July 14, 2025 • 41 mins
Join us as we explore how to safely use herbs during pregnancy! In this episode you'll find discussions on why herbs can be so controversial, the best ways to begin learning about and implementing herbal remedies into your every day life, 12 of our favorite safe herbs for pregnancy, and we'll reveal our very favorite blend we think all pregnant women can benefit from.
00:00 Introduction to Kelly and Tiffany's Podcast
01:44 Herbs in Pregnancy: An Overview
03:24 Routines + Products We've Ditched
15:10 Understanding the Use of Herbs in Pregnancy
19:48 Intuition vs. Research in Parenting Choices
20:16 The Importance of Quality Research
20:39 Herbs and Pregnancy: Safety and Benefits
21:45 Understanding Herb Safety Categories
24:00 Empowering Women with Herbal Knowledge
24:57 Getting Started with Herbs
27:40 Therapeutic Dosing and Herbal Infusions
29:12 12 Safe Herbs for Pregnancy
33:14 NORA Tea: A Pregnancy Tonic
39:39 Resources and Community Support
40:56 Conclusion and Ways to Support the Show
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Tiffany (01:09):
Welcome back to the podcast at home with and
Tiffany.
This is Tiffany.
Kelly (01:16):
I am Kelly maybe I should get back into consistently
introducing the podcast to easethat transition.
But our, our listeners are notslow, so I think they'll,
they're, they're quick to theuptake.
They get it.
Tiffany (01:31):
They understand why your name came first.
Kelly (01:33):
The importance level, they understand completely.
Yes.
Yes.
Tiffany (01:37):
Okay?
We'll argue about this more.
I'll plan another episode.
I'll plan a future episode forus to hash this out completely.
Today, we get to talk aboutusing herbs in pregnancy.
It is something that we havealways championed, always tried
to demystify, always been a partof providing more education and
information, but especiallysince we brought back nor Tea
(02:01):
into our online shop, there'sbeen tons of questions,
information, lots of discussionhappening in all the spaces.
So we might as well bring partof that discussion here.
So that we can refer people tothis episode when they're like,
Hey, is this safe?
Is that safe?
Why not?
Why does the internet say this?
(02:21):
It's a wor, it's a worthy thingto unpack today.
Kelly (02:24):
Yeah.
Why does the internet say thisis a good question and I think
that's why we want to continueto like touch on this topic in
all the different spaces that weshow up in.
Because when women Google stuff,anybody can say anything
obviously, and some people havereally strong opinions about,
well, if the FDA didn't saysomething, well, if this
(02:46):
particular research didn't showsomething then I refuse to use
it or I refuse to recommend it.
And while I understand that lineof thinking.
We also can recognize the, youknow, hundreds of years of
anecdotal stories.
We also can recognize who isfunding certain research or not
funding, or what will really getresearched in general what will
(03:07):
make people money and whatwon't.
And I will guarantee herbs willnot make, you know companies big
money.
And so that is one of thereasons I think that it gets
really confusing out therebecause the kind of messaging
behind it can get really skewed.
Because of that issue inparticular.
Tiffany (03:24):
Okay.
Before we jump in here, Kelly,what is a routine a product that
you have ditched and will not begoing back to?
It used to be something that youwere totally into.
It was a part of your everydaylife maybe, and recently you've,
it's out.
You're not doing it anymore andyou probably will not do it ever
again.
Kelly (03:44):
Okay, I'm gonna do one, one product and one routine.
Yeah.
I'm gonna do one and one becauseI have, I have something to
share on both and I won't get,I'm interested to hear if you
have something to share, but aproduct I used to be, I, I used
to be certain that there was noclean alternative to like the
spray$5.
(04:06):
Dry shampoo that I used.
I was like, I've tried every,I've spent a lot of money trying
things.
I've tried the natural things.
I'm like getting cocoa powderall over my clothes, like all
kinds of things, and then I willlink it in the show notes.
I found my little holy grail ofwhat works for my hair in
particular.
'cause you and I have talkedabout this before, what works
(04:26):
for you doesn't work for me andthat's acceptable.
But I found the one.
Who my heart loves and it hasworked phenomenally.
If you're watching this onYouTube today, which BT dubs,
we've been putting these onYouTube, you'll see that I
didn't put any this morning'cause I was rushed, but I love
it.
I finally feel like, ooh, I'velike figured out that thing that
(04:48):
I was like, well, I'm decreasingmy toxic burden in all these
other places.
I'm just going to keep thisparticular super toxic thing in
my life.
And I was willing to do that fora while until I found this
product.
So I'm excited to, I'll link it.
So now that I'm saying this outloud, I completely forget'cause
I tried two separate ones thatwere EWG verified.
(05:10):
One of them was not that great.
One of them was really wonderfuland I'm for, I don't wanna say
the wrong one out loud rightnow, so I'm gonna link it in the
show notes for you.
But I've been putting it on withlike a little, I'd like dip a
little brush in and whatever,put it on.
And it's been wonderful.
I've been using it at nightsometimes too.
'Cause I.
I chose the dark one and thelight one and the dark one for
(05:31):
whatever reason, just does notwork for me.
So anyway, I'm very excited tofinally feel like I have
something to actually like.
Hold onto on that realm becauseI need it.
I know that, that we could godown a long rabbit hole of
washing your hair and you know,oil and how often to wash it and
all of that.
My hair is very oily and I knowthat people will say then don't
(05:54):
wash it as much and teach it andwhatever.
I just need some dry shampoo inmy life.
That's just me.
Tiffany (06:01):
I, I was just recently thinking, Hey, because did you
try the spray one that I sharedwith you a few months ago?
Kelly (06:07):
Yes,
Tiffany (06:08):
Okay.
And
Kelly (06:08):
and I did not like it.
Tiffany (06:10):
Yeah, I
Kelly (06:11):
I swear I've spent so much money on this.
Tiffany (06:14):
same.
It's been the saga of alifetime.
I've even given you some asgifts where I'm like, this one's
gonna be it.
Well, because your hair is dark,it's different.
I think it's a lot
Kelly (06:23):
Yeah.
Tiffany (06:24):
shampoo all the ingredients that are in cleaner,
dry shampoos are light and theytry to do
Kelly (06:29):
Mm-hmm.
Tiffany (06:30):
to do the the dark hair versions of it.
And maybe that works for somepeople.
But honestly, I was justthinking the other day.
You know what?
I'm just gonna wash my hairevery freaking day.
Who, what am, i'm holding upthis, I'm holding up this
particular value of getting myhair used to being oily for the
past 10 years.
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It's not working.
I just, I'm just gonna see whathappens if I wash my hair every
time it looks dirty, and I'mjust, I'm just gonna move on
from there.
And if I'm wrong and itcompletely dries out and damages
my hair, and I'm in a worseposition than having oily hair
for two days before I feel likeI can wash it again, I then,
we'll, maybe we'll readjust.
Kelly (07:11):
Yeah, we'll meet, we'll meet that when we get to it.
I'm glad I'm not alone.
I am certain that womenlistening are like, oh, thank
goodness.
So absolutely.
Go check that out.
It's not on Amazon, so it's notas like, quick to order or
whatever, but it is worth it andactually really well priced too
for, for what it is.
But I do wanna mention alsobefore, or do you have, do you
have a product that you wantedto share or like a, a thing,
Tiffany (07:33):
I have a routine and I will share it.
But
Kelly (07:36):
Yes.
Tiffany (07:36):
too.
Okay.
What's your
Kelly (07:38):
Yeah, I was, I was just gonna say for a while, not like
every single day, but myhusband, when he would come home
from work and like we weremaking dinner together or
something, we'd always have adrink together.
Like I don't drink wine anymore,which is funny given where we've
come from as a podcast.
But, I don't like, you know,just like a hard kombucha or
something that we'd be like, oh,let's just like enjoy this
(08:00):
together while we're makingdinner and like catching up on
our day.
And I don't, it just was what wedid and I.
Once I was like, Hey, maybe wedon't need the, maybe we just
don't need that.
And it was like, I don't, Idon't know why it felt like such
a routine or such like a thingthat we were like, this is just
what we do.
But after I was like, I'm not, Irecognize how it impacts me.
(08:24):
Alcohol, even like a hardkombucha or something that's
like not crazy.
My sleep is messed up and I haveto work harder on my blood sugar
regulation, all kinds of stuff.
And I'm like, well, let's talkabout things that are not worth
it.
It's that.
So that is my routine that wehave ditched.
I don't know, this was kind of awhile ago, but just sharing
because it really was part oflike a, oh, this is just kind of
what we do sort of thing.
(08:45):
And now we don't.
Tiffany (08:47):
I know routines are such a thing, right?
Like we're just in'em to, oh,especially my personality,
someone who's a little more typeA.
We are just in the routine forthe sake of.
Following along the program,right.
Makes me feel comfortable
Kelly (09:01):
Yeah,
Tiffany (09:02):
So do you, what do you do?
Kelly (09:03):
for sure.
Tiffany (09:04):
do instead?
You replace it with some otherkind of drink, like, because
that time of connecting andsharing is important.
Are you still able to do
Kelly (09:12):
Yes.
Tiffany (09:13):
Okay.
