April 26, 2024 • 34 mins
In the second hour, leading up to the NFL Draft beginning at 5pm, Dave Softy Mahler and Dick Fain are joined by Mike Holmgren and Hugh Millen to talk about Michael Penix at the next level, Ryan Grubb's impact on Seahawks' decisions, the need for help on the defensive line, and Chicago's #1 pick.
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Round one of the NFL Draft atfive o'clock tonight, Nick sheared, and
might be my new favorite radio guest. By the way, after he put
you in your spot, Hey,last segment, that was beautiful. You
threw up a hypothetic all right,I mean, what do you want?
You want a guy that can throwthe post ride a guy you can throw
the curl, right, Look,I can't have both, Okay, I
think this there's a reason why MichaelPennix is not going to be a top
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you know, the first player inthe draft. I'll just say that.
And it's not just because of theinjuries. If he had never been injured,
right, I don't think he'd be. He might be in the discussion.
But if he's not number one,then you say, okay, is
there something that is less than perfectabout him? Right? And so I'm
just trying to have real Like ifI work for Mike, and Mike said,
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you go out and you scout MichaelPennix, and I want you to
come back in thirty days with adetailed report and tell me about his strength
and his weaknesses. Well, afterthirty days, I'd come back and on
my evaluation, I would say oneof the things that is less than ideal
is his anticipatory throws over the middle. There's times where I where the processing
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I think the ball needs to comeout, and some of those are on
completions, but I don't like thetiming because I want him to see that
window. It's a big window.I want the ball out of his hands,
and I see that more in themiddle of the field. And by
the way of the other quarterbacks,who are the other five quarterbacks who may
go in the first round, theirnumbers between the the their stats between the
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numbers is between fifty three and sixtythree percent, highlighted by J. J.
McCarthy. He's tops at sixty threepercent of his his attempts are between
the numbers. Pennix is the lowlow, by far, lower than any
of them at forty seven percent.He's brilliant outside, there's some questions inside.
So that's what I would report toMike Conger. I'm seeing your wheels
turning. Yeah, I think,I think, you know what I think.
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Hugh has a good point. Honestly, you know you have you you
have to be able to your quarterbackin this league has to be able to
do at all. You can't justbe a bomb thrower, because even as
great as he is, you know, because you're going against the better defensive
backs, no one can do that. You just can't go flying away.
No, no one does that,right, Okay, So you have to
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be able to spread it around.Take what they give you. If they
take this away, I can gothere. So the idea of making all
the throws on time, things likethat, sure, that's the total passing
game. And I think if youdrafted Ki, you know he has to
do that. He has to learn. If he doesn't do it right now,
he's gonna have to learn to doit, no question. And I
feel like, and you guys tellme if I'm crazy, that that is
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something that can be coached up atthe NFL level a lot easier than the
accuracy that Mike Pennex has shown downfield. That's just raw talent. You got
to have that in your DNA whatyou're talking about. You can that be
coached up? Can he really?Because how many times do we see west
Over bail him out on froze likethat at Washington? A lot? Yeah,
we saw him miss on throw.I think we all saw that at
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Washington. Can that be coached oris that just gonna be a p I
think on some level it can.Yes, I think that you learn to
use your eyes. As a quarterback, you say, okay, I have
a good idea. I want tobe here. I want to make sure
the defender stays where he wants orI want to move him a little bit,
even though I want to come.I'm back on the other side.
So I think there's some things youcan learn there mic and disupport. But
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torri throws actually can be easier becausewhen you hit a guy right off the
break, then then that's the areais going to be the most open.
If you're late, then the defensethey react, they become more in phase,
and you're more likely to have acontested ball. I would just say
this that outside the numbers, ifyou're looking at defenders who may make a
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play on the ball, it's usuallyone or possibly two. The corner,
you know, who's usually off,but he might be in what's called the
cloud the zone. But but youmay see one or an outside linebacker coming.
You have to process maybe one ortwo defenders who can make a play
on the ball. When you're thrownover the middle, there's often two,
three, sometimes even four guys whocould potentially you got hook zone defenders in
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the in the intermediate, you gota safety that can come from top down.
You got a corner maybe he's trailingif nothing is pushed into his own
there's there's one of four guys whocould make a play and and and have
a pass defense or even pick theball off. So there's more processing over
the middle of the field. Andso if you're if you're doing the scrutiny,
that would be the question is like, Okay, why are we not
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seeing as much over the middle ofthe field in that regard Mike, Yeah,
I would say I would say takehim and I'll get him to do
that, right, I will trainhim to do that now. It But
that's for any quarterback coming out ofcollege. I think, Okay, the
idea of being really good and anticipatingthings inside there is a learning curve there
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for anybody. It's because it's differentthan college football. It's just different that
way. And so but some ofthem and and in Washington's case, they're
they're offense. It was so goodat throwing outside and deep and the b
I hadn't seen anything quite like thatfor a long time in college football.
Well, coach. To Softy's point, it just seems like he's got the
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god given talent that quarterbacks don't have. He can hit a post corner on
a dime thirty five yards down thefield, and it would seem to be
that, you know, you wantto hit digs over the middle, slants
over the middle, that coach Holmgernor Ryan Grubbs should be able to teach
him how to do that. Yeah, but absolutely, But Hugh knows this
better than anybody. You know,when you're throwing the ball down the field,
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there is the margin. You canfiddle with it a little bit,
you know, on different things.If you're throwing inside, it's got to
be a little more precise and ithas to work a little bit different.
Yeah, I think I think that'san oversimplification. I'll bring up a stat
here. Okay, so Pat Mahomesfrom the nine to seventeen mark in the
Super Bowl last disc January, fromthe nine to seventeen mark to the rest
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of the game and then the overtime, which was a ten minute period this
year. Okay, those nineteen minutesand seventeen seconds, he had fourteen completions.
He was fourteen for eighteen. Rememberthat the fourteen completions is a lot
for that period of time. Infact, over a sixty minute game,
that equates to forty four completions.Imagine if you had a quarterback complete forty
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four in a Super Bowl. Sofourteen is a lot. Here's the thing,
now, one of them was hadair yards more than six yards.
The average air yards was one pointtwo yards. Okay, So quarterbacking isn't
always just the bomb scars. AndI think at any time in my fifty
years of watching quarterbacks, I thinkthere's been about ten to twelve good quarterbacks
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on planet Earth. Yeah, meaningwhat defines good meaning their team isn't trying
to replace them. There's only abouta dozen. And this is the United
States of America, three hundred andsixty million people. This is not squash.
We're talking football. Every kid knows. Will you know that? By
the way, just making sure you'redo you thought we were at the squash,
Come aheez, everybody. We gotplenty of guys who can spin a
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football. There are plenty of peoplewho can throw the football well enough to
play in the National Football League.It's not the throwing part, it's the
processing. And the processing part isnot what you see, it's what it's
gonna be like in a second anda half from now. That's the part
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that we only at any given timein the United States of America, the
most popular sport. We only havea dozen dudes who can both throw the
ball well enough and more importantly,process enough, who can see the movie
before it happens. That's why it'shard to be a quarterback. Well,
there's a lot of I mean,there's an opportunity potentially where both Penix and
Fatana were available at sixteen, andthere's also a world that I can paint
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where they're both gone by the Seahawksare picking at sixteen, and either way,
you got to fix this offensive line, right, like maybe Mike,
you and I were talking off hereabout that there's only really two I think
and tear your offensive line and youtell me if you disagree. That would
be likely first rounder as the kidfrom Oregon, and then and then thoughtanu
a bunch of tackles obviously you knowwill go in the first round of those.
