November 12, 2025 • 30 mins
What if the biggest blind spot in our lives isn’t what we spend, but what we love? We gathered an all-women panel to talk about how greed hides in everyday choices, why gratitude is more than a mood, and how small, consistent acts of generosity retrain the heart. From funny driving confessions to sobering stories about entitlement, we trace the subtle ways culture normalizes greed—and how Scripture cuts through the fog.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:04):
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our message
series and see what we're takingBeyond Sunday.
It is ladies' day today.
Our panel is all women.
Go ahead and introduceyourselves, ladies.
SPEAKER_02 (00:19):
I'm Kate Solberg, and I'm the Associate Campus
Director of our NorthwestCampus.
Woohoo!
SPEAKER_00 (00:24):
And I'm Julie Easley.
I'm the executive director hereat King of Kings.
SPEAKER_01 (00:27):
I'm Dina Newsome here with you every week.
Um, you know, for our startingquestion today, one of the
things that Zach talked about atthe very beginning of this
week's message was asking peopleif they thought they were a good
driver.
And then he gave a quote thatinsurance companies feel that
women are safer drivers thanmen.
My question for you is are you agood driver or not a good
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driver?
SPEAKER_00 (00:50):
Well, be honest.
I'm a I'm a fast driver.
I've probably gotten eighttickets in my life.
Oh, Julie.
Less, less as I've gotten older.
And the guys always make fun ofme here at work because I do
have a little bit of a pullinginto the parking space problem.
Um, it's I've gotten mean notes.
(01:12):
I got a mean note on my car fromsomeone, yes, who who wrote
learn how to drive and stuck iton my windshield.
So I don't know.
I but I haven't been in manyaccidents, so I've maybe one.
I guess I'm I'm probably one ofthose like middle of the road
types.
Not awesome, but not horrible.
SPEAKER_02 (01:32):
I definitely have gotten slower as I get older.
I do not drive quickly.
I am always thinking a kid'sgonna dart in front of me.
So I've always lived inneighborhoods with little kids,
which makes me super paranoid.
Yeah.
And then when you teach yourkids how to drive, the worst.
That is a whole nother level.
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So both of my kids would tellyou, like, she drives slow.
So I'm like, I don't like to bein a hurry.
So I think when you driveslower, you are a better driver.
I don't drive under the speedlimit, but there have been times
where people have passed me andlooked at me like, pick it up,
lady.
Which to them, I say, I am inthe right lane.
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So go around me if necessary.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:18):
It's good.
How about you?
I'm a grandma driver, but I'm agrandma.
So, you know, it works, it worksout.
I used to be when I was younger,I was a horrible driver.
Like I would do everything whiledriving.
I can, when I was in highschool, I would put my makeup on
in the car while I was drivingto school.
I can't even imagine the numberof accidents that God wanted me
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to be here today because I musthave narrowly avoided many.
And I was an impatient whereyou'd pull up really fast, you
know, and try to pass people,but then you'd end up at the
stoplight right next to the samepeople that were going slow.
I always love to look over atthem and be like, here we both
are.
Which I finally came to therealization that doing that
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doesn't get you there anyfaster.
And now I am a very, I'm apretty slow driver.
If I'm not in the right lane andwe're coming up on the turn, I
won't fight to get over.
I'll circle around, we'll takethe scenic route, we'll what's
the hurry?
It drives my kids nuts.
I need to.
SPEAKER_00 (03:19):
I need to take lessons from my son once said to
me, if I could give you anygift, it would be that everyone
drives exactly the way you wantthem to on the road.
SPEAKER_02 (03:28):
That's hilarious.
SPEAKER_00 (03:30):
It's also convicting.
SPEAKER_02 (03:32):
My my son loves to like be ready to honk the
instant it turns greedy.
Oh, just to annoy people.
And I'm like, oh wow.
You might take off the wrongperson one day.
SPEAKER_01 (03:45):
All right.
Well, switching from driving togenerosity, we just finished
week six of the givingchallenge.
This has been a fabulous sixweeks.
And this week we were talkingabout trading grasping for
gratitude.
And Pastor Zach Sender took usthrough the final week of this.
What are you guys taking beyondSunday from this week?
SPEAKER_00 (04:06):
I was thinking about things that I can be repentant
for before the Lord.
And it's true.
I don't think I've ever prayedabout my greed.
So when he was saying that, likeno one confesses.
I'm like, I don't know if I'veconfessed that to the Lord very
much at all.
So that was sobering.
And just being just more awareof things that I assume would be
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my right to have or to own, orwhat would make a great life for
me that I'm somehow owed.
SPEAKER_02 (04:35):
Definitely.
I thought about that a lot.
There was a quote he said, Doyou have money or does money
have you?
And I thought that was a wisequestion to ponder.
So that was one little piece Itook.
SPEAKER_01 (04:48):
I really enjoyed the uh loincloth story that he told
at the start, how this mancreated this whole town and
systems and crops andeverything.
And when the master came back,he said, Well, it was the only
way I could keep my loinclothclean.
Yes.
And I think, how often do I dothat?
Do I create this whole set ofsomething to do a very small
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thing that maybe is just veryhumbling or very work on myself
instead of just owning it anddoing it?
SPEAKER_00 (05:19):
Yeah, it's good.
SPEAKER_01 (05:21):
One of the things that Zach um started out with
was he thinks that the greatAmerican blind spot is greed.
Do you agree, or what are yourthoughts on that?
SPEAKER_00 (05:31):
I do think it's just like the water that we swim in
is just so consumeristic and youget down that road a little ways
and it can just suck you in likea vortex.
I remember when we moved intoour new house, we had never in
our married life, we've beenmarried 30 years, I'd never had
like a like a bedroom set, youknow, with like a headboard or
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matching side tables.
And I remember saying to Dale,I'm a full grown-up now, and I'm
getting one of these because Ideserve it after all this time.
And I, you know what?
It's not really true.
I and I did get it.
So true confessions, I do nowhave a bedroom set.
But I it was like I was owed itbecause I had lived a certain
amount of time, and it's justwhat grown-ups do.
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Well, I'm sure there are plentyof grown-ups all over the world
who don't have a matchingbedroom set, but I just felt so
entitled to it.
SPEAKER_02 (06:25):
Agree.
