Kalix, a plant nutrients company out of Oregon.

Orion Tang is a Grower who turned business entrepreneur. Shane Wright the National Sales Manager at Kalix. Check out the website KALIXCPN.com on IG kalixcpn where Cost per quality gram is everything.

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so yes, on the show to Day from good Old Oregon,
the guys came down. I love it and they're geared
up looking fresh. O Ran right, Orion Tang and Shane Right.
I don't know if you guys are the lady Blue,
but his last name is right right, so you know

(01:24):
Christopher Wright Shane right. Brother. Yeah, you guys look like
as well a little brother when Blue had any too. Yeah,
you guys kind of do. He's the national sales manager. Well.
Mr Tang is a grower who turned business entrepreneur, focusing
on building brands in the cannabis and ancillary cannabis space.
He is currently the presidents of Calix, which is a

(01:47):
plant nutrients company out of Oregon. You could check out
their website Callix, which is k a l i x
cpn dot com on Instagram the same thing k A
l i x cpn. And thank you guys for coming
on the show. Welcome you guys to good old California.
Looks like you guys brought the terrible weather from Oregan
with you. Guys, it's actually beautiful weather. To be honest

(02:12):
with you, it's nice to have it, is we we
definitely need it. Except it's funny when you see like,
you know, their heels all shut down, and you know
there's past shut down and over just California is not
built for it, like Oregan Oregan. Well, our friend, you
guys can handle the rings. Our friends call us and go. Dude,
you know, it's like the rain is pretty heavy. I
don't even think I should drive over there. And I'm laughing.

(02:33):
I'm just laughing because I'm like, there's fourteen people in
my office right now, dude, Like everybody drove here today. Bro.
If people flew in, like what are you? What are
you talking about, They're like, not a big they live
in Honey's and beach down the street. They're like, it's
near the wet outside. I'm like, yeah, you guys are
doing too much. So how did you come up with
this company? Brother? How did you? How did you come
up with thish? My partner and I have known each

(02:58):
other since elementary school. That's awesome. That's that's how the
relationship originally formed UM we started Google growers together. So
twenty five years ago we started growing now in elementary
school up pretty much and we grew up in a
really small community. You know, a small community, everybody knows

(03:21):
everyone if you're if you're a d bag, then everyone
in town knows about it by that evening and then
they were run out of town or no one messes
with you. UM friends for twenty five plus years, UM
started growing together. Everybody need grew and then everybody grew

(03:43):
probably the very shortly after we became growers. Yes, the
whole the whole community had some idea about it and
so which was unfortunate because that the stigma of that
went along with that. Yeah, so we just kind of
became the underground. Yes, you couldn't move around in the community.

(04:03):
We're not like out there, you know, sticking our heads
out and making a big scene. Which maybe that was
partly what drove us into the mountains and the hills
and we're so we lost an adventure lifestyle, so you know,
big and in mountain biking and cycling, snowboarding, skiing activity. Yeah,

(04:28):
and that and cannabis was the tool for us. I
mean we were It allowed us to live. I mean,
we just lived our dreams. We grew cannabis, We snowboard
and skied, We lived in resorts, you know, lived in
resort towns, and we were were the growers and snowboard
ski bumps for years and years tucked directly into the

(04:49):
micro UM and so that was that was how we
came together and UM started working together UM and then
eventually it was difficult for us to get the products
that we needed for for our growth nutrients UM nutrients

(05:13):
like I know, good a good stories. We we started
when we started growing, we went we were straight to hydro,
which maybe it was because we didn't really know that much,
so we were okay going straight to hydro. Now, I
would never recommend someone going straight to hydro, for that's
what I did. To be honest, it can be pretty unforgiving.
It totally is I'm literally in the backyard of my

(05:35):
dad and he's got plants and growing up, you know,
so I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go to hydro. Dude
went straight to hydro. And it's not a you know,
it's a it's a it's a process, not an event, right, yeah,
very much. So we built our own DwC deep water
culture systems. Um, they're what we needed for our system.

(05:56):
You couldn't buy. And I remember one time going going
into my my local shop excuse me, and we needed
two inch bulkheads to attach to our five gallon buckets
which were used in our our deep water culture system.
And they were like, they didn't have any idea what

(06:16):
we were even talking about. So we had to find
a pond pond style pond supply company, I think it
was an Arizona and then go to our growth store
have them contact the pond supply store in Arizona to
import these two inch bulkheads that we needed in order
to build out our systems. And then after you know

(06:39):
a little bit of that, we realized what are we
doing here? This is you know, we're just fighting the
tide with these guys. We're telling this growth shop to
to bring in this stuff. Let's just start our own
growth shops. Like what do we do? We know what
are we doing? So now you're getting it all wholesale.
Now we want into details, so right right right, this
is this is a kid I'm getting better prize saying,

(07:01):
but the products we need still aren't there. So and
retail sucks. The combination of that and you know, retail
being very difficult, we moved into manufacturing and creating the
products that we needed to get the job done. And

(07:21):
that was that was the beginning of That was really
the beginning of it all. We started with a It's
funny because the way you say that, dude, like, I like,
it just sounds so like like it's almost like what
we evolved from growers, Right, So you start growing, you
start getting big enough to where you're like, yo, we

(07:42):
should just buy our own. You know, we're going to
open up a hundred lights. Let's just buy a wholesale.
Let's let's open up a retail store. Let's buy a wholesale.
Let's buy two hundred lights. Let's put a hunter in
the store. We'll put a hunter in our in our
grow and then you know, and we'll get the nutrients
and all this is. That was like the same exact
model that my brother all of us were going through.

