September 10, 2025 • 31 mins
Dina, Pastor Greg, and Kate kick off the Pardon This Interruption series by looking at the moment in Mark’s gospel when even Jesus’ own family questioned him. They explore what integrity looks like when our words and actions align, how to handle doubt and misunderstanding, and how God’s grace meets us in life’s interruptions to bring reconciliation and hope.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our message
series and see what we're takingBeyond Sunday.
My name is Dena Newsome and Iam honored to have a couple of
great guests today.
Feel free to introduceyourselves.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm Greg.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And I'm Kate Solberg.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, thanks for being here today.
I don't know if you guys knowit, but today is international
International, not for beinghere today.
Yeah, I don't know if you guysknow it, but today is
international International, notjust national Sudoku Day.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh, I hate those, do you?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
My question is are you a Sudoku person or what like
word game or number game do youlike?
Is there one that really youknow you have to do?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You're a crossword person, so fun thing is not
about me and she's staying atour house, so tonight I'll have
to tell her.
My mother-in-law does a sudokuthing every single day and so at
our house every morning shewill print the sudoku sheets and
(01:03):
then do those.
So she prints them out on ourprinter and then, uh, does one
probably.
She's up around 5 am, does,does a sudoku and then is done.
So apparently it's supposed tohelp like stave off all cybers
yeah, like there's.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It activates pieces of your brain, supposedly to
help with that.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, mine, mine doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm.
I like the wordle.
You're the one.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Is there only one of me?
I think so.
No, there's two Cause I likethat too, so, there's at least
two of us.
So does one of our volunteersyeah?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I used to do it with my class at the end of the day,
like, you know, just somethingfun to end the day with.
But then I was like you guysare messing it up, you're not
doing it right, so I just do itby myself now.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You should do it at the end of the day with Peter
and see, I think that'd be sofun to try a Wordle with Peter.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
No comment.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I love word finds.
I enjoy crossword puzzles orSudoku now and then, but I
really like word finds Are thoseword searches.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Is that what it is?
I've never heard it as a wordfind.
Oh, that's what I called itgrowing up, I guess.
Oh, really, Okay yeah wordsearch word find whatever.
Okay, word searches, Okay yeahyeah, okay, word find is fine.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I actually bought my first crossword puzzle book and
I thought, ooh, I've crossedover into middle age for sure.
Now, Just because they say likeit's not good to look at your
phone before bed, like the 30minutes or 40.
I'm like I'm going to get acrossword book and sure enough,
I've gotten some judgmentallooks from my children, but
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that's fine, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I like those type of puzzle things.
Those are fun.
Do you feel better going to bed?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
after you've gotten some.
Yes, and I like to read bestbefore, but I don't always have
a book I'm dying to read, sothen I got my backup crossword
book to do so.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I think if I did crosswords before bed, I would
like not fall asleep because I'dstill be thinking about the
ones that.
I'd be obsessing about themwhat's this one?
And then I'd have to get up andsee if that worked.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
No, I don't think one thought of it after I closed
the book.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
It's good night.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I hate crosswords.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
For a reason, or just you always have I never, can
figure them out.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I've never been able to.
I don't like them at all.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I do them with pencil and then you know, so that you
can swap it up.
Yeah, then you're notfrustrated.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I would do them with a Sharpie.
No, and the lines don't matter,so my words work.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
No matter what no matter what, no matter what.
That sounds terrible.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
One of my grandmas used to do the crossword puzzle
in the newspaper and I used tosit and watch her and every once
in a while she would have asquare that she divided into
half.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I put two letters because it was the only answer
that didn't fit I like thatNever thought of that.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
That's a great idea, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
That's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Okay, well, this week we started a new message series
here at King of Kings calledPardon, this Interruption, and
we got to hear from our campuspastor here at Millard, pastor
Seth Flick.
This is his first messageseries that he's preaching and
this is really focusing on thebook of Mark, the gospel of Mark
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and Greg.
Would you give us?
There's a quirky thing aboutthe book of Mark and the way
that this fits intointerruptions.
Can you kind of summarize that?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, super cool.
Actually, it was Kevin McClurewho brought this about a year
ago.
And then it was like, oh wow,this is really neat.
So, yeah, jesus, and Mark Markrecords some events of Jesus and
some stories of Jesus, where hestarts with one and then, like
this middle story doesn't seemto relate at all, and then this
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end story just ties everythingback together and so it's almost
like a sandwich, where you'relike I've got two pieces of
bread and then all of a suddenthere's like liverwurst in the
middle and you're like what'vegot two pieces of bread and then
all of a sudden there's likeliverwurst in the middle and
you're like, what you know, canthey work together?
And then it's like, oh wow,this is a good.
I think liverwurst sandwichesare terrible, but anyways, I
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don't know if I've ever had one,but yeah, so that's, that's
what's happening, and so that'sthe interruption is like you're
just like where's the story from?
And then there's a masterfulway at the end that just brings
it all back together.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, it's really unique and I had never heard
that talked about before thiscame up either.
So, yeah, that's reallyinteresting.
So what spoke to you guys thisweek?
What are you taking beyondSunday from our first week of
Pardon, this Interruption?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I just thought about after listening to the whole
sermon, the scripture Hebrews4.15, really came to my mind
about how this high priestunderstands our weaknesses, for
he faced all of the sametestings we do, yet he did not
sin.
And I think it's very relatableto have people misjudge you and
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your motives, what you're doing, and also your family, and that
is rough.
Like if there's two groups ofpeople that are supposed to like
have your back, it would beyour family and the people in
the church, the religiousleaders, and both of these
people were like nope, no,you're wrong and actually it's
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Satan working through you.
Like that was harsh.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, I think for me beyond Sunday was a little bit
of, probably more of just a reminder.