Yeah, in America, you're I feellike you're gonna be greedy
unless you fight against it.
Like it is just our culture,it's social media, it's the TV
and commercials we it's justprevalent.
Yeah.
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And it's the natural way to go.
And I live in the uncomfortableposition of having two children
at opposite ends of thespectrum.
So I I won't name names, but onechild wants multiple new things
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daily, and it's a necessitywhile the other child could
easily be wearing clothing thatthat child outgrew years ago.
SPEAKER_00 (07:17):
So interesting.
SPEAKER_02 (07:19):
That I need to point out like those might need to be
retired or burned.
SPEAKER_00 (07:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (07:26):
So I'm like, man, how do you raise two children
exactly the same?
Like, this is the product.
SPEAKER_00 (07:33):
Yeah, it's interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (07:35):
Yeah.
I started thinking about thisand felt very convicted in my
parenting.
I don't, I mean, yes, I wasgreedy.
Yes, I wanted things for myself,like as we were, you know,
getting our family and ourfamily was growing and bought a
house and stuff.
But I think of the things that Ithought my kids had to have.
I mean, like at one point, I hadthree children in my house at
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the same time.
And all three of them had, well,two of them had a computer in
their room.
One of them had like a smallhandheld game system.
They all had TVs in their rooms.
Like, and I just think, howunnecessary is that?
Because we also had TVs andcomputers elsewhere in the
house.
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Now, were they brand new, thefanciest?
You know what I mean?
Like, no.
But I just thought that whenZach was talking about the
average child has 240-some toysor something.
I was like, oh no.
And I catch myself thinkingabout that for my grandkids.
Yes.
Oh, well, they just really wantthis thing.
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Oh, Nana could buy that forthem.
unknown (08:44):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (08:46):
And my daughter is somewhat of a minimalist.
Like, she wants quality things,but she does not want a plethora
of things.
And so she will be like, theydon't need any more toys.
Yeah.
Like they just stop.
They don't.
SPEAKER_00 (08:59):
Rain it in, grandma.
SPEAKER_01 (09:03):
All right.
So one of the Bible referencesthat Zach turned to was Haggai,
which I have to admit, I don'tremember any time I've
referenced Haggai in my adultministry life, to be honest.
But it was kind of about Godchastising this group of people
who were supposed to be workingon the Lord's house and kind of
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took a break in the middle.
And the one little part of theverse I liked was where God
says, give careful thought toyour ways.
And I thought, what a nice wayof God just saying, check
yourself.
Hey there.
Um, kind of calling them out.
How did this verse or this storyresonate with you?
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Do you want to read it, Kate?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (09:47):
It starts at verse three, and it just says, The
Lord sent his message throughthe prophet Haggai.
Why are you living in luxurioushouses while my house lies in
ruins?
This is what the Lord ofHeaven's army says.
Look at what's happening to you.
You have planted much, butharvest little.
You eat, but are not satisfied.
You drink, but are stillthirsty.
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You put on clothes, but cannotkeep warm.
Your wages disappear as thoughyou were putting them in pockets
filled with holes.
That's really good.
Yeah.
And that's, you know, that'swhat I think about.
Like my one child who lovesthings, that is not gonna
satisfy her.
I pray that she realizes thatsooner than later.
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You know, and it is a constantchase of the next thing, the
next thing, you know, and it'sjust it, it just reflects that
exact scripture.
You ate, you're not satisfied.
You drank, you're still thirsty.
It's it's not fulfilling, it'snot lasting, and it's not what
God intended for us.
SPEAKER_00 (10:53):
Yeah.
Just thinking about that wholeoutfitting your hotel room.
I mean, that I've thought aboutthat this whole series.
That was a really good record.
I am outfitting my hotel roomfor my two-day stay.
This is crazy.
And yeah, like you said,ultimately not satisfying.
I mean, when my husband and Ifirst started out in Married
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Life, he was a student and wehad like zip o money, like none,
beans and rice, rice and beans,like even when the kids were
little.
And our situation is differentnow.
But I have to say, and this thisis kind of on the positive side
of things.
I was just as, I mean, truly, Iwas really happy back then with
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so little.
It's not the material thingsthat satisfy.
It's it's the Lord, it's the joythat you take in your family,
it's in the those, you know,lasting things, those treasures
in heaven that you're gatheringas opposed to the stuff on earth
that Maws and Rust consume.
SPEAKER_01 (11:53):
When uh my husband and I first lived together, we
had one pot.
And so when we wanted to cook,we would like cook the pasta and
then dump it out, and then wecould cook the veggies and dump
it out.
And then if we were makingsomething else, just one pot.
But I was happy then too.
You know what I mean?
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Yeah, yeah.
I now I have pots that I don'tever use.
Right.
Um, okay, so uh one of the thethings that Zach talked about
was he got to have this guest onhis podcast once, and his name
was Jamar Tisby, and he gave aquote from him called The Root
Determines the Fruit.
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Now, this was in reference totalking about racism, and Jamar
was talking about how greed isreally the root of racism, you
know, and a lot of socialissues.
But that quote, the rootdetermines the fruit.
How do you see this play outtoday in our lives or when you
see greed unchecked?
SPEAKER_00 (12:55):
Yeah, I just think about really at the root of so
much sin is just idolatry.
Taking the allegiance that youshould have to God and placing
it on other things.
And you know, greed is it's easyto see idolatry happening.
But I think that's just a verypowerful, bad route that creates
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tons of negative fruit.
Um, just saying, God, I'm gonna,I'm gonna take you off the
throne of my life and I'mputting something else on there.
And a lot of times it can be myfinancial security or how I look
to other people, um, or justwanting to be comfortable.
I'm constantly needing toevaluate what's on the throne of
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my life right now.
And boy, it's real easy to justkind of scooch God off and and
something else will get onthere.
Um, it's kind of a daily thing.
You have to make sure, kind ofcheck, check yourself.
SPEAKER_02 (13:52):
Yeah.
I don't think you're ever gonnadevelop biblical traits and
qualities without discipline.
And like, you know, going backand and examining Zach said, um,
you know, unchecked greed andjust taking time to examine,
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give careful thought to yourways, which you already
mentioned, Dina, but basicallythe idea of a budget, like
knowing where your money'sgoing.
And that no one naturallybudgets.