(08:03):
But here, you know, and here it's the same thing.
It's like, you know, when Northern California it was it
was pretty like everybody was growing. It was like you
go out and everybody's like, yeah, I went to my
buddy's houses over there, and they're just like, you know,
he's gotta grow, He's gotta grow, She's gotta grow. The
Mayor's gotta everybody was growing here. It was like, don't
say ship, You're going to prison, you know. So you know,

(08:26):
is that how it was an Oregon in California from
just a little town right pretty close to Mount Shasta.
That's probably close as I want to get. The town
so small that, I mean, it's just just a micro dit.
I'm originally from the Bay Area. I grew up in
San Jose and then worked in Francisco for a years,

(08:49):
So this is the extreme extreme north. But yeah, so
that was the that was what sparked at all. And
we were growers first, and as we evolved into manufacturing products,
we never stopped being growers throughout that process. So we
get It's lots of data we talk about. You know,

(09:13):
when you get a turn with any it doesn't matter
what cultivar you're running. There's a lot of information that
comes from that, a lot. And the more turns you got,
the more information you get. And we were surrounding ourselves
with with growers. You know, everyone, all my friends grew
we all grew and we would all we would all

(09:34):
trying to finish the pair of notes. Oh yeah, and
what's this fire? Good? All days? The good all days? Right,
the TRIM parties were they were they were parties, were
going there to work, but you know we're growing out,
meeting sushi, you know, taking out the warehouse and there's
kind of everybody's drinking. Yeah that was the fun. Yeah,

(09:57):
and in the talk and the discussion that were happening
in those DRIM sessions were I mean the brotherhood and
but yeah, not yours, but he's not in that circle. Yeah, yeah,

(10:26):
between because everyone there had to how to grow too,
so they're getting that same data every every turn. Oh
my leaves are yelling out because of what's going on
all maybe it's you know, and so that just yeah,
before we even started manufacturing products, we were hundreds hundreds

(10:46):
of you know, turns deep. So it was it just
came really natural to us to flip when you harvest,
right Like, no, I hadn't, but I think our listeners
would be better for them to say he was saying, Yeah,
what he was saying, I knew exactly what's talking about.

(11:08):
But I and I thought I'll address it later, but
he didn't. He did it, so thank you. I'm glad
you did. Yeah, and you know, I'll tell you what
you know, Um, I want to hear some of those
difficulties are right, you know for the guy that's looking
out there that's like, hey, I want to get involved
in this industry. You know. Obviously you know a lot
about that where it comes from, and and and some
of the dudes and don't. So can you give some

(11:30):
of that information to our listeners right after this break?
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(12:16):
them a great question about his experience and it is
so true because hearing you flip these before you started
this great company. Calix? Right? Is that? Am I pronouncing that? Right? Kaalix, Kalyx?
Thank you? I just I didn't know it's Kalyx Kalix.
You're a grower and you're just getting to all these
grows stories, which I love hearing that, and I love

(12:37):
hearing these turnarounds. And as Blue as a grower forever
as well as a second generation, his father taught him
how to grow. You and your buddies out there growing
up in northern California and origin. Yeah, it's so true. Though,
as you've done so much and you get into a
store front, what are some of those experience that you

(12:58):
can share with the listener out there that goes, I
want to start with one plant? Are my legal six
plants that I have in most of these states you
could have six? So what are some good advice? What
are from your store? First off? Right? These are stuff
if you want to be successful exactly, so you don't
have you don't have stores anymore. You have the actual

(13:18):
we still have our retail store, but we at one
point we had four think and then we didn't we
hone that down to one. See as we started manufacturing,
we started closing and the manufacturing your own product leans
and now yeah, correct, so let's go into the to
the save the griller, the nightmare, and then let's go
into some of those product lanes. Well, we initially started

(13:41):
with a more of a hobby line. So we created
a company called MPK Industries and we raw or law Solubles.
That was our our first our first product line really
that was for the the cannabis industry, um, and we
were Solubles. I mean, we knew almost ten years ago

(14:04):
that Solubles was the future, that that you can't just
pedal water to these guys, you can do that for
so long, we were quite a quite a bit ahead
of our time. Unfortunately, it would be nice to kind
of ride the way the way it was going before.
But but either way, we moved into Solubles, and as

(14:29):
the industry kept, you know, changing and it is changing, um,
we saw the consolidation, We saw it going to the
adult use or the wreck market, and we knew we
need to create a brand that serviced that market and
not just the the hobby market. So that's that's when

(14:51):
Calex was born. Was in two thousands seventeen. M We
started that that company and cultivators still throughout that whole time.
So yes, stay put your hand on the on the planet.
You gotta keep you and and and using our own

