May 3, 2025 • 59 mins
In this episode of the Doc & Jacques radio variety show, hosts Dr. GiGi Reed MD and Jacques Kepner welcome back James Debottis, of JD Drums, one of our region’s most prolific artistic musicians. Hear his unique backstory and his involvement in multiple venues. He also performs three original instrumental pieces. Hosts: GiGi “Doc” Reed MD, […]
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Welcome
everyone.
You have now entered the cosmic
radio receptors of KCIW
one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon.
Thank you for tuning in to this week's
fabulous program. I'm doctor Gigi, and my cohost
is, as always, Jacques Kepner. How are you
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today, Jacques Hippo? Greetings, everyone, and welcome to
the Doc and Jacques Radio Variety Show. I
wanna mention that you're hearing this live show
on KCOW in Brookings, Oregon. That said, the
same show will be rebroadcasted
exactly one week from now each and every
Wednesday
on KZZH
ninety six point seven
FM in Eureka and Humboldt.
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It said 8AM
next Wednesday, but that's okay. And then a
few hours later at 1PM on my old
alma mater, KFUG one zero one point one
FM in Crescent City, California. So now you
know that doc and I
have your coasts
covered.
Right on. We also have today
a couple of special things to talk about.
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New things? Yes. We have a unique, a
new feature
at the Doc and Jack radio show. Woah.
It's meow. Cool.
We call it the chatting chairs.
Chatting like a oh, I'm supposed to know
these things. Of course, chatting chairs. Yeah. Yeah.
So that's the time when you, Jackie, and
I will probe into interesting health topics that
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relate to us humans,
more likely, and the world that we inhabit.
Cool. So just to be on the safe
side, grab a pencil and paper and get
ready to expand your horizons and learn some
fascinating things. Yeah. Do the pencil and paper
because there's some things that just blow my
mind. We were we've been doing research on
this all week and just having a ball
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doing it.
This is the inaugural voyage of Chatty Chairs.
We are going to discuss something that all
humans have in common.
And in fact, something that all life on
Earth has in common and that is
sleep.
Yeah.
Did you know that the Greek god of
sleep was a deity named
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Hypnos?
Hypnos, that's where the word hypnotized come from.
That's just so cool. Mhmm. Hypnos ruled supreme
over humans in a huge way.
After all, we spend about one third of
our lives sleeping.
Snoozing. Yeah. Snoozing.
Yet in today's world, very few people know
what power hypnos once held over their sleeping
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lives. Yeah.
Interesting. Well, so if hypnos was the god
of sleep, who was the god of dreams?
Bad dreams?
Nightmares? I don't know who. None other than
Morpheus. Oh, Morpheus
was the god
of dreams.
There was Morpheus who was the creator of
our unconscious
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projecting dream lives.
Oh, cool. Our alternative
self. Woah. Yeah.
So let's give Morpheus credit for for creating
such beautiful and
fantastic slumbering powers, but we can also blame
him for causing us occasional nightmares
and repetitious,
dumb, stinking
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dreams. I think we both had the same
dumb dream last night. I was being chased
by a lion and it was. And I
tried to tell you how to close a
sock for a cow. Close a sock. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah. Morpheus lives
on in modern society, especially in the medical
field
through the word
morphine. Morphine comes from morpheus.
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Deep sleep, deep sleep, euphoria. Euphoria. Yeah.
Alright. So let's look
let's look a little closer at sleep. The
definition is actually, it is a condition of
the body and mind that typically
recurs for several hours every night in which
the eyes are closed,
the postural muscles
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will act. Muscles? What the hell? Okay.
The activity of the brain altered
and consciousness
of the surroundings
practically suspended.
Hey, doc. Do you know what that sandy
stuff is that is found in the corner
of your eyes after sleeping? It's called What?
Eye sand.
Technically, it's called rheum, r h e u
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m. And rheum is made up of wonderful
things like mucus, skin cells, oils, and dust.
The rheum that comes from the eyes forms
crystals.
It also is called eye gunk, sleep dust,
and sleep sand. I think that's pretty technical
word. I like that one. Sleep sand. Well,
let's get into more stats and facts. Our
guest, James, is up there blinking really hard
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now. Having them
So Rheumy eyes. Rheumy eyes. Brain activity, we
heard that while the body rests during sleep,
the brain is very active. It's processing memories
and information.
Mhmm. Also,
newer results have shown that sleep plays a
housekeeping role
in that it removes during the time, it
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removes toxins from our brain. That's weird. These
toxins build up while we're awake and they
don't have an outlet.
All humans dream and most people experience several
dreams per night,
lasting
two to
some
Two hours a week. To a little bit
more hours on average. Well, doc, I only
dream of you.
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It's so long. Twenty four seven. Everybody who
sleeps has dreams even if they don't remember
them. Most people have four to six dreams
per night or,
as for me, I have a bunch in
the mornings.
Humans spend about a third as mentioned earlier
or 33% of their lives either sleeping or
trying
to fall asleep. Yeah. Like that one. The
average human falls asleep within ten to twenty
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minutes of laying down, and people can survive
much longer
without food
than they can without sleep. What do you
mean? Well, you can live the human being
can live up to three to up to
three to ten weeks depending on how much
whatever without any food at all. Now, they
have that water, but the food No problem.
They don't have any food for three to
ten weeks. But studies have shown that if
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you don't get any sleep at all,
at all over a extended period of time,
you're dead within eleven to twelve days. Less
than two weeks, you die. Your brain just
gives up. Let's go to not dying that
long, but sleep deprivation. Sleep deprivation is what
I meant. Yeah. You can't have that. Right.
So, well,
if you only have the sleep deprivation and
not die, then it can actually affect mood,
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memory.
It can induce weight gain.
It can weaken the immune system,
which
ergo makes us more susceptible to illness. As
a matter of fact, in medical school, we
learned that the immune system really only works
at full speed during sleep. Woah. Cool. Yeah.
Insufficient sleep can increase the risk of heart
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disease
and other cardiovascular
or heart problems.
And
we,
we also heal and repair our internal cells
while sleeping. Wow. That is cool. Have you
ever awoken
awoken or ever woke up and that you've
seen something that wasn't truly there?
Well, this is known as a, you gotta
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announce it. Hypnopompic?
Hypnopompic
hallucinations.
Yeah. Now a similar phenomenon is
hypnagogic
hallucinations,
which happens right before falling asleep. In fact,
our guest I think is in a hypnagogic
hallucination right now.
Nope. Deeply paying attention.
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Both of these conditions affect about sixty to
seventy percent of all humans. Yeah. And but
but but but by definitions, hallucinations occur only
in full waking state in the full waking
state. So our guest is not a hallucination,
I don't think.
Well, he's Yet similarities to sleep related experiences
such as hypnagogic
and hypnopopic
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hallucinations, dreams, and how about this one? Parasomnias
Yeah. Have been noted forever since antiquity. Mhmm.
Yeah. Sleepwalking and sleep terrors. Weird sleepwalking. Yeah.
There are those parasomnias. For example, they happen
when the person is not awake.
So not hallucination.
So they're indeed fast asleep. About fifteen percent
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of the population are sleepwalkers
and or people that experience
night terrors.
Did you know taller people sleep longer in
bed?
Do you
get it? Oh, yeah. I got it. Taller
people ready. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah.
Taller people sleep longer in bed. Okay. It's
going on. Okay.
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Now symptoms of night terrors,
we all know sleepwalkers. Right? Walking around Night
terrors. What it said? Yeah. Symptoms of night
terrors include
behaviors of fear.
Fear or beer?
Include fear, including crying,
screaming, agitation,
thrashing.
The autonomic nervous system goes in high gear,
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which means you have a fast heartbeat, tachycardia.
Tachypnea,
which means you breathe very fast, and you
can sweat because you're a full blown
in a panic attack. Wow. There so this
is the weird stuff. There is no or
possibly minimal only response to external stimuli. Like,
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you don't go and shake them. Hey, what's
going on? Why are you crying? They
It's real to them. It's no. They don't
know. It's as a matter of fact, when
they're waking up, they say, hey, what are
you shaking me for? Wait, what's going on?
I'm confused. So they don't know any of
that stuff. So it kind of bypasses the
consciousness
or the conscious brain. Oh, it's getting weirder
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and weirder. Yeah.
Yeah. So there are many, over a hundred
medically recognized sleep disorders. I know. I I
take a couple I take a light case
of
sleeping pills occasionally to get my sleep. Well,
anyways, this is fascinating. You know that throughout
the vast this is this is amazing. Right.
Listen to this one. Mhmm. James, you gotta
hear this. Throughout the vast amount of human
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history,
since time immortal,
humans followed a biphasic sleep cycle. What does
that mean? A biphasic sleep cycle is simply
translated people
slept in two distinct phases in a twenty
four hour day. But here's the kicker. With
the advent of extensive
artificial
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lighting over the past few hundred years Mhmm.
Biphasic
sleep cycles has faded out and has been
replaced by a what? An eight hour sleep
regime.
Right. I think that is so we used
to be biphasic. Meaning, we'd sleep four hours
here, two hours there, maybe well, that'd be
trisphasic.
Yeah. If you don't well, so there's also
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polyphasic
sleep. Oh.
Oh. For example, dolphins and hummingbirds,
they have the sleep patterns that are polyphasic.
They sleep in bursts,
basically, in short little bursts. They sleep Yeah.
Couple of minutes here and there, and so
that's how they rest. Wow. Cool. Now, you
talked about different times of of sleep. Sleep
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needs to change or does change with age.
Babies, as we know, sleep
forever sixteen, twenty
hours a day. A day. Yeah. My god.
Well, adults, us, typically need seven to nine
hours. That's where the eight hours comes from.
Now what happens during sleep is what they
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find during sleep is that there are multiple
so called
neurotransmitters,
meaning from nerve the little talking molecules from
one nerve to another.
And,
examples are serotonin,
which you also find in a lot of
antidepressants,
norepinephrine,
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which is the
rest and digest
neurotransmitter and acetylcholine. Acetylcholine
is found in a lot of different ways,
so
no need to explain. Talk to me. Dopamine.
Let's get Dopamine. We all agree with you.
Dopamine is actually
wake you up
neurotransmitter.
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We've heard the dopamine in, Parkinson's disease.
So it also is a wakefulness.
Alright. Cool. Sleep alert. Those who enjoy sugary
snacks before bed may be more likely to
experience nightmares and otherwise bizarre dreams. I didn't
know that. Mhmm. Also, studies have shown that
people have a harder time falling and staying
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asleep
in the days before the full
moon.
Luna is out. I think that's fascinating. Yeah.
Well, let's talk a tiny bit more about
sleep disorders. Okay. Insomnia is a sleep disorder,
meaning you cannot
sleep. Right? Either you cannot sleep, you cannot
fall asleep, you cannot maintain sleep,
or the quality is really rotten even though
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you have adequate opportunity for sleep. Seventy percent
of Americans say that, they suffer from sleep
issues. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Are
you a good sleeper? Oh, yeah. I've had
insomnia for my most of my life, like,
fourteen on. I pretty much slept between, like,
four to six hours on a really good
night. And now I since I met my
wife, it's gotten a little bit better. But
yeah. Cool. Cool. Well Your typical one, maybe
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I have a problem in this country. Yeah.
