January 28, 2025 • 44 mins
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• 0:00:00 - Introduction
• 0:03:43 - No-Prize Time
• 0:10:17 - Ulrich Thomsen to play Sinestro in HBO Lanterns series
• 0:12:33 - Question of the Week
• 0:13:17 - Circe vs Morgan le Fay intro
• 0:16:49 - Circe history and abilities
• 0:25:17 - Morgan le Fay history and abilities
• 0:32:21 - Fight speculation
• 0:39:41 - Duel results
• 0:42:36 - Sign off
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• 0:00:00 - Introduction
• 0:03:43 - No-Prize Time
• 0:10:17 - Ulrich Thomsen to play Sinestro in HBO Lanterns series
• 0:12:33 - Question of the Week
• 0:13:17 - Circe vs Morgan le Fay intro
• 0:16:49 - Circe history and abilities
• 0:25:17 - Morgan le Fay history and abilities
• 0:32:21 - Fight speculation
• 0:39:41 - Duel results
• 0:42:36 - Sign off
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Executive producers: Ken Johnson, John Starosky, Zachary Hepburn, Dustyn Balcom, Miggy Matanguihan, Brandon Estergard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yeaton, Austin Wesolowski, AJ Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Speas, Dean Maleski, Devin Davis, Joseph Kersting, Josh Liner, Mike Williams, and Oscar Galvez
"Take a Chance" "Clash Defiant" "Blip Stream" "Nowhere Land" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com), Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
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This is a DynaMic Network podcast.
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Welcome to the dynamic duel podcast a weeklyshow where we review superhero films and debate
the superiority between Marvel and DC By comparingtheir characters in stat-based battle simulations
I'm marvelous Joe and I'm his twin brother JohnnyDC and in this episode we're gonna find out
who would win in a fight between Morgan Le Fayand Cersei being a Greek mythological figure
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and Morgan Le Fay being an Arthurian legendcharacter. Right, and Cersei of course is a
Wonder Woman villain. Morgan and Le Fay is Ithink an Avengers villain, is that right? Well,
she's an Avengers villain, she's a Black Knightvillain, she's also a Doctor Strange villain.
She's a general Marvel villain, and she's prettypowerful, so I'm pretty sure that Cersei is
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going down. So what you're saying is she's likethe Marvel villain village bicycle? Sure, sure,
whatever. I mean, if you're familiar with Arthurianlegend, you might not disagree with that statement.
Sweet! Can't wait for this match! Before that,we're going to get into the latest comic book
movie news of which we only have one news itemthis week, and that is that Ulrich Thompson
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is going to play Sinestro in the HBO Lanternseries. Who the hell is that guy? We'll find
out later on. As always, we list our segmenttimes in our episode description, so feel free
to check out the show notes if you want to skipahead to a particular topic. Guys, our artificially
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everyone who supports the podcast. Be sure totune in to the other shows in the Dynamite
Podcast Network this week including Max Destructionwhich pits your favorite action heroes from
film and television against each other. Thisweek, hosts Scotty and Gilly are finding out
who would win in a fight between Spawn and Hellboy.That's going to be a great match. On the Senjoh World
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podcast, host Zachary Hepburn speculates onfights between fan favorite anime and manga
characters. This week, Zach's finding out whowould win in a battle between Sung-Jin Woo
of Solo Leveling and Sid Kaganu of The Eminencein Shadow. And sorry if I butchered those names.
And on the Konsole Kombat podcast, hosts Johnand Dean simulate battles between popular video
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game characters. In yesterday's episode, theyfound out who would win in a fight between
Zangief from Street Fighter and Wolf from VirtuaFighter. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click
the link in our show notes. to listen to allof the shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network.
But with that out of the way, quick to the noprize. A no prize is an award that Marvel used
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to give out to fans. Our version, the DynamicDuel No Prize, is a digital award that we post
on Instagram for the person we feel gave thebest answer to our question of the week. Last
week, we asked you guys, what Marvel or DC televisionseries are you most looking forward to? in
2025. And we got a number of answers, but wehave three honorable mentions to go through
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as well as the no prize winner. Our first honorablemention goes to Michael Williams, who said,
But Marvel TV show I'm looking forward to isWonder Man. I know that they are fictional
characters and I'm not a big fan of gender swappingor race swapping, but that's the world we live
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in. So it'd be interesting to see. how they'regoing to do these characters, backstory, change
it up, and introduce them into the Marvel Universe.Yeah, I feel like Wonder Man is the Marvel
project that we know the least about currently,probably because it's not coming out until
the end of 2025, but it has a great cast inYaya Abdul-Mateen II, who has had a number
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of comic book roles under his belt, and alsolike from the vague, preview of sorts that
we got from the last D23 event. It looks fairlyinteresting. It focuses heavily on the Hollywood
system, but Michael Williams as a superheroin Marvel is an actor and taking that route
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is something that we haven't seen before. Soat the very least, it's gonna give us something
new. I'm excited just to get a Wonder Man series.I've never liked the name Wonder Man because
it's just way too close to Wonder Woman. Butthe character otherwise is pretty cool. Absolutely.
