October 29, 2025 • 40 mins
Dina, Pastor Greg, and Peter talk about shifting from a mindset of scarcity to one of abundance. They explore practical ways to recognize what you already have, rewire your focus toward gratitude, and respond with open hands—learning to trust God’s provision and live with lighter, freer hearts.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:04):
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our message
series and see what we're takingBeyond Sunday.
I'm Dina Newsome.
And we were just talking about Ihave a new combo of guests
today.
These two gents have not beenhere together.
Go ahead and introduceyourselves.
SPEAKER_04 (00:21):
Hi.
Hi, I'm Peter.
SPEAKER_00 (00:24):
And I'm Greg Griffith.
SPEAKER_04 (00:26):
Nice to be with you all.
SPEAKER_00 (00:27):
I'm a nose breather.
SPEAKER_04 (00:30):
Am I a nose breather?
SPEAKER_00 (00:32):
I can hear it.
I can hear it in the microphone.
SPEAKER_04 (00:35):
Am I nose breathing?
SPEAKER_00 (00:37):
It's some type of breathing.
SPEAKER_04 (00:38):
That's why I don't wear the earphones.
So I don't have to hear people.
No, Lori gets so mad at mychewing.
Yeah.
Because she can hear me chew.
SPEAKER_01 (00:50):
There's like a name for that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (00:52):
So occasionally I'll walk up behind her and just chew
bananas.
Oh boy.
She gets so mad.
There is a name.
SPEAKER_01 (00:58):
Do you chew like when it irritates you, when you
can't stand the sound of peoplechewing?
There's a there's a name.
SPEAKER_04 (01:03):
There's a name.
There is a name for that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05):
I remember.
SPEAKER_04 (01:05):
Yeah, it's like a it's like a syndrome that I
think you can actually likealmost like murder someone, and
then that's a fine defense.
SPEAKER_01 (01:12):
This is a defense because it's not your fault.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
Yeah.
My kids do that.
They love chewing right in ourears.
It is a worse, and it uh it maylead to murder eventually.
SPEAKER_04 (01:24):
Yeah.
So yeah, and I think you can youcan say you heard it here first,
that it's a defense.
That's fine.
SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
That's what we do here, providing you with legal
aid defense for free legal aid.
SPEAKER_04 (01:36):
I would probably say none of the neither of us, no
one in here is a lawyer, nor hasany ability to give true legal
advice.
SPEAKER_01 (01:43):
No.
SPEAKER_04 (01:45):
That was for you, Dave Rattle.
SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
Subtext.
SPEAKER_04 (01:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:50):
All right.
So I don't know if you guys knowthis, but today is National
Chocolate Day.
SPEAKER_04 (01:55):
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (01:56):
Today.
Yeah.
This is a very excited look youhave, Peter.
Are you a chocolate lover?
Do you like chocolate?
I love chocolate.
Yeah.
Okay.
So my question is what's yourfavorite kind of chocolate?
Yeah.
Dark.
Just dark chocolate.
Dark chocolate straight, or isit like chocolate in something?
I know, like you're quite thebaking baked goods connoisseur.
Like, is there something youreally like chocolate on or in?
SPEAKER_00 (02:18):
Or yeah.
Yeah.
Notice she didn't say baker.
I just eat it.
So that's that is somethingbecause there's bakers and
people are like, oh, you're abaker.
No one's like, oh, you eateverything.
SPEAKER_04 (02:35):
Well, they do say that.
It just might not be.
SPEAKER_00 (02:38):
They say it to each other, yeah.
Not to you.
SPEAKER_04 (02:40):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (02:41):
Uh so that's what I hear.
I love all most all thingschocolate.
It'd be hard to come up withsomething I don't.
But yeah, I'll eat straight updark chocolate up to about 90.
90.
And uh, but if 90 pieces?
SPEAKER_04 (02:56):
What do you mean 90?
SPEAKER_00 (02:58):
90% cocoa.
SPEAKER_04 (03:00):
Oh, I didn't realize it was real bitter.
SPEAKER_00 (03:02):
Okay.
Real bitter, yeah.
Like when you get like a littleHershey's dark chocolate, it's
like 43% or something like that.
SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
He does the hard stuff.
That's what you're saying.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:12):
After it.
SPEAKER_01 (03:13):
Like spoonfuls of cocoa powder.
Will you do that?
SPEAKER_00 (03:15):
Like I mean, if you got it here, I'll try it right
now.
All right.
Cocoa, chocolate and anything.
But I recently took a test tofind out which food mess messes
with me.
Yeah.
And chocolate's on my list.
So not good.
Yes.
When I was a teacher, I wouldgive kids extra credit if they
brought me chocolate.
SPEAKER_04 (03:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:35):
Beautiful.
SPEAKER_04 (03:36):
You're not a teacher anymore.
SPEAKER_00 (03:37):
That was many years ago before my stomach issues.
SPEAKER_01 (03:42):
What about you, Greg?
What kind of chocolate?
SPEAKER_04 (03:44):
So I hate chocolate.
Really?
Yeah, I don't like it.
It's probably why I didn't knowthat you can eat 90 pieces.
I don't like it at all.
I like white chocolate.
That's not chocolate.
That's not even, that's likefake.
But I will eat white chocolate.
I love white chocolate.
Um, white chocolate, raspberrycheesecakes, um, white
(04:05):
chocolate, Reese's pieces orpeanut butter cups.
Uh, yeah, anything whitechocolate is fine.
But other like regularchocolate, uh, gross.
Can't stand it.
Makes me thirsty, irritable.
It's not good.
SPEAKER_01 (04:19):
Good.
I will do chocolate just insmall amounts.
I'm not a huge chocolate lover.
I'm not by any means aconnoisseur where I'm like, oh,
this is the real good stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (04:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:30):
You know, but I will, I will take it.
I will have my chocolate inscarcity, not abundance.
How's that for a transitionright there, folks?
Uh-huh.
So we are talking about uh thegiving challenge week four,
Pastor Zach Zender.
That's what this podcast is.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (04:49):
Wasn't sure.
SPEAKER_01 (04:51):
It's the side of the food.
We're gonna start a separatefood one because we always talk
about food.
But um, trading scarcity forabundance was kind of the theme
of our week four this week.
And so what are you guys takingbeyond Sunday from this week?
SPEAKER_00 (05:08):
There it is.
It's just so much breathing.
SPEAKER_04 (05:11):
I think they edit that out.
SPEAKER_00 (05:13):
They uh oh well if they do, then I'm gonna sound
crazy.
Kind of hope they do now.
Um yeah, it was a greatcontinuation on the topic of uh
of giving and generosity.
Uh it's been a convictingseries, and this was another one
(05:34):
uh for me that just leaves mehaving to think about like one,
how blessed I am, and do I do Iin accordance to how much God
has given me give it away.
Uh not just with finances, butalso with uh energy and
(05:56):
positivity and um time and uh II can find myself losing
patience and and not being verygenerous.
So I mean this whole series hasbeen a great great look into
God's word on um just living alifestyle that it gives.
SPEAKER_04 (06:18):
Yeah, I think for me what this week I came away with
is just the reminder of likewe're always to be in margins,
um, nuanced is is good.
I think it's just every subjectis this, right?
Like extremism is never healthy.
So extremism and scarcitymindset, extremism and abundance
(06:40):
mindset, extremism in you know,biblical mindset, like all these
things, it's just never healthy.
And so, so how do you nuance andlive with an attention that's a
healthy responsibility?
And so um, you know, moderationtruly, truly is is uh good and
holy and righteous living.
SPEAKER_01 (07:02):
The thing that really stuck with me about this
week was when Zach was talkingabout the book that he read,
True Riches, that um where thesetwo men were really diving into
tithing and and all types ofthings.
And when he said they kind offlipped it from thinking, how
much do I need to give to howmuch do I need to keep?
Like that stuck with me.
I was like, okay, that'ssomething I can translate to my
(07:23):
regular life where I do think,oh, how much, like, let me
decide the smallest amount thatmaybe I need to give and I'm
comfortable with, you know, butreally can I decide the smallest
amount that I need to keep andgive the rest away?
That was one that hit me hard.
So Zach started out with a storyof beach day.
Have you guys experienced thebeach day with your families
(07:46):
where you pack everything up,take it there, get every, you
know, by the time you geteverything set up, and then it's
time to leave, you get home,have to do all the cleanup and
everything.
And then his flip on that waswhen someone allowed them to
stay at the beach house and youdidn't have the travel there and
the cleanup after, and how muchmore amazing it was to
(08:07):
experience that day.
Um, how did you relate to thisstory or how does that type of
thing happen in other areas ofyour life?
Was there something that itsparked for you?
SPEAKER_00 (08:19):
Yeah, first off, the beach has no allure to me.
Zero percent.
You talked about the sandeverywhere.
Uh totally agree.
Don't need that in my life.
And then if you get into thewater, there's just killers in
there.
Like things that sting you andeat you, and undercurrents and
(08:40):
rocks to bash your head on.
SPEAKER_01 (08:42):
You also don't enjoy swimming.
SPEAKER_00 (08:44):
I can't swim.
So it's the worst thing ever.
I'm I appreciate what God didwith the oceans.
They're beautiful, but just notfor me.
So I yeah, even with the beachhouse, it'd be more of a curse
for me, but I get what Zach wassaying.
Um, I think I think in in in mylife, I do have a tendency to uh
(09:12):
here's an example.
So the Zenders, they love thefun vacation.
And I'm married to a Zender, andso like they will save up all
year to go on a great vacay.
Um, my family we vacatedifferently, so this is a new
type of vacay for me.
And so a couple weeks ago wewent to Cancun, all inclusive.
