September 10, 2025 • 33 mins
What if the stories we consume shape our emotional intelligence more profoundly than we realize? Lucinda Sage-Midgorden's journey through storytelling reveals exactly that powerful connection.
From childhood family movie nights where discussions were mandatory to launching her Story Power podcast in her sixties, Lucinda shares how stories have woven through every aspect of her life. Her father, despite struggling with dyslexia, established a tradition that taught her to analyze characters, themes, and emotional journeys in film and literature – skills that would define her career and worldview.
With a refreshing "jump off the cliff and see what happens" attitude, Lucinda describes her path through religious studies, theater, teaching, and finally podcasting. Her insight that "every life is a library" transformed her podcast from merely discussing consumed media to exploring personal narratives from guests worldwide. The conversation takes fascinating turns through Marvel character analysis (Tony Stark and Steve Rogers representing opposite ends of the emotional intelligence spectrum), the visual storytelling in classic cinema, and how narrative understanding enhances our ability to read body language and emotional cues.
Particularly valuable for creative professionals, Lucinda addresses the common worry of content creation: "If you've lived on this earth even 20 years, you have stories. As a matter of fact, you have more stories than you think you do." Her upcoming YouTube project with her sister, "Classic Cinema with the Sage Sisters," demonstrates her continuing evolution as a storyteller.
Connect with Lucinda through her website sagewomanlife on WordPress, listen to Story Power on all major platforms, or follow her on LinkedIn to discover how stories can heighten your emotional intelligence and deepen your understanding of human nature.
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Carl (00:04):
Welcome to Communication Connection Community the
podcaster's podcast.
This podcast takes a deep diveinto modern day communication
strategies in the podcastingspace.
We chat with interesting peoplewho make the podcasting and
speaking spaces exciting andvibrant.
We also dive into thepodcasting community with news
(00:24):
updates, latest trends andtopics from this ever-evolving
space.
So strap in, it's going to beone amazing ride.
Let's dive into today's episode.
Lucinda and it's Lucinda SageMidgorden has been a story lover
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since she and her familywatched TV and movies together.
Her father taught her how tofind the deeper layers of a
story.
This love prompted her topursue a double major BA in
religious studies and theaterand speech.
Now completely retired, Lucindawrites her weekly blog Sage
Women Chronicles, manages her,her Patreon community and Apple
(01:06):
Subscriptions, as well asproduces the bi-weekly podcast
Story Power.
We're so thrilled to have youhere today, Lucinda.
Welcome to the podcast.
Lucinda (01:15):
Thank you, Carl, I'm happy to be here.
Carl (01:18):
It's nice to meet somebody who loves stories as much as I
do.
It's taken me a while to learnhow to tell stories, but I've
always been a lover of readingstories, watching movies just
like you become a lover of thatas well, so I'm so thrilled that
we can talk about that.
And, of course, I want to talkabout your journey through
podcasting, because it'ssomething that not everyone
(01:40):
jumps on the podcast bandwagon,and you have jumped in with both
feet and are enjoying greatsuccess with it.
So I want to ask you about howyou got hooked on stories.
What was it that led you to thestory?
Lucinda (01:52):
My parents are the ones who started it with the family
movie night.
And most parents, you know or alot of parents, I'll say read
stories to their children as agood night thing.
Well, my dad had dyslexia, hadto teach himself how to read.
Reading out loud was reallyhard for him, and my mom worked
from even when I was a youngchild, even before I went to
(02:15):
school, so she was really tiredat the end of the day.
And they instituted movie nightand I think they wanted us to
have an avenue to understandabout humans, human nature and
different situations that comeup in life and how you deal with
those.
And I think I was maybe sevenor eight years old when we
(02:39):
started doing this and it wasthe Disney movie, you know,
every Sunday they had at Disney,or it was a documentary
sometimes, but yeah, and it wasnot OK just to say, oh wow, that
was a really great movie.
No, no, no, no, no.
So who was your favoritecharacter?
What was your favorite part ofthe movie?
Why did you like it, you know?
And then we could ask questionstoo.
(03:01):
I didn't understand why thatcharacter did that, and then we
talk about, you know, possiblereasons and eventually it was.
What did the story mean to you?
Now, mom and Dad didn't knowany of those theater terms,
theme, they didn't know any ofthose.
But it just became a familything and we did it every week
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and that's how I started to fallin love with stories.
Then, in my senior year, I hadstarted reading outside of
school.
You know novels that my mom putin my hand.
But when I was a senior in highschool, it's British Lit in
English, and I fell in love withDickens.
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I fell in love with Jane Eyreand I fell in love with Dickens.
I fell in love with Jane Eyreand I fell in love with
Shakespeare, all those Britishstories.
And so I expanded what I hadbeen reading and I've just
became an avid reader as well.
So movies, television, Iremember we would watch Star
Trek together, the original StarTrek, and talk about those.
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So that was really fun.
And you know, I worked in childdevelopment centers and daycare
centers and Montessori schoolsand my favorite thing was to
read the stories to the kids andtalk about them, you know.
So then eventually, all of myeducational choices, almost all
of my work choices, had to dowith stories, and theater became
(04:27):
a really big part of my life.
It was actually came along at atime when I was a religious
studies major in the 70s.
I was the only woman in theprogram at my small college and
there were people who thoughtthat I needed to be changing my
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major.
But I was really there for thestories.
That's why I was, you know, andso I was having a kind of a
difficult time and someonesuggested that I try out for
some plays, and I did, and Ithink that's when I started to
realize that what I was learningfrom the stories I could use
out in the real world, and so Ireally started connecting with
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characters.
And what did that characterlearn?
And can I learn it too?
Or what did they not learn?
And, oh, what can I learn fromthat?
Eventually, when I taughtthrough Portland Parks and Rec
and Vancouver Parks and Recdrama classes to little kids.
But when we moved to Arizona, Ineeded a job and so I started
(05:37):
substitute teaching andeventually the drama teacher
found out that I had a master'sin theater and she said I'm
leaving, you need to take my job.
So I applied for it and got itwith an emergency certification,
and that's when I was workingon my master's of education, and
right when I got that, somebodyelse wanted my job, somebody
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who wanted his daughter to havethe job.
He had been with the schooldistrict for a long time.
