October 17, 2022 • 34 mins
This special episode of AlongTheWay/Charisma News features my friend and filmmaker, Tim Mahoney. I've loved his Patterns of Evidence series and in this interview, we talk about his upcoming film "Journey to Mount Sinai"
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journey. Along the way, hasprovided some great connections
for me, one of my favorites isTim Mahoney, the filmmaker of
the series patterns of evidence,I realized recently that he had
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a new film coming out thejourney to Mount Sinai, but I
hadn't had a chance to talk tohim about it yet. So I quickly
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now here's my interview with TimMahoney about his film The
journey to Mount Sinai. This isJohn Matarazzo. Four along the
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way and the charisma newspodcast kind of doing a double
double duty right now. I'm backwith a good friend Tim Mahoney,
the filmmaker for thinking Manfilms, the patterns of evidence
franchise, I guess, coming fromthe exodus to the Moses
controversy, the Red Seacrossing part one and two. And
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now we're talking about thejourney to Mount Sinai, which
comes out October 17, and 18thon theaters all across the
country for special events. And,Tim, it's great to have you back
on the podcast, and to be ableto talk about this amazing film
on this journey that God hasbrought you on for many, many
years.
Tim Mahoney (02:55):
Gentlemen, I appreciate your taking the time
we were we're right up toOctober 17th. And 18th is coming
up here Monday and Tuesday. It'sgoing to be a nationwide release
of this next film. This is ourour fifth film that we have
released in the patterns ofevidence, archaeological side of
things. So we're continuing thejourney. And I'm very this film
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is a little bit different jobbecause I created something
called the Mount Sinaiscorecard. And some people say
well, what is the Mount Sinaiscorecard? Well, it's this
document if you go to patternsof evidence.com We're going to
be investigating six differentmountains over the course of two
films. Why? And so it's it's aninteractive experience. No.
John Matarazzo (03:42):
That is really cool. So you're you're looking
at different mountains. Okay, sothere's the Sinai Peninsula, in,
you know, in Egypt, there'sother places that that people
say that this might be MountSinai. Most of the time, we just
look at a map and we can see,okay, this is what somebody else
said, this is where it might be.
But you actually took a tripthere and a couple of trips, I
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believe. And you went there andand did some work in yourself to
find out evidence that thatwe're in patterns so that you
could see that if it what wasreally true. Tell us about that.
Tim Mahoney (04:19):
Yeah, so well patterns of evidence films. A
pattern of evidence is thescientific approach. And what do
we know is that we have thescriptures, we have the Bible,
and the Bible gives us criteriain the recording of it. And the
first five books of the Bible,Moses was writing what he was
seeing or hearing from God. Andso he was he was telling us
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information. And obviously someof the information was passed
down from generation togeneration, so that eventually
Moses was able to write this outin the first five books of the
Bible. And so but when he does,especially during the time of
the axis, there are clues thatHe's giving people and those
clues are really, reallysignificant because that's how
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we can find whether or not we'reheading in the right direction,
right. So when the Israelitesleft Egypt, they were heading
back to this mountain. And we doknow that they were told to turn
back and kept by the sea. Andthat was a film that I made just
two years ago, the red seamiracle, where what's this
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crossing? And what we've done isin this in Mount Sinai scorecard
that we have here to watch thismovie, yes, there it is. Great
job. I have listed six differentmountains that we're going to be
looking at. And the first onesare the traditional Mount Sinai,
Jebel sanea, and another onecalled Servite, or Hashem el
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Turriff, in this particularcase, so. So those are three
mountains that are SinaiPeninsula oriented, there in
that area. And those mountains,what we started to see when we
were making the film was thatthere's a lot of details, lots
of information. So we've got,let's see, 12345, we have five
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different areas we're gonna befocusing on on what is the
journey to the mountain? Okay,what was the what was the
journey? And what were the whatwere the scriptures that telling
us about the journey, and that'sin this biblical criteria per
section? If you go down a littlebit, yeah, even go down a little
bit there, the investigationcriteria, we're going to be able
to look at the Scripture versusyou can ahead of time read, do a
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little bit of prep time. Thesecond one is Midian, where's
the land of Midian? It has to bethe mountain has to be in the
vicinity of this area, becauseMoses, when he left, he fled to
the land of Midian. And thenwhen he was there, 40 years
later, he came to the backsideof the wilderness. And that
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backside of the wilderness issomething we're going to be
looking at what is thedefinition of that? And where
could that be. And then we'regoing to look at attributes. The
Bible says that the Israelitescamped in front of the mountain.
So there had to be a plain largeenough and not just a narrow
little valley, but large enoughfor the Israelites to camp in,
there had to be enough water forliterally 1000s if not millions
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of people, the Bible says therewas a stream at the mountain and
that they were able to washtheir clothes and that when the
golden calf altar was destroyed,Moses grounded up and threw it
in the stream and made peopledrink it and then there was a
cave there that Elijah went tothis is a map here of we also
show in our dog our handout, weshow where these mountains are
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located. And then there arecampsites also we we address
there on the bottom. So okay,sense of these campsites. So
that is basically then the finalquestion is, is there any
artifacts there, leftover fromthis event? And some of the
people that have the differentmodes are saying, yes, there are
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inscriptions that are talkingabout the event. Others are
saying that there are thepossibility of altars and
pillars that have still remainedfrom that event. And some are
saying that they found you know,graves massive grave site where
the Israelites are the ones thatdisobeyed and were killed after
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the golden calf incident. All ofthat information is what we're
going to be looking at. Sothat's why when we go through
this first film, I've got thescorecard. Not it's like
bowling. Have you ever gonebowling?
John Matarazzo (08:37):
Yes, I've gone bowling some days are better
than others. And it's hard tostay out of the gutter
sometimes. Yeah.
Tim Mahoney (08:43):
Well, in on the scorecard what we have there is
we've got a yes, a maybe an ANo. So as you go through the
mountains, we go through theattributes, you can see up up up
in the upper left hand corner,you got a strike a spare or
gutter ball. And you can see dothese How are you going to gauge
these mountains as we go frommountain to mountain to
mountain, right. And that'sthat's what the investigation
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is, I don't think I've been toany movies ever that had an
interactive component to it likethis.