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Barton Graham, Barton, dude,correct, Yes, so you projected
left tackle, right, projected insideright. But you need to fix that
damn thing. I mean, itis, whether it fits, it's fixed
tonight or fixed tomorrow. It's gotto be addressed right. And you got
to get your your right guard,your left guard. If Big Older is
your center, fine, So let'stalk about that. Is that gonna be
a situation where John Schneider feels like, hey, I can cobble this thing
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together with Lake and Tomlinson and maybea guy here tonight in the first round
with Charles Cross, Abe Lucas andBig o'lu and I'll be set to go.
Or is this gonna take maybe anotheryear to get this thing where they
want it to be? Well,you know it's it could take another year,
but he can. I really trusthim to be able to cobble it
together right And and then might listen, the challenge would be Mike McDonald yeah,
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no, uh. And and theoffensive staff, how are they going
to react to putting this together becausethey got new people, you know,
But I would say, if ifthe if the choice is there, if
the choice is there, and theybelieve in Michael Pennix, Yeah, you
know, I know we got toget the offensive line going. But you
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don't get a chance every year.You're gonna get a chance to get a
good lineman. Sure every year,Sure you're not every year gonna get a
chance to get a quarter Well thething, too, Dick, is that
look, I mean, what whatthe offensive line looks now in regards to
Michael Pennix doesn't really matter because he'snot playing this year. He's gonna sit
a year no matter what. Soit's what it looks like next year,
that's import That's right. But what'sfascinating to me is that we've gone in
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just two short months from the daythat we got Sam Howell from saying,
well the dream of Penix is overto now nothing's changed now, I know,
but many people said, including me, and and now it's just I'm
just letting my hopes and my emotionsget the best of me, along with
other Seahawks fans out there that arealso has fans that here we are two
months late and now we're saying,oh, well, when we can really
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take Michael Pennick. So how muchdid it change, coach? And how
much should it have changed that theygot a guy just as old as Michael
Pennick's that has a year of NFLstarting quarterbacking behind him already on the roster.
You know, what Dick. IYou know, I will admit I
wasn't thinking about Sam Howell at allin my comments because I like Michael Pennick
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so much. But the fact thatthey got Sam Howe and if they believe
look at it's it's all in whatthey think he could be. It's like
a little like Drew Lock. WhenDrew Lock came in last year. You
know, if they thought he couldplay, if some happened Gino didn't work,
Drew Lock was gonna play. Yep. And they felt good about that.
Okay, Now do they feel asgood about Sam Howell? I must
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admit I you know, Hugh willkick it to you. You know him
a lot better than I do.You know, is Gino's going to be
the quarterback? And then if hestumbles, okay, we put Sam Howl
in? Are we better? Arewe going to be fine? You know?
Uh? Well, first of all, you look in at Sam Howe
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and I think he had a uniquesituation because his offer offensive line was very
poor. They had the highest they'renumber one in terms of pass to run
racial so they had Eric b Enemyhad who had come from Kansas City.
And now he goes there and andyou've seen this profile. I know you're
gonna agree with me on this.Some offensive coordinators when they get a job,
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they it's like they just want toput the numbers up and they want
to. They want the rankings,you know, they want to and and
you get the numbers, and youget the rankings by what you do in
the passing game. You know,it's not as sexy to call inside zone
again, right, and so someoffensive coordinators are kind of and it appeared
to me, I'm not in hishead, but appearing on the play calling,
they're taking sack after sack. Thisguy's getting clobbered and they way,
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but they just want to keep throwingit. And so I think that that
the deef defenders then they you know, Mike, you know better than me,
like a linebacker of safety this said, And they go, okay,
this down and distance, this formation. I got my run keys balls on
the hatse I got my runkys,and they go forget run keys. They're
throwing it and and then now allof a sudden, they're they're just backing
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and they're they're giving a token lookat their run keys, but that what
they're really doing is thinking what passesdo they do out of this formation,
what do they and so so nowall of a sudden, they're anticipating the
pass, and and so I don'tknow, I don't know that he had
a fair chance, and his hisperformance declined over the end of the year,
And that would be consistent with mytheory. The defense is just realized,
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these these cats aren't gonna run thefootball for nothing. They're just gonna
throw it. So everybody's conscious,it's like two minute drill, we're gonna
just stop the pass. I thinkwhen they when they acquired Sam Uh,
they didn't know. They don't knowright now, who's if they have a
quarterback available to them, So theykind of had to do that. And
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I remember Dick, I remember ustalking about that that, Okay, you
know, Penix is off the table. They got their quarterbacks. They can
take a quarterback in the fifth roundor something to give them three quarterbacks,
you know. But I'm just saying, if you don't, you're not in
this situation very often where you're inthe first round and these types of quarterbacks
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come to you. Yeah, Andif you are, you got a tough
decision to make. And I wouldI would, of course, I coach
quarterbacks. So give me, giveme a quarterback. I want to take
him. And just to stat toto fortify what I said, the median
past percentage run run past ratio inthe NFL last year was fifty seven percent.
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The commanders were number one at sixtysix percent. Yeah, and that
number two was sixty three percent.They were three percent higher than number two.
Yeah, Like, so they werethere. There was just bombs plus
he was getting sacked in addition tothe fact that they kept doing it even
though they couldn't protect from Yeah.Yeah, I would assume that there's somebody
in that draft room downstairs that's like, we got to take this guy.
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We gotta take panics, we gottatake and is like befensive coordinator. It
might be your offensive coordinator. Buthow much debate will there be at that
point in time or have you theyhave you already communicated with our You guys,
listen, this guy's here, we'regonna take him. If he's not
there, we're not gonna take it. It's done, it's done. It's
already done. Yeah, Okay,I think the board. Yeah, and
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then you know, there's not alot of discussion. There's two people talking,
right, you've already talked to yourscouts, You've talked to You've had
all those meetings, a million meetings. They're on the board right there.
Mike, who's talking? Just Mikeand John. Mike and John cats it,
Mike, how much do you well? If Mike Pennis is available at
sixteen and he is not drafted,then we can infer one of two things.
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Either Ryan Grubb didn't I'm sorry,not drafted by the Seahawks, I
said, have clarified, I apologize, Yeah, not drafted by the six
Seahawks at sixteen. And he's availableat sixteen and the Seahawks pass on him,
we can infer one of two things, Either that Ryan Grubb was not
totally like one hundred percent pound thetable for him, or that he just
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doesn't have enough juice in the buildingyet, which gotta be what kind of
juice do you think he has had? Do you think he should have?
And what about that idea of RyanGrubb's presence in this building? Well,
I think Ryan Grubb obviously knows theplayer better than anybody in the building,
regardless of who's watching tape and allthat stuff. He knows him, and
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so he's gonna make his case oncehe makes his case, you know,
once once and all of a suddenthank you. You know, I'd say
thank you. So what he's sayingis how influential well John Schneider and Mike
McDonald allow his voice to be.In regards to Mike pet I don't think
we can answer that. I thinkwe'll find out. We will find out,
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because but I would trust someone thatknew him very well. I know
what I seen it on film,and I've got to like him. If
I'm making the decision, I've gota okay with that decision real quick,
Mike. Then he helps me.We gotta break. Let's come back and
discuss this again next because the Seahawksalso have guys, some issues on the
defensive side of the ball, namelyat edge rusher that need to be addressed.
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Jared Verse was the picking our mockdraft yesterday from Florida State. We'll
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ninety three point three KJRFM. Ilike Michael Pennocks. I do think the
injury background is going to be aconcern for some teams. I don't think
the age is going to be thatbig a concern. He'll be twenty five
as a rookie. In the gameyou're referencing against Texas was the best game
I saw this year. The bestgame for a quarterback was Pennix versus Texas,
Absolutely brilliant. I was at theSugar Bowl watching that game, and
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I was blown away. He lookedfantastic, all right. The voice of
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I rudely cut you off, Iapologize you. We're talking about Ryan Grubb
and how much juice he has rightnow in the meeting room, in the
draft room, coaching Michael Pennix atWashington the last two years. I would
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say that the threesome of Klin deboor Ryan Grubb Michael Pennock's very beneficial to
each other, no question. Inthe last three years. Ryan Grubb may
not be here without Michael Pennock's comingto Washington to play football for the Huskies.