(15:14):
our own products. And so that's what Kalyx now we are.
We're a cultivation company and we're a nutrient manufacturing company
and our main focus is cost per quality ground if
the that's where it all boils down. It doesn't matter
in the commercial space, in the in the in the

(15:36):
rex space. That's that's number one. That's that doesn't yea
if any commercial cultivator, if if they're getting great yields,
that's not enough. If you're getting great yields and great quality,
that's still not enough. You gotta have great yields, great quality,

(15:58):
and you have to keep your your cost if inputs down.
Otherwise it doesn't matter how square foot. It's exactly that
not that you guys are focusing and that's what we do.
So all main that's that's our whole ethos is anxiety
gram is everything it is. Yeah, I mean if I
love that on the website too. Exactly if if you're

(16:20):
in commercial, if you're a commercial cultivator, you know exactly
what a talking about and there's the pricing right now,
you know, you know, you know probably as well as
ideas came through the floor at at all time below,
you know, and I almost feel like that all time
below is some of these operators, you know, flexing their

(16:42):
power to see who can stick around and take losses.
I had a conversation with the with the group you know,
many moons ago and came to my office and Asian group,
I know, I won't say their names, but the good,
good guys known for a lot of a lot of
years in the industry, and they're just like, dude, you know,
this is eight years ago. They're like, dude, we're gonna

(17:05):
break the market so low. We're gonna just charge. Let
we're gonna take a loss for the first five years.
We're gonna do a five year loss on people, and
then see what everybody does, you know, you know, And
it was just like that's your coal. He's like, we
have to do that, and I'm just like, yeah, what
is like, Yeah, we're gonna take a loss for three

(17:25):
to five years and just give it away good product,
good name company, brands, bo bo and build it up.
And then you know, this last year and this was
I don't know several years back. I mean, this is
like I said, seven maybe maybe seven or eight years ago,
and I almost want to feel like that's what's in
play right now. Like there's almost like, you know, people
are just giving it away, you know, to keep their

(17:47):
name on the on the charts, because the numbers. You know,
unless you are in an outdoor and grow that and
you own the property, you own the the you know,
if you if you have the full chain of custody,
there's a there's a whole different conversation. But but if
you're if you're purchasing retail or you know, you know,
you're you know, you don't have the right you know,

(18:09):
the right real estate. There's so many different, you know,
reasons why you know, you might not be in business lecture.
And it's unfortunately a lot, a lot a lot of
people are folded up. Yeah, and and you know, quite frankly,
that's you know, I don't want to you know, put
the air out there. But there's also the fact that

(18:30):
a lot of these operators took in money that didn't
know how to operate, that weren't capable of growing cannabis,
and then their balloon payments is up now and now
they don't have they have payments that they've taken from people,
and now they you got this, you know, huge growth
with unrealistic expectations three pounds of light, you know, expectations

(18:53):
that you know, with four thousand, two hundred dollars a pound,
expectations that's not there no more? Do you know what
I mean? I mean, when we were young. I don't
know how old you are, but you know we're probably
close to the same age. You know, you look like
you may be as old as Joe, a little older
than me. I just he goes, looks you're dropping stuff
and everything happened, happened, but you know, you know I

(19:20):
missed it, right, And I look a little lot, a
lot more younger than kidding. Actually no, I'm forty four, dude.
So what we wear about the same age, right, No,
I have to be a yeah, yeah, right, bill shit,
But we were both all the same age. So so
through that that I think I want to say is

(19:41):
that you know, we've seen a lot from this industry
being a part of it. I mean, it's been in
my family's whole life, probably yours as well, right, and
so so I just for me, I think there's a
lot of people out there that that you know, we
came into the market there was pound, then it was
thirty eight hundred, and it was just and now it's
like something unreally six thousand dollars a pound, and people

(20:01):
are just going, holy shit, they're dancing. They don't understand
it that you know, it's gonna stay this way for
a little while, and I think I don't think it
will last very much longer, to be honest with you,
because even that hit took so many people out that
that quick hit, it was like a perfect timing. I
feel like it was just a nest you know, need
to happen. It's just I think it's just a clean suite,

(20:23):
you know. I was just just clean the house. Yeah,
it's clean house. Do you get rid of all the noise?
Is a lot of noise back, Yeah, you know that.
Yeah that however, I just have just come to grips
with that. Yeah, later in life, you know, we all
wanted to. Yeah, but I mean, what's the lowest you've

(20:44):
seen it? Though? I mean at this point, because I
mean I've seen some prices that are just ridiculously low.
What's the lowest that you've seen so far, I've seen fire, yeah,
six hundred bucks or fire. I've been seeing depths fire yeah.
I mean I want to pull three on a buck
on my own park. It's just crisping the head. When

(21:10):
you speak of the prices like that and you think
of what people would it cost to even make it,
It's almost like, how are these people going to survive
out there? Well, in the in the legal market, they'll
wonder why the black you know, the legacies called or
whatever else market you want to call it. But that's
why everybody else is still calling you know, blue for
their own pounds. I mean, al what that call? Speaking

(21:41):
of that? That's to us. That's why we are such
a benefit to our you know, our customers and our parts,
is that we're in the trenches with them, were in
there with them right now. We're in there with them
every day doing the same thing that they're doing. So
we know exactly how that feels to be in that
hot seat. You know, even you know the CEO that's

(22:04):
got a huge operations that most of those don't know
much about cannabis, and to have a partner and that
you're working with that does and knows the exact pain
that you go through every day. I mean that's everything.

