Adam Moody of Alchemy-29

Adam Moody speaks about his time with Lowell and new adventures with Alchemy-29. At Alchemy 29, they have a passionate team of chemists, cultivators, geneticists, designers, PHD’s & connoisseurs dedicated to purifying, maturing, and perfecting cannabis on every level possible. They are crafting the future of cannabis cultivation & extraction

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nod out with us. Our guests today, Adam Moody, thank
you so much for coming on. He's the director of
manufacturing at Alchemy twenty nine Extracting and Processing. Now check
out the website Alchemy dash twenty nine, which is a L. H. E. M.
Y Dash twenty nine dot com. Are on Instagram at

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Alchemy dot twenty nine. Over at Alchemy twenty nine. They
are crafting the future of cannabis cultivation and extraction. Now,
this is amazing about these guys because they're all chemists
attempt to purify, mature, and perfect certain materials. At Alchemy
twenty nine, they have a passionate team of chemists, culturvaders, genetics, designers,

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pH d s, and connoisseurs dedicated to purifying, maturing, and
perfecting the cannabis at every level possible. And listening to you,
Adam outside, I know you said you geek off just
staying in the lab doing this. They are crafting the
future of cannabis cultivating and extraction. Now. Adam went to
the University of California educated in business, economics and political

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science with specializations and operational organization, optimization, manufacturing process, labor utilizations,
through put, and competitive analysis. Welcome to the show. I
actually had to look up the word through put because
it did not know what that means. And that's just
very thorough and I loved it that I had to
even do research on that. Adam, Welcome to the show.
It is great to have you. I want to talk

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about your company and just to even put this out
there for the listeners. Were also going to talk to
him because he worked at Lowell, and Lowell was a
whole dynamic of drama and ironic things that happened. And
I definitely want to go down that road with you, Adam,
and I know you're open to it. But let's talk
first about what you're currently doing. Because this company that
everything I just read is right up our alley, meaning

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you guys are doing research. You guys are looking for
what's best for people. You guys are using chemists, you
guys PhDs, you're using all these people that have brains
to create things to better make cannabis use for the environments. Right,
that's what you guys are doing, absolutely, and we're thinking
towards cannabis three point out. You know, it's all about

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modernization and evolution of industries, and we're thinking it's finally
time to come out of the shadows and start putting
in automation, start putting in research, development and proprietary methods
and back except to you know, how do you even
get involved and something like that? What what is your
childhood take you to? Before? He like, oh my god,
you know you're playing with all these labs and your
chemist basically in there messing with you know, multimillion dollar

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property into tease and all these other things. How did
it even come to walk us through your story? It's
completely surreal, to be honest with you. I never thought
I was going to get into the cannabis industry. It
happened kind of all at once. So I moved to
Irvine to go to college to start my business degree Irvine. Yeah. So,
so I I got on the internet and at the

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time I think it was it wasn't weed Maps, but
they had a different one of those proprieted marketing websites.
And I remember leaf before even Leafley. We that's a
good one. We'd find we'd find her place, hold their
name whatever. So I looked up a dispensary and I
found what advertised itself as a Los Angeles dispensary in

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Lake Forest. So I got in my car. I had
headed down to Raymond Street, right off of El Toro,
and behind this uh sushi restaurant that couldn't even spell
all you can Eat, there was a dispensary and behind
this white door there there was this tall gentleman and
his two bud tenders and they were just hustling out
of courage ours and I remember ending behind six or
seven people waiting for you must have been five minutes

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for them to get me to the front of the line.
I remember I got I walked up to the owner
and I just said, you need another guy on the scale.
And that was my first day in cannabis. Adam, did
you know that that shop was illegal at the time?
This was two fifteen, so like they were claiming to
be illegal. But once again, let me ask you the
same question, Adam, at that time, did you know that
was still an illegal shop? I had no idea. I

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was bushytail than Brian eyed. I I didn't even know.
That's so funny though about the industry that like thinking
when you say Lake four is like, dude, there's nothing
legal that far south? You gotter go further south? Are
you better go north than ever? And never? And I
came from out Lay. There were dispensaries here and we
just used to go in and out of them like
it was not a lot of the we are they
all legal? Legal? Right? Exactly? It's it's but it's hard

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and I'm not condemning you. I'm actually like everybody. But
he's talking about ten years ago right, yeah, I mean yeah,
I mean this was two thousand five. It could happen today.
Dogging Lake Forest right now, some kid that's, you know,
twenty years old here in California and it is happening,
and only that they're they're working there, and they're like

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telling their friends, I work here, and where do you live.
We've talked to girls that work at shop. No, this
shop is legit. It's happening like no, one's not. You're
in Anaheim. Oh no, we're super legit. No, you're here.
You can't be if you're here, you know, Lincoln. No.
So I think you guys are seeing ahead at the
story a little bit, but like you can see they
just right on YouTube help yourselves and go watch what

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you found out there the raid for this dispensary. And
that's when I found out that I was. I'm on
camera and that raid. Tell me the story of the raid,
walk us through that first experience. Oh yeah, so that
we get this, like just we hear the shuddering bang.
And by the time the raid happened, I was managing
this dispenser, recounting money in the back, making trips to humbles.
You open the front to the manager I went from

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a scale to a manager in three weeks. I elevate quickly.
So so I'm sitting, I don't expect nothing less for you,
and I do the best for my where I work.
So I was happy to be there and I was
doing good work for this guy. And so we hear
this giant thud at the door, and then another giant
thud at the door. We looked down at the cameras
and we just see it looks like just guys with

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machine guns and masks. At first, we don't even know
that it's the police. We think we're robbed. Yeah, first,
your first instinct is these guys are robbing us. The
first thing we do is you try to high tail
it out the back door, and then you get a
uniform guy puts the gun right in your face, and
that's the moment you realize, oh shit, this is it's
the cops. You know, Like you walk your butt back inside,
you get on the floor, you spread your arms out,

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and then you start pondering to yourself, where did I
go wrong? You know, like, where did this legal operation?
Because again at the time, I was twenty years old,
very bushy tail, like I've walked into there like as
a customer thing, I like, wait, I'll get a disco.
This is yeah, man, this guy's got tattoos. He's way
cooler than me. Like he's got my back, let's go. Yeah.