And so
Kelly (09:14):
Yeah.
Tiffany (09:15):
a beverage involved.
Kelly (09:16):
Yeah, and I mean really we were just like doing di like
usually depending on the timing,whatever, we've had like a new
rhythm with my husband's.
He has a different work schedulenow, this last like, I don't
know, eight months or something.
But I.
Usually it was just like, oh,we're making dinner together, or
we're doing something in thekitchen together as our time of
reconnecting after like the dayof him being gone.
(09:38):
And so, no, we just don't haveanything else.
'cause our hands are alreadydoing something else, right?
Like we're cleaning up or we'redoing the dishes, or we're
making dinner or cutting thingsup or whatever.
And so.
Yeah, our hands are alreadydoing something.
Usually that's my problem.
Like if I'm at a party and I'mlike, I'm not gonna have
anything to drink tonight.
I'm like, I need something in myhand.
I need my hand to be doingsomething while I'm talking to
people for whatever reason.
(10:00):
And so I was like, well, ourhands are already doing
something, so it doesn't,doesn't actually matter as much
Tiffany (10:07):
Yeah.
Good job, Kelly.
Real okay.
Mine is, this is recent, so Ibelieve I will not be going back
to this, believe, but it's sorecent.
I can't say for sure.
So you are welcome to follow upwith me sometime.
but I used to always workoutfasted in the morning.
I'd get up, I'd have a cup ofcoffee, I would jump into my
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workout almost first thing inthe day just to have it over
with, and I always thought.
I know not everyone can work outfast.
It doesn't feel good for them,but for me, I was like, this is,
this is totally working and itwas worth it.
To push that so that I couldmake sure I was consistent with
workouts and my schedule.
And then recently I've shifted alot of things around with diet
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and exercise, and I ended upresearching more about the
specific goals I have forbuilding muscle mass and just
being more metabolically stableand healthy and working towards
that and the research.
course, I believe that fastingcan have its place for women,
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especially in really uniquesituations.
However, the research aboutfasted workouts, which I wasn't
necessarily doing in order to, Iwasn't trying to get any fat
loss, by working out fasted.
It really just was theconvenience factor for my
schedule.
But the research that supportsfasted workouts is all done on
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men and wi and so some men doreally well fasted workouts.
Al almost across the board, allwomen will not long-term do well
with fasted workouts, especiallyin the morning because of our
cortisol levels interplay witheverything but.
Also with how, how nutrients areshuttled to our muscles,
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specifically during workout andrecovery.
I just did, I, I just learnedenough about muscle mass that
and, and coming into a workoutwith nutrition on board that I'm
like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna haveto change everything about my
routine in order to implementthis.
And so I have over the past.
(12:18):
Month and it has been a bigshift and I'm a little bit
irritated with having to getused to a new routine and time
out eating and working out andall of that.
But my workouts are better and Idon't think I would have really
noticed that before.
It makes sense if you have ener,if you have nutrients to make
energy, you're gonna have abetter workout, but.
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I don't think I really noticedthe difference because I had
nothing to compare it to before.
I just
Kelly (12:45):
Mm-hmm.
Tiffany (12:45):
was, that was my normal, that was working out
fine for me.
So that is something that islike, I have the information and
I acted on it and I pro Iprobably will not be going back
to fasted workouts.
I probably will always opt foreating and timing, nutrition
with my workout moving forward.
Kelly (13:06):
I love that.
Yeah, I, we had a conversationlike a couple years ago even
about this just personallyabout, you know, fasted workouts
and whatever, and I was like.
Like at the time my, my cardiowas specifically on my Peloton
bike, where you get really clearfeedback on like your output,
how hard you're working.
Like you kind of get these, youget these numbers and these
analytics of how your body isdoing every single time.
(13:28):
And again, it was conveniencethat I did it fasted because my
kids were still asleep or, youknow, whatever, where I was just
like, I just gotta get this in.
I could never, no matter.
If I had had rest days, nomatter how well I fueled myself
the day before, whatever, Icould never get my output as
high as I did when I worked outlater in the day or after some
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kind of, you know fuel right ofsome kind.
And I always like rememberedthat of just like,'cause
normally I don't always fullysee that, right?
Like when you're liftingweights, you're like, yeah, this
is hard.
Or, oh, I can do a little bitmore, you know, whatever.
But the, that, that output wasso helpful for me to see like,
this is tangible information forme and my body that like, I
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can't give as much during thiswithout fueling my body before.
I always thought that wasinteresting.
Tiffany (14:14):
Yeah, same.
Same.
And I, well, I mean, I don't,I'm not sure if I really know.
I never, I never came out of aworkout going like, gosh, that
was exceptionally hard, becauseI think I.
I didn't have fuel for it.
I, I, it just would, some,sometimes workouts would be
harder than usual, depending onmy cycle.
I didn't, I wasn't really makingthe connection.
So I hope that encouragessomeone out there is working on
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similar goals to just tr and itdoesn't have to be a lot, it can
just be only just 30 minutesbefore your workout, throwing
protein and some kind of carb inyour coffee.
Like some kind of sweetener,some kind of, you know, milk,
beverage, and just doctoring upyour coffee 30 minutes before
your workout is enough to get.
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To get your, get nutrition inyour body and use for a workout.
And then eating right away aftereating and refueling for
recovery.
I could, I, I've been down sucha rabbit hole on this one.
I could go, we could, we couldgo on and on, but women are
actually listening to thisepisode right now because they
wanna learn how to use herbs inpregnancy.
Kelly (15:20):
Understandable.
Tiffany (15:22):
Let's talk about why herbs freak people out.
Why do, why herbs in general, Ithink freak people out?
But then especially inpregnancy, I think, I think
society absolutely loses itsmind on using herbs in
pregnancy.
Kelly (15:38):
Yeah, and I, I mentioned earlier like the Googling aspect
is really hard because you getall this kind of different
information.
You hear like, oh, this mighthave the potential to X, Y, Z.
Oh, some.
Women use it and say it wasfine.
Some women use it and say like,this ruined, you know, whatever.
The, the thing becomes, you hearsomething right and you say,
(15:59):
Ooh, that sounds like aninteresting thing.
I want like, say dandelion,right?
You're like, oh, I'm interestedin that.
I wanna support my liver andpregnancy.
I'm really trying to like, youknow, focus on that.
Let me talk to my provider, orlet me Google this right now.
Right?
You go into your provider and.
Depending on who your provideris, they may just simply say,
no, that's not safe.
(16:21):
Because they don't know.
And a lot of providers don'tknow.
And I don't know about U Tiff'cause we went to different
midwifery schools.
I didn't have like I mean I hada how to use and prepare herbs
and like some.
Major, like top things in termsof clinical use, particularly at
births for my herbal kind ofeducation.
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But to really dig into it, I hadto search elsewhere.
Like kind of reminded me ofthyroid stuff where I was like,
there's more to this and I needto actively go out and seek it.
Most providers, maybe notmidwives, some Sure.
But.
Most obs probably are notspending their extra time
learning and digging intodifferent you know, educational
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tools about herbs in pregnancyin particular.
Tiffany (17:07):
Oh my gosh.
They don't even have to take anutrition course.
They don't even have to
Kelly (17:11):
Right?
Tiffany (17:12):
on nutrition.
So I'm really
Kelly (17:14):
Yeah.
Tiffany (17:14):
that they don't have natural remedies as a part of
their repertoire unless they've
Kelly (17:19):
Yep.
Tiffany (17:19):
the work to, to get some extra information.
And I was sharing something onInstagram recently and this
woman.
out and said, Hey, where did youget this information?
Because I have a home birthmidwife and she does not have
this knowledge.
And I said, oh yeah, we took oneclass in school.
(17:40):
That was like a briefintroduction, potentially gave
us a little bit of likecuriosity and like you said,
some really practical, like,let's use this for this, let's
use this for this, let's usethis for this.
Maybe we have like.
I don't know, a dozen herbs thatwe learned in midwifery school
about how to use them.
But I told her no.
I had to enroll in a completelyseparate course.
(18:03):
I.
That an herbalist teachesonline.
Aviva Rahm, she has a reallycomprehensive herbal course for
practitioners and providers.
And then I had to keep studyingand learning.
And then I also had the benefitof part of my preceptorship as a
student was with a traditionalChinese medicine provider.
And so I got to learn and exposemyself to a lot of information,
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but tons of it has just beenself steady Getting comfortable
with the idea that it's not areally well researched topic,
and so if, if we're just onlygoing to use, what the modern
world.
Thinks is a, is good scientificresearch on something in order
to make decisions, and we'retaking this evidence-based
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approach the way that we do withother medical aspects of
pregnancy and, you know clinicalcare, we're not gonna be
satisfied with the informationthat's out there.
So let's talk about that alittle bit, Kelly.
Like why, why?
Why is there not betterinformation out there about
using herbs in general, butespecially in pregnancy?
Kelly (19:11):
Yeah, I mean the it go, it always goes back to the
research, right?
Like, how are they going torealistically research that?
How are they going to createresearch, like projects that
across the base would providegood answers?
Who would.
Be the one funding that, whowould make money off of that.
Right.
Like, we kind of just keepcoming back to that idea of it,
(19:32):
it's a, it's a hard area toreally kind of nail down.