And so a lot of times,
sleeping pills are being taken. However,
that can lead to
more problems. So everybody knows,
dependency and tolerance of the sleep problems. Some
sleep some
medication
helps you fall asleep. Some medication
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keeps you asleep. Some medication knocks you out.
That's mostly the one that one gets,
But the stuff I take is super lightweight,
right? Seroquel
and,
and hydroxyzine?
Yeah. Yeah. They're kinda antipsychotics
or something?
Seroquel is. Oh my god. But but it's
just such a low dose, twenty five milligrams
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is used to keep your sleep. Yeah. And
hydroxyzine
is really an antihistamine,
but it's used in as an anxiolytic
so your mind can rest. And by the
way, I heard that Benadryl, recent studies, right?
You you read it too that Benadryl is
now having a link. The daily consumption of
Benadryl, like many people take is bad. So
I have taken Benadryl for years every night
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to fall asleep. And after you told
because now After you told I have postsynaptic
after you told me I have switched now
because that's a new finding and About the
correlation with the timers. Yeah. With Benadryl. Just
throw it out there.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Ready to go. Well, that's
that's something that I want to do. I'm
I'm gonna I'm gonna jump into a Jaguar
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and I'm gonna start driving while asleep because
that's what some of these weird nocturnal behaviors
like sleep walking and driving. Honestly, there's driving
while while asleep. Yeah. I just thought it
was Tom Dorsak out there driving around. Like,
heck, Tom, thank you very much for your
sound engineer, and he's here as always helping
us produce this show. But,
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well, anyways, I just I had a college
roommate who was a sleepwalker and he would
end up
getting into the closet and then climbing up
and getting into the loft above the closet
where you put shoes and things, crunched himself
down and wouldn't have any idea how he
got up there. I mean, major thing he'd
have to get up, how he could get
up there anyways.
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But,
that's just a weird situation. Well, there wraps
up sort of
our initiation
of sleep on the new chatting chairs. We're
gonna try to discuss this each and every
week and we are real excited about that.
Speaking of getting ready, yep, it's time to
introduce one of our favorite guests here on
the Doc and Jacques radio show. Super talented
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showman and all around nice guy, James DeBodis
is here in the KCIW studio again after
four months four months he was here. Yeah.
Just some time we brought him back. And
he's gonna share some of his backstory and
play some of his original songs and music
after that. Welcome. Know more about him. James
is, known for his incredible drumming talents, but
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our studio was too small to accommodate such
instruments. So James will be playing his guitar
in a bit. I told you he was
talented. So let's jump right in and introduce
James DeBotez, otherwise known as JD Drums to
the Doc and Jacques Show. Welcome back, James.
Welcome. Hello. Thank you for having me. Alright.
So let's remind you can remind us, please.
Where were you born and raised?
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I was born in, Lansing, Michigan, but I
was mostly raised in Portland, Oregon, which is
where I spent most of my life touring
out of there as a musician as well.
So Very cool. How did you end up
here?
I was on tour with a band called
Sweet and Juicy.
We played our show here in town at
the Oxenfree Bar, and I met my now
wife,
that night. And we stayed at our house
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because we're broke musicians and needed a place
to stay, and she was kind enough to
to put us up and then, take me
off the market as well. So Okay.
Now,
remind us, when was your wedding anniversary? It
was literally yesterday, to to your wedding anniversary.
Hey, Priscilla, if you're listening to NPR or
you could pleasure. Everybody could listen to the
show later on by going to kcw.org
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and just clicking on past shows, scrolling down
to DocuSign, and you could play it at
your leisure. So you were yeah. Yeah. How
long have you been playing?
I mean, drums most of my life. I've
been playing professionally since I was about 12
years old. That's when I started, like, recording
albums and going on the road and stuff
like that. But Cool.
Guitar, I started at 15. Bass, I started
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at 17.
Keyboards, I started playing in my twenties because
I needed
to start using more instruments for making,
I make, like, hip hop beats and and
rap beats for people. So that's a whole
separate section. And once I started getting into
production, then I learned a bunch of other
stuff too because Okay. So Never stop. Just
keep keep learning stuff. You've you've already mentioned
Oxenfree. You did, I think what's your gig?
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What do you do with Oxenfree, and how
long have you been doing it? Oh, man.
It's I think it's going close to six
months now. It it time is fun for
sure. But, yeah, we we've been running the
open mic, night over at Oxenfree every Tuesday
night.
Sign ups at 07:30
and music starts at eight every week. We
always have a great featured artist. We try
to feature as much local talent as possible.
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So if you guys wanna contact either me
at JD Drums Facebook or my partner Keith
Roberts at his Facebook,
it's always a great place. Going on, man?
Yeah, man. So so you're Oxford Free. The
hours are late, goes from eight till ten?
Ten? Pretty much. Yeah. So, like, eleven or
midnight a lot of the time, honestly. Wow.
Yeah. And it's a crew open mic? Anybody
Yeah. Anything. Like, we've had we had a
spoken word guy. We had a couple of
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comedians last night. We had,
a singer songwriter, like, acoustic guy. I didn't
bring my instruments last night because it was
my anniversary when we were celebrating. But usually,
I have electric guitar and bass and acoustic
and all the things, and we have a
great sound system.
You know? It's it's a good situation. All
set up. And the, food and atmosphere of
Oxid free is unique. Oxid Free, for those
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that don't know, is located right downtown
next to the Redwood movie theater,
in Downtown Brookings. So people come down Basically,
the same building
block that I'm on. City. People come down
from
Gold Beach or
and and beyond, and people come up here
and, hey, open mic is always a good
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venue. I look at an open mic as
what? A talent show. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Mhmm.
And a and a talent springboard too. Like,
I love giving people that are, like, kinda
new to the scene, maybe nervous and don't
know how to book or whatever. They can
come in and get more comfortable on a
stage with a live sound system and how
that whole process works, and we can try
and get them some tips. And, you know,
we give them a tab and, like, try
to give them as much as we can
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to, like, help support them in their evening
and promote for them and all that stuff.
So Proud on. Yeah. Cool. Cool. And then
you have a featured guest each week. Right?
Yeah. And it's I try to have it
somebody different every week, and I try to
have it never be myself because I don't
wanna
I'm gonna be like, hey. It's mine.
And it's not honestly, it's really not, like,
my partner Keith does, like, if if anything
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more than I do physically and I really
appreciate him. He's, like, I I wanna say,
like, I couldn't do it without him, but
I can definitely say for sure, like, I
could not do it as well,
not even close without him at this moment.
Like, he's he's been a huge help, and
we're trying to do all kinds of things
together. We're starting a new production company and
all kinds of things. So it's good to
be done. Go, Keith. Why don't you ask
the question about the difference between traditional, if
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you will? Okay. So well, so you play
the drums. You're JD drums.
What is the difference between traditional drums and
the digital drums?
I mean, over the years, it's changed.
Obviously, acoustic drums are just very loud in
general and project a lot, and electric drums
have the ability, at least nowadays, to be
completely,
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like, as loud as tapping on this table
instead of, like, a projection of sound. And
you put headphones on into where you're the
only one who can hear what's actually happening.
And it's great for recording. You don't need
microphones. And so there's tons of advantages and
disadvantages to both sides.
Obviously, if I was, like, a rich man,
I'd have a giant studio with a big
drum room and a huge live drum set
and all that stuff. But realistically, for my
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situation,
electric has been very helpful. And for the
small clubs around town, bands that I play
with and even when they come see my
solo shows, they really appreciate
not being blasted in the face Right. With,
like, these really loud cymbals and, you know,
there's all these things that happen with live
drums. Could you also adjust the
the flats or the keys or whatever that's
called? I I can yeah. It's anything digital.
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I can adjust, like, anything from the tone
to the volume to, like, how it's being
projected to the crowd. Like, I could hear
it different in my headphones than you do
in the crowd depending on how I wanna
make it work. So that's all really fun.
Yeah. But I'm also a traditionalist too. Like,
I play Right. Regular instruments, guitar and bass
and piano lessons. So, like, I use the
best of both worlds now. Which one is
more popular?
I mean, I would say, generally, like, acoustic
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drums. And even though I love my electric
drums, like, there's no replacing the feeling of
playing, like, on a really nice acoustic kit,
just full volume, like, even, like, outdoors. It
sounds, like, amazing. So I love that too,
and I will definitely be I already have
another live kit getting started now, but my
electric kit is, like, my workhorse and what
I will continue to use for most things
around town because it just makes sense. Easier
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to move. Right? It's like Not really. Actually,
that's a reason. So it's, like, it's not
a small one either. It's a very large
drum set as even if it was a
regular drum set, people would think it was
pretty big. But after setting setting
everything up like you would a normal kit
Yeah. Then I have to go to the
electronics and start plugging everything in Yeah. And
get all my levels right. I mean, this
is it's like the best or the worst
of both worlds, I guess, in that sense.
Like, you have to set up your whole
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drum kit, and then you have to hook
up all the electronics like you would with
a guitar. So it's you have to know
to do both things. Things I've noticed are
two things. Number one, you could adjust the
volume by basically just turning down I literally
have a volume switch for my track separately
and my drums and the master volume. That's
a great advantage. Yeah. You know, you're in
a smaller venue, you're in a weird room
that has weird acoustics, you could turn it
down. It's nice. The other thing I've noticed
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is that I've seen these new drum sets
that are digital drum sets, and there's it
takes up almost virtually no space because there's
no big what do you call the foot
the big foot drum. Like, they had a
lot and that's been a thing for a
while. I guess, small kick drum is what
they call it, but just, like, a little
pad that is just big enough for your
pedal to hit it Right. And, like, a
tiny little rack with, like, these thin little
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pads. And that's great for, like, compact or
for, like, if you had a tiny stage,
that'd be really great. But, like, honestly, I
can still fit mine on most stages
relatively easily, and it's infinitely better feeling to
be on a kit that feels like a
real like, with those small pads and everything,
it feels very unnatural as a drummer. Now
do you have to for this electronic ones,
do you have to put that little window
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in front of you? You know, the No.
Because there's no projection. Like I said, like,
everything is rubber and mesh and and stuff
like that. So, like, the only sound that's
coming out is actually from the speakers that
are usually in front of me. Oh. I
wear my headphones while I play as my
own monitoring system to hear self, and then
my band and the audience is hearing everything
through my sound system. Right. Now so you
have played and performed
on many venues and places. Oh, yeah. Do
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you have a local favorite?
I mean, Oxonfury always has a soft spot
in my heart because that's where I met
my wife for sure. Right? Aw.
You played the I I love,
South Beach porta pints. It's like my Yeah.
My dad favorite. You've been there several times.
I've been I've been trying to play there
at least, like, once a month, and I
think we're building a good crowd out there.
So, Russell, if you're listening to this, have
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me Russell Smithson. Yeah. Tell him about Russell.
Yeah. And James, doctor doctor John Kirk and
his wife, Cynthia. They're all James Kirk. James
Kirk. Well, they, yeah. That is a different
stage. It's a big stage.
Checo's is huge. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Totally. And
then you get Inatecheco
in in that's small.
No. Inatecheco's okay. That's a great one. But
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now I'm thinking of porta pine set first.