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And you know how I was back in the day,
you know, I always had like the pretty girl up
front the receptionists. Now you have a guy with a
gun and a body armor. But back in the day,
like that was your you know, They're like, so it
was a very different time back then. And I remember
that was when I learned stubbornness. You know, like after
we after we got we bailed out of jail, we
we found all of our houses were destroyed, all of it.
They took all the flour. But we had been storing

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our hash in the freezer and under some ice cream,
and they left the ice cream and they left all
the hash. So after getting absolutely Tarantino level blittered obliterated,
we basically just put the hash in the ice cream
on all the shelf and just reopened the fence. We
were like, I gotta start somewhere, and like all of
our contacts at the time felt bad. They immediately sent
their careers down. They immediately resupplied the store and probably

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three months later rated again you know, like like they
don't they take they don't find it very promising that
you do the exact same thing immediately after they tell
you that it's wrong. But again I was stubborn by
this point, like I was self righteous. I like our
lawyer had told us, we're going to get you off.
This is absolutely totally fine. You know, you know you
always hear that story of this, like these impassioned defenses,

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but no, you just sit in court for six years
and talk about nonsense. You know, it happen. So so
eventually I did stop doing retail. So, like I, I
agreed with the district attorney, you went to the jail,
you served in and out eleven days in and out.
That I ended up pleading to a misdemeanor and I
painted the curbs at Huntington Steep State Beach. That was
my penalty. You had to renting releasing a location for

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It's called community service. Yeah it was community service. Yeah
we'll let you go. Yeah yeah, so they so they
so let me go, but but like they with a
very strong warning that this is not for you, and like,
go do something else. You're a smart kid, Go have
go do something else. So so my brilliant mind decides
that I'm gonna go start growing weed in Santa Cruz.
You know, like like what's the next step, you know,
like go behind the tree. So you did get a case,

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so a minor one, you know, like like infraction or misdemeanors. Yeah,
like misdemeanter probation. So I had to I had to
be good. Yeah, it was informals, grow weak. I mean
that's what we always have been told is just go
up north and you get a really good probation officer
and then you just go back to work. You know.
It's like education. Like yeah, I always say you guys
talking about university, you know, like I went to u

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C I for college, but like I went to Upper
Division Weed School. Yeah, that was grad school there. We
go exactly my doctorate. So we started doing forever flowers,
like during the end of Prop. Two fifteen when when
recreation was coming in, and we we did eight uh
light assisted greenhouses on a sand on a Watsonville property

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and and now the entire county is covered in them. Yeah,
it's really just an honor to be a part of it.
Like we we we talked about it tongue in cheek,
like like we knew it was illegal, but I don't
think that really mattered as much as it does now.
You know, like now we have to keep clean and
make sure that like we we operate our businesses with
the utmost like efficiency and compliance. But like back then,

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like there wasn't compliance. You know, buy cannabis from anybody
who's selling it and put it out and this and that. Now,
like even working at a company where you're at, You're like, okay,
we can't do a none of that stuff. Yeah they
grab this, can't grab that. Now it's got to go
straight through this and no, it's gotta go through metrics
exactly Now. I mean it's such a it's such a
different um you know, industry, but but yet needs to
be uh you know so regulated at the moment because

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you know, if not, then there's too many corners gonna
be cut, right and the safety of whomever is taking
it in I guess would be important. Hunter personally, I
couldn't agree more. Like fast forward ten years and I'm
doing a forensic audit with c d pH as a
representative of low and like I passed that thing with
flying colors and this is the same whippers napper. We
thought he would go to Santa Cruise and learn how

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to grow as a like informal probation on it, you know,
like I have a clean record now, I live scan
for compliant for licenses, and and now now I do
believe just like you, that we need to clean the
industry up. Passionate operators are not an excuse for cutting corners,
just like you said. And again, I'm sure we'll talk
about it a little bit more exactly. It's like, there's
so many talented people in this industry, but like the

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ones that we talk about most are the ones that
really just crashed straight into a brake wall for us.
Do you want to touch Lowell before we get into
your new company or you want to go We're gonna
come back. We're gonna talk to Adam Moody about his
new company, Alchemy twenty nine. It's Cannabis Talk one on one.
Will right back after this. We'll be right back with
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at a moody, I love what your company is currently

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doing right now. Everything I've read so far so and
everything that you talked about now overheard you speaking on
the stories of the labs that you're in and the
things that you're making and the first things that you've
made and created and come up with, and you're such
a I like to call genius to be honest with you,
because like when I hear you you talking and people
like you talking about things like that, I go, that's
fucking genius, because who comes up with making glad making this,

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making that, and how do you even fathom trying to
do and come up with these different things? So what
is it that your company is doing and what are
you doing over there with them at good Old Alchemy.
So we're trying to introduce a new concept called farmed
Package where we want to vertically integrate the entire process
that takes the distribution distribution model and starts it from processing.

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So we really want to go to the farms, we
want to help them do the final harvesting stage, take
it to one of our auto curring facilities that we're
designing ourselves, and then use that PRODUCTSS to break it
down into the different products that people want to sell,
and then use our distribution capabilities to move it. The
goal being is to to basically cooperate with the smaller
farmers and the social equity partners that are really getting

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left behind. Like we we we wanted to start with
a lower income county so that we had the opportunity
to work with farms that we're really falling behind. I mean,
once you have the decline and weed prices, a lot
of these guys don't really have the capability of getting
their product to distributors that will package it. So we
came up with this model that what we would do
is we would just take that middleman out and become

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that become that partner with the brands. So they still
own the I P, they still on the packaging, they
still own the genetics, or they can acquire them from us.
But the idea is is we take out the need
to buy a three dollar machine, we take out the
need to buy a production line, and all of our
lines are automated, So we're talking about minimizing costs per
touch so that we can do this at the at

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a savings to an operator that would otherwise have to
finance equipment to enter in the space. The goal of
viously for any co packer and white labelers to give
them a step up and then eventually obviously they'll they'll
develop themselves and make their own product. But by putting
me in the role that I'm in, I can really
give them some insight and how to design products that
they would not have otherwise thought, and how to use
different byproducts to maximize profits, increase revenue, and and really

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create market share where they didn't otherwise think it existed. No, no, no, no,
is that a service that you're you're taking on. You're saying, okay, here,
you grow it, send it to us, we'll cure it,
and we'll take it from from that point. So you
just drop off the raw cut, right, the rock cut
gets shipped down some kind of fresh, frozen or something
to keep it cold, however they get it to you,

