August 11, 2025 • 36 mins
We're jumping into a favorite topic of ours, because of our own personal and professional experiences with it: Adrenal Fatigue! We're going to walk you through symptoms, root causes, and our recommended protocols to nourish and support your adrenal health. From lifestyle rhythms to supplement recommendations: it's all here!
00:00 Introduction to the Podcast
01:09 Meet Your Hosts: Kelly and Tiffany
01:28 Personal Stories of Adrenal Fatigue
08:15 Understanding Adrenal Glands and Their Functions
09:42 Symptoms and Controversies of Adrenal Fatigue
12:58 Root Causes and Related Health Issues
18:32 Foundational Lifestyle Changes for Adrenal Health
22:27 Supplement Protocol for Adrenal Support
34:03 Membership and Additional Resources
35:28 Supporting the Show
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Now let's dive into today'sshow.
Kelly (01:09):
Welcome back to the at home with Kelly and Tiffany
podcast.
I am midwife Kelly.
Tiffany (01:14):
And I'm midwife Tiffany, and I'm important here
too.
Despite Kelly always insistingon introducing herself first.
Kelly (01:23):
I am obviously prideful and that's where we are right
now.
But today I'm actually reallyexcited to talk to chat about
this topic about adrenal fatiguein general because this is
actually personal to Tiffany andI having walked through this.
Ourselves because of seasons ofburnout and things like that
(01:45):
given work, life, school, allthe different things that we've
been through and the seasonsthat we have been friends.
And to be able to come out theother side of it and be like,
yes, there is hope, yes, thereis healing.
Here's how we can like start tosupport ourselves is actually
really enjoyable for us to beable to talk about because we
know how terrible it feels to bein that space.
Tiffany (02:08):
Yeah.
In fact, we're so wellacquainted with chronic stress
and just also treating womenwith chronic stress conditions.
They can feel really complex,but it is such a foundational
piece of holistic women'shealth.
We have created tons ofresources and content around
this topic inside of our monthlymembership.
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So those of you who are.
Thinking through some of thesepieces and wanting a little bit
more handholding as we discussthis, that is probably the best
place for you to jump in forrelatively.
Cheap entry.
I think our membership price iscurrently 32, 30$4 a month.
Gosh, I should probably knowthat as I'm promoting it.
(02:50):
low thirties, low thirties amonth, and an excellent place
for you to go get a ton moreresources.
And education and information,but we, what we get to talk
about today is our specificprotocol for treating HPA access
dysfunction quote unquoteadrenal fatigue issues.
(03:10):
But before we jump in, Kelly, Ihave the icebreaker set today
for me through your morningroutine.
I know the listeners wanna hearwhat.
Things we do in our real life.
And so I have some routine ishicebreakers planned for some
future episodes.
So give us the morning routinebreakdown in your life.
Kelly (03:32):
So, okay, so it looks a little different depending on
the day, just because myschedule's slightly different
and there's more time and easeon certain days than not.
But the like non-negotiablepieces, right?
Are I have recently, maybe notrecently.
It's been a while.
I have plugged my phone in farfrom my bed so that it is not a
temptation to use that as mytimer or, you know, alarm to
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wake up.
And then immediately if I'mturning it off, well then I'm
like, well, let me just checkthese other messages or, you
know, notifications.
So I leave that elsewhere.
We actually have like just a, alittle like analog clock that
has a that has a.
What am I thinking of?
An alarm set to it.
And so that's, if I need analarm, can wake up to that.
There are days where I don'thave to set one and that is
(04:18):
glorious, but generallyspeaking, I wake up around the
same time every morning and Iwill open up the blinds to get
natural light in.
Of course, there's sometimeslike things I need to tend to if
kids are already awake and veryneedy, but we're at a pretty
like easy.
Space in that where they'repretty self-sufficient.
And I will go, I like to wash myface and brush my teeth when I
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first wake up because that likeinvigorates me and wakes me up.
So I oil cleanse with my Talibomb, brush my teeth with my
fluoride free doxy appetite, thewhatever stuff.
And then I grab my water bottleand I try to go outside.
First thing it gets the kidsoutside.
It gets me outside in morninglight looking at the, you know,
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morning sun, all of that goodstuff and.
We try to spend a little bit oftime out there before like
breakfast is happening, before Igrab coffee, all of that, like
10 minutes or so and then orlonger, right?
And can kind of go in and outfrom there.
But then I am, you know, usuallymaking somebody breakfast,
eating that myself.
And at some point before,depending on, you know,
(05:24):
obviously days are different andneeding to get outta the house
or not more quickly, but we'reusually all reading something
together.
Maybe not, not me like readingout loud, but like the kid, the
older kids are reading theirbibles, they're, or they're
listening to like a Bible app.
I'm doing the same, my, myyoungest is like flipping
through her own story, you know,book kind of thing.
(05:46):
And you know, those are.
They can, sometimes that's likerelatively short time, but it's
something that feels importantto me to like establish as both
for myself but also establishfor my kids too as they're
growing up as like creatingtheir own rhythms as well that
are healthy and good and notwhich was my own problem screen
related.
So I took a long time to peelthat away because.
(06:08):
You know, apparently it was anaddiction or something very
similar to me.
It was a hard one to get to getout of the first be beginning
part of the day.
So that's generally speakingwhat the morning looks like.
It doesn't always exactly followthat, but that's like the,
that's the general gist of whatit looks like.
The first little bit of timewaking up over here.
Tiffany (06:30):
Oh man, I wanna come wake up at your house.
That sounds lovely.
Kelly (06:33):
It is, it's been a thing where it's had to be established
and you know, it's my, it's myown thing where I'm like, oh,
actually I kinda have to workhard at this.
I know these things are good forme.
I don't want to necessarilyalways do it.
Right.
I'm like, I wanna lay in bed andscroll on my phone for an hour.
Do I really want that?
I, no, but it feels tempting,right?
And so the consistency has beenthe thing that I've had to work
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on for that for sure.
Tiffany (06:58):
That's sweet.
I hope listeners are encouragedby doing just one small thing.
Just picking one little smallthing like drinking water first
thing in the morning, or gettingnatural sunlight first thing in
the morning, or creating a quiettime routine first thing in the
morning.
That's awesome.
Kelly (07:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I mean, obviously it didn'tstart out me doing all of those
things, like me opening up myblinds to let natural light in
was a step, right?
So it didn't all happen at once.
For sure.
It was, it was, I know this isgood for me, I'm gonna try this
out.
And that's what we tell ourtell, you know, our members, our
clients, the people who consultwith us.
It's like.
(07:36):
Here's all of this information,but just do one thing, right?
And then you'll feel like, okay,yes, I got this.
This is a part of my routine.
Okay, cool.
What else can we add in?
And small steps, rather thanoverhauling everything.
Because you will, you'llprobably burn out at that point.
And now here we are talkingabout adrenal fatigue.
So you know, we try.
Tiffany (07:56):
Yeah, so let's get around to that.
I, there's a little bit that wecan share about adrenal fatigue
in general, giving people abackground, but also ladies,
there are a couple of episodesthat we have gone into more
detail around some of thesepieces.
You can find that in the shownotes.
But Kelly give people like a,like a brief introduction to
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what the adrenal glands are.
Kelly (08:21):
Yeah, so they're actually small organs, so they're these
little guys who live on top ofboth of the kidneys and.
Even though they're little, theyactually play a huge part of
course, right?
Like nothing happens in ourbodies, in a vacuum.
Everything is interrelated.
But they're responsible for bothproducing and converting
hormones.
