September 8, 2025 • 53 mins
Straight from the FAQ arsenal, we're chatting ALL about liver health and detox support during preconception, pregnancy, and postpartum. If you've ever wondered, "Is this safe..." you're in the right place! Learn about supporting your liver, our specific supplement protocol, and practical tips to keep your body thriving in these important seasons.
00:00 Introduction to Kelly and Tiffany's Podcast
01:09 Today's Topic: Detox Protocols for Women
02:32 Icebreaker: Imagining Our Elderly Selves
11:09 Understanding Detox: Phases and Processes
17:38 Detox Considerations for Preconception, Pregnancy, and Postpartum
23:17 Practical Detox Tips and Listener Questions
27:31 The Importance of Sleep Postpartum
28:41 Safety Concerns with Breastfeeding and Detoxing
32:46 Dry Brushing: A Simple and Effective Detox Method
36:03 Can You Overdo Detox?
36:59 Top Three Detox Priorities
40:41 Epsom Salt vs. Magnesium Flakes
42:27 Essential Supplements for Detox Support
50:59 Conclusion and Additional Resources
Links We Chat About:
Our Liver Detox Fullscript Protocol
Liver Health in Pregnancy Guide
Ep 101 Detox for Hormone Imbalance
Ep 129 Detox for Estrogen Imbalance
Ep 154 Detox with Lymphatic Drainage: Dry Brushing
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Kelly (01:09):
Welcome back to at home with Kelly and Tiffany.
I'm Kelly.
Tiffany (01:13):
And I'm Tiffany, and today we are in.
For such a treat, talking aboutdetox protocols for all the
stages of womanhood, really.
But we specifically labeled itfor preconception, pregnancy and
postpartum because those are thephases of life that are least
understood.
There's the most amount ofconfusion out there about detox
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information, and so yes, you canapply this information to all of
your lady life, but we're gonnago into.
How to do it for these specificseasons that, you know, the
general consensus is don't detoxor it's dangerous.
We're gonna talk about how to doit.
Kelly (01:54):
Yeah, and I'm excited because this is probably one of
the, the things that we get mostquestioned about because detox
rhythms in our lives, like youand I, TIFF are like, we talk
about them a lot, especially onInstagram and things like that,
and people are like, Ooh.
Is this pregnancy safe?
What about post?
What about when I'm nursing?
Can I do that?
What about getting in, like, isit okay to dry brush or, you
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know, even some of the moregentle things.
And so this hopefully will serveas a good place to kind of get a
foundation in what what reallywe mean by detox and some of the
things that you can start addinginto your life or potentially
taking out things like that inthis particular season.
Tiffany (02:31):
Yep.
And before we dive in, Kelly,our icebreaker question this
morning, this one's a little outthere, so.
I don't know what you're gonnado with it.
I'm actually really excited.
I was ins, I was inspired bybeing around people that are
like older, elderly, I would sayrecently.
(02:52):
You know, like my mom, one ofour, actually all of our
neighbors, we moved into a, aneighborhood.
With people who have been heresince I don't know, 1482.
And so I'm talking to lots ofpeople recently and just
observing their life and stuff,and I just think, what are we
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gonna be like when we're old?
And my question for you, I like,just don't know.
I have no idea what we're gonnabe like when we're old.
There's no way that we can belike the, the old people that
are around us.
Kelly (03:25):
Nope.
No way.
Tiffany (03:27):
It's like that.
No, there's no way.
But I don't know what it's gonnalook like.
It's so, it's so, so obscure tome.
Okay.
So my question for you is, canyou imagine, or as I force you
to imagine in this moment as youget older, like let's talk about
like 70 plus years old.
Can you imagine giving up thingsthat you do for your health now,
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or that you, or that people justsay in general, are good for
you?
Can you imagine giving that upas you get older because you're
like, well, the whole point wasto get to this age, and that's
why I was avoiding doing thesethings.
And now that I'm old, I'm notgonna waste time doing fill in
the blank.
I don't know.
Kelly (04:12):
Yeah, it's really hard because I feel like the things
that I've woven into my health,like rhythms would be really
helpful to continue.
At that age and beyond, right?
So I'm like, no, that actuallywould be a great, like, that
would be a really helpful thingfor an older person to continue
doing.
But what I have noticed is evenin my own, I'm not elderly by
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any means, but even as I'vegotten older, my, like, my care
for certain things decreases,right?
Where I'm like, okay, so rightnow it's like other people's
opinions.
I'm like, okay.
That is not as important to meas it was when I was in my
twenties.
Right.
Like, or I don't, I don'tstruggle with that the way I did
when I was younger.
And so then I'm like, okay, sowhat might fall off my plate
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that I'm like, nah, that's justlike too hard.
I don't really care anymore.
And it's really hard for me tolike grasp something.
But what I could potentiallywrap my mind around, even though
I will say I do think it wouldbe a healthy thing to continue
till the day that I died wouldprobably be like seeking out.
Heat and cold for like, youknow, detox purposes.
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I could see being like, I don'twanna get in the sauna.
I'm already dealing with my ownhot flashes.
Or like, or I just, that justlike is too much work.
I could for sure see the coldplunge piece be like, heck no,
my.
My, I don't wanna, I don't wannaput myself through that kind of
discomfort and I've earned theright to not do that anymore.
So I have a feeling it'sprobably gonna be one of those,
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although I cannot imagine orwrap my brain around a day when
I don't want it.
again, this one's like reallyhard for me.
The other thing that I'm kind ofpiecing together too, is
obviously I'm not gonna have aperiod at that point.
So I'm trying to think of thingsaround my period that I'm like,
oh, that's a rhythm that isimportant to me because of my
own body's rhythm, and that'sgonna look really different.
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But even then I'm like, well,all the things that I do for
that, I'm just gentle andsupportive of health in general.
So.
I wish I had like a betteranswer for this one, but that is
like where sort of I'm, I'm at,because I think the things that
I have in my rhythm now would bereally helpful 10, 20, 30 years
from now, and I just can'timagine letting it go.
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But again, I think that likeheat cold peace, I could
envision being like, gosh,that's so extreme, and I don't
wanna do that anymore.
I don't wanna do the extremestuff.
I just wanna do the gentlestuff.
So I, I could see that being mylike vision.
Tiffany (06:41):
Yeah, I'm thinking like as we get older, we're kind of
like, we're letting go.
We're slowing down, we'resoftening in lots of areas
we're.
We're probably a lot more chilland calm about everything, so
maybe it won't feel so urgent tobe working on these things that
we do now.
And then, like you said, wewon't have, we won't have cycles
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anymore and so that, or we won'thave those types of monthly
cycles.
We'll still have life cycles andrhythms and stuff.
But what an interesting.
Concept, you know, and the, andthen it informs us too, because
I mean, I am living for that.
I'm living for Grandma Tiffany.
Like even as we consider our ownkids, like getting older and
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moving outta the house in thenext few years, I'm like, I've
shifted my focus to Mommy Tiff,which of course I'm still, I'm
always gonna be a mom, but I'mstarting to think like, oh my
gosh, I might have grandchildrenin the next 10 years.
What kind of grandparent do Iwanna be?
And.
My 15-year-old was like, you'renot gonna be a very good grandma
'cause you don't play with thelittle kids that are around us.
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And I'm like, you know what?
I have other, I have otherskills and things to develop
here and my and my grandmarhythms.
But what I, my mom sent me thisarticle about how HPV is on the
rise in the elderly populationand our screening protocols
currently reflect,
Kelly (08:08):
we
Tiffany (08:08):
That we don't do any screening for low risk women
after the age of 65 because thetypes of HPV that cause cervical
cancer and then how long ittakes cervical cancer to
develop, you know, over 15 or 20years sometimes that by the time
you would catch it after 65.
I don't know if this is therationale, but I'm pretty sure
it is, that you're just goingto, it's, it's unlikely that
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you're gonna get it, but then ifyou do.
Is it worth, worth catching?
I dunno.
It's so crazy.
But the reason that h HPV is onthe rise is and, and other
venereal diseases in the elderlyis the, the sexual relations
that are happening inside ofthese, retirement homes and how
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like that is much more prevalentthan it ever was.
Or maybe there's just so manybaby boomers coming into this
season of life or something.
Anyway, so I ended up in thisconversation with my mom about
like, you know.
How, how long do you screen?
How is this gonna change and arewe going to need to be like,
trying to do how just, you know,it blew my mind.
(09:16):
But then I started thinkingabout other things of, you know,
as you get older and so is thata part of it?
Is that where the promiscuitycomes in?
The elderly population becausethey're like, forget it.
What am I, I'm willing to domore riskier things because.
Kelly (09:33):
yeah, like,
Tiffany (09:33):
I spent my whole life tr trying to be good.
I dunno.
Kelly (09:37):
Yeah.
That is a fascinating one towrap your mind around.
I watched this show about thisit's a Ted Danson show of like,
he goes undercover as like aprivate investigator.
In a, like an nursing home And Idon't think I even watched the
whole thing, but I was crackingup by all of these like
relationships that werehappening and the women who were
just like throwing themselves athim.
(09:58):
I saw an interview with him andhe was talking about like, no,
we like did a lot of researchand this is like a thing and.
I think there's this issidetracking, but it's so
interesting because I think weassume as women, we lose a lot
of that as we get older.
Like we, oh, like we're in ourprime right now.
Right?
And so then we look ahead andwe're like, I don't wanna think
ahead to that.
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And not saying that this, thesebehaviors are a correct or
whatever, but the fact thatwomen as they are aging.
Are able to have such a vibrantsex life if they, you know, so
choose.
That's like kind of encouragingto me in my own marriage to be
like, oh, potentially there'ssome great things awaiting that
I can be excited about.
You know, with just a differentlevel of, or lack of
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responsibility at home, kidsoutta the house and things like
that.
Like maybe just things lookreally different.
So, don't know.
It's fascinating.
Tiffany (10:49):
It is, it's got me.
I have more thoughts about thisand we just do not have time
this morning, but maybe we'll doa whole, a whole episode of
Grandma Tiffany and GrandmaKelly, and we'll just talk about
our future
Kelly (11:04):
I like
Tiffany (11:04):
elderly raunchy selves.
Kelly (11:08):
I like it.
I'm here
Tiffany (11:09):
Hmm.
Okay, so let's, let's jump intodetox.
I wanna give an overview of.
What actually is happening inyour body when you're detoxing?
And you mentioned Kelly, thatthese are some foundational
pieces.
We have created so much contentaround the concept of detox,
especially detox for hormonalissues and hormonal imbalances.
(11:33):
Even just as I was writing outthis episode, I thought of at
least half a dozen other.
Episodes and resources for womento check out.
So I wanna, I wanna provide anoverview for the context of this
episode, but we are not gonna gointo detail on all of these
things because there's are,there's so much and there's,
there's other places for youladies to get that information.
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So.
Just saying that as adisclaimer.
As we jump in, I'll share phasesof detox and then Kelly, why
don't you go into after that,like the safety of these
different phases and what womenshould be thinking about in
these different phases ofwomanhood.
Womanhood and motherhood and howto go about safe detox.
Kelly (12:15):
Perfect.
Tiffany (12:15):
So detox typically occurs in three main phases, and
they primarily involve theliver.
So a lot of times when we'retalking about detox support,
we're also talking about liversupport, liver nourishment but
it is supported by other organs.
Your body is just a detoxmachine, and I cannot emphasize
that enough to those of you whoare listening.
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Your body is just.
Constantly metabolizing andtrying to get rid of toxins that
are in your body.
There's other organs that areinvolved in this, like the gut,
the kidneys your skin, yourlymphatic system.
And it starts with phase one.
