“What To Say and How To Say It” - Nina Roesner - AlongTheWay 117 - AlongTheWay

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Nina Roesner (00:00):
when that opportunity came my question the
drop in your lap thing, then theLord planted this seed of
greater impact. And that was2005. And I ended up trying to
negotiate something with themwhere I could do both and no,
that didn't work. So I left ajob I loved and started this

(00:22):
tiny little nonprofit to go totraining. And we did a
leadership course. And we did acourse for wives. And then we,
you know, I somehow I ended upwriting some books that Thomas
Nelson and HarperCollins pickedup. I don't know, it just
happened. It dovetailed nicelyinto bringing me into a space
where I can do what I'm doingnow and help more people, I
think.

John Matarazzo (00:44):
Welcome to along the way. I'm John Matarazzo,
your host and fellow traveler,thank you for joining me along
my way as I try to become morelike Jesus every day. Have you
ever had trouble communicating?
Maybe you know what you want tosay, but you don't know how to
say it. If you can relate tothis just like I can, then you
really want to hear what NinaRosener has to say in this
episode of along the way. Ninais the founder and executive

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director of greater impact, anorganization that offers courses
and training to help peoplereach their full potential for
what God has called them to do.
She is also the host of thepodcast, what to say and how to
say it. I'll get to ourconversation in just a moment.
But as always, I want to thankyou for listening to along the
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simply go to patreon.com/alongthe way and select a level the
link to become a supporter is inmy show notes. And now here's my
along the way conversation withNina Roesner. Well, Nina
Roesner, it is great to have youon along the way. We've been
connected through the charismaPodcast Network, and you have a

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podcast on the network calledwhat to say and how to say it,
which I think is one of myfavorite names for a podcast it
is it says everything rightthere. Because I know so many
times in my life, I just don'tknow what to say or how to say
it. So you're covering both ofthose things, and especially
dealing with relationships andcommunication, and how we can

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really relate to the people thatGod has in our lives. I'm
excited to talk to you here.
I've listened to some of yourpodcast episodes, we've been on
the same charisma podcasts,network webinars, and we've been
able to hear different things.
But it's great to be able tohear your story of how God has
brought you from wherever towhere you are today, and how

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he's been leading and guidingyou So Nina, thanks so much for
being here.

Oh, thank you for having me. One of the things I
love about what you do the alongthe way podcast is so cool,
because it's like all thesedifferent people and the
tapestry that Gods weaving thestory through their life. It's
It's really neat. So I feelreally honored that, you know,
you think I have a story? Imean, I know God, definitely. I
don't think it's anywhere nearfinished, by the way. So, you

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know, hopefully, we'll see wherewe run into.

Yeah, I hope it's not finished. Because,
gosh, whenever it's finished, Ihope Jesus says you know, well
done by good yeah, servant. Youknow, that's, that's when it's
finished. Up until this up untilthat point, we're just really,
fellow travelers on a journey.
That's right, call myself I'mthe host and fellow traveler
have a longer way. And because,yes, I'm the host, but I'm
learning from the people thatGod has brought into my life.

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And I'm trying to be intentionalabout that. Because it's not
just me doing my own thing. No,God has brought people into my
life that I can glean from thatI can learn from that we can do
life together for however longGod has us on the path together.
And we can really do what Godhas for us. And relationships is
a big part of that. So yeah, I'mexcited to talk about this stuff

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with you. Nina, could you justtell the listeners a little bit
about yourself kind of like whatyou're doing now? And then we'll
work backwards from there. Yeah,

so I've got this wild, amazing opportunity in my
life, I run greater impactministries. We're a nonprofit
coaching, communication coachingand training organization. We
work with lay leaders, pastors,married couples, individuals,
and essentially kind of like yousaid about the journey, you

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know, we walk with people, andprovide them with some school
skills that they may not haveand tools to do things, you
know, but then also help themdevelop their identity in
Christ. Because that's that, Ithink, is the purpose and a lot
of ways of the journey leaves abig piece of it, you know, who
am I? And yeah, so again, we'reall asking that Yeah, I know.

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Right? So I've got about 10people that work with me some
Some are volunteers. Some arestaff people. And it's just it's
great. We work all over theworld, a lot of online stuff,
conferences and coaching, somevery

cool. So what exactly would you consider a
success in what you're doing?

Yeah, you know, it's not the world's definition.
Right, essentially. What a greatquestion. That is the I think
the biggest evidentiary responseof success would be somebody
stepping into a space withoutfear. I can look 100 different
ways, whether it's, you know, Iwork with people that are

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business owners to the, youknow, are gonna give a speech or
something. They're terrified ofpublic speaking, like, who isn't
right. And I spent 15 years withDale Carnegie doing public
speaking training. So for me,it's super fun for most people.
The thought that it's fun makesyou it's like, what is wrong
with you? You know,

yeah, I know, public speaking is normally
people like it's in the top 10players. It's normally Yeah,
like, number one or two. Publicspeaking.

Yeah, next to death and snakes and stuff. So
you'd rather be in the box?
Yeah. Put me in the box at thefuneral instead of making me
give a eulogy. That'd be mychoice, right? For most people.
But, but you know, havingsomebody step into a space and
say, Yeah, I'll speak at thatyouth event, and then have the
enthusiasm instead of fear to godo that, or a husband to be able

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to sit down with his wife andsay, you know, I love you. And
this drinking thing needs tostop. How can I help you? No, it
looks different in everybody'ssituation. But it I think
success is when we, we step intofaith instead of fear,

stepping into faith instead of fear. That is a
great definition for success. Ilike that a lot. You know, what
are some ways that you havestepped into faith instead of
fear?

Yeah, so doing what I'm doing now, we could

maybe we could back up a little bit. Let's
let's set the table for yourlifestyle. Yeah, just go for the
big question there right away.
It just kind of sent me up and Isaid, Wait a second. We don't
know her story. Yeah. So let'slet's work our way to that
question. It's, how have you hadthat faith instead of fear in
your life? But let's, let'sbuild up to that. Okay. So let's

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go back into your story of howyou met Jesus, where you grew
up, you know, what are some ofthose key things in your life
that as you're, as you'rethinking about your life's
journey that stand out to youand that have helped bring you
to where you are today? Yeah,

so I was an atheist. And I grew up in
Montana, and I was a sweet kid,bullied by others. I mean, it's
like wandered around with anaive sign on my chest, on big
balls, I kicked me, you know, Ididn't, didn't know how to
interact with other kids my age.
And so I got live in tar kickedme physically beat up. Coming

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home from school. Yeah, it wasawful. And at age 10, I decided
that if God was gonna allowstuff like that, to happen to a
kid, he wasn't real. Wow. So Iwas just done with that. Right.
And

it's a pretty logical thought, though. You
think? Yeah, like, that's, thatmakes sense. Yeah.