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whatever the case is, and then you cure it in
your facility. Then you're gonna package it into pre rolls, extractions, whomever, whatever, right,
because you carry all the licenses to do so. And
then you're gonna destroy it for them or for you,

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So the their choice. So by creating the full service
vertical that that the option really lies with the clients.
So if if they have the opportunities to distribute product themselves,
then obviously that will stop at a processing level. Some
farms will only have us dry here, trimmed the material,
perhaps put it into a bag or a jar, but
not distribute it, in which case we're happy to do that.
What we're trying to do is offer what what in

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other industries is kind of a common market co packer.
Totally get it, Yeah, totally, and I love it. I
love it. It's well yeah, I mean some some people
need because they don't want to buy everything that you're
saying not they have to go buy it right to
start doing oils or start making well. A lot of
the operators, okay, there's two types, right. There's the guy
that can do the whole ship himself, right, so he's

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vertically integrated. He can produce it, he can make it,
he can distribute to himself. So that guy, you know,
and he has the facility and then know how to
do right. But then there's the guy that has all
those license but really can't do it just because he's
already taking on this monster. He's already trying to get
this monster off the ground, but just doesn't know how
to distruct maybe you know, maybe he's packaging it, but

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he's like, funk, how do I destroy this thing? You know?
And and so on and so forth. There's always those breakdowns.
But but as you look into you know, what I'm
what I'm foreseeing for this is that there's a lot
of operators that need this service right now, and I
have one, you know, I mean, you know, for example,
there's a social equity applicant that we have. They they
and they're just starting up their licensing right there. But

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they've got the the growth licensed, extraction license and the
um distribution license, but they don't have the growth set
up yet. But they have the building. It's in Long Beach.
You know, they have all the licenses and their social
equity and they're just you know, trying to make it. Now.
Is that someone you'd help too, or is that like
they're not for far along, for far enough along yet?

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So honestly, the vision is in development. So our our
goal is to to fully launch this capability for harvest
season this year with with our primary avenue for clientele
being the outdoor and the greenhouse operators. But but but
in we're indifferent to the material coming in because we
have the capacity to run larger scale operations at fairly

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efficient processes like are For example, our solvent less hashwasher
takes the process that usually we take four hours and
reduces it down to forty five minutes. Yeah, and where's
your facility? Lake County, California. So we Lake County, that's
in between Napa and Sonoma. So so drive to Santa
Rosa and then drive through a forest and you'll come
out of the backside of a hill and what you're

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here in County. I I come down. I travel a
lot to make sure that we stayed there. I am
out there now. Well, thank you for coming down to
the show. Absolutely, absolutely tonight tonight right. I am nice.
We got a bed in the back door. We got you.
If you need to play perfect, I just need a
cot and like a little sheet and be covered. We
got you covered. Don't worry about that, and help yourself

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to any snacks, food and drinks and whatever. But how
did you find this company or did they find you?
It was it was a mutual effort, you know, you know,
like I had just finished my work at Low and
I was looking for an opportunity to kind of put
my flag into the ground and and really represent more
than just a single brand, but but a part of
the industry. And I felt, just like you mentioned, that
this is something that's really needed and something that's really

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being overlooked, and it's an opportunity to really put my
name on something that I'm passionate about. So when when
I was faced with the opportunity, it was a big move.
You know, Like I'm from Sherman Oaks, so like going
up to Lake County where the entire county has sixty
seven thousand people. Wow, Sherman Oaks has on my block.
I think I had thirty s So it was really

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a culture clash. But I I no regrets and I'm
not looking back, and I really love the community that
I get to be a part of the way that
we look at it is NAPA didn't start NAPA. We
have an opportunity to make Lake County like a nap
of of of Canadas like. We have an opportunity to
bring high paying jobs to a a a lower income county,

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and we're talking about developing very large pots of land
for for cultivation. Many of you know, they're they're welcome,
they're welcoming. The the growth can't. So we work with
the county. So a lot of these are what's called
census designated areas, so we don't always work with cities.
What we do is work primarily with the Bard of
Supervisors because it's a small county. There's growing pains. You know,

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You've you've you've got two hundred forty three applications and you've
got a board of supervisors with a very finite budget.
I mean, they do the best that they can that
That's honestly why we we were just patient, and we're
waiting to get this operation fully up and running. We're
focused on on micro farming our our own genetics and
and specializing at what we're good at. And and like
I said, we're very confident that we'll be up and
running by the by the time the first harvest comes

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over October. And you were mentioning outside something about getting
frozen cannabis and doing three fifty pounds at a time.
Is that what I heard? Fresh frozen? So we we
have a solvent list reactor that is capable of running
three d fifty pounds of fresh frozen per per wash
and it can that that converts to roughly a hundred
and thirty pounds of dry material if you wanted to
run trim so, so I mean, we we're talking about

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the capability of running a ton of day through that
material through that machine. And and what our goal is
is food grade solvent lists for like for making edibles,
for making topicals. We we think that that really is
where providence exists, you know, like like removing food grade
topicals edibles yep, and just creating the by product for them.

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So we don't really want to go into the formulation
of those different things, but we want to bring the
cost of the by the constituent materials to to something
comparatable to a distoalate so that you would have a choice.
You know, like creating that market segmentation is important to
us because we're providence people. Like what you read there
is like we know our product and we care about
the chemical composition. We we care about everything like down

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to the down to the molecular level. So so we're
we're we're really trying to be that that Google Alphabet
of cannabis where you're always constantly developing. And one of
the things that really drew me to the company is
the fact that I'm really always told to focus on
side projects and keep ambition going forward. You know, when

(21:59):
you're in startup mode, very often you get put into
a single lane and you get told to operate in
that lane, just do this, just to stay here, stay here,
don't don't go for shiny objects, stop, just go and
do this. I get the opportunity to participate with the
Cannabis Alliance for Tax Reform for the for the state
of California. You know, like that's not even related to
anything manufacturing, and it's this great opportunity to be able

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to talk about tax law. It's a great opportunity to
do public public speaking demonstrations in front of front of government,
and it's a great opportunity to just understand how you
create change. You know, the cultivation chat tax is now
making a roughly of outdoor revenue if you can sell it.
So so I I think it's really important that we

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all we all band together. So one of the initiatives
that we're leading over in Lake County is we're going
to all the counties that have cannabis operators, and we're
going to those boards of supervisors and those city councils
and we're trying to have them pass them basically a
request to the governor Newsome to suspend the motivation tax
until the tax reform comes in. And and you know,

