Doc & Jacques: Wired and Inspired

In this episode of the Doc & Jacques radio variety show, Dr. GiGi and Jacques speak with Ozy Pops, who shares his journey with body piercings, discussing their spiritual significance and connection to chakras, as well as his path to overcoming drug addiction through persistence and twelve-step programs. They also talk with Aaron Wickham about […]

Episode Transcript

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Welcome, everyone. Welcome. Welcome.
You have now entered the cosmic radio receptors
of KCIW
one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon.
Thank you for tuning into this week's fantastic
program. I'm doctor Gigi, and my cohost is,
again, as always, Jacques Kepner. How are you,
Jacques Hippo? Hey, doctor. Greetings, everyone, and welcome

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to the Doc and Jacques Radio Variety Show.
Special thanks to sound engineer Tom Bozek who's
in there behind the scenes, happen making this
happen, and Len is out there in the
front listening to the show. Thank you for
that. You're hearing this live syndicated show on
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syndicated show will be rebroadcast on exactly one
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8AM

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on KZZH
in Eureka. And then a few hours later
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KFG in Preston City, California. So now you
know we have your coasts covered.
Okay. What medical marvels and good medicine and
health notes does my German multilingual
medical doctor and patent holding scientist, university professor

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have for us today on this week's segment
of MDGG.
Well, thank you. You're welcome. We are gonna
be talking about
the placebo
effect. The placebo.
The placebo.
Mhmm. I can. Can you?
But the placebo effect gives us information about

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the brain
body connection
by showing how
a patient's belief
or expectations
or and the surrounding treatment
context
can trigger real physiological
and psychological changes
leading and effectively to symptom improvement. Wow. Wow.

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Wow. Doctor Gigi told me this morning that
she had some very bad news.
As she handed me a bottle and said,
you gotta take one pill a day for
the rest of your life. I looked at
it and exclaimed, hey, this bottle only has
three pills in it. Yep. She said, I
told you, it's bad news.
I think that's fine. I think Yeah. That

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one is a good one. That's a good
breaker. Okay. Back to the placebo effect. Yes.
Let's do it. The placebo effect highlights oh,
so maybe you'd would be dying high in
three days after that. The placebo effect
highlights how powerful the mind is in influencing
health outcomes Absolutely. Three days involving
neurobiological
mechanisms like
neurotransmitters,

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which are chemicals from one nerve cell to
another.
They get released and change
the activity in the brain and can also
reveal the impact of social factors,
social conditioning,
and the physician patient relationship in a person's
health and wellness. If a doctor says you're
well and gives you a pill and said
this will make you better, people are they're

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gonna believe it. And it shows scientific shows
that those things work. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, do
you know, why I think medicine like Ozempic
Doctor is so good at helping you lose
weight? Why? How? Because it's so expensive, you
drain your bank account and then you can't
afford to buy any food. Well because it's
$2,500,
right, I think, per child. Somewhere. It's it's
No. I don't mean it's too expensive. Right?

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Okay. 2,300.
Back to placebo in more detail,
those were big words. So let's do smaller
words. The placebo effect demonstrates that the mind
can directly influence the body's
physical state.
Oh. This is
this is called the brain body connection. Yeah.
So expectation of improvement can activate specific brain

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regions
and trigger the release of feel good neurotransmitters,
like the endorphins we all heard of and
dopamine,
which then can lead to actual pain relief
and
or reduction in whatever symptoms we're talking about.
Well, it works. I mean, they scientifically show
these things work. You know, I used to
take multivitamins, doc, but now I take them

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alphabetically.
I don't even get that. I don't
know why it has anything to do with
the placebo effect, but we'll just keep going.
Oh, okay. So it has shown that positive
expectations about the treatment can generate a therapeutic
True. True. True. Benefit. Even if the treatment
itself is inert. What do you mean inert?

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It doesn't work. Yep. There's nothing there. Sugar
pill. This, of course, highlights the powerful role
of beliefs in shaping the perceptions of pain,
mood, and overall health. It doesn't diminish
our the power in believing it accentuates
it. I see. Well, I started out, what?
Smoking marijuana, that's led into drinking and then
taking some pills. But when it came to

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cocaine, I had to draw the line on
that one.
Understanding the underlying mechanisms of the placebo effect
can help
providers
harness these benefits
to improve patient care of course. Right there.
Can you lie to your patients? Can you
say, hey, this pill is give them a

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sugar pill and say, this pill is gonna
make you better. It's gonna cure you. You
can't do that, can you? No. You well,
no. You cannot really do that. But I'll
tell you an example of what when placebo
is used.
Okay. And, you know, you see those little
reels actually on Facebook or wherever that they
give a little kid a straw through something
that they think is juice, but then he's

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sipping up the, the medication.
And so that's how he eats the medication
or she. So that's the placebo. Or feeding
a dog
a pill pushed into a piece of fabric.
Exactly. Yeah. Well, sort of. Yeah. Okay. That's
that's a So other examples real examples of
placebo
include a sugar pill or a saline injections.
You could saline,

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fluid injections instead of steroid or whatever.
So these are inactive substances.
So for example,
if a medication
is being
tested if it is a good antidepressant,
they set up obviously, it's not a harmful
medication. They set up trials. And so people
who Right. Take the trial know that this

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might be a real one or a sugar
pill. Right. That's how they they tell them.
This could be a sugar pill. This could
be real. So that one is supposed to
kind
of make the placebo effect go away.
So that one is and that's how they,
see if some if if a medication is
a good antidepressant or if it's a good
pain medication. And that's how they have also

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seen how strong the placebo effect is. And
in a double blinded study, that's really how
the real research is done. Not even the
providers know what kind of medication they get.
They do know
it is
not a medication that you can buy, over
the counter or even,
in in the you know, you can't have
a prescription. It is something in trial. They

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know that. You don't know which red or
the blue pill? What were were they taking
the metrics? Was it the red pill or
the Blue pill? The green pill? Yeah.
I have one more thing. Yeah. Please do.
So there is the placebo, but also there's
the no placebo. That's right. I remember talking
about this before. Right. The nocebo.
The
nocebo is no positive. So the placebo has

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opposite
the the placebo is to feel good. The
nocebo is to feel bad. So a lot
of people, I
should
say, look up adverse effects and,
quite a few people think they have all
and every adverse effect just because they read
about it. So I try to stay away

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from the adverse effects. And if you do
have the adverse effects, you're gonna have them.
You're gonna say, hey. All of a sudden,
I have, you know, diarrhea. Well, you're metformin.
Okay. Yeah. That is a very high likelihood
that this is an adverse effect. But some
people really get a headache or other
one of those ailments. Effects. Well, those fight
out and ailments that list of both side
effects. Yeah.