(22:25):
That's everything, the plant and the group. Yeah, thank as
much of the how to grow because we've already you've
already done. Yeah, you're basically training. You're doing it forever.
You grow your own. Like you said, you gave that
story of how you started with you and your buddy
and your partner and doing this. And now, I mean
how many products you guys have I see you on

(22:46):
here or grow a calcium a bloom? What else is
there that people are getting off you guys? We have
basically every element that a plant needs. I mean a
plant can only take in seventeen elements. That's that's all
it can. Yeah, and it's not I think especially historically
cannabis nutrients have have a stigma of magic. There's so

(23:13):
much magic. This is a magic fling that they can
grow your cannabis. You could do so much more with
you to do this. Yeah, yeah, my friends, it's all bullshit,
you know. And I would say, you know, for me
is you know I used to grow in for many years,
right but on alongside of my dad and my brother.
You know, my my my brother is still growing in

(23:34):
Arizona has got a you know three operations out there,
licensed facilities in Arizona. You know, sells a lot of
cannabis companies like Peerleaf Select and you know, all those guys.
But but you know, and he works right next to them.
But but for me, I didn't like being in the garden,
you know, like I liked it. I didn't like living

(23:55):
in the garden. You know that that wake up and
well we gotta be at the off this, you know,
at you know whatever eight p m. Because the lights
turned onto eight because our seven because the sun goes down,
and then come in the next morning that you know,
eight or whatever clock be right before it's closing to
do this and that, and you know, and then spend

(24:17):
those hours. And I didn't like spending those hours. I
was spending hours and on the street recording studios and
you know, and and and moving. You know. I like
that was my thrill, you know, And but it worked
really well. I was out there, you know, get rid
of it all. They were just like yeah, but I think,
you know, it's it's important to know that there's all

(24:40):
levels of growers out there. There's all levels of of
you know, people in this industry that are coming into
the space do you guys find that you know you're
getting direct cells from your website or or through the
hydro stores the distribution. What does the bulk of your
guys clients come from. Right after the break, it's Cannabis

(25:01):
Talk one on one. We'll be right back right back
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(25:22):
website Diamondustries dot com on Instagram Dime dot Industries were
with the guys from call Ex right, guys here right
this time, Calex, sorry about that, Kyle want to say,
I don't know why I think of Cali with a k.
Calyx is what it is. You guys are out of Oregon.
Believe you just hit him with a good question right
before we went to break, and we got the pause,

(25:43):
and you're gonna answer it, young man, so please go
ahead and continue. So we we go, we go direct.
So I got a team of Seals associates. He does
a really good job about reaching out to people. We
go to advances all the advance being greens and after parties,
networking thing again and just drumming up business. And then
people through word amouth on this, you know, organically through

(26:06):
people kind of in their industry at inment out. But
you know a lot of the word amount and you
guys are still doing it and how they come and
make it their stuff direct. We we found that the
lower the cost to the you know, the and user
is going to be using it, we gotta direct. Yeah,
and and quite frankly, you know I would say this dude,

(26:28):
you know, we were talking about this to the day.
Is a lot of people in the smaller towns, you know,
they they don't know where to go, even even with
the big gross they're just in a big grow and
they're just don't know they could reach out direct or
that they can work with you. It's reliance on everybody either.
It's important. They're still going to the hydro store, you

(26:51):
know what I mean, they're like, oh, you gotta do
if I get a five gallons or twenty yard thirty
gallons or whatever, They're like huh, you know what I mean,
like there and and they don't have And that's not
their fault that the industry is just you know, at
a at a learning we're all at a learning curve.
You know, even we're flying a plane in the middle
of the air and we're putting on new you know,
new accessories that work and don't work. And I think

(27:14):
that's you know, there's a lot that that it has
been laid, but it has been laid for each individual,
not everybody, you know, as a whole. You know, it's different,
like you know, you you might be like, no, I
know all this, but this guy doesn't, you know, and
and this scal doesn't. And so that that's the the
understanding of how do we get it all? And it's
like when you talk about ray estate. You know, you

(27:35):
can go get a book and read about real estate.
You want to talk about the flipping houses. There's all
kinds of educational sources to do. So you want to
do any of those things. The maps there, you know,
you want to open up at McDonald's. We could certainly
show you how to do it. But but yet for
our industry, it's still there's so many natural things, common
things that you can't you know, it's just gotta be

(27:56):
taught this and that something that just oh I don't know,
this is gonna happened. You could try to prevent these things,
but it's so hard too. And I'm wondering, Shane, where
you are grower as well? Yeah, I moved out worrying
about fifteen sixteen years ago. I've been growing, understand so
a little bit of a change. I can't be market
sol oh man, that's where they under the jail. Oh