Oh, the the Yeah. Yeah. Really small. North
Park. Every once in a while, we play
there too with, like, Robert Tannen's group and
stuff like that. It's like school. It's like
a little more intimate and, like, we kind
of play somewhere, like, jazzy stuff to, like
That's what we love. We we we go
there because for the show where we we're
such big dancers, but we also like just
going and kicking back and being entertained. I
always think of it. It brings me back
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to the night nightclub days of San Francisco.
Totally. Gotcha. Good jazz act. Yep. You're a
supreme,
drummer. Wonderful, wonderful musician. Thank you. I really
appreciate it. Have you produced your own album,
Source City? Yes. Constantly
ever since I started recording. I mean, nothing
big at first, obviously, but, I've already finished
a a hip hop rap fusion type album
this year with a local artist.
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His name is Bobby.
I won't reveal his last name just in
case he doesn't want me to. But his
rap name is Demonize, and, we're Demonize. Yeah.
It's pretty good. It's one of our more
popular songs as well as self titled. Second
album is being done right now, and it
should be finished by August. So I wanna
have that out by my birthday in September.
Cool. Very cool. Since you were here four
months ago, you've already you're working on a
(25:26):
second album. Right? Yeah. The the one,
four months ago that we I think we
just released it or we were about to
release it. I think we had just released
it. So I was telling you about that.
And that's on SoundCloud, and and it's all
over the interwebs and stuff. So you can
look that up for sure if you just
look up demonize. Keep those pens and papers
because you're gonna find out, a lot more
information about James,
at the end of the show. So you
can write down how to get a hold
(25:47):
of him. Alright. Keep asking. Have you met
or played with any famous folks? Of course.
Yeah. You started us with us after all.
Well, besides True. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I I grew up playing
in, like, a sort of eighties style, like,
hair metal style band with a, you know,
my my mother was the lead singer, so,
like, big blonde hair, like, bombshell type. And
(26:07):
then so oh, when you were 12? Well,
all the way through when I was, like,
18 when she retired. Oh, how cute.
So it was, like, we're out there playing,
like, legitimate, like, Motley Crue esque, like, hair
metal and, like, looking, you know, leather pants,
the whole deal. And so all these eighties
bands, seventies and eighties bands were coming back
on the road at the time in the
early mid two thousands, and they're like, we're
(26:27):
gonna do reunion tours, all this stuff. And
so we would just go open for all
these different bands. Oh, absolutely. Whether it was
like an Ozzfest or a WARP tour. You
get to meet a lot. I mean, meet
ton of them for sure. But, like, actually,
like, sit and have conversations with, like, some
really like Sebastian Bach, the singer for Skid
Row for a long time. He,
one of the biggest compliments I've ever had,
and I still remember it to this day,
is he came out after an opening act
(26:48):
when they're supposed to follow us. And we're
just supposed to be some nobody opening act.
They've never heard of us. And he literally
comes back, and he's like, you're the best
drummer I've ever seen, dude. He's like, I
don't know Wow. What the hell I just
saw or what the heck I just saw.
He's like, that's absolutely ridiculous. And I was
like, you're I literally told him, like, you
can't be serious. I was like, you played
with some of the best dudes in the
eighties. Like, they were, you know, like, some
really legendary. So I was that's a huge
(27:10):
compliment, and I've I love playing with those
guys. And then when I was doing pop
punk stuff, played shows with, like, Weezer at,
like, New Jersey Music Fest and stuff like
that. Like, those big, like, collaborative festivals and
stuff like that where they're just, like, a
hundred bands at the same time. So So
if you get to really to to walk
around and meet all these people, what's the
you played, all these things as a drummer
or maybe as guitarist, which you'll be playing
(27:31):
today. What's the hardest type or genre of
music that you play? Is there a challenge
or is there certain I mean, I this
is what so it's definitely
divisive in places like this where, like, rock
and metal is not necessarily as popular. But
I'm from, you know, I'm from Portland and
I toured with, like, metal bands all throughout
the years and so, like, progressive metal specifically,
like, bands like Dream Theater and, like, even
(27:51):
a lot of newer ones that are coming
out now, it's, like, all about musicianship
pushing the boundaries of, like, what you can
personally do and then getting together with a
group of people and, like, pushing each other,
which is really fun because it's, like, there's
no limits to it at all. And I
like instrumental stuff as well because you don't
have to worry about it being, like, oh,
who's the singer? Like, who's the front man?
It's, like, it's not about some, like, pretty
boy in the front or some pretty girl
(28:12):
in the front. It's literally like, these guys
are awesome, and we don't even need vocals
because they're so good at what they're doing.
How do you promote or land the gigs
then? I mean, I I've been cold calling
for years and telling you I've booked whole
tours just by, like, finding a route that
I'd like to drive and finding places that
I that I think look cool along the
way and just calling them and be like,
hey. We're going on a tour. Do you
(28:32):
wanna book us on such and such date?
I got this window of time I can
come through town. And nine out of 10
times, they're gonna be like, I don't know
who you are.
Give you the ring around. But it's like
the first guy that says yes, I'm like,
cool. That's my new route now. Now I'm
going Oh, very cool. So it's like if
you do that for six weeks straight, like
really working hard at it and you really
plan everything out and call 20 times to
every place Yeah. Then you can make it
(28:53):
happen as an independent person, and you don't
need a booker and a agent and all
that. So that's what I do. No. You
do write your own music. Your Yeah. So
do you go after a certain trend, or
do you, b g, because you say you
wanna push yourself to the limit as a
means? Different. I mean, I'm just listening to
every genre I can get my hands on
that, like, speaks to me and then listening
to the bands that I feel have the
(29:14):
best musicians in the world Mhmm. And then
trying a, trying to learn everything that they
do. Like, on the drums, I can learn
any song as long as I have enough
time to learn it. Like, it wouldn't matter
what genre it was I feel confident in
saying. Uh-huh. On the guitar, it's completely different.
You have to know what key you're in,
what tuning it's in, like, the phrasing of
the notes and where he's even playing the
notes on the neck because you can play
(29:35):
the same note in four different spots. You
know what I mean? So Yeah. There's all
these nuances to that that are way more
difficult and intricate. So, like, I would say
it'd be much more difficult to be a
progressive metal, like, guitar player, a really good
one, than it is to me to be
a drummer because that's just naturally what I'm
better at. So Not fair to say that
would be that way for everybody, but I
feel that way. I think the drums has
got to be the hardest instrument. Well, you
(29:56):
have to have that beat. You have to
have a rhythm and then you well, you
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(31:40):
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And yours? Oh, well, thank you. I appreciate
it. Alright. Back to James,
de, de bodis.
James, are you
getting better with age as you Certainly trying.
But, yeah, I mean, I don't think I've
hit the the pinnacle yet. Luckily, I still
have some some years to put in, and
I started really young. And I do try
(32:00):
to
stretch my my brain as much as possible.
Like, mental elasticity is huge for me. I'm
constantly learning
new things and Yeah. Very good. Now when
is your next event?
Here. Let me Next Tuesday. Week. Week. Week.
Week.
Week. Week. Week. Week. Week. Week. Week. Week.
Week. Week. Week. Week. Week. Week.
I can even tell you this,
next week, we have the Chetco effect as
(32:20):
our, our featured artist. So that'll be a
a fun night. Yeah. They were also a
new group of guys. Right? Yeah. And then
I'll be out of town the following week,
on my post anniversary trip that we're doing
we're gonna go see Kaleo at Red Rocks
and spend some time over in Gomer so
that's gonna be fun but, that week the
thirteenth
on that Tuesday will be the the rapper
I was talking about demonize he's doing his
(32:40):
first May thirteenth feature yeah May 13 And
so he's gonna be suing our original music,
like, for everybody there. It won't be any
covers. It's, like, all our stuff. So that'll
be cool. But I'll be out of town
for it, unfortunately.
Go support him. Nice. Anyways, my next gig
because I've had some off weeks here. I
have Oxenfree
on May,
sixteenth
and Inoteca on May 17. Inoteca, we love
(33:03):
it. Yeah. Augustinos on May 24 and then
Groundlings Pizza on May 31. Up in Gold
Beach. Yeah. Cool. You are The busy busy
guy. Also doing Yeah. May I'm doing a
pretty pretty pretty pretty cool one. Should be
this good time of year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Do you also do private events, weddings, parties,
etcetera? Thing. We are, especially with our new
production company,
just launching,
(33:23):
hit yes for business card. It's gonna be
great. It's still in infancy as far as,
like,
you know, whatever we're gonna need. I'm sure
it's gonna be a whole process of red
tape like everything else is. But
essentially, right now, we can do whatever we
want live sound wise, recording wise,
if you need a private event, even like
a small small private karaoke where you want
to do it in, like, your backyard, like,
(33:43):
you do everything from that to, like, half
a football field if you want to do,
you know, like, something for, like, a high
school graduation or something. Yeah. That's something like
a huge party or something. That football field
of people come to my party.
I just like yeah. It's like it's a
good way to put it. Like, we can
have, like, that many people and still have
them hear everything really clearly.
Like I said, my partner Keith Roberts just
invested a lot of his own personal money
(34:05):
into it and so, you know, he's got
an awesome, like, huge outdoor JBL sound system.
We already have the sound system Right on.
Every week. Good. Oxenfree. It's gonna be a
good thing. So So I gotta meet this
Yeah. I gotta meet Keith, Roberts. I told
I told him, I was like, we should
have him on next time. He plays bass
too. He's a really good bass player. Right.
He plays bass in Antidote. Is another
new, duo group. Love to know. Love to
hear that. Love to meet him too. Alright.
Let's get into let's get we're gonna come
(34:26):
back and find out where you're gonna be,
where you see yourself later on, and how
to get a hold of you. But let's
listen to a couple of your songs right
now. What's your first song gonna be? And
these are original,
compositions, right, with backing? Yeah. They're yeah. I
just have, some some backing tracks that kind
of,
replicate some standards, I suppose, in the in
the musical world, but it's it's got my
own flavor. And then I just play some
solos over the top for y'all so that
(34:47):
you can get kind of a idea of
what what style I like. Is that a
glitter pink guitar you had there? Yeah. And
this will be probably the last time you'll
see me play it. I actually, I have
a friend of mine that is gonna purchase
it from me because I just got a
new guitar. I'll give you $20 more on
Hee
Oh, I don't know.
Yeah. But it's like Verne Monet. John, you
better start bidding. You know Verne Monet, the
(35:08):
guy's like he's he's an addict
to collecting guitars. He just I'm I'm the
same, but I rotate through them. I don't
like hanging them up and not playing them.
I like like getting new ones and having
new tones to play with. You guitarist. Alright.
What did what is your first song called?
Alright.
Un unnamed. Unnamed funk awesomeness.
It's hard to name songs that don't have,
lyrics, you know?
(35:29):
Alright. James Debodos. So here in the studio
with JD Drums, you'll find out. Alright. Let's
hear it. Unnamed.
Unnamed. Unnamed.
(40:08):
Woah.
Dang. Awesomeness. Alright. I mean, so that's a
backing track, but you're doing all the guitar
strumming or playing or picking or whatever. Here.
You should see those fingers. And you sure
going up and down the
the bar there. I mean, up and down
the neck of that thing feeling good. Wow.
So Fair enough. So very good. Where do
you see yourself in a couple of years?