I've spent two years. It's weird that I
remember this. But I prayed forthe time I was eight until I was
10. For this stuff to stop in mylife. And it didn't. So I just
decided, okay, well, that's awaste of time, then I'm not
loved by God. He's not real.
Therefore, I've done with that.
And suffered through middleschool and high school somehow
survived. I did have thisincredible relationship with my

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dad, though. He was inbroadcasting you and a couple of
radio stations in Montana, whereI was growing up. And so I spent
my life working from the timethat you know, I, well, I
earliest memories are I'm atthis in the studio, right? Yeah.
And he rescued me from thepeople at school, because I just
go out there after work or afterschool and hang out with him.

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And he weren't, he was abusiness owner. So he was there
till like, 830 at night. Andthen I'd come home and go to
school the next day and do itall over again. And the Lord met
me. When I was in college. Istarted dating this guy, who, by
the way, I'm married just tospoiler alert there. But he
dumped me cuz he said, You'retoo irresponsible. And he was

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actually right. Because I was Iwas just there to have a good
time. And, you know, wasn'treally hitting the books. Didn't
cares, just, you know? So he'slike, I'm not gonna date you.
But we long story short, weconnected again. Well, he was a
Christian. So that then became aproblem for him that I wasn't
right. And I was like, Yeah,fine. I'll give this
Christianity thing a try. So Itried it. And trying it then

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meant that I was working forDale Carnegie at the time and I
remember saying, okay, God, ifyou're so cool if you're all bad
if you're real, and I've gotthis history that you're not,
you're gonna pop this cassetteout of my tape player. This is
back in the dark ages when theyhad those little, tiny little
three by five card sizedcassettes, right? Yeah. And so

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it had been stuck in there forlike over a week. And I every
time I get my car, I try to popthe thing out and it wouldn't
come. And I'm dating this dude.
And he's all you know,questioning things and asking me
questions and challenging me andI'm fine. I'll try this. I'm
like, okay, so if you're real,you can get this out of your
right you part sees and, youknow, move mountains, all that

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stuff, right? raise the dead.
This should be nothing. Iwouldn't ask that question, by
the way today in that fashion,like, not at all. But this is 30
Some years ago, 35 years ago.
So. Yeah, so push the button andit popped out like an hour
before that. It didn't. There'sbeen stuck there for a week. I
almost wrecked my cars. Like,are you kidding me? And oh, wow.

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Yeah, it was really just kindof, uh, okay. And then I was on
a sales call is working for DaleCarnegie's after I was done
graduate school and moved towhere Jim, my now husband lived
the city and I was Iowa in. So Iwas I was working for Carnegie
and I'm out on the sales call, Iget this phone message. And it's
the biggest lie ever landed withthe company. It was from this

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dude named Christian. And I justkind of went, Okay, ah, so I
thought, well, I'll doChristianity. So for about three
years, I quote unquote, didChristianity you know, check the
boxes. And we were at Biblestudy one night, and I said to
the people that were there. Sowhat's the point of all of this?

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You know, I'm going to church,I'm serving in the nursery. I'm,
you know, reading my Bible. Idon't get it. It just literally
just don't get this. What is thepoint? And they all look at me
like I have three heads. And aswell as the relationship with
Jesus part. And I'm like, Well,what does that even mean?
Because I clearly don't havethat. I don't know what that is.
And they all just kind of lookedat each other. And it was a

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really awkward moment. Nobodygave me any answers. Somebody
asked if somebody wanted somemore coffee, and everybody moved
on. And I remember going homethat night going.
They don't know. And they do allof this, like, what's the point
of all of this stuff? You know,I said the prayer, been doing

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this stuff. I don't get it. Andso I told him, I told the Lord,
I said, you know, so can youhelp me get it? Because there's
people that get it? I've seenthem. I run into them at church.
I don't know them very well, butthey seem to be experiencing
something I don't have. So whatis that? And can you help me get
you. And that became a verticalgrowth curve. It was shortly

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after that, that I woke up inthe middle of the night. And the
I think it was one of theGospels, I just was overwhelmed
with the sense of what he'd donefor me. And I had this really
deep awareness that if I'd havebeen the only person on the
planet, he still would have wentthrough what he went through to

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be with me to save me. And Itold him, I was just a train
wreck, right? crying on my, wehad these couches that were read
fabric, I really liked them.
They didn't last long enough totalk on it. But yeah, so I'm
crying and and I just went, youknow what? I'll do anything for
you. And those verses fromElijah, where he? I think it's

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an Isaiah actually where he, hewas talking to the Lord and the
angel came down and touched hislips with a coal and they were
like, Who shall we send? And I,I just had that all those verses
fill up my brain. And I said,Send me I'll go, I'll do
anything for you. Anything. Andthat was life changing. I

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started seeing God everywhere. Istarted experiencing him
different and I'd quote unquote,been a Christian, right? For
probably a good seven years bythat point. But I hadn't had an
encounter with the Holy Spiritor Jesus until then. I think.

Wow. So you were doing all the right things doing
the religious thing? Yeah. Butthat that moment where you just
described Isaiah chapter sixhappened to you? Yeah. I
goodness. So do you startedseeing things different at that
point? Yeah, that's, that'samazing. Like, what was the
biggest thing that that stoodout to you? That was different?

Yeah. Visually, that morning, when I got up and
went outside, everything lookeddifferent. It was like there
were more colors in the world.
This is strange to sayexperience things at a sharper
edge to them clarity, visually,the world was just more
beautiful. Very strange. Um,Yeah, and light had color to it.
And I've I grew up in Montana.

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It's one of the most beautifulplaces on the planet, right? I'd
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Okay, sounds good.

But the beauty of living I mean, I'm, I'm in
stinking Ohio. And Ohio isbeautiful. I'm like, what's that
about? You know, and it just hadgratitude and awareness of
beauty that I didn't havebefore. Yes, different.

I know what you're talking about when you're
talking about that, thatgratitude and just the awareness
of beauty. You know, I movedfrom Pittsburgh, and I'm down in
Central Florida in Orlando now.
And as we're recording this,it's literally been now just
over a year that I've been here.
And there's been several timeswhere I feel like, God's done

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that to my eyes, again, just tokind of like, all of a sudden,
everything gets more vibrant,and more beautiful. And a couple
of weeks ago, I actually justwas like, You know what, I want
to go see a good sunset. Sothat's my goal. For this
afternoon, I'm gonna go find aplace where I can see the
sunset. And it's just going tobe beautiful. Because I just
felt like God wanted me toprioritize his beauty. And so I

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went up to Lake Monroe, up inSanford, which is just a couple
of miles from my apartment. AndI just watched the sunset over
the lake. And it was just like,blown away by who God is, and
how creative and how beautifulhis creation is. And I just felt
this closeness to God that, youknow, sometimes you just have to
take that step of faith. Andeven though it's like, God wants

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me to watch a sunset with him.
Okay, yeah, I'll do that. Youknow, but it's like, there was
something that God wanted to dothat it wouldn't have happened
unless I was obedient.