John Matarazzo (09:12):
And that's a really cool thing. I love how as
you've done a number of thesefilms, each one, you're thinking
of more ways to communicate whatyour understanding of what
you're learning. Because reallywhat you're doing is you're not,
at least in the past films, andI'm sure you're continuing this
way, because I haven't had achance to see this screener of
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it yet. So I hope to get achance to see it soon. But you
always do a really good job ofjust displaying the evidence and
letting the audience decide. Andso it's all of your films have
an interactive element becauseof that, because you're not just
telling people this is my ownconclusion. I mean, you do have
your own conclusions as well,because you've seen the evidence
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firsthand yourself. And you'vebeen to these places. So I'm
sure You have your own thoughts.
But I appreciate that you alwaystake the time to step back and
just present the evidence andlet the audience let us as
people that are reallyinterested in finding the truth,
see the patterns ourselves. Andyeah,
Tim Mahoney (10:14):
that's awesome. Oh, thank you, John. And, and I
believe that that part isimportant for people. Because if
I, I've been learning that if Imake films, once, once I make a
film that allows the audience tosee what the pattern is, that
gives them an opportunity to, tolook at the evidence, and I let
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the different viewpoints sharewhat their strengths are, then
the audience is free, then tomake a decision. And as opposed
to making a film and a lot offilms, I think, are are less
documentary, and morepropaganda, where they look like
their documentary, but they tendto just be only telling you one
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thing, and it's not dramatic. Sothey call it a documentary, but
they're really propaganda films.
And in this particular case, Iam trying to make a film, and
the films that we're making thatactually open it up and allow
for different voices to beheard. And we can take a look at
at the information and then youas the audience can can decide.
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That's the reason why I'mhelping you out with this
scorecard here, right, so thatyou can make a decision, an
informed decision about whereMount Sinai is.
John Matarazzo (11:30):
So I love that people can get the scorecard
ahead of time. And because yourfilms are something where it's
actually good and beneficial totake notes during because
there's so much information, andyou present it in a very, very
good way that you cancontinually recap as you bring
in a new, not just elements ofit are a new point, you're
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bringing like the series ofthese different views about a
specific point. And then youbring those in, and you just
kind of keep making a bigger andbigger argument, I guess for or
just maybe a bigger and biggerdisplay of evidence. And so it's
good to take notes. But you'vejust provided an easier way for
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everybody to say, oh, yeah, yes,yes, no, or maybe. And so
that's, that's good.
Tim Mahoney (12:20):
Well, John, sometimes I actually one of my
favorite things to do is to gointo the grocery store, like to
go get something is our localgrocery store. First of all, I
do like to eat, and then it's mychance to buy things that I
want. And then you know, Ialways get like dark chocolate,
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you know certain of my thingsthat I have that I'm interested
in. And but I found that when Igo out to the grocery store,
sometimes I don't, I only gothere with one thing in mind.
But I start walking through theaisles and I see something and I
grab that and I grab somethingelse. And before you know it, my
arms are just filled with thingsI didn't know I needed before I
walked into a grocery store. AndI find these films are going to
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be like that you think you'regoing to be watching about the
film, you're going to have tohave a place to put that as your
arms or your mind gets Fuller,this mount sinai scorecard is
going to help you to kind ofclear your thoughts and be able
to at least document it. So youdon't have to hold it and get
confused about anything. Andthat's the fun part about it, I
think. And then this film isalso about what does it mean to
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go into the wilderness, becausethe Israelites actually God
calls them out of slavery. Andhe's saying, I'm going to I want
to meet you, I want to I wantto, I'm going to be your God and
and I'm going to do something atthis mountain that's very
special. And for a lot of us,we're in that same place where
God is calling us out of thisbondage. And he's calling us
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sometimes, though, in thiswilderness experience to meet
him. And he's saying that he'sgoing to provide for us and he's
going to give us he gets he'sgoing to give us what we need to
drink, what we need to eat. Andthen he's going to give us a
mission. And that's whathappened to the Israelites that
were given a mission at MountSinai. So I find this to be a
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very personal film for me,because I've been working hard
and there are times when I feellike I am in the wilderness
making these and like God, howare you going to provide? How is
this going to go forward? And
John Matarazzo (14:26):
so you weren't on this journey for a long time?
And when did you first startthis journey just for people
that that aren't familiar withthe patterns of evidence series?
Tim Mahoney (14:39):
I started being aware of it in 2000, the year
2000. So, you know, here we are.
23 years later, officially, Iwas in Egypt in 2002. And then I
went to Saudi Arabia in 2003.
And then I went to Israel in2005. So then from there on, I
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mean, I've been to you European,back to different places. So
I've been many, many trips,hundreds of trips filming, and
digging into this information.
And I think it's interestingbecause there are, you know, are
we living in? As some peoplewould say the End Times? And it
will, why should we care aboutthe Old Testament is because
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history repeats itself. TheBible even tells us that in the
book of Revelation that theplagues of the Exodus are coming
back. And there are things thatwe need to know even about the
nation of Israel, because thismountain is where the nation of
Israel becomes the nation, theymove from just being regular
people, but God's then basicallybits them together to become his
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people. And he's, you know, themission was they're supposed to
go to the promised land. And youcan learn something by this too,
is because they complained alot. They complained a lot. And
we have to look at our own livesand say, okay, it has God given
us a mission. But we'recomplaining about this, that or
the other thing, and I thinkthat's the lessons that you can
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learn from this investigation.
Yeah,
John Matarazzo (16:11):
now I saw on the, the, the scorecard, which
everybody can get if they go topatterns of evidence.com/mount,
Sinai, mt s i n a i, or just goto patterns of evidence.com. And
you can click the link there.