It was actually really cheapbecause it was um off season and
(09:34):
and uh I went into it with areally bad attitude, and just
like so I wasn't generous withmy attitude, with my
encouragement, with myexcitement, and um, and then it
turned out to be a great vacay,and all inclusive is awesome,
and the kids had a good time,and so it's uh like one of the
takeaways I I took is like goinginto it knowing everything I
(10:00):
have and I have been given byGod really ought to change my
perspective.
It doesn't seem to be workingyet, but it is something like
golly Peter, quit.
I don't think I'm a grumpy gus,but um, there are definitely
times where I can just come intoit kind of pessimistically.
(10:22):
Then God slaps me around alittle bit and I come out and
realize, oh, life isn't too bad.
SPEAKER_04 (10:30):
Yeah, that's that's I that's interesting.
I no, I I like the beach.
I love the beach.
I can I like I enjoy it, I thinkit's fun.
Um, you go in the water and youcan relax, and the Atlantic
Ocean's like being in a bathtubevery single time.
And uh Pacific's a little cold.
Lake Michigan, Lake Michigan,there's nothing stinging you,
(10:51):
there's no fish that are gonnabite you.
It's like being on the ocean.
Um they got sandy beaches.
Oh, yeah, white sandy beaches,the most beautiful Sagatuck,
Michigan, most beautiful whitesandy beaches in America.
Uh, I should say the UnitedStates of America.
So yeah, absolutely gorgeous.
So I I like the beach.
I think you were right though.
The attitude is is kind ofthere.
(11:13):
I mean, I think, you know, ifyou hate it, you hate it.
I had friends that lived onNewport Beach, like literally on
the beach, and we would go everyweekend, and it was awesome.
Didn't fight parking.
We parked it where they were,and you know, you just walked
right out to the beach, but thenlike, you know, you still had
house sand in the house, and youstill had stuff like that.
(11:34):
But it's like it's a beachhouse, it's supposed to be that
way.
So it was great.
I think you're I think the nailon the the nail on the hammer
that you hit is absolutelyright.
SPEAKER_00 (11:46):
That is a crazy way to say that.
SPEAKER_04 (11:48):
That's the idiom.
It's so it's it's it's all aboutyour mindset.
Yeah.
What is your mindset?
How are you, you know, and thatthat's what this whole the
message really was was what isyour mindset?
And um, you know, if you go inand and I will say this, I mean,
uh like I I'm not there, so I Idon't know, but all the stuff
(12:12):
Zach was talking about bringing,like probably 90% of that was
unnecessary.
Like you don't, you know, I'venever no one pops up a tent at
the beach.
I mean, maybe an umbrella, butlike I don't see people bringing
tent.
I'm not sure if he was planningon living there or what.
SPEAKER_00 (12:29):
Yeah, I mean, there was absolutely some
exaggeration.
Yeah, for sure.
But it was great for the story.
SPEAKER_04 (12:34):
Well, it worked perfectly.
Yeah, like I'm not bringing atent to the beach.
SPEAKER_01 (12:38):
I don't know.
Never my daughter brings a kittytent to the beach.
SPEAKER_04 (12:41):
Oh, yeah, but those pop up in two seconds, right?
SPEAKER_01 (12:44):
I mean, they're like the little right just popping
up, yeah, putting it away.
SPEAKER_00 (12:49):
Oh yeah, it is those are yeah, impossible to put
away.
SPEAKER_04 (12:53):
Well, yeah, that's why you leave them and buy a new
one.
SPEAKER_00 (12:55):
When you say kitty tent, are those ones that like
pop up so fast?
SPEAKER_03 (12:58):
Yeah, it's like a little half dome.
Yeah, those are our heads wouldfit in it, but that's it.
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (13:05):
The worst part of beaching is the sunscreen.
As a person who has pale skin, Ihave to sunscreen everywhere,
and then my bald head is worsetoo.
But so that's the part I hate,but I'm not gonna not go.
SPEAKER_00 (13:21):
Yeah, can can you think of a time like if it's not
the beach, w what is a a gift orsomething that you have where
it's like you you don't reallysee it as a gift?
SPEAKER_04 (13:33):
Lori and I have two.
We we we paid a lot of money forwhen we moved here.
We said we need to do somethingtogether here, um, and all those
things.
So we bought inflatable kayaks.
Oh.
So we have two very nice, verylike they can go down uh five uh
(13:53):
star rapids and inflatable, butthey are so much they're heavy,
yeah, because they're twopersons, so we can take four,
they're heavy, um, and they theyhand pump and they just take a
lot of work, and then they takea lot of work to break back down
and put them back into thelittle bag.
(14:15):
And so, like, I think we've usedthem two times, maybe three, in
like six years, and so they theyjust sit in our garage.
We should give those away.
SPEAKER_00 (14:26):
Yeah.
Well, that's actually been agreat takeaway from the series
for my wife and I, Krista and Iare both like, yeah, um, because
yeah, our our house getscluttered, like many people's.
Uh, and then we've always had atendency to go on the Facebook
marketplace, try to sell thesethings off.
SPEAKER_03 (14:41):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:42):
And but it's been exciting to be like, no, let's
just give it away and see whowho wants it.
And uh, when you when you dothat, I mean, there's always so
many people who will take yourfree stuff.
SPEAKER_04 (14:55):
Yeah, do either of you want kayaks?
SPEAKER_01 (14:57):
Not me.
SPEAKER_04 (14:58):
No, not a kayak.
I don't know.
So much fun.
You don't have to swim room.
That's another blow em up andtake it.
Disagreement, Lori and I have.
It's like we'll be in Zerenski.
No.
Where am I gonna in the Zerenskior standing bear?
Gross.
No.
So, like, she's like, Wear yourlife jacket.
I'm like, I'm not wearing mylife jacket.
(15:18):
Like, what's gonna be?
SPEAKER_00 (15:20):
Are you advocating for not wearing life jackets?
SPEAKER_04 (15:22):
Yeah, I'm not gonna wear one in my butt you're a
good swimmer, aren't you?
I good is a relative term.
I mean, can I swim?
Yes, but you can too.
I've watched it's a doggy.
SPEAKER_00 (15:34):
I'm a sinker.
SPEAKER_03 (15:36):
I mean you sink, but you swim near the bottom.
SPEAKER_01 (15:39):
You're tall enough, it's not as much of an issue
here in Nebraska.
There's no place that's thatdeep here.
SPEAKER_03 (15:43):
You can stand in standing bear.
That's why it's called StandingBear Lake.
Oh, that's why you can stand upin it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:49):
Nothing to do with the Native American guy, right?
SPEAKER_01 (15:52):
Absolutely nothing.
SPEAKER_00 (15:53):
He was awesome, actually.
My kids have told me about him.
SPEAKER_01 (15:56):
Really?
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
Yes.
Yeah, because I they told mebecause King of Kings Northwest,
we have a school partnershipwith Standing Bear.
Yeah, and so they're like, Doyou know who Standing Bear is?
We just learned about him.
I was like, No, I don't.
So yeah, it's great.
Look him up, Standing Bear, gooddude.
SPEAKER_01 (16:11):
Awesome.
All right.
So one of the things that Zachreally talked about was the
difference between that scarcitymindset and the abundance
mindset, like you were saying,Greg, it's just about the
mindset.
So, what are your initialthoughts on the contrast between
these two?
Like, and do you find it easierto slip into one or the other?
SPEAKER_04 (16:30):
I mean, I I think I think again that they're
extremes, right?
Like if I'm sitting there going,I'm scarcity mindsetness, and
you know, and and and I'll usethis.
Like when I want to getsomething with someone that's
like, we can't afford that, orlike you know, my kids are be
like, ah, stop being scarcitymindset.
And it's not always that they'rebeing scarcity mindset, they're
(16:51):
just thinking kind of logically,and I'm thinking abundance, like
I really need that next pair ofshoes.
I've got 45 pairs of shoes, halfthe amount that Peter has.
SPEAKER_00 (17:00):
But that's correct.
SPEAKER_04 (17:01):
Um yeah, so I I just think it's like again, it's not
always like only get what youneed.
Because I think I think thatneed like we only buy what you
need.
I I think that's a scarcity or ascarcity mindset, right?
Like at the end of the day, weonly need food, shelter,
(17:22):
clothing, right?
And so so you you always have tohave inflatable kayaks.
You don't need inflatablekayaks, right?
Right, we don't even need threemeals a day, right?
You don't like now they'resaying one meal a day is the
good thing.
I I don't know, that's not me,but um, yeah, so I I just think
like you know, it's easy for Iwill slip more into abundance
(17:44):
than I will scarcity for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (17:47):
And I just said that you just have a more generous
nature.
SPEAKER_04 (17:50):
I do, but even my abundance, so like an area
that's unhealthy for me that Ialways have to watch.
I I don't know where it comesfrom.
It's probably be a very longcounseling session, would be
multiple, would be like myretirement and my savings.
I like it's it's wayoverabundant.
Like I'm like, ah, you know, soum, and I I've got to just
(18:12):
temper that down.
SPEAKER_00 (18:13):
Um, so yeah, I I think there's different seasons.
Um I think if you are young andmarried and um trying to get rid
of your debts and you agree tolive on less, so then you can
climb out from your student debtor credit card debt or car debt
or whatever it is and live withscarcity, like way to go.
SPEAKER_03 (18:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:35):
Uh and and uh I think the biggest thing is
contentment.
Uh am I happy with what God hasgiven me, or do I need more,
more, more?
Where's my identity?
Is it in my stuff or as a childof God?
Um, and then with abundance,it's I I think there's seasons
for that too.
I think it's it's fun to givegood gifts and to celebrate well
(18:59):
and to um really cheer people onand get the matching t-shirts
and whatever it is.
I think I think those are arereally honoring ways to see and
value the people that God hasplaced around you.