Um, you know, luther talksabout that in the um eighth
commandment, that we're to putthe best construction on
everything, and yet naturally wedon't do this.
And I think this is why, likeyou know, if I, if I give
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someone a compliment, you knowif I'm sitting there, and it's
you know, seth and Zach arethere and I go Seth, that was
like one of the greatestmessages I've ever heard.
There's this piece that I haveto go like oh, zach, your
messages are good too.
Right reason we have to do thatis because we naturally assume
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and I think it's you know, justin our minds that we're always
putting that well, if someone'ssaying this one thing, it must
mean they mean the bad on theother side, and and and this is
that reminder that, um, we don'thave to look at the bad on the
other side Like a bestconstruction is, like let's give
everyone the grace that thatjust because I say you know that
you're a great painter doesn'tmean that I think another person
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who paints isn't good.
You can both be equally as good, and so, or I can find value in
all those things, and so, yeah,I found it a good reminder for
me to think about that too.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
That was exactly what spoke to me the most about this
.
I really liked how Seth reallyhit on the idea of is when you
build one thing up, it doesn'tmean you have to push another
thing down.
And we just naturally go to thatso much anymore, and I don't
remember when that started Like,I don't remember it being like
that when I was a child manymoons ago, but it just seems it
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comes so natural right now.
So one of the main things thatSeth talked about in this
message is integrity, and hegave us this definition of
integrity when the truth linesup with your word and proof.
So have you guys ever had yourintegrity questioned and if so,
how did you handle it?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think everyone has at some point
, and from small things right,when you say something and then
they tell you you're wrong.
I mean I still remember as akid one time I was at the
doctor's and he had foundsomething in my mom and he was
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like we should.
My mom was a doctor and I wasin the room and he said, well,
we need to test your son becausethis could be genetic and she's
like my son's adopted, we don'tneed to test him.
And he looked at me and I guessI resembled my mom and he goes
well, that's not true.
I don't know why you wouldn'twant to do the testing.
And so she was like what.
And so she was like what, andso she was super upset.
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I think she found a new doctor.
But even I mean I think ithappens all the time I think
people think our motives aresomething.
As a pastor, when I hear peoplesay that the church only cares
about money, I go.
That's an integrity issue.
If you really think that that'swhy I'm a pastor is to try to
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get money like, then I'm in thewrong business and that's not.
I think it's like a sharp swordthat just dives into our pit.
Like it hurts when someonequestions my integrity.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
When you brought up that medical example, I thought
of when I had my first child,ben, and I went in and I was in
labor.
I was very uncomfortable andthey hooked me up to the
machines and they're like youare not in labor, this is not
labor, you're not having anycontractions.
And I was like, yes, yes, I am.
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And they're like it's yourfirst time having a baby, you
don't know.
And then the nurse was like, oh, we don't have the machine
turned to the right nodule orwhatever.
Oh no.
And I was highly in labor andso I just wanted to cry because
I was like, how are you tellingme that I'm not in labor?
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But thank the Lord, you knowshe figured out what knob to
turn on and Ben was born healthy.
But that is rough.
That is rough when people lookat you and you're like you're
not telling the truth and you'relike I am.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I think the hardest situations and there's a couple
of times in my life that I canthink of it or when maybe a
friendship is not working out orsomething's coming apart, and
like there is a case where afriend and I were just—we
couldn't work out ourdifferences, like we were
just—had become at differentpoints in our lives, and I was
trying to apologize for that,like it was what was happening
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and we likely weren't going tobe friends anymore, and I was
apologizing that that hurt.
And she was just telling me, no, I wasn't sorry.
Like, no, you can change this.
No, you're not sorry.
No, you're not.
And I just felt I remember beingat the end of my rope because I
felt like I was doingeverything to try to work things
out for a while, and she wasjust telling me how I felt and I
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remember how hurt I felt aboutthat.
That, no, my heart is reallybreaking in this moment and I'm
sorry that you don't think thatI'm being honest, but, yeah, it
really can, like you said, cutvery deeply.
Yeah, so Seth moved on to talkabout in Mark, where Jesus has
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this time where his family, hisbrothers and even his mother are
kind of accusing him of being,for the most part, crazy, like
they're calling him out.
What's your reaction to Jesus'family being the ones in this
situation to really question hisintegrity, like of all the
people?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, I never like to look back and be like, how
could they do that?
I think, again, this is theMonday morning quarterback,
right, so we're not in thissituation.
I get it like, yes, marypondered and treasured these
things up in her heart.
She knew that her son was, butagain, their expectation of who
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this Messiah was going to be wasradically different than what
God ended up revealing.
And so I can probably look andsay like they're just waiting
for him to do what they thinkhe's supposed to do and then he
doesn't.
And they're like there's alwaysa question like are you the
right one?
Like you know, I mean, this iswhen John the baptizer is
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getting about to be beheaded anddie and sins, and it's like,
hey, I just need to know.
Like, am I putting the hope inthe right one?
Like, help me understand this.
And Jesus is like tell him,here's what he's seen and rest
and know.
So I think for me, I look at itand go.
I would not have been differentIf I were the brother of Jesus
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in that day.
I would have had the samereactions.
I would have thought why aren'tyou getting rid of the Romans?
Why are we taking so long?
Why aren't you setting up theland even greater than what
David had built?
And so like what's taking solong?
Maybe you're not the right oneif you're really struggling on
this.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, it's the same, like when you read the Exodus
and you're tempted to be likeIsraelites, come on, like really
, and then I'm like every timeI'm, then I'm like I would have
done the same thing.
I do do the same thing.
I don't learn the lesson thefirst time, and there's many
times when I should have justkept my mouth shut when I didn't
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and said something instead.
Have just kept my mouth shutwhen I didn't and said something
instead.