So then I went to Douglas,Arizona, which is a border town,
and started teaching English,and again it was all about
stories, and it was reallyinteresting because I didn't
know much about the Mexicanculture and most of the students
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were from Mexico and Spanishwas their first language, and so
we read all of our stories outloud and I think that that
helped them.
If they needed English skills,I think that helped them, but it
was really fun to analyze thestories with them.
And then something happened whenI was 53 or something and I
(06:42):
realized I think I need to bewriting and so it's a
progression.
You know how that works yourlife is a progression.
And so I quit and startedteaching part-time at the
college the community collegethat's here in our county and
started writing, and that's whenI started my blog and my novel
(07:05):
my first novel and 2013 is whenI started my blog.
I published my first book in2017.
We did it independently.
My husband happens to be a techguy and an artist, a graphic
artist, so he helps me.
And then, right before thepandemic, I had been listening
(07:27):
to a podcast that was all aboutbooks what should I read next?
With Ann Bogle, and I loved it,but they never talked about
movies or television.
You know, for me you got tohave the whole spectrum, and so
I've been thinking about doing apodcast of my own that covered
all of the creative arts,because my husband's a visual
artist too.
And when the pandemic hit and Ilearned how to use Zoom, I
(07:51):
already knew how to useGarageBand.
That's when I started.
It was July of 2020.
I started my podcast Now.
I was in my 60s.
What was I thinking?
But I'm kind of one of those oh, let's just jump off the cliff
and see what happens.
And Barry helped me, you know,get it all connected to various
(08:15):
sites that are, maybe, I shouldsay, services that distribute
podcasts, that distributepodcasts, and he helped me with
the workflow and how often I wasgoing to publish it.
And so when I first started, itwas mostly my students and, you
know, work colleagues at thecollege or people that I had
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gone to college with, and it wasall about what stories they had
been consuming and what theylearned from them.
But about a year and it wasright before Podmatch found me I
talked to two of the threewomen that started the Douglas
Oral History Project, and theyjust call people in from the
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community and record themtalking about their life stories
.
And that's when I realized, oh,I need to expand story power to
more than just what people areconsuming and what they're
learning from it.
And so, because every life is alibrary and that it's evolved
from there, podmatch has helpedme find so many really
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interesting people people whohave produced television shows
or visual artists, of course, alot of writers, musicians, and
then I even talked to a.
He's a certified financialplanner.
I asked him to be on thepodcast because creative people
(09:43):
need financial help too, and hisspecialty is helping people
develop a retirement plan, andyou know.
So I've just talked to allthese people from all over the
world.
One of my favorite guests and Ihope he's still doing okay is a
filmmaker from Iran.
(10:03):
He was one of my first guestsfrom Podmatch and we talked for
about three hours Editing.
That episode was reallyinteresting, but I do all my own
editing recording.
I'm the one who puts the introoutro together with some music,
(10:24):
and I put it all together andthen he converts it so that I
can upload it to Libsyn and tomy website.
So, yeah, I'm pretty much myonly employee.
It's not a monetized podcast,but you know, we're retired, we
don't need the income so much,and so I'm just really having
fun doing it.
(10:45):
I love it.
Carl (10:46):
That's what it's.
I'm going to jump in rightthere and not to stop you
because you're in a good flow,but if don't I'll get to the end
and I wouldn't have saidanything, so so let me jump in
there.
It's certainly an amazingjourney and I like how this all
started with a love of storiesthat was basically out of you
(11:06):
know, your parents necessity andwanting to engage discussion.
And you we're talking the 1960swhen this began for you.
And back in the 1960s, a lot ofthose Disney movies weren't the
animated ones that we see today.
They were live action ones, andsome really cool ones too that
I grew up watching on Sundayafternoons or Sunday evenings,
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whatever it was.
Lucinda (11:28):
Or evening.
It was early evening.
Carl (11:30):
Like Sunday, at like five or six or something like that.
Lucinda (11:34):
Uh-huh, something like that yeah.
Carl (11:36):
Yeah, are you a bona fide Trekkie as well?
Would you say you're a Trekkie?
Lucinda (11:42):
I mean, I don't know all of the details and stuff,
but we watched from original toEnterprise.
We're streaming now and we'rekind of frugal with our
streaming, so occasionally we'llgo to Paramount Plus and we'll
watch all of Picard and all ofwhatever.
So we still have Strange NewWorlds to watch and I've never
(12:06):
seen any of the Pixar's.
Carl (12:10):
It definitely sounds like you're a Trekkie for sure, Maybe
even more so than I am.
I'm an original series guy nextgen Voyager.
I couldn't get into Deep SpaceNine.
Anyways, that aside, some greatstories there, too, and I like
how this journey has touchedevery part of your.
Every part of your life hasbeen story related or
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storyboarded.
I guess you could say, in somecapacity, let's talk about the
journey into podcasting.
You shared how you got thereand what led you there.
What's the experience been likefor you, though, as a podcaster
?
Lucinda (12:46):
I love it and this is the first thing that I have done
that I've loved every singleaspect of it, Even when I was an
actress or a stage manager or adirector.
There were certain things aboutthat that I, you know, was like
, oh, what a slog.
In the end it was always fun,but there were certain things
(13:10):
about it that I you know it waslike I wish I didn't have to
learn lines, you know, orwhatever.
But this is fun.
I love meeting the people, Ilove connecting with them,
whether I'm a guest or a host,and I just love listening to
their stories.
As I said, every life is alibrary, and what I realized
(13:33):
when I was preparing to talk toyou was every podcast is a story
.
It has people telling theirstories.
And I used to tell my Englishstudents because I was teaching
American Lit, and they'd say,why do we have to read this
stuff by the founding fathers?
Because we learn it in history.
And I said, well, we're lookingat what they wrote, not just
(13:57):
for creating the United States,we're looking at, like we talked
about Benjamin Franklin's wholepublishing empire and the fact
that he was he pretended he wasa middle-aged housewife and
wrote that column for hisbrother's paper and his brother
(14:17):
got really upset when he foundout about it, you know.
So we were learning all kindsof fun little things about their
background, not just that.
But I said, every single thingthat's written down, even if
it's just the grocery list, hasa purpose.
There's a reason why people arewriting this stuff down and
that's it's our job to see if wecan find out what that is.
Carl (14:39):
And it usually connects to .
If not immediately, you canusually connect it or create
from that a story.