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Wow. Wow. Okay. Well, thanks for that dissertation
on the placebo and nocebo
effect. I know you recently gave me some
sugar pills. I thought that was a sweet
deal, doc. Thank you very much.
You are my daily you are my daily
pill of joy, my dear doctor Gigi. Thank
goodness I'm addicted to you. In fact, I'm
not addicted. I'm just very committed.
Okay.

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Thank you again, doc.
Alright. Good afternoon once again. There are many
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about the way our coastline changes with each
passing season, the way the morning fog rolls
in and the direction the Pacific wind blows

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or how
Well, we've noticed this recently, how the setting
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Folks, whether you realize it or not, these
are patterns that paint in the canvas of
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In many ways, this show now close to
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Thank you very much. It has become Over

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two years? Okay. Like two years. It's become
like our coastline. It's familiar and fun, but
hopefully always discovering new depths, new reflections, and
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So we're embarking on this show, an exciting
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Each week now, we'll be opening our doors
a little bit wider, often by inviting multiple
guests like we have today into this community

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hour that we share together. We're blessed that
we have so many remarkable individuals walk amongst
us, creating beauty and fostering community and, well,
excelling in ways that might be lost if
we didn't take the time to pause
and let this light
in the studio shine on them. Right. Yep.
Now these friends might be We we've had

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them all here, right? We've had artisans, musicians,
travelers, dreamers, teachers, writers, business folks,
or really anyone who has had a positive
impact on our society.
There is no low bar. There is no
high bar. There is just the bar
of connectivity.
And regardless
of the pathways and their descriptions, Doctor. Gigi

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and I are always seeking out these these
true characters. And I'll I'll put that in
principle. True characters who make our town and
our region so vibrant and alive.
These visitors, like today's in the studio and
on the syndicated radio broadcast tend to be
the heartbeat of our community, and their stories
deserve to be heard. From Coastal NorCal up

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through Southern Oregon, we're connected by more than
geography.
We're connected
by the joy and levity
that these unique and talented people bring to
this place that we call home. So come
on. Join us on this journey. Hop aboard
the people party train. People party. Yeah. There
you go. And let's all commune in a
festive and fun manner yahoo. Right?

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So as promised, on today's episode of the
Doc and Jacques Radio Friday Show, we have
two very interesting men that give us pause
to tell their tales with objectivity
and let the good times
and deep emotional thoughts
roll. Are you ready? Yeah. Yeah. Let's have
some fun by first introducing a fairly new
friend of ours and a very popular man

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around town, and his name is Ozz. Ozzy.
O z y, he told me. No two
z's. It's o z y. Well, o z
z was already taken.
So,
good to be here. There you go. Right
on, Ozzy. Part of the community Right on.
For sure. You've been around town for the
past, what, four years? Yeah. And, your presence,

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is known all around as your connection with
the Wild Rivers Film Festival. Right? Yep. You've
got that. But Ozzy Appreciate that. Yeah. You
got it, man, because you're a big part
of that. Ozzy does so much more and
has some very interesting stories to tell, to
say the very least. And so we're gonna
kick start the show right now by talking
to him. As we just announced, welcome, Ozzy,
to the Doctor. Nijanka Radio Variety Show. Oh,

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it's so good to be here.
Hey, Curry County and the the greater
the greater world. And Tell Norrie County. Whatever
people or dogs or horses are listening to
us blather on today, on Wednesday. Alright. Alright.
Did you leave off the question, geez. Where
were you born and raised?
I grew up in the suburbs of Seattle.

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Mhmm.
Snohomish, Washington.
Oh, so Homish. Yep. Okay. Right next to
That's a city. Right next to Everett. Yep.
That's right. So Homish?
Snowhomish. Oh, Snowhomish.
Okay. Oh, it sucks. And then when did
you move down here? Smack dab in in
between Boeing and Microsoft. Woah. So Oh, cool.
K. So why did you why did you

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move away from Boeing and Microsoft?
I I needed to change the scenery. Okay.
The the family wanted me to come help
take care of the property here and support
my mom. So you have family here? Yep.
Family here? Yep. My my mom's the only
person,
my only family my only bio family
here, anyway. And it's still in in, what,

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NorCal or, Crescent City or Brookings or we
live in we live in Harbor. Okay. Cool.
Yeah. Alright. Very cool. And you have five
acres, you said?
No. No. We we we live in a
cul de sac.
I I'm sure I'm sure my neighbors would
love if we had five acres. So there
was much more distance between between My Loud

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Music and their ears. Oh, I get it.
That's not the case. So we met you
with the Wild Rivers Film Festival. Tell us
a little bit about your work there with
them.
Oh, it it's so great.
I I got in on the first year.
I met,
I met Sue Wright at one of the
one of the festivals down at the harbor.
You know, they they we had a booth.

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Mhmm. It wasn't we then. They they had
they had a booth, and they were looking
for volunteers.
And, you know, over the course of a
it's three years now. Right? Over the course
of a month or two,
I I kept showing my interest in being
involved in the film festival. Yeah. And so,
I I did.
And our our greater goal

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is, we we have a youth program here
in town that we do at the July,
for children 12 to 18,
showing them every aspect of making a film,
whether it be a commercial,
a short, or an entire feature length thing.
Well You know, real real industry stuff, the
the way you would make any type of,

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professional movie. So this was new this year?
No. Last year was our first youth program
Uh-huh. And it was for a week, one
week. And this year, we did, two whole
weeks with the kids. Now when you say
kids were coming from the high school Yeah.
What do you do? Walk. 12 to 18.
I'm I'm not exactly sure how Okay. How

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we've we've found these kids. Are you always
needing more kids? Is this gonna continue? This
is pretty soon. Definitely be doing it again
next year.
Some some of the young people have,
it was their second year. Mhmm. And so
they, you know, knew the ropes a little
better and were able to,
you know, be be leaders for for the
the newcomers.