And I think kind of going backto what you were just saying.
You know, we encourage women,like sometimes you might read
something and think like, oh,the evidence says this on the
vitamin K shot.
Right?
But I am not going to take, I'mnot going to choose that for my
child, right?
(19:53):
Because intuitively, that's mydecision.
I.
Right.
Oh, but I see this research thatsays this, but I'm choosing
something different, right?
And so we don't always have tobe choosing something that's
based on this like hard firmresearch.
It is okay to choose somethingdifferent based on your
preferences, your intuition,your desires for how you want to
raise your family or treatyourself or whatever else.
(20:16):
And so again, I think it comesback to that idea of.
Of really quality research.
We want that.
I don't think this is an areathat we will ever actually get
that, and I think that is why itmakes.
Like, I'm, I'm fine with that,right?
I can understand why it makespeople uncomfortable and are
like, well, I'm just gonna stepback and not even like, engage
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in that whatsoever.
But I also that, I also thinkthat just leaves women at a
deficit because these are easyto use and like the minerals and
the effects and support and allof that that come along with
them.
Can be incredibly helpful.
I mean, we're talkingspecifically for pregnancy, for
pregnancy in general, and youknow, preparing for labor and
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birth and postpartum, all of it.
And so yeah, it's just, it'sunfortunate because I think that
scary factor I.
Leads a lot of women to kind ofjust step back and, and not be
willing to engage in it as much.
It's been fun on Instagram andin our membership and things
that people are like, Ooh, likethe, I, I never even looked into
(21:20):
this before because itoverwhelmed me, because it kind
of scared me.
But now that I'm trying and I'mlearning more, like the
confidence that they have tosupport their bodies with herbs
or support a particular issuethat they're having with herbs.
Is so cool.
So cool to see.
Tiffany (21:36):
Yeah.
And so we can provide a coupleof resources in the show notes
for women who are reallyinterested in doing a deeper
dive.
Because what happens with herbs,especially in pregnancy, is
there's a really broad category.
So it's not safe.
Not safe.
It is actually, the, like, theca, like the categories will go
(21:57):
from, we have lots of researchon this herb.
It is, and we have no adverseoutcomes.
We give it like it, they're,they're, they're rated on like a
number system, but from one endof the spectrum, we have a lot
of research.
We have no reason to believeit's unsafe.
We have no reports of it beingunsafe.
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Use as often as you want to.
Then the next step down is we.
Have a lot of research on thisherb.
There's a couple of times thatthere have been adverse effects.
We're not sure if it's exactlybecause of this herb or because
of something else going on inthe pregnancy, but we're gonna
(22:38):
just give it like a yellowlight, right?
Then there's a step down of wedon't have a lot of research on
this one.
We assume that it's safe, but wedon't have anything to prove
that it's unsafe, and sotherefore proceed with caution.
Then, then there, there's thenext step, like, right, so
there's such a huge.
huge spectrum of how todetermine if an herb is safe in
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pregnancy or in lactation also.
And so, so as a provider, I lookat those categories and then I
give my, I give my client theinformation, Hey, we believe
that this is a really safe herb.
There's some evidence that.
If you take it in the firsttrimester and you have a history
(23:22):
of miscarriage, there's a reallysmall chance that that, that,
that might not be the case foryou.
However, anecdotally, there'scultures in the world who take
this specific herb to preventmiscarriage, so there you go.
You're stuck in between theplace where someone just wants
to know, is it safe or not safe,and.
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When we, when we like, thinkabout how this translates into
other categories of things,right?
When we just want this black andwhite explanation for everything
in life and we want someone elseto tell us what's okay, what's
not okay, it it, it disempowersus as women.
And not everybody wants to beempowered with using herbs in
pregnancy.
(24:03):
I understand that.
But if you do and you want theinformation and you wanna learn,
which is gonna be most of thewomen listening to this right
now.
have to, you have to figure outwhere to find that information
and have a, have a conversationwith somebody who understands
how to interpret some of it,right?
Have a midwife on board, have anherbalist on board.
Have a wise woman in your lifewho has been using herbs in her
(24:24):
life for a really long time andknows how to interpret some of
that information and help youout so that you can learn, so
that you can build up yourlittle toolbox with that, and
you can say.
Nothing in life is guaranteed.
Nothing in life is a hundredpercent safe.
I'm gonna take this informationand make the decision that's
best for me.
That's what I hope women kind oflike get out of thinking about
(24:48):
why herbs have, why herbs aresafe or not safe.
Kelly (24:53):
Yeah,.
And I think you, you touched onsomething really helpful, I
think for, for women.
If you can, even if you're like,I'm slightly interested in this,
you can choose a couple herbsthat you're like, wow, the
safety on this, likeoverwhelmingly looks like it's
going to, like, I'm gonna befine.
Right?
And just get really good atusing those particular herbs.
(25:13):
Learn about those, understandhow you wanna use them, making
infusions.
Tinctures, things like that andfigure out like, how is this
impacting me?
How can I use this more so in myeveryday life once you start?
Because for me, per like usingthem personally, it felt a
little intimidating to be like,okay, there's so many herbs out
there, there's so many ways touse them.
(25:33):
How am I gonna go about makingsomething consistent in my life
or using something like this ifI'm seeing an issue pop up, or
I'm trying to prevent somethingand being able to say, okay, I'm
just gonna take a couple.
And then figure out like, whatare all these best benefits?
What are the best ways to usethis?
How are the best ways to preparethis?
How am I actually going toprepare it and make that
(25:55):
consistent?
And then all of a sudden I'mlike, Ooh, I understand herbs
more.
Right?
And then that gave me confidenceto start, like looking into
other options that I can bringinto my home for my kids or my
husband or myself, or have onhand for certain situations.
And so some of that really isjust like slow.
Baby step confidence building.
(26:16):
But most of the time when youstart doing that, then all of a
sudden you're like, I I wasabout to sing, start singing the
Ariel song that I, I like, Iwant more, right?
Like, I, I am, I'm interested inthis.
Now I'm kind of like, I.
This is sort of my thing.
It starts to get, it's notaddictive, but just like it
starts to get empowering in away where you're like, I
actually have confidence in thisnow.
(26:37):
And you can start to bring in afew at a time.
And that's kind of the, the,that's the best way that I
recommend getting into this ispicking a couple, or even just
one that you were like.
Wow.
You know what sounds really niceis chamomile tea at the end of
the day or whatever.
But you can learn about all themillion different ways that you
can also use chamomile in otherdifferent places, right?
And then you have thisincredibly helpful herb on hand
(26:58):
that you feel really good aboutusing and really confident in.
And all of a sudden then you'relike, okay, yeah.
But I also wanna bring in.
Some dandelion for my liversupport.
Right?
Okay.
And now I understand how toprepare the herbs.
So it makes it everything, likeevery step, just that much
easier and again, just builds somuch more confidence for women
(27:19):
who are wanting to kind of weavethis style of support into their
homes consistently.
Tiffany (27:26):
Yes.
And I would say gettingcomfortable with it and getting
familiar is the priority.
And then the second piece fromthat, where I think women have a
little bit of a stumbling blockis, oh, I've tried that before
and it didn't work for thatthing.
It's probably because you didnot have therapeutic dosing for
it.
Even the dosing that is on thebottles.
(27:47):
Of things that you buy at thestore is going to be really
conservative and probably nottherapeutic dosing, and so.
I think that's what kind offreaks women out a little bit
too, is most of our protocolsare telling women for most, most
herbal remedies to take two orthree times what the, the
standard dosing is that youwould find online.
(28:08):
Because we're looking at, I.
We're not looking, we're, we'rejust, we're looking at the
information from people who havebeen studying the use of herbs
for women for hundreds of years.
And that's, that's, that's wherewe're getting our information
and that's what works well inour practice.
So we usually tell people as theentry point, teas are really
(28:28):
easy and we specificallyrecommend like a loose leaf.
Herbal infusion.
So that's pouring hot water overthe herbs.
Usually like in a glass jar, aglass container or a pitcher or
something like that.
Leaving it to sit overnight,letting all of those really good
properties come out of theherbal teas and then enjoying
(28:49):
that.
That's a really fast, easy,simple way to start enjoying
herbs.
And then we also recommendtinctures because.
They're very effective.
They're cheap, they're easy touse.
It's easy to count out droppersand dropper fools, and kind of
gives you the most bang for yourbuck.
You're getting the, you'regetting the, the strongest, most
effective form of the herb.
(29:09):
And it's, it's relatively easyto use.
But let's talk about, there's12, there's 12 herbs in
particular that we can say withconfidence women can use safely
in pregnancy.
And those of you who arelistening, who are like trying
to take notes, we have aresource that that lays out
every single recommendation thatwe're gonna share here today.
(29:32):
There's a guide that's calledHerbal Remedies for Pregnancy,
birth and Postpartum.
And you can download it for freein our show notes and it will
give you all of theserecommendations and lots of.
Recipes and applications exactlywhat to use it for, what
combination you should do it,how, what, when, all of that.
(29:54):
So but Kelly, go ahead and sharejust for people that have like a
frame of reference, what arethese 12 herbs?