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having a crystal ball and and word on the streets,
where do you see it going? Taxes? I mean realistic?
Where where do they go from here? Right? Because there's
so and and I know, but I mean, you know,
you know, if you don't have a solution or an
answer for you know what I mean, like, what's the solution?
So my first opinion is that a fixed taxes probably
unfair until we figure out what the realistic bottom of

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our industry is. Like all commodities have a market price.
Cannabis does not yet, you know, like it moves around
a lot because we have to dual markets that are
transacting in it, and those markets have the difference in
those markets are the tax rate and they're massive, massive, massive,
massive competitors, and and the tax right and and overhead
exactly right, I mean, because you're not you know, you're
you're you're operational out of your vehicle and I'm operational

(23:50):
out of a building. Difference. You know, I'm paying fourteen
twenty dollars a month to be here, okay, and I'm
selling yeah, and this guy and he's selling the same amount.
You know, we pay more in insurance than like most
trap operations pay in total expenses. And and that, yeah,
I mean, I mean that That's what we're trying to

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suggest is rational policy, cohesive policy across the industry. We're
not trying to be unfair. I think the first thing
is that the tax should be based on sales. You know,
having a cultivation tax based on production that is predictive
is unfair. You know, like obviously all the operators want
to add another acre to see if they can increase sales.
But if the market bottoms out and they still have
as many acres, like the cultivation tax accounts for of

(24:33):
now their revenue. And again that's the type of thing
where we're saying we'll make it just based like a
variable rate based on a final sale what gets moved,
that's what gets sold, or a fixed rate that gets
adjusted based on the market price of cannabis. You know,
like you you can't have this like hundred eighty nine
dollar cultivation tax for a four hundred all our pal

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and like what we're gonna do is clear the field
and like put a cow on it. You know, it
doesn't make sense to but cannabis it until we figure
out how to get the tax right down. So so
I think it's a balancing act, you know, it's it's
understanding like where you can affect change and affecting it
and then getting back to work and just grinding your
ass off. It's so hard to to figure it out,
but God willing something like that would happen. And how

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long have you been with this company? Now? Still a
new company, is it? Um? It's a fairly new company.
So it's it's it's about a year and two month
old company and I've been with them for about four
months now. And like, like I said, I work with
a very intelligent, very passionate team that comes from multiple
walks of life. Like we we have talent that's traveled
the world, Like we we have our breeder from from
DNA from Holland, and we we have our CEO does

(25:38):
HVAC systems for all the major indoor growers across the state.
So so I mean, we we have the knowledge base
to to really understand what we're getting into and what
we're tackling. And and again it's really about polishing, polishing
what we we believe to be a very true industry.
So your primary customers though, are the growers? Yeah, the
primary customers are the girls or Door Greenhouse either operations, right, correct,

(26:02):
We are our own customer as well. I mean, we
will also be operating our own farms and making our
own products and brands as well. And and do you
plan on operating outside of the state as well or
just California folks? Again, those are questions a little bit
higher than that I'm making right now, but I'm sure
there's always ambitions for m s O. That's that's clearly
the dream. It's the ms O push towards I p O. I.
I can't speak for our higher ups. I do really

(26:24):
believe we do like the grassroots nature of our business
and are happy with where we're at in life. Like
we we we have plenty of too, plenty of equity
or plenty plenty of capital to accomplish what our goals are,
and we have a very big dream. So until we
achieve that, there's no real reason to start looking outward. Well,
I can't wait to see that dream. If you're a
big grower, go ahead and check them out online. Alchemy

(26:45):
which is a l C H B m Y Gas
twenty nine dot com. It's at am Moody. It's Cannabis
Talk one oh When we come back at him, we
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Cannabis Talk one oh one. We're sitting here with Adam Moody,
the director of manufacturing at Alchemy twenty nine and Adam,
you know, I got a little birdie in my ear,
but Amy that goes Adam used to work at all.
Did you remember all the drama? He doesn't. He's able

(27:50):
to talk about it, and I'm like, no, no, wait.
First off, Low Cafe, Los Angeles, Big Company, Low Big Company,
Bill Odin. I mean, the headline of this art of
this show is going to be something like low Stormer.
And there's there's so many stories we've heard, and I

(28:11):
feel like it goes back to the other podcast that
we just did with the Other Atom of all the
stories that we've heard of madmen and this and that,
all the grease we've heard of Low Cafe and Low Business.
That all being said, brother, how did you start with
Low and how did you find them? And take us
through the whole drama that you went through there. Amazing.
So the first thing I want to say is most
of the people a lot were tremendously talented people that

(28:32):
I have nothing but respect for the first day I
was brought into four, Yeah, well we'll get there. Let's
let's most have story time and like you can make
your own judgments about the people that there's two sides
to every story, and in this case, I think there's three.
So so I remember pulling up to the corporate office
on uh Kuanga before before they had moved, and I

(28:54):
just remember the first thing when I walked in, I
was like, this must be the most successful weed company
in the entire world, like everything before you worked there,
before I worked there, Like what I was going in
to meet the CEO. It was the second one for
a few minutes of the press was big. It was
crazy crazy, like like they had Sharon Stone and Woody
Harrelson on the wall, like everything was custom Italian marble.
They were serving seven dollar bottles of kombucha and like

(29:15):
like edged glass. Like it was first time I walk in,
I'm like this this place is crazy, you know, like
just like the packaging everything had a place, and everything's
place was perfect point. So I walk in and I
remember it was the weirdest job interview that I've ever
had to date, because they already had a product. You know,
this wasn't a job interview to like take over a roll.