There's three phases.
Phase one is activation and thatis when your body converts
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toxins, no matter where theyhave come from, right?
Like your environment, yourfood,
Kelly (13:02):
and
Tiffany (13:03):
And it uses liver enzymes to convert these toxins
and then gets them prepared forphase two.
And so it's really importantthat you have a nourished liver
that can produce these enzymeswell.
And that you can reduce yourtoxic burden overall so that
there's less to detox.
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I think that that is a detoxhack that we often skip right
over because we go straight to.
Herbs and supplements and,sweating and all of those detox
pathways, that's important andthat is absolutely vital and
essential.
But this very first phase ofactivation, your body, being
able to transform the toxins inyour body to something that can
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actually be removed.
We need to nourish the liver.
We need to reduce toxic burden,and we do that by eating lots of
protein.
Every single day, a hundredgrams is our target.
Or more lots of animal productsbecause pastured raw, grass fed
organic animal products that weeat are really, have, have tons
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of nutrients that nourishdeliver.
And then
Kelly (14:15):
then.
Tiffany (14:16):
Cru.
Vegetables like broccoli andkale and bok choy and
cauliflower and all that.
Getting those into your dietregularly are super important.
So this is the foundationalpiece.
This is how your body firststarts to process toxins, and
then phase two is calledconjugation, and that is your
body neutralizing those toxinsfor elimination.
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So.
The liver adds molecules likeglutathione.
We're getting more familiar withthat term in that process as
we're supporting that sulfuramino acids.
And that's how your bodyactually is able to convert for
elimination.
So that's another big task ofyour liver.
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And we need nutrients likevitamin B, magnesium, amino
acids, antioxidants.
Those are things we can getfrom.
Our food.
Those are things that we can getfrom supplements, and we're
gonna go into our whole entiresupplement protocol for you
ladies towards the end of thisepisode too, because even though
it's a whole lifestyle of detox,there really are really specific
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ways that you can support yourbody in doing that.
And then phase three iselimination.
So.
We have these toxins mobilized.
We have these toxins converted.
We have them neutralized so thattheir, your body is able to
actually process them.
And then this is where we getinto those detox pathways.
Being able to remove theelimination of those toxins
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through those pathways ofdrainage like bile that secretes
into your digestive system thathelps you poop out toxins.
That's your.
Kelly (15:49):
your
Tiffany (15:50):
Biggest detox organ urine your kidneys, help you
expel toxins when you pee everytime, sweat lymphatic drainage.
All of these systems are animportant part of being able to
actually move those toxins out.
So.
Kelly (16:03):
out so
Tiffany (16:04):
People who get sick during a detox process do not
have enough of these drainagepathways open.
So if you've ever done anextreme diet, extreme shift,
extreme cleanse, anything likethat, and you have gotten sick,
it is the wrong way to approachit.
You need to have these detoxpathways open and you need to
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be, working on keeping them openwhen you are specifically
detoxing things.
So that's really important.
In order to support thiselimination, we need to be
hydrated.
We need good fiber in our diet.
We need to be sweatingregularly.
We need bowel movements everysingle day.
And so the, these are the layersof how to support these specific
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places in these three phases ofdetox.
Kelly (16:49):
Yeah, and I, I think it's so helpful to remember,'cause
when we talk about detox, when Ifirst learned about detox like
many years ago, it was in thecontext of like big detox, like
juice cleanses or you know,whatever.
But this is something that yourbody, like you were mentioning
already does.
It is a good, it is a gooddesign to help get us like clear
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cleared out of some of thesetoxins.
I mean, even hormones inoverload can be a toxin in our
body, right?
And so this is good to work itthrough.
And what we are trying to dohere is help our bodies do what
it was designed to do.
Right.
And sometimes it just needs alittle bit more help.
Sometimes it feels good to giveit a little bit more help.
Sometimes you have signs thatyour body is saying, Hey, I need
a little bit more help.
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And so it's, it's a helpfulthing just to kind of consider.
It from that lens of like, howcan we support our bodies,
right?
In doing what it's designed todo?
And as we go into these seasonsthat we're talking about,
particularly preconception,pregnancy, postpartum, there are
specific considerations, right?
About, okay, how much is toomuch?
What is safe, what is not safe?
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So I'll touch on some of thesethings and then again, in our
show notes.
And at the end of the episode,I'm sure we'll share about some
of the places that you can finda bit more pointed information
too.
But if you were in the stagewhere you're like, okay, I want
to get pregnant, great.
This is a wonderful time to helpsupport your detox system,
support your liver inparticular.
You have a great opportunity tobe working on those things and
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really all is kind of free gameat this point while you are
working on it.
If there was one thing that Iwould recommend to women in that
preconception time, it is towork on your liver health
because of the massive impactthat it can have.
On the health of your pregnancy,on the out, some of the outcomes
that can be related to that aswell as into postpartum.
So absolutely it is free game.
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If you are actively trying toconceive or say you're like,
Ooh, this is the monthhopefully, and I ovulate a few
days ago.
I wonder if I'm pregnant.
We will need to kind of.
Consider at that point what youknow, what exactly you are
engaging in.
And we'll talk about pregnancyin particular, about things that
are helpful and not helpful.
But ideally, if you arethinking, I wanna get pregnant
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in the next year, absolutely.
Enjoy all of the things for now.
Especially if you're about threemonths.
About to, you know, try toconceive.
It's a great time if you arejust considering all of the
things that you can be doing toreally focus on some of these
detox pathways for your bodythat we'll talk about.
And then in pregnancy inparticular.
The safest things that werecommend, you are not going to
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be like, oh wow, that's so youknow out of this world or
revolutionary or whatever.
It's because it's simple andsupportive because again, your
body is doing good work alreadyas a detox machine.
But now we're adding a baby ontop of that, right?
And so we don't wanna overloadit.
We also don't wanna make thesetoxins potentially get stuck
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anywhere in your body as well aswe are trying to draw them out
and move them out.
So things like pooping, right?
We are, I mean, one just foryour comfort and all of that,
but we are so big on poopingevery day, whether you're
pregnant or not.
But it's a huge way, like youmentioned Tiff, to get some of
these things.
Out of your body.
The easiest, the quickest, thebiggest way that we can do that
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is to have regular bowelmovement.
So if you're not having thatgreat thing to start focusing
on, right?
You absolutely can be sweatingin pregnancy.
It is not harmful to, you know,you or your baby to get a sweat
on.
Now, if you're going into.
Something like a sauna or asteam room that's on the no
list.
Generally speaking, although Iwas reading this really
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fascinating article from one oflike the Nordic countries of
course,'cause they're like sointo sauna about women doing,
you know, sauna stuff overthere.
they kept saying like how greatit was and all these like,
wonderful outcomes, whatever, loand behold the temperature was
set at, you know, like 98 orsomething, right?
So much, much lower than itnormally would be.
So if that is something thatyou're like, oh, I really want
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that.
You know, dial it, dial it waydown and enjoy that.
But sweat is a great way to getsome of these toxins out of our
bodies.
Drinking electrolytes andputting lemon in your water,
lemon in your water, especiallyfirst thing in the morning on an
empty stomach.
Great way to kind of activatethe liver, activate those
enzymes to say like, okay, wakeup.
You have a job to do today.
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I am helping you out with that.
So it's a great, easy way tohelp support your liver during
pregnancy.
Dry brushing is another one.
So I only began dry brushing,like, I don't know, a couple
years ago and it was, it feltoh, I don't know if it was like
intimidating or something beforedoing it.
'cause I'm like, Ooh, thatsounds so like.
Other, like, I've never donethat before.
I don't really know exactly whatto do.
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And then once you learn, whichwe will talk about in a little
bit you're like, oh yeah, no,that's very straightforward.
It's a great way to activateyour lymph system and move some
of these things around.
Same thing with lymphaticmassage.
We'll put some supportive piecesin there for you on how to do
these things.
But this is a great way, again,your lymphatic system controls
so much.
So being able to wake it up,move it around.
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And help, you know get thatmovement out of that stagnant
kind of space that it cansometimes be in, which then
leads to feelings of discomfortand headaches and all kinds of
stuff.
It can be really, reallyhelpful.
That is absolutely safe toeither continue to do or to
start to do in pregnancy aswell.
and then obviously the focus onliver healthy detox, healthy
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nutrition.
There are herbs that can besupportive.
Dandelion in particular is awonderful one to help support
your liver and supplements aswell.
Right.
So focusing on some of thosepieces, and again, we'll, we'll
talk a little bit more detail onsome of them will be incredibly
helpful.
You do not want to overlook howimportant sleep is though to
this entire process, andespecially during pregnancy when
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sometimes sleep can feel alittle hard to come by or just a
little different, I suppose.
Focusing on a really good sleephygiene, really good sleep
rhythms to help your body calm,reset, and do the work that it
needs to do while you aresleeping.
There's so much good stuff thatit does while you are sleeping
that you need to be sleeping forit to be doing right, doing
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well, and so do not, don't sleepon that.
I mentioned not getting into thesauna, the steam room kind of
thing.
We you know, in differentseasons of life, you may hear
about like castor oil packs.
We do not recommend those inpregnancy.
We do not recommend you know,detoxes that are specific to
like fasting or juice cleansesduring pregnancy.
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You probably would assume thosethings, but we also do get a lot
of questions about like, Hey, Iheard about this.
Can I try this?
And I'm like, I'm not gonna tellyou what to do, but this is our
like, clinical recommendation interms of like a healthy
pregnancy, taking care ofyourself and then postpartum,
you know, a lot of people arewondering, and it's mostly
around breast milk, which wewill talk about in a sec.
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But you can absolutely continueand you probably will feel
really good to move some ofthese things around in your body
postpartum.
Because it is a bit moresedentary time, right?
And it might just feel reallygood to start in you know,
utilizing some of these pieces.
You can do all of that gentlethings that are above right,
like the lemon in your water anddry brushing and you know,
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making sure you're pooping everyday, all of that good stuff to
help your liver.
But then you can start beinglike, Ooh, you know, it sounds
kind of nice, Asana.
I'm just gonna try it.
I'm gonna slowly go in, youknow, like make my my little
baby steps towards that, right?
You can start trying castor oilpacks to, you know, start moving
some of those things around.
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So it's a time where.
You absolutely can do, continueall the same gentle things and
then you can start saying, Ooh,I can uplevel just a little bit.
And then continue to kind oftake baby steps forward in those
things.
We still do not recommendfasting.
We still do not recommend juicecleanses.
In this season, if you start,say you're like, Ooh, now I'm
gonna start doing asana and acastor oil pack and like
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lymphatic massage and drybrushing, and you're like, okay,
these are all supposed to bereally good things, right?
Wonderful.
But then you may on this likekind of flip side, start feeling
some symptoms, which would be areally good trigger for you to
remember like, Hey, I might beoverdoing it right now.
It might not be the season to doall five of these things.
Let me like maybe take one offmy plate and see how I feel
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after this.
But things like fatigue and notjust like, oh, I'm tired'cause
my baby woke up, or, you know,but just like that bone, you
know, bone tired kind offeeling, headaches,
irritability, where you justfeel.
Agitated and kind of like yournervous system is, you know all
up in arms skin breakouts,rashes, constipation, or on the
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other side, like very loosestools, brain fog, anxiety,
nausea, like if any of those areshowing up for you, I would put
a pause.
On all of this extra stuff andjust pare it down to very
simple.
Focus on nourishment, focus onsupplementation, and see how
you're feeling after thatbecause.
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It's already, it's a depletingtime, right?
It just naturally is.
And sometimes in our excitementto like move forward with
something new, we can overdo itand potentially, you know, bring
ourselves to a place where we'relike, oh man.