So how much juice will he have? How much pulse should he have
in that room? Well, that'sthat's what I'm curious. I think that
he obviously has more juice and andyou're gonna listen to Ryan Grubb more about
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Michael Pennix than you would from RyanGrubb about bow Knicks or any of the
other guys Mike so so, butin detail, I think it's fascinating because
right here, uh, we havethe nexus of the Seahawks interests, and
you know, a Husky quarterback who'sin many people's eyes, the greatest Husky
quarterback of all time. So thisis a fascinating topic. Mike, My
question to you is, I'm gonnasay, hypothetically, you are the coach
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in GM right now, and RyanGrubb is the offensive coordinator just like he
is. Okay, tell us forthose who are curious about the scouting process,
you delegate you're gonna watch the quarterbacksbecause you're a quarterback guy. But
you're gonna have your quarterback coach inRyan Grubb. He's gonna watch the college
guys. You've got your scouts,the GMS, they're gonna report to you,
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gonna So so we'll compare to Nicks. How much are you gonna listen
to Grub about Nicks Bo Nicks,the Oregon quarterback who he doesn't know,
Versus how much are you gonna listento to Ryan Grubb about Michael Pennix,
for whom he coached for two years. I think that what's the difference,
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Well, that has that has alittle more weight, but then he then
you have comed a lot more weight, not a lot more weight. You
have a confidence and Grub to beobjective because it's his shouture as well.
Here you're not just you could fallin love with some other kid and then
you got to make sure he canplay. So you're you're talking to I've
harkened back to when I was inSan Francisco and I traveled around the country
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to find a quarterback. That's whatBill Walsh had me do. And I
had to come and report on tenquarterbacks. I was all over the place.
You visit them, you visit them, wow, you know, all
over the country. And then okay. He also came into my office a
year later and said, talk tome about Steve Young. So you know,
if you remember Steve was at TampaTampa, he was at Tampa,
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and so I you know, Iknew Steve. He babysat for my kids.
He was a great quarterback for me, a BYU. But I tried
to be objective when I talked tohim about him. And then we got
Steve and it was you know,so he did listen to me. So
to answer long answer your question,though, David, I think he's got
absolutely he has juice right, Butthen you know, then John and Mike
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have to make the final call.I'm fascinated by the possibility of them actually
trading down and still getting Michael Pennix. And I want to know from you
if having a quarterback. Let's sayyou got five guys that you like all
about the same. That's when youtrade down, right, you trade down
three or four spots, You're stillgoing to get one of the goose.
But if one of those guys isa quarterback, does that change the equation
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a little bit on whether you tradedown or not. Yes, it does,
Yes it does. But you're exactlyright, Dick. That's what you
do. You get sixteen, they'reokay, I got I got four guys
there, so I'm willing to tradeback, not past that because you don't
want to strike out, you know, But that's when that happens, and
teams know that. That's why youget phone at the last second all the
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time. You know, I'll tradeyou two back. I don't know who's
behind who's behind the Seahawks two orthree spots. But look at those guys.
If they can go up their playersthere that they want, yeah,
they can get up there, andthen you can get another draft pick.
That makes sense if but if it'sa quarterback, yeah, then you have
to pay the rules change. Youjust got a draft and that's a concern
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for me. I actually brought thatup because Dick brought that up on the
show a couple of days ago,that you could potentially move back. The
Bengals don't need a quarterback, theJaguars don't need a quarterback, the Rams
could potentially be looking for Stafford's replacement, and Pittsburgh's got three guys on their
roster that are all on one yeardeals with Justin Fields and Russell Wilson.
My concern there, though, Hugh, is that those teams may not need
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a quarterback. But if the Seahawkstrade back, somebody could then trade up
and draft that Jaguars spot. AndI mean, if you see a quarterback
that you want, don't mess aroundaround, right, just get the guy.
And you know I'm part of that. Thirty thirteen, Mike Tannembaum presented
about Mike Pennix and Mike tanneby mysea on all over ESPN, and he's
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just beating the drum on Pennis.He's like, he's like Dallas. He
goes, he goes, think aboutthis, You've got Dak Prescott's gonna be
wont sixty million? He said,is is Dak Proscott? And he and
this quoting of me, he said, is he fifty five million dollars?
Better than Michael Pennix. I don'tthink so, like so even teams that
he might not be better than himat all. Even teams they think that
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that that might not be in aquarterback. You know the rams. Uh
you know you got Stafford at onemore only one more year of guaranteed money.
So uh uh. Teams that aren'tper se in need of a quarterback
could be in need of a quarterbackif they like the guy. Absolutely.
That's the big that's the big argumentthat the money guys have with the coach.
All of a sudden, Dak Prescott, Yeah, you were gonna pay
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him sixty million dollars or whatever.Who went moome ever? But he you
know, you know, he canget you twelve wins and there's a chance
you're gonna do this, but we'llsave forty five million dollars. Don't talk
to me about that. Well me, the quarterback can win, no doubt.
And look, obviously we talked aboutthe offensive line. The quarterback and
the offensive line kind of the twobiggest areas that kind of jump off the
page. Yet you want to getback to a championship. But the edge
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rushers man the defensive line on thisfootball team needs to be addressed. You
got Jordan Brooks is walking out ofhere, Bobby Wagner's walking out of here.
I got Draymond Jones. I don'tknow about you, guys. I
thought it was kind of underwhelmed byhim, and you're number one. You
did re sign Leonard Williams. Butthere is a bevy hughe of edge rushers
outside linebackers that you could grab withthat pick. I mean, obviously Jared
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Vers was the pick yesterday in ourdraft laat two, Lat too, is
a guy that might be sitting thereat sixteen both Robinson's Dallas Turner. Is
there a guy on the edge thatthey you really like and really think would
be a nice fit for this well, I don't think Dallas Hearn is going
to be there. I think maybe there just because of the neck,
But for the neck, he wouldn'tbe there. I think Jared Vers could
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be there. I think the lawto situation Mike is interesting because here's a
guy now I think as as anathlete, if you kind of look,
you know, he ran a fourto six, which is good, not
elite jump thirty two inches. Youdon't see great explosion like you see from
Dallas Turner. But he may havethe best hand technique, the sophistication already
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made, you know, like masterclass, big toolbox at the line of scrimmage
with his hands. He's like BruceLee with his use of the hands,
and he creates its production. Heled the NCAA in in sacks. He
led the nca in and win rates. So so here's an interesting study of
a guy who was with the Huskiesthan got medically I don't know, expelled,
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what's what's the word they said?They he sat two years and then
he goes to UCLA becomes maybe thebest edge rusher in college football. So
I'm not bothered by that at all, by the way, So let's go
in twenty five years. This isour twenty six year and draft. I've
seen guys that I'm more impressed withas edge rushers in terms of their athleticism,
turn the hoop and what have you. This guy might be the best
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in terms of his moxie, hishis his innate feel for space and use
of hands. That that kind ofsophistication with his pastors he made be the
best I've seen in a generation.Well, you know what I know,
I read a little bit about himbefore I came over, and yeah,
he's an impressive guy. The toughdecision, the tough decision will be offensive
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line edge rusher because there's needs there. There's needs there, and I think
there are a couple other needs too, So you know that's the decision.
Then you're throwing the quarterback in themix. It's gonna be an interesting thing.
And I'm sorry, I'm gonna I'msorry. I won't be here when
they pick it. Oh, youwill be amicking around till eight, and
you know I'm leaving. Guys.There's there's some stats that I think that
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are you ask about edge rushers.And I originally compiled these stats as just
seeking about the impact about Leonard Williamsbecause the Seahawks went weeks one through eight,
then they acquired Leonard Williams and theyhad weeks nine through eight, and
I wanted to know, hey,did he make a difference. Now,
obviously we know there's other variables,and I'll get to the pass rush in
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the second, but Mike, tellme if this makes any impression on you.