(28:19):
I dude, like in a concrete where like you didn't
get now your knuckle that that was Larry. It was
a little I think it's jack in the box conduct
you fried chicken right off the freeway right there, and
so you know, I remember rolling through there one time
too and just loaded right with with lots of cannabis,

(28:41):
allegedly in the in the space you're driving. When you're
driving through, right, you're literally there's weed on the side
of the road, right on the side of the road growing. Yeah,
it's ditchweed. It's ditchweed. And you know what do you
mean people actually grow There's a ditch and there's freaking

(29:02):
cannabis just growing on the side of the road, right,
So yeah, I mean you know people would do that,
You could do it. Yeah, the river base, there's just
it's just planting there. Didn't you just and you can
just see it. You're just like driving by like, but
then you get arrested if you cook it and smoke it. Yeah,
I mean it's not really that good, but yeah, you
don't want to get out. Nowadays it's different. They're legal now. Yeah. Yeah,

(29:27):
so it's a little bit different. You know that. It
was like ditch so I mean back then, I got caught.
You know, the joint, you go to jail, you go
to you go to further than that if they want
to push this. Yeah, really for a joint back in
the Okay, that sends you a prison over same with
Texas at that you know is now still too you're

(29:49):
not Yeah, they're not too much. Were Arizona used to
be a seed and yeah, my dad, so I'm taking
your car from you rolling your joint in California. Yeah,
And you know, I had a friend who went to
jail in Arizona because he had California plates and they
tried to get him for transporting marijuana across the A

(30:09):
stand for transporting with a stand, Dude, I ever hurt
their elbows. When I was a kid, I was in
Texas with my dad. Never I'll never forget this. You know,
my dad's speeding down the highway. We get pulled over,
they got cop, gets out of the car. Cops screaming
at my dad for speeding. He's going a hundred miles
an hour with kids in the car, you know what

(30:30):
I mean. I mean back then it was and now
he didn't drink. My dad smokes only smoke, never drink.
But you know, we're smoking. And he was playing smoking
the whole time. On the way up there. He smoked everywhere.
But when we got there, the cop pulled him out
of the car and then searches the car, finds one seed,

(30:53):
throws my dad in the cop car. It's like, you're
going to jail for ten fucking years. And dude, my
dad just like, oh sip. My mom was crying. My
mom's were crying, but yet aggressively attacking this cop like
you know, like I will kill you kind of thing.
I don't know what she was doing. She was yelling
at yeah, she's just like she's like you know, and

(31:15):
like yeah, like it's going down right and and so
long story short, they let my dad go, but the
cop was like, you know, because I think he was
realized he was being a little overly aggressive. We're crying
in the back up. We were that young and I
who I remember him going to jail for a seed,
and I'm thinking, Jesus, like, it's illegal to that illegal.
But it wasn't that illegal everywhere. It's just in my
mind it was like, dude, So growing up, I've always

(31:37):
been like, cannabis is dad illegal, you know. But it
was also I think good to instill that in me
because I didn't just go run around and blow my
whole cover for the whole family, you know, because I
would have google cover an experience, were a story here
for the rest of your life. Have realized that some
places are still like that, because like you, growing up
Shane in Arkansas, that's what it was like too, and
still till this day, there are certain spots around this

(32:00):
world that you can you know, damn you'll be executed
for cannabis, which is still a reality, folks. It's not like,
oh talking about this, Oh I could smoke here, or
especially when I go there, some places you can't. How
did you find this company, shame and how this relationship
come about? I was, I was. Operations were serious for

(32:21):
for quite some time, and the whole time when I
moved down here, I worked my way up through through serious.
Um I started growing outdoors. Um just we just started
growing indoors with these guys probably like five years ago
or so, four or five years ago, really getting them
indoor turns. But but outdoors is where I really really excelled.

(32:43):
Came out to Oregon at a buddy of mine who
will start the medical industry up there. Um and uh,
now a lot of those guys are are gone unfortunately. Um.
And that's back when cal Mag picks everything. So if
there was something else you planned to throw, Calag does
run a doubt also colback get it. That's what everybody

(33:03):
to this date, you don't know, just say that, yeah, yeah, yeah,
if you probably need some combat. I want to touch
base too a little bit more on what Shane was
saying about. You know, we don't go to that. We
go direct, and we do work with some select we
call them pipeliners retail stores. But we built that intentionally

(33:27):
that we you know, we intentionally didn't go through two
steps distribution like our initial our hobby brand that that
goes a distributor and then it goes down to retailers
and then um to the to the end customer. See
being growers. I wouldn't accept. I wouldn't accept that. Why

(33:48):
should I accept? Why should I expect my clients? Well,
you learn stuff. You learned that, right, you learned like
why why am I doing this? Is what your total
call is? So I don't want to give this and
do they? I mean, I'm gonna grow know that. Why
why should I have to pay this guy and that
guy in order to get your stuff? And I'm the
one in the mass, the hundred of them, not the one. Yeah,