Yeah, if you guys want to learn more about WonderMan, listen to our duel episode where we pit
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him against Captain Adam. He's a great character.Thanks, Michael Williams. Our next honorable
mention goes to Lee Tapscott, who said, Hi,this is Lee Tapscott. What Marvel or DC show
am I most looking forward to? Marvel zombies.In this show, I'm hoping that they follow Spider-Man.
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as he is traumatized by killing his family andbeing the hero that he once was. Will he overcome
the constant hunger and keep killing or willhe find a way to stop the zombies? Dude, same.
And if you've read the Marvel zombies comicbooks and followed the Spider-Man arc as far
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as that goes, it's truly fascinating, especiallylike when he eats Sandman. It's kind of disturbing.
I don't know if the Marvel Zombies televisionshow will go that route, but there's definitely
a lot of interesting areas to explore when itcomes to Spider-Man and the Marvel Zombies.
Like is he gonna eat Aunt May or Mary Jane andall that stuff? We'll see if it follows the
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comic books by watching the show when it comesout close to Halloween this year. Yeah, we
broke down the storyline of Marvel Zombies inour Deceased vs. Marvel Zombies episode. So...
Don't listen to that if you don't want to bespoiled as to what happens or could happen
on the show. That was a fun episode. Thank you,Lee. Our final honorable mention goes to McGee
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Mathengian, who said, Hey, what's up, guys?This is McGee. And the show I'm looking forward
to the most this year is My Adventures withSuperman Season 3. Now, I know it hasn't been
confirmed or anything, but hopefully we getit this year. Me and my girlfriend have been
watching it. We actually just finished. likeI've already seen it but I was watching it
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with her so it was her first time watching itseason two like season one and two um a couple
of weeks ago and she loved it and so it's kindof like our show now so my adventures with
Superman is probably one of the best modernadaptations of the character of Superman to
ever come out yeah totally I have yet to hearanyone say that they dislike this series even
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people who don't like the character of Supermanseem to like this series which makes me Superman
is DC's flagship character. And if there's onecharacter you need to get right, it's Superman.
Yeah, hopefully James Gunn's iteration of Supermanin his live action movie coming out this summer
matches the quality of the character that isportrayed in this series. It needs to. And
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hopefully Miggi could go see that movie withhis girlfriend who is totally real. Ha ha ha.
But special thanks to Daniel Alonso, Jess andBetty. Mason Thompson and Travis Herndon for
calling in with their answer this week. Butthe winner of this week's no prize is Jonathan
and not Johnny DC, but a different Jonathan.He said, Hey, my name is John and my most anticipated
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show for 2025 is obviously Daredevil for obviousreasons. But Peacemaker season two is going
to be a close second because that show is awesome.And Creature Commando season two would have
been there too. But there's no way they cancrank out a season two this year. But those
are my Most anticipated picks. Shout out PeacemakerSeason Two for sure. All right, Jonathan, it
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comes down to this. What series is gonna bebetter in 2025? Daredevil Born Again or Peacemaker
Season Two? Peacemaker Season Two. Oh, that'sthe wrong answer. The correct answer was Daredevil
Born Again. Sorry. Try again next time. I dothink Daredevil Born Again is going to be a
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fantastic show. Just based on the trailer, itlooks like it's going to be as good as the
seasons that Netflix put out. At least I'm hopingthat's the case. I'm also really looking forward
to Peacemaker Season 2 as well. Although I haveto say, it's not my most anticipated series
of this year from DC. That would probably begoing to Sandman Season 2 if that comes out
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this year. It may not. Yeah. That whole NeilGaiman thing is just kind of a... Shit show.
Yeah, it's friggin' really weird. But no, Ilove Peacemaker season one, and Peacemaker
season two is definitely high on my list ofshows this year. So congrats to Jonathan for
winning this week's No Prize. If you the listenerwant a shot at winning your own No Prize, stay
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tuned to later on this episode when we'll beasking another question of the week. But now
that that's done, on to the news.