Lucinda (14:47):
Yeah, right, yeah, and even if it's fake news you know
new, the news has a purpose andit has a story behind it.
And then this is sort of off.
Well, it's because ofpodcasting.
But one day I was walkingthrough the living room and I
was thinking about the MCU,because we've watched almost all
(15:09):
the movies and the televisionshows and we have young nieces
and nephews who love it, andthat's how we got hooked on it.
And I said, oh my gosh, becauseI connected that the story, all
of the stories that I'veconsumed and analyzed over the
years, have helped me becomeemotionally intelligent.
(15:30):
And that's part of the purposefor me.
Doing the podcast is to helppeople connect with stories in a
way that they can see their ownemotional journeys, because
stories are emotional.
And I went Tony Stark and SteveRogers are on opposite ends of
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the emotional intelligencespectrum.
Tony Stark, in the beginning,is completely a mess emotionally
and Steve Rogers is the anchorbecause he's emotionally
intelligent almost the whole waythrough.
So it was like, oh, all theselittle aha moments, I've always
(16:13):
got something going on in theback of my head, you know,
percolating in the back of myhead.
Carl (16:18):
The wheels are always turning.
Lucinda (16:20):
Yeah, right, and that was one of the things that I
loved about the Catherine McCordepisode that I listened to a
couple of days ago is she'sdoing the same thing but she's
just using a different set oftools, and I love that.
There's always more than oneroad to get to some on your
(16:41):
healing journey Always more thanone way to get there.
Carl (16:44):
Absolutely, and along that journey there's as I said,
there's always a story.
One of the things that I findwith podcasters is especially
new podcasters is they they gethung up on content.
What am I going to talk about?
I don't have any stories.
It's like you've got to bekidding me If you've lived on
this earth even 20 years, andthat's it.
You have stories.
As a matter of fact, you havemore stories than you think you
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do, and when you get to be ourage right, so many stories we
don't know where to begin.
Lucinda (17:16):
Right, exactly.
Carl (17:25):
But there's so many stories and so many experiences
that draw and people want tohear that.
You said something veryinteresting and it's the
correlation that I've quiteoften said that people don't
watch movies for facts.
Yeah, okay, there are thosepeople who are a little bit
geeky and they'll geek outwatching a movie or show and
they'll be analyzing all thefactual things that are in it,
but most people are watching itfor what.
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They're watching it for thestory.
You don't turn on Star Wars asan example.
They're watching it for thestory.
You don't turn on Star Wars asan example.
You don't watch any Star Warsmovie to figure out how the
Death Star or any of the shipsor whatever were created.
You watch it because of thestoryline and the hero versus
the villain and all of thosethings.
You don't watch it to figureout hmm, I wonder what the gamma
(18:09):
rays are.
You don't do that.
It's because of the story.
Lucinda (18:13):
Yeah, because I've had so many times when I've been in
the theater, gone to see a playor watched a movie and something
about the emotional journey ofthe character has I've gone oh
whoa, I get that now gone, ohwhoa, I get that now.
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Or a little thing that I hadthought was true.
The door was cracked open and Isaid, oh, I have a new
perspective about that now.
Maybe what I thought, the storyI was telling myself in my head
, wasn't true.
So it's an emotional thing.
And I remember when I wasteaching American Lit and we
read this I'm not going to sayhis name, right, probably, but a
slave account by Aludo Equiano,who somehow had the account of
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him on the ship, and we werereading it out loud and I just
started to cry and my studentswere all like Miss, what's wrong
(19:23):
?
What's wrong, you know?
And I said I just feel terribleabout this experience that this
person had.
And they said, well, youweren't alive, you weren't
responsible for it.
I said I don't care, I feel badabout it.
I'm white, you know.
I feel like it was my race thatdid this, you know.
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And they because most of themwere Hispanic, you know, of
Mexican descent, so they went ohyeah, oh yeah, and so they
thought.
I think from that moment onthey thought about the story in
a new way, in a different way,because I had started crying
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reading that horrible storyabout him, what he had
experienced.
Carl (20:15):
That's, I think, the piece that for most of us is there,
is that empathy that connects usall together.
And again, that's why I say formost of us, because not all of
us, but most of us have certainfeeling of empathy, that we and,
to your point, even takeresponsibility or feel
(20:36):
responsible for things that,even if we didn't do them, we
feel like is oh my goodness,that was my people that did that
, or that was because of, orthat was someone in my family
used to think that way, orwhatever.
It is Phenomenal.
And the other thing too.
I just want to open up this andget your take on it and maybe
I'll frame it as a question Doyou find that the story or the
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journey that you've takenthrough not only watching
stories and being a part ofstorytelling and theater and
things like that do you findthat it's made you more
observant?
You know your eyes are openeddifferently and you're seeing
the world differently because ofthe stories that are connecting
(21:19):
us all together?
Lucinda (21:21):
Yeah, yes, I'm not a big rereader of books.
There have been two or threethat I've reread.
I read the last Harry Potterbook three times in a row.
I read the last Harry Potterbook three times in a row.
But mostly I watch televisionand movies over and over again
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because in that visual you getto read body language and facial
expressions and you get to hearthe tone of voice and then all
of the elements of theater andmovies, like the costumes and
the colors of the set and theway the set is designed and the
lighting, and all of that helpsto tell the story.
And so I pick up things when Isee movies over and over again,
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like this is a really I've usedthis example more than once, but
it's really silly.
I watched now Voyager happens tobe one of my favorites.
It's a Betty Davis movie from1942.
And I think I had shown it inmy dramatic structure class like
four times and I had seen it abunch of times before that.
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And all of a sudden again I'mwalking someplace in the house
and I went the shoes, hercostumes, and at the beginning
she's walking down the stairs.
She's got these industrialstrength shoes on and that's
what they're showing is her feet, and then later, when she's on
the ship, she's coming down onthe gangplank and she has these
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beautiful, fashionable shoes on.
That's a clue to, and all ofthe costumes are clues to her
evolving as a human being.
And so I yeah, I pay attentionto body language and, and you
know, when I'm listening tospeeches, like we're in
politicals, I'm watching peopleand listening to those speeches
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and I'm going something's notquite right there.
I don't know what it is, butthere's not something, because
their facial expressions, theirvoice and their body language
don't match up, and so there'ssomething quite not quite right.