Yep.
I feel like I've lost all of myminerals through sweating and
pooping and, you know, doing allof these things.
And so just an encouragement anda reminder that like, this is
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the time if you want to.
So into this idea to take somebaby steps and really be
comfortable listening to yourbody.
Tiffany (26:11):
And we were talking about this recently on
Instagram.
If you guys have an Instagramaccount, go follow us there
because we do so much in betweenepisode information there and
it's just a chance for us tokind of like interact a little
bit more with our audience, but.
We were sharing a little bit onthis, and because there's so
much confusion about it,especially like for postpartum
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time, I think women are like, Ithink they feel clear about
being really cautious andcareful in pregnancy, but then
postpartum comes around andthey're like, well, wait a
minute.
What can I do?
What am I allowed to do?
What's safe to do?
So we asked women to.
Submit their questions, thingsthat they were curious about,
and we compiled a couple of themhere just to give like the most
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common questions that we got, wecan do some answering of on this
episode to just provide contextand information.
'cause it's one thing for us toget on here and be like.
This is how you od talks, here'show to do it safely.
But then people are like, that'sreally interesting.
Here's my real life.
I wanna, how does this actuallywork in real life?
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Which in this question segmentwe, I, I was talking about sleep
and how important that is.
And one, one person was like, Iseriously do not understand.
Why people feel like they needto remind us to sleep
postpartum.
Like that is the craziestrecommendation.
(27:35):
And I was like, lady, pleasecalm down because it is so
important.
It's so important.
That's why we keep talking aboutit.
And I know that there's like.
There's a mixed response tosleep when the baby sleeps.
There's a mix, you know, butthe, the overarching concept for
that, I'm gonna do a wholeepisode about this, actually.
(27:55):
I'm gonna pause what I'm sayingright now.
I'm gonna do a whole episodeabout sleeping postpartum and,
and how to take that informationwith a grain of salt and enjoy
somebody reminding you that it'sreally important to sleep
instead of.
Taking it as a direct assault onyour soul.
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Okay, Kelly, so I'm gonna ask,I'm gonna ask the question and
you're gonna give the answer.
Are you prepared for thatmidwife, Kelly?
Kelly (28:26):
I am.
I was born prepared.
Tiffany (28:28):
Okay, we'll try to go get through this quickly so we
still have time to talk aboutour supplement protocol, which
is the basis of this episode.
We'll cover it in the last threeminutes or so.
Okay.
Question number one.
This came up the most oftenabout safety with breastfeeding.
Do toxins come out in breastmilk?
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How aware of that, how carefulof that do we need to be when
we're detoxing in pregnancy?
Kelly (28:54):
Yeah,
Tiffany (28:55):
I mean, sorry, postpartum.
Kelly (28:57):
Yes.
Tiffany (28:57):
Yeah.
Kelly (28:58):
yes.
The answer is yes, it can.
Right?
Some toxins can pass into breastmilk.
It's been shown some heavymetals, some pesticides, some
medications can pass into breastmilk, but the benefits of
breastfeeding almost alwaysoutweigh those risks and the
amounts that it is coming outin.
But if we are, especially inthis season, if you're really
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focusing on minimizing yourexposure too.
Heavy metals to pesticides, tocertain medications, right?
Rather than like an extremedetox because of that that's,
that's the general idea in this,especially the earlier parts of
postpartum where your baby isonly drinking your milk,
postpartum can be a very wide,amount of time.
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But the idea is, again, ifyou're able to focus a lot more
on minimizing your exposure,then being like, I'm gonna go
hard at all of the detox thingsnow you're probably gonna be in
a better, more comfortable statefor yourself if you're desiring
to add some of those things.
And like I mentioned, startingslow,?
Starting your sauna, startingsome herbs, starting binders.
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Just do so gradually and thenavoid at this point.
Doing right.
10 of them every day, or likestacking too many of them.
I love in my own life, the nonbreastfeeding, not having babies
anymore life where I can belike, I can stack 10 of these
and really, you know, like, getthe bang for my buck during this
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time.
That's not, it's just not theseason.
And that is okay in thatpostpartum, breastfeeding, you
know, season.
And then if you are going toconsider something to start in
postpartum.
Prioritizing the drainage ofsome of this is going to be
really important.
So supporting your liver,supporting your kidneys, your
bowels, your lymphatic systembefore mobilizing some of those
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toxins will be really helpful.
So being able to say, am Ipooping every day?
Am I gently supporting my liver?
What does my lymphatic movementlook like?
Can I move some of that around?
How is, you know, all of thosethings, questioning to be able
to say, okay, I've mobilizedthem, or I've, I've supported
this system before.
Mobilizing some of those toxins.
I think you're gonna be in amuch better state.
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And again, not as like concernedor questioning some of those
things.
We mentioned pooping.
Also, if you're not pooping oneto ti one to two-ish times a day
as a postpartum woman that iswhat I would, recommend diving
hard in before you're like, oh,and now I wanna try sauna and I
wanna try all these things.
Not that those things are bad,but sometimes we jump up 10
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levels before we get some ofthose foundational pieces going.
So, that would be my answer,although I went kind of
tangentially off of yourquestion, but there you go.
Tiffany (31:39):
It was extra information.
And no one listening is gonna becomplaining about extra
information, I'm sure.
Kelly (31:44):
great.
Tiffany (31:45):
I think like the perspective here is that our
bodies are already detoxing allthe time.
Maybe not detoxing efficiently,maybe they're doing it kind of
poorly.
Maybe there's a lot ofcongestion there that they need
that it needs lots of support.
But your breast milk is made outof what is circulating in your
blood.
So the more, the faster that youcan support your body in pulling
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those toxins out of yourbloodstream the better and ha
and being and having some ofthese important rhythms for, for
getting that elimination processgoing is gonna protect your
breast milk.
And so.
I think, I think women need tokeep that in mind.
Just because you start tosupport detox doesn't mean
necessarily that you're, thatyou're pulling toxins out of
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your, out of your storage andtissues.
That would be like a wholedifferent protocol and a a
little bit more on the extremeside of detox.
So just supporting what yourbody is already doing is only
going to be a benefit to your.
Body and your breast milk.
The next really common questionthat we got, which kind of wa
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was actually really surprisingto me because in my mind this is
like.
Common knowledge.
And here's the, here's the funnything about my perspective and
the place where I'm at and the,the 60,000 people who follow us
on Instagram.
People do not know how to drybrush.
(33:11):
They don't know where to learn,how to dry brush.
They don't know where to get adry brush.
And so, Kelly, can you give likea very quick overview?
Kelly (33:20):
Yeah, and I, I even mentioned like, it sounded kind
somewhat intimidating to mebecause I remember Gwyneth
Paltrow talking about it yearsago, and I was like, well,
that's something that like fancyrich people do, right?
It could not be further from thetruth because it's cheap, it's
easy, it's quick, it's sosimple.
But sometimes it is, it'ssimilar to like starting herbal
infusions for me, where I waslike, Ooh, gosh, herbs, that
sounds so intimidating, butreally I'm like, oh, I just put
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some hot water on these.
Great, sign me up.
But it is really simple.
You're gonna use a naturalbristle brush.
A lot of them come from likepig, apparently, like bore
skin,.
And then you're, you take one ofthose natural bristle brushes,
you can literally look onAmazon.
There's lots of differentoptions out there.
And you're gonna move in strokestowards your heart.
(34:04):
There's different people whosay, starting in different
places, right?
Most people will recommendstarting in your hands and your
feet and you're basically justworking your way around your
body with strokes towards yourheart, You can mix this in with
lymphatic massage as well tocontinue to move things around,
but that is part of kinda whatit is intended to stimulate.
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You can do it on your dry skin.
I do mine before showering.
That's like the easiest.,Stacking thing in my head a
couple times a week, two orthree times a week, and so I'll
keep this short.
We will have resources in theshow notes for you if you're
like, Ooh, I like thissimplicity.
I like something that's going tobe impactful and feel good and
have, you know, good outcomesfor me.
That is cheap and easy.
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Show notes is where you willfind that.
Tiffany (34:48):
Yo and my, I've had the same dry brush forever.
I bought it for like 4 95 onAmazon and it doesn't have the
handle on it anymore.
Some of the bristles are bent.
I just used the other side ofit.
My dog chewed on part of it'cause it's wood and I left it
on the floor once and it's justgoing strong.
It doesn't have to be cute orpretty.
It just needs to provide a lighttouch movement to get some of
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that fluid.
Moving and mobilized throughoutyour lymph system, and it's one
of the easiest ways to do that.
When I broke my foot againearlier, or I guess it's, I
guess it was late last year, myother foot, when I broke my
other foot we were on, we were,it was the day before we left
for vacation, so Wonderful.
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So I was spending a lot of timeon vacation with my foot
elevated and my sweet mom wouldcome and do really light touch
massage on it, and it wouldinstantly improve the swelling
and.
It was amazing to see howquickly the fluid could move,
you know, through your body withthe very light touch.
(35:52):
So that's kind of what the,that's kind of what the dry
brush does is we're not draggingit on our skin.
It's not to exfoliate our skin.
It's just to kind of likescratch or tickle.
Okay.
Next question, and we touched onthis a little bit, but this was
asked a lot.
Can you overdo detox.
Kelly (36:10):
Yes, you absolutely can.
So too much detox is gonnarelease more toxins than your
body can actually eliminate,right?
So it's gonna create all ofthis.
But then that next step ofgetting it out is that part can
become a bit more stagnant.
So that can lead to, like Imentioned, some of those
symptoms, fatigue, headaches.
Skin,, flareups with rashes andthings like that.
(36:31):
So if you are starting to dosome of those things, always
supporting your hydration, yourmineral intake, your rest, your
bowel regularity alongside ofthose will be probably the most
important thing that you can do.
Especially if this is a concernor something that you have
potentially experienced beforetrying other detox things and
you realize, Ooh, I don't feelgood when I do that.
(36:53):
Well, let's.
about a step back and considerwhy that might be.
Tiffany (36:58):
Yeah, absolutely.
Okay.
And then somebody asked us toprioritize the.
Three most important things, andI appreciate when women ask
this, and we kind of likefollowed along that a couple
episodes ago when we were sayinglike, the three most important
things to prioritize inpregnancy because we have this
tendency in the holistic worldto like throw all these things
out.
Oh look, here's the 742 thingsyou can do for detox.
(37:21):
And so I, I really appreciate,oh, someone saying.
Okay, but I can't do that many.
Give me, give me the three tofocus on three is a really
reasonable number.
So what would you say those are,Kelly?
If women are gonna prioritizethree things to support detox,
where would they start?
Kelly (37:39):
Yeah, it's funny'cause it's not anything that you need
to buy specifically or to eat,right?
It's like we always come back tosome of these foundations,
right?
So hydration, drinking yourwater, that's gonna flush waste,
that's gonna support yourkidneys, it's gonna support your
lymphatic system.
Focusing on really qualitywater, hydration, you can even
put minerals in that and all ofthat good stuff.
(38:01):
But getting enough fluidthroughout your day.
N number one, to help supportwith this in particular, but
also just in general too.
And then we've mentioned itmultiple times, getting fiber in
your, diet because of howimportant bowel movements are.
So fiber also working inmagnesium, things like that that
can help espec, I mean,especially certainly in
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pregnancy, when things sometimescan feel a little more backed up
but will absolutely help clearthe toxins from your gut.
So focusing on hydration, whichthen also, right, like helps
support bowel movements as well.
So those would be the first two.
And then the third kind of goesalong with that if we're talking
about fiber, but just reallygood nutrient dense food.