(40:29):
Where does James Bose wanna be in a
couple of years? Any big I mean, as
long as I'm with my wife and playing
music and doing my thing. I mean, preferably
just not working a regular day job and
just playing music to afford a comfortable life
is, like, the main goal. And then everything
else past that is, like, you're blessed, you
know? So Yeah. What do what do musicians
(40:49):
generally get paid? I mean, for just doing
Not enough? Not enough. Yeah. No. I mean,
and and we But it's not it's no
fault of any but, like, it's just they
pay you what, like, they can generally afford
to pay you. And in any given town,
you'll get what that town can afford to
give you usually. Like, sometimes there's an outstanding
bar that, like, tends to do better business
wise, so they can afford to get better.
(41:10):
Would be would be good, like, $2.50 and
upwards. Yeah. It depends, like, are you a
single musician? Like, if you're a solo artist
Yeah. Then you can make a lot more
money. You get a lot more money. You
get a lot more. Right. Which is why
everybody's kinda branching out and doing their own
thing now. It's, like, kind of it's fortunate
and unfortunate because it's giving single artists a
spotlight to shine. But then, like, real bands
are, like, if I have a six piece
band, what where am I supposed to go
to? The Robert Tiernan and Friends for example.
(41:31):
We literally just accepted that we're doing that
for fun. Like, we make we'll make, like,
$50 a piece. Yeah. And and it's like,
it's not it's not a jab. Like, it's
not they're they're paying the band, like, $350
or something like that. It's a it sounds
like a good amount of money, but if
you have seven people. Right. Right. So and,
like, it's not like we're getting $500 in
tips either. So it's you can have good
nights and bad nights and that's totally fine.
We all accept that's part of it. But,
(41:52):
like, if you're a touring musician, you probably
make a little bit more because you're on
the road. They know you have mouths to
feed or whatever. Like, maybe you don't have
to spend any money on anything because you
get a free meal every place you go
and And a free meal or free You
get friends everywhere to let us stay at
their places and stuff so we don't have
to spend a lot of money. Any money
with selling CDs or Spotify or
No. Not like well, CDs for sure not
(42:12):
because I'm not even making them at the
moment. I'm doing everything digitally at the moment.
And so
the streaming revenue that you would need or,
like, the streaming amount of views rather that
you would need to get revenue from it
now is in the millions, like Wow. To
get anything worth even shaking a stick at.
It's not like if you get a hundred
thousand views, like, you get a hundred thousand
dollars. Like, this is not how it works.
Right. I think you get, like Wow. A
(42:33):
point $0.00 1¢ on every play that you
get. So if you get 10,000,000,000 plays, then
you'll have
$10,000,000
after 10,000,000,000 play like, that's that's that's not
a good market. Nobody has 10,000,000,000. I mean
Like, there's, like, three artists that have that
anywhere on any platform. You know what I
mean? What's her name? The one that's saying,
that pretty It's unfortunately not who you think.
(42:54):
Alina Adair. We all wanna think it's like
the peep yeah. Even even her. She's probably,
like, number, like, 26. It's it's like, the
people that deserve to be on the top
of that list are, like, almost never on
the top, which is totally fine. I'm not
expecting to be top 40. That's not my
goal in life. I would much rather be
a successful independent artist who is able to
do all of the things that most people
pay other people to do just all by
(43:14):
myself so I don't have to pay them.
We enjoy watching you because you've you seem
you're you're having a good time up there.
Right. I'll play your drums and you're having
all this background
tracks. Alright. Well, that's I have a guitar
right now. What's your next day? Playing guitar
now. That's right. This is not even what
he's known for. Right. Yeah. Secondary instrument. Yeah.
So what about some drums. What about the
next, song? What's this one is, inspired by
(43:35):
an artist that I really love. His name
is Guthrie Govan. He's like
I I wanna say he's, like, the best
technical, like, jazz fusion guitar player in the
world, but let's let's just say he's one
of the best guitar players in the world.
And if you see him play, you'll understand
why I'm saying that. But this is a
simple like, he has these beautiful,
simple, jazzy
backing tracks, and then the stuff he does
on guitar is, like, you know, makes puts
me to shame. So it's inspired by him,
(43:56):
but in no way am I gonna play
his guitar. Alright. James DeBodos here with another
original piece. And do this change every time
you play them? Are they a little bit
different, Yeah. I I definitely I'm I'm fully
improvising as far as what I'm playing, and
then I guess I play them enough over
time that some flows end up happening. But,
yeah, for the most part, I'm just kinda
giving you what I naturally do. Unnamed song
number two, Jane of the Bonus. Here we
(44:17):
go. KCAW.
(48:06):
Woah.
Dang.
Now I see a spray bottle. It looks
like it looks no. It looks like a,
miniature
hairspray can, and it says FingerEase
on it. What is that? FingerEase.
Your free advertisement for the day.
When your strings are getting a little old,
but you like the feel of them and
you don't wanna change them, use Finger Ease.
(48:27):
You mean you spray it on the It's
a lubricant for your strings. It keeps them
Otherwise,
it kinda wipes off the gunk from you
know, you get little hunks of skin and
all that gray in the room. And then
I have this little, like Eye gunk. Rubber
bar thing that, like, kinda
gets the dirt off of it and then
a microfiber cloth inside of that that helps,
like, fully Thought it was something you spray
in your fingers, like, glue or so just
(48:49):
to be honest with it. It helps you,
like, glide across the notes instead of because
you can get hung up sometimes and different
stuff. So I just try to keep my
stuff as smooth as possible. Alright. We have
time for one more, give it make it
about a four minute shot here, and then
we'll finish up with your giving you information
about how people get ahold of you. And
then we will go into our last few
minutes with the fun time. Fun corner.
(49:09):
Those people that only listen to the jokes,
unquote. Darn it. Still hoping.
Alright. James, the bonus. Here he is. Finally,
gotta listen to me play before they get
to the jokes.
That was
cool.
(53:30):
And he fades out. Alright. Very
cool. Cool.
Excellent. Here in the KCIW
studio,
playing his hard out with a guitar, his
pink guitar. It's an Ibanez. Later. I Ibanez.
I don't know how you pronounce it.
Very,
very cool. Doc asked him the last few
questions, and that is
Alright.
(53:50):
Now how do people get ahold of you?
How do I make a difference? Me there.
Facebook's always good. JD Drums,
fairly certain I'm the only one. Certainly, the
only one in in Brookings.
And then, phone number is always good. (541)
254-1944.
Say it again. One more time. (541)
254-1944.
(54:12):
Alright.
And then So how about I'm still hearing
music, and I'm hearing the I ground Nice.
Yeah. Back plate. There we go. Alright. Got
it. Hey.
We're we were we were long fading. We're
not long.
And then, for my partner, Keith Roberts, we
got,
robertskeith61@gmail.com
for email. And for the phone number, it
is (310)
678-5785.
(54:34):
1 more time. It is Phone number? 310678
sorry. 678-5785.
And that's to Keith. And then it's Keith
Roberts. Call either of us anytime if you
need anything sound related, live shows,
birthday parties. I don't care. This is And
we can also go find you at, Tuesday
nights at open mic at every week, Oxford
Street in Brookings.
(54:55):
And you're going down into Crescent City and
playing at the,
Porta Pines. Hey. I just wanted to say,
I don't think I recognized,
Chetco Medical,
an aesthetic center as being one of our
major sponsors. I think for some reason, that
was that love Oh, well.
There it is. Now you've never done it.
Yeah. Now I've done it. Okay. James Debodis,
thank you so much for coming in, man.
(55:16):
You're always welcome here. Next time, come with,
Keith and have him play a little back,
back in,
some bass. Yeah? Yeah. That would be great.
Have a great and good jam together. Thank
you for coming, Boris. Awesome too. Alright. Thanks,
guys. Thank you for asking me. Peace and
love. Thank you. Alright. What do we have
next, doc? We have fun time corner.
Oh, boy. Like I said, some people only
(55:37):
listen to the show just for the past
last three minutes. That's what they tell me.
My great jokes, though. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhmm.
Okay. Give us a give us a quote,
darling. Okay. Yeah. You got me good quotes
today. You you chose the quote. Yeah. It
shows I like to do the first one,
though. No. No. I do. Because it says
man. Okay. Go ahead.
Early to rise, early to bed makes a
man healthy,
(55:57):
wealthy,
and dead.
James Thurber.
Okay. Alright. Give us another good quote there.
No wonder Sleeping Beauty looked so good. She
took long naps, never got old,
and didn't have to do anything but kiss
a frog to get her prince charming. Yeah.
I mean, so we're talking of course, the
theme on these things Yeah. Alright. Is dreaming
(56:19):
and sleeping. But what dinosaur makes the most
noise when it is asleep? What?
A Tyrannosaurus.
Okay. My quad's bad up in your joke.
Okay. Give us a good joke. Alright. I
already said taller people sleep
longer in bed. Right? Yeah. Mhmm. Okay. I'm
so good at sleeping, I can do it
(56:41):
with my eyes closed. It's a cute one.
Alright. Give us a mother. Sleep is like
a cat. It only comes to you if
you ignore it. I like that one. Alright.
Give us another one. I like the insomnia.
Okay. Then you tell it because I don't
get it. Alright. Oh, don't do it. Just
go to the next one. Some people can't
sleep.
I thought you wanted to think the insomnia
(57:01):
was great. I don't like it anymore because
you like I only like what you like.
Okay. Some people can't sleep because they have
insomnia.
I can't sleep because I have the Internet.
Very true. Right? But I can't sleep because
I have you in my life. I love
you so much. Yeah. That's true. You're my
dream. You're my dream bro. Hey. What do
you call a sleeping cow, James?
(57:22):
Ground beef. A bulldozer.
It's on the ground. I don't know. Bulldozing.
Ah.
Ground dozing. Okay.
I just bought a sleeping bag for $30
Yeah. But I have no idea how to
wake it up.
Oh, it's so cute. I like that one.
I think
I'm on a good side though.
(57:42):
Without enough sleep, we all become tall two
year olds.
Without enough sleep, we all become tall two
year olds. Turtle tantrums being Yes. What do
you call a nose
with no body?
And what? Nobody nose.
Okay.
I can't get it. I can't get it.
No body. No. I think I think the
(58:03):
dumbbells act practice smiling the engineering booth. A
good laugh and a long sleep are the
best cures in the doctor's book.
Apparently, at least it's an Irish proverb. Yeah.
And a good laugh and a long sleep
are the best cures in the doctor's book.
Same one.
Oh. Oh, wait. You have that as a
joke? Sort of.
I can,
(58:24):
there was a kidnapping at school today. And?
It's okay,
though. He woke up.
A kidnapping.
There was a kidnapping at school then. It's
okay, though. He woke up. Nice. Oh my
goodness. Happiness consists of getting enough sleep. Just
that. Nothing more.
Wow. Cool. Okay. Okay. The best bridge between
(58:44):
despair and hope is is a good night's
sleep.
This is very true. Yes. I think we
are on the end of our exit here.
We are. We had a great talk here.
It was very good. James Tabotis. Yep. You
have been listening to the Doc and Jock
Radio Variety Show with James Tabotis
on the helm with
us. It's on KCRW
(59:05):
one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon.
We hope you have the enjoyed the show
as much as we have. Yep. And it'll
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on this show at docandjeanque@gmail.com.