It just doesn't happen, youknow.
It doesn't happen unless you'relike, oh, I'm gonna sit down and
do it.
You know, and there's tons ofapps that whatever can track
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your spending and stuff, butstill you have to look at it,
you have to put the numbers andyou have to like analyze, like,
oh my gosh, for me, I I don'twant to cook, you know?
I don't want to plan a menu andingredients, and it's and I can
give so quickly any reason whywe're getting food takeout
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tonight, you know?
But that is so expensivecompared to planning a menu,
buying the ingredients.
And so for me, that's myconviction.
When I look at my budget and Iactually track how much money I
spend on meals out or pickup,takeout fast food, whatever,
that's convicting to me.
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So yeah, it's not gonna happennaturally.
You have to set it as apriority.
You have to set aside time, youhave to do it, and then you have
to revisit it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:31):
And then be willing to change.
Like if you look at your budgetand you're like, oh, look at how
much we spend on eating out, butthen don't do anything about it
to change it.
You have to eat the next daystill.
You gotta have a plan.
That's what I struggle with themost is the change.
Like I can look at it and belike, oh yeah, I'm gonna do
better next month or next yearor whatever it is.
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I'm gonna, I'm gonna, but yeah,having that discipline to
actually put it in there.
Oof dah.
Yeah.
Um, I thought of a person, afamily member of mine who is
always wanting the next shinything when they were talking
about this, the root, the fruit.
And um, he just always wants thenewest, the best when something
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new comes out, you know, whetherit's a car, a computer, a TV,
any kind of new gadget.
I just think of a time where mywhole family was at Disney.
Y'all know I love Disney, andthis person knew we were at
Disney and was calling multiplemembers of my family while we're
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at the park, not like in theevening or anything, asking
opinions on a new car that theywere buying.
And I just thought, where is thepriority in this?
Like, you know where we are, butit's so important to you to talk
about and select this new cartoday, at this moment, and
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wanting to talk about that withother people, that you're not
even giving space to, you know,like you know where we are.
unknown (17:01):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (17:02):
Talk to us later, or when we get back into town or
you know what I mean?
And I just thought that comesfrom an uh almost like an
emptiness, I feel like, thatthat we're we try to fill with
stuff.
Yep.
That's where the greed comesfrom instead of filling it with
God.
SPEAKER_00 (17:16):
Yes.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (17:17):
Which the one of the questions that Zach asked that I
really liked that I want to askyou is how do we stumble in
serving our stuff more thanserving our savior?
How does that convict you?
SPEAKER_02 (17:31):
I had a great example.
Um, my dad, he's such aninteresting man.
Um, but my parents, they had ahouse fire.
I don't baby, Ben was a baby, soit was about 20 years ago.
Um, and so they had to move intoan apartment temporarily while
their house was being repaired.
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And my dad was like, one bedroomapartments are amazing.
Like he was like, you can't fitany extra things in it.
Yes.
He's like, There's only like tworooms to be in charge.
Like my dad, the older he gets,he's never been a stuff guy, but
he's been retired for like twoweeks.
And my mom's like, if he goesthrough the rooms one more time,
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we're gonna do that.
But he loves to get rid ofstuff.
He reuse, I mean, he's so lowmaintenance, like thrifty, like
like not even thrifty, like justkeep using the same things over
and over and over.
And you know, we never had afancy car.
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And it's just it, I love thatmodel.
And and through that, I watchedhim like he just never wanted to
have debt, never, you know.
And I remember when you first goto college, I don't know if you
guys remember, but they havelike tables set up where it was
like free t-shirt if you sign upfor a credit card.
Oh, yeah.
All the all of us dumb collegestudents are like free money,
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which that is not what it is.
But, you know, for the firsttime, you can kind of make
financial decisions without yourparents knowing.
And some of my friends got intobig credit trouble because it's
so easy, you know.
But I'm thankful for that lessonthat I watched in him.
Like, you are to aggressivelypay off debt because that's
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where there's freedom.
Because when you have debt, debtis heavy, it's a burden.
You know, you have yourgenerosity is less when you're a
slave to that.
And so I'm thankful for watchinghim, even though it was annoying
sometimes.
I'm like, eh, it's fine, youknow, everyone has, you know,
it's fine, dad.
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And so I appreciate that lessonfrom him.
And I've benefited from it.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (19:47):
So I think like the amount of stuff, your amount of
stuff and your amount of timeare inversely proportional to
each other.
You got more stuff, you're gonnahave less time because all that
stuff needs to be managed andmaintained and cared for and
kept up and kept clean and putsomewhere and stored somewhere.
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And insured.
Yes.
And it's just that all of thattakes time.
Right.
And so just to be aware, right?
The more stuff you add, the lesstime you'll have.
So just I've got to keep that inmind as well.
Keeping it simple.
SPEAKER_01 (20:27):
I am a huge fan of a good purge.
Like I love spring cleaning,fall cleaning.
I don't do it enough in my ownhouse and I collect stuff.
But then like it gets to thepoint where, oh my gosh, I can't
take it anymore and I need topurge.
And I love that feeling.
But what I like better is notjust like getting rid of it, but
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if you can find somebody thatneeds those things or you find a
better home for them.
Like last week, one of thethings that happened here at
King of Kings, right now, I amkind of in the process of
spearheading a cleaning andoverhaul of a warehouse storage
that we have.
This building we're blessed withhere at Millard is huge.
And we have this great storagespace in the back, but it's kind
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of been neglected.
And we, even as a church, havestuff that sits back there that
maybe we don't utilize.
And so I've kind of been goingthrough a lot of this, talking
with each department.
And one of the things that wefound were boxes and boxes of
bags, paper grocery bags andrecyclable grocery bags, which I
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think came out of some projectsthat the church did during
COVID, I believe.
Some food pantries and thingslike this, which was all good
things.
But now those bags have beensitting back in the warehouse
unused.
I don't even know who all knowsthey're back there, you know?
So we're cleaning out back thereand we came across them.
And I'm like, okay, well, howcan we use this?
And at the same time, we'retalking about all the food
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insecurity with the governmentshutdown that's happening.
And so we donated those bags toTogether Inc., one of the local
food pantries that we partnerwith sometime.
There was 2,500 paper bags andlike 600 reusable grocery bags
that we were able to give tothem.