Considering what you are eating,fueling your liver pathways
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through the foods that you areeating, lots of good protein,
greens in your diet, sulfur richveggies, things like that.
If you prioritize those threethings, you would be supporting
your liver, supporting yourdetox pathways, creating a much
healthier kind of foundation andsoil within your body that then
if you wanna start adding otherthings in your body will be
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like, oh yeah, yeah, we'realready starting to do this
really well.
We absolutely can kind of takeon the next level of things that
you're wanting to do.
And I think.
we sometimes create more of conmore confusion over how to
support our bodies.
And we forget about, do you needto cast our oil pack and sauna
and dry brush and all the thingsif like, you're not drinking
(39:29):
enough water or pooping at.
We write all of those things.
We gotta start, we gotta startat the beginning.
Those would be like the threethings that I would say are like
good beginning, places to likesew into for now.
Tiffany (39:42):
Yes, and I think that's, I want women to really
hear that it's not an intenseprotocol.
It's not buying an expensive redlight.
It's not making your husbandbuild that really cute sauna on
your back porch.
Of course, maybe he should, Idon't know.
It's not.
Kelly (39:59):
that's
Tiffany (40:00):
not mastering coffee enemas it, right?
Like those are layers that comeafter we support what your body
is already doing really well.
Let's just see what happens withthat.
Let's, let's see how we supportyour body as a detox machine.
Okay?
And then this one is slight,this won't seem related to some
women.
But this question came inbecause we're often.
(40:21):
Recommending detox baths numberone is a really, really good way
and super cheap and accessibleway to support your body.
And we'll, and we'll giveresources for that too, but also
magnesium.
We're talking about magnesiumconstantly.
Magnesium is a really importantmineral that we need in order
for our bodies to detox.
Well, so this question is whatis the difference between EPS
(40:44):
and salt?
Or magnesium flakes for the bathbecause we sometimes we use them
interchangeably, but they dohave kind of pros and cons to
each one.
Kelly (40:55):
yeah, So, Epsom salts that is magnesium, also.
Magnesium sulfate.
That's really, really good formuscle relaxation.
Good morning.
So after I have a hard workoutor have been at a birth for a
long, you know, all those kindsof things, I'm like, okay, what
do I actually need?
My, my body really needs to kindof relax and I'll go towards the
Epsom salts, magnesium flakesagain, also magnesium, magnesium
(41:19):
chloride.
And so that is really easilyabsorbed and it's a great one
just to kind of throw in.
Even if you want musclerelaxation, it can be helpful
too, but it's really gentle andsensitive on your skin.
Some women are will be like, Itook an Epsom salt bath and I
hated it.
Right?
It made me uncomfortable, itmade my skin itch.
Those kinds of things.
And so magnesium flakes are agreat one to.
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in if you have more sensitiveskin or you really, maybe you
don't have as long in the bathor something, it's a really
great absorption rate.
So you can kind of choose basedon your needs.
I mean, I still use both and notin any way saying anything
negative necessarily about theEpsom salts, but, generally
speaking, you're gonna get yourmagnesium both ways.
But that absorption rate forMagnesium flakes kind of tips it
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me personally.
Tiffany (42:09):
Yeah, and I will say like Magni Epsom salt is
cheaper, so if you gotta dosomething, it's Epsom salt's
really cheap to have it on hand.
If you're feeling a little extraand you wanna like supercharge.
That ritual of throwingsomething in your bath,
magnesium flakes is like nextlevel.
Okay?
Now ladies, those of you whohave these foundations in place,
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you're, you're going to belooking for next steps in order
to support your body.
Yes, it is ideal to get yournutrition through Whole Foods.
Yes, it is ideal for all ofthose to be mine, mineral rich.
But we live in a society and welive in a world where it's
really probably not possible formost of us.
And so supplementation is goingto be a part of most of our
(42:54):
lives.
Most of us need a little bit ofthat extra support.
And if you're dealing withsomething specific that you need
extra liver support or you needextra detox support like it's a
part of something that you'reworking on right now, then it's
gonna be almost necessary andmandatory to have some of these
supplements on board.
We've created a list in our fullscript that has our, our full
(43:19):
protocol for how we treat ourown clients.
And yes, all of these are safefor pregnancy and breastfeeding.
It was the whole point ofputting this list together,
which means it's safe for thoseof you who are not pregnant and
breastfeeding too.
These are all really supportivethings.
This is not about pulling.
Deep stores of toxins out ofyour body.
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This is about supporting liverhealth and liver metabolism and
what your body is already doingdetox wise.
We'll find that link in our shownotes for that full script
protocol.
It is our.
Professional dispensary.
It is where you can get theabsolute best quality
supplements through our link.
(44:01):
You can also get'em 25% off ofMSRP.
So not only are they cheaperthan where you can buy them in
brick and mortar or on Amazonthey're higher quality and
they're guaranteed quality, andthey're all third party tests.
Did, and we usually pick thecleanest, most organic no
fillers, no extra additives, etcetera.
(44:21):
So we've curated this list inorder to kind of take that
mental load off of your mind.
It's worth checking out so youcan find that link.
But let's go through these,let's go through these
supplements real quick becauseyou don't have to go to our link
in order to understand what theydo, and we can provide some
context for how thesesupplements can support your
body.
And we will share that rightnow.
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I will start with calcium andmagnesium.
'cause that's the first thing inthat protocol.
Magnesium supports that liverenzyme that we talked about in
phase one and phase two of thedetox phases.
It supports regular bowelmovement and calcium actually
helps with pH balance in yourbody too.
And those two minerals workreally well together.
(45:04):
They let.
Calcium and magnesium like to betogether.
They're co-factors.
They use each other'sbioavailability in order to be
absorbed and utilized in thebody.
Kelly (45:14):
The next one are trace minerals, and we're just really
heavy on the mineral aspect,right?
Because a lot of us are verywe're just lacking that our food
is lacking, that our lifestylesare lacking that.
So trace minerals are reallywonderful and they are really
needed.
To detox some of those enzymeswe have.
And so it'll really supportglutathione, really support your
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liver pathways, easy to add intoyour water or drink, you know,
herbal infusions, things likethat.
Great little addition there.
Tiffany (45:43):
Yep.
And then next we have B complex.
B complex is probably on everysingle list that we have for
women's health.
It's just a really importantthing to have on board.
A lot of us are deficient.
There's a lot of crazy.
Signs of deficiency.
So that's important to know, butthis supports methylation and it
supports specifically the liverphase two of the detox process.
(46:04):
And so while there's many otherbenefits of be complex for liver
support specifically, we wannamake sure that that's on board
before we even start with anelimination process.
Kelly (46:16):
Yeah, and I guess on that note, a lot of these things you
may already be taking or you'relike, oh, I only have to add in
a couple extra things, right?
Because you're already on kindof a supplement rotation which
is kind of nice.
So the next one is beef liver,grass fed beef, liver.
So nutrient dense in pill form,right?
It's a very quick, easy way toget some of that really nutrient
dense goodness.
(46:37):
It's gonna support your liver.
With some of that B12 vitamin Acholine iron, it is really
robust.
And so it's a great one to haveon board in some of those
foundational pieces.
Tiffany (46:49):
Yep.
And then next we have threeherbs that can be really helpful
in liver supporting.
We have milk thistle, dandelionnettle.
You guys know that nettle is amajor component in our pregnancy
tea that's not just forpregnancy, it's for postpartum
two, and we have a lot of.
Customers who are taking it forpreconception also milk thistle
protects and regenerates livercells.
(47:10):
That's why you, it's always likeyou hear milk, milk thistle and
you just automatically thinkliver support.
Right?
But it also helps to boost Bflow and that that bile flow is
what is able to actually carrytoxins out.
Of your liver, which isfiltering it into your digestive
system so that you can poop itout.
It's a really cool mechanismthat your body is already trying
(47:31):
to do for you.
Dandelion helps also with thisbile and kidney detox, and it's
also a gentle diuretic, so it'smoving things out of your body,
helping to create that flow.
Nettle is anti-inflammatory.
It supports lymphatic and kidneyfunction.
It does 75 other wonderfulthings.
(47:51):
If there was one herb that Iwould say everyone should take
every single day, it would benettle, and it's just my
personal favorite.
Kelly (47:59):
Yeah, that's'cause it's such like a heavy hitter, very
simple and like can do so muchfor us.
The next one up is choline.
You may have heard a lot aboutcholine.
It is a great aspect for bileproduction in general and then
fat metabolism as well in theliver.
So this is a great one to haveon board through food.
But definitely it just is quiteeasy to take through a
(48:20):
supplement to kind of help someof those foundational pieces of
what the liver's actually.
Trying to do right.
Tiffany (48:27):
Yep.
And then vitamin D three with Ktwo, we specify that because the
form of vitamin D three is animportant part of what your body
can actually utilize.
And K two again is another.
Another bioavailability helper.
It help D three to be.
Fully absorbed and utilized inthe body, but having adequate
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levels of vitamin D just ingeneral supports detox related
immunity.
We love to like zero in on theseone systems and be like, here's
what the liver's doing, let'ssupport that.
But really, like it's a holisticexperience.
There's no vacuum processhappening in our body.
We wanna make sure that we arejust overall well-rounded and
(49:09):
healthy.
So that's a part of it, but italso helps to regulate
inflammation in your body too,which helps your body to be an
efficient detoxer as well.
Kelly (49:17):
Yeah, I love how most of these, like you could take them
for other things also, or again,like be already using them in
different ways and be like, oh,actually now I have a little bit
more
Tiffany (49:26):
I.
Kelly (49:27):
of why it's useful, what I'm taking.
A lot of women don't reallyunderstand why they're taking
what they're taking completely.
So this is a helpful reminderthat we can like step back and
see the purpose of some of thesethings.
Collagen is the next one.
So we love collagen for many,many different reasons.
Great for, you know, protein,all that good stuff.
But it's really helpful tosupport glutathione in your
body, which we've spoken aboutbeing a really helpful aspect of
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what's going on in your liver.
And it is really wonderful foryour gut lining as well, and
which, you know, so much ishappening in the gut from the
gut.
Stemming from that, again, not avacuum, everything's kind of
like interrelated.
And so this is a very easypointed way to help kind of
support the liver through thesupporting partners that it has.
Tiffany (50:13):
Yep.
And then very last is ahomeopathic called sulfur.
And this gently stimulates theliver.
It helps to gently stimulate theskin detox pathways like lymph
and sweating mechanisms.
And so we've, we throw that inthere so that you have this
willy well-rounded approach.
We have mineral profiles, wehave amino acid profiles.
(50:35):
We have, like real foodsupplements like beef, liver and
collagen.
We have vitamin supplements andwe're able to support the system
with all of these.
General and varying pieces.
So you guys can find thisprotocol again in our show notes
or if you're already connectedon full script, you just look
into our community plans thereand search for detox.
(50:57):
That will come right up for you.
And here's the lineup of whatelse we have in the show notes
for you.
I know a lot of you are notlooking at the show notes while
you're listening to this, so ifyou want to get more information
on the drainage pathways, how toopen those up, we have tons of
information on that.
Detox baths.
Detox for hormone imbalance,specifically detox for estrogen
(51:19):
imbalance, specifically detoxwith lymphatic drainage and dry
brushing.
We did a whole or audiotutorial.
It's gonna say oral tutorial.
We were oral.
You will be editorializing thatprotocol so you can actually dry
brush while Kelly walks youthrough those steps, which is
just like a lullaby for your drybrush routine, right?
(51:42):
Then sauna.
We talk about sauna in anepisode two, so you guys can go
grab all of those resources toenjoy the full scope of what
there is to learn and just belike layering in that
information.
There's a lot to learn.