And I think that's one of thethings my dad was trying to
teach us too was what payattention.
Pay attention to body language,and eye contact.
Carl (23:33):
Eye contact is huge.
If eye contact is diverted, youtypically know that someone's
either feeding you a line orthey're not telling the full
story of what it is.
That.
And kids are bad at it becausekids haven't figured out how to
lie right.
They haven't quite figured itout, but you watch enough.
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Be they politicians or justeven speakers in general, when
they're faced with a challengingquestion, you can tell if
they're answering it accuratelyor truthfully, based on eye
contact, body language, shiftingof the eyes, crossing of the
arms, all kinds of differentthings that are keys to that,
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and that's again it goes back to.
We see those observances, or weobserve those, rather, when
we're watching television shows,especially crime dramas.
You can tell when the criminalis lying because they crossed
their arms and they look away.
You can always tell.
Lucinda (24:34):
Yeah, there's a whole study and the television show
Lie to Me was about the guy whokind of started this scientific
and when I was teachingcommunication class we were
talking about it.
And when I was teachingcommunication class we were
talking about it.
And you know certain ways thatyou look, determine whether
you're remembering or making itup.
So yeah, that's right.
(24:55):
And you know, when I wasteaching if somebody would ask
me a question that I was stumpedabout, I'd go, wow, that's a
really great question.
I never thought of that before.
Carl (25:04):
You know, let me get an answer for you.
Lucinda (25:08):
Yeah, let's think about that, let's go find out what
that, because I'm one of thoseexploratory, you know, learners.
I just watched a movie that wasmade in like Uzbekistan or
someplace like that, about somehistorical figure that I'd never
heard about before, and she wasa warrior woman and chief of
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her.
She had to become chief of hertribe because her father and
then her husband died and shedefeated the ruler of Babylon.
It was like wow.
So I had to go, you know, doresearch about her, because I'd
never heard of her before.
Carl (25:48):
Wow, wow.
Story is very powerful andsometimes the stories that we
don't think will impact are theones that have the most impact,
and sometimes the simpleststories too.
I remember a speaker trainertelling me this story of he
calls it the mustard story andhow he got inadvertently,
(26:08):
accidentally got mustard allover somebody and the person
didn't know and it was just thetype of person that was a big,
burly kind of guy.
You wouldn't want to get in afight with them and you
certainly wouldn't want to spillmustard on him.
I'm not going to tell the wholestory here, but only to have it
diverted by somebody elseasking can you pass the mustard
(26:29):
Right?
So, without giving the wholestory, it's amazing how
sometimes those smallest littlestories that you think it's
never going to have an impacthave the most impact in our
lives and on our journeys.
Lucinda (26:43):
Yes, that's so true.
Parties yes, that's so true.
And it happens a lot for mewhen I am like I said, I always
have things going on in the backof my head and then somebody
will say something or I'll hearsomething in a movie because I'm
all about paying attention tothe lines in movies and
television, because that's howyou get the clues and then
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somebody will say something andI'll go well, I get that now.
You know all of this info fromway back when and, yeah, I get
that now.
Oh, oh, okay, cool.
Carl (27:20):
My favorite is the murder mystery dinner theaters where,
if you are not paying attentionto the lines people are saying
or the certain props that theymight be holding, if you're not
paying close attention, so ifyou're not listening and
observing, you're going to missthe figuring out whodunit,
basically because you haven'tbeen following along.
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Where, if you are not payingattention to the lines people
are saying or the certain propsthat they might be holding, if
you're not paying attention tothe lines people are saying or
the certain props that theymight be holding, if you're not
paying close attention, so ifyou're not listening and
observing, you're going to missthe figuring out whodunit,
basically because you haven'tbeen following along.
Lucinda (28:01):
Right, yeah right.
We watch a lot of murderministries.
We like British murderministries, so we're always
looking for the clues, you know.
Carl (28:11):
There's always a clue there somewhere.
Let's move things along.
I do want to ask you where doyou see the podcast going in the
next year or so?
You're enjoying the journey.
I just asked this question of agroup of individuals I was
speaking in front of.
I asked them where they sawtheir podcast going.
So I'm going to ask you thatquestion when do you see your
podcast a year from now?
Lucinda (28:30):
Well, actually my podcast Story Power will
probably continue on inbasically the same form.
But my sister, my youngestsister I'm the oldest, she's the
youngest are talking aboutstarting a YouTube channel
called Classic Cinema with theSage Sisters, because we could
talk forever about movies and welove the classic ones, and
(28:53):
isn't it interesting how you canlearn things?
Or sometimes, like I watchednot too long ago, inherit the
Wind and it was like, oh well,things haven't changed very much
from 1920, something.
Carl (29:07):
Wow.
Lucinda (29:08):
Because it's all about Scopes Trial, where the teacher
was teaching Darwin and that wasagainst the law in Tennessee, I
think it was and yeah.
So sometimes you watch movies,you go, wow, things really
haven't changed very much.
Or wow, they were way ahead.
They were way ahead of us, youknow.
So, yeah, we're going toprobably do that at the
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beginning of sometime in 2025.
But it's just going to be aYouTube channel to start with.
We may expand it into a podcast, but I have to finish my second
novel before we do that, andshe's going to retire herself in
the middle of 2025.
So then we'll have more time todo, wow, phenomenal.
Carl (29:51):
It sounds like that even in the place that you're at in
your life right now, you'restill keeping very busy.
A lot of things on the go.
Lucinda Sage MidGordon.
How can people get ahold of youif they want to find out more
about what you do or what books,podcasts?
Where can they find you?
Lucinda (30:07):
Well, mostly everything is on my Sage Woman Chronicles
website at WordPress and it'ssagewomanlife.
But I have also a website onLibsyn, which I can't remember
what, that I publish andschedule my podcast so that it
goes out to all of the outlets,which are Apple, spotify, amazon
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, and then I also put it on mywebsite and YouTube.
I have a YouTube channel forStoryPower, and then you know, I
am on social media, butprobably the one I'm the most
active on is LinkedIn and it'sjust my name, lucinda Sage
hyphen Midgordon, on LinkedIn.
But I do have a writer page onFacebook.
It's Lucinda Sage Midgordon,without the hyphen.
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My personal one has the hyphen,and then let's see what other.
I don't go to Instagram veryoften, but I do have an
instagram.