(29:37):
This was a job interview to do one specific thing.
And so so they throw the box down and they
tell me this really impassioned story and they're like, we've
tried to do a vape before, and I'm like, how
did it go? And so so the vape that they
tried to do before with Suicide Girl's vape, and like
that's actually a really funny story that all the apes
on the shelf after they made them, they turned dark
black and they had to be recalled, like like you
had a distal of cartridge that was roughly that color black. Yeah,

(30:01):
black literally, and so so like they realized that they
can't go through those steps again without having a formulation guy.
So the first formulation guy that got was like an
edible guy, and he had he walked into his interview
and told him that he could he could make rosin
and he could make solvent lists oils, And I remember
I got I got a call from this gentleman and
he's like three months away from getting fired, Like I

(30:22):
really I need a little assistance on this one where
you consold on it. And I remember, originally I was
actually gonna just pitch to White label this thing. I
was like, I got a good relationship with this other company,
Like if I bring him lull, like I become partner.
So I like, originally I I was a little bit
more ambitious with the deal, but that then they they
had other ideas in their mind. Like the first thing
out of Eli's mouth with the CEO at the time

(30:44):
is he's like, no, you gotta come work here. You
gotta be part of the family. Like this guy was
amazingly good at making you feel like you guys were
best friends even though you didn't know each other, you know,
Like I I heard some stories on your podcasts about
how like people didn't drive around in aeroplanes and Lamborghini's,
this particular gentleman did so like yeah, so so there
was a black Lamborguni that had Low on the back

(31:06):
of it, and like that was pretty much like our
version of the batmobile, you know. And and again like
this this all went to that image that like, oh
my God, everything about this place is polished Lambeau. Al right, right,
I need to pull a couple of lambos that put
them in the back and stuff like that, get people
really just jumping. Why not, I mean, just to get
them all like that sad one that says blue. Yeah,

(31:28):
super clicked out that I would know where he was
and obviously like like how many lambos in l A
are they that say low? So anytime somebody would see
his car, they called me up and I would just
like a creeper, right, be like, so what are you
doing here, buddy? Right? So you guys are friends? Yeah,
we again, the relationships started really really great, you know,
like like all good things like when when when it's good,

(31:49):
it's great. You know, like they had just gotten some
new funding in like the jar and the PREI roll pack.
We're famous, you know, like everybody was talking about him
like that. The creative guys that worked at loew are
still some of the best of the industry has ever seen.
You know, the clamshells that they designed, the stories behind
those packages are amazing. You know what I would have
came in and did afterwards is I just expanded the brand.
You know, I came in and after I so I

(32:12):
had a funny story the first first iteration of the
vape and I brought in. I was really just trying
to get the flavor right. I wasn't worried about the clarity,
and so it was a cloudy rosin vape. But it
was smokable, it was amosified. And I remember I handed
it to the founder of the local concept of a
gentleman named saw Him Black. He's also the founder of
Suicide Girls, which is how those those relationships intersected. And
I remember handing him the vape and I remember he

(32:33):
took a taste of it. He looked at me through
it straight in the trash. Yeah. Like, this is what
I learned, the binary nature of successfully developing a product. Yeah,
I respect, you know, you get that like little tear.
He's like, you think you did a good job, and
you're like and then you're like then then you get yeah.
Then then you get an on remode and you're like, oh,

(32:55):
next time, I'm gonna put you down, you know. Like
so it really built me up. Like I I remember
when I first started it low I I honestly thought
I was in the best place on earth, doing the
best job. You know, it wasn't until like little things
started like falling through the cracks that did we realize,
like like it wasn't as polished on the inside as
it was on the outside. So so like i'll give

(33:15):
you a great story. The first three months that we
were we were making uh doing the R and D
s over at low Like we were working under a
formulation license, so we had to order the rows in
and then we could formulate the rasin that we brought
in an infusion license. And I remember what like I
finally got the R and D done for this product,
and I went back to the office and I was like, Okay,
let's start making it and and they said to me, well,

(33:37):
can you make it under an end license? And I
was like, not effectively buying raws in to put into
a V pen, You're not going to get the margin.
You need to make the raws in yourself. So so
we started applying for a type six license immediately. But
I remember that that same founder of the company was like,
we're not waiting three months to make a V eight pen.
And I was like, so what do you suggest and
he's like, well, we have this. We have this friend

(33:58):
over here like a partner relation and ship and they
have a Type six facility that we can operate out
if we can lease. And I said, cool. The three
things that I need to make rosin as I need
to access to ice, I need access to water, and
don't need a drain. So he takes me over to
the building and what are the three things This building
does not have water? Keep going yep. So so for

(34:18):
the first three months we would truck in IBC cages
full of ro o, water, ice, our hash washers, everything,
so we would set up the operation. We would run
all the water and hash that we had. I'm not
even lying. This is the first iterationalpen was made out
of IVYC cages. Said yeah, and and like like I said,

(34:39):
a ton, you know, Like all we had to do
was wait two months. And I remember that this is
what I finally got the CFO, Like I like, I
I get an email that says, I we need to
talk a little bit. We need to figure out like
why so much money? Like yeah, like what is this margin?
Like who did this analysis that I walked into his
office that I explained to it. I was like, no,
I said, this was a bad idea, and and and

(34:59):
he's so, how are we doing it? And I was like, well,
we we made this weird false logic that getting this
to market sooner would be better, you know, like it
was during the big push when Lowell was in four
hundred stores. You know, we we were we were doing
a lot of revenue. Just keep keep. It's okay to
take something. Some revenues better than none, correct. And and
the way we developed as is, the box was so

(35:21):
big it took up a bunch of shelf space. So
the idea was if we could get it on the shelf,
we like we we would stand out so well based
on the brand recognition that that it would carry itself.
So we started creating these inventory levels based on these
like fictitious ambitions that were based on like false metrics,
and and that that's when it started becoming this like
we we It felt like we were chasing our tail

(35:41):
a little bit, you know, like we we we we
we had this. We had this creative meeting where I
got called into an office and I was like, I
want to make nine different flavors so that we can
keep this thing rotating and we can keep it relevant,
we can keep dispensing, reordering it and I remember the
same founder. He used to me. He's like, there's only
one good flavor, We're just gonna make that one. I'm like,

(36:01):
you want to make an this is famous, there's one
of the one of them. The guys that works here
was like, why do you only make pink limonade? And
I was like, I'm not entirely sure, Like I think
we just had to run out of our friends pink
lemonade before we could start making something else. And don't
get me wrong, one of the best strains it won
an Emerald Cup, Like it was a hashmaker's dream, great strain,
but like you don't found a vapen on one strain,

(36:23):
So like just imagine like how hard it was to
recreate the other strains after we had already done an
initial push with stores. So like we send out all
this pink lemonade to all of our flagship stores, so
they're all putting it on theirselves, and like we start
getting back to these calls from our sales reps and
they're like they need an Indoka and of sativa. We're like, yeah,
that that makes perfect sense. Like if you're gonna market