And, like you said, jesus'family, they had no idea what
was about to happen and who hewas and how he was going to do
it.
And people were looking at him,at the family, like this is you
know, your family?
Like what are you going to?
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This is not right.
And so I'm sure, like you said,I would have said something
similar or something worse.
You know, but I love that atleast in the scripture you know
there's no sign of Jesusrebuking that.
And he knew he had to haveknown.
He knew he had to have known.
People are going to be soconfused for a long time and he
was, he bared with them.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And this is what I love about it.
So when people say like can Ibe a Christian and have doubts,
can I be a Christian in question, can I be a Christian and say
like is this real?
I want to go?
You better be, because thescriptures are chock full of
doubters, questioners, those whoare like wait, why aren't you
doing it this way?
And so I would say can you be aChristian?
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Absolutely, because you're ahuman, who Jesus gave that.
And actually that then helps uslook and see that our God is a
God who doesn't say you've gotto have me figured out and how
dare you.
Our God is a God who meets uswhere we're at with the grace
that's big enough to carry usthrough our doubts, our
questions and our concerns.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I think yeah, I think of Mary at this time and just
even though all these amazingthings had happened and the
angels told her this, I stillcan't imagine wrapping my human
earthly brain around what Jesusis supposed to be and the idea
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of even his brothers, you know,understanding who he is and how
they can't even imagine whatthis really means.
But they do put all of theseearthly expectations of what
he's going to do.
And then, when the scribes comein, the religious leaders and
have the same thing because,again, this is a broken, sinful
earth and there's no way that wecan really understand what God
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is doing through this.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
And remember, their concept from Mary to the
religious leaders was a savior,not from our sins.
Their concept was a savior fromthe oppression of the Romans
and a restoration of thepromised land.
And so that's what.
Even that, he will be thesavior of the world to Mary,
she's just thinking yeah, getrid of the Romans, why wouldn't
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we?
Yes, this is awesome, god,you've constantly done this.
It's been years and years ofoccupation and then you set us
free, and so this is justanother layer that they're
thinking.
And so, when it doesn't happen,their frustration, their
questioning, they're like it'svery normal.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
It kind of shows how people really haven't changed
too much.
I mean people's every electionthey're like, oh, this is the
political leader that's going todo it, and it never happens
because it's a human every time.
So we're not going to be,there's not going to be a leader
like Jesus in a political realmuntil he returns.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, that's a really great comparison.
So another mention that Sethmade was of the book A Child
Called it, where this motherkind of boosted her own
self-esteem by calling her childan it and not by his name the
entire time that she was raisinghim, and he talked about how
that, in our comparison culture,can sometimes feel, maybe where
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we are.
So how does the comparison tobeing an it speak to you, and
what does God say about havingthat type of comparison?
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I was just talking to a gal who comes to the
Northwest campus and she it wascrazy.
It's not crazy because Godorchestrates these things all
the time, but before the serviceI had listened to it, the first
service at nine, and she cameto 11 and I said, oh, I think
you're really going to get a lotout of this message, because I
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thought of you as I waslistening to it and she told me
we talked about a few thingsshe's going through that are
difficult in life.
But she came down to the factthat she was having trouble
forgiving herself and I didn'trealize how powerful that can be
.
That can be, you know, and itdoesn't make sense.
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If God can forgive us, whywould we not forgive ourselves
as hard as it can be?
So I thought that was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, that, really the story resonated with me.
I didn't know my grandmother'smother for a whole variety of
reasons.
Also, she had passed away, butI had heard enough of her
folklore and she was not a nicewoman, she was a terrible woman.
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She hated other women,including her daughters and
including her granddaughter, heronly granddaughter and she was
vocal about her hatred of themand told them that they were
valueless and worthless and toldthem that they, you know, never
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could make it on their own andthat they weren't even helpful
to their own families and allthese things.
And so when I heard that story,it just— kind of triggered me
back to the dysfunction thatcomes, and, and I think, for me
first of all, I'm alwaysreminded that every human being
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is capable of being a monster,because we're sinners and so so
I think, I think we can all, wecan all find ways, whether it's
a family member, which we can'teven really always imagine, or
whether it's just a person thatwe have zero respect or
tolerance for, to downgrade themand to demean them.
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This is humanity's sinfulness atits brightness.
It's Satan's greatest trick,which is to just kind of say who
are you and you're not worthyof God's love and you're not
worthy to be a God's child.
And so I think when I thinkabout what does God think about
that?
I think he thinks that's why Ihad to send Jesus, and I think
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he knows that he's a God thatneeds to restore our value of
who we are, that we were createdin His image, and that day,
when he returns, that image willbe full and bright and no
longer veiled and no longerfractured.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I can remember when I was a teenager and in youth
group we kind of did a studytalking about self-esteem and
self-worth and there was a pieceof it that was talking about
holding grudges and it talkedabout what holding grudges did
to your own self-worth not theother person, but a part of it.
The teacher said you have toremember that every person that
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you encounter, whether that's agood encounter or a bad
encounter, is also a child ofGod and he created them
intricately, uniquely,especially, and loves them just
as much as he loves you.
And to a teenager who had plentyof people that I hated, you
know I was like whatever youknow.
But I think of that all thetime as I've gotten older and
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even now in my life, people thatI really struggle with.
God created them just to bethat way and I don't know what
they're going through and Idon't know what struggles they
are and they can't be an it tome, you know, because they're
not an it to God.
They are one of His children,just like how precious he sees
me.
And that is sometimes reallyhard to wrap my human brain
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around and more so hard to acton.
But it is something I try toremember in my encounters.
Then there was reconciliationat the end, the nice little bow
at the end of the story, whichdoesn't always happen, but in
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this case there wasreconciliation with this family.