So, so much of the communicationthat happens in our bodies is
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through hormones.
The adrenal glands are really,they're, they're like the
experts in catecholamines, likethe stress hormones.
So we love them because we, weactually do need those, they're
not the enemy, but they can kindof get taxed, right?
So when they're, when they'refunctioning normally, they're on
top of all kinds of reregulatory things, right?
(09:05):
The metabolism, our immunesystem, our blood pressure,
mental health stuff, response tostress, all of that.
And so when it's functioningwell.
We are like, oh yeah, we're justlike, we're living our kind of
best lives.
Right?
But when they are not and whenthey're stressed we can
absolutely feel that on a, likeall of those different levels
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and all of a sudden you're like,well, clearly something is
wrong.
And even though, again, they're,they're tiny little organs
there, they absolutely do needour nourishment and support and
all of that because they can getstressed out just like we can,
right.
Tiffany (09:40):
Yeah,
Kelly (09:41):
Yeah.
Tiffany (09:42):
concept of adrenal fatigue is a little bit
controversial in the holistichealth space because the medical
model of care does not recognizeadrenal fatigue as an actual
diagnosis.
And so it's, it's reallydifficult sometimes for women to
identify information andeducation and resources and, and
help when there's like that,that information or that
(10:04):
knowledge controversy.
However, no matter where we landin what we're calling it.
there is a cluster of symptomsthat are very real, especially
for women under chronic stress.
And they're often associatedwith HPA access dysregulation,
so that could be a helpful termversus adrenal fatigue for women
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to gather more information orunderstand a particular set of
symptoms.
HPA access.
Dysregulation.
HPA just stands for hypothalamicpituitary adrenal.
It is kind of like giving thisthis systemic feedback loop of
hormone stress that happensbetween your brain and your
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adrenal glands.
And so.
Sometimes a more accurate way todescribe what is happening in
that HPA access is that it'sjust dysregulated.
It's the hypothalmic pituitaryadrenal system is dysregulated
from prolonged or chronicstress.
So your body is trying toconserve energy to protect you.
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It's trying to, keep your, it'strying to keep things as
regulated as possible, but itends up feeling like burnout and
a lot of that, that set ofsymptoms that is absolutely
valid, completely real worthpaying attention to things that
women would, you know, kind ofstart to.
Feel in their own bodies if theyhad this type of dysregulation
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would be persistent fatigue.
Even after recognizing thatthey're sleeping quite well.
Difficulty waking in themorning, like always having a
really difficult time getting upand getting going in the
morning.
Sugar or salt cravings.
Really persistent, really strongcravings for certain types of
food.
Brain fog.
Low motivation, poorconcentration, mood swings,
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irritability, anxiety, low sexdrive.
These are all a part of, andhaving this, having this having
symptoms like this periodicallyor transiently, they come and
go.
Sometimes you have low sex drive'cause it's a certain time of
month for you.
Sometimes you have brain fogbecause your diet's not on
point.
Right.
But we're talking about this setof symptoms where.
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The majority of these symptomsare present and consistent is
something to pay attention to,depending on caffeine or
stimulants every single day,just to feel like you can
function.
That has absolutely been a partof my symptom picture before,
feeling dizzy orlightheadedness.
Weight gain, that's unexplained,poor, sweet sleep quality.
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These are all symptoms of thispotential dysregulation, but I
think the important part.
Is, if you're gonna dive intothis understanding that there
could be other root, root causesat play
Kelly (12:51):
At play and that
Tiffany (12:53):
sometimes this idea of adrenal fatigue is actually a
symptom for something else.
Kelly (12:58):
Yeah, so it can, it can, like there's can be something
else going on and your adrenalscan be responding to that,
right?
And so trying to say, yes, wecan support the adrenals, but
then also if we're notsupporting what's going on
underneath that, if there issomething else going on really
truly underneath that, then.
We are.
Even though, yes, it's good tosupport, we always wanna just
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keep digging deeper just to makesure, right.
We are getting that foundationalpiece to make sure that
everything else that isinteracting with your system is
functioning as like, well as itcan.
Right?
And so some things to considerto look into.
If you know that this is part ofyour history or even your
current situation and you'realso experiencing these other
symptoms, that can be reallyhelpful to see.
(13:41):
Oh, actually this is really thisis this, this piece of my health
is actually really impactingthis other piece also.
We see a lot of thyroidimbalance.
Those often go hand in hand.
So something to consider.
Anemia or other kind ofnutritional deficiencies, we see
a lot of depletion involved inHPA or in adrenal fatigue.
Great.
And so nutritional deficienciesincredibly important.
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Sleep disorders like apnea canabsolutely impact that as well,
right?
That the fact of our, the matteris like, sleep is so important
and when it is disturbed in anyway, it can definitely impact a
lot of things going on.
And apnea is actually very co,like much more common.
Probably now than it ever.
I don't know if it's we're moreaware of it or the things that
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we're doing lifestyle wise andhealth wise and metabolically
speaking wise, all those thingscan impact that.
Mental health concerns canabsolutely play an impact like
depression, anxiety that canimpact this.
And then chronic conditions too,right?
If you're dealing withautoimmune stuff or ongoing
infections or gut imbalances.
The gut obviously were.
We keep kind of coming back tothat in so many different
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spaces, but how important guthealth is to the functioning of
pretty much every single systemin your body and how you feel
and how.
Even how what your, thesupplements that you're taking,
how those are actually beingabsorbed and used by your body
kind of comes back to that too.
So those are all importantpieces to consider.
Depending on your other symptompictures or your history or
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other things that you've beenlooking into for yourself, it's
a worthy thing to keep kind ofdiving a little bit deeper.
And so as you're consideringthat, you can also consider,
there is technically sometesting that you can be doing,
but I think it's, I, I mean,I'll let you kind of chat about
that, but I always think it'sreally interesting because this
is such a huge issue, but thetesting piece is always a little
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a little wonky in terms ofactually getting answers for
people.
I think it drives people alittle crazy.
Tiffany (15:33):
Yeah, I
Kelly (15:34):
Yeah.
Tiffany (15:35):
because HPA access dysregulation is so complex, it
involves so many other systems.
It involves your endocrinesystem.
It involves you know yournervous system.
It involves other organstructures and it's dependent on
your own.
(15:55):
Objective perception, right?
Of what's happening in yourlife.
So it's not always black andwhite, although there, there is
validity in cortisol testing andhormone testing and some of
those things.
But when women, and we'vetalked, we've discussed this on
the podcast several times.
When women wanna jump straightto testing and getting that
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information and trying to usethat information in order to go
in a certain directionoftentimes they're missing this.
Really important stabilizationpiece, which is going to be
applicable to everybody nomatter what type of symptoms
you're trying to manageholistically just in women's
health in general.
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And so.
Inside of our membership, we'rereally, really emphasizing those
foundational pieces.
Like how do you optimize thethings that are going to make
everything, stabilize,everything, feel better,
everything come together?
How can we support the body sothat it can heal itself?
And then when you have all ofthose pieces in place, you're
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sleeping well, your hormonesare, are, are being supported.
You have a grip on stressresponse in your body.
Your nutrition is dialed in,you're supplementing
appropriately.
You're honoring your ownmenstrual cycle and different
adjustments that need to be madeat certain times in your own,
you know, cycle every month.
Then when you have those pieces,probably some of your symptoms
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are going to be.
Just automatically repaired andstabilized.
Then you can look a little bitmore objectively of what, what
else is, what else needs to besorted out.