(34:09):
and you want me to and trust me, I I
bought them through through Green Coast and I've you know,
and not only in the pitch, but like on a
massive scale, like these fifty just about fifty nights from
these guys. You know that, you know, Ballast is trased
the whole nine. And I went through these whole processes,
all the fans, and I put these huge orders together

(34:30):
and then until I you know, got to a point
where I was like, oh, dude, like we just need
a hyder story, you know, you know, and you and
but really you didn't. You just need to go direct
to all these companies. And so that's essensially what you know,
the learning lesson And you're basically trying to mainstream these
guys out and tell him, Look, you shouldn't be going
to these guys. Don't waste your time. And it's not

(34:52):
that you're you're trying to take away from the pipelineers.
You're just trying to expand the vision to allow them
to grow an our less of us, you know, that's
the and then too, to kind of finalize our concept.
You know, we are, like I said, we're cultivators too,
but our cultivation facility we haven't in order to build

(35:15):
our brands. But it's just as much as that, or
even maybe more than that. It's a it's a proof
of concept. So it's a show people we're growing. We're
growing with our products. Cool, we're going look at how
we do it. Look at the numbers we um We
continually test have um total cannabinoids really almost every harvest,

(35:40):
almost every harvest. Yes, I mean we we list our
c l as. It's all it's all open. Were not.
What are some of your brands that you guys have
us with some of the names, some of our strains strains. Oh, well,
that's a that's a moving target these days. Obviously, if
you know the market, you're probably buying, but you're bringing

(36:00):
up the the THFC levels based on the quality of
your your nutrients, your grow experience. It takes, it does take,
and I mean that is the starting point, of course,
it takes. It does take good genetics. But after that
it's all on. That's all us sure. I mean, genetics
can only take you so far. It's about we steer.

(36:25):
We call it crop steering. I think that's a pretty
general term for the type of cultivating that we do,
which is it's the most advanced way too to cultivate.
Where we're measuring. We're taking measurements of the environment plant.
We we have our own lab, so we take leaf
tissue tests on every every room, every week. So we're

(36:49):
running leaf tissue on every week on on all of
our strains. How big, it's not, it's not that big.
It's us in this place. It's again though, it's it's
it's for proof of concept. Is a big We've built
it as a showpiece. It's a very nice, well put

(37:12):
together machine machine. And then you know, trying to grow
the plants per se what we do, but with the
leap tissue, the steering, that sort of thing with our
nutrients and you know, we can really dial in the regiment.
We let the plants tell us what it training facility.
We see that with the leaps suggested in the mix.

(37:34):
You know that way everything is running in the green
and that's how you're able to pull out those consistently
behind the numbers. You know, talking you guys feel like
a medical facility image. It's it's very scientific, it's very Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. That sounds amazing. We were we
were in tours. We do training right out of that facility.
So our clients will come in the train for two

(37:56):
weeks for our times. Got you not for the public,
but for your your your clients that you have right,
got you do a training facility. Now does that something
charged for them? Or is that based off an order
putting a certain order will do training on that? It
depends on hood is yeah. We have people spending a
lot of money and we're gonna take care of everybody. Um.

(38:18):
If not, it's a bump cell. You have to say, hey,
you have to cover some of our time, but we'll
help you get to what you need to be important
to come to our facility and check out. That's what
we want. What if someone calls there in uh, let's
just say Michigan right where you can grow and you
can have this. Would they go to your website and
how would they get started on? What would you recommend
one plan at a time or what is your recommendation

(38:40):
to the new growers as you both are growers and
you guys have been doing it now with the company. Well,
it just depends on what your goal is. Like if
you're wanting I want to grow some me just to
smoke it for medicine, medicate myself at your house. Yeah,
and you're doing your own thing, and we can certainly
help you with that, and we'll help you. I mean,
my guys myself are always available to talk to everybody
through I can diagnose, you know, most things over the

(39:01):
phone or with pictures or things like that and get
them get everybody straight. That way, it takes more. I'll
tell you to send stuff into us, as long as
it's not in flower of course, many send nothings across
you know, state lines, but in vetted still, you know,
So we'll take it, we'll run it, we'll see what
the problem is and we'll fix it. So, I mean,
there's nothing really I don't I can't say, you know

(39:24):
that there's anything out there that we haven't seen them
you can't fix with within forty eight hours. What is
the biggest problem you guys have cut across And we
kind of mentioned this earlier last segment where we didn't
really get a chance to talk to about it. What
are some of the most common problems that people do
with their growth that you guys have experienced. They don't

(39:45):
listen to the plants some of them, you know, it's
they get the room and environment. They're worried about the plant,
but there the room and environment is not set up
to grow it. Uh. The nutrients the run may be great,
but they're just not running how the plant needs to succeed.
So we go in and we just help people succeed.