Um when I look at because I'mlike, man, I won't what did
Jesus live in?
(19:20):
Well, he clearly didn't havemuch, he traveled with very
little, um, but then likeabundance, like he gave
everything.
So um I I do think there'sseasons for and and Greg, I
think you're spot on that youthe nail on the hammer that you
hit with your finger, orwhatever you said, uh of of
(19:44):
moderation, like there's there'sseasons for everything.
Um, how do we acknowledge thatand ask God like the realization
from a week ago of it's notmine, it belongs to him anyway.
And am I returning my things tohim or am I trying to hoard them
for myself?
SPEAKER_01 (20:03):
I feel like in my younger season of life, I was
much more of an abundancemindset.
And I wanted my kids to haveeverything and I wanted my
neighbors to have everything andthat.
And now as I get older, I findmyself slipping pretty hard
sometimes into that scarcitymindset of, oh, am I gonna have
enough for retirement?
Am I gonna be like, what's thatgonna look like?
(20:26):
Oh, I need to hang on to thisfor X, Y, Z reasons.
And it, this, you're right, thismessage series has been
challenging me of, okay, that'snot, I don't need to live in
that extreme, you know.
I don't need to live in anabundant extreme where I am
giving everything away.
But how do I find that balancethat is honoring both to God and
(20:49):
to my life?
You know, yeah.
Okay, so Zach kind of gave usthree ways to work towards a
more generous mindset.
And I want to just kind of hearyour thoughts on each one.
So the first one he said is torecognize, recognize what you
already have.
How did that speak to you?
SPEAKER_00 (21:12):
Yeah, uh Greg mentioned it earlier.
Uh, I love shoes.
You do lots of them.
I do love shoes.
SPEAKER_04 (21:19):
What's your favorite pair right now?
SPEAKER_00 (21:21):
Right now, you know, so when I was in New Orleans for
the youth gathering, I went to aSkechers and I was like, I'm
wearing Skechers, yeah.
And and I had I was making funof Skecher slippins because I'm
like, this has got to be thelowest form of footwear.
Like, how lazy are we getting?
And I slipped my foot into oneof those slippins, and it was
(21:42):
glorious, really.
And but then I'm like, I've beenlooking online for
decent-looking Sketcher slippinsbecause for me they all felt a
bit geriatric, yeah.
And and I was like frustratedbecause I really want a pair,
and then I went to Ross Dressfor less.
And guess who makes a whole lineof Skecher slippins?
Who?
Snoop Dogg.
SPEAKER_04 (22:03):
Snoop Dogg and Doggy Dog.
SPEAKER_00 (22:07):
So wow, you're wearing them now.
So you can't see it, listeners,but on the bottom of my shoe, it
says Snoop Dogg.
And I Doggy Dog says doggy dog.
Doggy dog.
Doggy dog united.
SPEAKER_04 (22:18):
I'm not gonna put my finger on the inside.
Look at that though.
SPEAKER_00 (22:21):
Yeah, wow, it's green and like it's got that um
beautiful Paisley Pranchy.
But Snoop Dogg Skecher slip ins,they're definitely my favorite.
unknown (22:31):
Wow.
SPEAKER_04 (22:32):
So I and I'll let you get back to your story.
But I the Skechers I'm wearingcame yesterday.
First of all, they were$48,which I always find that's
great.
SPEAKER_00 (22:40):
That's a good price.
SPEAKER_04 (22:41):
Really great price for shoes.
Um, and I bought these thinkingthey were slip-ins, they're not.
Oh disappointment.
Yeah, and but they are they theyare a little geriatric looking,
they are, but like I was findingmy feet were hurting a little
bit, and I was like, they feelgreat.
I'm really liking these rightnow.
Yeah, fashion is second.
SPEAKER_00 (23:01):
So, yeah, how did we get here?
What was the question?
The abundance recognize what youalready have.
SPEAKER_01 (23:08):
How did it speak to you too?
Yeah, this is a way you can readit.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (23:12):
So I have a lot of shoes, I love stuff, I'm a
collector of stuff.
Um, but I always have to remindmyself of what happened in in
October of 2017 when we had ahouse fire and we lost all our
stuff, and I was okay.
And my family was good, and likereally it elevated what really
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matters to me.
And that is just such a goodreminder to me to like the it's
okay for me to have stuff intolike shoes, um, but to like
really give things away and tobe generous with what I have.
SPEAKER_04 (23:49):
Yeah, and I I've shared this and I won't share
this long, but like for me,yeah, I I recognize and I think
when I went to Uganda and justexperienced everyone living
every day with just their fourwalls, which were huts, their
food, and basic clothes, not acloset, but what the wear
(24:14):
clothes to wear.
Um, it just made me realize likeyou know, I don't I don't care
that the garage door doesn'topen for six months.
Like I we we can we can getalong with that.
Um you know it it it's okay thatbecause of hard water or
whatever, that all my sinks havelike this white stuff around
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them, like whatever.
Um, I can get beyond that.
SPEAKER_01 (24:38):
So in this um section, Zach brought up Psalm
21, 23, one, where it says, TheLord is my shepherd, I lack
nothing.
And that is a verse that umstuck with me in a Bible study I
did years ago, and it was partof an Easter study.
And at that time, theencouragement was to do 40 days
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of giving things away.
And so I did a challenge thatwas called 40 bags in 40 days,
where you could do 40 bags ofitems you were donating to a
place, to goodwill, to wherever,you know, and not like giant
garbage bags, but you know,could be little target bags or
whatever.
And I that really I was shockedat the amount of stuff we had
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that I could we could go throughand give away as a family.
And I have tried to continue todo that.
I don't get it done every year,but I try to do 40 items,
whether it's boxes or bags,every like in Lent, as part of
my just preparing my heart forEaster, of realizing that this
isn't the stuff I don't need.
Like Jesus died on the cross forme.
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That's what I need.
And I don't need 45 pairs ofshoes, but I'm not a collector
of it either.
I collect other things.
But I I just am I'm shocked evenwhen I do it one year and then
go back to do it the next year,that I've got 40 bags again.
Where did it all come from?
SPEAKER_04 (26:02):
I I have a good friend who's actually a
minimalist, and um, it's reallyfascinating.
I mean, he's got five t-shirts,five pairs of pants, and no, two
pairs of pants, um, one pair ofshoes.
Like he's he literally is aminimalist.
SPEAKER_01 (26:18):
That is crazy to me.
Interesting, absolutely crazy.
Okay, so the second thing, thesecond way that we can work on a
more generous mindset is torewire your mind.
How did that one strike you?
SPEAKER_04 (26:33):
Yeah, I think I um I would have I and I like he
connected this with renew yourminds.
I would have I would have usedrenew here because this is one
of the gifts I think God hasgiven us with our minds, that
that we can change the way ourminds fire.
You can change your habits, youcan change your thinking, you
can change your disposition, youcan change all things.
(26:55):
I was just actually talking withChad, doing a little coaching
with him, um, and was justtalking about this of like when
when things go poorly for me orthings are bad, or I'm an
achiever.
So when I fail, um I give myselfpermission to have a pity party.
I I have told myself that it canbe no more than two days.
Generally, I choose an hour ortwo, and I'll be like, all
(27:18):
right, you can feel sorry foryourself, you can be upset, you
can be angry, you can have allthe terrible thoughts that you
need to have till 7.15 p.m.
And then at 7.15, that all goesaway.
And you start over and you movepast it.
And uh God's just given us thisgreat ability to change.
This is why we can intermittentfast, you can, you know, change
(27:38):
your eating habits, you canchange your it's your mind is so
powerful.
And so, um, so we can changewhat we think we need or what we
think we want, or even ourspending patterns and how we're
doing things.
SPEAKER_00 (27:51):
That explains why I got all those crazy texts last
night at like seven o'clock.
SPEAKER_03 (27:55):
Yeah, I was done at 715.
SPEAKER_00 (27:57):
Oh my gosh, just kidding.
SPEAKER_01 (27:59):
Penny party over.
unknown (28:00):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (28:00):
Yeah.
No, I uh the idea of where am Ifixing my eyes?
And uh am I fixing my eyes onChrist, the author and perfecter
of my faith, um, or on my wants,even what I think I need.
And so that rewiring is really aum a priority sharpening to um
(28:29):
what's going to give me life anduh what's I mean, maybe take
life from me, but uh at the verybest, it's like neutral.
You know, it's it's I'm notgonna take my things to heaven
with me.
That that verse of lay up yourtreasures in heaven.
Um I sang a song about that whenI was in college, and it was
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just such a good reminder oflike all this stuff that we
think is important now, if itwere gone and all we had was
Christ, would it be enough?
And if I truly examine myself inthat, I think I'd struggle with
that answer.
But the reality is, yes, itwould be enough.
SPEAKER_04 (29:13):
Yeah, and you're a good singer too.
SPEAKER_00 (29:15):
Oh, thanks.
SPEAKER_04 (29:16):
You are you're really good.
SPEAKER_00 (29:17):
I'm not doing it right now.
Don't make me do it.
Oh no, I won't.
SPEAKER_01 (29:21):
Are you gonna sing us out today later?
SPEAKER_00 (29:23):
Yeah, I I I can sing us out.
Okay, absolutely.
SPEAKER_04 (29:25):
But I rewired, like I had an obsession, and it was
an obsession for like four daysof the meta glasses.
Like I was ready.
I was like justifying in my mindwhere I could come up with$399
that Lori wouldn't really careor notice about.
Like I had all these thingsready to go.
(29:46):
And then it was like, I waslike, okay, when would I
actually wear these sunglasses?
And when would I actually dothis?
And I was like, it'd probably befor at the most an hour a day,
maybe two hours into summer.
And I was like, I don't needthese.
Like, I'm I'm okay.
Like, this doesn't isn't gonna,you know.
