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July 1, 2025 45 mins

In this episode, designer, educator, and author David Reinfurt returns to the show to discuss his latest book, A *Co-* Program for Graphic Design. Born from a series of lectures delivered remotely, online, and together with collaborators and cooperators, the new book builds on his earlier "spoken" book, exploring some unexpected and intuitive overlaps between design and the rest of the world around us.

In conversation, Liam and David cover the power of hands-on learning, the importance of going against expectations as a designer, and the positionality of design—its closeness to everyday life, how it affects those that encounter it, and how it's taught—and how individual perspective is the real driver of design as a practice.

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Episode Chapters:

00:00 Introduction and Background
08:53 Teaching as Performance
14:34 The Role of Collaboration in Design
18:26 Diverse Perspectives in Design Education
21:55 Exploring Design Space and Topology
26:34 Hands-On Learning in Design Education
30:13 Art and Design
32:34 Creating Space for Reflection in Design
36:34 The Evolution of Design Conventions
39:38 The Bait and Switch
42:04 Individual Perspectives in Design
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