(36:44):
a hybrid, you gotta you gotta market the other two.
So it could it be lemonade and pink lemonade, Like
pink lemonade should have been the you know Sativa or
what happened or whatever. So so that that that's when
like my my role shift significantly, Like like my my
my best friend was the chemist that ended up coming
to Lowell too, and he was the one who ended
up doing most of the gruntwork in the lab. But

(37:05):
what would happen is is we had to go into
procurement because we had to source and create product for
stores that would get into the store within fifteen to
twenty one days. You know, we had a three month
runway to get precliminated in the store. We had a
twenty one day runway to replace it. Yeah, so so
I I mean, like like like I said, it was

(37:26):
there's no need to throw anything under the bus. What
like the ambition that really pushed us in this direction
was this, Just like you said, it was to get
there first and to take as much space and the
dispensary as possible. You gotta you have the opportunity to
take it right. Well know what we're talking about the loss, right,
I mean, it's like when when you make a decision. Right,
You're like, Okay, what am I gonna do? I'm gonna

(37:47):
go take a loss. Why, Well, because I have the
opportunity to get into stores right now and they're they're
waiting for the product. Wait two months, the hype behind
Lowell might not be here. So we have to lose
money by shipping the ship in here, getting it in
and then you know, bringing the processes, even though it's
on the cost of more money than we're gonna make,

(38:08):
we get the we get the ball rolling, and then
on the second run we're back to making profitable. Exactly
in the in theory at the second run was vastly successful.
I mean, I'm never gonna dog the vapen. It was
a great line. The reality was the launch we had
we had some significant growing pain because we didn't really
apply that market research that was necessary for the launch

(38:28):
um And fortunately the launch went so well they let
me design six other products for them, so it wasn't
all bad. Yeah, we we did full amount hash for them.
We we did uh but Bubble, we did Keith, we
did infuse pre roles, we did uh a rosin Dart,
we did a disposable vape, and we did mints. So
you you have successfully took all those different product lines

(38:52):
and then put them into over four stores with yep, fantastic.
Now where to go bad? Then? I mean, where's this
bad part of the whole? Well, as you know, Low
is pretty famous for pretty specific lawsuit that we we
we had to engage in, and and only because it's public,
and only because we came out of it in a
positive light, do I do? I feel so confident in
speaking about it. But again, there was a turpulent year

(39:17):
at loew where we went from having a pop up
in New wo in Vegas, where we were at the
top of the world. Jose Andrews was cooking food for us,
and then literally the next day we find out that
the largest lawsuit in California history has been served on
on Low for for for for operating a cannabis activity
on under expired license on Sunset bullboard. Where was that

(39:41):
at that that was something I believe it was somewhere
up in central California really, so it wasn't even the
one in l A. I thought it was the whole No,
so that that's why this news was so bad. But
were they all affected at that point? I mean, obviously
not not by I'm saying. Were they all shot down
at that point that they stopped the entire licensing or no.
So what they actually found out is after the investigation,

(40:02):
they found out that we did not actually know that
the license had expired on the facility we were storing
material and we were still treating the material is fully illegal.
So what what really put us in a positive light
and allowed us to move forward was the fact that
all the product that entered into the space was compliantly tested,
although it wasn't compliantly packaged because of the laps and
license at the facility where it was put in two

(40:24):
pre roles. Oh so that's where it went wrong with Yeah,
just like remember the old days when you you had
a farm that had a manufacturing you could set the
b it was the attorney general. Actually, yeah, it's a
little different. Yeah, it's a little different. Yeah, they passed
it up. The result of it though, like I like
I said, it was ultimately settled and then we we
had to go through forends like Audit's for the rest

(40:45):
of our pretty much existence. We like it was funny.
The only thing that made it a little bit lieved
was the fact that COVID had just hit. So we're
going through forensic audits through video chat, so it was
a little less forensic than you would expect if they Yeah,
that helps a lot. Yeah, I mean what's gonna be hidden? Yes,
your photoshop? Yeah, but no, I mean it was still

(41:08):
not even there. What's a buying that wall? Nothing? Right here? Look,
I'm show here you go, here, you go up, showing
you right here. My kids, here's the perfect thing. My
kids are, you know now they're seventeen and eighteen, about
seventeen and nineteen and during high school. One of them
still in high school and the other one to just graduating.

(41:29):
But you know, they literally got a video where it
just shows my son, so it looks like he's working
the whole time. He does like a one hour deal
where he just on a loop and it's just a loop.
So the teachers see him doing a whole loop. He's looking,
he's looking at the screen, and for one hour, this

(41:49):
kid does the whole thing. And then I'm like, sitting
on I'm walking in the room. I'm like, what do you?
I said, how are you on the screen in class?
In class and you're on your bed your phone? How
is this possible. It looks like you're on the screen
on the phone. I'm walking in the room like, hey,
what's up, dude. He's like, Hey, he's laying on his
bed and and and and the screens moving and his

(42:09):
face is on there and his whole class is talking.
I'm listening to his teacher talking. I'm going, how the
hell are you on the screen. And he's like, Oh,
it's a new app, dude, it just we just you
know this app out. Yeah, but you know what, Yeah,
I really would have needed that app to help me
pull some some metric tags because that was the this
this audit was so interesting to me because the way

(42:29):
that it works is they already have numbers. They show
up with a big list and and they basically just
start going through that list and you have to provide
the entire chain of custody for that list to show
that you did the compliant transaction. So, I mean, the
one lapse that we had was filing systems because like,
like we had digitized most of this stuff so we
could look it up and knew it existed, but like
actually finding the tags was really like and the guy

(42:51):
just sits there like just like you said, like the app.
He's just sitting there staring at you. And you come
back and you're like, I need to check this fill.
He's like, we'll take as much time as you need.
I'm not going anywhere. Really, yeah do you Yeah, I'm
on the s exactly. I'll get paid over time. Just
go ahead and I'll wait big from So, so how
does that end up? I mean, I mean, obviously you
guys passed it right downtown. They so ultimately Low was acquired.

(43:15):
So now we we passed the audit and we were
successfully acquired, and and Low Low Low was acquired by
Indus Holdings and that's what became Farms Indus Holdings Indus. Yeah,
they're they're up in Salinas and so and so and so.
Is that something that's behind him that's involved with them
as well or was it just another company They just said, hey,
come on, we'll take you as and call the day. So,

(43:36):
so again this is a little speculative, but I I know,
I'm pretty confident about this information. So originally I believe
that they were white labeling and co packing Island, and
and they they had this ambition to have their own
brand so that they could vertically integrate the production. Low
at the time was kind of a weak player in
the space because our ability to sell farm was fairly limited.