And so then it was like, okay,stop watching the videos about
(30:09):
them, stop researching them,stop, you know.
And so now, I mean, I brought itup, so I'll probably think more
about it, but but for the mostpart, I don't think about them
at all now.
And like that, which I was likefor three days, like, gosh, if
I'm just even in the vicinity ofwhere I can buy one, I probably
would.
Now I'm kind of like, I don'teven give it a thought, you
know.
(30:29):
So you can rewire your mindpretty renew your mind pretty
easily.
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
Yeah, and what you're putting into your mind,
it really helps with that.
Uh, and this happens to me allthe time.
As a person who like lovesstuff, I'll I'll find that pair
of shoes and then I'll look itup and I'll read the review and
whatever.
And then I'm like, well, ofcourse I need to get this pair
of shoes.
Well, what am I putting into mymind?
It's all that.
If I'm putting into my mind likethings of Christ, God's word, a
great conversation with afriend, uh a great conversation
(30:55):
with someone I don't know yet.
Um, oh my goodness, I'm notreally gonna care about those
that pair of shoes.
I'll care about the people thatGod put around me.
SPEAKER_01 (31:05):
I'm utterly fascinated with how God created
our brains.
Like I'm just fascinated withhow they're wired together and
how easy it is to just go onautopilot on some things.
Like, I don't know if you guysexperienced that.
Like when my kids change school,I would start driving to the old
school.
Oh, yeah, you know, or when Ichanged jobs, I would start
driving, you know, to the wrongplace just out of I was on
(31:27):
autopilot.
And it is not that difficult torenew it.
Yeah.
Um, it just takes a little bitof effort and what you like you
said, what you're putting infront of it.
SPEAKER_04 (31:37):
And my frontal lobe's still forming.
So like I I've got a ways to go.
SPEAKER_01 (31:40):
Because you're only 27?
SPEAKER_00 (31:42):
Right.
Oh, oh, that was a joke.
I was like, how late does thatgo?
SPEAKER_04 (31:49):
All your life.
SPEAKER_01 (31:51):
Maybe for you, Peter, it might be longer.
SPEAKER_04 (31:53):
Just grow a unicorn horn.
Just like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:56):
That's how you can say you're eternally leaning.
SPEAKER_04 (31:58):
Be patient with me.
God's not done yet.
SPEAKER_01 (32:00):
There you go.
There you go.
SPEAKER_04 (32:01):
T-shirt.
SPEAKER_01 (32:03):
All right.
So the third way that um Zachsaid that we can work towards a
more generous mindset is torespond with open hands.
How did that one speak to you?
SPEAKER_00 (32:14):
Yeah, I I thought the prayer that he had us uh at
like at the end of it, like gripyour hands together.
Um, I don't know if he did thatat all campuses or if that was a
Millard thing, but I know I'veI've used that before too, where
I grip my hands and I make themlike a fist and I and I squeeze
them as hard as I can, and I andI pray to God and I say, God,
(32:35):
help me to quit um takingcontrol of my own life.
And then I like name the theareas where I'm trying to take
control, and it takes me alittle while.
And then when I finally let goand let my hands relax, there is
such relief, and it's just thatreminder of like there's freedom
(32:55):
when we quit holding on and andgive things over to God who can
ultimately do something about itand who has for all eternity.
SPEAKER_04 (33:04):
Yeah, it reminded me of a I've used this in a sermon
illustration multiple times, butthere's a uh uh ape in uh Africa
that the poachers, the the trapis the fruit, and as the ape
reaches its hand in, it it cango in easily.
But once it grabs the fruit umand in the fist, the fist is too
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big to come out.
And so then the trap is tied toa tree and the poachers calmly
walk up to it.
The ape knows it's in danger,um, but the ape's mindset is I
can't let go of this food.
This is what I need to live andsurvive, even though in imminent
danger is coming, and then thepoachers just kill it, skin it,
and and move on.
Where if the ape would just letgo of the fruit, it could
(33:51):
escape.
Um, and and that's what happens.
We get to where we hold on tosomething and we think my life
cannot go on without this.
And and my conviction is like wewe get this not only with stuff,
but we even get this withrelationships.
We get this with, you know, andand at the end of the day, it's
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really about us with Jesus andand Jesus.
And that's the most importantrelationship that we have to
have.
And so as a parent, like I wantmy children to do well, but if I
haven't taught them Jesus orI've chosen things that point
away from Jesus for them, I'vemessed up.
Um, and I've I've I've held onto something for them when I'm
(34:36):
I'm in danger and I can escapethat.
SPEAKER_01 (34:38):
So um Zach talked about Luke 12, 48 here, which
I'm gonna misquote it, but it'sthose too much is given, much is
expected.
That kind of this is the versethat I translate into Marvel
language.
I'm a Marvel superhero junkie,and to me, it's the same thing
as with great power comes greatresponsibility.
Like that's what it says to me.
And I thought that was a afitting part for this.
(35:02):
You know, you have to be readyto respond to what God has given
you, but to take care of it, youknow, and treat it with respect
and um share, give generouslywhatever with, you know, being a
steward, like Zach talked aboutlast week, you know, being a
good steward of things.
Um, okay, so as we wrap up heretoday, what are your final
(35:22):
takeaways from this week?
Week four of the givingchallenge.
SPEAKER_04 (35:27):
Yeah, well, mine was I I really I really am big into
this.
And I think if anyone'slistening this week, not if
anyone, all those that arelistening this week, um I I
think a challenge I I foundmyself convicted with was on the
gift card thing, it's great.
I love it.
I did feel like I was like, ah,like for me personally, I was
(35:49):
like, these are like leftovers.
I was like, why don't I reallymake a difference and go buy
some new gift cards and somegift cards with full amounts?
And so I bought a couple ofthose, along with the ones we we
won't use.
And so I think for me, I cameaway with like like I I kind of
was more thinking about like letme give to God first in my
(36:11):
tithes and offerings, which Ido, but then also let me give to
my neighbor first, um, even evengreater.
And so that that was a challengeI was working through with
myself.
SPEAKER_01 (36:20):
Now, if we have a listener that hasn't watched the
service, the service yet, do youwant to explain what the gift
card challenge is?
SPEAKER_04 (36:26):
Yeah, grab grab I grab a new gift card, go buy
one.
Yep.
Um, five, ten, fifteen dollars,twenty five dollars.
What doesn't matter.
Um, and then and then uh bringit to any one of our campuses,
and then in a couple weeks, uhthose those will be all given
away.
And I actually like this.
Like, I think, right, the inActs it talks about the
fellowship of believers gatheredtogether um and and broke bread
(36:49):
together and prayed together,and not a need amongst them was
found.
And sometimes, like, we alwaysthink like, Oh, can't these go
to people with more needsaround?
Yes, but also the church caresfor one another, and so like
there's something really goodabout releasing a burden with
someone right next to you inchurch, or or even just giving
them the ability to go, you knowwhat, kids, this week we are
(37:11):
gonna go get ice cream.
SPEAKER_00 (37:13):
Um yeah, and and I would say, so I'm a person like
every time I get a gift card,I'm like so pumped.
I love it, but it's hard to usethem sometimes, and so what I'm
like, I am gonna go back andlook at I've got some really
great gift cards that I haven'tused in over half a year or a
year.
And um, for me, it's gonna behard to give those away, but
(37:34):
like, Lord, show me which onesto give away.
And then uh yeah, when whenpeople come to church uh in a
couple weeks, they can grab it,you know, like we can't afford
this, or they could say myneighbor certainly can't afford
this.
That's okay.
And grab it and give it to them.
So yeah, a great, greatopportunity for for generosity
there.
SPEAKER_04 (37:55):
Or or even sometimes I think like I, you know, I I
not I think sometimes it's noteven the need of like afford or
not afford, right?
Like imagine this, likesometimes a parent or or we in
our family or with our spouse,it's not that we can't afford
it, but if it's like we get in acar and we say to our kids,
like, hey kids, we're actuallygonna go to Dairy Queen because
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someone donated at the churchand it's gonna be fun.
And there's some joy thathappens in our house and they're
excited.
And it was like, you know what?
It was a long week and we justneeded joy.
We just needed a little, alittle relief, a little
excitement, a little, a littleice cream.
SPEAKER_01 (38:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (38:35):
Or shoe.
SPEAKER_01 (38:36):
Or shoe.
So um I really am uh still kindof chewing on where Zach talked
about uh flipping your mindsetfrom what if I don't have enough
to what if God really is who hesaid he is, and just trusting
him for any everything.
He talked about abundancemindset, a true abundance
(38:58):
mindset is I can liveopen-handed because everything I
need will be provided.
And that's something I want towork towards.
Like I said, I tend to be alittle more scarcity right now.
So that's something I want,which is really just trusting
that God is gonna do what hesaid he will.
Yeah.
Well, thank you guys for beinghere today.
SPEAKER_04 (39:18):
Did my breathing get better?
SPEAKER_00 (39:19):
Yeah, no, yeah, I could tell you were really
concentrated on that.
SPEAKER_04 (39:23):
Really, yeah, that really got to me.
SPEAKER_01 (39:25):
All right, and so as we wrap out, uh wrap up, I'm
ready for your song, Peter.
I'm ready.
SPEAKER_00 (39:29):
Yeah, yeah.
This is the official theme songfor the giving challenge.
Nope, please don't do that.
Okay, because I am coming upwith this.
So it goes like this.
If you want a challenge thattruly is living, follow our
Jesus, go and start giving.
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Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (39:52):
I just how do you do it?
I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (39:53):
How do you do it?
I love it.
SPEAKER_03 (39:54):
I don't know.
Living and giving that one feltgood.
Sometimes they don't work.
That was really good.
That was really good.