It's sage mid gordon yep,that's.
Carl (31:14):
We'll make sure that all of those links are posted in the
show notes so people canconnect with you, especially if
you want to listen to thepodcast.
It sounds like a phenomenalshow and and I love our
conversation that we've hadtoday.
Lucinda sage mid gordon, beforeI turn you loose to go, immerse
yourself into a story, eitherone that you're going to create
or one that's already beingcreated.
I'll give you the final thought.
Lucinda (31:35):
Okay, One of my favorite quotes that I use in my
intro to Storytower is a quoteby Roger C is a quote by Roger C
Schenck, who is a cognitivescientist, and it is humans are
not ideally set up to understandlogic.
They are ideally set up tounderstand stories.
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And that's my final, finalthing for today.
Carl (32:04):
That's a great place to leave it.
Lucinda Sage Midgordon, thankyou so much for being my guest
today.
Thank you.
Lucinda (32:11):
I enjoyed it a lot.
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Lucinda and it's Lucinda SageMidgorden has been a story lover
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since she and her familywatched TV and movies together.
Her father taught her how tofind the deeper layers of a
story.
This love prompted her topursue a double major BA in
religious studies and theaterand speech.
Now completely retired, Lucindawrites her weekly blog Sage
Women Chronicles, manages her,her Patreon community and Apple
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Subscriptions, as well asproduces the bi-weekly podcast
Story Power.
We're so thrilled to have youhere today, Lucinda.
Welcome to the podcast.
Lucinda (01:15):
Thank you, Carl, I'm happy to be here.
Carl (01:18):
It's nice to meet somebody who loves stories as much as I
do.
It's taken me a while to learnhow to tell stories, but I've
always been a lover of readingstories, watching movies just
like you become a lover of thatas well, so I'm so thrilled that
we can talk about that.
And, of course, I want to talkabout your journey through
podcasting, because it'ssomething that not everyone
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jumps on the podcast bandwagon,and you have jumped in with both
feet and are enjoying greatsuccess with it.
So I want to ask you about howyou got hooked on stories.
What was it that led you to thestory?
Lucinda (01:52):
My parents are the ones who started it with the family
movie night.
And most parents, you know or alot of parents, I'll say read
stories to their children as agood night thing.
Well, my dad had dyslexia, hadto teach himself how to read.
Reading out loud was reallyhard for him, and my mom worked
from even when I was a youngchild, even before I went to
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school, so she was really tiredat the end of the day.
And they instituted movie nightand I think they wanted us to
have an avenue to understandabout humans, human nature and
different situations that comeup in life and how you deal with
those.
And I think I was maybe sevenor eight years old when we
(02:39):
started doing this and it wasthe Disney movie, you know,
every Sunday they had at Disney,or it was a documentary
sometimes, but yeah, and it wasnot OK just to say, oh wow, that
was a really great movie.
No, no, no, no, no.
So who was your favoritecharacter?
What was your favorite part ofthe movie?
Why did you like it, you know?
And then we could ask questionstoo.
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I didn't understand why thatcharacter did that, and then we
talk about, you know, possiblereasons and eventually it was.
What did the story mean to you?
Now, mom and Dad didn't knowany of those theater terms,
theme, they didn't know any ofthose.
But it just became a familything and we did it every week
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and that's how I started to fallin love with stories.
Then, in my senior year, I hadstarted reading outside of
school.
You know novels that my mom putin my hand.
But when I was a senior in highschool, it's British Lit in
English, and I fell in love withDickens.
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I fell in love with Jane Eyreand I fell in love with Dickens.
I fell in love with Jane Eyreand I fell in love with
Shakespeare, all those Britishstories.
And so I expanded what I hadbeen reading and I've just
became an avid reader as well.
So movies, television, Iremember we would watch Star
Trek together, the original StarTrek, and talk about those.
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So that was really fun.
And you know, I worked in childdevelopment centers and daycare
centers and Montessori schoolsand my favorite thing was to
read the stories to the kids andtalk about them, you know.
So then eventually, all of myeducational choices, almost all
of my work choices, had to dowith stories, and theater became
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a really big part of my life.
It was actually came along at atime when I was a religious
studies major in the 70s.
I was the only woman in theprogram at my small college and
there were people who thoughtthat I needed to be changing my
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major.
But I was really there for thestories.
That's why I was, you know, andso I was having a kind of a
difficult time and someonesuggested that I try out for
some plays, and I did, and Ithink that's when I started to
realize that what I was learningfrom the stories I could use
out in the real world, and so Ireally started connecting with
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characters.
And what did that characterlearn?
And can I learn it too?
Or what did they not learn?
And, oh, what can I learn fromthat?
Eventually, when I taughtthrough Portland Parks and Rec
and Vancouver Parks and Recdrama classes to little kids.
But when we moved to Arizona, Ineeded a job and so I started
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substitute teaching andeventually the drama teacher
found out that I had a master'sin theater and she said I'm
leaving, you need to take my job.
So I applied for it and got itwith an emergency certification,
and that's when I was workingon my master's of education, and
right when I got that, somebodyelse wanted my job, somebody
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who wanted his daughter to havethe job.
He had been with the schooldistrict for a long time.
So then I went to Douglas,Arizona, which is a border town,
and started teaching English,and again it was all about
stories, and it was reallyinteresting because I didn't
know much about the Mexicanculture and most of the students
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were from Mexico and Spanishwas their first language, and so
we read all of our stories outloud and I think that that
helped them.
If they needed English skills,I think that helped them, but it
was really fun to analyze thestories with them.
And then something happened whenI was 53 or something and I
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realized I think I need to bewriting and so it's a
progression.
You know how that works yourlife is a progression.
And so I quit and startedteaching part-time at the
college the community collegethat's here in our county and
started writing, and that's whenI started my blog and my novel
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my first novel and 2013 is whenI started my blog.
I published my first book in2017.
We did it independently.
My husband happens to be a techguy and an artist, a graphic
artist, so he helps me.
And then, right before thepandemic, I had been listening
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to a podcast that was all aboutbooks what should I read next?
With Ann Bogle, and I loved it,but they never talked about
movies or television.
You know, for me you got tohave the whole spectrum, and so
I've been thinking about doing apodcast of my own that covered
all of the creative arts,because my husband's a visual
artist too.