Maybe then we can bring sometesting in to get some more
information.
But if we pass up thosefoundational pieces and then we
just go straight to.
treating something specific thatis difficult to diagnose in the
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first place, then I think womenare really missing an
opportunity to something that isgonna actually help the more
root cause issues and help withlong-term health.
So, I understand the medicalmodel Western Medicine has
taught us to.
Go straight to testing, gatherdata, and then treat symptoms.
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And sometimes it can be thatstraightforward, but oftentimes
with HP.
Access dysregulation, that's notso sometimes and for most women,
it just makes more sense to makelifestyle and nutritional
changes that support theirentire system versus chasing
down a diagnosis right away.
And we're gonna share an entiresupplement protocol that
nourishes the.
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The adrenal glands and this HPAaccess piece for women.
But something else, some otherpieces to keep in mind,
specifically for women who arehaving this cluster of symptoms
would be getting consistent withcircadian habits.
Morning sunlight.
Kelly, you mentioned that inyour own morning routine.
Stable sleep and mealtime.
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So going to bed at the same timeevery night, waking up at the
same time every morning, havingmeals.
Relatively at predictableintervals for your body
throughout the day.
sugar balance and mineral richmeal meals is really important.
Nervous system regulation, likebreath work, walking somatics,
paying attention to getting yournervous system dialed in and
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then reducing your reliance onstimulants like caffeine or
whatever else might be.
A part of your arsenal forproducing energy is actually
taxing your body even more.
And yes, there's a withdrawalperiod where you're asking your
body to actually suffer quite abit when you're pulling back
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those stimulants.
But you, but you have to inorder to give your body.
and space to heal and regulate.
So those are some reallyfoundational pieces that women
who even are not having thiscluster of symptoms absolutely
can benefit from bringing insome more of this support.
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However.
It's, it's vital.
It's for all of us, right?
And I think that's the coolthing about holistic health is
that we can look at some ofthese recommendations and ideas,
and even if you're like, huh,I'm not even sure if I'm having
adrenal fatigue or chronicstress issues, you could still
follow all of therecommendations and resources
that we're providing in thisepisode and benefit from it.
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I mean, that is, that's reallycool.
Kelly (20:17):
Yeah, I, I think it, we kind of we're, we're very into
making things like simple,right?
Going kind of the, let's kind ofslow down, let's see some of
these foundational pieces.
And I think a lot of what issaid in the health space is
like.
Go get this visit, go spend allthis money, go do this, involved
testing, do go through like allof these crazy rigorous
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protocols, which can be helpfulat times, right?
There's a space for that.
But I think we kind of forget ohyeah, there are these very
simple things that if I jumpover them, they absolutely will
impact my body.
So if I just go back to some ofthose very simple pieces then I
can start to see how is my bodyactually.
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How does it actually want tofunction?
What am I actually feeling atthis point when I am sleeping
well and, you know, nourishingmy body with the foods that it
wants?
All of that kind of stuff.
So yeah, we do always wanna justkind of slow down.
And what's great about thisprotocol that we'll share for
supplement wise is that, again,even if you are like, oh, I, I'm
not quite sure if this is.
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Like me to a t, all of thesesymptoms and all of that.
This is a great lineup to havein your arsenal no matter what.
And so this is these are greatpieces to have.
You absolutely can just start onsome of these basic things, both
the lifestyle stuff that Tifftalked about, and then this
protocol that we'll chat aboutand then just kind of see.
Hey, in a couple months, how amI actually feeling?
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Right?
So you can even write down nowyour symptoms, scale them one to
10, all of that good stuff, andthen start doing some of these
things, even if it is quote,just the supplement protocol,
right?
And then see how you are feelingand start just like I was saying
with the morning routine.
Start one thing at a time.
Right, that you can start toweave in and see how much of an
impact you make.
So I've mentioned the supplementprotocol.
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It is on full script, which itis always on our account it's
always 25% off MSRP, so you willalways be getting a fantastic
deal.
And there's also recommendationsin terms of dosage and all of
that within the protocol.
And so you can hop in there andbe like, I'm gonna take.
You can take it all.
You can take some and kind offollow along with some of that,
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depending on what you're alreadytaking and all that good stuff.
The first one, and this is onethat we recommend across the
board in this situation, wouldbe trace minerals.
So trace minerals are incrediblyimportant.
We're like mineral depleted.
In so many ways, in so manyseasons for a million different
reasons, including our soil evenis so depleted in and of itself.
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So even foods that are normallybringing us lots of minerals are
weaker basically at this point.
And so these kind of mineralscan really fuel those adrenal
enzymes and really can kind ofcome in in that stress related
oxidative damage that happens toour cells, to our systems.
And help reduce that.
Help kind of bring somestability to that piece on top
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of a million other things thatit can provide.
But we see even with just that,we see a lot of women who are
like, oh, I'm starting to comeback to myself because like we
mentioned, so many nutritionaldeficiencies can impact you
know, what's going on.
Tiffany (23:24):
Yeah.
And then next on the list is Bvitamins.
And you, there's a, there's alot of ways to approach B
vitamins.
I mean, you especially wannamake sure that you have B five,
B six, B12, but taking acomprehensive broad spectrum B
complex might be like the bestway to go about that for women
who just are wanna make surethat they're getting enough bees
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and.
What B vitamins do is they aidin energy production, they help
with hormone synthesis, and thatsubsequently helps with mood
balance too.
So most, most of us couldbenefit from being on a B
complex.
Kelly (24:03):
Yeah, for sure.
The next one in there are omegathrees.
You'll see this if whenever werecommend you know, supplements
for women, we often come back toOmegas because they are so
important to many differentfunctions on how our systems
just keep rolling forward.
So it's really great forreducing inflammation, which
then allows like the gates tokind of open for your body to
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communicate well.
It's gonna support that brainadrenal communication.
Omegas, you know that fat that'sin them.
Hormones, love to, you know,kind of soak up some of that fat
to help communicate with, youknow, different parts of our
bodies.
And so when we're providing itreally something solid like
this, it's really, we, weactually do see an impact on how
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some of these communicationlines can open up and become
more smooth, which is a greatthing.
And then it's great atstabilizing cortisol as well,
which is an incredibly importantstress hormone, which.
I think we're we're, you know,in the, in the social media
space and all of that, peopleare saying like, cortisol is
like the enemy, right?
It's totally not.
It's actually really, reallyhelpful for us.
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It has a purpose, right?
But the problem becomes when itjust is built up, built up,
built up and constantly kind ofbathing our bodies, then we're,
you know, we're having aproblem.
And so Omegas are really greatin helping to kind of stabilize
some of that cortisol for us.
Tiffany (25:22):
Next step is magnesium and.
know for sure that we havetalked about magnesium because
we're always talking aboutmagnesium every single place all
day long.
We're talking about magnesium.
We want women to be takingmagnesium orally every single
day.
Even if you think that you'regetting enough from your diet.
you probably need so much moreon a, on a regular basis to be
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absolutely certain you'regetting enough oral magnesium.
And then we want women to havea, have topical magnesium as a
part of their routine too.
So utilizing a lotion or a sprayor you know, regular.
Bath soaks, that kind of thing.
Your, your skin can actuallyabsorb and bypass the digestive
system and get magnesium intoyour system a whole lot faster
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when you, when you use ittopically.
But magnesium.
in our body actually getdepleted really quickly,
especially with stress.
And so when you have a poornight of sleep, when you have a
stressful event, if you'reexperiencing chronic stress, one
of the ways that your bodyactually nourishes those adrenal
glands and helps you cope andadapt with stress is use
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utilizing magnesium to do that.