Yeah. And that the way it is so often. Yeah, yeah.

Totally. That's cool. Totally. So So what
happened with you after thatexperience, after those colors
became more vibrant, and you hadthat, that encounter with the
Lord.

And so I was a parent. And I would call myself
a fearful parent. Because Ididn't know what I was doing.
And I knew that I didn't knowwhat I was doing. And I was
afraid of messing up theselittle people, right. And I
wasn't afraid after that. Iliterally went from being a
perfectionistic parent, youknow, very concerned about

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outcome and behavior, and youknow, all the legalistic
garbage, right. And I think alot of those people are well,
meaning I know, I was right, Iwas doing my best. I was totally
in the wrong mindset, though.
But I had so much grace for mykids, literally. Just so much
more flexibility. And his Oh,cool. You made a mistake. Let's
learn something what you knowwhat happened? You know, just

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No, I wasn't. I mean, I wasn'tsuper angry parent before. But I
had like next and then afterthat. And not that I was
unflappable by any stretch. Andwe raised two boys and a girl
and those boys, man, Oh, myword. I love man. I gave birth
to two of them. But holy heck,they're different than checks.

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They show us was very true wildanimals and things and, and oh,
yeah, blow stuff up and use whatyou know, just very interesting.
A little different. But the theparenting piece changed, I was
just a lot more laid back. Ithought my role is more of a
coach and a journey. Walker, ifyou will, like I was walking

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with a little bit ahead of thetrail, you know, just make sure
it was safe, but with them. Andthen there were there were
places in the path where I justwalked behind them as they
walked down their own, you know,so it's just a different
perspective on parenting. Ithink that was the biggest
change immediately. Yeah.

So you were working with Dale Carnegie and
that organization and helpingpeople speak in public and and
all those different things whichI've heard nothing but great
things about the Dale Carnegietraining. How did that set you
up for what you're doing now?
And what was the what's thebiggest takeaway that you can
carry from that?

So Carnegie's amazing organization that the
largest oldest human relations,human development organization
in the world, brilliant people,Christian people, Carnegie was a
Christian. I loved it. It was aincredible company to work for.
And I did management training,leadership training, human

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relations, training, stressmanagement, public speaking
sales, you name it, we weredoing it right Fun, wonderful
place to work. And it was a verysimple business model. When I
started working for them, thoughI was I loved what I did. And I
love the impact the you know, in1214 weeks, people can show up

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one way at the beginning. Andthen three months later, there's
somebody completely different.
And so this method of trainingwas amazing. And there was
biblical exposure, I mean, howto stop worrying and start
living his book talked a lotabout Jesus. And, and all of the
principles are scriptural.
There, it's a beautiful course.
But the neat thing about it wasthat, you know, that that

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training method, the way youinteract with people is super,
super healthy. And I ached Ilonged for people that couldn't
afford, you know, the $1,000.
Back in the Dark Ages, when Istarted things like $2,000 A
head now, to sit in the seat totake this wonderful training
experience. And most peoplecan't afford that. Small

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business owners have a hard timescraping that up if you work for
a large corporation. Absolutely.
And I had tons of C suite peoplethat I worked with, you know,
that show up in my classes andstuff, right, Coach
independently. Easy peasy to getthem right. That's nothing too
grand for training, nothing,right. But from very early on, I
was burdened with wow, wouldn'tit be cool if this was available
to people that do God's workalone, like that's their thing.

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And Carnegie was trying topromote me, I was the instructor
development manager here inCincinnati over a couple of
states and people that weredoing the training, developing
them having grown their skills,and we were supposed to promote
me and move me to New York atsome point. But I had little
kids and I was struggling withthat. I didn't want to work full

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time and wanted to homeschool mychildren. I wanted to be a mom.
I wanted to just do this forpart time. And the Lord was
like, Yeah, how about we dogreater impact instead? And I'm
like, what is that? And so therewas this time where I mean, I'd
constantly pray that God wouldgive me drugs and drop whatever
you want me to infer Carnegie inmy lap, because it's so much fun

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and so rewarding. I just want tosay yes to whatever you bring.
And so I was working probably1015 hours, 20 hours a week,
part time doing the mom thing.
And then they wanted to make mefull time which I didn't want to
trade my kids for that. So whenthat opportunity came, I
questioned the drop in your lapthing. And then the Lord planted

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this seed of greater impact. Andthat was 2005. And I ended up
trying to negotiate somethingwith them where I could do both
and no, that didn't work. So Ileft a job I loved and started
this tiny little nonprofit to goto training. And we did a
leadership course. And we did acourse for wives. And then we,

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you know, I somehow I ended upwriting some books that Thomas
Nelson and HarperCollins pickedup, I don't know it just
happened. And so it dovetailsnicely into bringing me into a
space where I could do what I'mdoing now and help more people,
I think,

yeah, right. And actually, the first time that we
met, although we didn'tofficially meet you were a guest
virtually on the TV show that Iused to produce. And actually,
you were the very last guestthat I had on that program,
before I moved to Orlando towork with charisma, but it was
called hope today, I willdefinitely put a link so that
people can watch that episode inthe in the description. And so

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they can just check that out.
And you can see Nina with withmy old TV host. That was pretty
cool. But I actually, you know,you're talking about training
and equipping people. And youknow, I literally was training
and equipping the next producer,I gave a four week notice,
because I love the vision ofwhat God had me do for those six
years. And I didn't want it todrop at all. And so I gave him

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four weeks notice. So the firstcouple of weeks, they were
trying to figure out a solution.
And then the last two weeks, Iwas literally training my
replacement who's been doing agreat job since awesome. His
name is Neil. And so Neilactually did the stuff that I
would normally do with you. Butwe did get to interact a little
bit on the program there. And sothat's kind of a cool thing. So

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you always do have a specialplace in my heart. But just
knowing that your book that youjust mentioned, was the thing
that opened up the door for youto be on that television
program. And so basically, withyou being obedient, God keeps
opening up doors for you. Justlike how me being obedient, to
start a podcast opened up thedoor for me to have a different

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trajectory in my career as well.
So, being obedient is a bigdeal. And you took that step of
obedience to Okay, God's tellingyou to do this greater impact
thing. And it's different thanwhat you had been doing, but
there's some definitesimilarities. But what would you
describe as greater impactcompared to what you were doing
before?