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And,
eventually, we would really like to expand into
having a a week or two seminar for
the children of all ages. Right on. You
know, right now, we're just have a we
just have a youth program.
But
in a few years, we would like to
also provide a workshop for
a person of any age to come And

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it always happens, the WRFF Expand their passion
or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. The WRFF
always happens in Third Late Third week on
August. Third week in August. Yep. Bingo. And
it goes for a week. Now I know
that Dan Springen has been on the show
multiple times. He was
the the the executive leader, right, of this,
has been the past three years? Correct. We,

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during COVID,
we we made I'm gonna say we. I
wasn't a part of it then. But during
COVID, we made a Nutcracker film. Sue Wright
and and fellow people Yeah. Made a Nutcracker
film. And the person who
shot the movie
inserted into a film festival
in

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Orlando,
and we we won
we won accolades the very first film festival
we went to. Wow. And that's how that's
how Dan Springen got on board. You dissolve
that and then Yeah. His focus. Or, you
know, Sue
Sue Sue went down there to Orlando and
met Dan. Wow. And
she had she had had this vision about

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getting the film festival going here,
and that that's the origin story. Wow. Very
cool. Cool. So it's here to stay. We
we are hoping.
Oh, yeah. Definitely here to stay. And you're
here you're here to stay with the Wild
Rivers Film Festival as well. Right? Definitely.
I if I was to go, if I
was to go visit some other place, I

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I would still come back
for the film festival. I'm I'm very committed.
Is it growing? It has grown the past
three years. Right? This year was fabulous. We've
been getting we've been getting a little better
each year. You know, the the first year
was the same year as the wildfires.
So the Oh my gosh. The road to
Grants Pass was closed down. You know, we
still have people show up. Right.

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So the first year was very
not very well attended because, you know, peep
people that would have normally just been hanging
out after COVID, and now the the fires
the raging fires come. Yeah. We're getting it
figured out. This year, we had,
several people that came to visit us from
New York.
One of one of the films that was
in our festival,

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was made by a woman named Eve
Eve Atten
Attenberg.
Eve Attenberg. And,
she studied at Julliard.
And Oh, that one about the The the
film was about, her
her interviewing
the three women that were were the lifeblood
of Julliard for, like, fifty years. Wow. It's
very, very inspirational thing to see. What did

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you like about this year's festival that made
it truly remarkable for you? Any single thing
or multiple things that happened that you really
liked? Definitely.
You know,
the I really like seeing the young people,
really getting involved and,
promoting the thing as as their event. You
know, the Yeah. The first day of the

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thing, I was I was,
being a leader for the kiddos and, you
know, kind of figuring out how we were
how we were doing our stand in front
of the Redwood Theater. But by the very
next day,
the the young people were were running the
stand, and I was just checking back in
with them every hour. Right on. They're pretty
sharp for the kids. Right? They're pretty darn

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Super smart. Yeah. They've they've had the Internet
ever since they ever since they were born.
So, like, they're they're geniuses and they're only
13.
You're back in next year for sure. Right?
Oh, absolutely. As volunteer.
Folks, WRFF is always looking for volunteers, people
to to help the show run and,
go on. And all these people are, are

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are are integral part of it. Definitely. The
volunteers. Thank you so much, Josh. Donations. Yep.
It's a year long thing. We're we're a
nonprofit.
We're we're trying to to make this thing
roll roll in perpetuity.
Right on. Yep. Alright. We're gonna switch out
of WRFF.
Announce here some more unusual stories about you.
We try to highlight unusual stories here, but

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people have people in our midst, and you
have some very interesting stories. For instance, tell
about,
your history of body piercings. Everybody knows you.
You have the you have the what do
they call it in your ear? Ear stud.
Yeah. I got I got gauges. Gauges. Gauges.
Gauges. Gauges. Gauges. Gauges. Gauges. Gauges. Gauges. Gauges.
Gauges. Gauges. Gauges. Gauges. Gauges. Gauges. Gauges. Gauges.
Gauges. Gauges. Gauges. Gauges. Gauges. Gauging. Gauging.
Defining plugs. Yeah. Yeah
So we see you with that, but you're

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you're It's the only piercing I still wear.
You know, I I used to have facial
piercings and They do? I never I never
gave up on my my ear ones. Do
they kinda close-up after a while here? They
do. Yeah. I mean, if you if you
wanna get them bigger, you have to wear
them all the time. And, I I take
them out when I sleep because it,
it's annoying and Yes. And it actually messes

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with your,
your alignment of your spine if you're.
It's like it'd be like laying off it's
like laying on a rock if you're Interesting.
You know, on on your neck. Okay. But
what about your when you were a younger
man, you got into body piercings in a
very serious way. You went to San Francisco,
in fact, for a couple of weeks, two
separate times and did what in San Francisco?
And what

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did you attend? What kind of classes did
you attend? Oh, yeah. Definitely. It's called,
it's the oldest and most premier body piercing
school on the West Coast. It's called Fikir
Musafar
Intensives.
Fakir? Like, Yogi or those guys? Yeah. That's
what the word Fakir means. Fakir. Fakir.

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Okay. And,
so the it's named after a specific person
who who really,
he started the very first body piercing,
shop
in San on the entire West Coast Okay.
In the late in the late seventies. And
Woah. It it went from,
it went from him having the very first

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shop into, you know, in in the the
nineties, they turned it into an actual school.
So the body piercings were not just to
beautify. They had another purpose, didn't they? Well,
yeah. That's true. I mean,
it depends on, your outlook. You know, to
some people, it's just a a thing to
adorn your face or whatever part of your

(21:20):
body, but there's a there's a spiritual aspect
to it too. And that's that that was
beginning. Right? In, like, the the the first
body piercings when it will release chi or
some Sure. All all of the all of
the piercings all over the body are
related to different chakras. Yeah. So you're and,
you know, you're either opening them up or

(21:42):
Right.
Or putting a protection
on them. Right. So, like, the,
septum piercing Acupuncture is is similar to Exactly.
Septum piercing, you know, the the middle of
your nose has become very popular in the
like, ten ten, fifteen years with the young
people. And
the the septum piercing is related to your

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crown chakra, the top of your head. So
it it's that's about, like, o opening your
opening yourself up to spirituality
and But why? Universe and crap. Tell us
about the the chest the chest piercings and
attaching them to cords. And then
when when I went back to when I
went to San Francisco the second time for

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advanced advanced training, the end of
the the end of the week long intensive,
we did,
if you wanted to be if you wanted
to be involved,
everybody got their their chest pierced,
which is,
you know, some people you've heard of what
a of a suspension.
I I I know I've never done an

(22:44):
actual suspension, but I I had my chest
pierced. And, you know, we
me and some of the other
people people at the school in days. Yeah.
We did what's called an energy pull. You
you pull against each other Oh. From your
from these from these hooks in your chest.
So there they are that too? They are
big hooks that you beat your chest. They,

(23:05):
you know, they use hollow needles to do
the actual piercing, but then they they insert
actual hooks.
And With with the with the cord and
a camera being around. Do actually people are
suspended from these hooks, like, from the ceiling?
Yeah. That's the thing you can do with
it. I I haven't done that.
So go behind a muscle? How come you're
not well, how come they don't rip? Skin.
It's not it's They don't rip?

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Oh, man. Well, I mean, that's what I
would think. Vision, like that.
If you did it long enough, it could
potentially it could potentially rip out. So is
that does it make you feel good or
does it is it an overcoming fear thing
or what is that for? Well, there yeah.
There's a huge amount of endorphins involved Oh,
I see. With doing something like that. Okay.