As you start to feel like morecurious about it, you absolutely
can go try to nuance your yourhealth a little bit.
(52:05):
And if you want more support,more handholding, more
community, more specifics,access to Kelly and I asking
questions directly to us gettingfeedback on individual things
that are happening inside yourbody.
As you pursue some of thesepieces for your health, our
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Kelly (01:09):
Welcome back to at home with Kelly and Tiffany.
I'm Kelly.
Tiffany (01:13):
And I'm Tiffany, and today we are in.
For such a treat, talking aboutdetox protocols for all the
stages of womanhood, really.
But we specifically labeled itfor preconception, pregnancy and
postpartum because those are thephases of life that are least
understood.
There's the most amount ofconfusion out there about detox
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information, and so yes, you canapply this information to all of
your lady life, but we're gonnago into.
How to do it for these specificseasons that, you know, the
general consensus is don't detoxor it's dangerous.
We're gonna talk about how to doit.
Kelly (01:54):
Yeah, and I'm excited because this is probably one of
the, the things that we get mostquestioned about because detox
rhythms in our lives, like youand I, TIFF are like, we talk
about them a lot, especially onInstagram and things like that,
and people are like, Ooh.
Is this pregnancy safe?
What about post?
What about when I'm nursing?
Can I do that?
What about getting in, like, isit okay to dry brush or, you
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know, even some of the moregentle things.
And so this hopefully will serveas a good place to kind of get a
foundation in what what reallywe mean by detox and some of the
things that you can start addinginto your life or potentially
taking out things like that inthis particular season.
Tiffany (02:31):
Yep.
And before we dive in, Kelly,our icebreaker question this
morning, this one's a little outthere, so.
I don't know what you're gonnado with it.
I'm actually really excited.
I was ins, I was inspired bybeing around people that are
like older, elderly, I would sayrecently.
(02:52):
You know, like my mom, one ofour, actually all of our
neighbors, we moved into a, aneighborhood.
With people who have been heresince I don't know, 1482.
And so I'm talking to lots ofpeople recently and just
observing their life and stuff,and I just think, what are we
(03:12):
gonna be like when we're old?
And my question for you, I like,just don't know.
I have no idea what we're gonnabe like when we're old.
There's no way that we can belike the, the old people that
are around us.
Kelly (03:25):
Nope.
No way.
Tiffany (03:27):
It's like that.
No, there's no way.
But I don't know what it's gonnalook like.
It's so, it's so, so obscure tome.
Okay.
So my question for you is, canyou imagine, or as I force you
to imagine in this moment as youget older, like let's talk about
like 70 plus years old.
Can you imagine giving up thingsthat you do for your health now,
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or that you, or that people justsay in general, are good for
you?
Can you imagine giving that upas you get older because you're
like, well, the whole point wasto get to this age, and that's
why I was avoiding doing thesethings.
And now that I'm old, I'm notgonna waste time doing fill in
the blank.
I don't know.
Kelly (04:12):
Yeah, it's really hard because I feel like the things
that I've woven into my health,like rhythms would be really
helpful to continue.
At that age and beyond, right?
So I'm like, no, that actuallywould be a great, like, that
would be a really helpful thingfor an older person to continue
doing.
But what I have noticed is evenin my own, I'm not elderly by
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any means, but even as I'vegotten older, my, like, my care
for certain things decreases,right?
Where I'm like, okay, so rightnow it's like other people's
opinions.
I'm like, okay.
That is not as important to meas it was when I was in my
twenties.
Right.
Like, or I don't, I don'tstruggle with that the way I did
when I was younger.
And so then I'm like, okay, sowhat might fall off my plate
(04:57):
that I'm like, nah, that's justlike too hard.
I don't really care anymore.
And it's really hard for me tolike grasp something.
But what I could potentiallywrap my mind around, even though
I will say I do think it wouldbe a healthy thing to continue
till the day that I died wouldprobably be like seeking out.
Heat and cold for like, youknow, detox purposes.
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I could see being like, I don'twanna get in the sauna.
I'm already dealing with my ownhot flashes.
Or like, or I just, that justlike is too much work.
I could for sure see the coldplunge piece be like, heck no,
my.
My, I don't wanna, I don't wannaput myself through that kind of
discomfort and I've earned theright to not do that anymore.
So I have a feeling it'sprobably gonna be one of those,
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although I cannot imagine orwrap my brain around a day when
I don't want it.
again, this one's like reallyhard for me.
The other thing that I'm kind ofpiecing together too, is
obviously I'm not gonna have aperiod at that point.
So I'm trying to think of thingsaround my period that I'm like,
oh, that's a rhythm that isimportant to me because of my
own body's rhythm, and that'sgonna look really different.
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But even then I'm like, well,all the things that I do for
that, I'm just gentle andsupportive of health in general.
So.
I wish I had like a betteranswer for this one, but that is
like where sort of I'm, I'm at,because I think the things that
I have in my rhythm now would bereally helpful 10, 20, 30 years
from now, and I just can'timagine letting it go.
(06:27):
But again, I think that likeheat cold peace, I could
envision being like, gosh,that's so extreme, and I don't
wanna do that anymore.
I don't wanna do the extremestuff.
I just wanna do the gentlestuff.
So I, I could see that being mylike vision.
Tiffany (06:41):
Yeah, I'm thinking like as we get older, we're kind of
like, we're letting go.
We're slowing down, we'resoftening in lots of areas
we're.
We're probably a lot more chilland calm about everything, so
maybe it won't feel so urgent tobe working on these things that
we do now.
And then, like you said, wewon't have, we won't have cycles
(07:03):
anymore and so that, or we won'thave those types of monthly
cycles.
We'll still have life cycles andrhythms and stuff.
But what an interesting.
Concept, you know, and the, andthen it informs us too, because
I mean, I am living for that.
I'm living for Grandma Tiffany.
Like even as we consider our ownkids, like getting older and
(07:28):
moving outta the house in thenext few years, I'm like, I've
shifted my focus to Mommy Tiff,which of course I'm still, I'm
always gonna be a mom, but I'mstarting to think like, oh my
gosh, I might have grandchildrenin the next 10 years.
What kind of grandparent do Iwanna be?
And.
My 15-year-old was like, you'renot gonna be a very good grandma
'cause you don't play with thelittle kids that are around us.
(07:49):
And I'm like, you know what?
I have other, I have otherskills and things to develop
here and my and my grandmarhythms.
But what I, my mom sent me thisarticle about how HPV is on the
rise in the elderly populationand our screening protocols
currently reflect,
Kelly (08:08):
we
Tiffany (08:08):
That we don't do any screening for low risk women
after the age of 65 because thetypes of HPV that cause cervical
cancer and then how long ittakes cervical cancer to
develop, you know, over 15 or 20years sometimes that by the time
you would catch it after 65.
I don't know if this is therationale, but I'm pretty sure
it is, that you're just goingto, it's, it's unlikely that
(08:31):
you're gonna get it, but then ifyou do.
Is it worth, worth catching?
I dunno.
It's so crazy.
But the reason that h HPV is onthe rise is and, and other
venereal diseases in the elderlyis the, the sexual relations
that are happening inside ofthese, retirement homes and how
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like that is much more prevalentthan it ever was.
Or maybe there's just so manybaby boomers coming into this
season of life or something.
Anyway, so I ended up in thisconversation with my mom about
like, you know.
How, how long do you screen?
How is this gonna change and arewe going to need to be like,
trying to do how just, you know,it blew my mind.
(09:16):
But then I started thinkingabout other things of, you know,
as you get older and so is thata part of it?
Is that where the promiscuitycomes in?
The elderly population becausethey're like, forget it.
What am I, I'm willing to domore riskier things because.
Kelly (09:33):
yeah, like,
Tiffany (09:33):
I spent my whole life tr trying to be good.
I dunno.
Kelly (09:37):
Yeah.
That is a fascinating one towrap your mind around.
I watched this show about thisit's a Ted Danson show of like,
he goes undercover as like aprivate investigator.
In a, like an nursing home And Idon't think I even watched the
whole thing, but I was crackingup by all of these like
relationships that werehappening and the women who were
just like throwing themselves athim.
(09:58):
I saw an interview with him andhe was talking about like, no,
we like did a lot of researchand this is like a thing and.
I think there's this issidetracking, but it's so
interesting because I think weassume as women, we lose a lot
of that as we get older.
Like we, oh, like we're in ourprime right now.
Right?
And so then we look ahead andwe're like, I don't wanna think
ahead to that.
(10:18):
And not saying that this, thesebehaviors are a correct or
whatever, but the fact thatwomen as they are aging.
Are able to have such a vibrantsex life if they, you know, so
choose.
That's like kind of encouragingto me in my own marriage to be
like, oh, potentially there'ssome great things awaiting that
I can be excited about.
You know, with just a differentlevel of, or lack of
(10:41):
responsibility at home, kidsoutta the house and things like
that.
Like maybe just things lookreally different.
So, don't know.
It's fascinating.
Tiffany (10:49):
It is, it's got me.
I have more thoughts about thisand we just do not have time
this morning, but maybe we'll doa whole, a whole episode of
Grandma Tiffany and GrandmaKelly, and we'll just talk about
our future
Kelly (11:04):
I like
Tiffany (11:04):
elderly raunchy selves.
Kelly (11:08):
I like it.
I'm here
Tiffany (11:09):
Hmm.
Okay, so let's, let's jump intodetox.
I wanna give an overview of.
What actually is happening inyour body when you're detoxing?
And you mentioned Kelly, thatthese are some foundational
pieces.
We have created so much contentaround the concept of detox,
especially detox for hormonalissues and hormonal imbalances.
(11:33):
Even just as I was writing outthis episode, I thought of at
least half a dozen other.
Episodes and resources for womento check out.
So I wanna, I wanna provide anoverview for the context of this
episode, but we are not gonna gointo detail on all of these
things because there's are,there's so much and there's,
there's other places for youladies to get that information.
(11:54):
So.
Just saying that as adisclaimer.
As we jump in, I'll share phasesof detox and then Kelly, why
don't you go into after that,like the safety of these
different phases and what womenshould be thinking about in
these different phases ofwomanhood.
Womanhood and motherhood and howto go about safe detox.
Kelly (12:15):
Perfect.
Tiffany (12:15):
So detox typically occurs in three main phases, and
they primarily involve theliver.
So a lot of times when we'retalking about detox support,
we're also talking about liversupport, liver nourishment but
it is supported by other organs.
Your body is just a detoxmachine, and I cannot emphasize
that enough to those of you whoare listening.
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Your body is just.
Constantly metabolizing andtrying to get rid of toxins that
are in your body.
There's other organs that areinvolved in this, like the gut,
the kidneys your skin, yourlymphatic system.
And it starts with phase one.
There's three phases.
Phase one is activation and thatis when your body converts
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toxins, no matter where theyhave come from, right?
Like your environment, yourfood,
Kelly (13:02):
and
Tiffany (13:03):
And it uses liver enzymes to convert these toxins
and then gets them prepared forphase two.
And so it's really importantthat you have a nourished liver
that can produce these enzymeswell.
And that you can reduce yourtoxic burden overall so that
there's less to detox.
(13:24):
I think that that is a detoxhack that we often skip right
over because we go straight to.
Herbs and supplements and,sweating and all of those detox
pathways, that's important andthat is absolutely vital and
essential.
But this very first phase ofactivation, your body, being
able to transform the toxins inyour body to something that can
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actually be removed.
We need to nourish the liver.
We need to reduce toxic burden,and we do that by eating lots of
protein.
Every single day, a hundredgrams is our target.
Or more lots of animal productsbecause pastured raw, grass fed
organic animal products that weeat are really, have, have tons
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of nutrients that nourishdeliver.