We couldn't imagine anythingdifferent with Jesus.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
But how can this message of family reconciliation
through Christ apply to maybesome broken relationships in
your own life or in ourlisteners' lives?
I thought of the analogy where,like holding a grudge or
holding on to unforgiveness, islike swallowing poison hoping
it's going to kill the otherperson.
Because when you talked aboutyour, was it your
great-grandmother, like I feelterrible for her children, but I
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can't imagine what it felt liketo be hurt too, to have that
much hate and anger in you.
That would be terrible and um.
But yes, jesus broughtrestoration when he said when we
are his children, we are not apart of his family.
And when I was growing up, myparents didn't—they were not
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believers yet, but I hadprecious friends and their
mothers kind of mentored me andI saw what faith grow up in the
faith, and I know that becausehe did it for me.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, I think forgiveness is at such the heart
of this, of reconciliation, andit really does begin with
yourself.
If you can't forgive yourself,you can't forgive others.
It's just impossible to givesomething that you can't receive
, and so we really have to lookat this.
This is also why Paul writes tothe Corinthians and says don't
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come to the Lord's table if youhave a grudge against someone
else.
Like, go and solve that first.
And almost in this respect oflike, that's more important than
you getting, like, go and solvethat first.
And and almost in this respectof like that's more important
than you getting like feedingyourself with the eternal
salvation of Jesus at thatmoment, like, like, fix that
first, um and so.
So that's really powerful tothink about, and I think I think
for me, when I look atreconciliation, first of all,
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those who I'm struggling to havereconciliation and I've
preached about this before I forme, I then have to start
praying that they're blessed,and so, like those that I have
and we all have people that westruggle with I actually, when I
have a thought in my head withthem and I can tell it's like
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not a good thought.
Actually, when I have a thoughtin my head with them and I can
tell it's like not a goodthought.
I then say, okay, lord, likejust bless them, like bless them
immensely, like bless them inphysical ways, in spiritual ways
, in emotional ways, like blessthem.
And that's really hard to do.
But it actually then frees me upin a weird way and I also
remind myself to I can forgive,but it doesn't mean that I have
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to have a relationship.
It doesn't mean that they haveto sit at my dinner table and I
may be able to say, hey, we'regood, I forgive you, but also
for your health, my health.
We just can't haverelationships together, and that
might happen.
We'll have that eternalrelationship with Jesus at the
new heaven and new earth, but inthis life I love you, but I
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also have to have boundarieswith you, and until there's no
more sin or darkness on my sideand on your side, those
boundaries have to be in place.
And so that's that reminderthat that reconciliation can
happen and that forgiveness canhappen and needs to happen,
because if we don't, then itjust destroys us.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I really like that you mentioned praying blessings.
You know asking for blessingson them.
Can you give our listeners alittle summary of my four,
because I want to then mentionsomething after that.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, yeah because I want to then mention something
after that.
Yeah, yeah.
So with the my four, you wantto identify four people that are
either far from God or maybejust a fan of God they're on the
sidelines, but that you knowneed to come into a relationship
with Jesus.
So you identify them.
Second, then, you just want toinclude them into your daily
rhythms and routines ofspiritual things.
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So prayer, you know, if you seethem at the water cooler of just
saying like what's going on orhow can I pray for you?
Or even just offering prayersof blessing and thanksgiving and
gratitude, and then eventuallyinvite them.
Invite them into something thatis a spiritual step, whether
that's that conversation,whether that's an invitation to
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an event at a church, or even aconversation or a church service
, something like that and thenfinally inspiring them to do the
same with four others.
And what I also love about itis this is not a do this in a
year.
This could take a lifetime.
For one of my family members,it took me 18 years to finally
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get to where we invited into aspiritual conversation and now
the door's open where I'msending them Instagram reels and
Bible project videos and allthose things.
But it was 18 years of mepraying that God would open that
invitation door.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
So I thought of that because, when I was thinking
about this reconciliation,there's a person that's on my my
four when we did it as acongregation.
That's one of those people thatI have a completely broken
relationship for, but I stillsee this person regularly
because we have people that arefriends with both of us and I
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want them to go to heaven.
So they are somebody that I amworking the process, and it may
take a lifetime before we getthere, but I just immediately
thought of that when he wastalking about the reconciliation
of that person on my floor.
All right, so what are yourfinal takeaways from this first
message in our Pardon, thisInterruption series?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I can't wait for message two.
I mean, I just I think this wasa great.
You know, here's what I loveabout King of Kings is just the
team and everyone's so creative.
But every single message isjust diving us deeper into the
scriptures.
And, you know, even though wedo a lot of topical, at the end
of the day it's honestly nottopical.
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Every one of our messages arebiblical.
They're just in a way thatbecomes really relevant and
applicable, and so this messageto me was one of those that I
just said.
This was a home run.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I agree and I love that he came back around to show
how Mary and James and Judechanged.
And I mean Mary was there whenJesus was on the cross, faithful
to the end, and James and Judebecame pillars in the early
church, martyrs for their faith.
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I mean Jesus was with them forthe long game and even despite
their early doubts and questions.
Again it shows we're allowed.
We're allowed to have doubts,we're allowed to have questions.
Jesus, that will not keep Jesusfrom us.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I really liked one of the lines.
I wrote it down.
That Seth said was hold thehigher grace.
His meaning, god's integrity,is shown through your
interactions, and I was like, oh, that was a little conviction
and a little all right.
I got to remember that, youknow, my interactions just
reflect his integrity, not justmy own.
The other thing I wanted tomention before we go is if you
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don't have the King of Kings app, you should check it out.
It's a free download and thismonth, as we're going through
this series, you're going to getsome pushes to get through the
Book of Mark and so you can getnotifications on that from the
app as we go through the Book ofMark during this one.
So thank you guys, so much forbeing here and we'll look
forward to next week's messageand until then, let's keep
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living our faith beyond Sunday.