I don't know where their bagsnormally came from, but that's
something that we had sittingunused that we're able to be
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generous with that is gonnabenefit the people at the food
bank and the people who utilizethe food bank, that they don't
have to bring their own bags orhave their own bags, or the
pantry doesn't have to buy them,at least for a little bit.
And that's like a double whammyto me when you get it purge
something, but you get it togive it to somebody who needs
it.
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (22:33):
So good.
SPEAKER_01 (22:34):
Yeah.
Okay, Pastor Zach talked aboutthree steps to a better way
regarding greed.
And I just want to know yourthoughts on each one of these.
Step one was repentance,confessing and admitting, and
then turning.
Step two was gratitude.
What are you really gratefulfor?
And step three was give today.
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How did those hit you?
SPEAKER_00 (22:56):
Uh repentance, I better start doing that.
That's the first one.
Uh, gratitude.
I keep a journal where I justwrite down a few things that
happened every day.
So it's not like a deep, like,oh, here's how I feel about it.
It's mostly just recording,like, here's what happened
today.
But at the top, this year, Iwanted to think about and be
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more grateful this year.
And so I write at the top onething that I'm truly grateful
for.
And I have to say, I'm notsaying things like, my car or my
stuff.
It's usually people or preciousthings that happened um during
the day.
And so that's kind of revealingin itself.
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And then, you know, what can yougive today?
I just think about, you know,the time or effort that I'm
putting towards stuff.
How could I set that down andturn my attention towards
people, the people that Jesusloves and invest in that?
SPEAKER_02 (23:57):
Yeah.
I I also loved just gave us thattiny bit of time to repent to go
before the Lord.
Because again, unless you're inthe routine, we don't do it
enough.
And then to just hear thosewords of absolution from Zach,
you know, like that's a gift initself.
Just to hear that you have beenforgiven.
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Um and I've I feel likegratitude has gotten me through
many of hard seasons.
And it's just something I'veloved, you know, hopefully
passing on to my kids.
And when I was a teacher, youknow, we took time a lot to talk
about what we're thankful forand to write about what we're
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thankful for.
Cause I do believe it changesyour brain chemistry and and in
the chemistry of your body,even.
I love the fact that you cannot,you know, your brain cannot
house anxiety and gratitude atthe same time.
And so many people struggle withanxiety, and I've struggled with
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anxiety.
But when you shift that togratitude and just, I think
gratitude and and praising God,like I don't know if there's two
better things.
You know, when you're praisingGod and thinking of who he is, a
lot of times it goes intothanking him for what he's done,
who he is, what he's given us.
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Those two things, boy, that's arecipe for just a sense of calm
and purpose.
And yeah, it's a good, goodhabit to be in.
SPEAKER_01 (25:31):
Yeah, the gratitude is what really hit me.
And Zach actually used anexample of something I do on
social media, thanks, Vember.
And I think that we have thisidea that gratitude is always
happy.
And I don't think that's true.
We can be grateful for hardtimes and we can be grateful for
hurtful memories that we learnedfrom or things that turned us
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closer to God.
Like the Sunday when thismessage was given was November
9th, which was my weddinganniversary for the 20 some
years that I was married.
I'm now divorced.
But I am thankful.
That was my thanks Vember daynine.
Um, I'm thankful for the yearsthat I was married.
I'm thankful for who I learnedto be in that.
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I'm thankful for the childrenand grandchildren that came out
of that.
I'm thankful for who I learned Iwas in my divorce and through
counseling and all of the hardparts of that too.
On this side of it, I am sograteful for that.
And I am grateful that God wasthere with me every step of the
way.
And I look back now sometimesand I think, would I change
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that?
And there's pieces of who I amthat I don't think I would be
had I not gone through thatexperience.
And I don't know that I wouldchange it.
You know what I mean?
There's that's a a harder choicesometimes to think about.
Like that led me to where I amtoday.
And I don't know that I'd takeit away, even if it was hard.
And I think we forget to begrateful for those opportunities
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too.
Um, and that's something I I tryto focus on in my gratitude.
I'm grateful for the happythings and the easy things and
the good things, but I'm alsograteful for those shaping
moments that God gives us.
That's good.
All right.
What are your final takeawaysfrom either this week's message
or this whole series, thisgiving challenge?
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Gosh, it's been six weeksalready.
I know.
It's gone really quickly.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:25):
Having the discussion that we have had
right now, just think about likeum when you're on, let's say
that you're on the ocean andyou're laying on a raft, you're
gonna drift unless you sit upand keep like paddling to keep
yourself in the same spot.
I think it's so easy for us todrift into just greed and and
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self-centeredness.
And what are the um disciplinesthat we're putting into our
lives?
Disciplines of gratitude,disciplines of really looking at
where our money is going,disciplines of repentance.
Those are like our ways ofpaddling on the raft to keep us
kind of centered where God wantsus.
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And so I'm just reminding myselflike, just don't drift, because
that's when you get intotrouble.
My heart is not going tonaturally drift towards being
others-centered or verygenerous.
It's just not.
I mean, scripture talks aboutour hearts and what our
inclinations are.
So just asking Jesus, help me topaddle so I can stay like
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focused on you and and yourkingdom.
SPEAKER_02 (28:35):
Agree.
I loved also the 2nd Corinthianspassage that Zach referenced,
how God gives everything to methat I need.
And it was at a great cost.
He became poor.
You know, he left the throne tobe a human and to live humbly as
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a servant for my benefit.
And so in return, I want to havehim as my priority.
SPEAKER_01 (29:06):
So that's good.
So one of the things Zach saidthis week that stuck with me was
greed is a heart issue.
I tend to think of it as a headissue.
He says greed is a heart issue.
And then one of the things hehas said throughout the whole
message was that generosityreflects the heart of Jesus.
And so I thought, okay, well,here this week, where I want to
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fight greed being a heart issue,I want my heart to be like
Jesus.
And generosity, which was thetheme throughout these weeks,
reflects the heart of Jesus withhow generous he was coming here
and dying for us and in all thathe gives us and takes care of
us.
And that really struck me.
I was like, okay, I gotta keepmy heart to be more like Jesus.
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And that hopefully will help mebe more generous and more
giving.
Yep.
Thank you, ladies, so much forbeing here.