SPEAKER_01 (40:01):
Quick sign out until next week.
Let's keep living our lives.
Living our faith beyond Sunday.
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our message
series and see what we're takingBeyond Sunday.
I'm Dina Newsome.
And we were just talking about Ihave a new combo of guests
today.
These two gents have not beenhere together.
Go ahead and introduceyourselves.
SPEAKER_04 (00:21):
Hi.
Hi, I'm Peter.
SPEAKER_00 (00:24):
And I'm Greg Griffith.
SPEAKER_04 (00:26):
Nice to be with you all.
SPEAKER_00 (00:27):
I'm a nose breather.
SPEAKER_04 (00:30):
Am I a nose breather?
SPEAKER_00 (00:32):
I can hear it.
I can hear it in the microphone.
SPEAKER_04 (00:35):
Am I nose breathing?
SPEAKER_00 (00:37):
It's some type of breathing.
SPEAKER_04 (00:38):
That's why I don't wear the earphones.
So I don't have to hear people.
No, Lori gets so mad at mychewing.
Yeah.
Because she can hear me chew.
SPEAKER_01 (00:50):
There's like a name for that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (00:52):
So occasionally I'll walk up behind her and just chew
bananas.
Oh boy.
She gets so mad.
There is a name.
SPEAKER_01 (00:58):
Do you chew like when it irritates you, when you
can't stand the sound of peoplechewing?
There's a there's a name.
SPEAKER_04 (01:03):
There's a name.
There is a name for that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05):
I remember.
SPEAKER_04 (01:05):
Yeah, it's like a it's like a syndrome that I
think you can actually likealmost like murder someone, and
then that's a fine defense.
SPEAKER_01 (01:12):
This is a defense because it's not your fault.
SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
Yeah.
My kids do that.
They love chewing right in ourears.
It is a worse, and it uh it maylead to murder eventually.
SPEAKER_04 (01:24):
Yeah.
So yeah, and I think you can youcan say you heard it here first,
that it's a defense.
That's fine.
SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
That's what we do here, providing you with legal
aid defense for free legal aid.
SPEAKER_04 (01:36):
I would probably say none of the neither of us, no
one in here is a lawyer, nor hasany ability to give true legal
advice.
SPEAKER_01 (01:43):
No.
SPEAKER_04 (01:45):
That was for you, Dave Rattle.
SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
Subtext.
SPEAKER_04 (01:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:50):
All right.
So I don't know if you guys knowthis, but today is National
Chocolate Day.
SPEAKER_04 (01:55):
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (01:56):
Today.
Yeah.
This is a very excited look youhave, Peter.
Are you a chocolate lover?
Do you like chocolate?
I love chocolate.
Yeah.
Okay.
So my question is what's yourfavorite kind of chocolate?
Yeah.
Dark.
Just dark chocolate.
Dark chocolate straight, or isit like chocolate in something?
I know, like you're quite thebaking baked goods connoisseur.
Like, is there something youreally like chocolate on or in?
SPEAKER_00 (02:18):
Or yeah.
Yeah.
Notice she didn't say baker.
I just eat it.
So that's that is somethingbecause there's bakers and
people are like, oh, you're abaker.
No one's like, oh, you eateverything.
SPEAKER_04 (02:35):
Well, they do say that.
It just might not be.
SPEAKER_00 (02:38):
They say it to each other, yeah.
Not to you.
SPEAKER_04 (02:40):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (02:41):
Uh so that's what I hear.
I love all most all thingschocolate.
It'd be hard to come up withsomething I don't.
But yeah, I'll eat straight updark chocolate up to about 90.
90.
And uh, but if 90 pieces?
SPEAKER_04 (02:56):
What do you mean 90?
SPEAKER_00 (02:58):
90% cocoa.
SPEAKER_04 (03:00):
Oh, I didn't realize it was real bitter.
SPEAKER_00 (03:02):
Okay.
Real bitter, yeah.
Like when you get like a littleHershey's dark chocolate, it's
like 43% or something like that.
SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
He does the hard stuff.
That's what you're saying.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:12):
After it.
SPEAKER_01 (03:13):
Like spoonfuls of cocoa powder.
Will you do that?
SPEAKER_00 (03:15):
Like I mean, if you got it here, I'll try it right
now.
All right.
Cocoa, chocolate and anything.
But I recently took a test tofind out which food mess messes
with me.
Yeah.
And chocolate's on my list.
So not good.
Yes.
When I was a teacher, I wouldgive kids extra credit if they
brought me chocolate.
SPEAKER_04 (03:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:35):
Beautiful.
SPEAKER_04 (03:36):
You're not a teacher anymore.
SPEAKER_00 (03:37):
That was many years ago before my stomach issues.
SPEAKER_01 (03:42):
What about you, Greg?
What kind of chocolate?
SPEAKER_04 (03:44):
So I hate chocolate.
Really?
Yeah, I don't like it.
It's probably why I didn't knowthat you can eat 90 pieces.
I don't like it at all.
I like white chocolate.
That's not chocolate.
That's not even, that's likefake.
But I will eat white chocolate.
I love white chocolate.
Um, white chocolate, raspberrycheesecakes, um, white
(04:05):
chocolate, Reese's pieces orpeanut butter cups.
Uh, yeah, anything whitechocolate is fine.
But other like regularchocolate, uh, gross.
Can't stand it.
Makes me thirsty, irritable.
It's not good.
SPEAKER_01 (04:19):
Good.
I will do chocolate just insmall amounts.
I'm not a huge chocolate lover.
I'm not by any means aconnoisseur where I'm like, oh,
this is the real good stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (04:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:30):
You know, but I will, I will take it.
I will have my chocolate inscarcity, not abundance.
How's that for a transitionright there, folks?
Uh-huh.
So we are talking about uh thegiving challenge week four,
Pastor Zach Zender.
That's what this podcast is.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (04:49):
Wasn't sure.
SPEAKER_01 (04:51):
It's the side of the food.
We're gonna start a separatefood one because we always talk
about food.
But um, trading scarcity forabundance was kind of the theme
of our week four this week.
And so what are you guys takingbeyond Sunday from this week?
SPEAKER_00 (05:08):
There it is.
It's just so much breathing.
SPEAKER_04 (05:11):
I think they edit that out.
SPEAKER_00 (05:13):
They uh oh well if they do, then I'm gonna sound
crazy.
Kind of hope they do now.
Um yeah, it was a greatcontinuation on the topic of uh
of giving and generosity.
Uh it's been a convictingseries, and this was another one
(05:34):
uh for me that just leaves mehaving to think about like one,
how blessed I am, and do I do Iin accordance to how much God
has given me give it away.
Uh not just with finances, butalso with uh energy and
(05:56):
positivity and um time and uh II can find myself losing
patience and and not being verygenerous.
So I mean this whole series hasbeen a great great look into
God's word on um just living alifestyle that it gives.
SPEAKER_04 (06:18):
Yeah, I think for me what this week I came away with
is just the reminder of likewe're always to be in margins,
um, nuanced is is good.
I think it's just every subjectis this, right?
Like extremism is never healthy.
So extremism and scarcitymindset, extremism and abundance
(06:40):
mindset, extremism in you know,biblical mindset, like all these
things, it's just never healthy.
And so, so how do you nuance andlive with an attention that's a
healthy responsibility?
And so um, you know, moderationtruly, truly is is uh good and
holy and righteous living.
SPEAKER_01 (07:02):
The thing that really stuck with me about this
week was when Zach was talkingabout the book that he read,
True Riches, that um where thesetwo men were really diving into
tithing and and all types ofthings.
And when he said they kind offlipped it from thinking, how
much do I need to give to howmuch do I need to keep?
Like that stuck with me.
I was like, okay, that'ssomething I can translate to my
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regular life where I do think,oh, how much, like, let me
decide the smallest amount thatmaybe I need to give and I'm
comfortable with, you know, butreally can I decide the smallest
amount that I need to keep andgive the rest away?
That was one that hit me hard.
So Zach started out with a storyof beach day.
Have you guys experienced thebeach day with your families
(07:46):
where you pack everything up,take it there, get every, you
know, by the time you geteverything set up, and then it's
time to leave, you get home,have to do all the cleanup and
everything.
And then his flip on that waswhen someone allowed them to
stay at the beach house and youdidn't have the travel there and
the cleanup after, and how muchmore amazing it was to
(08:07):
experience that day.
Um, how did you relate to thisstory or how does that type of
thing happen in other areas ofyour life?
Was there something that itsparked for you?
SPEAKER_00 (08:19):
Yeah, first off, the beach has no allure to me.
Zero percent.
You talked about the sandeverywhere.
Uh totally agree.
Don't need that in my life.
And then if you get into thewater, there's just killers in
there.
Like things that sting you andeat you, and undercurrents and
(08:40):
rocks to bash your head on.
SPEAKER_01 (08:42):
You also don't enjoy swimming.
SPEAKER_00 (08:44):
I can't swim.
So it's the worst thing ever.
I'm I appreciate what God didwith the oceans.
They're beautiful, but just notfor me.
So I yeah, even with the beachhouse, it'd be more of a curse
for me, but I get what Zach wassaying.
Um, I think I think in in in mylife, I do have a tendency to uh
(09:12):
here's an example.
So the Zenders, they love thefun vacation.
And I'm married to a Zender, andso like they will save up all
year to go on a great vacay.
Um, my family we vacatedifferently, so this is a new
type of vacay for me.
And so a couple weeks ago wewent to Cancun, all inclusive.
It was actually really cheapbecause it was um off season and
(09:34):
and uh I went into it with areally bad attitude, and just
like so I wasn't generous withmy attitude, with my
encouragement, with myexcitement, and um, and then it
turned out to be a great vacay,and all inclusive is awesome,
and the kids had a good time,and so it's uh like one of the
takeaways I I took is like goinginto it knowing everything I
(10:00):
have and I have been given byGod really ought to change my
perspective.