Now, stay tuned for Tony Durso right now
after this program. Peace and love, everybody. Thank
you. Goodbye. Thanks, James. Thank you, guys.
Welcome
everyone.
You have now entered the cosmic
radio receptors of KCIW
one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon.
Thank you for tuning in to this week's
fabulous program. I'm doctor Gigi, and my cohost
is, as always, Jacques Kepner. How are you
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today, Jacques Hippo? Greetings, everyone, and welcome to
the Doc and Jacques Radio Variety Show. I
wanna mention that you're hearing this live show
on KCOW in Brookings, Oregon. That said, the
same show will be rebroadcasted
exactly one week from now each and every
Wednesday
on KZZH
ninety six point seven
FM in Eureka and Humboldt.
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It said 8AM
next Wednesday, but that's okay. And then a
few hours later at 1PM on my old
alma mater, KFUG one zero one point one
FM in Crescent City, California. So now you
know that doc and I
have your coasts
covered.
Right on. We also have today
a couple of special things to talk about.
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New things? Yes. We have a unique, a
new feature
at the Doc and Jack radio show. Woah.
It's meow. Cool.
We call it the chatting chairs.
Chatting like a oh, I'm supposed to know
these things. Of course, chatting chairs. Yeah. Yeah.
So that's the time when you, Jackie, and
I will probe into interesting health topics that
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relate to us humans,
more likely, and the world that we inhabit.
Cool. So just to be on the safe
side, grab a pencil and paper and get
ready to expand your horizons and learn some
fascinating things. Yeah. Do the pencil and paper
because there's some things that just blow my
mind. We were we've been doing research on
this all week and just having a ball
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doing it.
This is the inaugural voyage of Chatty Chairs.
We are going to discuss something that all
humans have in common.
And in fact, something that all life on
Earth has in common and that is
sleep.
Yeah.
Did you know that the Greek god of
sleep was a deity named
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Hypnos?
Hypnos, that's where the word hypnotized come from.
That's just so cool. Mhmm. Hypnos ruled supreme
over humans in a huge way.
After all, we spend about one third of
our lives sleeping.
Snoozing. Yeah. Snoozing.
Yet in today's world, very few people know
what power hypnos once held over their sleeping
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lives. Yeah.
Interesting. Well, so if hypnos was the god
of sleep, who was the god of dreams?
Bad dreams?
Nightmares? I don't know who. None other than
Morpheus. Oh, Morpheus
was the god
of dreams.
There was Morpheus who was the creator of
our unconscious
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projecting dream lives.
Oh, cool. Our alternative
self. Woah. Yeah.
So let's give Morpheus credit for for creating
such beautiful and
fantastic slumbering powers, but we can also blame
him for causing us occasional nightmares
and repetitious,
dumb, stinking
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dreams. I think we both had the same
dumb dream last night. I was being chased
by a lion and it was. And I
tried to tell you how to close a
sock for a cow. Close a sock. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah. Morpheus lives
on in modern society, especially in the medical
field
through the word
morphine. Morphine comes from morpheus.
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Deep sleep, deep sleep, euphoria. Euphoria. Yeah.
Alright. So let's look
let's look a little closer at sleep. The
definition is actually, it is a condition of
the body and mind that typically
recurs for several hours every night in which
the eyes are closed,
the postural muscles
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will act. Muscles? What the hell? Okay.
The activity of the brain altered
and consciousness
of the surroundings
practically suspended.
Hey, doc. Do you know what that sandy
stuff is that is found in the corner
of your eyes after sleeping? It's called What?
Eye sand.
Technically, it's called rheum, r h e u
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m. And rheum is made up of wonderful
things like mucus, skin cells, oils, and dust.
The rheum that comes from the eyes forms
crystals.
It also is called eye gunk, sleep dust,
and sleep sand. I think that's pretty technical
word. I like that one. Sleep sand. Well,
let's get into more stats and facts. Our
guest, James, is up there blinking really hard
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now. Having them
So Rheumy eyes. Rheumy eyes. Brain activity, we
heard that while the body rests during sleep,
the brain is very active. It's processing memories
and information.
Mhmm. Also,
newer results have shown that sleep plays a
housekeeping role
in that it removes during the time, it
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removes toxins from our brain. That's weird. These
toxins build up while we're awake and they
don't have an outlet.
All humans dream and most people experience several
dreams per night,
lasting
two to
some
Two hours a week. To a little bit
more hours on average. Well, doc, I only
dream of you.
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It's so long. Twenty four seven. Everybody who
sleeps has dreams even if they don't remember
them. Most people have four to six dreams
per night or,
as for me, I have a bunch in
the mornings.
Humans spend about a third as mentioned earlier
or 33% of their lives either sleeping or
trying
to fall asleep. Yeah. Like that one. The
average human falls asleep within ten to twenty
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minutes of laying down, and people can survive
much longer
without food
than they can without sleep. What do you
mean? Well, you can live the human being
can live up to three to up to
three to ten weeks depending on how much
whatever without any food at all. Now, they
have that water, but the food No problem.
They don't have any food for three to
ten weeks. But studies have shown that if
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you don't get any sleep at all,
at all over a extended period of time,
you're dead within eleven to twelve days. Less
than two weeks, you die. Your brain just
gives up. Let's go to not dying that
long, but sleep deprivation. Sleep deprivation is what
I meant. Yeah. You can't have that. Right.
So, well,
if you only have the sleep deprivation and
not die, then it can actually affect mood,
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memory.
It can induce weight gain.
It can weaken the immune system,
which
ergo makes us more susceptible to illness. As
a matter of fact, in medical school, we
learned that the immune system really only works
at full speed during sleep. Woah. Cool. Yeah.
Insufficient sleep can increase the risk of heart
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disease
and other cardiovascular
or heart problems.
And
we,
we also heal and repair our internal cells
while sleeping. Wow. That is cool. Have you
ever awoken
awoken or ever woke up and that you've
seen something that wasn't truly there?
Well, this is known as a, you gotta
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announce it. Hypnopompic?
Hypnopompic
hallucinations.
Yeah. Now a similar phenomenon is
hypnagogic
hallucinations,
which happens right before falling asleep. In fact,
our guest I think is in a hypnagogic
hallucination right now.
Nope. Deeply paying attention.
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Both of these conditions affect about sixty to
seventy percent of all humans. Yeah. And but
but but but by definitions, hallucinations occur only
in full waking state in the full waking
state. So our guest is not a hallucination,
I don't think.
Well, he's Yet similarities to sleep related experiences
such as hypnagogic
and hypnopopic
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hallucinations, dreams, and how about this one? Parasomnias
Yeah. Have been noted forever since antiquity. Mhmm.
Yeah. Sleepwalking and sleep terrors. Weird sleepwalking. Yeah.
There are those parasomnias. For example, they happen
when the person is not awake.
So not hallucination.
So they're indeed fast asleep. About fifteen percent
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of the population are sleepwalkers
and or people that experience
night terrors.
Did you know taller people sleep longer in
bed?
Do you
get it? Oh, yeah. I got it. Taller
people ready. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah.
Taller people sleep longer in bed. Okay. It's
going on. Okay.
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Now symptoms of night terrors,
we all know sleepwalkers. Right? Walking around Night
terrors. What it said? Yeah. Symptoms of night
terrors include
behaviors of fear.
Fear or beer?
Include fear, including crying,
screaming, agitation,
thrashing.
The autonomic nervous system goes in high gear,
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which means you have a fast heartbeat, tachycardia.
Tachypnea,
which means you breathe very fast, and you
can sweat because you're a full blown
in a panic attack. Wow. There so this
is the weird stuff. There is no or
possibly minimal only response to external stimuli. Like,
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you don't go and shake them. Hey, what's
going on? Why are you crying? They
It's real to them. It's no. They don't
know. It's as a matter of fact, when
they're waking up, they say, hey, what are
you shaking me for? Wait, what's going on?
I'm confused. So they don't know any of
that stuff. So it kind of bypasses the
consciousness
or the conscious brain. Oh, it's getting weirder
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and weirder. Yeah.
Yeah. So there are many, over a hundred
medically recognized sleep disorders. I know. I I
take a couple I take a light case
of
sleeping pills occasionally to get my sleep. Well,
anyways, this is fascinating. You know that throughout
the vast this is this is amazing. Right.
Listen to this one. Mhmm. James, you gotta
hear this. Throughout the vast amount of human
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history,
since time immortal,
humans followed a biphasic sleep cycle. What does
that mean? A biphasic sleep cycle is simply
translated people
slept in two distinct phases in a twenty
four hour day. But here's the kicker. With
the advent of extensive
artificial
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lighting over the past few hundred years Mhmm.
Biphasic
sleep cycles has faded out and has been
replaced by a what? An eight hour sleep
regime.
Right. I think that is so we used
to be biphasic. Meaning, we'd sleep four hours
here, two hours there, maybe well, that'd be
trisphasic.
Yeah. If you don't well, so there's also
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polyphasic
sleep. Oh.
Oh. For example, dolphins and hummingbirds,
they have the sleep patterns that are polyphasic.
They sleep in bursts,
basically, in short little bursts. They sleep Yeah.
Couple of minutes here and there, and so
that's how they rest. Wow. Cool. Now, you
talked about different times of of sleep. Sleep
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needs to change or does change with age.
Babies, as we know, sleep
forever sixteen, twenty
hours a day. A day. Yeah. My god.
Well, adults, us, typically need seven to nine
hours. That's where the eight hours comes from.
Now what happens during sleep is what they
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find during sleep is that there are multiple
so called
neurotransmitters,
meaning from nerve the little talking molecules from
one nerve to another.
And,
examples are serotonin,
which you also find in a lot of
antidepressants,
norepinephrine,
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which is the
rest and digest
neurotransmitter and acetylcholine. Acetylcholine
is found in a lot of different ways,
so
no need to explain. Talk to me. Dopamine.
Let's get Dopamine. We all agree with you.
Dopamine is actually
wake you up
neurotransmitter.
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We've heard the dopamine in, Parkinson's disease.
So it also is a wakefulness.
Alright. Cool. Sleep alert. Those who enjoy sugary
snacks before bed may be more likely to
experience nightmares and otherwise bizarre dreams. I didn't
know that. Mhmm. Also, studies have shown that
people have a harder time falling and staying
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asleep
in the days before the full
moon.
Luna is out. I think that's fascinating. Yeah.
Well, let's talk a tiny bit more about
sleep disorders. Okay. Insomnia is a sleep disorder,
meaning you cannot
sleep. Right? Either you cannot sleep, you cannot
fall asleep, you cannot maintain sleep,
or the quality is really rotten even though
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you have adequate opportunity for sleep. Seventy percent
of Americans say that, they suffer from sleep
issues. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Are
you a good sleeper? Oh, yeah. I've had
insomnia for my most of my life, like,
fourteen on. I pretty much slept between, like,
four to six hours on a really good
night. And now I since I met my
wife, it's gotten a little bit better. But
yeah. Cool. Cool. Well Your typical one, maybe
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I have a problem in this country. Yeah.
And so a lot of times,
sleeping pills are being taken. However,
that can lead to
more problems. So everybody knows,
dependency and tolerance of the sleep problems. Some
sleep some
medication
helps you fall asleep. Some medication
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keeps you asleep. Some medication knocks you out.