We jump into a new sermon seriesstarting next week, and we'll Be
back here on Beyond Sunday.
Until then, let's keep livingour faith, Beyond Sunday.
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our message
series and see what we're takingBeyond Sunday.
It is ladies' day today.
Our panel is all women.
Go ahead and introduceyourselves, ladies.
SPEAKER_02 (00:19):
I'm Kate Solberg, and I'm the Associate Campus
Director of our NorthwestCampus.
Woohoo!
SPEAKER_00 (00:24):
And I'm Julie Easley.
I'm the executive director hereat King of Kings.
SPEAKER_01 (00:27):
I'm Dina Newsome here with you every week.
Um, you know, for our startingquestion today, one of the
things that Zach talked about atthe very beginning of this
week's message was asking peopleif they thought they were a good
driver.
And then he gave a quote thatinsurance companies feel that
women are safer drivers thanmen.
My question for you is are you agood driver or not a good
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driver?
SPEAKER_00 (00:50):
Well, be honest.
I'm a I'm a fast driver.
I've probably gotten eighttickets in my life.
Oh, Julie.
Less, less as I've gotten older.
And the guys always make fun ofme here at work because I do
have a little bit of a pullinginto the parking space problem.
Um, it's I've gotten mean notes.
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I got a mean note on my car fromsomeone, yes, who who wrote
learn how to drive and stuck iton my windshield.
So I don't know.
I but I haven't been in manyaccidents, so I've maybe one.
I guess I'm I'm probably one ofthose like middle of the road
types.
Not awesome, but not horrible.
SPEAKER_02 (01:32):
I definitely have gotten slower as I get older.
I do not drive quickly.
I am always thinking a kid'sgonna dart in front of me.
So I've always lived inneighborhoods with little kids,
which makes me super paranoid.
Yeah.
And then when you teach yourkids how to drive, the worst.
That is a whole nother level.
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So both of my kids would tellyou, like, she drives slow.
So I'm like, I don't like to bein a hurry.
So I think when you driveslower, you are a better driver.
I don't drive under the speedlimit, but there have been times
where people have passed me andlooked at me like, pick it up,
lady.
Which to them, I say, I am inthe right lane.
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So go around me if necessary.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:18):
It's good.
How about you?
I'm a grandma driver, but I'm agrandma.
So, you know, it works, it worksout.
I used to be when I was younger,I was a horrible driver.
Like I would do everything whiledriving.
I can, when I was in highschool, I would put my makeup on
in the car while I was drivingto school.
I can't even imagine the numberof accidents that God wanted me
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to be here today because I musthave narrowly avoided many.
And I was an impatient whereyou'd pull up really fast, you
know, and try to pass people,but then you'd end up at the
stoplight right next to the samepeople that were going slow.
I always love to look over atthem and be like, here we both
are.
Which I finally came to therealization that doing that
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doesn't get you there anyfaster.
And now I am a very, I'm apretty slow driver.
If I'm not in the right lane andwe're coming up on the turn, I
won't fight to get over.
I'll circle around, we'll takethe scenic route, we'll what's
the hurry?
It drives my kids nuts.
I need to.
SPEAKER_00 (03:19):
I need to take lessons from my son once said to
me, if I could give you anygift, it would be that everyone
drives exactly the way you wantthem to on the road.
SPEAKER_02 (03:28):
That's hilarious.
SPEAKER_00 (03:30):
It's also convicting.
SPEAKER_02 (03:32):
My my son loves to like be ready to honk the
instant it turns greedy.
Oh, just to annoy people.
And I'm like, oh wow.
You might take off the wrongperson one day.
SPEAKER_01 (03:45):
All right.
Well, switching from driving togenerosity, we just finished
week six of the givingchallenge.
This has been a fabulous sixweeks.
And this week we were talkingabout trading grasping for
gratitude.
And Pastor Zach Sender took usthrough the final week of this.
What are you guys taking beyondSunday from this week?
SPEAKER_00 (04:06):
I was thinking about things that I can be repentant
for before the Lord.
And it's true.
I don't think I've ever prayedabout my greed.
So when he was saying that, likeno one confesses.
I'm like, I don't know if I'veconfessed that to the Lord very
much at all.
So that was sobering.
And just being just more awareof things that I assume would be
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my right to have or to own, orwhat would make a great life for
me that I'm somehow owed.
SPEAKER_02 (04:35):
Definitely.
I thought about that a lot.
There was a quote he said, Doyou have money or does money
have you?
And I thought that was a wisequestion to ponder.
So that was one little piece Itook.
SPEAKER_01 (04:48):
I really enjoyed the uh loincloth story that he told
at the start, how this mancreated this whole town and
systems and crops andeverything.
And when the master came back,he said, Well, it was the only
way I could keep my loinclothclean.
Yes.
And I think, how often do I dothat?
Do I create this whole set ofsomething to do a very small
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thing that maybe is just veryhumbling or very work on myself
instead of just owning it anddoing it?
SPEAKER_00 (05:19):
Yeah, it's good.
SPEAKER_01 (05:21):
One of the things that Zach um started out with
was he thinks that the greatAmerican blind spot is greed.
Do you agree, or what are yourthoughts on that?
SPEAKER_00 (05:31):
I do think it's just like the water that we swim in
is just so consumeristic and youget down that road a little ways
and it can just suck you in likea vortex.
I remember when we moved intoour new house, we had never in
our married life, we've beenmarried 30 years, I'd never had
like a like a bedroom set, youknow, with like a headboard or
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matching side tables.
And I remember saying to Dale,I'm a full grown-up now, and I'm
getting one of these because Ideserve it after all this time.
And I, you know what?
It's not really true.
I and I did get it.
So true confessions, I do nowhave a bedroom set.
But I it was like I was owed itbecause I had lived a certain
amount of time, and it's justwhat grown-ups do.
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Well, I'm sure there are plentyof grown-ups all over the world
who don't have a matchingbedroom set, but I just felt so
entitled to it.
SPEAKER_02 (06:25):
Agree.
Yeah, in America, you're I feellike you're gonna be greedy
unless you fight against it.
Like it is just our culture,it's social media, it's the TV
and commercials we it's justprevalent.
Yeah.
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And it's the natural way to go.
And I live in the uncomfortableposition of having two children
at opposite ends of thespectrum.