So when we're stressed, we burnthrough it.
We probably need even moremagnesium.
magnesium helps to calm thenervous system.
It helps to improve sleep, ithelps regulate our cortisol and
so many other things.
It's a nerve tonic for ourbodies too.
And so, magnesium, magnesium,magnesium.
Kelly (26:52):
Yeah, we mentioned gut health.
Of course, we're gonna putprobiotics on here.
If you're eating fermentedfoods, wonderful.
Probiotics are a really quick,easy way to just help
proliferate happy bacteriawithin your gut.
And it's going to just in and ofitself.
Support some of that gut brainaccess that is that
communication that's happening,right?
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And when we are taking that andsupporting our gut system like
that, it's going just naturallyto reduce the inflammation.
And like I was saying, thatinflammation can just worsen
that stress response.
And so probiotics.
Again, is one of those everybodycan benefit from and a really
quick and easy way just to dosomething again, foundational
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that helps support that gutsystem, which again, can impact
so much.
Tiffany (27:39):
Next step is adaptogens.
And adaptogens are basicallylike specific herbal that help
your body adapt to stress.
So it's not necessarily that itproduces a specific.
Mechanism immediately issomething that actually works
better in your body if takenover a long period of time.
(28:00):
So that's why we have women juststart immediately, get on some
kind of adaptogenic blend, andbeing able to experience the
long-term benefits of nourishingyour stress response inside of
your body.
Balancing cortisol, improvingenergy.
We love some of the herbs outthere like Ashwagandha,
(28:24):
Rhodiola, holy basil.
Those are all great places tostart for women.
We have a couple of blends torecommend on full script.
We have a really comprehensive,like full spectrum adaptogenic
blend for women.
To enjoy just boosting thatstress, resilience, and usually
(28:45):
expecting about one or twomonths for that to kind of take
hold before you start to notice.
Yes, actually I do.
I am experiencing less stress.
I am, I'm, I feel like I'm alittle bit more resilient in my
stress experience and probablyall women should just be all
women who are, out in the modernworld dealing with time
(29:09):
schedules and pressure toperform and, you know, various,
various stressors just even intheir own and household and
motherhood.
If you're in the workplace,especially if you have digital
devices, all of those areindicators that you're probably
dealing with stress on a regularbasis.
(29:30):
Having adaptogens on board is sovery helpful.
Kelly (29:34):
I think you brought up a great point too about that
consistency.
Like sometimes we wanna takesomething and be like, overnight
we're, we're noticing something.
Or by the end of the week ifI'm, then I'll keep going with
it.
A lot of this is consistency.
What is going on in your body?
Didn't happen.
That quickly.
Right?
And so we do have to beconsistent in bringing our
bodies out of that space.
So that was like a helpfulreminder.
(29:54):
Even on some of the stuff thatI'm working on, I'm like, oh,
yes, yes, yes.
It's always a good reminder.
Sometimes these things takeconsistency and time and a
willingness to, you know, justcontinue foregoing the, the, the
path that you, or continue goingon, the path that you kind of
have set before you.
The next one up arehomeopathics.
So we have in there Ceia andIgnatia.
(30:14):
So homeopathics can feel alittle intimidating if you
haven't tried them before.
The dosage is in there.
It is not hard to actually takethem.
And what's great abouthomeopathics is that they're
actually, a lot of women arevery responsive to them and they
are very affordable.
And so it's a great combo oflike, Hey, let's try this out.
(30:35):
I was speaking with a homeopathalso recently because.
A lot of women were like, well,I read online like I shouldn't
drink water, or I shouldn't havefood around this time.
Like, I just can't remember allof these rules around it.
And she was like, similar towhat I would've said, but it was
helpful to get somebody who hadlike, you know, gone to school,
got a degree in this, was like,oh, it's much.
Be like forego the rules if youneed to.
(30:56):
Just get it in your body.
And so the more that you can dothat, the better.
And so that was an encouragementand hopefully you take that as
an encouragement if you're kindof considering kinda messing
around with this.
Homeopathics can be incrediblysupportive for many different
systems.
The ones that we have in thereare really great for emotional
balance.
In particular, if you just arefeeling moody in general, even
(31:19):
if you're like, oh yeah, yeah,I'm not none of the sip in
picture, but you're stilllistening applies to me sepia.
As a woman, you should have inyour back pocket pretty
consistently.
It is wonderful, especiallyaround period, kind of emotional
issues.
And they're also really helpfulfor chronic stress recovery.
So those two together.
Are, you know, big signs in thisadrenal fatigue situation.
(31:41):
And very simple, again,affordable things that you can
start to weave into your day tohelp to help support that.
Tiffany (31:48):
Yeah.
And
Kelly (31:48):
Yeah.
Tiffany (31:49):
are calming herbs.
So we talked about adaptogenspecific herbs, and then these
are going to be like more nervvines, more nervous system
supporting more.
Regulate like immediateregulation.
And we usually recommendtinctures.
That's how you'll see it in thefull script protocol because
(32:09):
they are fast acting, they'reeasy to take.
They're usually very potent inthe, the brands that we
recommend them for.
we have lemon bong.
Which is just generally a reallygood calming aid.
We have passion flower, which isgreat for more heightened senses
of like anxiety or panic or youknow, just riding that cusp of
(32:33):
feeling like you could explodeat any moment.
And then we have Valerian, whichis really good for sleep and
specifically like.
Muscle related tension can bereally helpful.
So these herbs, they sootheanxiety, they promote restful
sleep.
They help reset the nervoussystem.
This is something that can betaken because you just feel a
(32:54):
little bit stressed or anxiousin that particular moment where
you can work them into a naturalrhythm, especially lemon balm
and valerian could take everysingle day as just a part of
supporting your nervous system.
Kelly (33:06):
Yeah.
And so if any of these or all ofthese, if you're like, this is
me, I would love to get on anyor all of these the entire
protocol is linked in our shownotes for you.
Again, that's full through fullscript, which is.
Is an online dispensary, supertrustworthy.
I was just actually talking onInstagram recently about buying
supplements on Amazon and how itcan feel very convenient, but
(33:29):
the stories that come out of,even if you're buying from
direct, from like the supplier.
Because they're, you know, froman Amazon warehouse is wild.
And so there's like lawsuits andall kinds of, like, you just,
it's just not trustworthy.
And so that kind of blew my minda little bit.
So a full script is wonderfulbecause you do not have to deal
with that.
Always very trustworthy, thirdparty tested, all that good
stuff and always on sale.
(33:51):
In terms of what it would be ifyou were to find it at a regular
old store.
So.
A great option for these and forany other supplement that you
can, can you know, even thinkabout.
You'll find that there.
But then we also mentioned ourmembership a few times.
It is worth re mentioningbecause we, I mean, like I
mentioned, we both have kind ofwalked through this and so a lot
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What has been truly helpful forus individually, but also the
ways that we have treated womenfor this.
You know, over the many yearsthat we have been in practice
and we have dived really, reallydeep on a lot of both adrenal
fatigue, but also some of thoseroot cause issues.
So we're talking about adrenalhealth and there are a ton of
(34:33):
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stress management in general,hormone balancing.
But you'll find things in therelike adrenal health, right?
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So you're gonna find the thingsthat both support this issue,
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Kelly (01:09):
Welcome back to the at home with Kelly and Tiffany
podcast.
I am midwife Kelly.
Tiffany (01:14):
And I'm midwife Tiffany, and I'm important here
too.