Weeks one through eight, the Seahawksdefensively, they were in points per
game, they were eleventh and thenthe second half of the season they fell
to twenty ninth. Then in yardsper game, this is the Seahawks defense.
They were sixteenth halfway through the seasonand thirty first the second They in
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yards per play, they went fromfifth to thirtieth. In rushing yards per
game, they went from eighth tothirty second dead lass in uh's yards per
rush, they went from third inthe league to thirty second. Wow.
In sacks per attempt, they wentfrom six to twenty fourth. They acquired
Leonard Williams. They did not improve, they did not maintain. They had
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a drastic drop off. Now thatdoesn't prove anything about Leonard Wims because that
also coincided with other factories. Doesn'tprove anything about letter wins. But if
you're thinking logically, you have toreconcile those numbers. Mike, what about
Nuoso's impact and the idea. Imean, we had a picked Jared Versu
in our Morck draft yesterday that hey, an ed rusher that would be a
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good place for the Florida State AllAmerican sixteen at ceat, no question about
it. And I think when youlook we're comparing offense on defense, we've
talked about getting a player, aplayer for the offense, you know,
offensive line, a quarterback, aplayer on the defensive side of the ball.
That we got to get a coupleof things. We got to get
a couple things taken care of.Who are the couple bas based on based
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on your numbers? My goodness.Uh you know the edge rusher. Yes,
now getting the also back after theinjury, that'll be huge, you
know, but an edge rusher,I think an inside also. We got
to think about inside linebacker too.The stand up, the stand up you
got you guys on one year dealslinebacker and I'm thinking about another safety.
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Yeah, you know. So there'sthere's things. Listen, those numbers,
those are the shocking numbers. Theygot a lot of league in some things
to do on defense. But ofcourse Mike MacDonald that's his deal. Sure
well, and that's I'm glad thatyou brought that up, because guys,
last time I checked, the Seahawksjust cut both their starting safeties from last
year. So hello, there's aneed there. And Mike you mentioned it
too, second to last in theNFL and rushing defense one hundred and thirty
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eight yards. Again, it's notgood enough, No, not for Mike
McDonald. We're gonna break. We'regetting closer. Can you smell it?
Five o'clock tonight. It might bethe sushie by the way that you smell
it. Five o'clock tonight, thefirst round. We got all for you
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the twenty twenty four NFL Draft atcml's best NFL Draft cover seanle SEAHAWKSPHO the
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. I just left an hour.
God, I hope that was onthe air. It was Mittte Jackson.
You know, we end up blooperreel here. That's a drop. Two
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of my favorite memories from the draftis Doug Baldwin coming up here and basically
nailing the Paul Richardson pick a coupleof years ago. And then was it
three years ago? Four years agowhen they drafted DK Metcalf and this guy
out here basically assaulting the floor hereat the vMac after the seat him after
the Seahawks drafted DK Metcalf. Sowe'll see what kind of reaction. What
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that means him today, Well,he fell down and basically you know he's
doing push him for the most part. Yeah, i'd be more descriptive,
but this is a family show.That's so the Bears. You know Chicago,
you got roots in Chicago obviously aswell, you and Kathy back there.
They just can't seem to find aquarterback. Mike and they got for
the second year in a row,the rights to the number one pick.
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They set it off to Carolina yearago they took Bryce Young. Now they
get a bunch of draft picks andDJ Moore all for waiting one year to
draft number one, and they mayhave a better option a quarter So if
you're the Bears, is that CalebWilliams? Is it Jaydon Daniels? What
do you think they do here?At one? It's Caleb Caleb Williams,
right, I think you know.But listen, you and I were talking.
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You get that forty six percent ofnumber one draft choices at quarterback.
Don't don't get extended past that contract. Okay. But and Justin Fields,
I really like Justin Fields. Comingout of college. I really liked him
and so and he showed some goodstuff they just couldn't put it together.
But I think Caleb Williams is theluck. But that forty six percent is
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gonna go down with that justin fieldsclass with MATC. Jones and Sack Wilson,
that's gonna that's gonna go down.But how about the other two that
are gonna go right after? Weassume right after Caleb Williams, you got
two different players, Drake May,big statue esque, big arm, and
then you've got your Heisman winner.Do you have a you have a lean
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towards Jayden Daniels or Drake May.I I equate it with the offense side
like to run and I of coursethe college game is different now and the
pro game is different now. Yeah, but I like, I like the
young man from North Carolina. Ilike them both that. I like the
young man from North Carolina. Theother guy is very very talented. Yeah,
and can do, can do,can run, can throw. But
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I like, I like the guyfrom North Carolina. And that's this bear
Steam. I mean, if theyfind the right quarterback and Caleb Williams pops
in year one, this is nota bad football team at all. Yeah.
I mean, they got DJ Moore, they got a better receiver.
They got acquired Keenan Allen. Theyspent a number ten overall pick on a
right tackle last year. I mean, they have the ninth pick in the
draft this year after number one overall. A lot of people think Roma Dunze
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could be that target, but they'llin all likely to help Caleb Williams on
some level, whether it's on theoffensive line or you know, it could
be Ah, you know, itcould be the it could be brock Bauer,
whatever. But they got the ninthpick, so so they're in a
sending team. They finished four andthree down the stretch, ye, right,
So I think that I think thatthere are better parts in place to
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help Caleb Williams than there was justinfield. So the question is, what
do you do if you're the commandersat number two and Caleb Williams goes number
one. You're Dan Quinn, youbrought him, Bobby Wagner, you're getting
your second shot to be a headcoach in the NFL. What are you
doing If you're the commander sitting thereat number two and you're picking between those
quarterbacks, it sounds like you're takingDrake made the kif from Carolina. I
think I am. Wow, Ithink I am. But you know what
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that's Uh, you asked the guynext to me be the other guy.
I mean it's a coin toss,I think, But I think I don't
think you can really go wrong.If you have the right system with either
one of those players, I thinkyou're in good shape. Mike. Let's
go back to Caleb Williams, becausenow maybe I'm asking the wrong guy because
you're a trojan. Okay, butwe know the list. It's we're trying
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to reverse engineer some of these issues. We're less than half of the quarterbout
it. Okay, Sorry, ahead. Questions about how he handles adversity after
the pact, you know, theylose the Utah, he can't get up
off the bench and go congratulate,you know, he's he's you know,
I got nothing against criers. I'veseen a lot of Hall of Fames that
cry, but I've never seen aHall of Famer lying in his mother's lap
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after a loss crying, you know, just kind of you know, he
didn't want to do his medicals likehe's an only child. Not that that's
a problem, but but there's there, there's a there's a little bit of
a DVID to him, and I'mwondering how he's going to handle adversity.
You know, there's a kind ofKyler Murray type of way, maybe a
Cam Newton type of way. Whatwhat about that? Well? Whoever picked
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him? That? The Bears?You you talked to him about that.
You you have talked to him aboutthose very things physically. Yeah, he's
a luck right now when he comesin for your visit. Those are the
things you talk about. But Iequated with Los Angeles. You know,
I was going to be a moviestar. I went to USC. You
know, it didn't quite work out. So everything's sitting, everything's at everything's
a little more dramatic down there.I thought what the Bears did and if
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they take him number one, thenyou know they got a good report.
They made him go out to dinnerwith a bunch of the leaders on the
Bears roster. Cole kmet guys likethat, and they want the players take
on what kind of dude Caleb Williamsis. So I thought that was a
great call. All Right, Iguess that's it. You're done. Hey,
listen, what's happening now? What'shappening at five? Now we're gonna
sign off. Yeah, nothing,get out of here, okay, all
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right, thanks for coming in.Mike cal Grin with us, we're gonna
break. Round one of the NFLDraft is next on ninety three three kJ RFM
Round one of the NFL Draft atfive o'clock tonight, Nick sheared, and
might be my new favorite radio guest. By the way, after he put
you in your spot, Hey,last segment, that was beautiful. You
threw up a hypothetic all right,I mean, what do you want?