It doesn't seem to be workingyet, but it is something like
golly Peter, quit.
I don't think I'm a grumpy gus,but um, there are definitely
times where I can just come intoit kind of pessimistically.
(10:22):
Then God slaps me around alittle bit and I come out and
realize, oh, life isn't too bad.
SPEAKER_04 (10:30):
Yeah, that's that's I that's interesting.
I no, I I like the beach.
I love the beach.
I can I like I enjoy it, I thinkit's fun.
Um, you go in the water and youcan relax, and the Atlantic
Ocean's like being in a bathtubevery single time.
And uh Pacific's a little cold.
Lake Michigan, Lake Michigan,there's nothing stinging you,
(10:51):
there's no fish that are gonnabite you.
It's like being on the ocean.
Um they got sandy beaches.
Oh, yeah, white sandy beaches,the most beautiful Sagatuck,
Michigan, most beautiful whitesandy beaches in America.
Uh, I should say the UnitedStates of America.
So yeah, absolutely gorgeous.
So I I like the beach.
I think you were right though.
The attitude is is kind ofthere.
(11:13):
I mean, I think, you know, ifyou hate it, you hate it.
I had friends that lived onNewport Beach, like literally on
the beach, and we would go everyweekend, and it was awesome.
Didn't fight parking.
We parked it where they were,and you know, you just walked
right out to the beach, but thenlike, you know, you still had
house sand in the house, and youstill had stuff like that.
(11:34):
But it's like it's a beachhouse, it's supposed to be that
way.
So it was great.
I think you're I think the nailon the the nail on the hammer
that you hit is absolutelyright.
SPEAKER_00 (11:46):
That is a crazy way to say that.
SPEAKER_04 (11:48):
That's the idiom.
It's so it's it's it's all aboutyour mindset.
Yeah.
What is your mindset?
How are you, you know, and thatthat's what this whole the
message really was was what isyour mindset?
And um, you know, if you go inand and I will say this, I mean,
uh like I I'm not there, so I Idon't know, but all the stuff
(12:12):
Zach was talking about bringing,like probably 90% of that was
unnecessary.
Like you don't, you know, I'venever no one pops up a tent at
the beach.
I mean, maybe an umbrella, butlike I don't see people bringing
tent.
I'm not sure if he was planningon living there or what.
SPEAKER_00 (12:29):
Yeah, I mean, there was absolutely some
exaggeration.
Yeah, for sure.
But it was great for the story.
SPEAKER_04 (12:34):
Well, it worked perfectly.
Yeah, like I'm not bringing atent to the beach.
SPEAKER_01 (12:38):
I don't know.
Never my daughter brings a kittytent to the beach.
SPEAKER_04 (12:41):
Oh, yeah, but those pop up in two seconds, right?
SPEAKER_01 (12:44):
I mean, they're like the little right just popping
up, yeah, putting it away.
SPEAKER_00 (12:49):
Oh yeah, it is those are yeah, impossible to put
away.
SPEAKER_04 (12:53):
Well, yeah, that's why you leave them and buy a new
one.
SPEAKER_00 (12:55):
When you say kitty tent, are those ones that like
pop up so fast?
SPEAKER_03 (12:58):
Yeah, it's like a little half dome.
Yeah, those are our heads wouldfit in it, but that's it.
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (13:05):
The worst part of beaching is the sunscreen.
As a person who has pale skin, Ihave to sunscreen everywhere,
and then my bald head is worsetoo.
But so that's the part I hate,but I'm not gonna not go.
SPEAKER_00 (13:21):
Yeah, can can you think of a time like if it's not
the beach, w what is a a gift orsomething that you have where
it's like you you don't reallysee it as a gift?
SPEAKER_04 (13:33):
Lori and I have two.
We we we paid a lot of money forwhen we moved here.
We said we need to do somethingtogether here, um, and all those
things.
So we bought inflatable kayaks.
Oh.
So we have two very nice, verylike they can go down uh five uh
(13:53):
star rapids and inflatable, butthey are so much they're heavy,
yeah, because they're twopersons, so we can take four,
they're heavy, um, and they theyhand pump and they just take a
lot of work, and then they takea lot of work to break back down
and put them back into thelittle bag.
(14:15):
And so, like, I think we've usedthem two times, maybe three, in
like six years, and so they theyjust sit in our garage.
We should give those away.
SPEAKER_00 (14:26):
Yeah.
Well, that's actually been agreat takeaway from the series
for my wife and I, Krista and Iare both like, yeah, um, because
yeah, our our house getscluttered, like many people's.
Uh, and then we've always had atendency to go on the Facebook
marketplace, try to sell thesethings off.
SPEAKER_03 (14:41):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:42):
And but it's been exciting to be like, no, let's
just give it away and see whowho wants it.
And uh, when you when you dothat, I mean, there's always so
many people who will take yourfree stuff.
SPEAKER_04 (14:55):
Yeah, do either of you want kayaks?
SPEAKER_01 (14:57):
Not me.
SPEAKER_04 (14:58):
No, not a kayak.
I don't know.
So much fun.
You don't have to swim room.
That's another blow em up andtake it.
Disagreement, Lori and I have.
It's like we'll be in Zerenski.
No.
Where am I gonna in the Zerenskior standing bear?
Gross.
No.
So, like, she's like, Wear yourlife jacket.
I'm like, I'm not wearing mylife jacket.
(15:18):
Like, what's gonna be?
SPEAKER_00 (15:20):
Are you advocating for not wearing life jackets?
SPEAKER_04 (15:22):
Yeah, I'm not gonna wear one in my butt you're a
good swimmer, aren't you?
I good is a relative term.
I mean, can I swim?
Yes, but you can too.
I've watched it's a doggy.
SPEAKER_00 (15:34):
I'm a sinker.
SPEAKER_03 (15:36):
I mean you sink, but you swim near the bottom.
SPEAKER_01 (15:39):
You're tall enough, it's not as much of an issue
here in Nebraska.
There's no place that's thatdeep here.
SPEAKER_03 (15:43):
You can stand in standing bear.
That's why it's called StandingBear Lake.
Oh, that's why you can stand upin it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:49):
Nothing to do with the Native American guy, right?
SPEAKER_01 (15:52):
Absolutely nothing.
SPEAKER_00 (15:53):
He was awesome, actually.
My kids have told me about him.
SPEAKER_01 (15:56):
Really?
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
Yes.
Yeah, because I they told mebecause King of Kings Northwest,
we have a school partnershipwith Standing Bear.
Yeah, and so they're like, Doyou know who Standing Bear is?
We just learned about him.
I was like, No, I don't.
So yeah, it's great.
Look him up, Standing Bear, gooddude.
SPEAKER_01 (16:11):
Awesome.
All right.
So one of the things that Zachreally talked about was the
difference between that scarcitymindset and the abundance
mindset, like you were saying,Greg, it's just about the
mindset.
So, what are your initialthoughts on the contrast between
these two?
Like, and do you find it easierto slip into one or the other?
SPEAKER_04 (16:30):
I mean, I I think I think again that they're
extremes, right?
Like if I'm sitting there going,I'm scarcity mindsetness, and
you know, and and and I'll usethis.
Like when I want to getsomething with someone that's
like, we can't afford that, orlike you know, my kids are be
like, ah, stop being scarcitymindset.
And it's not always that they'rebeing scarcity mindset, they're
(16:51):
just thinking kind of logically,and I'm thinking abundance, like
I really need that next pair ofshoes.
I've got 45 pairs of shoes, halfthe amount that Peter has.
SPEAKER_00 (17:00):
But that's correct.
SPEAKER_04 (17:01):
Um yeah, so I I just think it's like again, it's not
always like only get what youneed.
Because I think I think thatneed like we only buy what you
need.
I I think that's a scarcity or ascarcity mindset, right?
Like at the end of the day, weonly need food, shelter,
(17:22):
clothing, right?
And so so you you always have tohave inflatable kayaks.
You don't need inflatablekayaks, right?
Right, we don't even need threemeals a day, right?
You don't like now they'resaying one meal a day is the
good thing.
I I don't know, that's not me,but um, yeah, so I I just think
like you know, it's easy for Iwill slip more into abundance
(17:44):
than I will scarcity for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (17:47):
And I just said that you just have a more generous
nature.
SPEAKER_04 (17:50):
I do, but even my abundance, so like an area
that's unhealthy for me that Ialways have to watch.
I I don't know where it comesfrom.
It's probably be a very longcounseling session, would be
multiple, would be like myretirement and my savings.
I like it's it's wayoverabundant.
Like I'm like, ah, you know, soum, and I I've got to just
(18:12):
temper that down.
SPEAKER_00 (18:13):
Um, so yeah, I I think there's different seasons.
Um I think if you are young andmarried and um trying to get rid
of your debts and you agree tolive on less, so then you can
climb out from your student debtor credit card debt or car debt
or whatever it is and live withscarcity, like way to go.
SPEAKER_03 (18:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:35):
Uh and and uh I think the biggest thing is
contentment.
Uh am I happy with what God hasgiven me, or do I need more,
more, more?
Where's my identity?
Is it in my stuff or as a childof God?
Um, and then with abundance,it's I I think there's seasons
for that too.
I think it's it's fun to givegood gifts and to celebrate well
(18:59):
and to um really cheer people onand get the matching t-shirts
and whatever it is.
I think I think those are arereally honoring ways to see and
value the people that God hasplaced around you.
Um when I look at because I'mlike, man, I won't what did
Jesus live in?
(19:20):
Well, he clearly didn't havemuch, he traveled with very
little, um, but then likeabundance, like he gave
everything.