Alright, last week Deadline confirmed that UlrichThompson has been cast as Sinestro for the
upcoming HBO series, Lanterns. This series ofcourse is set in James Gunn's DCU and it stars
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Aaron Pierre as Jon Stewart and Kyle Chandleras Hal Jordan. Sinestro of course is a major
villain figure in Green Lantern mythology, althoughI'm assuming that by the start of this series,
he will still be a Green Lantern. I have noidea who Ulrich Thompson is. Apparently he
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has been in series like Banshee for Cinemax.He also had a recurring role on The Blacklist
that aired on NBC for a time, as well as counterpartHBO's The Young Pope. He's a Scandinavian actor.
Yeah, I've never seen a guy with so prominenta filmography whom I've never heard of. He
has a good look though for... Sinestro, so I'mhoping he does well. Yeah, looks wise, he looks
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nothing like Mark Strong, who I thought nailedthe look of the character of Sinestro, if not
the behavior in the infamous Green Lantern film.I don't know, this guy, it just doesn't say
Sinestro to me personally. It says maybe likeHitler, who the character of Sinestro was based
on, just like comb his hair to the side andgive him like a mustache. Boom. Sure. I think
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that's what they're going for in this casting.Yeah, I think it'll be interesting how they
treat the character of Sinestro in this showif he starts off as a Green Lantern and then
we see that transition into his more villainouspersona. It always struck me as odd that it's
surprising that a character with the name ofSinestro turns evil. So I wonder how they're
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going to play that off in this series becauseif the actors from Earth aren't like, wait,
this guy... Just say his name is Sinestro. Theyhave to say something about it because otherwise
it's just too awkward. There's some things youcan get away with in the comics that you can't
get away with on screen. I'm sure the guy isa terrific actor. Again, I don't know anything
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about him. But speaking of great villain actors,that brings us to our question of the week.
Which actor has given the best performance ina villain role for a Marvel or DC series? Who's
your favorite villain in a television show forMarvel or DC basically? Record your answer
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at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphonebutton in the bottom right hand corner of the
screen which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail.Your message could be up to 30 seconds long
and don't forget to leave your name in casewe include you on the podcast. We'll pick our
favorite answer. and award that person a dynamicduel no prize that we'll post to Instagram.
Be sure to answer before February 1st.
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But I think that does it for all the news forthis episode, so let's go ahead and get into
our main event where we find out who would winin a fight between the mythological DC character
of Cersei versus the Arthurian legend character,Morgan Le Fay.
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Alright, Cersei versus Morgan Le Fay. This episodeis coming off of Creature Commando Season 1,
in which Cersei played a minor role, but she'sa prominent Wonder Woman villain, so it was
important, I think, to get her in a duel againstone of Marvel's most preeminent sorceress villainesses,
Morgan Le Fay. Was Morgan Le Fay in that oneRenaissance what-if episode? Oh, what-if 1602?
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She was not. But Morgan Le Fay has played aprominent live action role in the Runaway season
three, where she was played actually by ElizabethHurley. So she's kind of a big deal. Oh, Elizabeth
Hurley, huh? Yeah. Cersei would be so lucky.I am not even gonna debate you on that, because
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I agree. Yeah, Cersei was pretty cool in CreatureCommando season one. I really hope though that
she eventually plays a role as the primary villain.of a Wonder Woman live action movie. Well I'm
hoping that she's going to pop up in the ParadiseLost television series that was announced for
the DCU about the island of the Mascara andthe Amazons. Yeah, it would make sense for
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her character to show up there. Yeah, and we'llget into the backstory of Cersei and Morgan
Le Fay, but first to explain the methodologybehind our duels, let's go to our sentient
duel simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ 9K, tellour listeners how you go about determining
a winner. in our Duel matchups.
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Additional stat categories are included suchas range, damage potential, versatility and
perception in order to create a more detailedand accurate simulation. The results of the
1000 simulations provide a percentage of winsfor each character. The contestant with the
higher percentage is declared the victor asthey have a higher probability to win any given
battle. In an equitable pairing, neither charactershould win 100% of the matches. The comic book
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stories have shown that there's even a way forBatman to defeat Superman. So the confidence
rate of my method falls in line with the precedentsthat have been established in the source material.