But I saw that you're actuallysplitting this journey to Mount
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Sinai into two films as well,because there's just too much
evidence to put into just onefilm,
Tim Mahoney (16:40):
there's an awful lot to consider. Yeah. And, you
know, I could, I felt thathappening with the red sea
miracle when we were making it,I was like, Man, I don't think
we're going to make it here. IfI'm going to really be able to
communicate Same thing here. AndI felt like after 2020 plus
years, you know, for me, 22years of working on this, you
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you just have, you know toomuch. And there's too much that
needs to be considered. And sothat's the reason why we saw it
as a two film investigation. Andwe're still trying to raise the
money for the second film. So weare a nonprofit now patterns of
evidence foundation. So ifpeople want to help us get these
films out, they can go topatterns of evidence.com and
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help us. And one way to help usis, is to go to the theater and
to see the movie. And one of thethings that I wanted to say is
that, as I've been thinkingabout this is that right now,
people are voting, you know,they're going to be voting this
fall, and a lot of political adsout there. What when I want to
film like patterns of evidencejourney to Mount Sinai, I go so
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Theater, which is going to beOctober 17, and 18th, Monday
night, Tuesday night, that's avote, if you'd be willing to
vote for that film by by gettinga ticket, inviting your Sunday
school class or inviting yoursmall group or inviting your
family or friends, go see thatmovie, because it's telling the
world that the Bible isimportant. And that that they
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they're interested, I can tellyou something, it's going to be
an amazing evening. This isyou're going to learn so much
I'm going to take you to placesyou've never been to before.
We've got inscriptions that areamazing. What if it's true, what
they're saying, that relate tothe Exodus, there's so many
things that you're going to seethat you've never seen before.
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It's going to be quite aninspiring and uplifting event.
John Matarazzo (18:35):
Wow. So can you give us a little teaser about
what some of these things mightbe? Or even just a clue.
Tim Mahoney (18:43):
The there there are inscriptions in the Sinai
Peninsula, that I believe isthat the earliest form of
Hebrew. And in our film, theMoses controversy, we were
seeing that this early, thisearly writing is connected, I
believe, to the Israelites inthe Moses controversy. And the
challenge has always been wellwhat did these inscriptions say?
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Because there's been so manydifferent interpretations about
what they say. The question is,is who is reading them the right
way, but what we have somepeople that are gonna look at
them, they're gonna read them,they're gonna say that they see
a connection to the word mana tothe golden calf. And there's
phrases that are that are areconnecting to the Exodus event
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in and around the time of ofMount Sinai when the Israelites
were there. And that's why theybelieve that Mount Sinai has to
be right there in the SinaiPeninsula because of those
inscriptions.
John Matarazzo (19:40):
Wow. Wow. So I can't wait to see this film as
I've been a fan of your filmsfrom the first time that I saw a
Facebook ad many many years agoas the as the first film was
coming out the patterns ofevidence Exodus. I was blown
away by by that ad and I knewthat I had to see the films And
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then because I was producing aTV show, I was like, I need to
get him on as a guest. And thenyou started doing more films,
and I couldn't be more happy tosee you going after what God has
called you to do, as afilmmaker, to really display
that the Bible is istrustworthy. I mean, you can,
you can bank on the fact thatwhat the Bible says is true. And
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archaeology is proving it,history is proving it. And your
films are helping to just pointpeople in the right direction.
And I want to thank you so muchfor for the work that you've
been doing and you've beenfaithful with. And there's
another film that you've beenthat you've been working on
your, the your journey home, myjourney home. Can you talk a
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little bit about that, becausethat's more of your story, Tim,
about your personal life aswell.
Tim Mahoney (20:50):
That's that's a lot of times these films, I'm not
planning on actually taking afilm in a particular direction.
But that film, The Journey Homecame about because I felt that
it was important to documentpeople who I have, who helped me
make these films, and Dr.
Leonard Moeller is a Swedish DNAresearch scientist. He was the
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one who introduced me to thewhole idea of taking a
scientific approach. And that'swhat he was doing. And so I
really have to give him all thecredit for the idea for a
patterns of evidence approachreally came from his, his
thinking, it's more methodical,it's more well, what is the what
does the Bible say we shouldlook for? What the What pattern
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would that be that patternrecognition, and then you look
for that pattern. And so Dr.
Leonard Moeller got sick. And Iwent on an investigation with
him in Jordan. And I could tellhe, he had gotten a form of
Alzheimer's, where he was losinghis ability to speak. And he was
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being locked up. And eventuallynow he's, he's passed away. And
he was the young man. I mean,and I had another, another
friend of mine in Europe aswell. That passed away. And I
thought, These are key peoplethat I looked up to, and I felt
that they could be around for along time, but then they
weren't. So my purpose or makingthe journey home was to capture
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the people that had been aroundand to tell the stories of the
making of what had happened.
While we may patterns ofevidence, because as you know,
John, there are things that whenyou're making a project or
something, God is acting in thedaily, sometimes weekly, or
throughout the year, where youlook and say, Wow, that was a
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natural that was likesupernatural that God allowed
that to happen. And we tell thestory of how we were led to
Israel, we thought we weremaking a film about the
Israelites in Egypt. And we hadthis event, this unusual board
meeting, where we then weresomething supernatural happened
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in the room. And someone read aletter about the nation of
Israel. And as they read thatletter, he sat down, he said, if
this, if this event, we're goingto have a public relations
event, and we're going to callit the Texas, okay, instead of
the Exodus. We're going to tryto do a reenactment of the
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Israelites from a walking inTexas, you know, I think Goshen
Texas, and then we're going togo to El Passover. You know, but
just to see what that would belike, just for national
exposure, that, that when heread that letter and set it
down, his name was PaulRidgeway, we had this
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supernatural event where it waslike the presence of God came in
the room and swept through theroom and, and people started to
weep. And, and so we told thatstory in this film, and there's
other powerful film stories. Butas I was working on that film, I
hired actually director RickAltizer and recall Tyler had
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made me had made the film showme the Father with the Kendricks
brothers, okay, vettery aboutfatherhood. And he started
asking me questions about mygirl, you know, tell me about
your childhood. Tell me aboutwhat happened. And I wasn't
expecting to talk about that atall. And, but we had a dark past
because my father was a man who,who had been abused and, and as,
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as he had lots of anger. And soour family was traumatized by
his past as it were, and weactually had to flee him and go
in hiding. The Journey Home isreally a film about my own
personal life. It's a film It'sa metaphor for life in general.