So um I I do think there'sseasons for and and Greg, I
think you're spot on that youthe nail on the hammer that you
hit with your finger, orwhatever you said, uh of of
(19:44):
moderation, like there's there'sseasons for everything.
Um, how do we acknowledge thatand ask God like the realization
from a week ago of it's notmine, it belongs to him anyway.
And am I returning my things tohim or am I trying to hoard them
for myself?
SPEAKER_01 (20:03):
I feel like in my younger season of life, I was
much more of an abundancemindset.
And I wanted my kids to haveeverything and I wanted my
neighbors to have everything andthat.
And now as I get older, I findmyself slipping pretty hard
sometimes into that scarcitymindset of, oh, am I gonna have
enough for retirement?
Am I gonna be like, what's thatgonna look like?
(20:26):
Oh, I need to hang on to thisfor X, Y, Z reasons.
And it, this, you're right, thismessage series has been
challenging me of, okay, that'snot, I don't need to live in
that extreme, you know.
I don't need to live in anabundant extreme where I am
giving everything away.
But how do I find that balancethat is honoring both to God and
(20:49):
to my life?
You know, yeah.
Okay, so Zach kind of gave usthree ways to work towards a
more generous mindset.
And I want to just kind of hearyour thoughts on each one.
So the first one he said is torecognize, recognize what you
already have.
How did that speak to you?
SPEAKER_00 (21:12):
Yeah, uh Greg mentioned it earlier.
Uh, I love shoes.
You do lots of them.
I do love shoes.
SPEAKER_04 (21:19):
What's your favorite pair right now?
SPEAKER_00 (21:21):
Right now, you know, so when I was in New Orleans for
the youth gathering, I went to aSkechers and I was like, I'm
wearing Skechers, yeah.
And and I had I was making funof Skecher slippins because I'm
like, this has got to be thelowest form of footwear.
Like, how lazy are we getting?
And I slipped my foot into oneof those slippins, and it was
(21:42):
glorious, really.
And but then I'm like, I've beenlooking online for
decent-looking Sketcher slippinsbecause for me they all felt a
bit geriatric, yeah.
And and I was like frustratedbecause I really want a pair,
and then I went to Ross Dressfor less.
And guess who makes a whole lineof Skecher slippins?
Who?
Snoop Dogg.
SPEAKER_04 (22:03):
Snoop Dogg and Doggy Dog.
SPEAKER_00 (22:07):
So wow, you're wearing them now.
So you can't see it, listeners,but on the bottom of my shoe, it
says Snoop Dogg.
And I Doggy Dog says doggy dog.
Doggy dog.
Doggy dog united.
SPEAKER_04 (22:18):
I'm not gonna put my finger on the inside.
Look at that though.
SPEAKER_00 (22:21):
Yeah, wow, it's green and like it's got that um
beautiful Paisley Pranchy.
But Snoop Dogg Skecher slip ins,they're definitely my favorite.
unknown (22:31):
Wow.
SPEAKER_04 (22:32):
So I and I'll let you get back to your story.
But I the Skechers I'm wearingcame yesterday.
First of all, they were$48,which I always find that's
great.
SPEAKER_00 (22:40):
That's a good price.
SPEAKER_04 (22:41):
Really great price for shoes.
Um, and I bought these thinkingthey were slip-ins, they're not.
Oh disappointment.
Yeah, and but they are they theyare a little geriatric looking,
they are, but like I was findingmy feet were hurting a little
bit, and I was like, they feelgreat.
I'm really liking these rightnow.
Yeah, fashion is second.
SPEAKER_00 (23:01):
So, yeah, how did we get here?
What was the question?
The abundance recognize what youalready have.
SPEAKER_01 (23:08):
How did it speak to you too?
Yeah, this is a way you can readit.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (23:12):
So I have a lot of shoes, I love stuff, I'm a
collector of stuff.
Um, but I always have to remindmyself of what happened in in
October of 2017 when we had ahouse fire and we lost all our
stuff, and I was okay.
And my family was good, and likereally it elevated what really
(23:33):
matters to me.
And that is just such a goodreminder to me to like the it's
okay for me to have stuff intolike shoes, um, but to like
really give things away and tobe generous with what I have.
SPEAKER_04 (23:49):
Yeah, and I I've shared this and I won't share
this long, but like for me,yeah, I I recognize and I think
when I went to Uganda and justexperienced everyone living
every day with just their fourwalls, which were huts, their
food, and basic clothes, not acloset, but what the wear
(24:14):
clothes to wear.
Um, it just made me realize likeyou know, I don't I don't care
that the garage door doesn'topen for six months.
Like I we we can we can getalong with that.
Um you know it it it's okay thatbecause of hard water or
whatever, that all my sinks havelike this white stuff around
(24:35):
them, like whatever.
Um, I can get beyond that.
SPEAKER_01 (24:38):
So in this um section, Zach brought up Psalm
21, 23, one, where it says, TheLord is my shepherd, I lack
nothing.
And that is a verse that umstuck with me in a Bible study I
did years ago, and it was partof an Easter study.
And at that time, theencouragement was to do 40 days
(24:59):
of giving things away.
And so I did a challenge thatwas called 40 bags in 40 days,
where you could do 40 bags ofitems you were donating to a
place, to goodwill, to wherever,you know, and not like giant
garbage bags, but you know,could be little target bags or
whatever.
And I that really I was shockedat the amount of stuff we had
(25:22):
that I could we could go throughand give away as a family.
And I have tried to continue todo that.
I don't get it done every year,but I try to do 40 items,
whether it's boxes or bags,every like in Lent, as part of
my just preparing my heart forEaster, of realizing that this
isn't the stuff I don't need.
Like Jesus died on the cross forme.
(25:43):
That's what I need.
And I don't need 45 pairs ofshoes, but I'm not a collector
of it either.
I collect other things.
But I I just am I'm shocked evenwhen I do it one year and then
go back to do it the next year,that I've got 40 bags again.
Where did it all come from?
SPEAKER_04 (26:02):
I I have a good friend who's actually a
minimalist, and um, it's reallyfascinating.
I mean, he's got five t-shirts,five pairs of pants, and no, two
pairs of pants, um, one pair ofshoes.
Like he's he literally is aminimalist.
SPEAKER_01 (26:18):
That is crazy to me.
Interesting, absolutely crazy.
Okay, so the second thing, thesecond way that we can work on a
more generous mindset is torewire your mind.
How did that one strike you?
SPEAKER_04 (26:33):
Yeah, I think I um I would have I and I like he
connected this with renew yourminds.
I would have I would have usedrenew here because this is one
of the gifts I think God hasgiven us with our minds, that
that we can change the way ourminds fire.
You can change your habits, youcan change your thinking, you
can change your disposition, youcan change all things.
(26:55):
I was just actually talking withChad, doing a little coaching
with him, um, and was justtalking about this of like when
when things go poorly for me orthings are bad, or I'm an
achiever.
So when I fail, um I give myselfpermission to have a pity party.
I I have told myself that it canbe no more than two days.
Generally, I choose an hour ortwo, and I'll be like, all
(27:18):
right, you can feel sorry foryourself, you can be upset, you
can be angry, you can have allthe terrible thoughts that you
need to have till 7.15 p.m.
And then at 7.15, that all goesaway.
And you start over and you movepast it.
And uh God's just given us thisgreat ability to change.
This is why we can intermittentfast, you can, you know, change
(27:38):
your eating habits, you canchange your it's your mind is so
powerful.
And so, um, so we can changewhat we think we need or what we
think we want, or even ourspending patterns and how we're
doing things.
SPEAKER_00 (27:51):
That explains why I got all those crazy texts last
night at like seven o'clock.
SPEAKER_03 (27:55):
Yeah, I was done at 715.
SPEAKER_00 (27:57):
Oh my gosh, just kidding.
SPEAKER_01 (27:59):
Penny party over.
unknown (28:00):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (28:00):
Yeah.
No, I uh the idea of where am Ifixing my eyes?
And uh am I fixing my eyes onChrist, the author and perfecter
of my faith, um, or on my wants,even what I think I need.
And so that rewiring is really aum a priority sharpening to um
(28:29):
what's going to give me life anduh what's I mean, maybe take
life from me, but uh at the verybest, it's like neutral.
You know, it's it's I'm notgonna take my things to heaven
with me.
That that verse of lay up yourtreasures in heaven.
Um I sang a song about that whenI was in college, and it was
(28:52):
just such a good reminder oflike all this stuff that we
think is important now, if itwere gone and all we had was
Christ, would it be enough?
And if I truly examine myself inthat, I think I'd struggle with
that answer.
But the reality is, yes, itwould be enough.
SPEAKER_04 (29:13):
Yeah, and you're a good singer too.
SPEAKER_00 (29:15):
Oh, thanks.
SPEAKER_04 (29:16):
You are you're really good.
SPEAKER_00 (29:17):
I'm not doing it right now.
Don't make me do it.
Oh no, I won't.
SPEAKER_01 (29:21):
Are you gonna sing us out today later?
SPEAKER_00 (29:23):
Yeah, I I I can sing us out.
Okay, absolutely.
SPEAKER_04 (29:25):
But I rewired, like I had an obsession, and it was
an obsession for like four daysof the meta glasses.
Like I was ready.
I was like justifying in my mindwhere I could come up with$399
that Lori wouldn't really careor notice about.
Like I had all these thingsready to go.
(29:46):
And then it was like, I waslike, okay, when would I
actually wear these sunglasses?
And when would I actually dothis?
And I was like, it'd probably befor at the most an hour a day,
maybe two hours into summer.
And I was like, I don't needthese.
Like, I'm I'm okay.
Like, this doesn't isn't gonna,you know.
And so then it was like, okay,stop watching the videos about
(30:09):
them, stop researching them,stop, you know.