You mentioned a couple of themalready, but what, what do we
say?
Like, just across the board,women can generally enjoy in
pregnancy.
Kelly (30:06):
Yes.
So if you are taking notes orjust kind of mentally processing
the 12 that we have listed thatyou can be like, Hey, if I grab
some of that, like, I trust thatthis will be safe, easy to use,
all of that.
First one would be chamomile,alfalfa, dandelion.
Ginger, lemon balm, lavender,nettle, oat straw, echinacea,
(30:30):
peppermint, red, raspberry, androse.
So those are the 12 that wewould say, yes, these are safe.
Potentially a couple of themhave some offshoots like, Hey,
use it this way, or, Hey, beaware of this kind of thing.
But for the most part, it'sreally helpful just to have an
idea that like, Hey, there are ahandful of those.
And every single one of thosecan be used for a million
(30:53):
different things too.
Right?
And so understanding like, hey,I can, I can kind of even just
randomly snag one of those,understand what it can be used
for, understand the nutritionalproperties of it, the minerals,
the vitamins and things that itprovides, and figure out how to
start weaving that into my life.
You mentioned also.
You know, the dosage isincredibly important.
(31:15):
And so a lot of women will belike, well, I tried ginger tea,
but it didn't really help me.
But they were using like, youknow, a little tea bag from the
store and seeping it for a fewminutes and trying to sip it and
it wasn't very helpful.
But then women will drink like,oh man, a whole ginger infusion
thing that really changed mywhole life.
So you can start to kind of messaround with.
How you're using them, thedosage you're using them, the
(31:37):
the way that you are doing it.
But I agree completely.
Herbal infusions are probablythe easiest way to get into this
and actually get some reallygood benefit too, so that you
feel like, oh, not only am Ilearning something, but I'm
actually getting, I'm gettingsomething in return too.
I'm actually feeling somethingor feeling relief from something
or experiencing something.
Tiffany (31:57):
And I wish we could get into all of those little pieces.
'cause I know that's what peopleactually want to know.
All of the little like, okay,take this for this for this
amount of time.
Don't do this in your firsttrimester, but double up in your
third, all of that and likethat.
I know that's the fun part.
So that's why we put it in theguide so that it can be
referenceable so women can lookat it.
(32:18):
And of course you need to beable to.
Be an adult and for what you'retaking.
And if you have a feeling likethat doesn't agree with my body,
or I don't feel, I don't feelgood about that choice, run it
past your own care provider.
Do some more research on it.
We are not saying these are allgonna be right for every single
woman of course.
(32:39):
So we get messages all the timeof like.
You recommend peppermint tea?
I heard if you drink 47 quartsof that in your last week of
pregnancy, it will tank yourmilk supply.
Oh yeah.
Right.
Um-huh.
So don't do that.
Maybe, or you know, someone'slike, well that gave me a lot of
digestive upset.
I don't know why you recommendit.
Yeah, well, you're an individualperson.
(33:02):
Something hurts your stomachwhen you take it.
That's not the one for you.
I would really like all thelisteners to just be a part of
that open-minded responsibilitytaking please.
Okay.
So there's one particular Imean, we mentioned our Nora Tea.
That we wanna share with youguys today.
We brought it back into thestore front.
(33:23):
We said we were never gonna doanother shippable product
because it's.
So much work for busy moms andmidwives to manage that.
But we were getting so many forit and every time we shared on
what a wonderful pregnancy tonicit was, women were like, where
do we get that?
And we're like, well, there'ssomething like kind of similar
on Etsy here and like.
(33:44):
Amazon kind of has like thisblend here.
You could make it yourself athome, and women are like, that's
so cool.
I don't wanna make it myself athome.
So we had a lot of motivation tobring it back to the masses for
women to enjoy.
But let's, let's unpack thatrecipe a little bit because you
guys absolutely can make this onyour own.
(34:05):
Those DIY ladies out there.
This is the easiest, cheapest,and most beneficial thing to pop
into your pregnancy routines.
But if you don't, of course wehave it available in our shop
too.
So you have lots of options,lots of links in the show notes
for getting more information.
But let's, let's unpack the nortea a little bit so that women
can understand the, the mostaccessible way to kind of like
(34:28):
cover your bases.
I say like it's a cover yourbases type of tea in pregnancy.
Kelly (34:34):
Yeah, it almost, it almost feels like a, like a, you
know, a prenatal or somethingwhere you're like, okay, at
least I know I'm getting this,like, you know, well-balanced
piece.
But now I need to figure outlike, what else do I really
need?
What food am I eating?
All of that.
Nora Tea is an incrediblesupportive tea that you can
drink throughout your pregnancy.
Nettle.
Okay, so Nora stands for nettle,oat straw, red raspberry, and
(34:58):
alfalfa.
So, nettle, we recommend nettlein a million different ways.
If there was one herb thatyou're like.
I wanna get really good atunderstanding what it can be
used for.
Nettle is a great place tostart, and that is why it's sort
of the basis of this entire tea.
The vitamin profile and themineral profile in it is
incredible.
And so it acts in and of itself,kind of like a multivitamin.
(35:20):
Not saying that you don't need.
Anything else but saying it isreally robust in the amount of
minerals and vitamins that it,it has property wise.
It's really helpful for fluidbalance in your body in terms of
like swelling and things likethat.
Really supportive for anemia aswell.
That blood building support thatit can provide.
(35:41):
And it's really helpful fordetox as well.
So it's, it's a wonderful herbto really get comfortable with.
And again, why it's sort of thisfoundational piece of this tea,
because it's sort of the blanketthat covers a lot of pregnancy
issues.
And can not only help decreasethose but also prevent them from
(36:03):
happening in the first place.
And that is what we love asmidwives to figure out things
that, hey, what can we likeintertwine here that also will
be something that will preventthings that are uncomfortable or
potentially even complicationsfrom happening in the future.
That's like one of the thingsthat we love to do.
So again, net's a great onespecifically for that.
Tiffany (36:24):
Yep.
And then next up is oat straw.
So like this is an acronym if a,no, if you guys aren't catching
on.
The reason we call it Nora is'cause it stands for the.
Beginning of all of these herbs.
But oat straw is great for bloodsugar balance.
It has an excellent B vitaminprofile.
It helps calm the nervous systemand just support nervous system
(36:45):
activation in general and isreally great for sleep.
So that's why we include that inthis blend.
And then Red Raspberry issomething that is one of those,
like one of thoserecommendations that can.
be controversial.
So there we have lots ofinformation about, let's not use
(37:06):
that until further along inpregnancy, especially for women
who.
Are prone to miscarriage.
So we have this blanketstatement of like, well, let's
not enjoy this blend because ofthe Red Raspberry until 16
weeks.
It's still plenty of time tonourish your pregnancy and enjoy
all the benefits of this, butyou also can just omit it.
You can just do the other threeherbs and not have the red
(37:29):
raspberry be a part of it.
But we love the Red Raspberryapplication for, toning the
uterus, providing iron,providing calcium, providing
vitamins, a, vitamin E, vitaminC, it's a winner.
It's just a great one to have inthe profile women during their
pregnancy.
Kelly (37:48):
Yeah, the last one.
On there that A and Nora isalfalfa.
And so this is a really helpfulone.
For blood building, inparticular, blood clot clotting,
vitamin K.
So that is the one that we bringon because your blood volume
expands so much throughoutpregnancy and there's so much
having to do with what yourblood is doing and how that
impacts the health of yourentire pregnancy, your birth
(38:10):
options, even your postpartumexperience.
And so that is a really heavyhitter to add in there as well.
So you can see.
That there's so many things thateach of these herbs individually
can do, so that when we put themtogether again, it creates this
really awesome tonic for womento consistently drink throughout
their pregnancies to help feelbetter and to help nourish their
(38:33):
bodies in a way that oftentimes,unfortunately we can't, we don't
always get from food and.
Our soil depletion and all ofthat.
And so that can be a reallyhelpful thing to have on hand if
you're interested in what, so inthat whatsoever I highly
recommend just dipping your toesinto it, making it yourself,
even just trying out our blendbefore you commit to buying the
things yourself.
(38:54):
But what's great is that buyingthem yourself, if you were
interested in.
Any of those, any of those Noraadditions or any of that list or
anything from our free guidethat's in the show notes?
We mention where you can buythose kind of individually.
You're looking for organicherbs, you're looking for
somewhere that sustainablysources their orbs.
(39:14):
We really love Mountain roseherbs.
The Frontier Co-op is anotherreally great place to get them.
And again, like we mentioned,the Nora Tea blend that we have
is like, kind of meets thosestandards as well and is already
done for you.
If you are like, I just need, Ijust need to press a button.
I don't need to be like gettingmy hands all dirty with all
these herbs.
So there's something foreverybody in how you wanna kind
(39:37):
of start dipping your toes intothis.
Tiffany (39:39):
Yeah, and so continue to join this conversation with
us on Instagram too because weend up answering so many
people's questions and dms andsharing those in stories, and
we've got resources.
In our reels, we've reallyincorporated a lot of that
herbal education and knowledgeinto that space too.
So join us over there, take alook at all of the, I, I know
(40:00):
the show notes are gonna bepacked full of resources and
links, and then share thisepisode with somebody who needs
to.
to be equipped and encouraged inthis particular area.