So the big thing that we're about is connection
One and its connection with Godwith yourself and other people.
Most people when you sayconnection with God, they go
okay, not sure what that means.
But I know that's a thing that'sout there. Okay, I want to learn
more about that. Yeah. Or yousay other people, they're like,
Yeah, well, I've got all thisconflict in my marriage. I can't
stand my 13 year old. So yeah, Iknow about that. You talk about

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with yourself as like, what doesthat even mean? When people
don't have this aware, there'san awareness it's lacking where
we, we have a relationship withourselves that literally
determines the relationship wehave with everybody else. So if
let's say you asked me to dosomething for you, and I don't
have time to do it, but I wantyou to, I'm a people pleaser, I

(25:38):
have some codependency issues inmy life. And I want you to like
me so much that I'll tell youyes about that. I've just
betrayed myself so damaged thetrust that I have with myself,
when I say I'm going to do athing I know I really shouldn't
be doing or couldn't do or don'twant to do. And what that then
does is it damages the identitythat God has given me. And so

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it's really more effective tosay, Hey, John, I love to help
you with that. Here's the namesof a couple of people who might
be able to do that. I wish Icould help you, but I can't.
It's shocking to me. How manypeople struggle with that
concept? But they do. Yeah. Andso the the big difference

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between Carnegie which isamazing, and people get self
confidence, but it's morebusiness related. Sure. The
greater impact is about is it'smore about connection related
connection with God, ourselvesand other people in and how do
we do that in a healthy way thatsteps into what God has for us,
you know, we step into faith andnot fear.

Yeah. So what was the biggest thing about
overcoming fear for you to takethis step of faith?

Unknown (26:55):
Well, yeah, I told you, we get back to this place. It
just yeah, we're back to thatnow. Yeah, we're back to here.
Back to that.

So my dad owned a couple of reuse Asians. So I got
to the great privilege of seeinghim struggle with a small
business. And then I was an HRdirector for five years for a
midsize and 600 employeemanufacturing company. And I
always said I'd never own my ownbusiness. Because it there's all

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this legal garbage, right? Imean, it's just horrible. Right?
Now I run a nonprofit, which isthe worst of all worlds, you
have no, all the rules, and nomoney. You know, that piece of
it. But the thing that made it,I didn't, I didn't have fears
leaving Carnegie and steppinginto this, I felt called to do

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it. And I think that's thenumber one big takeaway is that
when you have faith, when you,when you have a relationship
with God, when you're connectedto God, you'll do whatever he
wants you to do. And you don'teven think about it. There's no
moment of fear. It's justaction. We're just doing a thing
together. He's he and I arewalking down this thing is like,
hey, Nina, how about that overthere? It'd be like, Okay, let's

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do it. Yeah, don't think aboutit. The space is where I run
into fear are the ones where Iforget that he's there. It's no
different than Peter getting onthe boat. You know, he gets out
of the boat, and he takes hiseyes off of Jesus, he looks at
the waves. And then he's like,Yeah, that's what we do. And
that's the only time that I'mafraid is when I take my eyes

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off of what God and I are doingwhat he's doing through me that
I get this great privilege ofbeing part of. And then I think
about myself. And what's crazyis that ties into all of this
stuff with public speaking,because you're only nervous when
you're thinking about yourself.
You're only nervous in aconflict when you're thinking
about what you want and thinkingabout yourself and beings. So if

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we just add it sounds trite andkeep your eyes on Jesus, but you
know, that's really yet yeah,

yeah. So keeping your eyes on Jesus definitely
helps you overcome the fear youhave. What advice would you give
to somebody that is looking totake a small first step in
choosing faith over fear?

Yeah, the most effective thing to do is to be
with him in that I ride horsesaggressively. Not that I'm an
aggressive person, but we dosome dangerous things like wild
there's just wild stuff ontrails and jumping locks and
sliding down hills and oh, wow,riding when the trails are

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really muddy. And, you know, alot of average riders wouldn't
go out and do that. It's notthat I'm so cool. It's just

Unknown (29:42):
so like, off road horse riding. Yeah, pretty much.

You treat your horse like an ATV.

Yeah, and it's not my horse.

Please, please, Peter. Don't send any Yeah, I

know, right? Like, what are sorry, I'm gonna get
letters no that the thing is asis its its courses are these
incredible creatures that haveall this potential within them
speed and, and you know this thelaunching of themselves over
things and you fly on a horseand it's amazing. And there's so
much potential of it reallyexperiencing something

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exhilarating, which can also beterrifying, right? So one of the
reasons I like to ride like thisis because that's a place where
I have to check myself with theLord ago, okay, I'm noticing my
throat is full of my heart andit's pounding. I think I might
be terrified here, am I? So I'mconcerned, I'm gonna die like

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right now can What? Are we okay?
Am I okay, here, you know, thosekinds of conversations with God.
And so when you're looking at,okay, well, I've got this thing
I want to go do. And it might besomething small, in quotes
small, right? Because big thingshappen when you do lots of
little small things, right? Sothe small thing might be putting

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it out there that, hey, I wantto start a business or, Hey, I
think you're pretty, you know, Ireally like you or, Hey, you're
saying thank you to the guy thatyou know, or whatever, you know,
stopping at the guys desk, youknow that you've seen it on
campus, you know, whatever isterrifying for people. You know,
we get afraid when we'rethinking about ourselves. And so

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instead of thinking aboutourselves, we need to take those
thoughts captive, toss them out,say, you know, Satan, go, fear
go. And then Lord, what do youwant from me in the spot? Now,
what are we doing here? What doyou want? What do we what do you
want me to do? And he is, youknow, he's so good does Yeah,
you might get bruised up andbanged up a little bit, but you

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know that you're still safe.
Like, we just need to redefinewhat safe means because safe
means what happy, carefree No.
Safe means I'm in one piece,emotionally, mentally,
spiritually, maybe physically.

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But I know who I am that safeand do anything when I know who
I am. And that identity piece iswhere we find safety. But that
comes from Him. If that makesany sense. That's a lot of Oh,
yeah.

I think there's some good action steps in what
you've said. And let me see if Ican pull out some of those.
Yeah, looking for opportunitiesto, in a safe place seat,
recognize where you feel fear,and ask God to come into that,
like you were talking about, youknow, the horses jumping? You
could you're like, Okay, sothere's a legitimate thing here

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that's happening where thiscould be dangerous. But God,
where are you in this? Yeah, andasking those situations. That's
just the example that you gave,not everybody can go out and
ride a horse. But there's thingsin life where you feel
terrified. But rather thanletting that fear take over, you
invite Jesus to come in andspeak to that situation, and

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give you his perspective onthat. Is that Is that a good
summation of what you've justsaid?