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And the fact that that we are ona journey, and that
there are many songs that peoplecould read, this world is not my
home, I'm just the path ispassing through. As you get a
little bit older, you start tounderstand that more clearly
that there has to be somethingmore than just the brief years
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we have here. Where do where dowe go from here. And I had the
opportunity to, I start thatfilm the journey home with a
scene of the burial of mymother. And by the way, today is
my mother's birthday. She passedaway a year and a half ago, and
we buried her during that COVIDtime. In fact, we were probably
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one of the last funeralsallowed. Because it didn't allow
people to get together. Yeah.
And so we were able to bury herand and I end with her in a in
the family cemetery inWisconsin. And she talks about,
about those who are passing on.
And the journey home as a,again, is a testimonial film
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about the testimonies of Godacting in our present lives as
we're making a film about Godacting in the past. So that's
the that's the story of thejourney home.
John Matarazzo (26:16):
And what is your hope for that film? I know, it's
your telling your story, butwhat is your hope for the
audience to take away as theywatch that?
Tim Mahoney (26:24):
You know, it meant a lot for my family. This sounds
funny, but my hope is thatpeople will be encouraged that,
that God does call us to docertain things that we don't
expect to do. And, and that youhave to have faith that if God
has a sense of direction foryou, and that's what I'd say in
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my own life is currently I'm inas you know, I'm struggling to
make the next film. And I Thereare times when I get
discouraged. I have to look pastthe situation right now. And the
journey home was me tellingstory after story of, of
obstacle. I look back onunknown, I say, Well, God really
came through. But just like theIsraelites, I'm no different in
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some cases. You know, you askyourself, well, why did the
Israelites keep complaining?
Because then they see all themiracles in the past? Didn't
they see all this that washappening? And yet they couldn't
trust God. And here I am afairly mature Christian. And I
am sometimes just like theIsraelites, I forget what God
did in the past. Right. And sothe journey home, I like to
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watch, because it reminds me ofwhat God has done in the past
when I was going throughdifficult times. But I think
what it does for a lot ofpeople, some people who have
seen all of our films, have saidthat the journey home is the
most powerful film that theyhave ever seen. Yeah, there it
is. Yeah, if you want to youcould you play a trailer from
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there.
John Matarazzo (28:05):
We're gonna play a little bit of that trailer.
Tim Mahoney (28:09):
You have turned the sound on Yeah.
John Matarazzo (28:18):
The sound coming through
Unknown (28:19):
No, no sound. Yeah.
John Matarazzo (28:21):
Well, sure exactly how to do that with
this. But. But if you want to goto the website, patterns of
evidence.com, you can check outand see the see the entire film,
see all the things that Tim hasdone. Over the years, if you've
got the journey to Mount Sinai,the red sea miracle part one and
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two, the journey home. Andthey're just, they're just
phenomenal, phenomenal films.
And, you know, Tim, is we're,we're running out of time here.
And I'm going to try to figureout how to play this so that
people can actually hear it. Butjust tell us a little bit about
the path to thinking Man filmsand the just that some of the
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projects that people can beinvolved in as what you're with
what you're doing.
Tim Mahoney (29:10):
Well, we are now a pattern is out his foundation.
So we are trying to make thenext film patterns of evidence,
journey to Mount Sinai, parttwo. So my belief is God has
called me to make to bring theBible to the world to have a
dialogue with the world withthese films and to encourage
people that there is a patternof evidence of God acting in
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archaeology that are coming upall the time. There's just a lot
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encourage people. And when yougive to that you're helping us
make more films, by the way. Andwe think that the films have
been the most powerful tool forencouraging people in their
faith, as well as if I makefilms so that they're shareable.
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They're shareable with peoplewho don't believe they're
shareable with just a lot ofdifferent kinds of people. And
so if you want to get it becomea part of the family, we would
appreciate it. Like we've said,we're, we're working on a lot of
material to try to keep yeah,there it is. There's a number of
films and by the way, there'smore to come. And that's what we
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when I talked about just havingfaith that God is going to
continue to do what we're doing.
I know what the other films are,we actually haven't some of them
shot. But we need to continue tohave a larger family help us to
make these films and to keepkeep the lights on as it were in
the studio.
John Matarazzo (31:20):
Yeah, that's great. And so if you go to
patterns of evidence.com, youcan be a part of that you can
check out the film, you can getyour tickets, you can see where
the where it's where it's goingto be playing on bigger screens,
October 17, and 18th. And, Tim,it is just great to reconnect
with you. It's been a littlewhile. But I'm so glad to know
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that you're making more films,and that you've got more in the
down the pipeline that will becoming out soon as well. And,
Tim, I just want to bless youfor the work that you're doing.
And I know that that the theaudience here loves
archaeological undertakings andthings that help prove that the
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Bible was real, the stories thatwe read about in the Bible are
real, they really did happen.
And we can trust that the Bibleis true. And again, thank you so
much for just taking theinvestment of your life of your
finances of your talent, to helpother people that won't be able
to go to Egypt and Israel andsearch throughout the wilderness
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to find the true Sinai. You'retaking people there through
these stunning films, eventhough they might not be able to
buy a plane ticket and get therethemselves. They can go and
bake, they can buy a ticket togo see this film, the 17th and
18th. And then I'm sure thatthere will be ways that people
can watch it at home orstreaming afterwards. Once that
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is once that becomes available,but go to patterns of
evidence.com and you can stay upto date with the latest that
filmmaker Tim Mahoney isundertaking. So, Tim, it's a
pleasure to have you back on thepodcast and I greatly appreciate
who you are your friendship andwhat you're doing. Thank
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you. Thank you, John, for having me in. And as
we say at the end of ourthinkers, keep on thinking
everybody.