And then
Kelly (14:15):
then.
Tiffany (14:16):
Cru.
Vegetables like broccoli andkale and bok choy and
cauliflower and all that.
Getting those into your dietregularly are super important.
So this is the foundationalpiece.
This is how your body firststarts to process toxins, and
then phase two is calledconjugation, and that is your
body neutralizing those toxinsfor elimination.
(14:37):
So.
The liver adds molecules likeglutathione.
We're getting more familiar withthat term in that process as
we're supporting that sulfuramino acids.
And that's how your bodyactually is able to convert for
elimination.
So that's another big task ofyour liver.
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And we need nutrients likevitamin B, magnesium, amino
acids, antioxidants.
Those are things we can getfrom.
Our food.
Those are things that we can getfrom supplements, and we're
gonna go into our whole entiresupplement protocol for you
ladies towards the end of thisepisode too, because even though
it's a whole lifestyle of detox,there really are really specific
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ways that you can support yourbody in doing that.
And then phase three iselimination.
So.
We have these toxins mobilized.
We have these toxins converted.
We have them neutralized so thattheir, your body is able to
actually process them.
And then this is where we getinto those detox pathways.
Being able to remove theelimination of those toxins
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through those pathways ofdrainage like bile that secretes
into your digestive system thathelps you poop out toxins.
That's your.
Kelly (15:49):
your
Tiffany (15:50):
Biggest detox organ urine your kidneys, help you
expel toxins when you pee everytime, sweat lymphatic drainage.
All of these systems are animportant part of being able to
actually move those toxins out.
So.
Kelly (16:03):
out so
Tiffany (16:04):
People who get sick during a detox process do not
have enough of these drainagepathways open.
So if you've ever done anextreme diet, extreme shift,
extreme cleanse, anything likethat, and you have gotten sick,
it is the wrong way to approachit.
You need to have these detoxpathways open and you need to
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be, working on keeping them openwhen you are specifically
detoxing things.
So that's really important.
In order to support thiselimination, we need to be
hydrated.
We need good fiber in our diet.
We need to be sweatingregularly.
We need bowel movements everysingle day.
And so the, these are the layersof how to support these specific
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places in these three phases ofdetox.
Kelly (16:49):
Yeah, and I, I think it's so helpful to remember,'cause
when we talk about detox, when Ifirst learned about detox like
many years ago, it was in thecontext of like big detox, like
juice cleanses or you know,whatever.
But this is something that yourbody, like you were mentioning
already does.
It is a good, it is a gooddesign to help get us like clear
(17:09):
cleared out of some of thesetoxins.
I mean, even hormones inoverload can be a toxin in our
body, right?
And so this is good to work itthrough.
And what we are trying to dohere is help our bodies do what
it was designed to do.
Right.
And sometimes it just needs alittle bit more help.
Sometimes it feels good to giveit a little bit more help.
Sometimes you have signs thatyour body is saying, Hey, I need
a little bit more help.
(17:30):
And so it's, it's a helpfulthing just to kind of consider.
It from that lens of like, howcan we support our bodies,
right?
In doing what it's designed todo?
And as we go into these seasonsthat we're talking about,
particularly preconception,pregnancy, postpartum, there are
specific considerations, right?
About, okay, how much is toomuch?
What is safe, what is not safe?
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So I'll touch on some of thesethings and then again, in our
show notes.
And at the end of the episode,I'm sure we'll share about some
of the places that you can finda bit more pointed information
too.
But if you were in the stagewhere you're like, okay, I want
to get pregnant, great.
This is a wonderful time to helpsupport your detox system,
support your liver inparticular.
You have a great opportunity tobe working on those things and
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really all is kind of free gameat this point while you are
working on it.
If there was one thing that Iwould recommend to women in that
preconception time, it is towork on your liver health
because of the massive impactthat it can have.
On the health of your pregnancy,on the out, some of the outcomes
that can be related to that aswell as into postpartum.
So absolutely it is free game.
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If you are actively trying toconceive or say you're like,
Ooh, this is the monthhopefully, and I ovulate a few
days ago.
I wonder if I'm pregnant.
We will need to kind of.
Consider at that point what youknow, what exactly you are
engaging in.
And we'll talk about pregnancyin particular, about things that
are helpful and not helpful.
But ideally, if you arethinking, I wanna get pregnant
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in the next year, absolutely.
Enjoy all of the things for now.
Especially if you're about threemonths.
About to, you know, try toconceive.
It's a great time if you arejust considering all of the
things that you can be doing toreally focus on some of these
detox pathways for your bodythat we'll talk about.
And then in pregnancy inparticular.
The safest things that werecommend, you are not going to
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be like, oh wow, that's so youknow out of this world or
revolutionary or whatever.
It's because it's simple andsupportive because again, your
body is doing good work alreadyas a detox machine.
But now we're adding a baby ontop of that, right?
And so we don't wanna overloadit.
We also don't wanna make thesetoxins potentially get stuck
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anywhere in your body as well aswe are trying to draw them out
and move them out.
So things like pooping, right?
We are, I mean, one just foryour comfort and all of that,
but we are so big on poopingevery day, whether you're
pregnant or not.
But it's a huge way, like youmentioned Tiff, to get some of
these things.
Out of your body.
The easiest, the quickest, thebiggest way that we can do that
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is to have regular bowelmovement.
So if you're not having thatgreat thing to start focusing
on, right?
You absolutely can be sweatingin pregnancy.
It is not harmful to, you know,you or your baby to get a sweat
on.
Now, if you're going into.
Something like a sauna or asteam room that's on the no
list.
Generally speaking, although Iwas reading this really
(20:19):
fascinating article from one oflike the Nordic countries of
course,'cause they're like sointo sauna about women doing,
you know, sauna stuff overthere.
they kept saying like how greatit was and all these like,
wonderful outcomes, whatever, loand behold the temperature was
set at, you know, like 98 orsomething, right?
So much, much lower than itnormally would be.
So if that is something thatyou're like, oh, I really want
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that.
You know, dial it, dial it waydown and enjoy that.
But sweat is a great way to getsome of these toxins out of our
bodies.
Drinking electrolytes andputting lemon in your water,
lemon in your water, especiallyfirst thing in the morning on an
empty stomach.
Great way to kind of activatethe liver, activate those
enzymes to say like, okay, wakeup.
You have a job to do today.
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I am helping you out with that.
So it's a great, easy way tohelp support your liver during
pregnancy.
Dry brushing is another one.
So I only began dry brushing,like, I don't know, a couple
years ago and it was, it feltoh, I don't know if it was like
intimidating or something beforedoing it.
'cause I'm like, Ooh, thatsounds so like.
Other, like, I've never donethat before.
I don't really know exactly whatto do.
(21:21):
And then once you learn, whichwe will talk about in a little
bit you're like, oh yeah, no,that's very straightforward.
It's a great way to activateyour lymph system and move some
of these things around.
Same thing with lymphaticmassage.
We'll put some supportive piecesin there for you on how to do
these things.
But this is a great way, again,your lymphatic system controls
so much.
So being able to wake it up,move it around.
(21:44):
And help, you know get thatmovement out of that stagnant
kind of space that it cansometimes be in, which then
leads to feelings of discomfortand headaches and all kinds of
stuff.
It can be really, reallyhelpful.
That is absolutely safe toeither continue to do or to
start to do in pregnancy aswell.
and then obviously the focus onliver healthy detox, healthy
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nutrition.
There are herbs that can besupportive.
Dandelion in particular is awonderful one to help support
your liver and supplements aswell.
Right.
So focusing on some of thosepieces, and again, we'll, we'll
talk a little bit more detail onsome of them will be incredibly
helpful.
You do not want to overlook howimportant sleep is though to
this entire process, andespecially during pregnancy when
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sometimes sleep can feel alittle hard to come by or just a
little different, I suppose.
Focusing on a really good sleephygiene, really good sleep
rhythms to help your body calm,reset, and do the work that it
needs to do while you aresleeping.
There's so much good stuff thatit does while you are sleeping
that you need to be sleeping forit to be doing right, doing
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well, and so do not, don't sleepon that.
I mentioned not getting into thesauna, the steam room kind of
thing.
We you know, in differentseasons of life, you may hear
about like castor oil packs.
We do not recommend those inpregnancy.
We do not recommend you know,detoxes that are specific to
like fasting or juice cleansesduring pregnancy.
(23:11):
You probably would assume thosethings, but we also do get a lot
of questions about like, Hey, Iheard about this.
Can I try this?
And I'm like, I'm not gonna tellyou what to do, but this is our
like, clinical recommendation interms of like a healthy
pregnancy, taking care ofyourself and then postpartum,
you know, a lot of people arewondering, and it's mostly
around breast milk, which wewill talk about in a sec.
(23:32):
But you can absolutely continueand you probably will feel
really good to move some ofthese things around in your body
postpartum.
Because it is a bit moresedentary time, right?
And it might just feel reallygood to start in you know,
utilizing some of these pieces.
You can do all of that gentlethings that are above right,
like the lemon in your water anddry brushing and you know,
(23:54):
making sure you're pooping everyday, all of that good stuff to
help your liver.
But then you can start beinglike, Ooh, you know, it sounds
kind of nice, Asana.
I'm just gonna try it.
I'm gonna slowly go in, youknow, like make my my little
baby steps towards that, right?
You can start trying castor oilpacks to, you know, start moving
some of those things around.
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So it's a time where.
You absolutely can do, continueall the same gentle things and
then you can start saying, Ooh,I can uplevel just a little bit.
And then continue to kind oftake baby steps forward in those
things.
We still do not recommendfasting.
We still do not recommend juicecleanses.
In this season, if you start,say you're like, Ooh, now I'm
gonna start doing asana and acastor oil pack and like
(24:37):
lymphatic massage and drybrushing, and you're like, okay,
these are all supposed to bereally good things, right?
Wonderful.
But then you may on this likekind of flip side, start feeling
some symptoms, which would be areally good trigger for you to
remember like, Hey, I might beoverdoing it right now.
It might not be the season to doall five of these things.
Let me like maybe take one offmy plate and see how I feel
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after this.
But things like fatigue and notjust like, oh, I'm tired'cause
my baby woke up, or, you know,but just like that bone, you
know, bone tired kind offeeling, headaches,
irritability, where you justfeel.
Agitated and kind of like yournervous system is, you know all
up in arms skin breakouts,rashes, constipation, or on the
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other side, like very loosestools, brain fog, anxiety,
nausea, like if any of those areshowing up for you, I would put
a pause.
On all of this extra stuff andjust pare it down to very
simple.
Focus on nourishment, focus onsupplementation, and see how
you're feeling after thatbecause.
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It's already, it's a depletingtime, right?
It just naturally is.
And sometimes in our excitementto like move forward with
something new, we can overdo itand potentially, you know, bring
ourselves to a place where we'relike, oh man.
Yep.
I feel like I've lost all of myminerals through sweating and
pooping and, you know, doing allof these things.
And so just an encouragement anda reminder that like, this is
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the time if you want to.
So into this idea to take somebaby steps and really be
comfortable listening to yourbody.
Tiffany (26:11):
And we were talking about this recently on
Instagram.
If you guys have an Instagramaccount, go follow us there
because we do so much in betweenepisode information there and
it's just a chance for us tokind of like interact a little
bit more with our audience, but.
We were sharing a little bit onthis, and because there's so
much confusion about it,especially like for postpartum
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time, I think women are like, Ithink they feel clear about
being really cautious andcareful in pregnancy, but then
postpartum comes around andthey're like, well, wait a
minute.
What can I do?
What am I allowed to do?
What's safe to do?