(23:48):
And same with you said, Gigi, about what?
These guys sit on nails? Beds of nails?
Fakirs. Yeah. I mean, they're they're sitting do
you have nails bent and they walk over
it or they lay on it? I mean,
the all the cartoons with the fuckir con
cartoons there. The Yeah. No. You guys do
that? Like No. No. You just All all
different through. All different manner of,

(24:09):
of mind mind over matter Yeah. And that's
what it is. Body stuff. Exactly. I like
that the beginning of the show was about,
placebo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. Now we're
talking about how you can use your mind
to do, incredible feats. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of
feet, you walked on fire?
I did. Yeah? That tells me. You walked

(24:30):
on hot coals. I walked on hot coals
when I when I was younger. My my
baby mom got so in was so interested
in it after we did it that she
went to get trained
to facilitate,
facilitate groups to show other people how to
do it. But her her dad was a
firefighter. So, you know, like, it it it's

(24:50):
it it it made it made it made
total sense. Oh, yeah. The the rebel child,
you know, like Walking on hold.
Told me this is impossible, but I'm gonna
do it. And so there So you need
to go from hotter to hot to hot,
and then you have, like, the big blade.
No. You you've you've,
you've Oh, no. I see that. You burn
a huge you burn a huge fire, and

(25:12):
eventually,
the the fire burns down in the coals,
and then you rake them out.
And
You can and you walk across them. And
then in the eye Mind over matter. Mind
over matter. Woah. Like placebo effect. Right? I
mean, it is You don't like if you're
doing it right and you
you you don't get burned. Yes. Yes. You

(25:33):
are you are risking.
You are risking But you just have to
go fast. Right. Alright. We have we have
a few minutes left. The best of the
better. We have a few minutes left to
talk with Ozzy here, and I wanna ask
you another thing. You have been made a
better man.
You went through an ordeal when you were
younger. Tell us a little bit about that
and how, what came out of that, if

(25:53):
you wish. I no problem.
I don't really I don't talk about it
much anymore because,
if you tell someone right away
Yeah. That you used to be a huge
drug addict, that that's that colors their perception
of you. Sure. Right? So I usually just
keep it to myself now.
But, you know, part of part of And

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now it's on the radio. Oh, wow. Yeah.
Not whatever. Tell my story. But you you
I ran into Jacques last week, and it's
it was so fortuitous
that I am like and then he asked
me if I'd be on this show, and
I'm like, just
just don't hold back. Just go for it,
man. Right. Whatever. You are the guy that
yeah. You got the monkey off your back.
You successfully

(26:35):
did what so many people failed to do.
And then are trying it. And I'm like,
the
you have to never give up,
like, literally. If you, you know, if it's
your if it's your fourth time to rehab,
if it's your fifth time to rehab,
you just gotta keep doing it. So it's
that At at some point, it will click,

(26:56):
and Yeah. You will
you will get better. But you you just
have to never ever give up. How old
are you now?
I just turned 42 in September. Cool. Oh,
happy birthday. Thank you. So,
was it the rehab that you just the
repetition of going to the rehab, or was
there anything else? Learning.
All the things. I mean, I I went

(27:17):
to rehab a couple times.
I got
in in in the Northwest, if you get,
if you get any drug or alcohol related
charges Mhmm. You you get court ordered to
go to,
twelve step meetings Yeah. You know, whatever. So
you Good old day ahead. The twelve step
meetings have shown to be the best way,

(27:39):
really, in any twelfth of it. Somehow it's
free own. Yeah. You know, I'm not I'm
not promoting this thing
that AA is not about promotion. But right
now,
it's not the only way for something to
work for people, but it they have plenty
of good stuff to say. Great people. Yep.
I mean, full of full of, recitated

(27:59):
souls that have got a hold of their
addiction and have turned their lives completely around.
And for everybody that's saved through AA,
there are 10,000 that don't that just Sure.
Slowly slowly burn out. Yeah. And we we
all have this story, you know. We all
have a family member or a friend that
Right. That didn't make it or is is
still running around out there. So it's it's

(28:21):
a story that we all have in our
life and we gotta talk about it, like,
you know. Right on. Wow. Wow. Wow. Where
do you see yourself in two years, Ozzy?
Oh, man. I hope I'm in Thailand
for Really? Yeah. Have you been there before?
In the winter. No. I haven't I haven't
been. You know? I I hope that my
current job is I I hope I prove
myself well enough that I can, like,

(28:43):
leave for a month in January.
Yeah. You're you're chefing and I still have
a job when I come home. You're chefing
and bartending where? One zero one here in
Brookings? Yep. The the World Headquarters one zero
one bar. Right. I I cook on the
weekends and then,
Monday night is my night to bartend.
Cool. Very cool. Yep. Wow. Wow. Wow. Okay.
And we we have upgrade we are we
have upgraded the bar significantly. I've heard good

(29:05):
things. If you haven't seen it, come check
it out. I've heard good things about it.
And again, the series is rich in restaurants
and our whole region is. So good for
you. Really interesting talking to you, man. I
mean, I knew there was there was something,
more substantive than our just small talk that
we were dealing with last week. But, man,
thank you for coming, man. Thank you for
coming in. Oh, thank you so much for
having me. It it was so

(29:28):
it was so crazy
meeting up with you and then I'm on
your show. Right on. Exactly. There it is.
I had I had I had taken a
week off of drinking, and then the the
You saw me. I I I stopped the
day before. I broke my fast, and then
I I stopped at Allstar, and I saw
it. I saw it. I saw it. Don't
tell her. No. It's okay.

(29:49):
Every minute All Star, and I invited you
down. Jack is a drunk. I don't know
if everyone knows.
Alright. Well, time flies when we're having fun.
Thanks again, Ozzy. You're welcome. It's already that
mid break time here on the Doc and
Jacques Live Radio Show, proudly broadcast from the
KCAW one hundred point seven FM studios in
lovely coastal, Brookings, Oregon. A list of major
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(30:10):
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(30:31):
is,
is a active physician, and lastly, my dear
cohost, the one I was just referring to,
doctor Gigi Reed, and yours truly, Jacques Kapena,
on behalf of KCIW.
Thanks to all of you. Alright. As promised,
the second guest on today's Doc and Jacques
Radio Variety Show is a man who has
many years selling cell phones and cellular service

(30:53):
to all of us who live here along
the coast.
I wanted to talk with this guy for
a long, long time about how he feels
about the avalanche of change
that has happened in the past fifteen years,
primarily
revolving around cell phones.
Think about this folks.
People carry around their

(31:13):
cellular gods
in their pockets twenty four seven.
Most of us are guilty of endless scrolling
as if we are reading incantations
from a holy text
that we hold in our glowing hands. Think
about it. We're all praying and looking down
into our palms.
What have we become?
And just how powerful is this almighty all

(31:35):
wise God that has brought nearly what? 8,000,000,000
followers to their knees.
And don't forget,
we are tiding,
you know, mean meaning how much money we're
spending on these trillions of dollars annually
to this pocket God.
I hate to tell you, but Christianity, Buddhism,
Hinduism, Islam, and so many other world religions

(31:57):
combined
are delegated to the shadows and the periphery
around this one massive, colossal, glowing god.
Are these connected to the cloud tiny temples
making us smarter?
Are we becoming illuminated or are we being
dumbed down? Are they enabling us to do
bigger and better things?