That's mostly the one that one gets,
But the stuff I take is super lightweight,
right? Seroquel
and,
and hydroxyzine?
Yeah. Yeah. They're kinda antipsychotics
or something?
Seroquel is. Oh my god. But but it's
just such a low dose, twenty five milligrams
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is used to keep your sleep. Yeah. And
hydroxyzine
is really an antihistamine,
but it's used in as an anxiolytic
so your mind can rest. And by the
way, I heard that Benadryl, recent studies, right?
You you read it too that Benadryl is
now having a link. The daily consumption of
Benadryl, like many people take is bad. So
I have taken Benadryl for years every night
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to fall asleep. And after you told
because now After you told I have postsynaptic
after you told me I have switched now
because that's a new finding and About the
correlation with the timers. Yeah. With Benadryl. Just
throw it out there.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Ready to go. Well, that's
that's something that I want to do. I'm
I'm gonna I'm gonna jump into a Jaguar
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and I'm gonna start driving while asleep because
that's what some of these weird nocturnal behaviors
like sleep walking and driving. Honestly, there's driving
while while asleep. Yeah. I just thought it
was Tom Dorsak out there driving around. Like,
heck, Tom, thank you very much for your
sound engineer, and he's here as always helping
us produce this show. But,
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well, anyways, I just I had a college
roommate who was a sleepwalker and he would
end up
getting into the closet and then climbing up
and getting into the loft above the closet
where you put shoes and things, crunched himself
down and wouldn't have any idea how he
got up there. I mean, major thing he'd
have to get up, how he could get
up there anyways.
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But,
that's just a weird situation. Well, there wraps
up sort of
our initiation
of sleep on the new chatting chairs. We're
gonna try to discuss this each and every
week and we are real excited about that.
Speaking of getting ready, yep, it's time to
introduce one of our favorite guests here on
the Doc and Jacques radio show. Super talented
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showman and all around nice guy, James DeBodis
is here in the KCIW studio again after
four months four months he was here. Yeah.
Just some time we brought him back. And
he's gonna share some of his backstory and
play some of his original songs and music
after that. Welcome. Know more about him. James
is, known for his incredible drumming talents, but
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our studio was too small to accommodate such
instruments. So James will be playing his guitar
in a bit. I told you he was
talented. So let's jump right in and introduce
James DeBotez, otherwise known as JD Drums to
the Doc and Jacques Show. Welcome back, James.
Welcome. Hello. Thank you for having me. Alright.
So let's remind you can remind us, please.
Where were you born and raised?
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I was born in, Lansing, Michigan, but I
was mostly raised in Portland, Oregon, which is
where I spent most of my life touring
out of there as a musician as well.
So Very cool. How did you end up
here?
I was on tour with a band called
Sweet and Juicy.
We played our show here in town at
the Oxenfree Bar, and I met my now
wife,
that night. And we stayed at our house
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because we're broke musicians and needed a place
to stay, and she was kind enough to
to put us up and then, take me
off the market as well. So Okay.
Now,
remind us, when was your wedding anniversary? It
was literally yesterday, to to your wedding anniversary.
Hey, Priscilla, if you're listening to NPR or
you could pleasure. Everybody could listen to the
show later on by going to kcw.org
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and just clicking on past shows, scrolling down
to DocuSign, and you could play it at
your leisure. So you were yeah. Yeah. How
long have you been playing?
I mean, drums most of my life. I've
been playing professionally since I was about 12
years old. That's when I started, like, recording
albums and going on the road and stuff
like that. But Cool.
Guitar, I started at 15. Bass, I started
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at 17.
Keyboards, I started playing in my twenties because
I needed
to start using more instruments for making,
I make, like, hip hop beats and and
rap beats for people. So that's a whole
separate section. And once I started getting into
production, then I learned a bunch of other
stuff too because Okay. So Never stop. Just
keep keep learning stuff. You've you've already mentioned
Oxenfree. You did, I think what's your gig?
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What do you do with Oxenfree, and how
long have you been doing it? Oh, man.
It's I think it's going close to six
months now. It it time is fun for
sure. But, yeah, we we've been running the
open mic, night over at Oxenfree every Tuesday
night.
Sign ups at 07:30
and music starts at eight every week. We
always have a great featured artist. We try
to feature as much local talent as possible.
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So if you guys wanna contact either me
at JD Drums Facebook or my partner Keith
Roberts at his Facebook,
it's always a great place. Going on, man?
Yeah, man. So so you're Oxford Free. The
hours are late, goes from eight till ten?
Ten? Pretty much. Yeah. So, like, eleven or
midnight a lot of the time, honestly. Wow.
Yeah. And it's a crew open mic? Anybody
Yeah. Anything. Like, we've had we had a
spoken word guy. We had a couple of
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comedians last night. We had,
a singer songwriter, like, acoustic guy. I didn't
bring my instruments last night because it was
my anniversary when we were celebrating. But usually,
I have electric guitar and bass and acoustic
and all the things, and we have a
great sound system.
You know? It's it's a good situation. All
set up. And the, food and atmosphere of
Oxid free is unique. Oxid Free, for those
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that don't know, is located right downtown
next to the Redwood movie theater,
in Downtown Brookings. So people come down Basically,
the same building
block that I'm on. City. People come down
from
Gold Beach or
and and beyond, and people come up here
and, hey, open mic is always a good
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venue. I look at an open mic as
what? A talent show. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Mhmm.
And a and a talent springboard too. Like,
I love giving people that are, like, kinda
new to the scene, maybe nervous and don't
know how to book or whatever. They can
come in and get more comfortable on a
stage with a live sound system and how
that whole process works, and we can try
and get them some tips. And, you know,
we give them a tab and, like, try
to give them as much as we can
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to, like, help support them in their evening
and promote for them and all that stuff.
So Proud on. Yeah. Cool. Cool. And then
you have a featured guest each week. Right?
Yeah. And it's I try to have it
somebody different every week, and I try to
have it never be myself because I don't
wanna
I'm gonna be like, hey. It's mine.
And it's not honestly, it's really not, like,
my partner Keith does, like, if if anything
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more than I do physically and I really
appreciate him. He's, like, I I wanna say,
like, I couldn't do it without him, but
I can definitely say for sure, like, I
could not do it as well,
not even close without him at this moment.
Like, he's he's been a huge help, and
we're trying to do all kinds of things
together. We're starting a new production company and
all kinds of things. So it's good to
be done. Go, Keith. Why don't you ask
the question about the difference between traditional, if
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you will? Okay. So well, so you play
the drums. You're JD drums.
What is the difference between traditional drums and
the digital drums?
I mean, over the years, it's changed.
Obviously, acoustic drums are just very loud in
general and project a lot, and electric drums
have the ability, at least nowadays, to be
completely,
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like, as loud as tapping on this table
instead of, like, a projection of sound. And
you put headphones on into where you're the
only one who can hear what's actually happening.
And it's great for recording. You don't need
microphones. And so there's tons of advantages and
disadvantages to both sides.
Obviously, if I was, like, a rich man,
I'd have a giant studio with a big
drum room and a huge live drum set
and all that stuff. But realistically, for my
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situation,
electric has been very helpful. And for the
small clubs around town, bands that I play
with and even when they come see my
solo shows, they really appreciate
not being blasted in the face Right. With,
like, these really loud cymbals and, you know,
there's all these things that happen with live
drums. Could you also adjust the
the flats or the keys or whatever that's
called? I I can yeah. It's anything digital.
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I can adjust, like, anything from the tone
to the volume to, like, how it's being
projected to the crowd. Like, I could hear
it different in my headphones than you do
in the crowd depending on how I wanna
make it work. So that's all really fun.
Yeah. But I'm also a traditionalist too. Like,
I play Right. Regular instruments, guitar and bass
and piano lessons. So, like, I use the
best of both worlds now. Which one is
more popular?
I mean, I would say, generally, like, acoustic
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drums. And even though I love my electric
drums, like, there's no replacing the feeling of
playing, like, on a really nice acoustic kit,
just full volume, like, even, like, outdoors. It
sounds, like, amazing. So I love that too,
and I will definitely be I already have
another live kit getting started now, but my
electric kit is, like, my workhorse and what
I will continue to use for most things
around town because it just makes sense. Easier
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to move. Right? It's like Not really. Actually,
that's a reason. So it's, like, it's not
a small one either. It's a very large
drum set as even if it was a
regular drum set, people would think it was
pretty big. But after setting setting
everything up like you would a normal kit
Yeah. Then I have to go to the
electronics and start plugging everything in Yeah. And
get all my levels right. I mean, this
is it's like the best or the worst
of both worlds, I guess, in that sense.
Like, you have to set up your whole
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drum kit, and then you have to hook
up all the electronics like you would with
a guitar. So it's you have to know
to do both things. Things I've noticed are
two things. Number one, you could adjust the
volume by basically just turning down I literally
have a volume switch for my track separately
and my drums and the master volume. That's
a great advantage. Yeah. You know, you're in
a smaller venue, you're in a weird room
that has weird acoustics, you could turn it
down. It's nice. The other thing I've noticed
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is that I've seen these new drum sets
that are digital drum sets, and there's it
takes up almost virtually no space because there's
no big what do you call the foot
the big foot drum. Like, they had a
lot and that's been a thing for a
while. I guess, small kick drum is what
they call it, but just, like, a little
pad that is just big enough for your
pedal to hit it Right. And, like, a
tiny little rack with, like, these thin little
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pads. And that's great for, like, compact or
for, like, if you had a tiny stage,
that'd be really great. But, like, honestly, I
can still fit mine on most stages
relatively easily, and it's infinitely better feeling to
be on a kit that feels like a
real like, with those small pads and everything,
it feels very unnatural as a drummer. Now
do you have to for this electronic ones,
do you have to put that little window
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in front of you? You know, the No.
Because there's no projection. Like I said, like,
everything is rubber and mesh and and stuff
like that. So, like, the only sound that's
coming out is actually from the speakers that
are usually in front of me. Oh. I
wear my headphones while I play as my
own monitoring system to hear self, and then
my band and the audience is hearing everything
through my sound system. Right. Now so you
have played and performed
on many venues and places. Oh, yeah. Do
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you have a local favorite?
I mean, Oxonfury always has a soft spot
in my heart because that's where I met
my wife for sure. Right? Aw.
You played the I I love,
South Beach porta pints. It's like my Yeah.
My dad favorite. You've been there several times.
I've been I've been trying to play there
at least, like, once a month, and I
think we're building a good crowd out there.
So, Russell, if you're listening to this, have
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me Russell Smithson. Yeah. Tell him about Russell.
Yeah. And James, doctor doctor John Kirk and
his wife, Cynthia. They're all James Kirk. James
Kirk. Well, they, yeah. That is a different
stage. It's a big stage.
Checo's is huge. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Totally. And
then you get Inatecheco
in in that's small.
No. Inatecheco's okay. That's a great one. But
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now I'm thinking of porta pine set first.
Oh, the the Yeah. Yeah. Really small. North
Park. Every once in a while, we play
there too with, like, Robert Tannen's group and
stuff like that. It's like school. It's like
a little more intimate and, like, we kind
of play somewhere, like, jazzy stuff to, like
That's what we love. We we we go
there because for the show where we we're
such big dancers, but we also like just
going and kicking back and being entertained. I
always think of it. It brings me back
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to the night nightclub days of San Francisco.