You want a guy that can throwthe post ride a guy you can throw
the curl, right, Look,I can't have both, Okay, I
think this there's a reason why MichaelPennix is not going to be a top
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you know, the first player inthe draft. I'll just say that.
And it's not just because of theinjuries. If he had never been injured,
right, I don't think he'd be. He might be in the discussion.
But if he's not number one,then you say, okay, is
there something that is less than perfectabout him? Right? And so I'm
just trying to have real Like ifI work for Mike, and Mike said,
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you go out and you scout MichaelPennix, and I want you to
come back in thirty days with adetailed report and tell me about his strength
and his weaknesses. Well, afterthirty days, I'd come back and on
my evaluation, I would say oneof the things that is less than ideal
is his anticipatory throws over the middle. There's times where I where the processing
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I think the ball needs to comeout, and some of those are on
completions, but I don't like thetiming because I want him to see that
window. It's a big window.I want the ball out of his hands,
and I see that more in themiddle of the field. And by
the way of the other quarterbacks,who are the other five quarterbacks who may
go in the first round, theirnumbers between the the their stats between the
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numbers is between fifty three and sixtythree percent, highlighted by J. J.
McCarthy. He's tops at sixty threepercent of his his attempts are between
the numbers. Pennix is the lowlow, by far, lower than any
of them at forty seven percent.He's brilliant outside, there's some questions inside.
So that's what I would report toMike Conger. I'm seeing your wheels
turning. Yeah, I think,I think, you know what I think.
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Hugh has a good point. Honestly, you know you have you you
have to be able to your quarterbackin this league has to be able to
do at all. You can't justbe a bomb thrower, because even as
great as he is, you know, because you're going against the better defensive
backs, no one can do that. You just can't go flying away.
No, no one does that,right, Okay, So you have to
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be able to spread it around.Take what they give you. If they
take this away, I can gothere. So the idea of making all
the throws on time, things likethat, sure, that's the total passing
game. And I think if youdrafted Ki, you know he has to
do that. He has to learn. If he doesn't do it right now,
he's gonna have to learn to doit, no question. And I
feel like, and you guys tellme if I'm crazy, that that is
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something that can be coached up atthe NFL level a lot easier than the
accuracy that Mike Pennex has shown downfield. That's just raw talent. You got
to have that in your DNA whatyou're talking about. You can that be
coached up? Can he really?Because how many times do we see west
Over bail him out on froze likethat at Washington? A lot? Yeah,
we saw him miss on throw.I think we all saw that at
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Washington. Can that be coached oris that just gonna be a p I
think on some level it can.Yes, I think that you learn to
use your eyes. As a quarterback, you say, okay, I have
a good idea. I want tobe here. I want to make sure
the defender stays where he wants orI want to move him a little bit,
even though I want to come.I'm back on the other side.
So I think there's some things youcan learn there mic and disupport. But
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torri throws actually can be easier becausewhen you hit a guy right off the
break, then then that's the areais going to be the most open.
If you're late, then the defensethey react, they become more in phase,
and you're more likely to have acontested ball. I would just say
this that outside the numbers, ifyou're looking at defenders who may make a
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play on the ball, it's usuallyone or possibly two. The corner,
you know, who's usually off,but he might be in what's called the
cloud the zone. But but youmay see one or an outside linebacker coming.
You have to process maybe one ortwo defenders who can make a play
on the ball. When you're thrownover the middle, there's often two,
three, sometimes even four guys whocould potentially you got hook zone defenders in
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the in the intermediate, you gota safety that can come from top down.
You got a corner maybe he's trailingif nothing is pushed into his own
there's there's one of four guys whocould make a play and and and have
a pass defense or even pick theball off. So there's more processing over
the middle of the field. Andso if you're if you're doing the scrutiny,
that would be the question is like, Okay, why are we not
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seeing as much over the middle ofthe field in that regard Mike, Yeah,
I would say I would say takehim and I'll get him to do
that, right, I will trainhim to do that now. It But
that's for any quarterback coming out ofcollege. I think, Okay, the
idea of being really good and anticipatingthings inside there is a learning curve there
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for anybody. It's because it's differentthan college football. It's just different that
way. And so but some ofthem and and in Washington's case, they're
they're offense. It was so goodat throwing outside and deep and the b
I hadn't seen anything quite like thatfor a long time in college football.
Well, coach. To Softy's point, it just seems like he's got the
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god given talent that quarterbacks don't have. He can hit a post corner on
a dime thirty five yards down thefield, and it would seem to be
that, you know, you wantto hit digs over the middle, slants
over the middle, that coach Holmgernor Ryan Grubbs should be able to teach
him how to do that. Yeah, but absolutely, But Hugh knows this
better than anybody. You know,when you're throwing the ball down the field,
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there is the margin. You canfiddle with it a little bit,
you know, on different things.If you're throwing inside, it's got to
be a little more precise and ithas to work a little bit different.
Yeah, I think I think that'san oversimplification. I'll bring up a stat
here. Okay, so Pat Mahomesfrom the nine to seventeen mark in the
Super Bowl last disc January, fromthe nine to seventeen mark to the rest
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of the game and then the overtime, which was a ten minute period this
year. Okay, those nineteen minutesand seventeen seconds, he had fourteen completions.
He was fourteen for eighteen. Rememberthat the fourteen completions is a lot
for that period of time. Infact, over a sixty minute game,
that equates to forty four completions.Imagine if you had a quarterback complete forty
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four in a Super Bowl. Sofourteen is a lot. Here's the thing,
now, one of them was hadair yards more than six yards.
The average air yards was one pointtwo yards. Okay, So quarterbacking isn't
always just the bomb scars. AndI think at any time in my fifty
years of watching quarterbacks, I thinkthere's been about ten to twelve good quarterbacks
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on planet Earth. Yeah, meaningwhat defines good meaning their team isn't trying
to replace them. There's only abouta dozen. And this is the United
States of America, three hundred andsixty million people. This is not squash.
We're talking football. Every kid knows. Will you know that? By
the way, just making sure you'redo you thought we were at the squash,
Come aheez, everybody. We gotplenty of guys who can spin a
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football. There are plenty of peoplewho can throw the football well enough to
play in the National Football League.It's not the throwing part, it's the
processing. And the processing part isnot what you see, it's what it's
gonna be like in a second anda half from now. That's the part
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that we only at any given timein the United States of America, the
most popular sport. We only havea dozen dudes who can both throw the
ball well enough and more importantly,process enough, who can see the movie
before it happens. That's why it'shard to be a quarterback. Well,
there's a lot of I mean,there's an opportunity potentially where both Penix and
Fatana were available at sixteen, andthere's also a world that I can paint
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where they're both gone by the Seahawksare picking at sixteen, and either way,
you got to fix this offensive line, right, like maybe Mike,
you and I were talking off hereabout that there's only really two I think
and tear your offensive line and youtell me if you disagree. That would
be likely first rounder as the kidfrom Oregon, and then and then thoughtanu
a bunch of tackles obviously you knowwill go in the first round of those.
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Barton Graham, Barton, dude,correct, Yes, so you projected
left tackle, right, projected insideright. But you need to fix that
damn thing. I mean, itis, whether it fits, it's fixed
tonight or fixed tomorrow. It's gotto be addressed right. And you got
to get your your right guard,your left guard. If Big Older is
your center, fine, So let'stalk about that. Is that gonna be
a situation where John Schneider feels like, hey, I can cobble this thing
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together with Lake and Tomlinson and maybea guy here tonight in the first round
with Charles Cross, Abe Lucas andBig o'lu and I'll be set to go.