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as I tried to become more likeJesus every day. The goal of
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the series patterns of evidence,I realized recently that he had
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now here's my interview with TimMahoney about his film The
journey to Mount Sinai. This isJohn Matarazzo. Four along the
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way and the charisma newspodcast kind of doing a double
double duty right now. I'm backwith a good friend Tim Mahoney,
the filmmaker for thinking Manfilms, the patterns of evidence
franchise, I guess, coming fromthe exodus to the Moses
controversy, the Red Seacrossing part one and two. And
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now we're talking about thejourney to Mount Sinai, which
comes out October 17, and 18thon theaters all across the
country for special events. And,Tim, it's great to have you back
on the podcast, and to be ableto talk about this amazing film
on this journey that God hasbrought you on for many, many
years.
Tim Mahoney (02:55):
Gentlemen, I appreciate your taking the time
we were we're right up toOctober 17th. And 18th is coming
up here Monday and Tuesday. It'sgoing to be a nationwide release
of this next film. This is ourour fifth film that we have
released in the patterns ofevidence, archaeological side of
things. So we're continuing thejourney. And I'm very this film
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is a little bit different jobbecause I created something
called the Mount Sinaiscorecard. And some people say
well, what is the Mount Sinaiscorecard? Well, it's this
document if you go to patternsof evidence.com We're going to
be investigating six differentmountains over the course of two
films. Why? And so it's it's aninteractive experience. No.
John Matarazzo (03:42):
That is really cool. So you're you're looking
at different mountains. Okay, sothere's the Sinai Peninsula, in,
you know, in Egypt, there'sother places that that people
say that this might be MountSinai. Most of the time, we just
look at a map and we can see,okay, this is what somebody else
said, this is where it might be.
But you actually took a tripthere and a couple of trips, I
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believe. And you went there andand did some work in yourself to
find out evidence that thatwe're in patterns so that you
could see that if it what wasreally true. Tell us about that.
Tim Mahoney (04:19):
Yeah, so well patterns of evidence films. A
pattern of evidence is thescientific approach. And what do
we know is that we have thescriptures, we have the Bible,
and the Bible gives us criteriain the recording of it. And the
first five books of the Bible,Moses was writing what he was
seeing or hearing from God. Andso he was he was telling us
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information. And obviously someof the information was passed
down from generation togeneration, so that eventually
Moses was able to write this outin the first five books of the
Bible. And so but when he does,especially during the time of
the axis, there are clues thatHe's giving people and those
clues are really, reallysignificant because that's how
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we can find whether or not we'reheading in the right direction,
right. So when the Israelitesleft Egypt, they were heading
back to this mountain. And we doknow that they were told to turn
back and kept by the sea. Andthat was a film that I made just
two years ago, the red seamiracle, where what's this
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crossing? And what we've done isin this in Mount Sinai scorecard
that we have here to watch thismovie, yes, there it is. Great
job. I have listed six differentmountains that we're going to be
looking at. And the first onesare the traditional Mount Sinai,
Jebel sanea, and another onecalled Servite, or Hashem el
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Turriff, in this particularcase, so. So those are three
mountains that are SinaiPeninsula oriented, there in
that area. And those mountains,what we started to see when we
were making the film was thatthere's a lot of details, lots
of information. So we've got,let's see, 12345, we have five
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different areas we're gonna befocusing on on what is the
journey to the mountain? Okay,what was the what was the
journey? And what were the whatwere the scriptures that telling
us about the journey, and that'sin this biblical criteria per
section? If you go down a littlebit, yeah, even go down a little
bit there, the investigationcriteria, we're going to be able
to look at the Scripture versusyou can ahead of time read, do a
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little bit of prep time. Thesecond one is Midian, where's
the land of Midian? It has to bethe mountain has to be in the
vicinity of this area, becauseMoses, when he left, he fled to
the land of Midian. And thenwhen he was there, 40 years
later, he came to the backsideof the wilderness. And that
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backside of the wilderness issomething we're going to be
looking at what is thedefinition of that? And where
could that be. And then we'regoing to look at attributes. The
Bible says that the Israelitescamped in front of the mountain.
So there had to be a plain largeenough and not just a narrow
little valley, but large enoughfor the Israelites to camp in,
there had to be enough water forliterally 1000s if not millions
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of people, the Bible says therewas a stream at the mountain and
that they were able to washtheir clothes and that when the
golden calf altar was destroyed,Moses grounded up and threw it
in the stream and made peopledrink it and then there was a
cave there that Elijah went tothis is a map here of we also
show in our dog our handout, weshow where these mountains are
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located. And then there arecampsites also we we address
there on the bottom. So okay,sense of these campsites. So
that is basically then the finalquestion is, is there any
artifacts there, leftover fromthis event? And some of the
people that have the differentmodes are saying, yes, there are
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inscriptions that are talkingabout the event. Others are
saying that there are thepossibility of altars and
pillars that have still remainedfrom that event. And some are
saying that they found you know,graves massive grave site where
the Israelites are the ones thatdisobeyed and were killed after
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the golden calf incident. All ofthat information is what we're
going to be looking at. Sothat's why when we go through
this first film, I've got thescorecard. Not it's like
bowling. Have you ever gonebowling?
John Matarazzo (08:37):
Yes, I've gone bowling some days are better
than others. And it's hard tostay out of the gutter
sometimes. Yeah.
Tim Mahoney (08:43):
Well, in on the scorecard what we have there is
we've got a yes, a maybe an ANo. So as you go through the
mountains, we go through theattributes, you can see up up up
in the upper left hand corner,you got a strike a spare or
gutter ball. And you can see dothese How are you going to gauge
these mountains as we go frommountain to mountain to
mountain, right. And that'sthat's what the investigation
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is, I don't think I've been toany movies ever that had an
interactive component to it likethis.
John Matarazzo (09:12):
And that's a really cool thing. I love how as
you've done a number of thesefilms, each one, you're thinking
of more ways to communicate whatyour understanding of what
you're learning. Because reallywhat you're doing is you're not,
at least in the past films, andI'm sure you're continuing this
way, because I haven't had achance to see this screener of
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it yet. So I hope to get achance to see it soon. But you
always do a really good job ofjust displaying the evidence and
letting the audience decide. Andso it's all of your films have
an interactive element becauseof that, because you're not just
telling people this is my ownconclusion. I mean, you do have
your own conclusions as well,because you've seen the evidence
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firsthand yourself. And you'vebeen to these places. So I'm
sure You have your own thoughts.