And so now, I mean, I brought itup, so I'll probably think more
about it, but but for the mostpart, I don't think about them
at all now.
And like that, which I was likefor three days, like, gosh, if
I'm just even in the vicinity ofwhere I can buy one, I probably
would.
Now I'm kind of like, I don'teven give it a thought, you
know.
(30:29):
So you can rewire your mindpretty renew your mind pretty
easily.
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
Yeah, and what you're putting into your mind,
it really helps with that.
Uh, and this happens to me allthe time.
As a person who like lovesstuff, I'll I'll find that pair
of shoes and then I'll look itup and I'll read the review and
whatever.
And then I'm like, well, ofcourse I need to get this pair
of shoes.
Well, what am I putting into mymind?
It's all that.
If I'm putting into my mind likethings of Christ, God's word, a
great conversation with afriend, uh a great conversation
(30:55):
with someone I don't know yet.
Um, oh my goodness, I'm notreally gonna care about those
that pair of shoes.
I'll care about the people thatGod put around me.
SPEAKER_01 (31:05):
I'm utterly fascinated with how God created
our brains.
Like I'm just fascinated withhow they're wired together and
how easy it is to just go onautopilot on some things.
Like, I don't know if you guysexperienced that.
Like when my kids change school,I would start driving to the old
school.
Oh, yeah, you know, or when Ichanged jobs, I would start
driving, you know, to the wrongplace just out of I was on
(31:27):
autopilot.
And it is not that difficult torenew it.
Yeah.
Um, it just takes a little bitof effort and what you like you
said, what you're putting infront of it.
SPEAKER_04 (31:37):
And my frontal lobe's still forming.
So like I I've got a ways to go.
SPEAKER_01 (31:40):
Because you're only 27?
SPEAKER_00 (31:42):
Right.
Oh, oh, that was a joke.
I was like, how late does thatgo?
SPEAKER_04 (31:49):
All your life.
SPEAKER_01 (31:51):
Maybe for you, Peter, it might be longer.
SPEAKER_04 (31:53):
Just grow a unicorn horn.
Just like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:56):
That's how you can say you're eternally leaning.
SPEAKER_04 (31:58):
Be patient with me.
God's not done yet.
SPEAKER_01 (32:00):
There you go.
There you go.
SPEAKER_04 (32:01):
T-shirt.
SPEAKER_01 (32:03):
All right.
So the third way that um Zachsaid that we can work towards a
more generous mindset is torespond with open hands.
How did that one speak to you?
SPEAKER_00 (32:14):
Yeah, I I thought the prayer that he had us uh at
like at the end of it, like gripyour hands together.
Um, I don't know if he did thatat all campuses or if that was a
Millard thing, but I know I'veI've used that before too, where
I grip my hands and I make themlike a fist and I and I squeeze
them as hard as I can, and I andI pray to God and I say, God,
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help me to quit um takingcontrol of my own life.
And then I like name the theareas where I'm trying to take
control, and it takes me alittle while.
And then when I finally let goand let my hands relax, there is
such relief, and it's just thatreminder of like there's freedom
(32:55):
when we quit holding on and andgive things over to God who can
ultimately do something about itand who has for all eternity.
SPEAKER_04 (33:04):
Yeah, it reminded me of a I've used this in a sermon
illustration multiple times, butthere's a uh uh ape in uh Africa
that the poachers, the the trapis the fruit, and as the ape
reaches its hand in, it it cango in easily.
But once it grabs the fruit umand in the fist, the fist is too
(33:28):
big to come out.
And so then the trap is tied toa tree and the poachers calmly
walk up to it.
The ape knows it's in danger,um, but the ape's mindset is I
can't let go of this food.
This is what I need to live andsurvive, even though in imminent
danger is coming, and then thepoachers just kill it, skin it,
and and move on.
Where if the ape would just letgo of the fruit, it could
(33:51):
escape.
Um, and and that's what happens.
We get to where we hold on tosomething and we think my life
cannot go on without this.
And and my conviction is like wewe get this not only with stuff,
but we even get this withrelationships.
We get this with, you know, andand at the end of the day, it's
(34:15):
really about us with Jesus andand Jesus.
And that's the most importantrelationship that we have to
have.
And so as a parent, like I wantmy children to do well, but if I
haven't taught them Jesus orI've chosen things that point
away from Jesus for them, I'vemessed up.
Um, and I've I've I've held onto something for them when I'm
(34:36):
I'm in danger and I can escapethat.
SPEAKER_01 (34:38):
So um Zach talked about Luke 12, 48 here, which
I'm gonna misquote it, but it'sthose too much is given, much is
expected.
That kind of this is the versethat I translate into Marvel
language.
I'm a Marvel superhero junkie,and to me, it's the same thing
as with great power comes greatresponsibility.
Like that's what it says to me.
And I thought that was a afitting part for this.
(35:02):
You know, you have to be readyto respond to what God has given
you, but to take care of it, youknow, and treat it with respect
and um share, give generouslywhatever with, you know, being a
steward, like Zach talked aboutlast week, you know, being a
good steward of things.
Um, okay, so as we wrap up heretoday, what are your final
(35:22):
takeaways from this week?
Week four of the givingchallenge.
SPEAKER_04 (35:27):
Yeah, well, mine was I I really I really am big into
this.
And I think if anyone'slistening this week, not if
anyone, all those that arelistening this week, um I I
think a challenge I I foundmyself convicted with was on the
gift card thing, it's great.
I love it.
I did feel like I was like, ah,like for me personally, I was
(35:49):
like, these are like leftovers.
I was like, why don't I reallymake a difference and go buy
some new gift cards and somegift cards with full amounts?
And so I bought a couple ofthose, along with the ones we we
won't use.
And so I think for me, I cameaway with like like I I kind of
was more thinking about like letme give to God first in my
(36:11):
tithes and offerings, which Ido, but then also let me give to
my neighbor first, um, even evengreater.
And so that that was a challengeI was working through with
myself.
SPEAKER_01 (36:20):
Now, if we have a listener that hasn't watched the
service, the service yet, do youwant to explain what the gift
card challenge is?
SPEAKER_04 (36:26):
Yeah, grab grab I grab a new gift card, go buy
one.
Yep.
Um, five, ten, fifteen dollars,twenty five dollars.
What doesn't matter.
Um, and then and then uh bringit to any one of our campuses,
and then in a couple weeks, uhthose those will be all given
away.
And I actually like this.
Like, I think, right, the inActs it talks about the
fellowship of believers gatheredtogether um and and broke bread
(36:49):
together and prayed together,and not a need amongst them was
found.
And sometimes, like, we alwaysthink like, Oh, can't these go
to people with more needsaround?
Yes, but also the church caresfor one another, and so like
there's something really goodabout releasing a burden with
someone right next to you inchurch, or or even just giving
them the ability to go, you knowwhat, kids, this week we are
(37:11):
gonna go get ice cream.
SPEAKER_00 (37:13):
Um yeah, and and I would say, so I'm a person like
every time I get a gift card,I'm like so pumped.
I love it, but it's hard to usethem sometimes, and so what I'm
like, I am gonna go back andlook at I've got some really
great gift cards that I haven'tused in over half a year or a
year.
And um, for me, it's gonna behard to give those away, but
(37:34):
like, Lord, show me which onesto give away.
And then uh yeah, when whenpeople come to church uh in a
couple weeks, they can grab it,you know, like we can't afford
this, or they could say myneighbor certainly can't afford
this.
That's okay.
And grab it and give it to them.
So yeah, a great, greatopportunity for for generosity
there.
SPEAKER_04 (37:55):
Or or even sometimes I think like I, you know, I I
not I think sometimes it's noteven the need of like afford or
not afford, right?
Like imagine this, likesometimes a parent or or we in
our family or with our spouse,it's not that we can't afford
it, but if it's like we get in acar and we say to our kids,
like, hey kids, we're actuallygonna go to Dairy Queen because
(38:17):
someone donated at the churchand it's gonna be fun.
And there's some joy thathappens in our house and they're
excited.
And it was like, you know what?
It was a long week and we justneeded joy.
We just needed a little, alittle relief, a little
excitement, a little, a littleice cream.
SPEAKER_01 (38:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (38:35):
Or shoe.
SPEAKER_01 (38:36):
Or shoe.
So um I really am uh still kindof chewing on where Zach talked
about uh flipping your mindsetfrom what if I don't have enough
to what if God really is who hesaid he is, and just trusting
him for any everything.
He talked about abundancemindset, a true abundance
(38:58):
mindset is I can liveopen-handed because everything I
need will be provided.
And that's something I want towork towards.
Like I said, I tend to be alittle more scarcity right now.
So that's something I want,which is really just trusting
that God is gonna do what hesaid he will.
Yeah.
Well, thank you guys for beinghere today.
SPEAKER_04 (39:18):
Did my breathing get better?
SPEAKER_00 (39:19):
Yeah, no, yeah, I could tell you were really
concentrated on that.
SPEAKER_04 (39:23):
Really, yeah, that really got to me.
SPEAKER_01 (39:25):
All right, and so as we wrap out, uh wrap up, I'm
ready for your song, Peter.
I'm ready.
SPEAKER_00 (39:29):
Yeah, yeah.
This is the official theme songfor the giving challenge.
Nope, please don't do that.
Okay, because I am coming upwith this.
So it goes like this.
If you want a challenge thattruly is living, follow our
Jesus, go and start giving.
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Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (39:52):
I just how do you do it?
I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (39:53):
How do you do it?
I love it.
SPEAKER_03 (39:54):
I don't know.
Living and giving that one feltgood.
Sometimes they don't work.
That was really good.
That was really good.
SPEAKER_01 (40:01):
Quick sign out until next week.
Let's keep living our lives.
Living our faith beyond Sunday.
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