(43:58):
So so what what happened is is was a great
opportunity for an M and A. And eventually it was
determined that just a buyout acquisition was in a better
interest and then change the name, change the name. Yeah,
that would you buyout and change the name? I mean
that makes no sense. I mean it almost feels like
they did. Why would you just start your your new,
your new process, like the new the new brand, and
keep with a name that's already has a bran if

(44:20):
you're a buy low right and want low, Yeah, you
don't change the name. Good name. I thought it had
a good name. No, Low Farms is still an okay name.
They just went from Low Herb Company to Low Farms.
They're no longer Indus, you know, like the Low Herb. Yeah,
so we were called Low Herb Company. That was the
if you look at the packaging, it says little LHC.

(44:40):
If you look at Indus became Lower Farms and the
idea was correct, Yeah, the idea farm. Yeah. I'm sorry,
I know, Yeah, I thought they dumped the name. You're
talking to alphabet Google right now. Correct. Yeah, they just
made it more like opportunistic for what they actually do.
You know, herb is not an appropriate word for what

(45:03):
they're trying totally de scribe. However, farm farm is and
I appreciate the change, you know, like lower farms is great.
Is the same leadership there with the same guys leading
that you text and say, hey, we've just seen the
batmobile over here and all this other stuff. Oh no,
every everybody, everybody had changed chance myself included like like
into spot I P and and they had a very
talented team that was capable of making similar products and

(45:23):
and and similar platforms and move out the way, let's go,
move out the way, let's go. And how are they
performing today in your opinion? Uh, you're welcome to look
at their stock price. I I don't talk negatively about
people that I have worked with in the past, that
they do the things that they do. I would have
done some things differently, but I'm confident that they'll move
forward and hopefully be better than they are now. I

(45:43):
love your approach, and that's a great and not only
that it's very respectful, but it's an honest But I
feel the same way to like about certain things unless
somebody that's how I rock period, exactly, Like that's how
we expect that's what we expect to like, you know,
I mean, like what you say, you expect casts to
be like that. Like, look, man, we've made money there,
we did a thing or something went wrong in the the South.
It didn't make my words together. Walk, what's up? I'm

(46:05):
still friends with the O G S. I mean, like
the war stories were worth maintaining the friendships, you know,
Like I don't believe in burning bridges. You know, you
learn from these things, you don't. You don't throw people
under the bus. You don't. You don't stop working with
lem You just acknowledge that maybe you need to be
a little bit more cautious in the future, or maybe
stay away, like if in your own self interest. But
but again, like I evolved in this space because of

(46:27):
that opportunity in a way that I will always owe
those people for, you know, like I I learned financial
acuity from the CFO. You know, the CEO is still
one of the people that I respect mentors, and all
of those guys are mentors. To do with the tattoos
and lake forest that you went to jail for you know,
may he rest in peace, you know, now he passed

(46:48):
on this unfortunately. Yeah, no, I out of honor to him,
I tell his story. He was the first forty five
cap in Orange County. You know, like, like not everyone
has a colored past. It's it's about rehabilitation, and he
was just trying to make a life for his family's
well oh yeah, I mean, I mean that being said,
we didn't say anything about his past, but that guy
had a rough start, right he did. You know, like

(47:08):
like a lot of the people that work in this
industry worked in this industry as a result of committing
a crime, getting in trouble. You know, it was an
opportunity to make money even if you've gotten in trouble.
So so so again, I always try to look at
people with the most positive light, and I have nothing
but respect for him. But yeah, I I think it
was one of those things where no matter how he

(47:28):
had kind of aligned himself, it was ultimately going to
fail because unfortunately, just like you guys said, there's not
a lot of room in this industry for for darkness.
You know, we we we need to lead with the light.
And I that that's what I learned from him. You know,
I learned college. Sure, I learned. Stoner is an interesting term,
not necessarily negative. But I'm a businessman first. You know,

(47:51):
I'm very passionate. I'm an entrepreneur, you know, like I
don't consider myself a loady. Like my mom always goes
through the list of terms that she used to have, yeah,
you know, like all all those like eighties nineties terms
for like like funny duddies that that were smoking the earth,
and I I look at her and I'm like, Mom,
you're nothing but proud of me. She's like, yeah, but
I still like living, living, talking, talking, drive, you know.

(48:13):
So it's it's really she does that's awesome. So listen
to I mean, I mean, I love your story. Anything
that we're missing here before we let you get on
out of here, I mean that we didn't cover that
you want to cover, I don't think so. I think
we got everything. I mean, I've always had great opportunities
to work at places, just seeing the interesting things that
happened behind the scenes. Always interesting. One of the things

(48:35):
that Lowe did really amazing and I will never forget
is stay threw a bitch and party, Like when we
used to have bud tender parties that like, those are
some great parties. That's always the best part, right, Like
we do great parties too in my book, Like we
host and we present great events where we care. We
want to make sure you have a good time and
all the good things that happened. And I agree with you,
those are some memorable moments. We like to do that

(48:57):
for people as well, especially you guys. Yeah, no, I've
been to a uplr as his events and like just wow,
you know, you guys know how to entertain. You guys
know to make people everyone feel like they're a v
I P. They're great. You wore a v I P
M before we do let you go. We do want
to do that at v I P High five with
Adam Moody, the director of manufacturing at Alchemy twenty nine. Now,
how old you the first time you smoked cannabis? And
where did you get it from? Adam? Sixteen? My mom's

(49:20):
My mom had a catering gig at five am, and
I wanted the neighbor kids to drive me home, So
she knocked on their door while they were hot boxing
and asked him if if they would take me to school.
She she didn't identify that they were smoking, so they
just nerdy. At the first day, I was in chess
club at the time, academic to cathlon, so so they
said they get me a hot box El Camino. I

(49:40):
fell asleep in first period of English. Miss Reynolds will
remember this story. Yeah, no, literally thought you were dead.
So let me ask you this, being in chess club.
Did you love the Queen's Gamut? Did I love the
Queen's Big Gamut? I love everything on Netflix. It puts
me to sleep. It's it's like a Lula put the
Queen's Gamut, and Chess is just one of those shows

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that I never would think that in my wildest dreams,
I would say, oh my god, this movie. What's it about.
It's about a girl who plays chess, and I loved it.
I really makes you go, oh my god, this is amazing,
such a good story. It wasn't that final chess battle
like it was really compelling. I really did enjoy it.
There was one micause it was a little short, you know,
like you got through it really quick for a Netflix show,

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you know, like like I kind of like something that
I can binge watch for a few days, not like
a day but otherwise, have you hit up Emily in parishut?
I have not yet. I'm gonna have to check it out.
Check that out. Go ahead and check that out. Question
number two Blue, Question number two of the high five.
What is your favorite way to use or smoke cannabis.
I'm a dabber solving list like I I my my.