(32:17):
Or are we captives to a cult like
religion where everyone is pretty much on the
same page of compliance
and we blindly accept the terms and conditions
that this God demands from us, don't we?
We don't even read that small print. We
just Accept. Accept. Yeah.
Helping us to better understand this amazing force
in today's world is our friend and guest,

(32:40):
Erin Wickham.
Erin, it is a pleasure to welcome you
on today's Doc and Jacques Radio Variety Show.
Welcome, Erin. Alright. Pleasure to be here, Jacques.
What an introduction and how how flattering.
Thank you. And you've helped me. You've really
helped me. Yeah. I try. You've steered me
in the right way multiple times, and we've
known each other for a couple years now.
So, Gigi, lead off some questions to our

(33:00):
guest, Aaron. Basic questions. Once again, where are
you from, Erin?
I was born in Louisiana, but I would
say that I'm from Oregon. Where are you
born in in Louisiana? I lived there for
seven years. I was born in Lake Charles,
Louisiana.
Oh. I'll get get excited. Here she goes.
Lake Charles. She loves Yep. Flat land down
there. Like Charles. Had to move when,

(33:22):
my family did. I was an infant. So
Oh, you didn't have a choice. Otherwise, you
would still be there. Correct.
Well Now I think, you know, to a
better place. Yeah. And where was that place
you moved to? We moved to Grants Pass,
and I lived there for
a good seven years, and then I lived
in Seattle, actually. So Oh, wow. You moved
around. Did you come here then?
I came here about four years ago. I'm

(33:43):
like Yeah. We all climbed just after during
COVID. Right? Pretty amazing. Yep. Yeah. Now what
is your title and position?
So I'm the store manager of Cricket Wireless.
I run the cell phone store and
basically the man between the people and the
corporate. Right. Right. There you go. And Cricket
is right here? I mean, it's at Harbor.
Right? And Yeah. It's, just on the highway.

(34:05):
Right. Highway 1101.
By McKay's and Mhmm. Dollar General. Right there
in the shop and sell. Dollar General. No.
Not Dollar General. Dollar Tree. Dollar Tree. Yeah.
Yeah. Which is now gonna become twelve Dollar
Tree. Yeah. It to be the 99¢ store.
I don't know what happened to that. So
you've helped countless
people
get their cellular,
as you just recently helped me,

(34:25):
get my Time to go call. Before my
trip. Yeah. Before my trip. Couple days before
my trip, my phone was stolen and I
ran into Aaron and said, dude, you gotta
help me. I need help. I I'm gonna
be on the road. I can't be without
GPS. I can't be without Siri for goodness
sakes. God bless you. How many do you
have any idea how many there are there
really about 8,000,000,000 smartphones in use around the
world? I would say so. Yeah. Yep. Wow.

(34:46):
And what is that it says there are
ports of 11,000,000,000.
Is it IoT connections or LOT? Or do
you know what that is? Have any idea
I'm not familiar with the acronym, but when
you think about the connections, there's, you know,
there's mobile connections and then there's there's still
the landlines around. So they're not it's not
all just mobile connections.
I would say the vast majority is, that's

(35:08):
right. A lot of older folks. So so
the the
the landlines,
you have to keep and they can't be
just for the SOS, right, for the police
call or so. I think Well, any any
cell phone cellular device will make a emergency
call with or without service. You can call
911. You can call any emergency service. And
Yeah. I I think it's occasionally I'll look

(35:29):
down at Siri and I go, what? It's
saying I'm calling 911 because you've done something.
Old
bad phone. You pumped it all the time.
Yeah. Well, I supposedly, 95% of all these
smartphones are making
have access to the Internet. Right? Oh, yeah.
And I what country has the most, Well,
here's the thing is even if you don't
have service, everywhere you go these days has

(35:50):
Wi Fi. Right. Yeah. And then you have
the power of human history knowledge in your
hand. You just have to look up the
right question.
So So my son has a Huawei or
something. Do you know the Huawei phones from
China? Yeah. Mhmm. They don't have he doesn't
have phone capability
unless he has, Wi Fi and then it's
a real phone, which is he's had it
for I don't know. Yeah. He's the computer

(36:12):
guy that doesn't have access to the system.
Yeah. Well, Wi Fi Wi Fi is global.
So Yeah. You know, whereas we have, you
know, AT and T, Cricket, Verizon,
they may they have different services
elsewhere, which could even be the same services,
just different names. Right. You know? It could
be the same company. You never even know.
So is that really it's an,
you know, Verizon has the has the green

(36:34):
area in The States and T Mobile has
the pink area. Do they overlap? Is there
don't they go the same?
Well, it's it's a competitive market, so you're
gonna want
let's say you're Verizon and I'm Cricket. I'm
gonna want coverage where you are because I
want customers. Right. You know what I mean?
Yeah. So we So do you go to
the same thingy that is in that gives
us the I don't I still don't understand.

(36:55):
It's it's with satellites or something? Well, what
you do is you partner with companies so
that
the towers
the towers put off put off the mobile
signals. Oh, I see. You wanna you wanna
partner with as many people as you can
while also retaining your own service. Right. Yeah.
So that I can get customers. You know
what I mean? Oh, so it's the towers?
But the towers get their signal from the
from the Oh, yeah. I just returned from

(37:17):
my eight state cross country tour
and, like, places like Southern Wyoming and,
our Northern Utah
into Nebraska, the barren parts of Nebraska, I
had perfect cellular service this time like never
before. I'm so glad to hear that, Sean.
Yeah. Well, there you go. That is so
good to hear. It might have we I
never had a a glitch. I was even
able to hear the show streaming it, and

(37:38):
I was in the middle between Laramie and
Cheyenne Wyoming,
and there's nothing. Yeah. I have found that
my service, the one I work for specifically
Cricket, has really good service. Right on. Just
Well, it's so flat there. Right?
Well, I should have been part of it
as the best part of it. Guess what,
though? I've never been. Southern Southern Wyoming, you
do go over the Continental Divide. So even