Welcome to Beyond Sunday, the King of Kings
podcast, where we dive a littlebit deeper into our message
series and see what we're takingBeyond Sunday.
My name is Dena Newsome and Iam honored to have a couple of
great guests today.
Feel free to introduceyourselves.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm Greg.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And I'm Kate Solberg.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, thanks for being here today.
I don't know if you guys knowit, but today is international
International, not for beinghere today.
Yeah, I don't know if you guysknow it, but today is
international International, notjust national Sudoku Day.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh, I hate those, do you?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
My question is are you a Sudoku person or what like
word game or number game do youlike?
Is there one that really youknow you have to do?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You're a crossword person, so fun thing is not
about me and she's staying atour house, so tonight I'll have
to tell her.
My mother-in-law does a sudokuthing every single day and so at
our house every morning shewill print the sudoku sheets and
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then do those.
So she prints them out on ourprinter and then, uh, does one
probably.
She's up around 5 am, does,does a sudoku and then is done.
So apparently it's supposed tohelp like stave off all cybers
yeah, like there's.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It activates pieces of your brain, supposedly to
help with that.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, mine, mine doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm.
I like the wordle.
You're the one.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Is there only one of me?
I think so.
No, there's two Cause I likethat too, so, there's at least
two of us.
So does one of our volunteersyeah?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I used to do it with my class at the end of the day,
like, you know, just somethingfun to end the day with.
But then I was like you guysare messing it up, you're not
doing it right, so I just do itby myself now.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You should do it at the end of the day with Peter
and see, I think that'd be sofun to try a Wordle with Peter.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
No comment.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I love word finds.
I enjoy crossword puzzles orSudoku now and then, but I
really like word finds Are thoseword searches.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Is that what it is?
I've never heard it as a wordfind.
Oh, that's what I called itgrowing up, I guess.
Oh, really, Okay yeah wordsearch word find whatever.
Okay, word searches, Okay yeahyeah, okay, word find is fine.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I actually bought my first crossword puzzle book and
I thought, ooh, I've crossedover into middle age for sure.
Now, Just because they say likeit's not good to look at your
phone before bed, like the 30minutes or 40.
I'm like I'm going to get acrossword book and sure enough,
I've gotten some judgmentallooks from my children, but
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that's fine, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I like those type of puzzle things.
Those are fun.
Do you feel better going to bed?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
after you've gotten some.
Yes, and I like to read bestbefore, but I don't always have
a book I'm dying to read, sothen I got my backup crossword
book to do so.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I think if I did crosswords before bed, I would
like not fall asleep because I'dstill be thinking about the
ones that.
I'd be obsessing about themwhat's this one?
And then I'd have to get up andsee if that worked.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
No, I don't think one thought of it after I closed
the book.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
It's good night.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I hate crosswords.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
For a reason, or just you always have I never, can
figure them out.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I've never been able to.
I don't like them at all.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I do them with pencil and then you know, so that you
can swap it up.
Yeah, then you're notfrustrated.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I would do them with a Sharpie.
No, and the lines don't matter,so my words work.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
No matter what no matter what, no matter what.
That sounds terrible.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
One of my grandmas used to do the crossword puzzle
in the newspaper and I used tosit and watch her and every once
in a while she would have asquare that she divided into
half.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I put two letters because it was the only answer
that didn't fit I like thatNever thought of that.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
That's a great idea, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
That's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Okay, well, this week we started a new message series
here at King of Kings calledPardon, this Interruption, and
we got to hear from our campuspastor here at Millard, pastor
Seth Flick.
This is his first messageseries that he's preaching and
this is really focusing on thebook of Mark, the gospel of Mark
(04:24):
and Greg.
Would you give us?
There's a quirky thing aboutthe book of Mark and the way
that this fits intointerruptions.
Can you kind of summarize that?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, super cool.
Actually, it was Kevin McClurewho brought this about a year
ago.
And then it was like, oh wow,this is really neat.
So, yeah, jesus, and Mark Markrecords some events of Jesus and
some stories of Jesus, where hestarts with one and then, like
this middle story doesn't seemto relate at all, and then this
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end story just ties everythingback together and so it's almost
like a sandwich, where you'relike I've got two pieces of
bread and then all of a suddenthere's like liverwurst in the
middle and you're like what'vegot two pieces of bread and then
all of a sudden there's likeliverwurst in the middle and
you're like, what you know, canthey work together?
And then it's like, oh wow,this is a good.
I think liverwurst sandwichesare terrible, but anyways, I
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don't know if I've ever had one,but yeah, so that's, that's
what's happening, and so that'sthe interruption is like you're
just like where's the story from?
And then there's a masterfulway at the end that just brings
it all back together.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, it's really unique and I had never heard
that talked about before thiscame up either.
So, yeah, that's reallyinteresting.
So what spoke to you guys thisweek?
What are you taking beyondSunday from our first week of
Pardon, this Interruption?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I just thought about after listening to the whole
sermon, the scripture Hebrews4.15, really came to my mind
about how this high priestunderstands our weaknesses, for
he faced all of the sametestings we do, yet he did not
sin.
And I think it's very relatableto have people misjudge you and
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your motives, what you're doing, and also your family, and that
is rough.
Like if there's two groups ofpeople that are supposed to like
have your back, it would beyour family and the people in
the church, the religiousleaders, and both of these
people were like nope, no,you're wrong and actually it's
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Satan working through you.
Like that was harsh.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, I think for me beyond Sunday was a little bit
of, probably more of just a reminder.
Um, you know, luther talksabout that in the um eighth
commandment, that we're to putthe best construction on
everything, and yet naturally wedon't do this.