My mathematical simulations are without subjectivityor bias. Feats are not the sole consideration,
nor are fan votes tabulated for determinationof the winner. Thanks AJ9K! Before we run the
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simulations though, we like to break down eachcharacter's histories and abilities before
improvising a scenario on how we imagine oneof the 1000 simulations would play out beat
for beat. And it's my turn to go first withthe DC characters backstory, so let me tell
you all about Cersei. Now over 1200 years BC,Cersei was born to the Titans Hyperion and
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Persace and raised as the Princess of Colchis,a kingdom in the Caucasus region. Known for
her beauty and cunning, she murdered her weakand unworthy husband, an act that led to her
expulsion from the kingdom. Exiled and seekingpower, Cersei fled to the island of Aiea, where
she began studying the mystical arts and developeda talent for sorcery. While her magic was initially
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limited to the island, she used nearby sirensto lure unsuspecting sailors and travelers,
transforming them into animals as punishmentfor their intrusion and to perfect her powers.
Her prayers for greater power reached the Greekgoddess Hecate, the goddess of witchcraft and
an Olympian outcast who sought revenge againstthe gods who had wronged her. Hecate offered
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Cersei a pact, immortality, eternal beauty,and immense magical power in exchange for her
soul. When Cersei accepted, Hecate transferredher essence into the sorceress, dying in the
process by uttering a chilling prophecy, uponthe death of which and the birth of which,
Hecate, by name and choice, shall repossessher soul. Initially unconcerned by the prophecy,
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Cersei reveled in her newfound abilities, usingthem to raise Colchis in a single day. She
became infamous for her power to transform humansinto animals, creating subservient bestiomorphs,
sometimes called animin, bound to her will.Empowered by Hecate's hatred of the gods, Cersei
relished in fostering discord between men andwomen, sowing mistrust and animosity wherever
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she went. She became wary, however, when theAmazons, warrior women blessed by the Olympian
gods, were created. Ares, the god of war, assuredCersei that the Amazons would fall under his
schemes, however, and she initially allowedhim to act unchallenged. You can learn more
about Ares in our Ares vs Loki duel episode.When Hercules enslaved the Amazons, Cersei
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took advantage of the situation to create adivision amongst the group by manipulating
Ariadne. into murdering Antiochus, the sisterof Apollita, who had brokered peace with Athens.
This act resulted in a rift between the ThemiscerianAmazons and the newly formed Bona-Migdala tribe,
fulfilling Cersei's aim to weaken their unity.For centuries, Cersei remained on Aaea, orchestrating
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chaos and destruction from afar when it suitedher. By modern times, she had retreated to
her island as an enigmatic recluse. But whenWonder Woman appeared in Man's World, Cersei
was surprised that Amazons had survived, asall traces of them had vanished for hundreds
of years. You can learn more about Wonder Womanin our Wonder Woman vs. Thor episode. Fearing
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Diana was the fulfillment of Hecate's prophecy,she plotted to destroy her, but feared direct
confrontation. Cersei's attempt to revert Dianaback into clay failed when the Greek gods intervened,
but her obsession with the Amazon Princess endured.Cersei's hatred for the Amazons led her to
instigate a war of the gods between the Greek,Roman, and Egyptian pantheons in an effort
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to sap their power for herself. Cersei alignedherself with the Banu-Migdhal Amazons, using
them as pawns in her effort to discredit WonderWoman and the Themyscirans. Her plan reached
their apex when she killed Wonder Woman by finallyreverting her into the clay from which she
had been formed. However, with the aid of theSpectre and the Phantom Stranger... Wonder
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Woman was resurrected and Cersei's plot unraveled.Hecate's soul abandoned Cersei during the battle,
leaving her seemingly defeated. Following herfailure in the War of the Gods, Cersei turned
on her Bonamigdol Amazons, casting them andthe Themyscaryans into a demon-infested dimension.
The Amazons spent years fighting for survival.When Wonder Woman confronted her, Cersei was
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forced to return the island to its originallocation after losing a wager with the Amazon
Princess. In one of her most insidious schemes,Cersei disguised herself as Donna Milton, a
lawyer who befriended Diana to destroy her fromwithin. Cersei cast a spell on herself to suppress
her memories of her true identity, ensuringthe Donna Milton persona would remain genuine
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and immune to one romance lasso of truth. Underthe skies, she became romantically involved
with Ares Buchanan. the mortal guise of thegod Ares, and gave birth to their daughter,
Leda Milton. Eventually, Diana realized Donna'strue nature, and though Cersei's memories returned,
she found herself emotionally conflicted dueto her new attachment to Diana as Donna Milton.