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I will try other people's product out of respect, but
generally speaking, out of the last eighteen years I've been
in cannabis, of what I've ingested, I've made, you've made
or grown yep. I I like, like I said, I
believe in providence. I believe in knowing what I put
it into my body. So I've I've had a role
or contributed or otherwise made everything that I've smoked over

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the last eighteen years. I love that you don't want
you know exactly what you're putting in your body. I mean,
let's keep it one ut. Like, well you come out
side though, didn't you? Yeah, like I said, But again
I got that from We got that from Adam, you know,
like like he said, try it like whatever you have
we know we know. But again I I do like
the idea of it, you know, for for many years

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though I could very much understand you because I was
involved in it, you know what I mean. Like you're
like you literally walk out the house and be like,
I'm smoking this one. Like you might have five different
brands that you're rocking with. You like, this is my
my stride, you know today, and you start taking that
and you're living off of that one without harvest, and
you kind of just know what your baby is and

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you start rocking with it. You know what. You've got
to talk to you about this, But she'll tell you
when I got. When I go to the cannabis cupt
to go meet vendors and talk shop, I usually pull
out of my pocket and give them something to smoke.
Very rare, very rarely do I sample at the table,
but I will often pull something out that they say
it doesn't exist, And I have you tried a solvent
list turpin sauce and they're like, that doesn't exist. Here

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you go, I made it myself, like you said, I
made it this morning. I don't know if you know,
but I'm the manufacturing director over here. Oh yeah, what,
I didn't charge of prototyping, so I make things that
we never sell. So I trust me there's there's a
punch of things that still haven't been made. Question number
three in the High Pi with Adam Moody, Craziest place

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you ever used cannabis or smoke. The Great Wall of
a country that I don't want to name, but the
great Wall of it was Ada. It had seeds in it.
I remember, like again, I was a really stubborn at
a piece stubborn kid. So so no it was. It
was an apple and it was during a music festival.
Paul Oakenfell was performing at a electronic music festival on

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the Great Wall of China called the Yen on the
Great Wall. And I remember it was my birthday gift
because I saw I was in China for ten weeks
that overlapped my birthday, and the other English people in
the group bought me this ticket to this event. And
I remember I literally bought dirt weed from an African
in China and I brought it with me to the
Great Well of China and on a rainy morning, was

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sitting in a tower, chiefed it up. Dude. Let me
ask you this fun, Let me ask you this. Um.
You know China, Dude, ten weeks in China, I mean,
you know I was surprised you came back. Bro, I
can't wait to go back, like you almost didn't leave. Huh.
It was hard, you know, like Americans are like celebrities

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are right, celebrities, they take your picture, they hand you
like kids. So what I was doing to sustained my
lifestyle China is I was I was teaching English to
so wealthy families to get rid of the accents because
English is compulsory in China, but they don't they learn
it from Chinese speakers. So the wealthy people in China
that plan on having their their kids like do international business,
they'll have US Americans actually take them for a day

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and just teach them for vernacular English. So they'd like
pay for me to go to the park theme parks
like Laser tax just talk to him all. And I
made I made us wages in China. I remember I
had an internship for a company that represented Johnny Walker
and Audie and halfway through the internship, I was like,
I'm making four times it's as much money, and I
worked a quarter of the time. Like I love you guys.
I'll do some events, I'll do some translating, but I'm

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out you people. You know, I had a little like
a six or seven year old kid that like barely
even talked, but he would like pointed animals and he
handa and you'd be like, handa, you know, just panda,
and uh, that's great if you if you made me too, Yeah, absolutely.

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Question number four of the high five. What is your
go to munchies after you get high? Anything fried? Hot
and fried? It's always fried, you know. Like I'll find
myself like, literally do the eggs salad sandwich when I
gave myself really high. Yeah, just just what do you?
Just regular? Right? Just just just mayonnaise, egg and then

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and some salt. A lot of people don't do the manais,
so I do mayonnaise on it all the like I'm
a man. I do with manonnaise. I know a lot
of I've read it. A lot of people don't. I'm
just saying I know a lot, but I don't know.
I don't know how they do it either. A lot
of people don't put mamonnaise. I would you put it in
in there on egg salad sands. I hate to hand
with too many people, healthy people in Orange County. You
know what I'm saying. No, No, Yeah, it's a hispanic

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thing for me being what I'm saying, I'm like, why
I had mayonnaise too? I think, like, you know, I
don't know macaroni salad for me, macaroni salad is just
mayonnaise in the thing, and started adding all action. I mean,
just go start with some mail. Question number five, Question
number five with the high five you can smoke cannabis
with anyone did or alive? Who would it be and why?

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I don't know, probably Winston Churchill. I want to hear
the stories, you know, like I remember, like growing up,
my favorite people that talked to you were like the
guys that like like like really fought these like big
massive battles. Like I wouldn't want to smoke with a
stoner because like I've smoked with some impressive stoners. But
I really want is I really want to get a
guy high that never in a million years would smoke
and here fascinating things that came out of his about

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you know so true? Right, What is you gonna say?
What kind of story? Yeah, like like you remember the
first time you got high, Imagine doing that to the
Prime Minister during World War too, you know, like he'd
be like the cactus told me not to tell you
about the peace treaty, you know, like it'd be something cool,
it would be, it would be that's a good one.
That's a interesting one. I think we have somebody else
say that before though. Is there anything we missed so

(56:25):
I know, blues at you that anything at him that
you want to get out there before we let you go. Now,
last thing, I'm pretty famous in Lake County. Apparently there's
a small horse farm and you're not supposed to feed
the bird seed. And I learned that the really hard way.
So so if you ever come to Lake County, I'll
show you the farm that I'm no longer allowed to
harass the small horses on look up at a Moody
out there. Appreciate you. Hey man, it's Cannabis Talk one

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