Yeah. And, John, if I could back the train up
even a little bit further fromthat it's time to do something
scary, you know, okay, we thinkwe, I mean, we're so caught up
in looking good and stupidsocial media makes that even
worse these days, you know, thereality is, is life is lived
through tons of mistakes,businesses fail, until they

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don't, and then they'resuccessful. Right? The most most
companies fail, a lot ofmarriages fail. But the way you
don't fail is by staying in thegame by continuing to try go
following Christ. The onlydifference between a successful
business and one that fails isdid you quit, because most of
them give up at two years andseven years when things are

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hardest. Same thing, evenmarriages give up when it's
hardest. Now you don't give uplet's learn something here.
Let's do it scared, let's do it.
And, you know, keep grabbing onto Jesus and just do the next
thing. But you got to go do thestuff and expect this is gonna
be hard. Don't waste a day,don't waste this afternoon, this
evening, this morning, whateverit Don't let a single day go by

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that isn't something outsideyour comfort zone. Because
otherwise we're not living. Nopoint to that.

Amen. That is good. Do something scary. That
is a good takeaway. And thenthat'll force you into that
situation where you then have toask Jesus into that situation,
and ask for his perspective,that's good. So it's kind of
you're not just waiting for thatsituation to happen, right? Or
planning that skydiving oreverybody, I think everybody
talks about something like that,or at least thinks about it and

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sometimes thought of it is scaryenough to pull people away from
that. So maybe that maybe justplanning something would give
you that that little bit of fearthat you can invite Jesus in
there and see what he says aboutSo that's really good. That's
very practical. And I appreciatethat because I want things to be
practical, because it's great tothink about things and have

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thought exercises. But if Ican't apply it to my life, what
difference does it make? Youjust helped bring it down to
that level. And I appreciatethat greatly. You know, I want
to talk a little bit about yourpodcast now, which is what to
say and how to say it on thecharisma Podcast Network. And
it's such a great name for apodcast, but it's more than
that. I want to hear why did youstart it? What are you

(35:32):
accomplishing? And what are youseeing as a result?

Thank you for that. It's crazy. The whole
purpose of the podcast is tohelp people do scary things like
conflict, right? Most people areconflict avoidant, most people
do it badly. Most people havemoments of fear in the middle of
conflict. And I'm like, No, thisis an opportunity for an

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intimate connection between youand this other person, and even
God, hello. But it reallyconflict everybody's all freaked
out about and honestly, I don'tenjoy it. But I look at it like
it's opportunity. Cool. Let'slearn something. How can I grow
myself? Yeah, oh, I don't wantto go do that thing. There's
some fear thing there. Right?
What's the resistance? You know,how do I grow as a human? And

(36:16):
then how do I help somebody elsegrow? So you know, I talked to
some people. We, we talked tosome authors, we talked to
people on our staff, got atherapist talked to, we talked
about tough communication stuff.
How do you navigate stickycommunication? Thanks.

Yeah, that's, that's all good. And very
needed. Yeah. Very, very needed.
How did you decide that youwanted to capture those
conversations and put them outthere for the world?

Um, well, it's funny. I, I've been praying
about podcasting for about threeor four years. I love broadcast
media. LOVE doing radio show you

Unknown (36:54):
grew up with it. Yeah.
It's amazing. Yeah. And I'mjealous of that.

It is, it is worth yeah, having was great. And some
of the best times I've ever beenon Focus on the Family a number
of times and family life, and itis love radio, but I don't get
to do it every single day.
Podcasting is a way to do that.
But I didn't know enough aboutit. And I was like, I don't know
what to do with this. Usually,when God's calling me into
space, he'll give me some sortof something to go make a thing

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happen. And I didn't have thedesire to go learn about it. I
just was praying about it. Youknow, am I supposed to do this?
Do you want I'm kind of busy?
Are we what are we doing? And Ihad a couple of people in
December 2020, say, Hey, haveyou ever thought about doing a
podcast? And like, Well, yeah,well, how come you're not doing
it? Because I don't know. I'mjust not. And then one of the
charisma people called me andsaid they found one of the first

(37:45):
books I wrote, which was therespect err, and they they're
like, Oh, we think you know,that might be a good fit. What
do you think? And I'm like,Well, if you're gonna do the
heavy lifting, and how do you dothis thing? Sure. Let's do it.
And so we did. Yeah, that's whatpulled us in.

But the heavy lifting you mean, getting it out
there, you know, which is, whichis the benefit, I think, for the
charisma Podcast Network. Andthat's helped my podcast grow
substantially, where, before Istarted, I had about 7000
downloads in the first year ofmy podcast, and I had reached 40
different countries, which as amissionary for eight years, that

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I was missionary to 15 differentcountries. I was like, blown
away, like, man, I've, my voiceis now reaching 40 different
countries. That's amazing. WhenI joined charisma, um, God gave
me the opportunity to do that.
Within a year, I had now 70,000.
And now I'm over 135,000downloads, and people all around
the world have heard it 206countries now by by just

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Christmas, able to help shareand reach that, that Christian
audience, which is awesome. AndI went through a season where I
was kind of just frustrated withthe things that I was doing. And
I was like, I don't feel likeI'm making an impact, which is
kind of a strange thing. Butwhen you're in your room
sometimes and you're like, Idon't, I feel like I'm just
recording into a microphone. Idon't know if anybody's hearing

(39:08):
this. And God showed me that orhe said to me, John, you're
you're a missionary to 15different countries and your
feet have been to 15 differentcountries, but your voice has
been now to 206. And I'm like,Okay, God, I'm gonna continue to
do what you've called me to do.
And through this podcast, andso, yeah, but I'm so glad that
you're on the you're on thenetwork with me and we get to

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help encourage each other andlift each other up and kind of
share audiences as best we canand learn from each other. This
is this is great. What has beensomething that's been
interesting for you to do withpodcasting. Like what's what's
been as a nice surprise.

I got to interview John Lynch. I don't know if
you've read anything of his hecalls himself a B grade author,
like, cracks me up. He was amegachurch pastor. He's now A
full time author. He's got anumber of books, and he's with
true face ministries. One of thebooks that he wrote with a team

(40:08):
of people from true face iscalled on my worst day. And it's
a devotional that's, gosh, it'ssuch a powerful thing. There.
And then he's got another onecalled the cure. But
essentially, it's a very laidback honest relationship
perspective about who the Lordis and how simple they think

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Jesus really is, and and howsimple it is to connect with
him. And, and you can tell byjust all the thoughts that
people have, and you and I bothright, that get in the way of
our relationship with Christ.
But meeting with him, I thoughtI'd do this, you know, 20
minutes, I asked him for 20minutes of his time, and I'd
seen him speak at a conference.

