like former President
Bill Clinton.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Now Nicki Mina asked very quickly, why is she getting
involved with the Nigeria situation.

Speaker 13 (26:56):
Yeah, so she was at the United Nations the other
day or yesterday actually speaking on this issue, sort of
repeating President Trump's contested claims that Christians are being systematically
persecuted in Nigeria. She gave this five minute speech and
in this speech she really warned of deadly threats faced

(27:18):
by Christians in the country. And she also praised President
Trump for highlighting this issue because earlier this month, Trump
threatened to deploy US troops to Nigeria, in his words,
guns ablazing to end what he is claiming is this
mass slaughter of Christians at the hands of Islamist insurgents,
I mean Nigeria has been fighting the sixteen year war

(27:40):
against Bokoharam and Islamic State and tens of thousands of
people have been killed. But the independent Conflict Monitoring Group
AKHLED says that only a small percentage of the attacks
have been religiously motivated and that both Christians and Muslims
have been targeted in these attacks. But she is coming
out out saying that she wants Christians to be defended,

(28:04):
to be protected in Nigeria.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Appreciate your time. Tony Wadom and our US correspondent eleven
away from six Chairry announcement. Bit light on detail about
the land side construction costs. That's the part that blew
out acourse some of the original Irex project. Not the
cost of the vessels themselves. Winston Peters reckons overall will
save two point three billion bucks or thereabouts. Chris McKenzie
is chair of Ferry Holdings Limited with me this morning. Chris,

(28:28):
Good morning, good morning. So do we have any where
have those estimates come from for the infrastry, you know,
the land side infrastructure.

Speaker 14 (28:37):
We have done a considerable amount of work with both
Picton and Wellington. We have identified as as probably you've
seen the chart no doubt of the drawing to the
two ports. We have determined the cost of the wharf
that's being demolished and then replaced in Pecton, so we

(28:58):
have a rough costing of that. We have a rough
costing now of the other what's called the nesting structure
where the fairies are reverse into and we are going
out shortly again with a rough costing on the link
spans both in Wellington and Picton, and just as an aside,

(29:20):
that's one of the ways in which we are making
some savings. We're now going to have link spans in
Wellington and Picton which are essentially the same, whereas previously
under IRAQX there's a link span being built for Picton
and there's a link spand being built for Wellington. So
we are saving some money by getting identical link spans

(29:40):
in both Victon and Wellington.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
It's all of it boo tricky, But the cost of them,
I mean you're saying rough costs and people at home
will be going, oh, well, I've heard this before, because
remember how much this project was meant to cost to
begin with, and then what it was going to end
up costing, and most of that was landside of eighty
percent of it was chewed up by land side. So
how you know, how come and how we look.

Speaker 14 (30:02):
I think I am more confident than we were with Irax.
And the reason I can say that is we have
identified exactly what is the work we are doing in
both Wellington and Pickton. The ports have agreed with that work.
And therefore one of IREX's issues was we're going to

(30:23):
put a temporary wolf here. Oh, we'll need to do
this in roading, and we'll have to shift the rail
yard here and there and so forth. In this project,
because we're using a maximum reuse, we don't have to
shift railway yards, we don't have to shift roading. All
we are doing is building the structure for the wharves

(30:44):
that the vessels will come in the existing rail yards,
and Pickton and Wellington will need to be just tweaked
where they connect with the new vessels, and apart from that,
we're not diverging from that at all. So we have
a set engineering project in both Wellington and Pickton, and

(31:05):
as a board we are not going to deviate from that.
You still be people who say, oh, yeah, but if
we put this over here, we could do such and such.
We are not going down that track. We are going
exactly as the plans that were in that release yesterday
and nothing else.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Chris appreciate it and hopefully we will see this thing
getting off the ground soon. The Ferry's not coming till
twenty twenty nine, Chris McKenzie, Chair of Ferry Holdings Limited.
It's eight to six News Talks here b. Mike's here, next.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
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Speaker 2 (31:44):
Fall than one News Talks' B sixty six was interesting
listening to Faerry Holding's share just then about what the
costs are going, well, what they think the cost will
be do they actually know? Though lots of text on
this Andy says run A lot of the piling in
Wellington won't now be needed to be done for the
new birth because the ships are much smaller, which is true,
and there's a lot of earthquake stuff that had to
be done because they were bigger ships, and now we

(32:05):
have smaller ships. Even though they're more expensive, smaller ships,
they will be cheaper to park. Five to six now
and Mike's here for the coming three hours. Mike, good morning.

Speaker 15 (32:19):
Have you been at this game? So he's here for
the the same every day. Ryan, that's the breakfast show
six or one.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
You look, you look quite depressed. Three hours. It's just this.

Speaker 15 (32:30):
One of the things that holds us back in this
country is this myopic obsession we have with with with
sort of detail. I mean, so what happened was he's
gone and got two ships. Problem solved. He saved us
some money beginning middle an end, right. The ships are
bigger than the ones we have currently.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
But not bigger than the ones we were going to get.
We never got those. No, we never got that.

Speaker 15 (32:52):
It's like saying, look, I was going to bring in
sixteen Titanics.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Never happened. What's the point.

Speaker 15 (32:57):
Yeah, but it's what never happened doesn't matter the problem.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
I don't care about any of that. The only thing
I care about is they've said it's going to cost
X y Z for them. That's saying for everything, no exactly,
which has buildings. But that's how we got in the
situation in the first place. It wasn't the cost of
the ferries. That's not the point. The point is the infrastructure.
They believe the cost.

Speaker 15 (33:18):
I don't believe the cost that they say in this
country at the start of a project on anything, because
the record shows that there are very few, if any
projects that we've ever entered to see r Els classic example,
up at six billions started.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
At two and a half. So if this project ends
up costing more than the I REX project, that would
be hugely embarrassing.

Speaker 15 (33:37):
No, because the I REX project, because it never happened.
You don't know it got to four point two on
the est what would it have been. Don't know what
I'm saying. I'm not enjoying you, Ryan, I'm not enjoying
you this morning. We'll talk a bit about that the way.
The other question is all the vaping and the smoking.
Why is the government involved in that? You know, when
we go, if you decide to smoke, called bath, isn't

(34:01):
that your choice?

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Is your tice? You know what I'm saying, It is
your truth. And there's bugger all left are doing it?
Six point eight percent. All right, I've got to breakfast
show start. Hopefully you'll enjoy me tomorrow. Have a great
day everyone.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
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