Or is this gonna take maybe anotheryear to get this thing where they
want it to be? Well,you know it's it could take another year,
but he can. I really trusthim to be able to cobble it
together right And and then might listen, the challenge would be Mike McDonald yeah,
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no, uh. And and theoffensive staff, how are they going
to react to putting this together becausethey got new people, you know,
But I would say, if ifthe if the choice is there, if
the choice is there, and theybelieve in Michael Pennix, Yeah, you
know, I know we got toget the offensive line going. But you
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don't get a chance every year.You're gonna get a chance to get a
good lineman. Sure every year,Sure you're not every year gonna get a
chance to get a quarter Well thething, too, Dick, is that
look, I mean, what whatthe offensive line looks now in regards to
Michael Pennix doesn't really matter because he'snot playing this year. He's gonna sit
a year no matter what. Soit's what it looks like next year,
that's import That's right. But what'sfascinating to me is that we've gone in
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just two short months from the daythat we got Sam Howell from saying,
well the dream of Penix is overto now nothing's changed now, I know,
but many people said, including me, and and now it's just I'm
just letting my hopes and my emotionsget the best of me, along with
other Seahawks fans out there that arealso has fans that here we are two
months late and now we're saying,oh, well, when we can really
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take Michael Pennick. So how muchdid it change, coach? And how
much should it have changed that theygot a guy just as old as Michael
Pennick's that has a year of NFLstarting quarterbacking behind him already on the roster.
You know, what Dick. IYou know, I will admit I
wasn't thinking about Sam Howell at allin my comments because I like Michael Pennick
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so much. But the fact thatthey got Sam Howe and if they believe
look at it's it's all in whatthey think he could be. It's like
a little like Drew Lock. WhenDrew Lock came in last year. You
know, if they thought he couldplay, if some happened Gino didn't work,
Drew Lock was gonna play. Yep. And they felt good about that.
Okay, Now do they feel asgood about Sam Howell? I must
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admit I you know, Hugh willkick it to you. You know him
a lot better than I do.You know, is Gino's going to be
the quarterback? And then if hestumbles, okay, we put Sam Howl
in? Are we better? Arewe going to be fine? You know?
Uh? Well, first of all, you look in at Sam Howe
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and I think he had a uniquesituation because his offer offensive line was very
poor. They had the highest they'renumber one in terms of pass to run
racial so they had Eric b Enemyhad who had come from Kansas City.
And now he goes there and andyou've seen this profile. I know you're
gonna agree with me on this.Some offensive coordinators when they get a job,
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they it's like they just want toput the numbers up and they want
to. They want the rankings,you know, they want to and and
you get the numbers, and youget the rankings by what you do in
the passing game. You know,it's not as sexy to call inside zone
again, right, and so someoffensive coordinators are kind of and it appeared
to me, I'm not in hishead, but appearing on the play calling,
they're taking sack after sack. Thisguy's getting clobbered and they way,
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but they just want to keep throwingit. And so I think that that
the deef defenders then they you know, Mike, you know better than me,
like a linebacker of safety this said, And they go, okay,
this down and distance, this formation. I got my run keys balls on
the hatse I got my runkys,and they go forget run keys. They're
throwing it and and then now allof a sudden, they're they're just backing
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and they're they're giving a token lookat their run keys, but that what
they're really doing is thinking what passesdo they do out of this formation,
what do they and so so nowall of a sudden, they're anticipating the
pass, and and so I don'tknow, I don't know that he had
a fair chance, and his hisperformance declined over the end of the year,
And that would be consistent with mytheory. The defense is just realized,
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these these cats aren't gonna run thefootball for nothing. They're just gonna
throw it. So everybody's conscious,it's like two minute drill, we're gonna
just stop the pass. I thinkwhen they when they acquired Sam Uh,
they didn't know. They don't knowright now, who's if they have a
quarterback available to them, So theykind of had to do that. And
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I remember Dick, I remember ustalking about that that, Okay, you
know, Penix is off the table. They got their quarterbacks. They can
take a quarterback in the fifth roundor something to give them three quarterbacks,
you know. But I'm just saying, if you don't, you're not in
this situation very often where you're inthe first round and these types of quarterbacks
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come to you. Yeah, Andif you are, you got a tough
decision to make. And I wouldI would, of course, I coach
quarterbacks. So give me, giveme a quarterback. I want to take
him. And just to stat toto fortify what I said, the median
past percentage run run past ratio inthe NFL last year was fifty seven percent.
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The commanders were number one at sixtysix percent. Yeah, and that
number two was sixty three percent.They were three percent higher than number two.
Yeah, Like, so they werethere. There was just bombs plus
he was getting sacked in addition tothe fact that they kept doing it even
though they couldn't protect from Yeah.Yeah, I would assume that there's somebody
in that draft room downstairs that's like, we got to take this guy.
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We gotta take panics, we gottatake and is like befensive coordinator. It
might be your offensive coordinator. Buthow much debate will there be at that
point in time or have you theyhave you already communicated with our You guys,
listen, this guy's here, we'regonna take him. If he's not
there, we're not gonna take it. It's done, it's done. It's
already done. Yeah, Okay,I think the board. Yeah, and
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then you know, there's not alot of discussion. There's two people talking,
right, you've already talked to yourscouts, You've talked to You've had
all those meetings, a million meetings. They're on the board right there.
Mike, who's talking? Just Mikeand John. Mike and John cats it,
Mike, how much do you well? If Mike Pennis is available at
sixteen and he is not drafted,then we can infer one of two things.
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Either Ryan Grubb didn't I'm sorry,not drafted by the Seahawks, I
said, have clarified, I apologize, Yeah, not drafted by the six
Seahawks at sixteen. And he's availableat sixteen and the Seahawks pass on him,
we can infer one of two things, Either that Ryan Grubb was not
totally like one hundred percent pound thetable for him, or that he just
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doesn't have enough juice in the buildingyet, which gotta be what kind of
juice do you think he has had? Do you think he should have?
And what about that idea of RyanGrubb's presence in this building? Well,
I think Ryan Grubb obviously knows theplayer better than anybody in the building,
regardless of who's watching tape and allthat stuff. He knows him, and
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so he's gonna make his case oncehe makes his case, you know,
once once and all of a suddenthank you. You know, I'd say
thank you. So what he's sayingis how influential well John Schneider and Mike
McDonald allow his voice to be.In regards to Mike pet I don't think
we can answer that. I thinkwe'll find out. We will find out,
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because but I would trust someone thatknew him very well. I know
what I seen it on film,and I've got to like him. If
I'm making the decision, I've gota okay with that decision real quick,
Mike. Then he helps me.We gotta break. Let's come back and
discuss this again next because the Seahawksalso have guys, some issues on the
defensive side of the ball, namelyat edge rusher that need to be addressed.
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Jared Verse was the picking our mockdraft yesterday from Florida State. We'll
talk about him some other edge rushers. We're getting close, guys. Forty
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ninety three point three KJRFM. Ilike Michael Pennocks. I do think the
injury background is going to be aconcern for some teams. I don't think
the age is going to be thatbig a concern. He'll be twenty five
as a rookie. In the gameyou're referencing against Texas was the best game
I saw this year. The bestgame for a quarterback was Pennix versus Texas,
Absolutely brilliant. I was at theSugar Bowl watching that game, and
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I was blown away. He lookedfantastic, all right. The voice of
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Draft miss party tomorrow down there bythe way at five o'clock. So before
I rudely cut you off, Iapologize you. We're talking about Ryan Grubb
and how much juice he has rightnow in the meeting room, in the
draft room, coaching Michael Pennix atWashington the last two years. I would
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say that the threesome of Klin deboor Ryan Grubb Michael Pennock's very beneficial to
each other, no question. Inthe last three years. Ryan Grubb may
not be here without Michael Pennock's comingto Washington to play football for the Huskies.