Despite Kelly always insistingon introducing herself first.
Kelly (01:23):
I am obviously prideful and that's where we are right
now.
But today I'm actually reallyexcited to talk to chat about
this topic about adrenal fatiguein general because this is
actually personal to Tiffany andI having walked through this.
Ourselves because of seasons ofburnout and things like that
(01:45):
given work, life, school, allthe different things that we've
been through and the seasonsthat we have been friends.
And to be able to come out theother side of it and be like,
yes, there is hope, yes, thereis healing.
Here's how we can like start tosupport ourselves is actually
really enjoyable for us to beable to talk about because we
know how terrible it feels to bein that space.
Tiffany (02:08):
Yeah.
In fact, we're so wellacquainted with chronic stress
and just also treating womenwith chronic stress conditions.
They can feel really complex,but it is such a foundational
piece of holistic women'shealth.
We have created tons ofresources and content around
this topic inside of our monthlymembership.
(02:30):
So those of you who are.
Thinking through some of thesepieces and wanting a little bit
more handholding as we discussthis, that is probably the best
place for you to jump in forrelatively.
Cheap entry.
I think our membership price iscurrently 32, 30$4 a month.
Gosh, I should probably knowthat as I'm promoting it.
(02:50):
low thirties, low thirties amonth, and an excellent place
for you to go get a ton moreresources.
And education and information,but we, what we get to talk
about today is our specificprotocol for treating HPA access
dysfunction quote unquoteadrenal fatigue issues.
(03:10):
But before we jump in, Kelly, Ihave the icebreaker set today
for me through your morningroutine.
I know the listeners wanna hearwhat.
Things we do in our real life.
And so I have some routine ishicebreakers planned for some
future episodes.
So give us the morning routinebreakdown in your life.
Kelly (03:32):
So, okay, so it looks a little different depending on
the day, just because myschedule's slightly different
and there's more time and easeon certain days than not.
But the like non-negotiablepieces, right?
Are I have recently, maybe notrecently.
It's been a while.
I have plugged my phone in farfrom my bed so that it is not a
temptation to use that as mytimer or, you know, alarm to
(03:56):
wake up.
And then immediately if I'mturning it off, well then I'm
like, well, let me just checkthese other messages or, you
know, notifications.
So I leave that elsewhere.
We actually have like just a, alittle like analog clock that
has a that has a.
What am I thinking of?
An alarm set to it.
And so that's, if I need analarm, can wake up to that.
There are days where I don'thave to set one and that is
(04:18):
glorious, but generallyspeaking, I wake up around the
same time every morning and Iwill open up the blinds to get
natural light in.
Of course, there's sometimeslike things I need to tend to if
kids are already awake and veryneedy, but we're at a pretty
like easy.
Space in that where they'repretty self-sufficient.
And I will go, I like to wash myface and brush my teeth when I
(04:41):
first wake up because that likeinvigorates me and wakes me up.
So I oil cleanse with my Talibomb, brush my teeth with my
fluoride free doxy appetite, thewhatever stuff.
And then I grab my water bottleand I try to go outside.
First thing it gets the kidsoutside.
It gets me outside in morninglight looking at the, you know,
(05:02):
morning sun, all of that goodstuff and.
We try to spend a little bit oftime out there before like
breakfast is happening, before Igrab coffee, all of that, like
10 minutes or so and then orlonger, right?
And can kind of go in and outfrom there.
But then I am, you know, usuallymaking somebody breakfast,
eating that myself.
And at some point before,depending on, you know,
(05:24):
obviously days are different andneeding to get outta the house
or not more quickly, but we'reusually all reading something
together.
Maybe not, not me like readingout loud, but like the kid, the
older kids are reading theirbibles, they're, or they're
listening to like a Bible app.
I'm doing the same, my, myyoungest is like flipping
through her own story, you know,book kind of thing.
(05:46):
And you know, those are.
They can, sometimes that's likerelatively short time, but it's
something that feels importantto me to like establish as both
for myself but also establishfor my kids too as they're
growing up as like creatingtheir own rhythms as well that
are healthy and good and notwhich was my own problem screen
related.
So I took a long time to peelthat away because.
(06:08):
You know, apparently it was anaddiction or something very
similar to me.
It was a hard one to get to getout of the first be beginning
part of the day.
So that's generally speakingwhat the morning looks like.
It doesn't always exactly followthat, but that's like the,
that's the general gist of whatit looks like.
The first little bit of timewaking up over here.
Tiffany (06:30):
Oh man, I wanna come wake up at your house.
That sounds lovely.
Kelly (06:33):
It is, it's been a thing where it's had to be established
and you know, it's my, it's myown thing where I'm like, oh,
actually I kinda have to workhard at this.
I know these things are good forme.
I don't want to necessarilyalways do it.
Right.
I'm like, I wanna lay in bed andscroll on my phone for an hour.
Do I really want that?
I, no, but it feels tempting,right?
And so the consistency has beenthe thing that I've had to work
(06:56):
on for that for sure.
Tiffany (06:58):
That's sweet.
I hope listeners are encouragedby doing just one small thing.
Just picking one little smallthing like drinking water first
thing in the morning, or gettingnatural sunlight first thing in
the morning, or creating a quiettime routine first thing in the
morning.
That's awesome.
Kelly (07:15):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I mean, obviously it didn'tstart out me doing all of those
things, like me opening up myblinds to let natural light in
was a step, right?
So it didn't all happen at once.
For sure.
It was, it was, I know this isgood for me, I'm gonna try this
out.
And that's what we tell ourtell, you know, our members, our
clients, the people who consultwith us.
It's like.
(07:36):
Here's all of this information,but just do one thing, right?
And then you'll feel like, okay,yes, I got this.
This is a part of my routine.
Okay, cool.
What else can we add in?
And small steps, rather thanoverhauling everything.
Because you will, you'llprobably burn out at that point.
And now here we are talkingabout adrenal fatigue.
So you know, we try.
Tiffany (07:56):
Yeah, so let's get around to that.
I, there's a little bit that wecan share about adrenal fatigue
in general, giving people abackground, but also ladies,
there are a couple of episodesthat we have gone into more
detail around some of thesepieces.
You can find that in the shownotes.
But Kelly give people like a,like a brief introduction to
(08:18):
what the adrenal glands are.
Kelly (08:21):
Yeah, so they're actually small organs, so they're these
little guys who live on top ofboth of the kidneys and.
Even though they're little, theyactually play a huge part of
course, right?
Like nothing happens in ourbodies, in a vacuum.
Everything is interrelated.
But they're responsible for bothproducing and converting
hormones.
So, so much of the communicationthat happens in our bodies is
(08:43):
through hormones.
The adrenal glands are really,they're, they're like the
experts in catecholamines, likethe stress hormones.
So we love them because we, weactually do need those, they're
not the enemy, but they can kindof get taxed, right?
So when they're, when they'refunctioning normally, they're on
top of all kinds of reregulatory things, right?
(09:05):
The metabolism, our immunesystem, our blood pressure,
mental health stuff, response tostress, all of that.
And so when it's functioningwell.
We are like, oh yeah, we're justlike, we're living our kind of
best lives.
Right?
But when they are not and whenthey're stressed we can
absolutely feel that on a, likeall of those different levels
(09:25):
and all of a sudden you're like,well, clearly something is
wrong.
And even though, again, they're,they're tiny little organs
there, they absolutely do needour nourishment and support and
all of that because they can getstressed out just like we can,
right.
Tiffany (09:40):
Yeah,
Kelly (09:41):
Yeah.