(37:59):
though it is kind of rolling hills, you're
at 7,000 feet high. It's pretty it's pretty
amazing. And I had perfect reception this time.
Well, China has the most smart, phone users
in the world since they're the most people.
Oh, but Germany has the most
usage per capita.
Germans have more usage. Because we're if you
think about it, there's 80,000,000 people, but it's

(38:20):
in a in a place in a space
that is only Utah and half Nevada. So
it's a small space.
So you don't have to cover. It's more
condensed. Yeah. It's more condensed. And so you
don't have to cover all these square acreage
that you have to cover here for the
same amount. And the idea has
has has is the size of two Alaskas
put together,
but they have 1,500,000,000

(38:41):
people. United States, we have 350,000,000
on a good stretch. They have 1,500,000,000
at a place twice the size of Alaska.
They're heavy users of this too.
Nearly all college students own smartphones.
Is it Android is the leading mobile operating
system worldwide, but the iPhone
The iPhone is the number one sold phone
these days. Oh, yeah. I I think, in

(39:03):
2025,
as of right now, the iPhone 16 is
the number one sold cell phone. Yeah. I
just got a 16. I know. There you
go. Oh, she is not that happy to
Well, I can't get into my You didn't
go through the freaking You didn't go through
the freaking
I can't get into anything right now because
even though it's the same phone number, same
everything,
I can't. It's all up in this and
now we have we have,

(39:24):
what? We have Apples.
Yeah. We have Apples. I know that you
have you're an Android user. Why?
I know
I know a lot about, you know, how
technology works. And when I when I go
home and I have
my technology at home, I want it all
to work together.
And I don't have a lot of Apple
products at my house. Yeah. So Android is

(39:45):
friendly with other products. Like Microsoft Exactly. Yeah.
You go No. Like, I wanna cast. A
lot of the times, I'll cast my phone
to my TV to watch certain things. Right.
And you can't do that with your with
your iPhone because you have to have an
Apple TV to do that. So Yeah. The
the connection capabilities are much higher on
Samsung
Galaxy operating system, you know. Right. It just

(40:07):
it just connects easier. You need like a
dongle or something like that. Yeah. Do you
think that people have become smarter
now with this with the with the iPhones
or
do the iPhones? I think there's a small
percentage of people that have gotten smarter. I
think there's a much larger percent that has
gotten lazier.
Lazier over If you have, you've got the

(40:27):
power of human knowledge at your fingertips. Right.
I could tell you
how high a tree frog jumps. I don't
I don't know right now, but in ten
seconds I could. The yeah. That's And that
has translated to
if you're it depends on what you're doing
with your life and how you think. So
it will make you smarter, but it can
also make you a lot lazier.
So and in my experience,

(40:48):
people seem to get lazier.
Lazier because they're just looking, just information in.
They don't wanna actually find out how high
a tree frog frog can jump. I mean
Yeah. For if you have the questions,
you have the knowledge right there. Yeah but
then
let's say you have,
let's say I hand you an encyclopedia
right? That's a useful tool only if you

(41:09):
know how to read. Right. So if you
don't know what you're looking for and there's
knowledge all over the place and constant advertising,
it's a not useful tool for someone that
doesn't think like that. Right. Yeah. And you
don't have to go out of your way
at all. Exactly. You used to have to
go to the library. Yeah. You'd go to
the library. Look something like that. You wouldn't
put an encyclopedia. Right. Yeah. Exactly. So it's

(41:29):
just it's just a different thing. My father
had to make installment plans on the Britannica
sales, but he came through every five years
and sold us another set. Okay. Yeah. Now
if I think about so, you know, going
to medical school, I had to learn all
that. I had to know all that. And
now
everybody looks up stuff on Google or on
Doctor Google or so which I like

(41:50):
great. But I do like for people to
look it up. And so I'm thinking,
why do I have It's all about how
you approach it honestly. Yeah. My goodness. Because,
like I said, if it's not a useful
tool, you don't know how to use it.
Yeah. So Okay. So this phone
is not just a phone. It's a computer.
It's a communication device. It's a camera.

(42:11):
What it has so many different features and
it's this smaller than our hand. It fits
in the palm of our hand. Yeah. If
you wanna think about it, I use mine
for work. I use it to watch TV.
I use it to track sports. I use
I use my phone for everything. And I'm
sure you're the same. Like, we're here at
the radio station now. You gotta I mean,
the technology is People are dreaming the show.
Yeah. It's just so convenient

(42:32):
that they've given these devices to us that
it's just the convenience factor is just way
too high.
Wow. What would So be do people are
people happier about that? Does that make them
socially
connected or less connected? Because, you know, you
have 5,000 friends, but really how many
people do you know by face? Yeah. And
how many times you go to the coffee

(42:53):
shop and everyone's on their phone drinking. Right.
Yeah. So it's like, you know, is it
really
socializing or
is it more of a something to do?
Well, see, that's the question. I mean, the
younger generation who does that a lot, they
feel maybe it's kind of stupid to go
to people's houses, invade their privacy and have
a cake and coffee or whatever we do
in Germany. So I

(43:14):
I think it's a shift in
the whole
sentiment of syntax and all how we live.
Yeah. The dynamic has completely changed. Are we
losing our social connectivity when we're in personal
exchange?
Do people look you in the eyes anymore?
Do
they defer back? I noticed five years ago,
we would have never sat around a dining
table ever. You and I or anybody else,

(43:35):
we wanna sat around with our phones. But
guess what? We just had guests in the
house. And at one point, all four of
us were on our phones. Yeah. And then
and then you realize you start to even
after the show, you look around and be
like, man, that's just it's just a bit
much. Right? Seems like a bit much. Go
to the airports today, folks, and everybody is
engrossed in there. Everybody's head is down. I
work for the company. I'm I try to

(43:56):
help people when I can with connectivity issues,
you know. Like, your issue,
you just said you got a new phone
and none of your stuff's on it. I
just try to be as helpful as I
can to people, but if we talk about
the nitty gritty, like,
that's just what I see.
Right. Yeah. Well, we are talking about the
nitty gritty because
we are we had a whole show about
the pocket god. Right? How we are

(44:19):
getting all our information and then somebody else,
a person tells you, well, maybe that's not
my experience and then it will the interwebs
tell me so.
And then so
it over trumps just about everything that, you
know, that we discussed before. We discussed stuff
before. And now we get the facts. If
they're AI facts or real facts or or,

(44:41):
you know,
our age facts, we don't know. We just
So you use an Android yourself.
Right? But you know Apple. You fixed my
Apple enough times when I brought it and
said, hey, I can't do this. Right. Is
is it because why is why does why
do presidents and popes and important people always
use Apple?
Is it because they're more encrypted and safer?
I I'll tell it like I tell every

(45:02):
other customer that asked me, I 100%
think that it's the brand name.
It's it's the brand name. Just like like,
let's say let's say I'm wearing a Gap
t shirt and you have a Louis Vuitton
shirt on. The Louis Vuitton costs more. The
brand name's much more respected, but there's nothing
wrong with my Gap shirt. They do the
same thing. Yeah. At the end of the
day, I work with every single kind of
phone. They all do the same thing. I

(45:23):
thought they were more hack safe. I mean,
I would say their operating
their operating system's definitely more secure just because
they take their pride in that. And their
camera quality is probably a little better, but
realistically,
none of us are photographers and the government
isn't really after all of us. Right. Or
they are, but it's like, if if you
wanna hack my phone, what are you gonna
see?