Totally. Gotcha. Good jazz act. Yep. You're a
supreme,
drummer. Wonderful, wonderful musician. Thank you. I really
appreciate it. Have you produced your own album,
Source City? Yes. Constantly
ever since I started recording. I mean, nothing
big at first, obviously, but, I've already finished
a a hip hop rap fusion type album
this year with a local artist.
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His name is Bobby.
I won't reveal his last name just in
case he doesn't want me to. But his
rap name is Demonize, and, we're Demonize. Yeah.
It's pretty good. It's one of our more
popular songs as well as self titled. Second
album is being done right now, and it
should be finished by August. So I wanna
have that out by my birthday in September.
Cool. Very cool. Since you were here four
months ago, you've already you're working on a
(25:26):
second album. Right? Yeah. The the one,
four months ago that we I think we
just released it or we were about to
release it. I think we had just released
it. So I was telling you about that.
And that's on SoundCloud, and and it's all
over the interwebs and stuff. So you can
look that up for sure if you just
look up demonize. Keep those pens and papers
because you're gonna find out, a lot more
information about James,
at the end of the show. So you
can write down how to get a hold
(25:47):
of him. Alright. Keep asking. Have you met
or played with any famous folks? Of course.
Yeah. You started us with us after all.
Well, besides True. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I I grew up playing
in, like, a sort of eighties style, like,
hair metal style band with a, you know,
my my mother was the lead singer, so,
like, big blonde hair, like, bombshell type. And
(26:07):
then so oh, when you were 12? Well,
all the way through when I was, like,
18 when she retired. Oh, how cute.
So it was, like, we're out there playing,
like, legitimate, like, Motley Crue esque, like, hair
metal and, like, looking, you know, leather pants,
the whole deal. And so all these eighties
bands, seventies and eighties bands were coming back
on the road at the time in the
early mid two thousands, and they're like, we're
(26:27):
gonna do reunion tours, all this stuff. And
so we would just go open for all
these different bands. Oh, absolutely. Whether it was
like an Ozzfest or a WARP tour. You
get to meet a lot. I mean, meet
ton of them for sure. But, like, actually,
like, sit and have conversations with, like, some
really like Sebastian Bach, the singer for Skid
Row for a long time. He,
one of the biggest compliments I've ever had,
and I still remember it to this day,
is he came out after an opening act
(26:48):
when they're supposed to follow us. And we're
just supposed to be some nobody opening act.
They've never heard of us. And he literally
comes back, and he's like, you're the best
drummer I've ever seen, dude. He's like, I
don't know Wow. What the hell I just
saw or what the heck I just saw.
He's like, that's absolutely ridiculous. And I was
like, you're I literally told him, like, you
can't be serious. I was like, you played
with some of the best dudes in the
eighties. Like, they were, you know, like, some
really legendary. So I was that's a huge
(27:10):
compliment, and I've I love playing with those
guys. And then when I was doing pop
punk stuff, played shows with, like, Weezer at,
like, New Jersey Music Fest and stuff like
that. Like, those big, like, collaborative festivals and
stuff like that where they're just, like, a
hundred bands at the same time. So So
if you get to really to to walk
around and meet all these people, what's the
you played, all these things as a drummer
or maybe as guitarist, which you'll be playing
(27:31):
today. What's the hardest type or genre of
music that you play? Is there a challenge
or is there certain I mean, I this
is what so it's definitely
divisive in places like this where, like, rock
and metal is not necessarily as popular. But
I'm from, you know, I'm from Portland and
I toured with, like, metal bands all throughout
the years and so, like, progressive metal specifically,
like, bands like Dream Theater and, like, even
(27:51):
a lot of newer ones that are coming
out now, it's, like, all about musicianship
pushing the boundaries of, like, what you can
personally do and then getting together with a
group of people and, like, pushing each other,
which is really fun because it's, like, there's
no limits to it at all. And I
like instrumental stuff as well because you don't
have to worry about it being, like, oh,
who's the singer? Like, who's the front man?
It's, like, it's not about some, like, pretty
boy in the front or some pretty girl
(28:12):
in the front. It's literally like, these guys
are awesome, and we don't even need vocals
because they're so good at what they're doing.
How do you promote or land the gigs
then? I mean, I I've been cold calling
for years and telling you I've booked whole
tours just by, like, finding a route that
I'd like to drive and finding places that
I that I think look cool along the
way and just calling them and be like,
hey. We're going on a tour. Do you
(28:32):
wanna book us on such and such date?
I got this window of time I can
come through town. And nine out of 10
times, they're gonna be like, I don't know
who you are.
Give you the ring around. But it's like
the first guy that says yes, I'm like,
cool. That's my new route now. Now I'm
going Oh, very cool. So it's like if
you do that for six weeks straight, like
really working hard at it and you really
plan everything out and call 20 times to
every place Yeah. Then you can make it
(28:53):
happen as an independent person, and you don't
need a booker and a agent and all
that. So that's what I do. No. You
do write your own music. Your Yeah. So
do you go after a certain trend, or
do you, b g, because you say you
wanna push yourself to the limit as a
means? Different. I mean, I'm just listening to
every genre I can get my hands on
that, like, speaks to me and then listening
to the bands that I feel have the
(29:14):
best musicians in the world Mhmm. And then
trying a, trying to learn everything that they
do. Like, on the drums, I can learn
any song as long as I have enough
time to learn it. Like, it wouldn't matter
what genre it was I feel confident in
saying. Uh-huh. On the guitar, it's completely different.
You have to know what key you're in,
what tuning it's in, like, the phrasing of
the notes and where he's even playing the
notes on the neck because you can play
(29:35):
the same note in four different spots. You
know what I mean? So Yeah. There's all
these nuances to that that are way more
difficult and intricate. So, like, I would say
it'd be much more difficult to be a
progressive metal, like, guitar player, a really good
one, than it is to me to be
a drummer because that's just naturally what I'm
better at. So Not fair to say that
would be that way for everybody, but I
feel that way. I think the drums has
got to be the hardest instrument. Well, you
(29:56):
have to have that beat. You have to
have a rhythm and then you well, you
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(31:40):
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And yours? Oh, well, thank you. I appreciate
it. Alright. Back to James,
de, de bodis.
James, are you
getting better with age as you Certainly trying.
But, yeah, I mean, I don't think I've
hit the the pinnacle yet. Luckily, I still
have some some years to put in, and
I started really young. And I do try
(32:00):
to
stretch my my brain as much as possible.
Like, mental elasticity is huge for me. I'm
constantly learning
new things and Yeah. Very good. Now when
is your next event?
Here. Let me Next Tuesday. Week. Week. Week.
Week.
Week. Week. Week. Week. Week. Week. Week. Week.
Week. Week. Week. Week. Week. Week.
I can even tell you this,
next week, we have the Chetco effect as
(32:20):
our, our featured artist. So that'll be a
a fun night. Yeah. They were also a
new group of guys. Right? Yeah. And then
I'll be out of town the following week,
on my post anniversary trip that we're doing
we're gonna go see Kaleo at Red Rocks
and spend some time over in Gomer so
that's gonna be fun but, that week the
thirteenth
on that Tuesday will be the the rapper
I was talking about demonize he's doing his
(32:40):
first May thirteenth feature yeah May 13 And
so he's gonna be suing our original music,
like, for everybody there. It won't be any
covers. It's, like, all our stuff. So that'll
be cool. But I'll be out of town
for it, unfortunately.
Go support him. Nice. Anyways, my next gig
because I've had some off weeks here. I
have Oxenfree
on May,
sixteenth
and Inoteca on May 17. Inoteca, we love
(33:03):
it. Yeah. Augustinos on May 24 and then
Groundlings Pizza on May 31. Up in Gold
Beach. Yeah. Cool. You are The busy busy
guy. Also doing Yeah. May I'm doing a
pretty pretty pretty pretty cool one. Should be
this good time of year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Do you also do private events, weddings, parties,
etcetera? Thing. We are, especially with our new
production company,
just launching,
(33:23):
hit yes for business card. It's gonna be
great. It's still in infancy as far as,
like,
you know, whatever we're gonna need. I'm sure
it's gonna be a whole process of red
tape like everything else is. But
essentially, right now, we can do whatever we
want live sound wise, recording wise,
if you need a private event, even like
a small small private karaoke where you want
to do it in, like, your backyard, like,
(33:43):
you do everything from that to, like, half
a football field if you want to do,
you know, like, something for, like, a high
school graduation or something. Yeah. That's something like
a huge party or something. That football field
of people come to my party.
I just like yeah. It's like it's a
good way to put it. Like, we can
have, like, that many people and still have
them hear everything really clearly.
Like I said, my partner Keith Roberts just
invested a lot of his own personal money
(34:05):
into it and so, you know, he's got
an awesome, like, huge outdoor JBL sound system.
We already have the sound system Right on.
Every week. Good. Oxenfree. It's gonna be a
good thing. So So I gotta meet this
Yeah. I gotta meet Keith, Roberts. I told
I told him, I was like, we should
have him on next time. He plays bass
too. He's a really good bass player. Right.
He plays bass in Antidote. Is another
new, duo group. Love to know. Love to
hear that. Love to meet him too. Alright.
Let's get into let's get we're gonna come
(34:26):
back and find out where you're gonna be,
where you see yourself later on, and how
to get a hold of you. But let's
listen to a couple of your songs right
now. What's your first song gonna be? And
these are original,
compositions, right, with backing? Yeah. They're yeah. I
just have, some some backing tracks that kind
of,
replicate some standards, I suppose, in the in
the musical world, but it's it's got my
own flavor. And then I just play some
solos over the top for y'all so that
(34:47):
you can get kind of a idea of
what what style I like. Is that a
glitter pink guitar you had there? Yeah. And
this will be probably the last time you'll
see me play it. I actually, I have
a friend of mine that is gonna purchase
it from me because I just got a
new guitar. I'll give you $20 more on
Hee
Oh, I don't know.
Yeah. But it's like Verne Monet. John, you
better start bidding. You know Verne Monet, the
(35:08):
guy's like he's he's an addict
to collecting guitars. He just I'm I'm the
same, but I rotate through them. I don't
like hanging them up and not playing them.
I like like getting new ones and having
new tones to play with. You guitarist. Alright.
What did what is your first song called?
Alright.
Un unnamed. Unnamed funk awesomeness.
It's hard to name songs that don't have,
lyrics, you know?
(35:29):
Alright. James Debodos. So here in the studio
with JD Drums, you'll find out. Alright. Let's
hear it. Unnamed.
Unnamed. Unnamed.
(40:08):
Woah.
Dang. Awesomeness. Alright. I mean, so that's a
backing track, but you're doing all the guitar
strumming or playing or picking or whatever. Here.
You should see those fingers. And you sure
going up and down the
the bar there. I mean, up and down
the neck of that thing feeling good. Wow.
So Fair enough. So very good. Where do
you see yourself in a couple of years?