So how much juice will he have? How much pulse should he have
in that room? Well, that'sthat's what I'm curious. I think that
he obviously has more juice and andyou're gonna listen to Ryan Grubb more about
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Michael Pennix than you would from RyanGrubb about bow Knicks or any of the
other guys Mike so so, butin detail, I think it's fascinating because
right here, uh, we havethe nexus of the Seahawks interests, and
you know, a Husky quarterback who'sin many people's eyes, the greatest Husky
quarterback of all time. So thisis a fascinating topic. Mike, My
question to you is, I'm gonnasay, hypothetically, you are the coach
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in GM right now, and RyanGrubb is the offensive coordinator just like he
is. Okay, tell us forthose who are curious about the scouting process,
you delegate you're gonna watch the quarterbacksbecause you're a quarterback guy. But
you're gonna have your quarterback coach inRyan Grubb. He's gonna watch the college
guys. You've got your scouts,the GMS, they're gonna report to you,
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gonna So so we'll compare to Nicks. How much are you gonna listen
to Grub about Nicks Bo Nicks,the Oregon quarterback who he doesn't know,
Versus how much are you gonna listento to Ryan Grubb about Michael Pennix,
for whom he coached for two years. I think that what's the difference,
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Well, that has that has alittle more weight, but then he then
you have comed a lot more weight, not a lot more weight. You
have a confidence and Grub to beobjective because it's his shouture as well.
Here you're not just you could fallin love with some other kid and then
you got to make sure he canplay. So you're you're talking to I've
harkened back to when I was inSan Francisco and I traveled around the country
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to find a quarterback. That's whatBill Walsh had me do. And I
had to come and report on tenquarterbacks. I was all over the place.
You visit them, you visit them, wow, you know, all
over the country. And then okay. He also came into my office a
year later and said, talk tome about Steve Young. So you know,
if you remember Steve was at TampaTampa, he was at Tampa,
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and so I you know, Iknew Steve. He babysat for my kids.
He was a great quarterback for me, a BYU. But I tried
to be objective when I talked tohim about him. And then we got
Steve and it was you know,so he did listen to me. So
to answer long answer your question,though, David, I think he's got
absolutely he has juice right, Butthen you know, then John and Mike
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have to make the final call.I'm fascinated by the possibility of them actually
trading down and still getting Michael Pennix. And I want to know from you
if having a quarterback. Let's sayyou got five guys that you like all
about the same. That's when youtrade down, right, you trade down
three or four spots, You're stillgoing to get one of the goose.
But if one of those guys isa quarterback, does that change the equation
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a little bit on whether you tradedown or not. Yes, it does,
Yes it does. But you're exactlyright, Dick. That's what you
do. You get sixteen, they'reokay, I got I got four guys
there, so I'm willing to tradeback, not past that because you don't
want to strike out, you know, But that's when that happens, and
teams know that. That's why youget phone at the last second all the
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time. You know, I'll tradeyou two back. I don't know who's
behind who's behind the Seahawks two orthree spots. But look at those guys.
If they can go up their playersthere that they want, yeah,
they can get up there, andthen you can get another draft pick.
That makes sense if but if it'sa quarterback, yeah, then you have
to pay the rules change. Youjust got a draft and that's a concern
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for me. I actually brought thatup because Dick brought that up on the
show a couple of days ago,that you could potentially move back. The
Bengals don't need a quarterback, theJaguars don't need a quarterback, the Rams
could potentially be looking for Stafford's replacement, and Pittsburgh's got three guys on their
roster that are all on one yeardeals with Justin Fields and Russell Wilson.
My concern there, though, Hugh, is that those teams may not need
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a quarterback. But if the Seahawkstrade back, somebody could then trade up
and draft that Jaguars spot. AndI mean, if you see a quarterback
that you want, don't mess aroundaround, right, just get the guy.
And you know I'm part of that. Thirty thirteen, Mike Tannembaum presented
about Mike Pennix and Mike tanneby mysea on all over ESPN, and he's
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just beating the drum on Pennis.He's like, he's like Dallas. He
goes, he goes, think aboutthis, You've got Dak Prescott's gonna be
wont sixty million? He said,is is Dak Proscott? And he and
this quoting of me, he said, is he fifty five million dollars?
Better than Michael Pennix. I don'tthink so, like so even teams that
he might not be better than himat all. Even teams they think that
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that that might not be in aquarterback. You know the rams. Uh
you know you got Stafford at onemore only one more year of guaranteed money.
So uh uh. Teams that aren'tper se in need of a quarterback
could be in need of a quarterbackif they like the guy. Absolutely.
That's the big that's the big argumentthat the money guys have with the coach.
All of a sudden, Dak Prescott, Yeah, you were gonna pay
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him sixty million dollars or whatever.Who went moome ever? But he you
know, you know, he canget you twelve wins and there's a chance
you're gonna do this, but we'llsave forty five million dollars. Don't talk
to me about that. Well me, the quarterback can win, no doubt.
And look, obviously we talked aboutthe offensive line. The quarterback and
the offensive line kind of the twobiggest areas that kind of jump off the
page. Yet you want to getback to a championship. But the edge
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rushers man the defensive line on thisfootball team needs to be addressed. You
got Jordan Brooks is walking out ofhere, Bobby Wagner's walking out of here.
I got Draymond Jones. I don'tknow about you, guys. I
thought it was kind of underwhelmed byhim, and you're number one. You
did re sign Leonard Williams. Butthere is a bevy hughe of edge rushers
outside linebackers that you could grab withthat pick. I mean, obviously Jared
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Vers was the pick yesterday in ourdraft laat two, Lat too, is
a guy that might be sitting thereat sixteen both Robinson's Dallas Turner. Is
there a guy on the edge thatthey you really like and really think would
be a nice fit for this well, I don't think Dallas Hearn is going
to be there. I think maybe there just because of the neck,
But for the neck, he wouldn'tbe there. I think Jared Vers could
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be there. I think the lawto situation Mike is interesting because here's a
guy now I think as as anathlete, if you kind of look,
you know, he ran a fourto six, which is good, not
elite jump thirty two inches. Youdon't see great explosion like you see from
Dallas Turner. But he may havethe best hand technique, the sophistication already
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made, you know, like masterclass, big toolbox at the line of scrimmage
with his hands. He's like BruceLee with his use of the hands,
and he creates its production. Heled the NCAA in in sacks. He
led the nca in and win rates. So so here's an interesting study of
a guy who was with the Huskiesthan got medically I don't know, expelled,
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what's what's the word they said?They he sat two years and then
he goes to UCLA becomes maybe thebest edge rusher in college football. So
I'm not bothered by that at all, by the way, So let's go
in twenty five years. This isour twenty six year and draft. I've
seen guys that I'm more impressed withas edge rushers in terms of their athleticism,
turn the hoop and what have you. This guy might be the best
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in terms of his moxie, hishis his innate feel for space and use
of hands. That that kind ofsophistication with his pastors he made be the
best I've seen in a generation.Well, you know what I know,
I read a little bit about himbefore I came over, and yeah,
he's an impressive guy. The toughdecision, the tough decision will be offensive
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line edge rusher because there's needs there. There's needs there, and I think
there are a couple other needs too, So you know that's the decision.
Then you're throwing the quarterback in themix. It's gonna be an interesting thing.
And I'm sorry, I'm gonna I'msorry. I won't be here when
they pick it. Oh, youwill be amicking around till eight, and
you know I'm leaving. Guys.There's there's some stats that I think that
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are you ask about edge rushers.And I originally compiled these stats as just
seeking about the impact about Leonard Williamsbecause the Seahawks went weeks one through eight,
then they acquired Leonard Williams and theyhad weeks nine through eight, and
I wanted to know, hey,did he make a difference. Now,
obviously we know there's other variables,and I'll get to the pass rush in
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the second, but Mike, tellme if this makes any impression on you.