Tiffany (09:42):
concept of adrenal fatigue is a little bit
controversial in the holistichealth space because the medical
model of care does not recognizeadrenal fatigue as an actual
diagnosis.
And so it's, it's reallydifficult sometimes for women to
identify information andeducation and resources and, and
help when there's like that,that information or that
(10:04):
knowledge controversy.
However, no matter where we landin what we're calling it.
there is a cluster of symptomsthat are very real, especially
for women under chronic stress.
And they're often associatedwith HPA access dysregulation,
so that could be a helpful termversus adrenal fatigue for women
(10:27):
to gather more information orunderstand a particular set of
symptoms.
HPA access.
Dysregulation.
HPA just stands for hypothalamicpituitary adrenal.
It is kind of like giving thisthis systemic feedback loop of
hormone stress that happensbetween your brain and your
(10:47):
adrenal glands.
And so.
Sometimes a more accurate way todescribe what is happening in
that HPA access is that it'sjust dysregulated.
It's the hypothalmic pituitaryadrenal system is dysregulated
from prolonged or chronicstress.
So your body is trying toconserve energy to protect you.
(11:09):
It's trying to, keep your, it'strying to keep things as
regulated as possible, but itends up feeling like burnout and
a lot of that, that set ofsymptoms that is absolutely
valid, completely real worthpaying attention to things that
women would, you know, kind ofstart to.
Feel in their own bodies if theyhad this type of dysregulation
(11:31):
would be persistent fatigue.
Even after recognizing thatthey're sleeping quite well.
Difficulty waking in themorning, like always having a
really difficult time getting upand getting going in the
morning.
Sugar or salt cravings.
Really persistent, really strongcravings for certain types of
food.
Brain fog.
Low motivation, poorconcentration, mood swings,
(11:54):
irritability, anxiety, low sexdrive.
These are all a part of, andhaving this, having this having
symptoms like this periodicallyor transiently, they come and
go.
Sometimes you have low sex drive'cause it's a certain time of
month for you.
Sometimes you have brain fogbecause your diet's not on
point.
Right.
But we're talking about this setof symptoms where.
(12:15):
The majority of these symptomsare present and consistent is
something to pay attention to,depending on caffeine or
stimulants every single day,just to feel like you can
function.
That has absolutely been a partof my symptom picture before,
feeling dizzy orlightheadedness.
Weight gain, that's unexplained,poor, sweet sleep quality.
(12:36):
These are all symptoms of thispotential dysregulation, but I
think the important part.
Is, if you're gonna dive intothis understanding that there
could be other root, root causesat play
Kelly (12:51):
At play and that
Tiffany (12:53):
sometimes this idea of adrenal fatigue is actually a
symptom for something else.
Kelly (12:58):
Yeah, so it can, it can, like there's can be something
else going on and your adrenalscan be responding to that,
right?
And so trying to say, yes, wecan support the adrenals, but
then also if we're notsupporting what's going on
underneath that, if there issomething else going on really
truly underneath that, then.
We are.
Even though, yes, it's good tosupport, we always wanna just
(13:19):
keep digging deeper just to makesure, right.
We are getting that foundationalpiece to make sure that
everything else that isinteracting with your system is
functioning as like, well as itcan.
Right?
And so some things to considerto look into.
If you know that this is part ofyour history or even your
current situation and you'realso experiencing these other
symptoms, that can be reallyhelpful to see.
(13:41):
Oh, actually this is really thisis this, this piece of my health
is actually really impactingthis other piece also.
We see a lot of thyroidimbalance.
Those often go hand in hand.
So something to consider.
Anemia or other kind ofnutritional deficiencies, we see
a lot of depletion involved inHPA or in adrenal fatigue.
Great.
And so nutritional deficienciesincredibly important.
(14:02):
Sleep disorders like apnea canabsolutely impact that as well,
right?
That the fact of our, the matteris like, sleep is so important
and when it is disturbed in anyway, it can definitely impact a
lot of things going on.
And apnea is actually very co,like much more common.
Probably now than it ever.
I don't know if it's we're moreaware of it or the things that
(14:23):
we're doing lifestyle wise andhealth wise and metabolically
speaking wise, all those thingscan impact that.
Mental health concerns canabsolutely play an impact like
depression, anxiety that canimpact this.
And then chronic conditions too,right?
If you're dealing withautoimmune stuff or ongoing
infections or gut imbalances.
The gut obviously were.
We keep kind of coming back tothat in so many different
(14:45):
spaces, but how important guthealth is to the functioning of
pretty much every single systemin your body and how you feel
and how.
Even how what your, thesupplements that you're taking,
how those are actually beingabsorbed and used by your body
kind of comes back to that too.
So those are all importantpieces to consider.
Depending on your other symptompictures or your history or
(15:05):
other things that you've beenlooking into for yourself, it's
a worthy thing to keep kind ofdiving a little bit deeper.
And so as you're consideringthat, you can also consider,
there is technically sometesting that you can be doing,
but I think it's, I, I mean,I'll let you kind of chat about
that, but I always think it'sreally interesting because this
is such a huge issue, but thetesting piece is always a little
(15:28):
a little wonky in terms ofactually getting answers for
people.
I think it drives people alittle crazy.
Tiffany (15:33):
Yeah, I
Kelly (15:34):
Yeah.
Tiffany (15:35):
because HPA access dysregulation is so complex, it
involves so many other systems.
It involves your endocrinesystem.
It involves you know yournervous system.
It involves other organstructures and it's dependent on
your own.
(15:55):
Objective perception, right?
Of what's happening in yourlife.
So it's not always black andwhite, although there, there is
validity in cortisol testing andhormone testing and some of
those things.
But when women, and we'vetalked, we've discussed this on
the podcast several times.
When women wanna jump straightto testing and getting that
(16:15):
information and trying to usethat information in order to go
in a certain directionoftentimes they're missing this.
Really important stabilizationpiece, which is going to be
applicable to everybody nomatter what type of symptoms
you're trying to manageholistically just in women's
health in general.
(16:36):
And so.
Inside of our membership, we'rereally, really emphasizing those
foundational pieces.
Like how do you optimize thethings that are going to make
everything, stabilize,everything, feel better,
everything come together?
How can we support the body sothat it can heal itself?
And then when you have all ofthose pieces in place, you're
(16:58):
sleeping well, your hormonesare, are, are being supported.
You have a grip on stressresponse in your body.
Your nutrition is dialed in,you're supplementing
appropriately.
You're honoring your ownmenstrual cycle and different
adjustments that need to be madeat certain times in your own,
you know, cycle every month.
Then when you have those pieces,probably some of your symptoms
(17:23):
are going to be.
Just automatically repaired andstabilized.
Then you can look a little bitmore objectively of what, what
else is, what else needs to besorted out.
Maybe then we can bring sometesting in to get some more
information.
But if we pass up thosefoundational pieces and then we
just go straight to.
treating something specific thatis difficult to diagnose in the
(17:46):
first place, then I think womenare really missing an
opportunity to something that isgonna actually help the more
root cause issues and help withlong-term health.
So, I understand the medicalmodel Western Medicine has
taught us to.
Go straight to testing, gatherdata, and then treat symptoms.
(18:07):
And sometimes it can be thatstraightforward, but oftentimes
with HP.
Access dysregulation, that's notso sometimes and for most women,
it just makes more sense to makelifestyle and nutritional
changes that support theirentire system versus chasing
down a diagnosis right away.
And we're gonna share an entiresupplement protocol that
nourishes the.