And I think this is why, likeyou know, if I, if I give
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someone a compliment, you knowif I'm sitting there, and it's
you know, seth and Zach arethere and I go Seth, that was
like one of the greatestmessages I've ever heard.
There's this piece that I haveto go like oh, zach, your
messages are good too.
Right reason we have to do thatis because we naturally assume
(07:27):
and I think it's you know, justin our minds that we're always
putting that well, if someone'ssaying this one thing, it must
mean they mean the bad on theother side, and and and this is
that reminder that, um, we don'thave to look at the bad on the
other side Like a bestconstruction is, like let's give
everyone the grace that thatjust because I say you know that
you're a great painter doesn'tmean that I think another person
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who paints isn't good.
You can both be equally as good, and so, or I can find value in
all those things, and so, yeah,I found it a good reminder for
me to think about that too.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
That was exactly what spoke to me the most about this
.
I really liked how Seth reallyhit on the idea of is when you
build one thing up, it doesn'tmean you have to push another
thing down.
And we just naturally go to thatso much anymore, and I don't
remember when that started Like,I don't remember it being like
that when I was a child manymoons ago, but it just seems it
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comes so natural right now.
So one of the main things thatSeth talked about in this
message is integrity, and hegave us this definition of
integrity when the truth linesup with your word and proof.
So have you guys ever had yourintegrity questioned and if so,
how did you handle it?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think everyone has at some point
, and from small things right,when you say something and then
they tell you you're wrong.
I mean I still remember as akid one time I was at the
doctor's and he had foundsomething in my mom and he was
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like we should.
My mom was a doctor and I wasin the room and he said, well,
we need to test your son becausethis could be genetic and she's
like my son's adopted, we don'tneed to test him.
And he looked at me and I guessI resembled my mom and he goes
well, that's not true.
I don't know why you wouldn'twant to do the testing.
And so she was like what.
And so she was like what, andso she was super upset.
(09:33):
I think she found a new doctor.
But even I mean I think ithappens all the time I think
people think our motives aresomething.
As a pastor, when I hear peoplesay that the church only cares
about money, I go.
That's an integrity issue.
If you really think that that'swhy I'm a pastor is to try to
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get money like, then I'm in thewrong business and that's not.
I think it's like a sharp swordthat just dives into our pit.
Like it hurts when someonequestions my integrity.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
When you brought up that medical example, I thought
of when I had my first child,ben, and I went in and I was in
labor.
I was very uncomfortable andthey hooked me up to the
machines and they're like youare not in labor, this is not
labor, you're not having anycontractions.
And I was like, yes, yes, I am.
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And they're like it's yourfirst time having a baby, you
don't know.
And then the nurse was like, oh, we don't have the machine
turned to the right nodule orwhatever.
Oh no.
And I was highly in labor andso I just wanted to cry because
I was like, how are you tellingme that I'm not in labor?
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But thank the Lord, you knowshe figured out what knob to
turn on and Ben was born healthy.
But that is rough.
That is rough when people lookat you and you're like you're
not telling the truth and you'relike I am.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I think the hardest situations and there's a couple
of times in my life that I canthink of it or when maybe a
friendship is not working out orsomething's coming apart, and
like there is a case where afriend and I were just—we
couldn't work out ourdifferences, like we were
just—had become at differentpoints in our lives, and I was
trying to apologize for that,like it was what was happening
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and we likely weren't going tobe friends anymore, and I was
apologizing that that hurt.
And she was just telling me, no, I wasn't sorry.
Like, no, you can change this.
No, you're not sorry.
No, you're not.
And I just felt I remember beingat the end of my rope because I
felt like I was doingeverything to try to work things
out for a while, and she wasjust telling me how I felt and I
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remember how hurt I felt aboutthat.
That, no, my heart is reallybreaking in this moment and I'm
sorry that you don't think thatI'm being honest, but, yeah, it
really can, like you said, cutvery deeply.
Yeah, so Seth moved on to talkabout in Mark, where Jesus has
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this time where his family, hisbrothers and even his mother are
kind of accusing him of being,for the most part, crazy, like
they're calling him out.
What's your reaction to Jesus'family being the ones in this
situation to really question hisintegrity, like of all the
people?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, I never like to look back and be like, how
could they do that?
I think, again, this is theMonday morning quarterback,
right, so we're not in thissituation.
I get it like, yes, marypondered and treasured these
things up in her heart.
She knew that her son was, butagain, their expectation of who
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this Messiah was going to be wasradically different than what
God ended up revealing.
And so I can probably look andsay like they're just waiting
for him to do what they thinkhe's supposed to do and then he
doesn't.
And they're like there's alwaysa question like are you the
right one?
Like you know, I mean, this iswhen John the baptizer is
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getting about to be beheaded anddie and sins, and it's like,
hey, I just need to know.
Like, am I putting the hope inthe right one?
Like, help me understand this.
And Jesus is like tell him,here's what he's seen and rest
and know.
So I think for me, I look at itand go.
I would not have been differentIf I were the brother of Jesus
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in that day.
I would have had the samereactions.
I would have thought why aren'tyou getting rid of the Romans?
Why are we taking so long?
Why aren't you setting up theland even greater than what
David had built?
And so like what's taking solong?
Maybe you're not the right oneif you're really struggling on
this.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, it's the same, like when you read the Exodus
and you're tempted to be likeIsraelites, come on, like really
, and then I'm like every timeI'm, then I'm like I would have
done the same thing.
I do do the same thing.
I don't learn the lesson thefirst time, and there's many
times when I should have justkept my mouth shut when I didn't
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and said something instead.
Have just kept my mouth shutwhen I didn't and said something
instead.
And, like you said, jesus'family, they had no idea what
was about to happen and who hewas and how he was going to do
it.
And people were looking at him,at the family, like this is you
know, your family?
Like what are you going to?
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This is not right.