But I appreciate that you alwaystake the time to step back and
just present the evidence andlet the audience let us as
people that are reallyinterested in finding the truth,
see the patterns ourselves. Andyeah,
Tim Mahoney (10:14):
that's awesome. Oh, thank you, John. And, and I
believe that that part isimportant for people. Because if
I, I've been learning that if Imake films, once, once I make a
film that allows the audience tosee what the pattern is, that
gives them an opportunity to, tolook at the evidence, and I let
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the different viewpoints sharewhat their strengths are, then
the audience is free, then tomake a decision. And as opposed
to making a film and a lot offilms, I think, are are less
documentary, and morepropaganda, where they look like
their documentary, but they tendto just be only telling you one
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thing, and it's not dramatic. Sothey call it a documentary, but
they're really propaganda films.
And in this particular case, Iam trying to make a film, and
the films that we're making thatactually open it up and allow
for different voices to beheard. And we can take a look at
at the information and then youas the audience can can decide.
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That's the reason why I'mhelping you out with this
scorecard here, right, so thatyou can make a decision, an
informed decision about whereMount Sinai is.
John Matarazzo (11:30):
So I love that people can get the scorecard
ahead of time. And because yourfilms are something where it's
actually good and beneficial totake notes during because
there's so much information, andyou present it in a very, very
good way that you cancontinually recap as you bring
in a new, not just elements ofit are a new point, you're
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bringing like the series ofthese different views about a
specific point. And then youbring those in, and you just
kind of keep making a bigger andbigger argument, I guess for or
just maybe a bigger and biggerdisplay of evidence. And so it's
good to take notes. But you'vejust provided an easier way for
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everybody to say, oh, yeah, yes,yes, no, or maybe. And so
that's, that's good.
Tim Mahoney (12:20):
Well, John, sometimes I actually one of my
favorite things to do is to gointo the grocery store, like to
go get something is our localgrocery store. First of all, I
do like to eat, and then it's mychance to buy things that I
want. And then you know, Ialways get like dark chocolate,
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you know certain of my thingsthat I have that I'm interested
in. And but I found that when Igo out to the grocery store,
sometimes I don't, I only gothere with one thing in mind.
But I start walking through theaisles and I see something and I
grab that and I grab somethingelse. And before you know it, my
arms are just filled with thingsI didn't know I needed before I
walked into a grocery store. AndI find these films are going to
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be like that you think you'regoing to be watching about the
film, you're going to have tohave a place to put that as your
arms or your mind gets Fuller,this mount sinai scorecard is
going to help you to kind ofclear your thoughts and be able
to at least document it. So youdon't have to hold it and get
confused about anything. Andthat's the fun part about it, I
think. And then this film isalso about what does it mean to
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go into the wilderness, becausethe Israelites actually God
calls them out of slavery. Andhe's saying, I'm going to I want
to meet you, I want to I wantto, I'm going to be your God and
and I'm going to do something atthis mountain that's very
special. And for a lot of us,we're in that same place where
God is calling us out of thisbondage. And he's calling us
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sometimes, though, in thiswilderness experience to meet
him. And he's saying that he'sgoing to provide for us and he's
going to give us he gets he'sgoing to give us what we need to
drink, what we need to eat. Andthen he's going to give us a
mission. And that's whathappened to the Israelites that
were given a mission at MountSinai. So I find this to be a
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very personal film for me,because I've been working hard
and there are times when I feellike I am in the wilderness
making these and like God, howare you going to provide? How is
this going to go forward? And
John Matarazzo (14:26):
so you weren't on this journey for a long time?
And when did you first startthis journey just for people
that that aren't familiar withthe patterns of evidence series?
Tim Mahoney (14:39):
I started being aware of it in 2000, the year
2000. So, you know, here we are.
23 years later, officially, Iwas in Egypt in 2002. And then I
went to Saudi Arabia in 2003.
And then I went to Israel in2005. So then from there on, I
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mean, I've been to you European,back to different places. So
I've been many, many trips,hundreds of trips filming, and
digging into this information.
And I think it's interestingbecause there are, you know, are
we living in? As some peoplewould say the End Times? And it
will, why should we care aboutthe Old Testament is because
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history repeats itself. TheBible even tells us that in the
book of Revelation that theplagues of the Exodus are coming
back. And there are things thatwe need to know even about the
nation of Israel, because thismountain is where the nation of
Israel becomes the nation, theymove from just being regular
people, but God's then basicallybits them together to become his
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people. And he's, you know, themission was they're supposed to
go to the promised land. And youcan learn something by this too,
is because they complained alot. They complained a lot. And
we have to look at our own livesand say, okay, it has God given
us a mission. But we'recomplaining about this, that or
the other thing, and I thinkthat's the lessons that you can
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learn from this investigation.
Yeah,
John Matarazzo (16:11):
now I saw on the, the, the scorecard, which
everybody can get if they go topatterns of evidence.com/mount,
Sinai, mt s i n a i, or just goto patterns of evidence.com. And
you can click the link there.
But I saw that you're actuallysplitting this journey to Mount
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Sinai into two films as well,because there's just too much
evidence to put into just onefilm,
Tim Mahoney (16:40):
there's an awful lot to consider. Yeah. And, you
know, I could, I felt thathappening with the red sea
miracle when we were making it,I was like, Man, I don't think
we're going to make it here. IfI'm going to really be able to
communicate Same thing here. AndI felt like after 2020 plus
years, you know, for me, 22years of working on this, you
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you just have, you know toomuch. And there's too much that
needs to be considered. And sothat's the reason why we saw it
as a two film investigation. Andwe're still trying to raise the
money for the second film. So weare a nonprofit now patterns of
evidence foundation. So ifpeople want to help us get these
films out, they can go topatterns of evidence.com and
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help us. And one way to help usis, is to go to the theater and
to see the movie. And one of thethings that I wanted to say is
that, as I've been thinkingabout this is that right now,
people are voting, you know,they're going to be voting this
fall, and a lot of political adsout there. What when I want to
film like patterns of evidencejourney to Mount Sinai, I go so
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Theater, which is going to beOctober 17, and 18th, Monday
night, Tuesday night, that's avote, if you'd be willing to
vote for that film by by gettinga ticket, inviting your Sunday
school class or inviting yoursmall group or inviting your
family or friends, go see thatmovie, because it's telling the
world that the Bible isimportant. And that that they
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they're interested, I can tellyou something, it's going to be
an amazing evening. This isyou're going to learn so much
I'm going to take you to placesyou've never been to before.