Somebody who wants to have morenatural resources and building
up that natural medicine cabinetand is not afraid to do that in
pregnancy too, ladies.
So I hope that, thatinformation, bless you, and, and
(40:23):
leads to you feeling moreencouraged and more equipped.
We will continue to share onthis herbal information and
other episodes too.
I have a lot of fun onesplanned.
Even just while we're recordingthis, I'm like, ooh.
Taking notes, taking notes onfuture episodes, including the
the debate about your nameversus my name, going first in
(40:45):
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I did
Kelly (40:48):
Finally putting that to bed.
Tiffany (40:50):
Finally.
Finally, yeah, we'll just, we'llhave it sorted out.
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Tiffany (01:09):
Welcome back to the podcast at home with and
Tiffany.
This is Tiffany.
Kelly (01:16):
I am Kelly maybe I should get back into consistently
introducing the podcast to easethat transition.
But our, our listeners are notslow, so I think they'll,
they're, they're quick to theuptake.
They get it.
Tiffany (01:31):
They understand why your name came first.
Kelly (01:33):
The importance level, they understand completely.
Yes.
Yes.
Tiffany (01:37):
Okay?
We'll argue about this more.
I'll plan another episode.
I'll plan a future episode forus to hash this out completely.
Today, we get to talk aboutusing herbs in pregnancy.
It is something that we havealways championed, always tried
to demystify, always been a partof providing more education and
information, but especiallysince we brought back nor Tea
(02:01):
into our online shop, there'sbeen tons of questions,
information, lots of discussionhappening in all the spaces.
So we might as well bring partof that discussion here.
So that we can refer people tothis episode when they're like,
Hey, is this safe?
Is that safe?
Why not?
Why does the internet say this?
(02:21):
It's a wor, it's a worthy thingto unpack today.
Kelly (02:24):
Yeah.
Why does the internet say thisis a good question and I think
that's why we want to continueto like touch on this topic in
all the different spaces that weshow up in.
Because when women Google stuff,anybody can say anything
obviously, and some people havereally strong opinions about,
well, if the FDA didn't saysomething, well, if this
(02:46):
particular research didn't showsomething then I refuse to use
it or I refuse to recommend it.
And while I understand that lineof thinking.
We also can recognize the, youknow, hundreds of years of
anecdotal stories.
We also can recognize who isfunding certain research or not
funding, or what will really getresearched in general what will
(03:07):
make people money and whatwon't.
And I will guarantee herbs willnot make, you know companies big
money.
And so that is one of thereasons I think that it gets
really confusing out therebecause the kind of messaging
behind it can get really skewed.
Because of that issue inparticular.
Tiffany (03:24):
Okay.
Before we jump in here, Kelly,what is a routine a product that
you have ditched and will not begoing back to?
It used to be something that youwere totally into.
It was a part of your everydaylife maybe, and recently you've,
it's out.
You're not doing it anymore andyou probably will not do it ever
again.
Kelly (03:44):
Okay, I'm gonna do one, one product and one routine.
Yeah.
I'm gonna do one and one becauseI have, I have something to
share on both and I won't get,I'm interested to hear if you
have something to share, but aproduct I used to be, I, I used
to be certain that there was noclean alternative to like the
spray$5.
(04:06):
Dry shampoo that I used.
I was like, I've tried every,I've spent a lot of money trying
things.
I've tried the natural things.
I'm like getting cocoa powderall over my clothes, like all
kinds of things, and then I willlink it in the show notes.
I found my little holy grail ofwhat works for my hair in
particular.
'cause you and I have talkedabout this before, what works
(04:26):
for you doesn't work for me andthat's acceptable.
But I found the one.
Who my heart loves and it hasworked phenomenally.
If you're watching this onYouTube today, which BT dubs,
we've been putting these onYouTube, you'll see that I
didn't put any this morning'cause I was rushed, but I love
it.
I finally feel like, ooh, I'velike figured out that thing that
(04:48):
I was like, well, I'm decreasingmy toxic burden in all these
other places.
I'm just going to keep thisparticular super toxic thing in
my life.
And I was willing to do that fora while until I found this
product.
So I'm excited to, I'll link it.
So now that I'm saying this outloud, I completely forget'cause
I tried two separate ones thatwere EWG verified.
(05:10):
One of them was not that great.
One of them was really wonderfuland I'm for, I don't wanna say
the wrong one out loud rightnow, so I'm gonna link it in the
show notes for you.
But I've been putting it on withlike a little, I'd like dip a
little brush in and whatever,put it on.
And it's been wonderful.
I've been using it at nightsometimes too.
'Cause I.
I chose the dark one and thelight one and the dark one for
(05:31):
whatever reason, just does notwork for me.
So anyway, I'm very excited tofinally feel like I have
something to actually like.
Hold onto on that realm becauseI need it.
I know that, that we could godown a long rabbit hole of
washing your hair and you know,oil and how often to wash it and
all of that.
My hair is very oily and I knowthat people will say then don't
(05:54):
wash it as much and teach it andwhatever.
I just need some dry shampoo inmy life.
That's just me.
Tiffany (06:01):
I, I was just recently thinking, Hey, because did you
try the spray one that I sharedwith you a few months ago?
Kelly (06:07):
Yes,
Tiffany (06:08):
Okay.
And
Kelly (06:08):
and I did not like it.
Tiffany (06:10):
Yeah, I
Kelly (06:11):
I swear I've spent so much money on this.
Tiffany (06:14):
same.
It's been the saga of alifetime.
I've even given you some asgifts where I'm like, this one's
gonna be it.
Well, because your hair is dark,it's different.
I think it's a lot
Kelly (06:23):
Yeah.
Tiffany (06:24):
shampoo all the ingredients that are in cleaner,
dry shampoos are light and theytry to do
Kelly (06:29):
Mm-hmm.
Tiffany (06:30):
to do the the dark hair versions of it.
And maybe that works for somepeople.
But honestly, I was justthinking the other day.
You know what?
I'm just gonna wash my hairevery freaking day.
Who, what am, i'm holding upthis, I'm holding up this
particular value of getting myhair used to being oily for the
past 10 years.
(06:51):
It's not working.
I just, I'm just gonna see whathappens if I wash my hair every
time it looks dirty, and I'mjust, I'm just gonna move on
from there.
And if I'm wrong and itcompletely dries out and damages
my hair, and I'm in a worseposition than having oily hair
for two days before I feel likeI can wash it again, I then,
we'll, maybe we'll readjust.
Kelly (07:11):
Yeah, we'll meet, we'll meet that when we get to it.
I'm glad I'm not alone.
I am certain that womenlistening are like, oh, thank
goodness.
So absolutely.
Go check that out.
It's not on Amazon, so it's notas like, quick to order or
whatever, but it is worth it andactually really well priced too
for, for what it is.
But I do wanna mention alsobefore, or do you have, do you
have a product that you wantedto share or like a, a thing,
Tiffany (07:33):
I have a routine and I will share it.
But
Kelly (07:36):
Yes.
Tiffany (07:36):
too.
Okay.
What's your
Kelly (07:38):
Yeah, I was, I was just gonna say for a while, not like
every single day, but myhusband, when he would come home
from work and like we weremaking dinner together or
something, we'd always have adrink together.
Like I don't drink wine anymore,which is funny given where we've
come from as a podcast.
But, I don't like, you know,just like a hard kombucha or
something that we'd be like, oh,let's just like enjoy this
(08:00):
together while we're makingdinner and like catching up on
our day.
And I don't, it just was what wedid and I.
Once I was like, Hey, maybe wedon't need the, maybe we just
don't need that.
And it was like, I don't, Idon't know why it felt like such
a routine or such like a thingthat we were like, this is just
what we do.
But after I was like, I'm not, Irecognize how it impacts me.
(08:24):
Alcohol, even like a hardkombucha or something that's
like not crazy.
My sleep is messed up and I haveto work harder on my blood sugar
regulation, all kinds of stuff.
And I'm like, well, let's talkabout things that are not worth
it.
It's that.
So that is my routine that wehave ditched.
I don't know, this was kind of awhile ago, but just sharing
because it really was part oflike a, oh, this is just kind of
what we do sort of thing.
(08:45):
And now we don't.
Tiffany (08:47):
I know routines are such a thing, right?
Like we're just in'em to, oh,especially my personality,
someone who's a little more typeA.
We are just in the routine forthe sake of.
Following along the program,right.
Makes me feel comfortable
Kelly (09:01):
Yeah,
Tiffany (09:02):
So do you, what do you do?
Kelly (09:03):
for sure.
Tiffany (09:04):
do instead?
You replace it with some otherkind of drink, like, because
that time of connecting andsharing is important.
Are you still able to do
Kelly (09:12):
Yes.
Tiffany (09:13):
Okay.
And so
Kelly (09:14):
Yeah.
Tiffany (09:15):
a beverage involved.
Kelly (09:16):
Yeah, and I mean really we were just like doing di like
usually depending on the timing,whatever, we've had like a new
rhythm with my husband's.
He has a different work schedulenow, this last like, I don't
know, eight months or something.
But I.