So we asked women to.
Submit their questions, thingsthat they were curious about,
and we compiled a couple of themhere just to give like the most
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common questions that we got, wecan do some answering of on this
episode to just provide contextand information.
'cause it's one thing for us toget on here and be like.
This is how you od talks, here'show to do it safely.
But then people are like, that'sreally interesting.
Here's my real life.
I wanna, how does this actuallywork in real life?
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Which in this question segmentwe, I, I was talking about sleep
and how important that is.
And one, one person was like, Iseriously do not understand.
Why people feel like they needto remind us to sleep
postpartum.
Like that is the craziestrecommendation.
(27:35):
And I was like, lady, pleasecalm down because it is so
important.
It's so important.
That's why we keep talking aboutit.
And I know that there's like.
There's a mixed response tosleep when the baby sleeps.
There's a mix, you know, butthe, the overarching concept for
that, I'm gonna do a wholeepisode about this, actually.
(27:55):
I'm gonna pause what I'm sayingright now.
I'm gonna do a whole episodeabout sleeping postpartum and,
and how to take that informationwith a grain of salt and enjoy
somebody reminding you that it'sreally important to sleep
instead of.
Taking it as a direct assault onyour soul.
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Okay, Kelly, so I'm gonna ask,I'm gonna ask the question and
you're gonna give the answer.
Are you prepared for thatmidwife, Kelly?
Kelly (28:26):
I am.
I was born prepared.
Tiffany (28:28):
Okay, we'll try to go get through this quickly so we
still have time to talk aboutour supplement protocol, which
is the basis of this episode.
We'll cover it in the last threeminutes or so.
Okay.
Question number one.
This came up the most oftenabout safety with breastfeeding.
Do toxins come out in breastmilk?
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How aware of that, how carefulof that do we need to be when
we're detoxing in pregnancy?
Kelly (28:54):
Yeah,
Tiffany (28:55):
I mean, sorry, postpartum.
Kelly (28:57):
Yes.
Tiffany (28:57):
Yeah.
Kelly (28:58):
yes.
The answer is yes, it can.
Right?
Some toxins can pass into breastmilk.
It's been shown some heavymetals, some pesticides, some
medications can pass into breastmilk, but the benefits of
breastfeeding almost alwaysoutweigh those risks and the
amounts that it is coming outin.
But if we are, especially inthis season, if you're really
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focusing on minimizing yourexposure too.
Heavy metals to pesticides, tocertain medications, right?
Rather than like an extremedetox because of that that's,
that's the general idea in this,especially the earlier parts of
postpartum where your baby isonly drinking your milk,
postpartum can be a very wide,amount of time.
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But the idea is, again, ifyou're able to focus a lot more
on minimizing your exposure,then being like, I'm gonna go
hard at all of the detox thingsnow you're probably gonna be in
a better, more comfortable statefor yourself if you're desiring
to add some of those things.
And like I mentioned, startingslow,?
Starting your sauna, startingsome herbs, starting binders.
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Just do so gradually and thenavoid at this point.
Doing right.
10 of them every day, or likestacking too many of them.
I love in my own life, the nonbreastfeeding, not having babies
anymore life where I can belike, I can stack 10 of these
and really, you know, like, getthe bang for my buck during this
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time.
That's not, it's just not theseason.
And that is okay in thatpostpartum, breastfeeding, you
know, season.
And then if you are going toconsider something to start in
postpartum.
Prioritizing the drainage ofsome of this is going to be
really important.
So supporting your liver,supporting your kidneys, your
bowels, your lymphatic systembefore mobilizing some of those
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toxins will be really helpful.
So being able to say, am Ipooping every day?
Am I gently supporting my liver?
What does my lymphatic movementlook like?
Can I move some of that around?
How is, you know, all of thosethings, questioning to be able
to say, okay, I've mobilizedthem, or I've, I've supported
this system before.
Mobilizing some of those toxins.
I think you're gonna be in amuch better state.
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And again, not as like concernedor questioning some of those
things.
We mentioned pooping.
Also, if you're not pooping oneto ti one to two-ish times a day
as a postpartum woman that iswhat I would, recommend diving
hard in before you're like, oh,and now I wanna try sauna and I
wanna try all these things.
Not that those things are bad,but sometimes we jump up 10
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levels before we get some ofthose foundational pieces going.
So, that would be my answer,although I went kind of
tangentially off of yourquestion, but there you go.
Tiffany (31:39):
It was extra information.
And no one listening is gonna becomplaining about extra
information, I'm sure.
Kelly (31:44):
great.
Tiffany (31:45):
I think like the perspective here is that our
bodies are already detoxing allthe time.
Maybe not detoxing efficiently,maybe they're doing it kind of
poorly.
Maybe there's a lot ofcongestion there that they need
that it needs lots of support.
But your breast milk is made outof what is circulating in your
blood.
So the more, the faster that youcan support your body in pulling
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those toxins out of yourbloodstream the better and ha
and being and having some ofthese important rhythms for, for
getting that elimination processgoing is gonna protect your
breast milk.
And so.
I think, I think women need tokeep that in mind.
Just because you start tosupport detox doesn't mean
necessarily that you're, thatyou're pulling toxins out of
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your, out of your storage andtissues.
That would be like a wholedifferent protocol and a a
little bit more on the extremeside of detox.
So just supporting what yourbody is already doing is only
going to be a benefit to your.
Body and your breast milk.
The next really common questionthat we got, which kind of wa
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was actually really surprisingto me because in my mind this is
like.
Common knowledge.
And here's the, here's the funnything about my perspective and
the place where I'm at and the,the 60,000 people who follow us
on Instagram.
People do not know how to drybrush.
(33:11):
They don't know where to learn,how to dry brush.
They don't know where to get adry brush.
And so, Kelly, can you give likea very quick overview?
Kelly (33:20):
Yeah, and I, I even mentioned like, it sounded kind
somewhat intimidating to mebecause I remember Gwyneth
Paltrow talking about it yearsago, and I was like, well,
that's something that like fancyrich people do, right?
It could not be further from thetruth because it's cheap, it's
easy, it's quick, it's sosimple.
But sometimes it is, it'ssimilar to like starting herbal
infusions for me, where I waslike, Ooh, gosh, herbs, that
sounds so intimidating, butreally I'm like, oh, I just put
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some hot water on these.
Great, sign me up.
But it is really simple.
You're gonna use a naturalbristle brush.
A lot of them come from likepig, apparently, like bore
skin,.
And then you're, you take one ofthose natural bristle brushes,
you can literally look onAmazon.
There's lots of differentoptions out there.
And you're gonna move in strokestowards your heart.
(34:04):
There's different people whosay, starting in different
places, right?
Most people will recommendstarting in your hands and your
feet and you're basically justworking your way around your
body with strokes towards yourheart, You can mix this in with
lymphatic massage as well tocontinue to move things around,
but that is part of kinda whatit is intended to stimulate.
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You can do it on your dry skin.
I do mine before showering.
That's like the easiest.,Stacking thing in my head a
couple times a week, two orthree times a week, and so I'll
keep this short.
We will have resources in theshow notes for you if you're
like, Ooh, I like thissimplicity.
I like something that's going tobe impactful and feel good and
have, you know, good outcomesfor me.
That is cheap and easy.
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Show notes is where you willfind that.
Tiffany (34:48):
Yo and my, I've had the same dry brush forever.
I bought it for like 4 95 onAmazon and it doesn't have the
handle on it anymore.
Some of the bristles are bent.
I just used the other side ofit.
My dog chewed on part of it'cause it's wood and I left it
on the floor once and it's justgoing strong.
It doesn't have to be cute orpretty.
It just needs to provide a lighttouch movement to get some of
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that fluid.
Moving and mobilized throughoutyour lymph system, and it's one
of the easiest ways to do that.
When I broke my foot againearlier, or I guess it's, I
guess it was late last year, myother foot, when I broke my
other foot we were on, we were,it was the day before we left
for vacation, so Wonderful.
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So I was spending a lot of timeon vacation with my foot
elevated and my sweet mom wouldcome and do really light touch
massage on it, and it wouldinstantly improve the swelling
and.
It was amazing to see howquickly the fluid could move,
you know, through your body withthe very light touch.
(35:52):
So that's kind of what the,that's kind of what the dry
brush does is we're not draggingit on our skin.
It's not to exfoliate our skin.
It's just to kind of likescratch or tickle.
Okay.
Next question, and we touched onthis a little bit, but this was
asked a lot.
Can you overdo detox.
Kelly (36:10):
Yes, you absolutely can.
So too much detox is gonnarelease more toxins than your
body can actually eliminate,right?
So it's gonna create all ofthis.
But then that next step ofgetting it out is that part can
become a bit more stagnant.
So that can lead to, like Imentioned, some of those
symptoms, fatigue, headaches.
Skin,, flareups with rashes andthings like that.
(36:31):
So if you are starting to dosome of those things, always
supporting your hydration, yourmineral intake, your rest, your
bowel regularity alongside ofthose will be probably the most
important thing that you can do.
Especially if this is a concernor something that you have
potentially experienced beforetrying other detox things and
you realize, Ooh, I don't feelgood when I do that.
(36:53):
Well, let's.
about a step back and considerwhy that might be.
Tiffany (36:58):
Yeah, absolutely.
Okay.
And then somebody asked us toprioritize the.
Three most important things, andI appreciate when women ask
this, and we kind of likefollowed along that a couple
episodes ago when we were sayinglike, the three most important
things to prioritize inpregnancy because we have this
tendency in the holistic worldto like throw all these things
out.
Oh look, here's the 742 thingsyou can do for detox.
(37:21):
And so I, I really appreciate,oh, someone saying.
Okay, but I can't do that many.
Give me, give me the three tofocus on three is a really
reasonable number.
So what would you say those are,Kelly?
If women are gonna prioritizethree things to support detox,
where would they start?
Kelly (37:39):
Yeah, it's funny'cause it's not anything that you need
to buy specifically or to eat,right?
It's like we always come back tosome of these foundations,
right?
So hydration, drinking yourwater, that's gonna flush waste,
that's gonna support yourkidneys, it's gonna support your
lymphatic system.
Focusing on really qualitywater, hydration, you can even
put minerals in that and all ofthat good stuff.
(38:01):
But getting enough fluidthroughout your day.
N number one, to help supportwith this in particular, but
also just in general too.
And then we've mentioned itmultiple times, getting fiber in
your, diet because of howimportant bowel movements are.
So fiber also working inmagnesium, things like that that
can help espec, I mean,especially certainly in
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pregnancy, when things sometimescan feel a little more backed up
but will absolutely help clearthe toxins from your gut.
So focusing on hydration, whichthen also, right, like helps
support bowel movements as well.
So those would be the first two.
And then the third kind of goesalong with that if we're talking
about fiber, but just reallygood nutrient dense food.
Considering what you are eating,fueling your liver pathways
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through the foods that you areeating, lots of good protein,
greens in your diet, sulfur richveggies, things like that.
If you prioritize those threethings, you would be supporting
your liver, supporting yourdetox pathways, creating a much
healthier kind of foundation andsoil within your body that then
if you wanna start adding otherthings in your body will be
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like, oh yeah, yeah, we'realready starting to do this
really well.
We absolutely can kind of takeon the next level of things that
you're wanting to do.
And I think.
we sometimes create more of conmore confusion over how to
support our bodies.
And we forget about, do you needto cast our oil pack and sauna
and dry brush and all the thingsif like, you're not drinking
(39:29):
enough water or pooping at.
We write all of those things.
We gotta start, we gotta startat the beginning.
Those would be like the threethings that I would say are like
good beginning, places to likesew into for now.