And so I'm sure, like you said,I would have said something
similar or something worse.
You know, but I love that atleast in the scripture you know
there's no sign of Jesusrebuking that.
And he knew he had to haveknown.
He knew he had to have known.
People are going to be soconfused for a long time and he
was, he bared with them.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And this is what I love about it.
So when people say like can Ibe a Christian and have doubts,
can I be a Christian in question, can I be a Christian and say
like is this real?
I want to go?
You better be, because thescriptures are chock full of
doubters, questioners, those whoare like wait, why aren't you
doing it this way?
And so I would say can you be aChristian?
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Absolutely, because you're ahuman, who Jesus gave that.
And actually that then helps uslook and see that our God is a
God who doesn't say you've gotto have me figured out and how
dare you.
Our God is a God who meets uswhere we're at with the grace
that's big enough to carry usthrough our doubts, our
questions and our concerns.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I think yeah, I think of Mary at this time and just
even though all these amazingthings had happened and the
angels told her this, I stillcan't imagine wrapping my human
earthly brain around what Jesusis supposed to be and the idea
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of even his brothers, you know,understanding who he is and how
they can't even imagine whatthis really means.
But they do put all of theseearthly expectations of what
he's going to do.
And then, when the scribes comein, the religious leaders and
have the same thing because,again, this is a broken, sinful
earth and there's no way that wecan really understand what God
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is doing through this.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
And remember, their concept from Mary to the
religious leaders was a savior,not from our sins.
Their concept was a savior fromthe oppression of the Romans
and a restoration of thepromised land.
And so that's what.
Even that, he will be thesavior of the world to Mary,
she's just thinking yeah, getrid of the Romans, why wouldn't
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we?
Yes, this is awesome, god,you've constantly done this.
It's been years and years ofoccupation and then you set us
free, and so this is justanother layer that they're
thinking.
And so, when it doesn't happen,their frustration, their
questioning, they're like it'svery normal.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
It kind of shows how people really haven't changed
too much.
I mean people's every electionthey're like, oh, this is the
political leader that's going todo it, and it never happens
because it's a human every time.
So we're not going to be,there's not going to be a leader
like Jesus in a political realmuntil he returns.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, that's a really great comparison.
So another mention that Sethmade was of the book A Child
Called it, where this motherkind of boosted her own
self-esteem by calling her childan it and not by his name the
entire time that she was raisinghim, and he talked about how
that, in our comparison culture,can sometimes feel, maybe where
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we are.
So how does the comparison tobeing an it speak to you, and
what does God say about havingthat type of comparison?
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I was just talking to a gal who comes to the
Northwest campus and she it wascrazy.
It's not crazy because Godorchestrates these things all
the time, but before the serviceI had listened to it, the first
service at nine, and she cameto 11 and I said, oh, I think
you're really going to get a lotout of this message, because I
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thought of you as I waslistening to it and she told me
we talked about a few thingsshe's going through that are
difficult in life.
But she came down to the factthat she was having trouble
forgiving herself and I didn'trealize how powerful that can be
.
That can be, you know, and itdoesn't make sense.
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If God can forgive us, whywould we not forgive ourselves
as hard as it can be?
So I thought that was beautiful.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, that, really the story resonated with me.
I didn't know my grandmother'smother for a whole variety of
reasons.
Also, she had passed away, butI had heard enough of her
folklore and she was not a nicewoman, she was a terrible woman.
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She hated other women,including her daughters and
including her granddaughter, heronly granddaughter and she was
vocal about her hatred of themand told them that they were
valueless and worthless and toldthem that they, you know, never
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could make it on their own andthat they weren't even helpful
to their own families and allthese things.
And so when I heard that story,it just— kind of triggered me
back to the dysfunction thatcomes, and, and I think, for me
first of all, I'm alwaysreminded that every human being
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is capable of being a monster,because we're sinners and so so
I think, I think we can all, wecan all find ways, whether it's
a family member, which we can'teven really always imagine, or
whether it's just a person thatwe have zero respect or
tolerance for, to downgrade themand to demean them.
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This is humanity's sinfulness atits brightness.
It's Satan's greatest trick,which is to just kind of say who
are you and you're not worthyof God's love and you're not
worthy to be a God's child.
And so I think when I thinkabout what does God think about
that?
I think he thinks that's why Ihad to send Jesus, and I think
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he knows that he's a God thatneeds to restore our value of
who we are, that we were createdin His image, and that day,
when he returns, that image willbe full and bright and no
longer veiled and no longerfractured.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I can remember when I was a teenager and in youth
group we kind of did a studytalking about self-esteem and
self-worth and there was a pieceof it that was talking about
holding grudges and it talkedabout what holding grudges did
to your own self-worth not theother person, but a part of it.
The teacher said you have toremember that every person that
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you encounter, whether that's agood encounter or a bad
encounter, is also a child ofGod and he created them
intricately, uniquely,especially, and loves them just
as much as he loves you.
And to a teenager who had plentyof people that I hated, you
know I was like whatever youknow.
But I think of that all thetime as I've gotten older and
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even now in my life, people thatI really struggle with.
God created them just to bethat way and I don't know what
they're going through and Idon't know what struggles they
are and they can't be an it tome, you know, because they're
not an it to God.
They are one of His children,just like how precious he sees
me.
And that is sometimes reallyhard to wrap my human brain
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around and more so hard to acton.
But it is something I try toremember in my encounters.
Then there was reconciliationat the end, the nice little bow
at the end of the story, whichdoesn't always happen, but in
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this case there wasreconciliation with this family.
We couldn't imagine anythingdifferent with Jesus.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
But how can this message of family reconciliation
through Christ apply to maybesome broken relationships in
your own life or in ourlisteners' lives?