(40:53):
And he's like, Yeah, sure. Wetalked for like, an hour and a
half, right? And it was the mostI looked up as like, Oh, my
word. I'm so sorry. I've takenso much of your time. He's like,
No, this is great. And he reallymeant that. And you probably
know, from doing this, you'veprobably met some of the most
amazing people in the world.
Doing what you do for a livingpeople. Yeah, yeah. That yeah,
that I think is the best part ofpodcasting is the bring what God

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has put inside someone else, topeople in a way that I wouldn't
be able to say, or you know,what I mean? Like the Kinect,
right,

right. You know, it's interesting how you how you
said that it kind of it's prettyclosely aligned to my view of
the of how I look at theseinterviews, and these
conversations, you know, I,outside of podcasting, I tried
to have this same view as well,where I believe that God has
deposited gems inside ofeverybody. And it's us. It's up

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to us through conversation andthrough asking good questions,
Holy Spirit lead questions, tomine out that goal is to mine
out those gems, and to helpdisplay them in a way that other
people can, can reap thebenefits of that and see the
beauty in that. And so just byasking questions, and having
those conversations and allowingthat moment of silence to kind

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of linger just a little bitlonger. So which then spurs on
something that we weren'toriginally planning on saying, I
love that aspect ofconversations, and being able to
record it and share it withpeople is wonderful. And it's
such an honor that God's calledus to be able to do something
like that. So but I do strugglewith words sometimes. And I

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really do want to know what tosay, and how to say it. What is
some advice that you can give meit just a general situations of
like, I want to say something,but I don't know how to say it.
In an uncomfortable situation.

Yeah. So if I could add something to that
first, go for it. Because Oh,for sure you do something that
is, and I think everybody couldlearn from you in what you've
demonstrated in this interview,and I'm nine listened to a few
of your podcasts, you do thisall the time, you have a genuine
curiosity about people. And yourheart is in exactly the right

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place. That's where we need tobe with other people. Thank you.
When we are genuinely curiousabout them, we're going to ask
questions, we're going to beinterested in them. And then
that might hit on somethingwithin us that we can share as
well. And then there's dialoguethat ensues from that. So a lot
of people don't know how to haveconversation at all right? Like,
how do you do it? You're doinglike you're asking questions.

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And that's, that's really it.
But But that comes from a heartof really being interested in
the first place. Yeah, you'vechosen to be curious. And that
comes across as genuine. Eithereither you're faking it well, or
you got the Holy Spirit movingin. Yeah. Which I think is the
latter.

Yeah. I don't have enough energy to be fake.
That's that's,

I know, right?
Yeah, that's legit. But to yourquestion, you know, what are
some things I think one of themost common things that people
could do differently, is notneed to solve the problem,
right, then we tend to beemotionally motivated. So
because I feel bad in thismoment, I want to feel better.
I'm going to make this yourproblem or you're going to tell

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me something that will make mefeel better. No, no, no, that's
not how that works. RMU emotionsare cues for something happening
within us. And so stop, don'tsay anything, you're going to
damage something, maybe even aperson and insert a little bit
of space. They're like, Hey, Ilove you. And I want to talk

(44:40):
about this. There's somethinggoing on in me right now. I want
to I'm gonna go explore that forabout 20 minutes and I'll be
back. That sounds like oh, justthis one sentence, but it's a
hey, I love you. I'm going toaffirm our status a
relationship. I want to explorethis. I'm not abandoning you
forever. I want to talk aboutthis thing. So I'm not

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stonewalling you. I'm gonna takeabout 20 minutes, and I set a
time for how long I'm gonna taketo do this. And then I'm going
to come back to it, which mostpeople have a fear of rejection
or abandonment. And so we'reaffirming and reassuring people
that we're going to come back tothis thing. And then when we
come back to well, so and thenthat space, like, what do we do?

(45:23):
We go, Okay, God, like, why didthat thing he said, upset me so
much. Like, what is that in me?
And this is the thing thatpeople don't get. And nobody
likes it when I say this. Butthis is, I mean, Matt,
communication stuff for a longtime, three plus decades is not
my first rodeo. Here's thetruth. Nobody wants to know,

(45:45):
when you feel emotional, whenyou're angry when you're upset
when you've been hurt. Yeah,that person may have done a
thing, but the reason you'rehaving a reaction is within you.
Ouch. That's so true. Yeah,that's so true. And so what does
that mean? It means I've got athing within me that needs to be
dealt with. That is separatefrom the fact that you just ran

(46:09):
over my cat. Okay, so we killedmy cat, and we're gonna deal
with that later. And yeah, okay,be normal to be upset about
that. I'm gonna miss my cat. Butthe reason I'm this upset, and
I'm about to erupt, volatilitywise, emotionally garbage all
over you. That's, that's withinme. So Lord, what's that about?

(46:29):
What am I feeling? Why am Ifeeling it? And then working
through that? And then comingback to the conversation. And
this is the piece that peoplemiss, too. It's just saying,
hey, you know, we're talking alittle bit ago about XYZ, is now
a good time to bring that upagain, because you don't know
what happened. And the odds?
Yeah, the odds of them being ina good place. And you being in a

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good place at the same time, arelike less than 10% gotten out of
University of Washington has theresearch, it's not even 25%, you
think it'd be a quadrant, right?
It's not it's less than that. Soyou got to have a good time.
Because they may have just gotthemselves all good and spun up
over a year leaving theconversation even if you did it,

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right. So yeah, askingpermission to have the
conversation, setting a goodtime, so that both of you show
up at your best, thenfacilitates better outcomes.

Wow. Wow. You know, Nina, I do want to get to
your along the way moment like,I'm going to ask that that
question, that core questionthat every podcast episode has.
But I don't want to go away fromwhat we're talking about right
here. Because I think this is sokey. And there's a few things
that I've been thinking about asI've been talking, as you said,
it's okay to take a step back,basically take a step back from

(47:45):
the situation. And you listedall these amazing steps in that
phrase to be able to communicateto people that you have value
I'm not ready to, I'm not readyto respond yet. And then let me
process it and come back. Butjust taking that step to say
that is a little bit fearful forpeople that are internal

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processors and introverts, youknow, in a world, especially in
like business and things likethat, you know, we're in church
really a lot to where it'sdominated by extroverts,
dominated by people that arequick on their feet thinking and
speaking. And then somebody thatis, you know, I need a process,
I need to think about it. Like,we just feel overwhelmed. And we

(48:28):
just feel like we're shut downand we don't have a voice and
some of those things, but I lovehow you just address this. And
you said, it's okay to basicallysay, give me can you give me a
few minutes to figure this out.
But you took it a step furtherand say, when you come back ask
is, this is a good time, justbecause you're ready doesn't

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mean that they're ready, get onthe same page that is so
valuable. If you've beenlistening to this episode, that
might be your big takeaway.
Okay. You know, that's, that isone of the many, many gems that
Nina has has offered to the toour listeners here. Oh, my
goodness, that is so so good.
And there's a back when I was inYouth With A Mission, somebody