(40:06):
Everybody call you post post malone. I can see that.
I can see that. I just see it right now
when you right before you said it, though as you
caught it, I caught it too. That's so funny. I'll
put a couple of tattoos on you. I can see
post picture. I think following up with what he was
saying to an environment, really, I mean it's that's a yeah,
that's everything. Everything with that's that's got it. That's got

(40:26):
to be number. Elaborate on that where some of this engling,
what do you mean the environment? Like, what does that
mean exactly? We you've been growing long enough you can
walk into a room and in two seconds you can
tell whether or not the temperature and the air is good.
Just walk in. I can walk into a room right
now and just staying there for three seconds and I
can tell you whether or not it was close. Ye

(40:48):
not maybe not, But I can tell you that You're like,
this room is way too hold, its way too hot.
This is way too humid. This is way way too humid,
and it's it's really it's just there's perfect You're a
perfect environment. Is it's pretty much exactly the same for
up If it's all humid in there, you're like, dude,
there's gonna be a lot of mold coming. There's a
lot of mold coming inading. Is that okay? You're growing?

(41:15):
You can't smoke weed in the pet you weed with
no I mean, I bet some people think that though
you know, I'm saying somebody knew might think this might
help my plan. I'm gonna blow smoke on my plant.
What I'm saying like, I think somebody might think that
you grower. That's like blowing smoking your baby's mouth. Yeah,
because that's underneath the plant, is how it breathes, so

(41:38):
all of the like pores underneath the leave. That's like
it needs to be pure and well said gold that
very so. So listen, let's let's get into the high
five guys, you guys ready for that one. We'd like
to ask everybody who comes on the show five good
simple questions and we'll just go straight down the line
with you guys with it. And the first one is

(41:59):
how old you the first me smolled cannabis? And where'd
you get it? From? Seventeen late compared to most it is,
but I'm older. The older you are, I guess that's
not to a fair point. I was. My buddy has

(42:21):
two years older every buddy. I got it from my
buddy again, nice, what about you, young man? Well? Mr Wright?
Mr Wright? Another Mr Wright? Twelve thirteen, somewhere around there
outside the cool hall, my buddy's brother and me and
him went over and the first time I ever smoked
hydro and and just the brick weed you know, um

(42:46):
got stone right underneath the port at the church, so
the first time and then blew my mind the first time,
blew my my eye. Yeah yeah. Last number two? What
is your favorite way to use or smoke cannabis? All right?
Roll roll a joint? Just nice. I like having a

(43:11):
nice glass tube. No, no, or whatever, but it's good too.
Yeah every day, Yeah, a joint? What about you? Really?
Everyone's in the joints nowadays. I love it makes you
want to pull out the proto pipe. Alvis sent me
a picture of the proto pipe the other day. The proto. Yeah,

(43:33):
he literally sent me a picture of that. I felt
like I was the man when I smoked out of
the Proto. You can step your weed in a little
chain harder and keep a little bit with you stuck
to It is so small that it would get closed.
Oh yeah yeah, just that resume would get in there
your Oh God, like a little piece of black liquorice
comes out of your mouth. Craziest place you ever used
or smoked cannabis? Um. I don't know if it's crazy,

(43:57):
but snowboard days used to still blown. You could be
a fort blizzard. I could get that ship right, no problem,
no problem, was called super cop. I would just cut
a hand in a certain world. Yeah, I didn't even
know where the flame it goes right in. That's fun.
That's good. That makes you smiling happy on the big

(44:19):
bare mountain Niels. That sounds fun. I just makes you
want to go snowboarding right now? Yeah about you? Mr? Right? Oh,
I don't know, man, I guess if the sofholl fields
at school, I mean, that's pretty I was pushing it
high school. Yeah, in Arkansas, that's where. Yeah, that's at

(44:41):
school at cool. Yeah, but I didn't get it. I
was under age. I was on a team. Um, they
didn't they didn't do anything. They just had me go
talk to the chief of police. My dad got involved
with my dad, you know, so he came in. You know,
he knew I smoked. But you know, when did I
get my type of situation? I don't Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(45:02):
we had to go down and talk to the cheaper police.
But nothing never happened. Just because they did, they went
about it the wrong way. You know, as a minor,
you can't you know, ahead of a parent there once
you get busted, right, you know what. It was just
me and the vice principal at that time talking going
Wait a minute, that's wrong and illegal. Yeah. Yeah, someone
jumped in and was like, wait a minute, do you
guys like, yeah, it was a minor and you got

(45:26):
pop right away. Yeah, played him to your favor, Lucky,
it's a good time. Question Number four the high five?
What is your go to munchy after you get high?
I'm school smoker, so I don't even really got hungry anymore.
That's the truth. But but if you have I like,
I like coffee, hippie speedball. Yeah, that's hippie. It's kind

(45:51):
of part of my job, That's what I'm saying. That's
oh yeah, that was my favorite. But a donuts? Yeah,
definitely what your favorite donut? Uh? Apple frigg or old fashion?
That is so funny. I just had some apple fritter
and a piece of the old fashion. I love you.

(46:12):
Don't think I didn't get back jump already wrest Christian?
I mean Christian, I still got my Christmas Oh you're
still eating? Yeah? That shirt's real tight on you. Yeah.
I was tripping and looking at that trip board. I
had never seen a strip this tight on him. Is
that your son's Yeah, I know I've seen it because

(46:35):
the brand on it. I was like, oh, oh, he's
had those little a little loose on him before thanks Giving,
those freme a little different. Now Christmas is over. Like
the turkey's in there. It is the whole turkey. I
did the whole. I say that out of respect. I
love the guy, you know, plus so I can make
fun of the guys. What about you? What't you talk
to me about? I thought nobody see me. Now you're

(46:59):
doing that way on a national radio, international radio all
over the country. Your body, I love you. Actually might
have shirt shame. It's the shirt shame. I don't have
a sh I just thought it was a smedium that
he's rocking. It's it's actually the shot that was rocking.
But weeks so you go too much? See you right?