(40:29):
Where does James Bose wanna be in a
couple of years? Any big I mean, as
long as I'm with my wife and playing
music and doing my thing. I mean, preferably
just not working a regular day job and
just playing music to afford a comfortable life
is, like, the main goal. And then everything
else past that is, like, you're blessed, you
know? So Yeah. What do what do musicians
(40:49):
generally get paid? I mean, for just doing
Not enough? Not enough. Yeah. No. I mean,
and and we But it's not it's no
fault of any but, like, it's just they
pay you what, like, they can generally afford
to pay you. And in any given town,
you'll get what that town can afford to
give you usually. Like, sometimes there's an outstanding
bar that, like, tends to do better business
wise, so they can afford to get better.
(41:10):
Would be would be good, like, $2.50 and
upwards. Yeah. It depends, like, are you a
single musician? Like, if you're a solo artist
Yeah. Then you can make a lot more
money. You get a lot more money. You
get a lot more. Right. Which is why
everybody's kinda branching out and doing their own
thing now. It's, like, kind of it's fortunate
and unfortunate because it's giving single artists a
spotlight to shine. But then, like, real bands
are, like, if I have a six piece
band, what where am I supposed to go
to? The Robert Tiernan and Friends for example.
(41:31):
We literally just accepted that we're doing that
for fun. Like, we make we'll make, like,
$50 a piece. Yeah. And and it's like,
it's not it's not a jab. Like, it's
not they're they're paying the band, like, $350
or something like that. It's a it sounds
like a good amount of money, but if
you have seven people. Right. Right. So and,
like, it's not like we're getting $500 in
tips either. So it's you can have good
nights and bad nights and that's totally fine.
We all accept that's part of it. But,
(41:52):
like, if you're a touring musician, you probably
make a little bit more because you're on
the road. They know you have mouths to
feed or whatever. Like, maybe you don't have
to spend any money on anything because you
get a free meal every place you go
and And a free meal or free You
get friends everywhere to let us stay at
their places and stuff so we don't have
to spend a lot of money. Any money
with selling CDs or Spotify or
No. Not like well, CDs for sure not
(42:12):
because I'm not even making them at the
moment. I'm doing everything digitally at the moment.
And so
the streaming revenue that you would need or,
like, the streaming amount of views rather that
you would need to get revenue from it
now is in the millions, like Wow. To
get anything worth even shaking a stick at.
It's not like if you get a hundred
thousand views, like, you get a hundred thousand
dollars. Like, this is not how it works.
Right. I think you get, like Wow. A
(42:33):
point $0.00 1¢ on every play that you
get. So if you get 10,000,000,000 plays, then
you'll have
$10,000,000
after 10,000,000,000 play like, that's that's that's not
a good market. Nobody has 10,000,000,000. I mean
Like, there's, like, three artists that have that
anywhere on any platform. You know what I
mean? What's her name? The one that's saying,
that pretty It's unfortunately not who you think.
(42:54):
Alina Adair. We all wanna think it's like
the peep yeah. Even even her. She's probably,
like, number, like, 26. It's it's like, the
people that deserve to be on the top
of that list are, like, almost never on
the top, which is totally fine. I'm not
expecting to be top 40. That's not my
goal in life. I would much rather be
a successful independent artist who is able to
do all of the things that most people
pay other people to do just all by
(43:14):
myself so I don't have to pay them.
We enjoy watching you because you've you seem
you're you're having a good time up there.
Right. I'll play your drums and you're having
all this background
tracks. Alright. Well, that's I have a guitar
right now. What's your next day? Playing guitar
now. That's right. This is not even what
he's known for. Right. Yeah. Secondary instrument. Yeah.
So what about some drums. What about the
next, song? What's this one is, inspired by
(43:35):
an artist that I really love. His name
is Guthrie Govan. He's like
I I wanna say he's, like, the best
technical, like, jazz fusion guitar player in the
world, but let's let's just say he's one
of the best guitar players in the world.
And if you see him play, you'll understand
why I'm saying that. But this is a
simple like, he has these beautiful,
simple, jazzy
backing tracks, and then the stuff he does
on guitar is, like, you know, makes puts
me to shame. So it's inspired by him,
(43:56):
but in no way am I gonna play
his guitar. Alright. James DeBodos here with another
original piece. And do this change every time
you play them? Are they a little bit
different, Yeah. I I definitely I'm I'm fully
improvising as far as what I'm playing, and
then I guess I play them enough over
time that some flows end up happening. But,
yeah, for the most part, I'm just kinda
giving you what I naturally do. Unnamed song
number two, Jane of the Bonus. Here we
(44:17):
go. KCAW.
(48:06):
Woah.
Dang.
Now I see a spray bottle. It looks
like it looks no. It looks like a,
miniature
hairspray can, and it says FingerEase
on it. What is that? FingerEase.
Your free advertisement for the day.
When your strings are getting a little old,
but you like the feel of them and
you don't wanna change them, use Finger Ease.
(48:27):
You mean you spray it on the It's
a lubricant for your strings. It keeps them
Otherwise,
it kinda wipes off the gunk from you
know, you get little hunks of skin and
all that gray in the room. And then
I have this little, like Eye gunk. Rubber
bar thing that, like, kinda
gets the dirt off of it and then
a microfiber cloth inside of that that helps,
like, fully Thought it was something you spray
in your fingers, like, glue or so just
(48:49):
to be honest with it. It helps you,
like, glide across the notes instead of because
you can get hung up sometimes and different
stuff. So I just try to keep my
stuff as smooth as possible. Alright. We have
time for one more, give it make it
about a four minute shot here, and then
we'll finish up with your giving you information
about how people get ahold of you. And
then we will go into our last few
minutes with the fun time. Fun corner.
(49:09):
Those people that only listen to the jokes,
unquote. Darn it. Still hoping.
Alright. James, the bonus. Here he is. Finally,
gotta listen to me play before they get
to the jokes.
That was
cool.
(53:30):
And he fades out. Alright. Very
cool. Cool.
Excellent. Here in the KCIW
studio,
playing his hard out with a guitar, his
pink guitar. It's an Ibanez. Later. I Ibanez.
I don't know how you pronounce it.
Very,
very cool. Doc asked him the last few
questions, and that is
Alright.
(53:50):
Now how do people get ahold of you?
How do I make a difference? Me there.
Facebook's always good. JD Drums,
fairly certain I'm the only one. Certainly, the
only one in in Brookings.
And then, phone number is always good. (541)
254-1944.
Say it again. One more time. (541)
254-1944.
(54:12):
Alright.
And then So how about I'm still hearing
music, and I'm hearing the I ground Nice.
Yeah. Back plate. There we go. Alright. Got
it. Hey.
We're we were we were long fading. We're
not long.
And then, for my partner, Keith Roberts, we
got,
robertskeith61@gmail.com
for email. And for the phone number, it
is (310)
678-5785.
(54:34):
1 more time. It is Phone number? 310678
sorry. 678-5785.
And that's to Keith. And then it's Keith
Roberts. Call either of us anytime if you
need anything sound related, live shows,
birthday parties. I don't care. This is And
we can also go find you at, Tuesday
nights at open mic at every week, Oxford
Street in Brookings.
(54:55):
And you're going down into Crescent City and
playing at the,
Porta Pines. Hey. I just wanted to say,
I don't think I recognized,
Chetco Medical,
an aesthetic center as being one of our
major sponsors. I think for some reason, that
was that love Oh, well.
There it is. Now you've never done it.
Yeah. Now I've done it. Okay. James Debodis,
thank you so much for coming in, man.
(55:16):
You're always welcome here. Next time, come with,
Keith and have him play a little back,
back in,
some bass. Yeah? Yeah. That would be great.
Have a great and good jam together. Thank
you for coming, Boris. Awesome too. Alright. Thanks,
guys. Thank you for asking me. Peace and
love. Thank you. Alright. What do we have
next, doc? We have fun time corner.
Oh, boy. Like I said, some people only
(55:37):
listen to the show just for the past
last three minutes. That's what they tell me.
My great jokes, though. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhmm.
Okay. Give us a give us a quote,
darling. Okay. Yeah. You got me good quotes
today. You you chose the quote. Yeah. It
shows I like to do the first one,
though. No. No. I do. Because it says
man. Okay. Go ahead.
Early to rise, early to bed makes a
man healthy,
(55:57):
wealthy,
and dead.
James Thurber.
Okay. Alright. Give us another good quote there.
No wonder Sleeping Beauty looked so good. She
took long naps, never got old,
and didn't have to do anything but kiss
a frog to get her prince charming. Yeah.
I mean, so we're talking of course, the
theme on these things Yeah. Alright. Is dreaming
(56:19):
and sleeping. But what dinosaur makes the most
noise when it is asleep? What?
A Tyrannosaurus.
Okay. My quad's bad up in your joke.
Okay. Give us a good joke. Alright. I
already said taller people sleep
longer in bed. Right? Yeah. Mhmm. Okay. I'm
so good at sleeping, I can do it
(56:41):
with my eyes closed. It's a cute one.
Alright. Give us a mother. Sleep is like
a cat. It only comes to you if
you ignore it. I like that one. Alright.
Give us another one. I like the insomnia.
Okay. Then you tell it because I don't
get it. Alright. Oh, don't do it. Just
go to the next one. Some people can't
sleep.
I thought you wanted to think the insomnia
(57:01):
was great. I don't like it anymore because
you like I only like what you like.
Okay. Some people can't sleep because they have
insomnia.
I can't sleep because I have the Internet.
Very true. Right? But I can't sleep because
I have you in my life. I love
you so much. Yeah. That's true. You're my
dream. You're my dream bro. Hey. What do
you call a sleeping cow, James?
(57:22):
Ground beef. A bulldozer.
It's on the ground. I don't know. Bulldozing.
Ah.
Ground dozing. Okay.
I just bought a sleeping bag for $30
Yeah. But I have no idea how to
wake it up.
Oh, it's so cute. I like that one.
I think
I'm on a good side though.
(57:42):
Without enough sleep, we all become tall two
year olds.
Without enough sleep, we all become tall two
year olds. Turtle tantrums being Yes. What do
you call a nose
with no body?
And what? Nobody nose.
Okay.
I can't get it. I can't get it.
No body. No. I think I think the
(58:03):
dumbbells act practice smiling the engineering booth. A
good laugh and a long sleep are the
best cures in the doctor's book.
Apparently, at least it's an Irish proverb. Yeah.
And a good laugh and a long sleep
are the best cures in the doctor's book.
Same one.
Oh. Oh, wait. You have that as a
joke? Sort of.
I can,
(58:24):
there was a kidnapping at school today. And?
It's okay,
though. He woke up.
A kidnapping.
There was a kidnapping at school then. It's
okay, though. He woke up. Nice. Oh my
goodness. Happiness consists of getting enough sleep. Just
that. Nothing more.
Wow. Cool. Okay. Okay. The best bridge between
(58:44):
despair and hope is is a good night's
sleep.
This is very true. Yes. I think we
are on the end of our exit here.
We are. We had a great talk here.
It was very good. James Tabotis. Yep. You
have been listening to the Doc and Jock
Radio Variety Show with James Tabotis
on the helm with
us. It's on KCRW
(59:05):
one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon.
We hope you have the enjoyed the show
as much as we have. Yep. And it'll
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on this show at docandjeanque@gmail.com.
Now, stay tuned for Tony Durso right now
after this program. Peace and love, everybody. Thank
you. Goodbye. Thanks, James. Thank you, guys.
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