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taught us this acronym of halt,h a l t. If you're hungry,
Angry, Lonely or Tired. Don'tmake any major life decisions,
right. And also, if you'rehungry, Angry, Lonely or Tired,
it's probably a good time toback away because you're
probably going to say somethingyou're going to regret. And then
you're going to do the oppositeof what to say and how to say
it. Very true. So my goodness,that's so good Nene. It is so

(49:36):
good. And I am going to have tolisten to that portion, probably
a couple different times just toget all the good things that
you've just shared. I reallyhope that everybody grabs a hold
of that. That's it that's gonnahelp a lot of interpersonal
relationship issues foreverybody if you if you really
do apply that. So thank you forbeing Get that out. Oh,

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goodness, you're

welcome. That's, that's awesome. Yeah, as an
extrovert I know personally, butI don't like it when people do
that to me because I want to I'mlike, oh, it's all this. No, I'm
alright. But if we don't dothat, if we don't give that
space, then it doesn't solve, itdoesn't accomplish what we want
to accomplish, we have to meetpeople where they're at just

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like Jesus did. And that's apart of that. And everybody's
got their different abilities inthose moments and capabilities.
And we have to love and respecteach other well enough to be
able to do that with folks. I'vegot, I do couples coaching,
which is, oh, my goodness, itsown special nightmare.
Sometimes, I do it differentlythan everybody that I know that

(50:43):
does it, like I work with themindividually, I don't let them
be together until certain thingshave shown up Sure. Right.
Because I'm not gonna let themdamage the relationship further.
And this is one of those thingsis can you put a stop and a
conversation, so that you canactually do something productive
with it later, right? If theycan't, then you know, then we'll

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work through that differently.
But that's, that's fruit of theSpirit, that's self control, as
the loving to be able to do thatfor somebody else. But when you
see people that want to connect,and they just can't, it's got to
have that healthy relationshipwith yourself to know that
you're upset. And and know thatyou need a boundary for
yourself, to respect yourselfand the other person and the

(51:27):
relationship and be a goodambassador for the Lord. By not
behaving badly, like you're forin this space. You know, right.
So we all need to, myselfincluded, need to grow up and
they're not always perfect. They

all need to grow up. Yeah, we definitely all need
to grow up. And that is a goodlead into as to me asking the my
along the way question. Youknow, Nina, so far, in this
conversation, you've talkedabout how you grew up, you were
picked on because of that youbecame an atheist, then by just
finally saying, I'm gonna givethis another try, you came to

(52:05):
the Lord. And you had thatexperience where it was like as
a a six type of a thing whereyou said, Here I am, God send me
saw colors in ways you you had areally experience with the Lord
and Gods led you to, to workwith an amazing organization to
help people with theircommunication. And now you're,
you know, counseling and doingeverything with with greater

(52:27):
impact, and you got thispodcast, you know, as you look
back at your life, and there'sso much more, you know, you're a
wife and a mother to that. Don'twant to forget that. But as you
look back at your life, where doyou now see Jesus walking with
you, that you didn't see in amoment, but now you can see it,
and you know what? He was rightthere. And I just wasn't aware,

(52:49):
like the disciples on the roadto Emmaus, how they were walking
with Jesus for that, seven milesor whatever it was, and they had
absolutely no clue that it washim. You know, I, pretty much
every day during during my lunchbreak, I like to take, I like to
take a walk. And I normally gofor about two, two and a half,
three miles sometimes. But mypace is normally around 18

(53:11):
minutes on paved roads. Youknow, these guys are in sandals,
on maybe unpaved roads, whateverit is. So let's say it's
definitely a couple of hoursthat they're walking with Jesus
and have an are totallyoblivious. Until they sit down
at the table. Jesus blesses thefood, breaks the bread, their
eyes are opened, and then poof,he's gone. And I love that in

(53:35):
Luke 2432, they turn to eachother and say, weren't our
hearts burning within us alongthe way as he was revealing the
Scriptures to us? Basically, weshould have realized this was
Jesus. He was right there. Wejust didn't see it. Our hearts
were burning. Nina, where do youlook back and used to your heart

(53:55):
burning along the way that youdidn't realize in the home,

man. So I've got this friend. I serve with her.
She's on our LeadershipCommittee. She just drips Jesus.
Her name is Bonnie. And I don'tthink she'd mind I ratting her
out here. But it doesn't matterwhat I'm dealing with. She's

(54:23):
seen me at my absolute best andmy absolute worst and loved me
regardless in the middle of it.
I have not seen her ever getangry at me. I've seen her
righteously angry for me. Withme. I could come to her. Well, I
have, you know, well actuallywait. So I was gonna say I could
come to her at two in themorning and say, Hey, we helped

(54:43):
me hide the body. And then andthen I started to say well, I
have done that. I have come toher at late late at night, but I
haven't had anybody. Yeah,there's nothing like that. But
she's one of these thesefriends. Yeah. Gotta clarify
that. She's one of these friendsthat you know No. matter how you
are, no matter how are youshowing up, she is full on for
you. And so I mean, I've had afew moments, you know, being in

(55:07):
leadership and stressed and notmy best and she'd listened to
the ravings of what I wouldlater describe as a lunatic. And
LOVE ME RIGHT THERE through itand then she'll, she'll just be
with me and then ask me aquestion. And like, that
validates, so you're feeling youknow, this is whatever it is,
right? And it'd be like, yeah,that's it. And then suddenly, I

(55:28):
become rational. Because shelistened. And she's with me in
that and right, the relationshipjust drips mutual respect, and
admiration and love, you know,and she doesn't, she has, she's
wise, she's older than I am.

(55:49):
Like an older sister that just,I mean, she's, she's Jesus with
skin on in my life, in a lot ofways. I have a lot of people
like this, by the way that Iwork with. She's the one that
seen me at my ugliest thoughmost consistently, which
thankfully hasn't been a ton.
But enough to go, wow, that's asvaluable, you know, and I don't
take advantage of that either.

(56:12):
To be easy to you know, crawlinto your hole in your weakness
and stay in a space or whatever.
But she has this way of, ofmeeting me and then helping me
get up and walk out of the messencouraged. So along the way,
where's Jesus? Well, for last 10years, and ministry leaders
leadership has been her. She'swith me. Yeah.

Cindy, she's so she is a representation of Jesus
with you, Jesus with skin onthere. Yeah, that's great. She
loves Well, that's good. We allneed friends in our lives that
love well, that can speak to usthat can affirm what's going on.
It can speak the truth, whetherit's the truth, we want to hear
the truth that we don't want tohear. Yeah, but the truth that

(56:59):
we need to hear mostimportantly, my follow up
question to that Nina is, youknow, with your life experience
in what you know, now, if youcould go back in time and visit
a younger version of yourselfsomewhere on your timeline? What
advice would you give yourselfand what's going on in your life
at that time that you would wantto receive that advice?