I thought of the analogy where,like holding a grudge or
holding on to unforgiveness, islike swallowing poison hoping
it's going to kill the otherperson.
Because when you talked aboutyour, was it your
great-grandmother, like I feelterrible for her children, but I
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can't imagine what it felt liketo be hurt too, to have that
much hate and anger in you.
That would be terrible and um.
But yes, jesus broughtrestoration when he said when we
are his children, we are not apart of his family.
And when I was growing up, myparents didn't—they were not
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believers yet, but I hadprecious friends and their
mothers kind of mentored me andI saw what faith grow up in the
faith, and I know that becausehe did it for me.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, I think forgiveness is at such the heart
of this, of reconciliation, andit really does begin with
yourself.
If you can't forgive yourself,you can't forgive others.
It's just impossible to givesomething that you can't receive
, and so we really have to lookat this.
This is also why Paul writes tothe Corinthians and says don't
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come to the Lord's table if youhave a grudge against someone
else.
Like, go and solve that first.
And almost in this respect oflike, that's more important than
you getting, like, go and solvethat first.
And and almost in this respectof like that's more important
than you getting like feedingyourself with the eternal
salvation of Jesus at thatmoment, like, like, fix that
first, um and so.
So that's really powerful tothink about, and I think I think
for me, when I look atreconciliation, first of all,
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those who I'm struggling to havereconciliation and I've
preached about this before I forme, I then have to start
praying that they're blessed,and so, like those that I have
and we all have people that westruggle with I actually, when I
have a thought in my head withthem and I can tell it's like
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not a good thought.
Actually, when I have a thoughtin my head with them and I can
tell it's like not a goodthought.
I then say, okay, lord, likejust bless them, like bless them
immensely, like bless them inphysical ways, in spiritual ways
, in emotional ways, like blessthem.
And that's really hard to do.
But it actually then frees me upin a weird way and I also
remind myself to I can forgive,but it doesn't mean that I have
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to have a relationship.
It doesn't mean that they haveto sit at my dinner table and I
may be able to say, hey, we'regood, I forgive you, but also
for your health, my health.
We just can't haverelationships together, and that
might happen.
We'll have that eternalrelationship with Jesus at the
new heaven and new earth, but inthis life I love you, but I
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also have to have boundarieswith you, and until there's no
more sin or darkness on my sideand on your side, those
boundaries have to be in place.
And so that's that reminderthat that reconciliation can
happen and that forgiveness canhappen and needs to happen,
because if we don't, then itjust destroys us.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I really like that you mentioned praying blessings.
You know asking for blessingson them.
Can you give our listeners alittle summary of my four,
because I want to then mentionsomething after that.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, yeah because I want to then mention something
after that.
Yeah, yeah.
So with the my four, you wantto identify four people that are
either far from God or maybejust a fan of God they're on the
sidelines, but that you knowneed to come into a relationship
with Jesus.
So you identify them.
Second, then, you just want toinclude them into your daily
rhythms and routines ofspiritual things.
(27:37):
So prayer, you know, if you seethem at the water cooler of just
saying like what's going on orhow can I pray for you?
Or even just offering prayersof blessing and thanksgiving and
gratitude, and then eventuallyinvite them.
Invite them into something thatis a spiritual step, whether
that's that conversation,whether that's an invitation to
(27:59):
an event at a church, or even aconversation or a church service
, something like that and thenfinally inspiring them to do the
same with four others.
And what I also love about itis this is not a do this in a
year.
This could take a lifetime.
For one of my family members,it took me 18 years to finally
(28:20):
get to where we invited into aspiritual conversation and now
the door's open where I'msending them Instagram reels and
Bible project videos and allthose things.
But it was 18 years of mepraying that God would open that
invitation door.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
So I thought of that because, when I was thinking
about this reconciliation,there's a person that's on my my
four when we did it as acongregation.
That's one of those people thatI have a completely broken
relationship for, but I stillsee this person regularly
because we have people that arefriends with both of us and I
(29:00):
want them to go to heaven.
So they are somebody that I amworking the process, and it may
take a lifetime before we getthere, but I just immediately
thought of that when he wastalking about the reconciliation
of that person on my floor.
All right, so what are yourfinal takeaways from this first
message in our Pardon, thisInterruption series?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I can't wait for message two.
I mean, I just I think this wasa great.
You know, here's what I loveabout King of Kings is just the
team and everyone's so creative.
But every single message isjust diving us deeper into the
scriptures.
And, you know, even though wedo a lot of topical, at the end
of the day it's honestly nottopical.
(29:42):
Every one of our messages arebiblical.
They're just in a way thatbecomes really relevant and
applicable, and so this messageto me was one of those that I
just said.
This was a home run.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I agree and I love that he came back around to show
how Mary and James and Judechanged.
And I mean Mary was there whenJesus was on the cross, faithful
to the end, and James and Judebecame pillars in the early
church, martyrs for their faith.
(30:16):
I mean Jesus was with them forthe long game and even despite
their early doubts and questions.
Again it shows we're allowed.
We're allowed to have doubts,we're allowed to have questions.
Jesus, that will not keep Jesusfrom us.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I really liked one of the lines.
I wrote it down.
That Seth said was hold thehigher grace.
His meaning, god's integrity,is shown through your
interactions, and I was like, oh, that was a little conviction
and a little all right.
I got to remember that, youknow, my interactions just
reflect his integrity, not justmy own.
The other thing I wanted tomention before we go is if you
(30:56):
don't have the King of Kings app, you should check it out.
It's a free download and thismonth, as we're going through
this series, you're going to getsome pushes to get through the
Book of Mark and so you can getnotifications on that from the
app as we go through the Book ofMark during this one.
So thank you guys, so much forbeing here and we'll look
forward to next week's messageand until then, let's keep
(31:17):
living our faith beyond Sunday.
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