Weeks one through eight, the Seahawksdefensively, they were in points per
game, they were eleventh and thenthe second half of the season they fell
to twenty ninth. Then in yardsper game, this is the Seahawks defense.
They were sixteenth halfway through the seasonand thirty first the second They in
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yards per play, they went fromfifth to thirtieth. In rushing yards per
game, they went from eighth tothirty second dead lass in uh's yards per
rush, they went from third inthe league to thirty second. Wow.
In sacks per attempt, they wentfrom six to twenty fourth. They acquired
Leonard Williams. They did not improve, they did not maintain. They had
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a drastic drop off. Now thatdoesn't prove anything about Leonard Wims because that
also coincided with other factories. Doesn'tprove anything about letter wins. But if
you're thinking logically, you have toreconcile those numbers. Mike, what about
Nuoso's impact and the idea. Imean, we had a picked Jared Versu
in our Morck draft yesterday that hey, an ed rusher that would be a
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good place for the Florida State AllAmerican sixteen at ceat, no question about
it. And I think when youlook we're comparing offense on defense, we've
talked about getting a player, aplayer for the offense, you know,
offensive line, a quarterback, aplayer on the defensive side of the ball.
That we got to get a coupleof things. We got to get
a couple things taken care of.Who are the couple bas based on based
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on your numbers? My goodness.Uh you know the edge rusher. Yes,
now getting the also back after theinjury, that'll be huge, you
know, but an edge rusher,I think an inside also. We got
to think about inside linebacker too.The stand up, the stand up you
got you guys on one year dealslinebacker and I'm thinking about another safety.
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Yeah, you know. So there'sthere's things. Listen, those numbers,
those are the shocking numbers. Theygot a lot of league in some things
to do on defense. But ofcourse Mike MacDonald that's his deal. Sure
well, and that's I'm glad thatyou brought that up, because guys,
last time I checked, the Seahawksjust cut both their starting safeties from last
year. So hello, there's aneed there. And Mike you mentioned it
too, second to last in theNFL and rushing defense one hundred and thirty
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eight yards. Again, it's notgood enough, No, not for Mike
McDonald. We're gonna break. We'regetting closer. Can you smell it?
Five o'clock tonight. It might bethe sushie by the way that you smell
it. Five o'clock tonight, thefirst round. We got all for you
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the twenty twenty four NFL Draft atcml's best NFL Draft cover seanle SEAHAWKSPHO the
Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. I just left an hour.
God, I hope that was onthe air. It was Mittte Jackson.
You know, we end up blooperreel here. That's a drop. Two
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of my favorite memories from the draftis Doug Baldwin coming up here and basically
nailing the Paul Richardson pick a coupleof years ago. And then was it
three years ago? Four years agowhen they drafted DK Metcalf and this guy
out here basically assaulting the floor hereat the vMac after the seat him after
the Seahawks drafted DK Metcalf. Sowe'll see what kind of reaction. What
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that means him today, Well,he fell down and basically you know he's
doing push him for the most part. Yeah, i'd be more descriptive,
but this is a family show.That's so the Bears. You know Chicago,
you got roots in Chicago obviously aswell, you and Kathy back there.
They just can't seem to find aquarterback. Mike and they got for
the second year in a row,the rights to the number one pick.
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They set it off to Carolina yearago they took Bryce Young. Now they
get a bunch of draft picks andDJ Moore all for waiting one year to
draft number one, and they mayhave a better option a quarter So if
you're the Bears, is that CalebWilliams? Is it Jaydon Daniels? What
do you think they do here?At one? It's Caleb Caleb Williams,
right, I think you know.But listen, you and I were talking.
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You get that forty six percent ofnumber one draft choices at quarterback.
Don't don't get extended past that contract. Okay. But and Justin Fields,
I really like Justin Fields. Comingout of college. I really liked him
and so and he showed some goodstuff they just couldn't put it together.
But I think Caleb Williams is theluck. But that forty six percent is
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gonna go down with that justin fieldsclass with MATC. Jones and Sack Wilson,
that's gonna that's gonna go down.But how about the other two that
are gonna go right after? Weassume right after Caleb Williams, you got
two different players, Drake May,big statue esque, big arm, and
then you've got your Heisman winner.Do you have a you have a lean
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towards Jayden Daniels or Drake May.I I equate it with the offense side
like to run and I of coursethe college game is different now and the
pro game is different now. Yeah, but I like, I like the
young man from North Carolina. Ilike them both that. I like the
young man from North Carolina. Theother guy is very very talented. Yeah,
and can do, can do,can run, can throw. But
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I like, I like the guyfrom North Carolina. And that's this bear
Steam. I mean, if theyfind the right quarterback and Caleb Williams pops
in year one, this is nota bad football team at all. Yeah.
I mean, they got DJ Moore, they got a better receiver.
They got acquired Keenan Allen. Theyspent a number ten overall pick on a
right tackle last year. I mean, they have the ninth pick in the
draft this year after number one overall. A lot of people think Roma Dunze
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could be that target, but they'llin all likely to help Caleb Williams on
some level, whether it's on theoffensive line or you know, it could
be Ah, you know, itcould be the it could be brock Bauer,
whatever. But they got the ninthpick, so so they're in a
sending team. They finished four andthree down the stretch, ye, right,
So I think that I think thatthere are better parts in place to
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help Caleb Williams than there was justinfield. So the question is, what
do you do if you're the commandersat number two and Caleb Williams goes number
one. You're Dan Quinn, youbrought him, Bobby Wagner, you're getting
your second shot to be a headcoach in the NFL. What are you
doing If you're the commander sitting thereat number two and you're picking between those
quarterbacks, it sounds like you're takingDrake made the kif from Carolina. I
think I am. Wow, Ithink I am. But you know what
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that's Uh, you asked the guynext to me be the other guy.
I mean it's a coin toss,I think, But I think I don't
think you can really go wrong.If you have the right system with either
one of those players, I thinkyou're in good shape. Mike. Let's
go back to Caleb Williams, becausenow maybe I'm asking the wrong guy because
you're a trojan. Okay, butwe know the list. It's we're trying
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to reverse engineer some of these issues. We're less than half of the quarterbout
it. Okay, Sorry, ahead. Questions about how he handles adversity after
the pact, you know, theylose the Utah, he can't get up
off the bench and go congratulate,you know, he's he's you know,
I got nothing against criers. I'veseen a lot of Hall of Fames that
cry, but I've never seen aHall of Famer lying in his mother's lap
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after a loss crying, you know, just kind of you know, he
didn't want to do his medicals likehe's an only child. Not that that's
a problem, but but there's there, there's a there's a little bit of
a DVID to him, and I'mwondering how he's going to handle adversity.
You know, there's a kind ofKyler Murray type of way, maybe a
Cam Newton type of way. Whatwhat about that? Well? Whoever picked
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him? That? The Bears?You you talked to him about that.
You you have talked to him aboutthose very things physically. Yeah, he's
a luck right now when he comesin for your visit. Those are the
things you talk about. But Iequated with Los Angeles. You know,
I was going to be a moviestar. I went to USC. You
know, it didn't quite work out. So everything's sitting, everything's at everything's
a little more dramatic down there.I thought what the Bears did and if
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they take him number one, thenyou know they got a good report.
They made him go out to dinnerwith a bunch of the leaders on the
Bears roster. Cole kmet guys likethat, and they want the players take
on what kind of dude Caleb Williamsis. So I thought that was a
great call. All Right, Iguess that's it. You're done. Hey,
listen, what's happening now? What'shappening at five? Now we're gonna
sign off. Yeah, nothing,get out of here, okay, all
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right, thanks for coming in.Mike cal Grin with us, we're gonna
break. Round one of the NFLDraft is next on ninety three three kJ RFM
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