Tiffany (39:42):
Yes, and I think that's, I want women to really
hear that it's not an intenseprotocol.
It's not buying an expensive redlight.
It's not making your husbandbuild that really cute sauna on
your back porch.
Of course, maybe he should, Idon't know.
It's not.
Kelly (39:59):
that's
Tiffany (40:00):
not mastering coffee enemas it, right?
Like those are layers that comeafter we support what your body
is already doing really well.
Let's just see what happens withthat.
Let's, let's see how we supportyour body as a detox machine.
Okay?
And then this one is slight,this won't seem related to some
women.
But this question came inbecause we're often.
(40:21):
Recommending detox baths numberone is a really, really good way
and super cheap and accessibleway to support your body.
And we'll, and we'll giveresources for that too, but also
magnesium.
We're talking about magnesiumconstantly.
Magnesium is a really importantmineral that we need in order
for our bodies to detox.
Well, so this question is whatis the difference between EPS
(40:44):
and salt?
Or magnesium flakes for the bathbecause we sometimes we use them
interchangeably, but they dohave kind of pros and cons to
each one.
Kelly (40:55):
yeah, So, Epsom salts that is magnesium, also.
Magnesium sulfate.
That's really, really good formuscle relaxation.
Good morning.
So after I have a hard workoutor have been at a birth for a
long, you know, all those kindsof things, I'm like, okay, what
do I actually need?
My, my body really needs to kindof relax and I'll go towards the
Epsom salts, magnesium flakesagain, also magnesium, magnesium
(41:19):
chloride.
And so that is really easilyabsorbed and it's a great one
just to kind of throw in.
Even if you want musclerelaxation, it can be helpful
too, but it's really gentle andsensitive on your skin.
Some women are will be like, Itook an Epsom salt bath and I
hated it.
Right?
It made me uncomfortable, itmade my skin itch.
Those kinds of things.
And so magnesium flakes are agreat one to.
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in if you have more sensitiveskin or you really, maybe you
don't have as long in the bathor something, it's a really
great absorption rate.
So you can kind of choose basedon your needs.
I mean, I still use both and notin any way saying anything
negative necessarily about theEpsom salts, but, generally
speaking, you're gonna get yourmagnesium both ways.
But that absorption rate forMagnesium flakes kind of tips it
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me personally.
Tiffany (42:09):
Yeah, and I will say like Magni Epsom salt is
cheaper, so if you gotta dosomething, it's Epsom salt's
really cheap to have it on hand.
If you're feeling a little extraand you wanna like supercharge.
That ritual of throwingsomething in your bath,
magnesium flakes is like nextlevel.
Okay?
Now ladies, those of you whohave these foundations in place,
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you're, you're going to belooking for next steps in order
to support your body.
Yes, it is ideal to get yournutrition through Whole Foods.
Yes, it is ideal for all ofthose to be mine, mineral rich.
But we live in a society and welive in a world where it's
really probably not possible formost of us.
And so supplementation is goingto be a part of most of our
(42:54):
lives.
Most of us need a little bit ofthat extra support.
And if you're dealing withsomething specific that you need
extra liver support or you needextra detox support like it's a
part of something that you'reworking on right now, then it's
gonna be almost necessary andmandatory to have some of these
supplements on board.
We've created a list in our fullscript that has our, our full
(43:19):
protocol for how we treat ourown clients.
And yes, all of these are safefor pregnancy and breastfeeding.
It was the whole point ofputting this list together,
which means it's safe for thoseof you who are not pregnant and
breastfeeding too.
These are all really supportivethings.
This is not about pulling.
Deep stores of toxins out ofyour body.
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This is about supporting liverhealth and liver metabolism and
what your body is already doingdetox wise.
We'll find that link in our shownotes for that full script
protocol.
It is our.
Professional dispensary.
It is where you can get theabsolute best quality
supplements through our link.
(44:01):
You can also get'em 25% off ofMSRP.
So not only are they cheaperthan where you can buy them in
brick and mortar or on Amazonthey're higher quality and
they're guaranteed quality, andthey're all third party tests.
Did, and we usually pick thecleanest, most organic no
fillers, no extra additives, etcetera.
(44:21):
So we've curated this list inorder to kind of take that
mental load off of your mind.
It's worth checking out so youcan find that link.
But let's go through these,let's go through these
supplements real quick becauseyou don't have to go to our link
in order to understand what theydo, and we can provide some
context for how thesesupplements can support your
body.
And we will share that rightnow.
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I will start with calcium andmagnesium.
'cause that's the first thing inthat protocol.
Magnesium supports that liverenzyme that we talked about in
phase one and phase two of thedetox phases.
It supports regular bowelmovement and calcium actually
helps with pH balance in yourbody too.
And those two minerals workreally well together.
(45:04):
They let.
Calcium and magnesium like to betogether.
They're co-factors.
They use each other'sbioavailability in order to be
absorbed and utilized in thebody.
Kelly (45:14):
The next one are trace minerals, and we're just really
heavy on the mineral aspect,right?
Because a lot of us are verywe're just lacking that our food
is lacking, that our lifestylesare lacking that.
So trace minerals are reallywonderful and they are really
needed.
To detox some of those enzymeswe have.
And so it'll really supportglutathione, really support your
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liver pathways, easy to add intoyour water or drink, you know,
herbal infusions, things likethat.
Great little addition there.
Tiffany (45:43):
Yep.
And then next we have B complex.
B complex is probably on everysingle list that we have for
women's health.
It's just a really importantthing to have on board.
A lot of us are deficient.
There's a lot of crazy.
Signs of deficiency.
So that's important to know, butthis supports methylation and it
supports specifically the liverphase two of the detox process.
(46:04):
And so while there's many otherbenefits of be complex for liver
support specifically, we wannamake sure that that's on board
before we even start with anelimination process.
Kelly (46:16):
Yeah, and I guess on that note, a lot of these things you
may already be taking or you'relike, oh, I only have to add in
a couple extra things, right?
Because you're already on kindof a supplement rotation which
is kind of nice.
So the next one is beef liver,grass fed beef, liver.
So nutrient dense in pill form,right?
It's a very quick, easy way toget some of that really nutrient
dense goodness.
(46:37):
It's gonna support your liver.
With some of that B12 vitamin Acholine iron, it is really
robust.
And so it's a great one to haveon board in some of those
foundational pieces.
Tiffany (46:49):
Yep.
And then next we have threeherbs that can be really helpful
in liver supporting.
We have milk thistle, dandelionnettle.
You guys know that nettle is amajor component in our pregnancy
tea that's not just forpregnancy, it's for postpartum
two, and we have a lot of.
Customers who are taking it forpreconception also milk thistle
protects and regenerates livercells.
(47:10):
That's why you, it's always likeyou hear milk, milk thistle and
you just automatically thinkliver support.
Right?
But it also helps to boost Bflow and that that bile flow is
what is able to actually carrytoxins out.
Of your liver, which isfiltering it into your digestive
system so that you can poop itout.
It's a really cool mechanismthat your body is already trying
(47:31):
to do for you.
Dandelion helps also with thisbile and kidney detox, and it's
also a gentle diuretic, so it'smoving things out of your body,
helping to create that flow.
Nettle is anti-inflammatory.
It supports lymphatic and kidneyfunction.
It does 75 other wonderfulthings.
(47:51):
If there was one herb that Iwould say everyone should take
every single day, it would benettle, and it's just my
personal favorite.
Kelly (47:59):
Yeah, that's'cause it's such like a heavy hitter, very
simple and like can do so muchfor us.
The next one up is choline.
You may have heard a lot aboutcholine.
It is a great aspect for bileproduction in general and then
fat metabolism as well in theliver.
So this is a great one to haveon board through food.
But definitely it just is quiteeasy to take through a
(48:20):
supplement to kind of help someof those foundational pieces of
what the liver's actually.
Trying to do right.
Tiffany (48:27):
Yep.
And then vitamin D three with Ktwo, we specify that because the
form of vitamin D three is animportant part of what your body
can actually utilize.
And K two again is another.
Another bioavailability helper.
It help D three to be.
Fully absorbed and utilized inthe body, but having adequate
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levels of vitamin D just ingeneral supports detox related
immunity.
We love to like zero in on theseone systems and be like, here's
what the liver's doing, let'ssupport that.
But really, like it's a holisticexperience.
There's no vacuum processhappening in our body.
We wanna make sure that we arejust overall well-rounded and
(49:09):
healthy.
So that's a part of it, but italso helps to regulate
inflammation in your body too,which helps your body to be an
efficient detoxer as well.
Kelly (49:17):
Yeah, I love how most of these, like you could take them
for other things also, or again,like be already using them in
different ways and be like, oh,actually now I have a little bit
more
Tiffany (49:26):
I.
Kelly (49:27):
of why it's useful, what I'm taking.
A lot of women don't reallyunderstand why they're taking
what they're taking completely.
So this is a helpful reminderthat we can like step back and
see the purpose of some of thesethings.
Collagen is the next one.
So we love collagen for many,many different reasons.
Great for, you know, protein,all that good stuff.
But it's really helpful tosupport glutathione in your
body, which we've spoken aboutbeing a really helpful aspect of
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what's going on in your liver.
And it is really wonderful foryour gut lining as well, and
which, you know, so much ishappening in the gut from the
gut.
Stemming from that, again, not avacuum, everything's kind of
like interrelated.
And so this is a very easypointed way to help kind of
support the liver through thesupporting partners that it has.
Tiffany (50:13):
Yep.
And then very last is ahomeopathic called sulfur.
And this gently stimulates theliver.
It helps to gently stimulate theskin detox pathways like lymph
and sweating mechanisms.
And so we've, we throw that inthere so that you have this
willy well-rounded approach.
We have mineral profiles, wehave amino acid profiles.
(50:35):
We have, like real foodsupplements like beef, liver and
collagen.
We have vitamin supplements andwe're able to support the system
with all of these.
General and varying pieces.
So you guys can find thisprotocol again in our show notes
or if you're already connectedon full script, you just look
into our community plans thereand search for detox.
(50:57):
That will come right up for you.
And here's the lineup of whatelse we have in the show notes
for you.
I know a lot of you are notlooking at the show notes while
you're listening to this, so ifyou want to get more information
on the drainage pathways, how toopen those up, we have tons of
information on that.
Detox baths.
Detox for hormone imbalance,specifically detox for estrogen
(51:19):
imbalance, specifically detoxwith lymphatic drainage and dry
brushing.
We did a whole or audiotutorial.
It's gonna say oral tutorial.
We were oral.
You will be editorializing thatprotocol so you can actually dry
brush while Kelly walks youthrough those steps, which is
just like a lullaby for your drybrush routine, right?
(51:42):
Then sauna.
We talk about sauna in anepisode two, so you guys can go
grab all of those resources toenjoy the full scope of what
there is to learn and just belike layering in that
information.
There's a lot to learn.
As you start to feel like morecurious about it, you absolutely
can go try to nuance your yourhealth a little bit.
(52:05):
And if you want more support,more handholding, more
community, more specifics,access to Kelly and I asking
questions directly to us gettingfeedback on individual things
that are happening inside yourbody.
As you pursue some of thesepieces for your health, our
membership is the place to be.
You can grab that link in theshow notes too.
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We are so looking forward to having more conversation
about this'cause I think this isone of the things that's
starting to get a lot more.
Awareness around the importanceof, especially as it relates to,
or at least we are talking moreand more about it because we
believe in it so much, how itrelates to what happens and, you
know the health of yourpregnancy, some of the
complications that can happen aswell as into postpartum.
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So it is absolutely worthy ofkind of digging into.
And hopefully this is a greatplace for you ladies to start
and we will catch you next week.
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