So it was I think I would have told myself to go
to a different church. We gotinto a church that was in and
I'm not dissing the people thatwere there. I'm sure they have
hearts for him. I know I was inthe same place right hearts for
him. But it was so behaviorbased, right? Y'all look a

(57:43):
certain way, be a certain way,do things and I would have gone
back and like John Lynch says,He loves you on your stay in the
middle of your worst moment, nomatter what you're thinking, or
what you're doing, saying heloves you right then in the
middle of that. And I think Iwould have told myself, you
don't have to pretend to be allthese things. He already loves

(58:03):
you. Stop trying to proveyourself to God, he knows you
better than you know, you. Justreceive and and it's been the
reception of His love. Not in aI'm all that kind of way. It's
the intimate moments like youprobably have on your walks with
him. Right? You know, thereception that has given me the

(58:27):
confidence to be able towithstand all sorts of crazy
stuff that happens. And be okaywith whatever's going on. No
matter what's going on. I'mokay. Because I know the
identity piece is solid, becauseof the reception of His love.
Yeah. Yeah. So I told my staffto stop trying so hard. Just be

(58:47):
with him received, you

Unknown (58:48):
would have listened to yourself? Probably not. No.

That's a sad part.
You know, I was I didn't knowwhat it was me like, maybe. But

yeah, it's one of those things where I love
asking that question, becauseit's very introspective and
retrospective where we'relooking back at ourselves. And,
and I wish I would have beenable to, to know that at this
point. But at the same time, ifI would have known that now,
would I be who I am today?
Probably not. Yeah, probablynot. Yeah. So I mean, what we've

(59:21):
gone through and the differentthings we've overcome, that's
really part of what of whatmakes us who we are today. And,
you know, just knowing thatJesus was walking with us
through those hard times, likehe's never going to leave us or
forsake us is, is just anincredible encouragement, even

(59:43):
at our worst days, just to knowthat he really, really is there.
Thank you for sharing forsharing that Nina. Before we
wrap up here. I want to give youan opportunity to just pray for
the listeners. so that maybethey've been impacted by
something that you've said,maybe they need help talking to

(01:00:04):
other people, whatever it is, Ijust, I just trust the Holy
Spirit to lead you, as you'repraying and praying a blessing
for the listeners here.

Nina Roesner (01:00:15):
Thank you, Tom for the opportunity. Heavenly
Father, thank you so much forloving us. We love you. And I
can't even wrap my brain aroundthat whole love thing because
you are love. And you're in us.
And so like, does that mean thatyou're loving you right through
us, like, I don't even know whatthat means. But it is this
incredible connecting experienceof you, in us with you, just to

(01:00:38):
notice the love. Thank you,Father. Lord, I pray for every
one of John's listeners thatthey would receive, you know,
that they would accept you, theywould believe you, you say so
many wonderful things about whowe are, and how important we are

(01:01:03):
to you. And we're so afraid ofembracing that because we're
afraid of being selfish. Andthen you know, that's no joke. I
mean, we're good at that, too.
But we can't really get yourlove for other people until we
understand your love for us. AndI don't pretend to fully

(01:01:25):
understand that God, but I knowI get it more than I did three
decades ago, two decades. Lastyear, two seconds ago, even I
mean, there's always so muchmore of you. Thank you for that.
Father, I also pray againstregret for our audience's lives,
their families, theirrelationships, their you know,

(01:01:47):
the any regret that they mighthave, oh, I wish I would have
known that then God you are sopowerful. You if you wanted me
to know a thing, if you wantanybody to know a thing is going
to be right there in front ofthem, you will pull those
blinders off. And you willreveal yourself. And I'm 100%
sure that if you are wanted usto know what we think we should

(01:02:08):
have known back then, then youwould have made that happen.
Lord, I'm also sure everybody'sdoing their best. No, I did. I
am. No, I still don't get itright. And I know you'll love me
regardless. So Lord, I pray thatyour listeners would be open
that their eyes would be open toseeing you. They're receiving

(01:02:30):
you and your wild, great,passionate love for them, just
as they are and that were drawnto you, and drawn to be more
like you and your son and to befilled with your Holy Spirit to
know the next great thing, thestep into obedience, to step
into faith instead of fear,because of your love that that

(01:02:51):
is what motivates us. And so Ipray God that John's listeners
and they buy outs that hearsthis podcast would be touched by
that, that the God of theuniverse wants a personal,
intimate relationship with you,that He created you that He
loves you, just as you are, nomatter what that looks like, in

(01:03:16):
that moment, just like a mom ora dad loves a crying baby, when
their arms or legs are flailingabout kicking and they're crying
because they're hungry. There isno absence of love in that
moment. Or loved period. So God,I pray that you could use

(01:03:36):
anything here today to helppeople grow in their desire to
be more like your son. He andyou and your Holy Spirit always
know what to say, how to say it.
And that is really our goal isjust to connect people to you
because you are the answer inevery moment. It's not because
we've got the perfect catchphrases and the other stuff that

(01:03:59):
works somewhat most of the time.
But really, it's your Spiritmoving in people. And when we
listen to that, and when we acton that, you don't have to worry
about the outcomes because weknow that you're in charge and
you're going to use whatevercomes from it. So we praise you,
Lord, we worship you. worshipyou in spirit, your worship you

(01:04:22):
in truth. We worship you in thename and identity of your Son
Jesus. Thank You, God. Amen. Andamen.

John Matarazzo (01:04:29):
Amen. Amen. What a blessing. Thank you Nina so
much. This has been a trueblessing for me to be able to
have this conversation with you.
I just want to encourageeverybody to check out her
podcast what to say and how tosay it. You can get that
wherever you're listening topodcasts and definitely at CPN
shows.com. You can find itthere. Her website is greater
impact.org. And Nina, is thereanything that I'm missing that

(01:04:54):
you want to be able to sharewith the listeners before we
before we wrap up?

Nina Roesner (01:05:00):
I just want to encourage you personally, you do
a really good job modeling. Whatwe should be doing out there
with others is getting to knowthe testimony the story that
people have, because it's hisstory, you know, then in your
you're just a beautifulrepresentation of the curiosity
we should have for what He'sdoing in other people's lives.

(01:05:22):
And I feel really blessed tohave been on the receiving end
of that today. So thank you somuch, and keep being awesome.
Just keep doing what you'redoing.

Unknown (01:05:29):
That's cool.

John Matarazzo (01:05:30):
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Thank you. And thank you forallowing me to join you along
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