So I I won't name names, but onechild wants multiple new things
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daily, and it's a necessitywhile the other child could
easily be wearing clothing thatthat child outgrew years ago.
SPEAKER_00 (07:17):
So interesting.
SPEAKER_02 (07:19):
That I need to point out like those might need to be
retired or burned.
SPEAKER_00 (07:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (07:26):
So I'm like, man, how do you raise two children
exactly the same?
Like, this is the product.
SPEAKER_00 (07:33):
Yeah, it's interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (07:35):
Yeah.
I started thinking about thisand felt very convicted in my
parenting.
I don't, I mean, yes, I wasgreedy.
Yes, I wanted things for myself,like as we were, you know,
getting our family and ourfamily was growing and bought a
house and stuff.
But I think of the things that Ithought my kids had to have.
I mean, like at one point, I hadthree children in my house at
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the same time.
And all three of them had, well,two of them had a computer in
their room.
One of them had like a smallhandheld game system.
They all had TVs in their rooms.
Like, and I just think, howunnecessary is that?
Because we also had TVs andcomputers elsewhere in the
house.
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Now, were they brand new, thefanciest?
You know what I mean?
Like, no.
But I just thought that whenZach was talking about the
average child has 240-some toysor something.
I was like, oh no.
And I catch myself thinkingabout that for my grandkids.
Yes.
Oh, well, they just really wantthis thing.
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Oh, Nana could buy that forthem.
unknown (08:44):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (08:46):
And my daughter is somewhat of a minimalist.
Like, she wants quality things,but she does not want a plethora
of things.
And so she will be like, theydon't need any more toys.
Yeah.
Like they just stop.
They don't.
SPEAKER_00 (08:59):
Rain it in, grandma.
SPEAKER_01 (09:03):
All right.
So one of the Bible referencesthat Zach turned to was Haggai,
which I have to admit, I don'tremember any time I've
referenced Haggai in my adultministry life, to be honest.
But it was kind of about Godchastising this group of people
who were supposed to be workingon the Lord's house and kind of
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took a break in the middle.
And the one little part of theverse I liked was where God
says, give careful thought toyour ways.
And I thought, what a nice wayof God just saying, check
yourself.
Hey there.
Um, kind of calling them out.
How did this verse or this storyresonate with you?
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Do you want to read it, Kate?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (09:47):
It starts at verse three, and it just says, The
Lord sent his message throughthe prophet Haggai.
Why are you living in luxurioushouses while my house lies in
ruins?
This is what the Lord ofHeaven's army says.
Look at what's happening to you.
You have planted much, butharvest little.
You eat, but are not satisfied.
You drink, but are stillthirsty.
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You put on clothes, but cannotkeep warm.
Your wages disappear as thoughyou were putting them in pockets
filled with holes.
That's really good.
Yeah.
And that's, you know, that'swhat I think about.
Like my one child who lovesthings, that is not gonna
satisfy her.
I pray that she realizes thatsooner than later.
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You know, and it is a constantchase of the next thing, the
next thing, you know, and it'sjust it, it just reflects that
exact scripture.
You ate, you're not satisfied.
You drank, you're still thirsty.
It's it's not fulfilling, it'snot lasting, and it's not what
God intended for us.
SPEAKER_00 (10:53):
Yeah.
Just thinking about that wholeoutfitting your hotel room.
I mean, that I've thought aboutthat this whole series.
That was a really good record.
I am outfitting my hotel roomfor my two-day stay.
This is crazy.
And yeah, like you said,ultimately not satisfying.
I mean, when my husband and Ifirst started out in Married
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Life, he was a student and wehad like zip o money, like none,
beans and rice, rice and beans,like even when the kids were
little.
And our situation is differentnow.
But I have to say, and this thisis kind of on the positive side
of things.
I was just as, I mean, truly, Iwas really happy back then with
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so little.
It's not the material thingsthat satisfy.
It's it's the Lord, it's the joythat you take in your family,
it's in the those, you know,lasting things, those treasures
in heaven that you're gatheringas opposed to the stuff on earth
that Maws and Rust consume.
SPEAKER_01 (11:53):
When uh my husband and I first lived together, we
had one pot.
And so when we wanted to cook,we would like cook the pasta and
then dump it out, and then wecould cook the veggies and dump
it out.
And then if we were makingsomething else, just one pot.
But I was happy then too.
You know what I mean?
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Yeah, yeah.
I now I have pots that I don'tever use.
Right.
Um, okay, so uh one of the thethings that Zach talked about
was he got to have this guest onhis podcast once, and his name
was Jamar Tisby, and he gave aquote from him called The Root
Determines the Fruit.
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Now, this was in reference totalking about racism, and Jamar
was talking about how greed isreally the root of racism, you
know, and a lot of socialissues.
But that quote, the rootdetermines the fruit.
How do you see this play outtoday in our lives or when you
see greed unchecked?
SPEAKER_00 (12:55):
Yeah, I just think about really at the root of so
much sin is just idolatry.
Taking the allegiance that youshould have to God and placing
it on other things.
And you know, greed is it's easyto see idolatry happening.
But I think that's just a verypowerful, bad route that creates
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tons of negative fruit.
Um, just saying, God, I'm gonna,I'm gonna take you off the
throne of my life and I'mputting something else on there.
And a lot of times it can be myfinancial security or how I look
to other people, um, or justwanting to be comfortable.
I'm constantly needing toevaluate what's on the throne of
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my life right now.
And boy, it's real easy to justkind of scooch God off and and
something else will get onthere.
Um, it's kind of a daily thing.
You have to make sure, kind ofcheck, check yourself.
SPEAKER_02 (13:52):
Yeah.
I don't think you're ever gonnadevelop biblical traits and
qualities without discipline.
And like, you know, going backand and examining Zach said, um,
you know, unchecked greed andjust taking time to examine,
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give careful thought to yourways, which you already
mentioned, Dina, but basicallythe idea of a budget, like
knowing where your money'sgoing.
And that no one naturallybudgets.
It just doesn't happen, youknow.
It doesn't happen unless you'relike, oh, I'm gonna sit down and
do it.
You know, and there's tons ofapps that whatever can track
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your spending and stuff, butstill you have to look at it,
you have to put the numbers andyou have to like analyze, like,
oh my gosh, for me, I I don'twant to cook, you know?