And when the pandemic hit and Ilearned how to use Zoom, I
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already knew how to useGarageBand.
That's when I started.
It was July of 2020.
I started my podcast Now.
I was in my 60s.
What was I thinking?
But I'm kind of one of those oh, let's just jump off the cliff
and see what happens.
And Barry helped me, you know,get it all connected to various
(08:15):
sites that are, maybe, I shouldsay, services that distribute
podcasts, that distributepodcasts, and he helped me with
the workflow and how often I wasgoing to publish it.
And so when I first started, itwas mostly my students and, you
know, work colleagues at thecollege or people that I had
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gone to college with, and it wasall about what stories they had
been consuming and what theylearned from them.
But about a year and it wasright before Podmatch found me I
talked to two of the threewomen that started the Douglas
Oral History Project, and theyjust call people in from the
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community and record themtalking about their life stories
.
And that's when I realized, oh,I need to expand story power to
more than just what people areconsuming and what they're
learning from it.
And so, because every life is alibrary and that it's evolved
from there, podmatch has helpedme find so many really
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interesting people people whohave produced television shows
or visual artists, of course, alot of writers, musicians, and
then I even talked to a.
He's a certified financialplanner.
I asked him to be on thepodcast because creative people
(09:43):
need financial help too, and hisspecialty is helping people
develop a retirement plan, andyou know.
So I've just talked to allthese people from all over the
world.
One of my favorite guests and Ihope he's still doing okay is a
filmmaker from Iran.
(10:03):
He was one of my first guestsfrom Podmatch and we talked for
about three hours Editing.
That episode was reallyinteresting, but I do all my own
editing recording.
I'm the one who puts the introoutro together with some music,
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and I put it all together andthen he converts it so that I
can upload it to Libsyn and tomy website.
So, yeah, I'm pretty much myonly employee.
It's not a monetized podcast,but you know, we're retired, we
don't need the income so much,and so I'm just really having
fun doing it.
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I love it.
Carl (10:46):
That's what it's.
I'm going to jump in rightthere and not to stop you
because you're in a good flow,but if don't I'll get to the end
and I wouldn't have saidanything, so so let me jump in
there.
It's certainly an amazingjourney and I like how this all
started with a love of storiesthat was basically out of you
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know, your parents necessity andwanting to engage discussion.
And you we're talking the 1960swhen this began for you.
And back in the 1960s, a lot ofthose Disney movies weren't the
animated ones that we see today.
They were live action ones, andsome really cool ones too that
I grew up watching on Sundayafternoons or Sunday evenings,
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whatever it was.
Lucinda (11:28):
Or evening.
It was early evening.
Carl (11:30):
Like Sunday, at like five or six or something like that.
Lucinda (11:34):
Uh-huh, something like that yeah.
Carl (11:36):
Yeah, are you a bona fide Trekkie as well?
Would you say you're a Trekkie?
Lucinda (11:42):
I mean, I don't know all of the details and stuff,
but we watched from original toEnterprise.
We're streaming now and we'rekind of frugal with our
streaming, so occasionally we'llgo to Paramount Plus and we'll
watch all of Picard and all ofwhatever.
So we still have Strange NewWorlds to watch and I've never
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seen any of the Pixar's.
Carl (12:10):
It definitely sounds like you're a Trekkie for sure, Maybe
even more so than I am.
I'm an original series guy nextgen Voyager.
I couldn't get into Deep SpaceNine.
Anyways, that aside, some greatstories there, too, and I like
how this journey has touchedevery part of your.
Every part of your life hasbeen story related or
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storyboarded.
I guess you could say, in somecapacity, let's talk about the
journey into podcasting.
You shared how you got thereand what led you there.
What's the experience been likefor you, though, as a podcaster
?
Lucinda (12:46):
I love it and this is the first thing that I have done
that I've loved every singleaspect of it, Even when I was an
actress or a stage manager or adirector.
There were certain things aboutthat that I, you know, was like
, oh, what a slog.
In the end it was always fun,but there were certain things
(13:10):
about it that I you know it waslike I wish I didn't have to
learn lines, you know, orwhatever.
But this is fun.
I love meeting the people, Ilove connecting with them,
whether I'm a guest or a host,and I just love listening to
their stories.
As I said, every life is alibrary, and what I realized
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when I was preparing to talk toyou was every podcast is a story
.
It has people telling theirstories.
And I used to tell my Englishstudents because I was teaching
American Lit, and they'd say,why do we have to read this
stuff by the founding fathers?
Because we learn it in history.
And I said, well, we're lookingat what they wrote, not just
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for creating the United States,we're looking at, like we talked
about Benjamin Franklin's wholepublishing empire and the fact
that he was he pretended he wasa middle-aged housewife and
wrote that column for hisbrother's paper and his brother
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got really upset when he foundout about it, you know.
So we were learning all kindsof fun little things about their
background, not just that.
But I said, every single thingthat's written down, even if
it's just the grocery list, hasa purpose.
There's a reason why people arewriting this stuff down and
that's it's our job to see if wecan find out what that is.
Carl (14:39):
And it usually connects to .
If not immediately, you canusually connect it or create
from that a story.
Lucinda (14:47):
Yeah, right, yeah, and even if it's fake news you know
new, the news has a purpose andit has a story behind it.
And then this is sort of off.
Well, it's because ofpodcasting.
But one day I was walkingthrough the living room and I
was thinking about the MCU,because we've watched almost all
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the movies and the televisionshows and we have young nieces
and nephews who love it, andthat's how we got hooked on it.
And I said, oh my gosh, becauseI connected that the story, all
of the stories that I'veconsumed and analyzed over the
years, have helped me becomeemotionally intelligent.
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And that's part of the purposefor me.
Doing the podcast is to helppeople connect with stories in a
way that they can see their ownemotional journeys, because
stories are emotional.
And I went Tony Stark and SteveRogers are on opposite ends of
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the emotional intelligencespectrum.
Tony Stark, in the beginning,is completely a mess emotionally
and Steve Rogers is the anchorbecause he's emotionally
intelligent almost the whole waythrough.
So it was like, oh, all theselittle aha moments, I've always
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got something going on in theback of my head, you know,
percolating in the back of myhead.
Carl (16:18):
The wheels are always turning.