Usually it was just like, oh,we're making dinner together, or
we're doing something in thekitchen together as our time of
reconnecting after like the dayof him being gone.
(09:38):
And so, no, we just don't haveanything else.
'cause our hands are alreadydoing something else, right?
Like we're cleaning up or we'redoing the dishes, or we're
making dinner or cutting thingsup or whatever.
And so.
Yeah, our hands are alreadydoing something.
Usually that's my problem.
Like if I'm at a party and I'mlike, I'm not gonna have
anything to drink tonight.
I'm like, I need something in myhand.
I need my hand to be doingsomething while I'm talking to
people for whatever reason.
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And so I was like, well, ourhands are already doing
something, so it doesn't,doesn't actually matter as much
Tiffany (10:07):
Yeah.
Good job, Kelly.
Real okay.
Mine is, this is recent, so Ibelieve I will not be going back
to this, believe, but it's sorecent.
I can't say for sure.
So you are welcome to follow upwith me sometime.
but I used to always workoutfasted in the morning.
I'd get up, I'd have a cup ofcoffee, I would jump into my
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workout almost first thing inthe day just to have it over
with, and I always thought.
I know not everyone can work outfast.
It doesn't feel good for them,but for me, I was like, this is,
this is totally working and itwas worth it.
To push that so that I couldmake sure I was consistent with
workouts and my schedule.
And then recently I've shifted alot of things around with diet
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and exercise, and I ended upresearching more about the
specific goals I have forbuilding muscle mass and just
being more metabolically stableand healthy and working towards
that and the research.
course, I believe that fastingcan have its place for women,
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especially in really uniquesituations.
However, the research aboutfasted workouts, which I wasn't
necessarily doing in order to, Iwasn't trying to get any fat
loss, by working out fasted.
It really just was theconvenience factor for my
schedule.
But the research that supportsfasted workouts is all done on
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men and wi and so some men doreally well fasted workouts.
Al almost across the board, allwomen will not long-term do well
with fasted workouts, especiallyin the morning because of our
cortisol levels interplay witheverything but.
Also with how, how nutrients areshuttled to our muscles,
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specifically during workout andrecovery.
I just did, I, I just learnedenough about muscle mass that
and, and coming into a workoutwith nutrition on board that I'm
like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna haveto change everything about my
routine in order to implementthis.
And so I have over the past.
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Month and it has been a bigshift and I'm a little bit
irritated with having to getused to a new routine and time
out eating and working out andall of that.
But my workouts are better and Idon't think I would have really
noticed that before.
It makes sense if you have ener,if you have nutrients to make
energy, you're gonna have abetter workout, but.
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I don't think I really noticedthe difference because I had
nothing to compare it to before.
I just
Kelly (12:45):
Mm-hmm.
Tiffany (12:45):
was, that was my normal, that was working out
fine for me.
So that is something that islike, I have the information and
I acted on it and I pro Iprobably will not be going back
to fasted workouts.
I probably will always opt foreating and timing, nutrition
with my workout moving forward.
Kelly (13:06):
I love that.
Yeah, I, we had a conversationlike a couple years ago even
about this just personallyabout, you know, fasted workouts
and whatever, and I was like.
Like at the time my, my cardiowas specifically on my Peloton
bike, where you get really clearfeedback on like your output,
how hard you're working.
Like you kind of get these, youget these numbers and these
analytics of how your body isdoing every single time.
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And again, it was conveniencethat I did it fasted because my
kids were still asleep or, youknow, whatever, where I was just
like, I just gotta get this in.
I could never, no matter.
If I had had rest days, nomatter how well I fueled myself
the day before, whatever, Icould never get my output as
high as I did when I worked outlater in the day or after some
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kind of, you know fuel right ofsome kind.
And I always like rememberedthat of just like,'cause
normally I don't always fullysee that, right?
Like when you're liftingweights, you're like, yeah, this
is hard.
Or, oh, I can do a little bitmore, you know, whatever.
But the, that, that output wasso helpful for me to see like,
this is tangible information forme and my body that like, I
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can't give as much during thiswithout fueling my body before.
I always thought that wasinteresting.
Tiffany (14:14):
Yeah, same.
Same.
And I, well, I mean, I don't,I'm not sure if I really know.
I never, I never came out of aworkout going like, gosh, that
was exceptionally hard, becauseI think I.
I didn't have fuel for it.
I, I, it just would, some,sometimes workouts would be
harder than usual, depending onmy cycle.
I didn't, I wasn't really makingthe connection.
So I hope that encouragessomeone out there is working on
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similar goals to just tr and itdoesn't have to be a lot, it can
just be only just 30 minutesbefore your workout, throwing
protein and some kind of carb inyour coffee.
Like some kind of sweetener,some kind of, you know, milk,
beverage, and just doctoring upyour coffee 30 minutes before
your workout is enough to get.
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To get your, get nutrition inyour body and use for a workout.
And then eating right away aftereating and refueling for
recovery.
I could, I, I've been down sucha rabbit hole on this one.
I could go, we could, we couldgo on and on, but women are
actually listening to thisepisode right now because they
wanna learn how to use herbs inpregnancy.
Kelly (15:20):
Understandable.
Tiffany (15:22):
Let's talk about why herbs freak people out.
Why do, why herbs in general, Ithink freak people out?
But then especially inpregnancy, I think, I think
society absolutely loses itsmind on using herbs in
pregnancy.
Kelly (15:38):
Yeah, and I, I mentioned earlier like the Googling aspect
is really hard because you getall this kind of different
information.
You hear like, oh, this mighthave the potential to X, Y, Z.
Oh, some.
Women use it and say it wasfine.
Some women use it and say like,this ruined, you know, whatever.
The, the thing becomes, you hearsomething right and you say,
(15:59):
Ooh, that sounds like aninteresting thing.
I want like, say dandelion,right?
You're like, oh, I'm interestedin that.
I wanna support my liver andpregnancy.
I'm really trying to like, youknow, focus on that.
Let me talk to my provider, orlet me Google this right now.
Right?
You go into your provider and.
Depending on who your provideris, they may just simply say,
no, that's not safe.
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Because they don't know.
And a lot of providers don'tknow.
And I don't know about U Tiff'cause we went to different
midwifery schools.
I didn't have like I mean I hada how to use and prepare herbs
and like some.
Major, like top things in termsof clinical use, particularly at
births for my herbal kind ofeducation.
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But to really dig into it, I hadto search elsewhere.
Like kind of reminded me ofthyroid stuff where I was like,
there's more to this and I needto actively go out and seek it.
Most providers, maybe notmidwives, some Sure.
But.
Most obs probably are notspending their extra time
learning and digging intodifferent you know, educational
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tools about herbs in pregnancyin particular.
Tiffany (17:07):
Oh my gosh.
They don't even have to take anutrition course.
They don't even have to
Kelly (17:11):
Right?
Tiffany (17:12):
on nutrition.
So I'm really
Kelly (17:14):
Yeah.
Tiffany (17:14):
that they don't have natural remedies as a part of
their repertoire unless they've
Kelly (17:19):
Yep.
Tiffany (17:19):
the work to, to get some extra information.
And I was sharing something onInstagram recently and this
woman.
out and said, Hey, where did youget this information?
Because I have a home birthmidwife and she does not have
this knowledge.
And I said, oh yeah, we took oneclass in school.
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That was like a briefintroduction, potentially gave
us a little bit of likecuriosity and like you said,
some really practical, like,let's use this for this, let's
use this for this, let's usethis for this.
Maybe we have like.
I don't know, a dozen herbs thatwe learned in midwifery school
about how to use them.
But I told her no.
I had to enroll in a completelyseparate course.
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I.
That an herbalist teachesonline.
Aviva Rahm, she has a reallycomprehensive herbal course for
practitioners and providers.
And then I had to keep studyingand learning.
And then I also had the benefitof part of my preceptorship as a
student was with a traditionalChinese medicine provider.
And so I got to learn and exposemyself to a lot of information,
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but tons of it has just beenself steady Getting comfortable
with the idea that it's not areally well researched topic,
and so if, if we're just onlygoing to use, what the modern
world.
Thinks is a, is good scientificresearch on something in order
to make decisions, and we'retaking this evidence-based
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approach the way that we do withother medical aspects of
pregnancy and, you know clinicalcare, we're not gonna be
satisfied with the informationthat's out there.
So let's talk about that alittle bit, Kelly.
Like why, why?
Why is there not betterinformation out there about
using herbs in general, butespecially in pregnancy?
Kelly (19:11):
Yeah, I mean the it go, it always goes back to the
research, right?
Like, how are they going torealistically research that?
How are they going to createresearch, like projects that
across the base would providegood answers?
Who would.
Be the one funding that, whowould make money off of that.
Right.
Like, we kind of just keepcoming back to that idea of it,
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it's a, it's a hard area toreally kind of nail down.
And I think kind of going backto what you were just saying.
You know, we encourage women,like sometimes you might read
something and think like, oh,the evidence says this on the
vitamin K shot.
Right?
But I am not going to take, I'mnot going to choose that for my
child, right?
(19:53):
Because intuitively, that's mydecision.
I.
Right.
Oh, but I see this research thatsays this, but I'm choosing
something different, right?