I don't want to plan a menu andingredients, and it's and I can
give so quickly any reason whywe're getting food takeout
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tonight, you know?
But that is so expensivecompared to planning a menu,
buying the ingredients.
And so for me, that's myconviction.
When I look at my budget and Iactually track how much money I
spend on meals out or pickup,takeout fast food, whatever,
that's convicting to me.
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So yeah, it's not gonna happennaturally.
You have to set it as apriority.
You have to set aside time, youhave to do it, and then you have
to revisit it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:31):
And then be willing to change.
Like if you look at your budgetand you're like, oh, look at how
much we spend on eating out, butthen don't do anything about it
to change it.
You have to eat the next daystill.
You gotta have a plan.
That's what I struggle with themost is the change.
Like I can look at it and belike, oh yeah, I'm gonna do
better next month or next yearor whatever it is.
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I'm gonna, I'm gonna, but yeah,having that discipline to
actually put it in there.
Oof dah.
Yeah.
Um, I thought of a person, afamily member of mine who is
always wanting the next shinything when they were talking
about this, the root, the fruit.
And um, he just always wants thenewest, the best when something
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new comes out, you know, whetherit's a car, a computer, a TV,
any kind of new gadget.
I just think of a time where mywhole family was at Disney.
Y'all know I love Disney, andthis person knew we were at
Disney and was calling multiplemembers of my family while we're
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at the park, not like in theevening or anything, asking
opinions on a new car that theywere buying.
And I just thought, where is thepriority in this?
Like, you know where we are, butit's so important to you to talk
about and select this new cartoday, at this moment, and
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wanting to talk about that withother people, that you're not
even giving space to, you know,like you know where we are.
unknown (17:01):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (17:02):
Talk to us later, or when we get back into town or
you know what I mean?
And I just thought that comesfrom an uh almost like an
emptiness, I feel like, thatthat we're we try to fill with
stuff.
Yep.
That's where the greed comesfrom instead of filling it with
God.
SPEAKER_00 (17:16):
Yes.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (17:17):
Which the one of the questions that Zach asked that I
really liked that I want to askyou is how do we stumble in
serving our stuff more thanserving our savior?
How does that convict you?
SPEAKER_02 (17:31):
I had a great example.
Um, my dad, he's such aninteresting man.
Um, but my parents, they had ahouse fire.
I don't baby, Ben was a baby, soit was about 20 years ago.
Um, and so they had to move intoan apartment temporarily while
their house was being repaired.
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And my dad was like, one bedroomapartments are amazing.
Like he was like, you can't fitany extra things in it.
Yes.
He's like, There's only like tworooms to be in charge.
Like my dad, the older he gets,he's never been a stuff guy, but
he's been retired for like twoweeks.
And my mom's like, if he goesthrough the rooms one more time,
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we're gonna do that.
But he loves to get rid ofstuff.
He reuse, I mean, he's so lowmaintenance, like thrifty, like
like not even thrifty, like justkeep using the same things over
and over and over.
And you know, we never had afancy car.
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And it's just it, I love thatmodel.
And and through that, I watchedhim like he just never wanted to
have debt, never, you know.
And I remember when you first goto college, I don't know if you
guys remember, but they havelike tables set up where it was
like free t-shirt if you sign upfor a credit card.
Oh, yeah.
All the all of us dumb collegestudents are like free money,
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which that is not what it is.
But, you know, for the firsttime, you can kind of make
financial decisions without yourparents knowing.
And some of my friends got intobig credit trouble because it's
so easy, you know.
But I'm thankful for that lessonthat I watched in him.
Like, you are to aggressivelypay off debt because that's
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where there's freedom.
Because when you have debt, debtis heavy, it's a burden.
You know, you have yourgenerosity is less when you're a
slave to that.
And so I'm thankful for watchinghim, even though it was annoying
sometimes.
I'm like, eh, it's fine, youknow, everyone has, you know,
it's fine, dad.
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And so I appreciate that lessonfrom him.
And I've benefited from it.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (19:47):
So I think like the amount of stuff, your amount of
stuff and your amount of timeare inversely proportional to
each other.
You got more stuff, you're gonnahave less time because all that
stuff needs to be managed andmaintained and cared for and
kept up and kept clean and putsomewhere and stored somewhere.
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And insured.
Yes.
And it's just that all of thattakes time.
Right.
And so just to be aware, right?
The more stuff you add, the lesstime you'll have.
So just I've got to keep that inmind as well.
Keeping it simple.
SPEAKER_01 (20:27):
I am a huge fan of a good purge.
Like I love spring cleaning,fall cleaning.
I don't do it enough in my ownhouse and I collect stuff.
But then like it gets to thepoint where, oh my gosh, I can't
take it anymore and I need topurge.
And I love that feeling.
But what I like better is notjust like getting rid of it, but
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if you can find somebody thatneeds those things or you find a
better home for them.
Like last week, one of thethings that happened here at
King of Kings, right now, I amkind of in the process of
spearheading a cleaning andoverhaul of a warehouse storage
that we have.
This building we're blessed withhere at Millard is huge.
And we have this great storagespace in the back, but it's kind
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of been neglected.
And we, even as a church, havestuff that sits back there that
maybe we don't utilize.
And so I've kind of been goingthrough a lot of this, talking
with each department.
And one of the things that wefound were boxes and boxes of
bags, paper grocery bags andrecyclable grocery bags, which I
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think came out of some projectsthat the church did during
COVID, I believe.
Some food pantries and thingslike this, which was all good
things.
But now those bags have beensitting back in the warehouse
unused.
I don't even know who all knowsthey're back there, you know?
So we're cleaning out back thereand we came across them.
And I'm like, okay, well, howcan we use this?
And at the same time, we'retalking about all the food
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insecurity with the governmentshutdown that's happening.
And so we donated those bags toTogether Inc., one of the local
food pantries that we partnerwith sometime.
There was 2,500 paper bags andlike 600 reusable grocery bags
that we were able to give tothem.
I don't know where their bagsnormally came from, but that's
something that we had sittingunused that we're able to be
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generous with that is gonnabenefit the people at the food
bank and the people who utilizethe food bank, that they don't
have to bring their own bags orhave their own bags, or the
pantry doesn't have to buy them,at least for a little bit.