Lucinda (16:20):
Yeah, right, and that was one of the things that I
loved about the Catherine McCordepisode that I listened to a
couple of days ago is she'sdoing the same thing but she's
just using a different set oftools, and I love that.
There's always more than oneroad to get to some on your
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healing journey Always more thanone way to get there.
Carl (16:44):
Absolutely, and along that journey there's as I said,
there's always a story.
One of the things that I findwith podcasters is especially
new podcasters is they they gethung up on content.
What am I going to talk about?
I don't have any stories.
It's like you've got to bekidding me If you've lived on
this earth even 20 years, andthat's it.
You have stories.
As a matter of fact, you havemore stories than you think you
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do, and when you get to be ourage right, so many stories we
don't know where to begin.
Lucinda (17:16):
Right, exactly.
Carl (17:25):
But there's so many stories and so many experiences
that draw and people want tohear that.
You said something veryinteresting and it's the
correlation that I've quiteoften said that people don't
watch movies for facts.
Yeah, okay, there are thosepeople who are a little bit
geeky and they'll geek outwatching a movie or show and
they'll be analyzing all thefactual things that are in it,
but most people are watching itfor what.
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They're watching it for thestory.
You don't turn on Star Wars asan example.
They're watching it for thestory.
You don't turn on Star Wars asan example.
You don't watch any Star Warsmovie to figure out how the
Death Star or any of the shipsor whatever were created.
You watch it because of thestoryline and the hero versus
the villain and all of thosethings.
You don't watch it to figureout hmm, I wonder what the gamma
(18:09):
rays are.
You don't do that.
It's because of the story.
Lucinda (18:13):
Yeah, because I've had so many times when I've been in
the theater, gone to see a playor watched a movie and something
about the emotional journey ofthe character has I've gone oh
whoa, I get that now gone, ohwhoa, I get that now.
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Or a little thing that I hadthought was true.
The door was cracked open and Isaid, oh, I have a new
perspective about that now.
Maybe what I thought, the storyI was telling myself in my head
, wasn't true.
So it's an emotional thing.
And I remember when I wasteaching American Lit and we
read this I'm not going to sayhis name, right, probably, but a
slave account by Aludo Equiano,who somehow had the account of
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him on the ship, and we werereading it out loud and I just
started to cry and my studentswere all like Miss, what's wrong
(19:23):
?
What's wrong, you know?
And I said I just feel terribleabout this experience that this
person had.
And they said, well, youweren't alive, you weren't
responsible for it.
I said I don't care, I feel badabout it.
I'm white, you know.
I feel like it was my race thatdid this, you know.
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And they because most of themwere Hispanic, you know, of
Mexican descent, so they went ohyeah, oh yeah, and so they
thought.
I think from that moment onthey thought about the story in
a new way, in a different way,because I had started crying
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reading that horrible storyabout him, what he had
experienced.
Carl (20:15):
That's, I think, the piece that for most of us is there,
is that empathy that connects usall together.
And again, that's why I say formost of us, because not all of
us, but most of us have certainfeeling of empathy, that we and,
to your point, even takeresponsibility or feel
(20:36):
responsible for things that,even if we didn't do them, we
feel like is oh my goodness,that was my people that did that
, or that was because of, orthat was someone in my family
used to think that way, orwhatever.
It is Phenomenal.
And the other thing too.
I just want to open up this andget your take on it and maybe
I'll frame it as a question Doyou find that the story or the
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journey that you've takenthrough not only watching
stories and being a part ofstorytelling and theater and
things like that do you findthat it's made you more
observant?
You know your eyes are openeddifferently and you're seeing
the world differently because ofthe stories that are connecting
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us all together?
Lucinda (21:21):
Yeah, yes, I'm not a big rereader of books.
There have been two or threethat I've reread.
I read the last Harry Potterbook three times in a row.
I read the last Harry Potterbook three times in a row.
But mostly I watch televisionand movies over and over again
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because in that visual you getto read body language and facial
expressions and you get to hearthe tone of voice and then all
of the elements of theater andmovies, like the costumes and
the colors of the set and theway the set is designed and the
lighting, and all of that helpsto tell the story.
And so I pick up things when Isee movies over and over again,
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like this is a really I've usedthis example more than once, but
it's really silly.
I watched now Voyager happens tobe one of my favorites.
It's a Betty Davis movie from1942.
And I think I had shown it inmy dramatic structure class like
four times and I had seen it abunch of times before that.
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And all of a sudden again I'mwalking someplace in the house
and I went the shoes, hercostumes, and at the beginning
she's walking down the stairs.
She's got these industrialstrength shoes on and that's
what they're showing is her feet, and then later, when she's on
the ship, she's coming down onthe gangplank and she has these
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beautiful, fashionable shoes on.
That's a clue to, and all ofthe costumes are clues to her
evolving as a human being.
And so I yeah, I pay attentionto body language and, and you
know, when I'm listening tospeeches, like we're in
politicals, I'm watching peopleand listening to those speeches
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and I'm going something's notquite right there.
I don't know what it is, butthere's not something, because
their facial expressions, theirvoice and their body language
don't match up, and so there'ssomething quite not quite right.
And I think that's one of thethings my dad was trying to
teach us too was what payattention.
Pay attention to body language,and eye contact.
Carl (23:33):
Eye contact is huge.
If eye contact is diverted, youtypically know that someone's
either feeding you a line orthey're not telling the full
story of what it is.
That.
And kids are bad at it becausekids haven't figured out how to
lie right.
They haven't quite figured itout, but you watch enough.
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Be they politicians or justeven speakers in general, when
they're faced with a challengingquestion, you can tell if
they're answering it accuratelyor truthfully, based on eye
contact, body language, shiftingof the eyes, crossing of the
arms, all kinds of differentthings that are keys to that,
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and that's again it goes back to.
We see those observances, or weobserve those, rather, when
we're watching television shows,especially crime dramas.
You can tell when the criminalis lying because they crossed
their arms and they look away.
You can always tell.
Lucinda (24:34):
Yeah, there's a whole study and the television show
Lie to Me was about the guy whokind of started this scientific
and when I was teachingcommunication class we were
talking about it.
And when I was teachingcommunication class we were
talking about it.
And you know certain ways thatyou look, determine whether
you're remembering or making itup.
So yeah, that's right.
(24:55):
And you know, when I wasteaching if somebody would ask
me a question that I was stumpedabout, I'd go, wow, that's a
really great question.