And so we don't always have tobe choosing something that's
based on this like hard firmresearch.
It is okay to choose somethingdifferent based on your
preferences, your intuition,your desires for how you want to
raise your family or treatyourself or whatever else.
(20:16):
And so again, I think it comesback to that idea of.
Of really quality research.
We want that.
I don't think this is an areathat we will ever actually get
that, and I think that is why itmakes.
Like, I'm, I'm fine with that,right?
I can understand why it makespeople uncomfortable and are
like, well, I'm just gonna stepback and not even like, engage
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in that whatsoever.
But I also that, I also thinkthat just leaves women at a
deficit because these are easyto use and like the minerals and
the effects and support and allof that that come along with
them.
Can be incredibly helpful.
I mean, we're talkingspecifically for pregnancy, for
pregnancy in general, and youknow, preparing for labor and
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birth and postpartum, all of it.
And so yeah, it's just, it'sunfortunate because I think that
scary factor I.
Leads a lot of women to kind ofjust step back and, and not be
willing to engage in it as much.
It's been fun on Instagram andin our membership and things
that people are like, Ooh, likethe, I, I never even looked into
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this before because itoverwhelmed me, because it kind
of scared me.
But now that I'm trying and I'mlearning more, like the
confidence that they have tosupport their bodies with herbs
or support a particular issuethat they're having with herbs.
Is so cool.
So cool to see.
Tiffany (21:36):
Yeah.
And so we can provide a coupleof resources in the show notes
for women who are reallyinterested in doing a deeper
dive.
Because what happens with herbs,especially in pregnancy, is
there's a really broad category.
So it's not safe.
Not safe.
It is actually, the, like, theca, like the categories will go
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from, we have lots of researchon this herb.
It is, and we have no adverseoutcomes.
We give it like it, they're,they're, they're rated on like a
number system, but from one endof the spectrum, we have a lot
of research.
We have no reason to believeit's unsafe.
We have no reports of it beingunsafe.
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Use as often as you want to.
Then the next step down is we.
Have a lot of research on thisherb.
There's a couple of times thatthere have been adverse effects.
We're not sure if it's exactlybecause of this herb or because
of something else going on inthe pregnancy, but we're gonna
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just give it like a yellowlight, right?
Then there's a step down of wedon't have a lot of research on
this one.
We assume that it's safe, but wedon't have anything to prove
that it's unsafe, and sotherefore proceed with caution.
Then, then there, there's thenext step, like, right, so
there's such a huge.
huge spectrum of how todetermine if an herb is safe in
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pregnancy or in lactation also.
And so, so as a provider, I lookat those categories and then I
give my, I give my client theinformation, Hey, we believe
that this is a really safe herb.
There's some evidence that.
If you take it in the firsttrimester and you have a history
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of miscarriage, there's a reallysmall chance that that, that,
that might not be the case foryou.
However, anecdotally, there'scultures in the world who take
this specific herb to preventmiscarriage, so there you go.
You're stuck in between theplace where someone just wants
to know, is it safe or not safe,and.
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When we, when we like, thinkabout how this translates into
other categories of things,right?
When we just want this black andwhite explanation for everything
in life and we want someone elseto tell us what's okay, what's
not okay, it it, it disempowersus as women.
And not everybody wants to beempowered with using herbs in
pregnancy.
(24:03):
I understand that.
But if you do and you want theinformation and you wanna learn,
which is gonna be most of thewomen listening to this right
now.
have to, you have to figure outwhere to find that information
and have a, have a conversationwith somebody who understands
how to interpret some of it,right?
Have a midwife on board, have anherbalist on board.
Have a wise woman in your lifewho has been using herbs in her
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life for a really long time andknows how to interpret some of
that information and help youout so that you can learn, so
that you can build up yourlittle toolbox with that, and
you can say.
Nothing in life is guaranteed.
Nothing in life is a hundredpercent safe.
I'm gonna take this informationand make the decision that's
best for me.
That's what I hope women kind oflike get out of thinking about
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why herbs have, why herbs aresafe or not safe.
Kelly (24:53):
Yeah,.
And I think you, you touched onsomething really helpful, I
think for, for women.
If you can, even if you're like,I'm slightly interested in this,
you can choose a couple herbsthat you're like, wow, the
safety on this, likeoverwhelmingly looks like it's
going to, like, I'm gonna befine.
Right?
And just get really good atusing those particular herbs.
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Learn about those, understandhow you wanna use them, making
infusions.
Tinctures, things like that andfigure out like, how is this
impacting me?
How can I use this more so in myeveryday life once you start?
Because for me, per like usingthem personally, it felt a
little intimidating to be like,okay, there's so many herbs out
there, there's so many ways touse them.
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How am I gonna go about makingsomething consistent in my life
or using something like this ifI'm seeing an issue pop up, or
I'm trying to prevent somethingand being able to say, okay, I'm
just gonna take a couple.
And then figure out like, whatare all these best benefits?
What are the best ways to usethis?
How are the best ways to preparethis?
How am I actually going toprepare it and make that
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consistent?
And then all of a sudden I'mlike, Ooh, I understand herbs
more.
Right?
And then that gave me confidenceto start, like looking into
other options that I can bringinto my home for my kids or my
husband or myself, or have onhand for certain situations.
And so some of that really isjust like slow.
Baby step confidence building.
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But most of the time when youstart doing that, then all of a
sudden you're like, I I wasabout to sing, start singing the
Ariel song that I, I like, Iwant more, right?
Like, I, I am, I'm interested inthis.
Now I'm kind of like, I.
This is sort of my thing.
It starts to get, it's notaddictive, but just like it
starts to get empowering in away where you're like, I
actually have confidence in thisnow.
(26:37):
And you can start to bring in afew at a time.
And that's kind of the, the,that's the best way that I
recommend getting into this ispicking a couple, or even just
one that you were like.
Wow.
You know what sounds really niceis chamomile tea at the end of
the day or whatever.
But you can learn about all themillion different ways that you
can also use chamomile in otherdifferent places, right?
And then you have thisincredibly helpful herb on hand
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that you feel really good aboutusing and really confident in.
And all of a sudden then you'relike, okay, yeah.
But I also wanna bring in.
Some dandelion for my liversupport.
Right?
Okay.
And now I understand how toprepare the herbs.
So it makes it everything, likeevery step, just that much
easier and again, just builds somuch more confidence for women
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who are wanting to kind of weavethis style of support into their
homes consistently.
Tiffany (27:26):
Yes.
And I would say gettingcomfortable with it and getting
familiar is the priority.
And then the second piece fromthat, where I think women have a
little bit of a stumbling blockis, oh, I've tried that before
and it didn't work for thatthing.
It's probably because you didnot have therapeutic dosing for
it.
Even the dosing that is on thebottles.
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Of things that you buy at thestore is going to be really
conservative and probably nottherapeutic dosing, and so.
I think that's what kind offreaks women out a little bit
too, is most of our protocolsare telling women for most, most
herbal remedies to take two orthree times what the, the
standard dosing is that youwould find online.
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Because we're looking at, I.
We're not looking, we're, we'rejust, we're looking at the
information from people who havebeen studying the use of herbs
for women for hundreds of years.
And that's, that's, that's wherewe're getting our information
and that's what works well inour practice.
So we usually tell people as theentry point, teas are really
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easy and we specificallyrecommend like a loose leaf.
Herbal infusion.
So that's pouring hot water overthe herbs.
Usually like in a glass jar, aglass container or a pitcher or
something like that.
Leaving it to sit overnight,letting all of those really good
properties come out of theherbal teas and then enjoying
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that.
That's a really fast, easy,simple way to start enjoying
herbs.
And then we also recommendtinctures because.
They're very effective.
They're cheap, they're easy touse.
It's easy to count out droppersand dropper fools, and kind of
gives you the most bang for yourbuck.
You're getting the, you'regetting the, the strongest, most
effective form of the herb.
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And it's, it's relatively easyto use.
But let's talk about, there's12, there's 12 herbs in
particular that we can say withconfidence women can use safely
in pregnancy.
And those of you who arelistening, who are like trying
to take notes, we have aresource that that lays out
every single recommendation thatwe're gonna share here today.
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There's a guide that's calledHerbal Remedies for Pregnancy,
birth and Postpartum.
And you can download it for freein our show notes and it will
give you all of theserecommendations and lots of.
Recipes and applications exactlywhat to use it for, what
combination you should do it,how, what, when, all of that.
(29:54):
So but Kelly, go ahead and sharejust for people that have like a
frame of reference, what arethese 12 herbs?
You mentioned a couple of themalready, but what, what do we
say?
Like, just across the board,women can generally enjoy in
pregnancy.
Kelly (30:06):
Yes.
So if you are taking notes orjust kind of mentally processing
the 12 that we have listed thatyou can be like, Hey, if I grab
some of that, like, I trust thatthis will be safe, easy to use,
all of that.
First one would be chamomile,alfalfa, dandelion.
Ginger, lemon balm, lavender,nettle, oat straw, echinacea,
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peppermint, red, raspberry, androse.
So those are the 12 that wewould say, yes, these are safe.
Potentially a couple of themhave some offshoots like, Hey,
use it this way, or, Hey, beaware of this kind of thing.