(47:20):
You know? Pizza chips, Yeah, Pepperoni pizza like mushroom, Pepperoni
and mushroom. All kind of chips, you know, Crispy want
I like it. I like the munchos. I like all

(47:42):
kinds of chips. They give me a munch of He's
gonna see him in the at the store now seven eleven.
You see the munch put on your finger? Do you
want to check out the website and the I G
K A L i x cpn dot com. Same thing
on the I g k A l I x cpn
she it's been a pleasure. Or runn hold on question

(48:04):
number five and walking right into it. Brother, here we go,
number five. I'm walking. I'm walking into it. If you
could smoke cannabis with anyone, Dad, who would it be?
And why before the cops come and get us? Right now?
Run run for It's hardly like Dave Chappelle fifteen years ago. Wow,

(48:27):
I don't even know what he's doing now, dude, I
just saw as Dave Chappelle. Now, oh yeah, yes, those
Dave Chappelle's gets still fifteen year I mean some of
the big big z. I mean, dude, I still die.
Oh yeah, I want to watch one of those old
school clips and be like, and the worst best whatever

(48:49):
thing about it is no filter, not ever, the no filter.
It's just so wrong nowadays to watch that type of comedy.
And how is that funny? Did you? Oh that's that's funny.
That's funny to him? Still that makes me I'm sorry, Yeah,
I'm not here with that recently, like, oh you think
that's funny, You're damn right, I do. I think that

(49:10):
stuff is funny content. It's funny absolutely because we all
know is it wrong? I mean, it's wrong, but is
he right? I think, isn't it still a reach of
what he was saying? But still funny because what people
think that way and act that way, and then all
that they still act that way and pault to Arkansas,
and so it's I like that answer is my point.

(49:34):
And you know, the old one. I get what you're saying.
It's like the unfiltered Dave Chappelle who got him the
big deals that that he was before he went hiding,
you know, and and for his own personal journey, God
bless him. I mean, you know, he said, I don't
want this stuff out anymore. Cool. That's okay too well
because and I get it, you know, because back then

(49:55):
it was I feel like we were just a different generation,
a little bit more. We're the last of a dying breed,
you know. We we have uh we drank filter We
didn't we drink capwater were the last ones. Yeah, not
bottom water, we didn't have it. It was like I
remember when they came out, was like, what are you
The best water was out of the holes. Yeah, yeah,

(50:19):
early afternoon before it was too late that's right, I hope. Yeah,
what about you? Right? I guess uh S Thompson. I
don't know if you guys know that guy who is he?
D S. Thompsons journalists? Yeah? Out of oh yeah yeah
yeah yeah. I mean that guy was just out there. Yeah,

(50:42):
he was a genius too, right, So to get high
with that guy and just sit around and talk about
pick his brain was up there. You know, how did
you get to know this guy? Because except an obscure answer,
And we've got a bunch of different movies. If you're
in Loath in Las Vegas, he's got he's done a
couple of different books. He's it's three or four. Well, yeah,
now when he said that you want the show please? Yea?

(51:06):
Have I been on any of these shows? That absolutely?
And I wanted to play along, but I don't know when.
I never though. It didn't trigger until we started talking further.
But listen, guys, before we let you guys get on
out of here. First of all, thank you guys for
being on the show. We really do appreciate it. You
guys also coming out, Should I break the news on

(51:27):
here about the magaz the magazine, Yeah, it's up to
you guys. They're gonna be on the cover of Cannabis
Talk magazine. John, That's that's huge for us. We appreciate
you guys supporting us in the industry, Um, and we
will do the same and reciprocating the way it's supposed

(51:48):
to be done. Um. Really really appreciate you guys being
here today, taking the time to come out. But is
there anything that we might have forgot that you want
to get out there to your listeners now? Anything else
that a bunch of guys coming new product for anything,
I say, if you need if you need help and nutrients,
if you need help with plants, if you need help
with anything that has to do with growing, you call

(52:10):
us and we're there. Yeah. Thanks for having us guys too.
And the opportunity. I'm sure I appreciate it. Um, really
that our our mantra. You know it's cost per quality, Graham.
We know that challenge and we navigated every day successfully
and we can do that for our customers too. Yeah.

(52:32):
So if you want to save, give you guys a call,
and you want to grow the best, give you guys
a call Les number to call. Yeah, Yeah, can you
call me direct by four one six four six, Go ahead,
give it again, give it again, four one six four
six four two and just call him up to say hi.

(52:54):
And that's the right any time after midnight, any times respectful.
And if we're listening out of the country, please just
call when you wake up, yeah the morning. Well, there
are these guys as Cannabis Talk one on one. We
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(53:14):
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