I never thought of that before.
Carl (25:04):
You know, let me get an answer for you.
Lucinda (25:08):
Yeah, let's think about that, let's go find out what
that, because I'm one of thoseexploratory, you know, learners.
I just watched a movie that wasmade in like Uzbekistan or
someplace like that, about somehistorical figure that I'd never
heard about before, and she wasa warrior woman and chief of
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her.
She had to become chief of hertribe because her father and
then her husband died and shedefeated the ruler of Babylon.
It was like wow.
So I had to go, you know, doresearch about her, because I'd
never heard of her before.
Carl (25:48):
Wow, wow.
Story is very powerful andsometimes the stories that we
don't think will impact are theones that have the most impact,
and sometimes the simpleststories too.
I remember a speaker trainertelling me this story of he
calls it the mustard story andhow he got inadvertently,
(26:08):
accidentally got mustard allover somebody and the person
didn't know and it was just thetype of person that was a big,
burly kind of guy.
You wouldn't want to get in afight with them and you
certainly wouldn't want to spillmustard on him.
I'm not going to tell the wholestory here, but only to have it
diverted by somebody elseasking can you pass the mustard
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Right?
So, without giving the wholestory, it's amazing how
sometimes those smallest littlestories that you think it's
never going to have an impacthave the most impact in our
lives and on our journeys.
Lucinda (26:43):
Yes, that's so true.
Parties yes, that's so true.
And it happens a lot for mewhen I am like I said, I always
have things going on in the backof my head and then somebody
will say something or I'll hearsomething in a movie because I'm
all about paying attention tothe lines in movies and
television, because that's howyou get the clues and then
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somebody will say something andI'll go well, I get that now.
You know all of this info fromway back when and, yeah, I get
that now.
Oh, oh, okay, cool.
Carl (27:20):
My favorite is the murder mystery dinner theaters where,
if you are not paying attentionto the lines people are saying
or the certain props that theymight be holding, if you're not
paying close attention, so ifyou're not listening and
observing, you're going to missthe figuring out whodunit,
basically because you haven'tbeen following along.
(27:41):
Where, if you are not payingattention to the lines people
are saying or the certain propsthat they might be holding, if
you're not paying attention tothe lines people are saying or
the certain props that theymight be holding, if you're not
paying close attention, so ifyou're not listening and
observing, you're going to missthe figuring out whodunit,
basically because you haven'tbeen following along.
Lucinda (28:01):
Right, yeah right.
We watch a lot of murderministries.
We like British murderministries, so we're always
looking for the clues, you know.
Carl (28:11):
There's always a clue there somewhere.
Let's move things along.
I do want to ask you where doyou see the podcast going in the
next year or so?
You're enjoying the journey.
I just asked this question of agroup of individuals I was
speaking in front of.
I asked them where they sawtheir podcast going.
So I'm going to ask you thatquestion when do you see your
podcast a year from now?
Lucinda (28:30):
Well, actually my podcast Story Power will
probably continue on inbasically the same form.
But my sister, my youngestsister I'm the oldest, she's the
youngest are talking aboutstarting a YouTube channel
called Classic Cinema with theSage Sisters, because we could
talk forever about movies and welove the classic ones, and
(28:53):
isn't it interesting how you canlearn things?
Or sometimes, like I watchednot too long ago, inherit the
Wind and it was like, oh well,things haven't changed very much
from 1920, something.
Carl (29:07):
Wow.
Lucinda (29:08):
Because it's all about Scopes Trial, where the teacher
was teaching Darwin and that wasagainst the law in Tennessee, I
think it was and yeah.
So sometimes you watch movies,you go, wow, things really
haven't changed very much.
Or wow, they were way ahead.
They were way ahead of us, youknow.
So, yeah, we're going toprobably do that at the
(29:31):
beginning of sometime in 2025.
But it's just going to be aYouTube channel to start with.
We may expand it into a podcast, but I have to finish my second
novel before we do that, andshe's going to retire herself in
the middle of 2025.
So then we'll have more time todo, wow, phenomenal.
Carl (29:51):
It sounds like that even in the place that you're at in
your life right now, you'restill keeping very busy.
A lot of things on the go.
Lucinda Sage MidGordon.
How can people get ahold of youif they want to find out more
about what you do or what books,podcasts?
Where can they find you?
Lucinda (30:07):
Well, mostly everything is on my Sage Woman Chronicles
website at WordPress and it'ssagewomanlife.
But I have also a website onLibsyn, which I can't remember
what, that I publish andschedule my podcast so that it
goes out to all of the outlets,which are Apple, spotify, amazon
(30:38):
, and then I also put it on mywebsite and YouTube.
I have a YouTube channel forStoryPower, and then you know, I
am on social media, butprobably the one I'm the most
active on is LinkedIn and it'sjust my name, lucinda Sage
hyphen Midgordon, on LinkedIn.
But I do have a writer page onFacebook.
It's Lucinda Sage Midgordon,without the hyphen.
(31:00):
My personal one has the hyphen,and then let's see what other.
I don't go to Instagram veryoften, but I do have an
instagram.
It's sage mid gordon yep,that's.
Carl (31:14):
We'll make sure that all of those links are posted in the
show notes so people canconnect with you, especially if
you want to listen to thepodcast.
It sounds like a phenomenalshow and and I love our
conversation that we've hadtoday.
Lucinda sage mid gordon, beforeI turn you loose to go, immerse
yourself into a story, eitherone that you're going to create
or one that's already beingcreated.
I'll give you the final thought.
Lucinda (31:35):
Okay, One of my favorite quotes that I use in my
intro to Storytower is a quoteby Roger C is a quote by Roger C
Schenck, who is a cognitivescientist, and it is humans are
not ideally set up to understandlogic.
They are ideally set up tounderstand stories.
(31:58):
And that's my final, finalthing for today.
Carl (32:04):
That's a great place to leave it.
Lucinda Sage Midgordon, thankyou so much for being my guest
today.
Thank you.
Lucinda (32:11):
I enjoyed it a lot.
Carl (32:13):
And thank you for joining us today.
Special thanks to our producerand production lead, Dom Carillo
, our music guru, Nathan Simon,and the person who works the
arms all of our arms, actuallymy trusty assistant, Stephanie
Gafoor.
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