(45:44):
I work at the cell phone store, like
Yeah. There's just I mean,
and that ties back again to why I
like Samsung and Android because the connectivity is
easier with multiple devices. That also means you're,
you know, there's multiple avenues to get in.
So I would say Apple's more secure if
you're worried about that. There's 8,000,000,000 people on
Earth approximately, and there's 12,000,000 connected devices.

(46:07):
Billion? Bill billion. Yeah. So who's tracking all
that? Is there anybody really
tracking that? We don't know. Maybe military.
Maybe they're checking it out. I mean,
yeah. We could go down many, many,
avenues about about this. Do you say see
this is becoming,
this cell phone, is it here to stay
forever and ever? Is it becoming like a

(46:29):
religion of sorts?
Well, I mean,
we talked about it a little bit, but
it's when you think about your daily practice,
like, when I wake up in the morning,
I roll over and I check my phone.
I look for my spare sets. I do.
Yeah. I check the weather. You know? You
look for the things that you're interested in.
And so,
I mean, I wouldn't say

(46:49):
religion per se, but
religion like tendencies, for sure. For sure.
Now how do you
and just personally, how do you see the
AI influence coming into the Good question, Doug.
Yeah. It's a
I don't know. That's a tough it's a
tough subject because, like like I said, there's

(47:10):
a lot of useful tools when it comes
to the cell phone. Mhmm. But then, like,
there's also people that, you know, I'm not
a paranoid person, but sometimes you're you're doing
stuff and it's like, oh, this is this
doesn't look right and I'll get paranoid.
But with the AI, it's just how far
are we gonna go into technology before it
starts
taking over other things that we do

(47:32):
personally. You know what I mean? We'll probably
find out when it's too late because we're
going, whoops. Of Course. Yeah. I don't think
it's going away. It's driving us. It's it's
it's getting us. What about this tracking? I
mean,
we have to sign off. At least at
least out of my Apple, it always is
saying, do you agree to be tracked, with
our ads? And I I always check no.
No. No. No. I don't want that.

(47:53):
But it's telling us we're tracking you and
Well, you look something up. You look something
up and then two minutes later, you get
the same or similar ad. Right? People are
telling me I was just thinking about dog
food the other day, and suddenly, on my
team, it was selling me. Team, it was
selling me dog food. Yeah. It'll personalize it
for you. Right. We live in the world
of advertisements, though. So Yeah. Does Prickett sell

(48:15):
any of those kind of, like, hey hey,
what is it, Siri or the the boxes
that speak to you. Or Alexa. Alexa. Hey,
Alexa. We do not sell the Alexa. That's
Yeah.
It's more that's,
even if you buy an Alexa, let's say
you get it from Fred Meyer or something,
you still have to run it through Amazon.
So it's an Amazon product.
And you're an Amazon queen. Right? I am.
Well She likes Amazon. Yep. I think Alexa

(48:37):
is like $5 a $5 a month to
get her to I don't want Alexa. You
already called Siri all the time.
He says so he says, hey, Gigi. What
time is it? And before I can breathe
in, hey, Siri. What time is it? It
doesn't
I mean It's the convenience factor. The convenience
factor is is too high. It's it Yeah.
My my iPad just came up four forty
nine, but she didn't speak to me. I

(49:00):
just had her I forgot to silence my
iPad. I was thinking that. Where do you
see yourself in a couple years, man? Are
you, content here in this area? Do you
how long you lived in the actual Brookings
and I've lived in Brookings for
three years. Yeah. Three or four. What do
you like best about it?
Definitely just waking up the sunsets, I'd say.
Right. The sunsets and the sunrises. What's lacking,

(49:22):
if anything?
Yeah. There's just not Alright.
Well, I wish there were more public events
like like what he was speaking about earlier.
Ozzy? Yeah. What Ozzy was saying about, you
know,
the stuff that he's been engaged with in
the community and stuff, I just wish there
was more more events and more people interested
in in getting out there. Like, when I

(49:42):
met you, it was at the concerts in
the park. Right. We were out there shucking
and jiving,
dancing pantomimeing.
There we go. And that is really cool,
the dancing. The So so Brookings Harbor, they
have a lot We do. For the size?
Quite a bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It also
rolls up at 09:00 at night.
Yeah. Pretty much. That's true. Yeah. Crescent City
is a little bit different. You can stay

(50:04):
down there later. Bands stay later, but then
you gotta drive the corridor.
Gotta drive down the strip that one one.
The music in the park is
such a cool thing that this community brings
out. I wonder if you'd hear that song.
It's surprisingly very good.
It is very good. Right? Yes. You have
the best. For all you people down in
Eureka and Crescent City, we're talking,

(50:25):
Sling on,
Brookings because they have that
The media festival. America music festival. Yeah. Americana
Every song. And it's a great place. Thousands
of people come together each week for free
concerts. Free concerts to like, one to one
Sundays from one to three or one to
four. So much fun.
Are we are we headed to some spot

(50:47):
that maybe we can't return from? I'm not
trying to get too deep and philosophical, but
in a way, I am.
Look what's happened in five years, in our
cell phone usage. It just keeps absorbing more.
We're more and more absorbed into it.
And I don't see it's kind of relentless.
I see ourselves
every kid today, every kid I know has

(51:09):
a cell phone. Well, you think about smartphones
and now there's there's the recording glasses and
headphones that translate and it's just What? It
just keeps going. So it's
no, I don't think it's going away. I
think I think they will just keep coming
out with what's next and what's new. And
the trick that has gotten everybody is the
convenience factor. And it's like,

(51:31):
if you want your life to go smooth
and easy, you should get this product. Yeah.
And guess what? Everybody you know has one
too. Right. So why don't you have it?
Well, some parents also actually track their children
with that. They, you know Yeah. Exactly. There's
a lot of there's a lot of really
good merits that go with that. And you
can set the phone to where it only
calls, you know, the parents and emergency services