But for the most part, it'sreally helpful just to have an
idea that like, Hey, there are ahandful of those.
And every single one of thosecan be used for a million
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different things too.
Right?
And so understanding like, hey,I can, I can kind of even just
randomly snag one of those,understand what it can be used
for, understand the nutritionalproperties of it, the minerals,
the vitamins and things that itprovides, and figure out how to
start weaving that into my life.
You mentioned also.
You know, the dosage isincredibly important.
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And so a lot of women will belike, well, I tried ginger tea,
but it didn't really help me.
But they were using like, youknow, a little tea bag from the
store and seeping it for a fewminutes and trying to sip it and
it wasn't very helpful.
But then women will drink like,oh man, a whole ginger infusion
thing that really changed mywhole life.
So you can start to kind of messaround with.
How you're using them, thedosage you're using them, the
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the way that you are doing it.
But I agree completely.
Herbal infusions are probablythe easiest way to get into this
and actually get some reallygood benefit too, so that you
feel like, oh, not only am Ilearning something, but I'm
actually getting, I'm gettingsomething in return too.
I'm actually feeling somethingor feeling relief from something
or experiencing something.
Tiffany (31:57):
And I wish we could get into all of those little pieces.
'cause I know that's what peopleactually want to know.
All of the little like, okay,take this for this for this
amount of time.
Don't do this in your firsttrimester, but double up in your
third, all of that and likethat.
I know that's the fun part.
So that's why we put it in theguide so that it can be
referenceable so women can lookat it.
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And of course you need to beable to.
Be an adult and for what you'retaking.
And if you have a feeling likethat doesn't agree with my body,
or I don't feel, I don't feelgood about that choice, run it
past your own care provider.
Do some more research on it.
We are not saying these are allgonna be right for every single
woman of course.
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So we get messages all the timeof like.
You recommend peppermint tea?
I heard if you drink 47 quartsof that in your last week of
pregnancy, it will tank yourmilk supply.
Oh yeah.
Right.
Um-huh.
So don't do that.
Maybe, or you know, someone'slike, well that gave me a lot of
digestive upset.
I don't know why you recommendit.
Yeah, well, you're an individualperson.
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Something hurts your stomachwhen you take it.
That's not the one for you.
I would really like all thelisteners to just be a part of
that open-minded responsibilitytaking please.
Okay.
So there's one particular Imean, we mentioned our Nora Tea.
That we wanna share with youguys today.
We brought it back into thestore front.
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We said we were never gonna doanother shippable product
because it's.
So much work for busy moms andmidwives to manage that.
But we were getting so many forit and every time we shared on
what a wonderful pregnancy tonicit was, women were like, where
do we get that?
And we're like, well, there'ssomething like kind of similar
on Etsy here and like.
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Amazon kind of has like thisblend here.
You could make it yourself athome, and women are like, that's
so cool.
I don't wanna make it myself athome.
So we had a lot of motivation tobring it back to the masses for
women to enjoy.
But let's, let's unpack thatrecipe a little bit because you
guys absolutely can make this onyour own.
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Those DIY ladies out there.
This is the easiest, cheapest,and most beneficial thing to pop
into your pregnancy routines.
But if you don't, of course wehave it available in our shop
too.
So you have lots of options,lots of links in the show notes
for getting more information.
But let's, let's unpack the nortea a little bit so that women
can understand the, the mostaccessible way to kind of like
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cover your bases.
I say like it's a cover yourbases type of tea in pregnancy.
Kelly (34:34):
Yeah, it almost, it almost feels like a, like a, you
know, a prenatal or somethingwhere you're like, okay, at
least I know I'm getting this,like, you know, well-balanced
piece.
But now I need to figure outlike, what else do I really
need?
What food am I eating?
All of that.
Nora Tea is an incrediblesupportive tea that you can
drink throughout your pregnancy.
Nettle.
Okay, so Nora stands for nettle,oat straw, red raspberry, and
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alfalfa.
So, nettle, we recommend nettlein a million different ways.
If there was one herb thatyou're like.
I wanna get really good atunderstanding what it can be
used for.
Nettle is a great place tostart, and that is why it's sort
of the basis of this entire tea.
The vitamin profile and themineral profile in it is
incredible.
And so it acts in and of itself,kind of like a multivitamin.
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Not saying that you don't need.
Anything else but saying it isreally robust in the amount of
minerals and vitamins that it,it has property wise.
It's really helpful for fluidbalance in your body in terms of
like swelling and things likethat.
Really supportive for anemia aswell.
That blood building support thatit can provide.
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And it's really helpful fordetox as well.
So it's, it's a wonderful herbto really get comfortable with.
And again, why it's sort of thisfoundational piece of this tea,
because it's sort of the blanketthat covers a lot of pregnancy
issues.
And can not only help decreasethose but also prevent them from
(36:03):
happening in the first place.
And that is what we love asmidwives to figure out things
that, hey, what can we likeintertwine here that also will
be something that will preventthings that are uncomfortable or
potentially even complicationsfrom happening in the future.
That's like one of the thingsthat we love to do.
So again, net's a great onespecifically for that.
Tiffany (36:24):
Yep.
And then next up is oat straw.
So like this is an acronym if a,no, if you guys aren't catching
on.
The reason we call it Nora is'cause it stands for the.
Beginning of all of these herbs.
But oat straw is great for bloodsugar balance.
It has an excellent B vitaminprofile.
It helps calm the nervous systemand just support nervous system
(36:45):
activation in general and isreally great for sleep.
So that's why we include that inthis blend.
And then Red Raspberry issomething that is one of those,
like one of thoserecommendations that can.
be controversial.
So there we have lots ofinformation about, let's not use
(37:06):
that until further along inpregnancy, especially for women
who.
Are prone to miscarriage.
So we have this blanketstatement of like, well, let's
not enjoy this blend because ofthe Red Raspberry until 16
weeks.
It's still plenty of time tonourish your pregnancy and enjoy
all the benefits of this, butyou also can just omit it.
You can just do the other threeherbs and not have the red
(37:29):
raspberry be a part of it.
But we love the Red Raspberryapplication for, toning the
uterus, providing iron,providing calcium, providing
vitamins, a, vitamin E, vitaminC, it's a winner.
It's just a great one to have inthe profile women during their
pregnancy.
Kelly (37:48):
Yeah, the last one.
On there that A and Nora isalfalfa.
And so this is a really helpfulone.
For blood building, inparticular, blood clot clotting,
vitamin K.
So that is the one that we bringon because your blood volume
expands so much throughoutpregnancy and there's so much
having to do with what yourblood is doing and how that
impacts the health of yourentire pregnancy, your birth
(38:10):
options, even your postpartumexperience.
And so that is a really heavyhitter to add in there as well.
So you can see.
That there's so many things thateach of these herbs individually
can do, so that when we put themtogether again, it creates this
really awesome tonic for womento consistently drink throughout
their pregnancies to help feelbetter and to help nourish their
(38:33):
bodies in a way that oftentimes,unfortunately we can't, we don't
always get from food and.
Our soil depletion and all ofthat.
And so that can be a reallyhelpful thing to have on hand if
you're interested in what, so inthat whatsoever I highly
recommend just dipping your toesinto it, making it yourself,
even just trying out our blendbefore you commit to buying the
things yourself.
(38:54):
But what's great is that buyingthem yourself, if you were
interested in.
Any of those, any of those Noraadditions or any of that list or
anything from our free guidethat's in the show notes?
We mention where you can buythose kind of individually.
You're looking for organicherbs, you're looking for
somewhere that sustainablysources their orbs.
(39:14):
We really love Mountain roseherbs.
The Frontier Co-op is anotherreally great place to get them.
And again, like we mentioned,the Nora Tea blend that we have
is like, kind of meets thosestandards as well and is already
done for you.
If you are like, I just need, Ijust need to press a button.
I don't need to be like gettingmy hands all dirty with all
these herbs.
So there's something foreverybody in how you wanna kind
(39:37):
of start dipping your toes intothis.
Tiffany (39:39):
Yeah, and so continue to join this conversation with
us on Instagram too because weend up answering so many
people's questions and dms andsharing those in stories, and
we've got resources.
In our reels, we've reallyincorporated a lot of that
herbal education and knowledgeinto that space too.
So join us over there, take alook at all of the, I, I know
(40:00):
the show notes are gonna bepacked full of resources and
links, and then share thisepisode with somebody who needs
to.
to be equipped and encouraged inthis particular area.
Somebody who wants to have morenatural resources and building
up that natural medicine cabinetand is not afraid to do that in
pregnancy too, ladies.
So I hope that, thatinformation, bless you, and, and
(40:23):
leads to you feeling moreencouraged and more equipped.
We will continue to share onthis herbal information and
other episodes too.
I have a lot of fun onesplanned.
Even just while we're recordingthis, I'm like, ooh.
Taking notes, taking notes onfuture episodes, including the
the debate about your nameversus my name, going first in
(40:45):
the podcast title.
I did
Kelly (40:48):
Finally putting that to bed.
Tiffany (40:50):
Finally.
Finally, yeah, we'll just, we'llhave it sorted out.
All right, ladies, we will catchyou next week
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