(18:27):
The adrenal glands and this HPAaccess piece for women.
But something else, some otherpieces to keep in mind,
specifically for women who arehaving this cluster of symptoms
would be getting consistent withcircadian habits.
Morning sunlight.
Kelly, you mentioned that inyour own morning routine.
Stable sleep and mealtime.
(18:47):
So going to bed at the same timeevery night, waking up at the
same time every morning, havingmeals.
Relatively at predictableintervals for your body
throughout the day.
sugar balance and mineral richmeal meals is really important.
Nervous system regulation, likebreath work, walking somatics,
paying attention to getting yournervous system dialed in and
(19:11):
then reducing your reliance onstimulants like caffeine or
whatever else might be.
A part of your arsenal forproducing energy is actually
taxing your body even more.
And yes, there's a withdrawalperiod where you're asking your
body to actually suffer quite abit when you're pulling back
(19:31):
those stimulants.
But you, but you have to inorder to give your body.
and space to heal and regulate.
So those are some reallyfoundational pieces that women
who even are not having thiscluster of symptoms absolutely
can benefit from bringing insome more of this support.
(19:52):
However.
It's, it's vital.
It's for all of us, right?
And I think that's the coolthing about holistic health is
that we can look at some ofthese recommendations and ideas,
and even if you're like, huh,I'm not even sure if I'm having
adrenal fatigue or chronicstress issues, you could still
follow all of therecommendations and resources
that we're providing in thisepisode and benefit from it.
(20:15):
I mean, that is, that's reallycool.
Kelly (20:17):
Yeah, I, I think it, we kind of we're, we're very into
making things like simple,right?
Going kind of the, let's kind ofslow down, let's see some of
these foundational pieces.
And I think a lot of what issaid in the health space is
like.
Go get this visit, go spend allthis money, go do this, involved
testing, do go through like allof these crazy rigorous
(20:40):
protocols, which can be helpfulat times, right?
There's a space for that.
But I think we kind of forget ohyeah, there are these very
simple things that if I jumpover them, they absolutely will
impact my body.
So if I just go back to some ofthose very simple pieces then I
can start to see how is my bodyactually.
(21:01):
How does it actually want tofunction?
What am I actually feeling atthis point when I am sleeping
well and, you know, nourishingmy body with the foods that it
wants?
All of that kind of stuff.
So yeah, we do always wanna justkind of slow down.
And what's great about thisprotocol that we'll share for
supplement wise is that, again,even if you are like, oh, I, I'm
not quite sure if this is.
(21:22):
Like me to a t, all of thesesymptoms and all of that.
This is a great lineup to havein your arsenal no matter what.
And so this is these are greatpieces to have.
You absolutely can just start onsome of these basic things, both
the lifestyle stuff that Tifftalked about, and then this
protocol that we'll chat aboutand then just kind of see.
Hey, in a couple months, how amI actually feeling?
(21:43):
Right?
So you can even write down nowyour symptoms, scale them one to
10, all of that good stuff, andthen start doing some of these
things, even if it is quote,just the supplement protocol,
right?
And then see how you are feelingand start just like I was saying
with the morning routine.
Start one thing at a time.
Right, that you can start toweave in and see how much of an
impact you make.
So I've mentioned the supplementprotocol.
(22:05):
It is on full script, which itis always on our account it's
always 25% off MSRP, so you willalways be getting a fantastic
deal.
And there's also recommendationsin terms of dosage and all of
that within the protocol.
And so you can hop in there andbe like, I'm gonna take.
You can take it all.
You can take some and kind offollow along with some of that,
(22:25):
depending on what you're alreadytaking and all that good stuff.
The first one, and this is onethat we recommend across the
board in this situation, wouldbe trace minerals.
So trace minerals are incrediblyimportant.
We're like mineral depleted.
In so many ways, in so manyseasons for a million different
reasons, including our soil evenis so depleted in and of itself.
(22:46):
So even foods that are normallybringing us lots of minerals are
weaker basically at this point.
And so these kind of mineralscan really fuel those adrenal
enzymes and really can kind ofcome in in that stress related
oxidative damage that happens toour cells, to our systems.
And help reduce that.
Help kind of bring somestability to that piece on top
(23:09):
of a million other things thatit can provide.
But we see even with just that,we see a lot of women who are
like, oh, I'm starting to comeback to myself because like we
mentioned, so many nutritionaldeficiencies can impact you
know, what's going on.
Tiffany (23:24):
Yeah.
And then next on the list is Bvitamins.
And you, there's a, there's alot of ways to approach B
vitamins.
I mean, you especially wannamake sure that you have B five,
B six, B12, but taking acomprehensive broad spectrum B
complex might be like the bestway to go about that for women
who just are wanna make surethat they're getting enough bees
(23:47):
and.
What B vitamins do is they aidin energy production, they help
with hormone synthesis, and thatsubsequently helps with mood
balance too.
So most, most of us couldbenefit from being on a B
complex.
Kelly (24:03):
Yeah, for sure.
The next one in there are omegathrees.
You'll see this if whenever werecommend you know, supplements
for women, we often come back toOmegas because they are so
important to many differentfunctions on how our systems
just keep rolling forward.
So it's really great forreducing inflammation, which
then allows like the gates tokind of open for your body to
(24:24):
communicate well.
It's gonna support that brainadrenal communication.
Omegas, you know that fat that'sin them.
Hormones, love to, you know,kind of soak up some of that fat
to help communicate with, youknow, different parts of our
bodies.
And so when we're providing itreally something solid like
this, it's really, we, weactually do see an impact on how
(24:45):
some of these communicationlines can open up and become
more smooth, which is a greatthing.
And then it's great atstabilizing cortisol as well,
which is an incredibly importantstress hormone, which.
I think we're we're, you know,in the, in the social media
space and all of that, peopleare saying like, cortisol is
like the enemy, right?
It's totally not.
It's actually really, reallyhelpful for us.
(25:07):
It has a purpose, right?
But the problem becomes when itjust is built up, built up,
built up and constantly kind ofbathing our bodies, then we're,
you know, we're having aproblem.
And so Omegas are really greatin helping to kind of stabilize
some of that cortisol for us.
Tiffany (25:22):
Next step is magnesium and.
know for sure that we havetalked about magnesium because
we're always talking aboutmagnesium every single place all
day long.
We're talking about magnesium.
We want women to be takingmagnesium orally every single
day.
Even if you think that you'regetting enough from your diet.
you probably need so much moreon a, on a regular basis to be
(25:44):
absolutely certain you'regetting enough oral magnesium.
And then we want women to havea, have topical magnesium as a
part of their routine too.
So utilizing a lotion or a sprayor you know, regular.
Bath soaks, that kind of thing.
Your, your skin can actuallyabsorb and bypass the digestive
system and get magnesium intoyour system a whole lot faster
(26:07):
when you, when you use ittopically.
But magnesium.
in our body actually getdepleted really quickly,
especially with stress.
And so when you have a poornight of sleep, when you have a
stressful event, if you'reexperiencing chronic stress, one
of the ways that your bodyactually nourishes those adrenal
glands and helps you cope andadapt with stress is use
(26:30):
utilizing magnesium to do that.
So when we're stressed, we burnthrough it.
We probably need even moremagnesium.
magnesium helps to calm thenervous system.
It helps to improve sleep, ithelps regulate our cortisol and
so many other things.
It's a nerve tonic for ourbodies too.
And so, magnesium, magnesium,magnesium.
Kelly (26:52):
Yeah, we mentioned gut health.