(51:52):
and you can know where they are and
it's there are a lot of bonuses that
go with it. There is a track. The
real the real concerning thing is who's controlling
the information stream
because it's it's by far the best mind
control device ever invented.
It has If if you're in if you're
into that sort of thing, you know. Oh,
that's our the the pocket god that we're

(52:13):
talking about. Right? That we're very k. What
about the anxiety that goes with this? When
you people You have anxiety? Five What's Five
years ago. Five years ago. Five whole minutes
since you got to use this phone. Ten
years ago. Ten years ago, before I drove
off without my phone, I would have just
said, oh, I'll be back this afternoon or
this evening. I don't care. Today, I'll turn
around if I'm 25 miles away to go

(52:34):
get my cell phone. It's like, are you
kidding me? Or is this real? Am I
really being I'm enslaved
to it in a way because it offers
us so much.
Step counting. The step counting. That's right. The
health the health aspect. Yeah. There's a lot
of positives. I mean, you can count your
steps, monitors your blood pressure, if you have
watch and stuff. But, like,

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a lot of it is I mean, people
wanna stay connected. Like, there's there's people that
you know that don't live here. Right?
And heaven forbid, you just don't hear from
them anymore. You know? So
being connected is a really good thing. I
like being connected. But
there are
a lot of convenience factors that I think

(53:16):
make people lazy.
Yeah. You've you've referred to this, and I
think he has a good point. Hey. This
this might sound sacrilegious. Let us hear it.
But, you you just gotta turn it off
for an hour. Yeah. Even even one hour
even one hour a week. One hour. Turn
it off, walk around in the woods Walk
around. Or hang out with the people on
the beach or whatever.
You know? So my mom, when I grew
up, we still wrote letters. Right? Letters to

(53:39):
the grandparents.
That is what was that. Right? And so
who still because you can just call. Uh-huh.
Yeah. So even texting on the Oh, yeah.
Who sends letters anymore? Right? Nobody does because
it takes three days to a week before
you even The snail mail? Yeah. I wanna
Check your email. I wanna ask, Erin about
the demographics. Are there just as many younger

(54:00):
people coming into cricket and talking with you?
Are you dealing with the same amount of
older people? I mean, it seems like everybody's
bought into the scene. Listen.
Yeah. I'd say the demographic remains
pretty even across the board because With all
age. Yeah. All ages come in. And I
try to be as helpful
as, you know, let's say, Sharon doesn't know

(54:20):
how to check her email. That's fine. I'll
help anybody who needs help.
But, yeah, the demographic, I'd say, is just
it's even. How about older people? How old
is old? I mean, do you see people
after 80 don't come in anymore or if
really any age? You'd be surprised. Yeah. I
guess so. I had a woman the other
day tell me she was 98 years old.

(54:41):
Oh my
gosh. Very cool. Yeah. She just wanted a
phone to call her grandson. And I was
like, I'll help you. I'll put the number
in the phone. I'll help anything I can.
Right. By the way, I tried to open
up my Cricket account the other day, and
it said password. I forgot you wrote down
my password for me. I said Did I
always write it down? I handed it to
you. And I snuck it on the box,
and I threw the box away. Yeah. Like,
I oh, man.

(55:02):
Well, if you if you need help, if
you're listening, come to Cricket. Yeah. Okay. We
he's there. What days what days do you
work there? I work every day except for
Sunday.
I'm walking today. Found out they're not open
on Sunday. Right? We went up we went
up we went up just my store is
not open because I'm having a a scheduling
issue. Is there another, store in Brookings or
just there's just one here? Just got the
one. Is there one in Crest City? I
don't know. We did have one in Crest

(55:23):
City about two years ago, but they have
been closed. And then you have one in,
Eureka? There's a cricket in Eureka. I know
I've seen it. Yeah. There is. There is.
A pass by thing. Alright. Well, folks, you
have heard from the horse's mouth literally about
Literally. Some of these fascinating
aspects of what we all carry in our
pockets,
These cell phones, which are right here on

(55:44):
our desk. Real loud. I have two. We're
not you had two. Right? You know? Because
my I'm jealous. I want three now. Alright.
Wow. Fascinating topics. We'd love to have you,
come back on and talk about this on
a regular basis because I just find it
Very cool. I find it just fascinating. And,
of course, we always wanna find out what
Ozzy is up to. Ozzy, I gotta say,
man, you're one of the most friendly guys

(56:05):
around. Everybody everybody when you when you see
Ozzy, everybody smiles because you got a great
smile, man. You're a good guy. Yeah. Ozzy's
cool. I made it sound like Cirque du
Soleil when you were talking about the piercing.
There we go. He's hanging from he's hanging
from cords.
The the only real reason I haven't tried
to do it around here is I never
thought I'd I never thought I would live
here longer than a year or two. So

(56:26):
I I never, you know Right on. Okay.
Is it Funtime Corner? Continued.
Yeah. Is it Funtime Corner, my dear? Funtime
Corner. I only have a few things here.
Gigi and I got married under a cell
phone tower.
The ceremony wasn't great, but the reception was
perfect.
Hey. Apple is announcing a new cell phone
for children.

(56:47):
I kid you not.
I kid. I thought okay.
Derek. Well Doctor Chi Chi Chi just told
me that I remind her of her cell
phone, and I asked her why. She said
because you're about to die.
That's what you do. I'm pretty bad looking
air. I like his deal. Listen. Listen. This
is a great one. Today, while driving to
the studio, I saw this idiot driving while

(57:08):
talking on a cell phone. I got so
mad at him, I threw my beer at
him.
Hey. What group of people always have the
highest cell phone bills, doctor?
What? The Romans.
The Romans. Oh, the Romans. The Romans. The
Romans. I did twice last time. Okay. That's
a good one. I got a new cell

(57:29):
phone for doctor Gigi. That's a darn good
trade if you ask me.
Very good. What group of oh, wait. You
deleted all my German friends?
Oh, why?
You deleted all my German friends from my
cell phone. Contact us. Why?
Because you wanted to be Hans free. Because

(57:50):
I'm Hans free.
Oh, man. That is so you don't have
any we both deleted your accidentally deleted your
quotes today. Yes. We did. So we're going
yeah. We're done. Alright. Thanks everybody. Here and
I've been listening to the Doc and Jacques
Variety Show on KCOW
one hundred point seven FM in Brookings, Oregon.

(58:11):
We hope you have enjoyed our show as
much as we have learning about Ozzy and
Yeah.
A. A. A. A. A.
Ron. A. Ron. Yeah. Indeed. Peace and prosperity
to both of you gentlemen. Thank you for
coming in. Thank you again, Tom Bozek, Linda
Bozek, and all the folks that make this
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(58:33):
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is up next, folks. Peace and love to
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so much. It's a ride. We're fun. Thank
you.
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