We've got inscriptions that areamazing. What if it's true, what
they're saying, that relate tothe Exodus, there's so many
things that you're going to seethat you've never seen before.
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It's going to be quite aninspiring and uplifting event.
John Matarazzo (18:35):
Wow. So can you give us a little teaser about
what some of these things mightbe? Or even just a clue.
Tim Mahoney (18:43):
The there there are inscriptions in the Sinai
Peninsula, that I believe isthat the earliest form of
Hebrew. And in our film, theMoses controversy, we were
seeing that this early, thisearly writing is connected, I
believe, to the Israelites inthe Moses controversy. And the
challenge has always been wellwhat did these inscriptions say?
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Because there's been so manydifferent interpretations about
what they say. The question is,is who is reading them the right
way, but what we have somepeople that are gonna look at
them, they're gonna read them,they're gonna say that they see
a connection to the word mana tothe golden calf. And there's
phrases that are that are areconnecting to the Exodus event
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in and around the time of ofMount Sinai when the Israelites
were there. And that's why theybelieve that Mount Sinai has to
be right there in the SinaiPeninsula because of those
inscriptions.
John Matarazzo (19:40):
Wow. Wow. So I can't wait to see this film as
I've been a fan of your filmsfrom the first time that I saw a
Facebook ad many many years agoas the as the first film was
coming out the patterns ofevidence Exodus. I was blown
away by by that ad and I knewthat I had to see the films And
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then because I was producing aTV show, I was like, I need to
get him on as a guest. And thenyou started doing more films,
and I couldn't be more happy tosee you going after what God has
called you to do, as afilmmaker, to really display
that the Bible is istrustworthy. I mean, you can,
you can bank on the fact thatwhat the Bible says is true. And
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archaeology is proving it,history is proving it. And your
films are helping to just pointpeople in the right direction.
And I want to thank you so muchfor for the work that you've
been doing and you've beenfaithful with. And there's
another film that you've beenthat you've been working on
your, the your journey home, myjourney home. Can you talk a
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little bit about that, becausethat's more of your story, Tim,
about your personal life aswell.
Tim Mahoney (20:50):
That's that's a lot of times these films, I'm not
planning on actually taking afilm in a particular direction.
But that film, The Journey Homecame about because I felt that
it was important to documentpeople who I have, who helped me
make these films, and Dr.
Leonard Moeller is a Swedish DNAresearch scientist. He was the
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one who introduced me to thewhole idea of taking a
scientific approach. And that'swhat he was doing. And so I
really have to give him all thecredit for the idea for a
patterns of evidence approachreally came from his, his
thinking, it's more methodical,it's more well, what is the what
does the Bible say we shouldlook for? What the What pattern
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would that be that patternrecognition, and then you look
for that pattern. And so Dr.
Leonard Moeller got sick. And Iwent on an investigation with
him in Jordan. And I could tellhe, he had gotten a form of
Alzheimer's, where he was losinghis ability to speak. And he was
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being locked up. And eventuallynow he's, he's passed away. And
he was the young man. I mean,and I had another, another
friend of mine in Europe aswell. That passed away. And I
thought, These are key peoplethat I looked up to, and I felt
that they could be around for along time, but then they
weren't. So my purpose or makingthe journey home was to capture
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the people that had been aroundand to tell the stories of the
making of what had happened.
While we may patterns ofevidence, because as you know,
John, there are things that whenyou're making a project or
something, God is acting in thedaily, sometimes weekly, or
throughout the year, where youlook and say, Wow, that was a
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natural that was likesupernatural that God allowed
that to happen. And we tell thestory of how we were led to
Israel, we thought we weremaking a film about the
Israelites in Egypt. And we hadthis event, this unusual board
meeting, where we then weresomething supernatural happened
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in the room. And someone read aletter about the nation of
Israel. And as they read thatletter, he sat down, he said, if
this, if this event, we're goingto have a public relations
event, and we're going to callit the Texas, okay, instead of
the Exodus. We're going to tryto do a reenactment of the
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Israelites from a walking inTexas, you know, I think Goshen
Texas, and then we're going togo to El Passover. You know, but
just to see what that would belike, just for national
exposure, that, that when heread that letter and set it
down, his name was PaulRidgeway, we had this
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supernatural event where it waslike the presence of God came in
the room and swept through theroom and, and people started to
weep. And, and so we told thatstory in this film, and there's
other powerful film stories. Butas I was working on that film, I
hired actually director RickAltizer and recall Tyler had
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made me had made the film showme the Father with the Kendricks
brothers, okay, vettery aboutfatherhood. And he started
asking me questions about mygirl, you know, tell me about
your childhood. Tell me aboutwhat happened. And I wasn't
expecting to talk about that atall. And, but we had a dark past
because my father was a man who,who had been abused and, and as,
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as he had lots of anger. And soour family was traumatized by
his past as it were, and weactually had to flee him and go
in hiding. The Journey Home isreally a film about my own
personal life. It's a film It'sa metaphor for life in general.
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And the fact that that we are ona journey, and that
there are many songs that peoplecould read, this world is not my
home, I'm just the path ispassing through. As you get a
little bit older, you start tounderstand that more clearly
that there has to be somethingmore than just the brief years
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we have here. Where do where dowe go from here. And I had the
opportunity to, I start thatfilm the journey home with a
scene of the burial of mymother. And by the way, today is
my mother's birthday. She passedaway a year and a half ago, and
we buried her during that COVIDtime. In fact, we were probably
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one of the last funeralsallowed. Because it didn't allow
people to get together. Yeah.