Of course, we're gonna putprobiotics on here.
If you're eating fermentedfoods, wonderful.
Probiotics are a really quick,easy way to just help
proliferate happy bacteriawithin your gut.
And it's going to just in and ofitself.
Support some of that gut brainaccess that is that
communication that's happening,right?
(27:12):
And when we are taking that andsupporting our gut system like
that, it's going just naturallyto reduce the inflammation.
And like I was saying, thatinflammation can just worsen
that stress response.
And so probiotics.
Again, is one of those everybodycan benefit from and a really
quick and easy way just to dosomething again, foundational
(27:34):
that helps support that gutsystem, which again, can impact
so much.
Tiffany (27:39):
Next step is adaptogens.
And adaptogens are basicallylike specific herbal that help
your body adapt to stress.
So it's not necessarily that itproduces a specific.
Mechanism immediately issomething that actually works
better in your body if takenover a long period of time.
(28:00):
So that's why we have women juststart immediately, get on some
kind of adaptogenic blend, andbeing able to experience the
long-term benefits of nourishingyour stress response inside of
your body.
Balancing cortisol, improvingenergy.
We love some of the herbs outthere like Ashwagandha,
(28:24):
Rhodiola, holy basil.
Those are all great places tostart for women.
We have a couple of blends torecommend on full script.
We have a really comprehensive,like full spectrum adaptogenic
blend for women.
To enjoy just boosting thatstress, resilience, and usually
(28:45):
expecting about one or twomonths for that to kind of take
hold before you start to notice.
Yes, actually I do.
I am experiencing less stress.
I am, I'm, I feel like I'm alittle bit more resilient in my
stress experience and probablyall women should just be all
women who are, out in the modernworld dealing with time
(29:09):
schedules and pressure toperform and, you know, various,
various stressors just even intheir own and household and
motherhood.
If you're in the workplace,especially if you have digital
devices, all of those areindicators that you're probably
dealing with stress on a regularbasis.
(29:30):
Having adaptogens on board is sovery helpful.
Kelly (29:34):
I think you brought up a great point too about that
consistency.
Like sometimes we wanna takesomething and be like, overnight
we're, we're noticing something.
Or by the end of the week ifI'm, then I'll keep going with
it.
A lot of this is consistency.
What is going on in your body?
Didn't happen.
That quickly.
Right?
And so we do have to beconsistent in bringing our
bodies out of that space.
So that was like a helpfulreminder.
(29:54):
Even on some of the stuff thatI'm working on, I'm like, oh,
yes, yes, yes.
It's always a good reminder.
Sometimes these things takeconsistency and time and a
willingness to, you know, justcontinue foregoing the, the, the
path that you, or continue goingon, the path that you kind of
have set before you.
The next one up arehomeopathics.
So we have in there Ceia andIgnatia.
(30:14):
So homeopathics can feel alittle intimidating if you
haven't tried them before.
The dosage is in there.
It is not hard to actually takethem.
And what's great abouthomeopathics is that they're
actually, a lot of women arevery responsive to them and they
are very affordable.
And so it's a great combo oflike, Hey, let's try this out.
(30:35):
I was speaking with a homeopathalso recently because.
A lot of women were like, well,I read online like I shouldn't
drink water, or I shouldn't havefood around this time.
Like, I just can't remember allof these rules around it.
And she was like, similar towhat I would've said, but it was
helpful to get somebody who hadlike, you know, gone to school,
got a degree in this, was like,oh, it's much.
Be like forego the rules if youneed to.
(30:56):
Just get it in your body.
And so the more that you can dothat, the better.
And so that was an encouragementand hopefully you take that as
an encouragement if you're kindof considering kinda messing
around with this.
Homeopathics can be incrediblysupportive for many different
systems.
The ones that we have in thereare really great for emotional
balance.
In particular, if you just arefeeling moody in general, even
(31:19):
if you're like, oh yeah, yeah,I'm not none of the sip in
picture, but you're stilllistening applies to me sepia.
As a woman, you should have inyour back pocket pretty
consistently.
It is wonderful, especiallyaround period, kind of emotional
issues.
And they're also really helpfulfor chronic stress recovery.
So those two together.
Are, you know, big signs in thisadrenal fatigue situation.
(31:41):
And very simple, again,affordable things that you can
start to weave into your day tohelp to help support that.
Tiffany (31:48):
Yeah.
And
Kelly (31:48):
Yeah.
Tiffany (31:49):
are calming herbs.
So we talked about adaptogenspecific herbs, and then these
are going to be like more nervvines, more nervous system
supporting more.
Regulate like immediateregulation.
And we usually recommendtinctures.
That's how you'll see it in thefull script protocol because
(32:09):
they are fast acting, they'reeasy to take.
They're usually very potent inthe, the brands that we
recommend them for.
we have lemon bong.
Which is just generally a reallygood calming aid.
We have passion flower, which isgreat for more heightened senses
of like anxiety or panic or youknow, just riding that cusp of
(32:33):
feeling like you could explodeat any moment.
And then we have Valerian, whichis really good for sleep and
specifically like.
Muscle related tension can bereally helpful.
So these herbs, they sootheanxiety, they promote restful
sleep.
They help reset the nervoussystem.
This is something that can betaken because you just feel a
(32:54):
little bit stressed or anxiousin that particular moment where
you can work them into a naturalrhythm, especially lemon balm
and valerian could take everysingle day as just a part of
supporting your nervous system.
Kelly (33:06):
Yeah.
And so if any of these or all ofthese, if you're like, this is
me, I would love to get on anyor all of these the entire
protocol is linked in our shownotes for you.
Again, that's full through fullscript, which is.
Is an online dispensary, supertrustworthy.
I was just actually talking onInstagram recently about buying
supplements on Amazon and how itcan feel very convenient, but
(33:29):
the stories that come out of,even if you're buying from
direct, from like the supplier.
Because they're, you know, froman Amazon warehouse is wild.
And so there's like lawsuits andall kinds of, like, you just,
it's just not trustworthy.
And so that kind of blew my minda little bit.
So a full script is wonderfulbecause you do not have to deal
with that.
Always very trustworthy, thirdparty tested, all that good
stuff and always on sale.
(33:51):
In terms of what it would be ifyou were to find it at a regular
old store.
So.
A great option for these and forany other supplement that you
can, can you know, even thinkabout.
You'll find that there.
But then we also mentioned ourmembership a few times.
It is worth re mentioningbecause we, I mean, like I
mentioned, we both have kind ofwalked through this and so a lot
(34:12):
of the things that we haveshared have been.
What has been truly helpful forus individually, but also the
ways that we have treated womenfor this.
You know, over the many yearsthat we have been in practice
and we have dived really, reallydeep on a lot of both adrenal
fatigue, but also some of thoseroot cause issues.
So we're talking about adrenalhealth and there are a ton of
(34:33):
resources, but also metabolichealth and thyroid health, sleep
stress management in general,hormone balancing.
But you'll find things in therelike adrenal health, right?
Metabolic health, thyroidhealth, good quality, sleep
support stress management,hormone balancing.
So you're gonna find the thingsthat both support this issue,
(34:53):
but also again, root cause, youknow foundational pieces that
will support your body.
Holistically and completely andfor 34 bucks a month to jump in
to get access to all of that.
And then even if you were like,okay, well I got what I needed
and now I'm gonna jump out,perfectly acceptable.
That is what it is there for.
But you also get access toconsultations as well if you are
(35:14):
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feedback and handholding.
We are here for that also.
So all of that information youwill find in our.
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