And that's like a double whammyto me when you get it purge
something, but you get it togive it to somebody who needs
it.
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (22:33):
So good.
SPEAKER_01 (22:34):
Yeah.
Okay, Pastor Zach talked aboutthree steps to a better way
regarding greed.
And I just want to know yourthoughts on each one of these.
Step one was repentance,confessing and admitting, and
then turning.
Step two was gratitude.
What are you really gratefulfor?
And step three was give today.
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How did those hit you?
SPEAKER_00 (22:56):
Uh repentance, I better start doing that.
That's the first one.
Uh, gratitude.
I keep a journal where I justwrite down a few things that
happened every day.
So it's not like a deep, like,oh, here's how I feel about it.
It's mostly just recording,like, here's what happened
today.
But at the top, this year, Iwanted to think about and be
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more grateful this year.
And so I write at the top onething that I'm truly grateful
for.
And I have to say, I'm notsaying things like, my car or my
stuff.
It's usually people or preciousthings that happened um during
the day.
And so that's kind of revealingin itself.
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And then, you know, what can yougive today?
I just think about, you know,the time or effort that I'm
putting towards stuff.
How could I set that down andturn my attention towards
people, the people that Jesusloves and invest in that?
SPEAKER_02 (23:57):
Yeah.
I I also loved just gave us thattiny bit of time to repent to go
before the Lord.
Because again, unless you're inthe routine, we don't do it
enough.
And then to just hear thosewords of absolution from Zach,
you know, like that's a gift initself.
Just to hear that you have beenforgiven.
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Um and I've I feel likegratitude has gotten me through
many of hard seasons.
And it's just something I'veloved, you know, hopefully
passing on to my kids.
And when I was a teacher, youknow, we took time a lot to talk
about what we're thankful forand to write about what we're
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thankful for.
Cause I do believe it changesyour brain chemistry and and in
the chemistry of your body,even.
I love the fact that you cannot,you know, your brain cannot
house anxiety and gratitude atthe same time.
And so many people struggle withanxiety, and I've struggled with
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anxiety.
But when you shift that togratitude and just, I think
gratitude and and praising God,like I don't know if there's two
better things.
You know, when you're praisingGod and thinking of who he is, a
lot of times it goes intothanking him for what he's done,
who he is, what he's given us.
(25:21):
Those two things, boy, that's arecipe for just a sense of calm
and purpose.
And yeah, it's a good, goodhabit to be in.
SPEAKER_01 (25:31):
Yeah, the gratitude is what really hit me.
And Zach actually used anexample of something I do on
social media, thanks, Vember.
And I think that we have thisidea that gratitude is always
happy.
And I don't think that's true.
We can be grateful for hardtimes and we can be grateful for
hurtful memories that we learnedfrom or things that turned us
(25:52):
closer to God.
Like the Sunday when thismessage was given was November
9th, which was my weddinganniversary for the 20 some
years that I was married.
I'm now divorced.
But I am thankful.
That was my thanks Vember daynine.
Um, I'm thankful for the yearsthat I was married.
I'm thankful for who I learnedto be in that.
(26:13):
I'm thankful for the childrenand grandchildren that came out
of that.
I'm thankful for who I learned Iwas in my divorce and through
counseling and all of the hardparts of that too.
On this side of it, I am sograteful for that.
And I am grateful that God wasthere with me every step of the
way.
And I look back now sometimesand I think, would I change
(26:35):
that?
And there's pieces of who I amthat I don't think I would be
had I not gone through thatexperience.
And I don't know that I wouldchange it.
You know what I mean?
There's that's a a harder choicesometimes to think about.
Like that led me to where I amtoday.
And I don't know that I'd takeit away, even if it was hard.
And I think we forget to begrateful for those opportunities
(26:58):
too.
Um, and that's something I I tryto focus on in my gratitude.
I'm grateful for the happythings and the easy things and
the good things, but I'm alsograteful for those shaping
moments that God gives us.
That's good.
All right.
What are your final takeawaysfrom either this week's message
or this whole series, thisgiving challenge?
(27:20):
Gosh, it's been six weeksalready.
I know.
It's gone really quickly.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:25):
Having the discussion that we have had
right now, just think about likeum when you're on, let's say
that you're on the ocean andyou're laying on a raft, you're
gonna drift unless you sit upand keep like paddling to keep
yourself in the same spot.
I think it's so easy for us todrift into just greed and and
(27:48):
self-centeredness.
And what are the um disciplinesthat we're putting into our
lives?
Disciplines of gratitude,disciplines of really looking at
where our money is going,disciplines of repentance.
Those are like our ways ofpaddling on the raft to keep us
kind of centered where God wantsus.
(28:09):
And so I'm just reminding myselflike, just don't drift, because
that's when you get intotrouble.
My heart is not going tonaturally drift towards being
others-centered or verygenerous.
It's just not.
I mean, scripture talks aboutour hearts and what our
inclinations are.
So just asking Jesus, help me topaddle so I can stay like
(28:32):
focused on you and and yourkingdom.
SPEAKER_02 (28:35):
Agree.
I loved also the 2nd Corinthianspassage that Zach referenced,
how God gives everything to methat I need.
And it was at a great cost.
He became poor.
You know, he left the throne tobe a human and to live humbly as
(28:56):
a servant for my benefit.
And so in return, I want to havehim as my priority.
SPEAKER_01 (29:06):
So that's good.
So one of the things Zach saidthis week that stuck with me was
greed is a heart issue.
I tend to think of it as a headissue.
He says greed is a heart issue.
And then one of the things hehas said throughout the whole
message was that generosityreflects the heart of Jesus.
And so I thought, okay, well,here this week, where I want to
(29:28):
fight greed being a heart issue,I want my heart to be like
Jesus.
And generosity, which was thetheme throughout these weeks,
reflects the heart of Jesus withhow generous he was coming here
and dying for us and in all thathe gives us and takes care of
us.
And that really struck me.
I was like, okay, I gotta keepmy heart to be more like Jesus.
(29:49):
And that hopefully will help mebe more generous and more
giving.
Yep.
Thank you, ladies, so much forbeing here.
We jump into a new sermon seriesstarting next week, and we'll Be
back here on Beyond Sunday.
Until then, let's keep livingour faith, Beyond Sunday.
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