And so we were able to bury herand and I end with her in a in
the family cemetery inWisconsin. And she talks about,
about those who are passing on.
And the journey home as a,again, is a testimonial film
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about the testimonies of Godacting in our present lives as
we're making a film about Godacting in the past. So that's
the that's the story of thejourney home.
John Matarazzo (26:16):
And what is your hope for that film? I know, it's
your telling your story, butwhat is your hope for the
audience to take away as theywatch that?
Tim Mahoney (26:24):
You know, it meant a lot for my family. This sounds
funny, but my hope is thatpeople will be encouraged that,
that God does call us to docertain things that we don't
expect to do. And, and that youhave to have faith that if God
has a sense of direction foryou, and that's what I'd say in
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my own life is currently I'm inas you know, I'm struggling to
make the next film. And I Thereare times when I get
discouraged. I have to look pastthe situation right now. And the
journey home was me tellingstory after story of, of
obstacle. I look back onunknown, I say, Well, God really
came through. But just like theIsraelites, I'm no different in
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some cases. You know, you askyourself, well, why did the
Israelites keep complaining?
Because then they see all themiracles in the past? Didn't
they see all this that washappening? And yet they couldn't
trust God. And here I am afairly mature Christian. And I
am sometimes just like theIsraelites, I forget what God
did in the past. Right. And sothe journey home, I like to
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watch, because it reminds me ofwhat God has done in the past
when I was going throughdifficult times. But I think
what it does for a lot ofpeople, some people who have
seen all of our films, have saidthat the journey home is the
most powerful film that theyhave ever seen. Yeah, there it
is. Yeah, if you want to youcould you play a trailer from
(28:02):
there.
John Matarazzo (28:05):
We're gonna play a little bit of that trailer.
Tim Mahoney (28:09):
You have turned the sound on Yeah.
John Matarazzo (28:18):
The sound coming through
Unknown (28:19):
No, no sound. Yeah.
John Matarazzo (28:21):
Well, sure exactly how to do that with
this. But. But if you want to goto the website, patterns of
evidence.com, you can check outand see the see the entire film,
see all the things that Tim hasdone. Over the years, if you've
got the journey to Mount Sinai,the red sea miracle part one and
(28:43):
two, the journey home. Andthey're just, they're just
phenomenal, phenomenal films.
And, you know, Tim, is we're,we're running out of time here.
And I'm going to try to figureout how to play this so that
people can actually hear it. Butjust tell us a little bit about
the path to thinking Man filmsand the just that some of the
(29:04):
projects that people can beinvolved in as what you're with
what you're doing.
Tim Mahoney (29:10):
Well, we are now a pattern is out his foundation.
So we are trying to make thenext film patterns of evidence,
journey to Mount Sinai, parttwo. So my belief is God has
called me to make to bring theBible to the world to have a
dialogue with the world withthese films and to encourage
people that there is a patternof evidence of God acting in
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history. So if people want tohelp support us, they can go to
patterns of evidence.com it cango to the movie and tell all
their friends, it's going to beOctober 17 and 18th. That's this
coming Monday and Tuesday. Orthey can also go to patterns of
evidence.com and sign up to be athinker because we if you just
want to get emails and be intouch with everything every
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week, we send out emails and wealso do I have, as part of being
a part of our community, we havethe historical face society,
which is, which is, you know,for people that want to help out
with that monthly, I'll give youvideos about Bible and
archaeology that are coming upall the time. There's just a lot
(30:17):
of different videos that we makethat just help to help to
encourage people. And when yougive to that you're helping us
make more films, by the way. Andwe think that the films have
been the most powerful tool forencouraging people in their
faith, as well as if I makefilms so that they're shareable.
(30:37):
They're shareable with peoplewho don't believe they're
shareable with just a lot ofdifferent kinds of people. And
so if you want to get it becomea part of the family, we would
appreciate it. Like we've said,we're, we're working on a lot of
material to try to keep yeah,there it is. There's a number of
films and by the way, there'smore to come. And that's what we
(31:02):
when I talked about just havingfaith that God is going to
continue to do what we're doing.
I know what the other films are,we actually haven't some of them
shot. But we need to continue tohave a larger family help us to
make these films and to keepkeep the lights on as it were in
the studio.
John Matarazzo (31:20):
Yeah, that's great. And so if you go to
patterns of evidence.com, youcan be a part of that you can
check out the film, you can getyour tickets, you can see where
the where it's where it's goingto be playing on bigger screens,
October 17, and 18th. And, Tim,it is just great to reconnect
with you. It's been a littlewhile. But I'm so glad to know
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that you're making more films,and that you've got more in the
down the pipeline that will becoming out soon as well. And,
Tim, I just want to bless youfor the work that you're doing.
And I know that that the theaudience here loves
archaeological undertakings andthings that help prove that the
(32:02):
Bible was real, the stories thatwe read about in the Bible are
real, they really did happen.
And we can trust that the Bibleis true. And again, thank you so
much for just taking theinvestment of your life of your
finances of your talent, to helpother people that won't be able
to go to Egypt and Israel andsearch throughout the wilderness
(32:23):
to find the true Sinai. You'retaking people there through
these stunning films, eventhough they might not be able to
buy a plane ticket and get therethemselves. They can go and
bake, they can buy a ticket togo see this film, the 17th and
18th. And then I'm sure thatthere will be ways that people
can watch it at home orstreaming afterwards. Once that
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is once that becomes available,but go to patterns of
evidence.com and you can stay upto date with the latest that
filmmaker Tim Mahoney isundertaking. So, Tim, it's a
pleasure to have you back on thepodcast and I greatly appreciate
who you are your friendship andwhat you're doing. Thank
Tim Mahoney (33:05):
you. Thank you, John, for having me in. And as
we say at the end of ourthinkers, keep on thinking
everybody.
John Matarazzo (33:14):
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