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In a rare act of selflessness, she saved Dianaduring a confrontation with a villain known
as the White Magician. Cersei later struck adeal with the demon Neuron to increase her
magical power. She joined Lex Luthor's InjusticeGang, attempting to destroy the Justice League
by turning its members against one another.She clashed with Wonder Woman repeatedly, including
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during an attack on New York City, where shetransformed male superheroes into beast geomorphs,
and transformed Superman into a doomsday-likemonster to kill Wonder Woman. Later, Cersei
empowered Wonder Woman's rogues, including Cheetah,Giganta, and Dr. Psycho, to test the Amazons'
resolve. She stole Wonder Woman's powers duringthis period and declared herself the new Wonder
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Woman. However, Diana eventually regained herabilities, defeated Cersei, and banished her
once again. In post-Flashpoint continuity, Cerseiwas reimagined as a red-haired bearer of the
Witch Mark, which signified her possession ofa fragment of Hecate's soul. in a plot to manipulate
Superman into fighting Wonder Woman, the combinedefforts of Superman and Wonder Woman thwarted
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her plans. Cersei later became entangled withVeronica Cale, an entrepreneur seeking vengeance
against the Sons of Ares for kidnapping herdaughter. Together, they trapped Phobos and
Deimos, the twin Sons of Ares, in animal forms.Cersei deduced that Cale's daughter was being
held on Themyscira, but refused to help further,fearing the consequences of freeing Ares. When
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Hecate sought to reclaim her soul through theWitchmarks, Cersei manipulated events to inherit
Hecate's full power. She pretended to assistWonder Woman and the Justice League Dark in
fighting Hecate, but secretly sought to destroyher patron. Her plan succeeded, and with Hecate's
death, Cersei became the new Goddess of Magic.She formed the Injustice League Dark, recruiting
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powerful magical beings to challenge WonderHowever, her plans were thwarted when Diana
used the power of Eclipso to defeat her. Ratherthan destroy Cersei, Diana imprisoned her in
a magical mirror, allowing her to retain hernewfound power, but barring her from using
it against others. That's Cersei's backstory.Power-wise, Cersei is a goddess-level sorceress
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with vast magical power. Her abilities includematter and energy manipulation, reality alteration,
and teleportation. She's best known for transforminghumans into beast geomorphs, which are animal-like
beings under her control. She can project destructivemagical blasts, erect defensive shields, and
summon creatures to do her bidding. Cersei'simmortality prevents her from aging, and she
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is highly resistant to physical harm. She alsohas limited clairvoyance, allowing her to foresee
events and sense the presence of other immortals.And that's Cersei! I think the most surprising
thing there is that my knowledge of the mythologicalCersei was primarily from the Odyssey, but
the fact that the Amazonians came after theevents of that story was interesting. Well,
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not necessarily, because she had been on theisland of Aya for a while, even after the Amazons,
so she stayed there. Alright, so I thought Ihad the Amazons chronologically placed in a
certain time, but yeah, it's pretty vague, Iguess, when they started. Greek Myth! is not
as interesting as Arthurian legend. So, oh,what? You heard me. That's right. Let me go
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ahead and get into the Arthurian legend thatis Morgan Le Fay. Now, Morgan Le Fay was born
in the magical Celtic realm of Avalon duringthe sixth century days of Camelot. She's the
daughter of a grain, the sea princess, and anunknown father of fairy lineage. A young sorcerer
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from Avalon named Merlin forewarned of a greatcatastrophe that would befall Egraine's kingdom
and helped the mother and daughter flee to Earth'srealm in Britain. There Merlin arranged for
Egraine to marry Gorloi, Duke of Tintagel whoadopted the young Morgan. King Uther Pendragon
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of England lusted after Egraine and killed Gorloi,taking Morgan's mother as his own bride. When
Negrane birthed them a son, Morgan became thehalf-sister of Arthur Pendragon, whom Merlin
had prophesied would become the greatest kingof Britain. Merlin trained Morgan Le Fay in
sorcery as she grew up, and she became his apprenticeand later lover. though the alliance soon unraveled
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when she grew furious with his apparent abandonmentof their relationship in favor of King Arthur's
reign and the spread of Christianity, sinceMorrigan was a disciple of the old Druidic
ways of Britain. She had resented King Arthurfrom the moment of his birth, and allied herself
with his bastard son and her nephew, Mordred,often conspiring with him against both Camelot
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and Arthur himself. Morgan's long rivalry withMerlin intensified, given his role as royal
advisor and enforcer against her plots. Sheoccasionally resided at Castle Le Fay, which
was gifted to her by Arthur in his attemptsto keep peace, but she continued to undermine
him from within. In her early forays into blackmagic, Morgan led a cult who worshipped the
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elder god Chthon, the god of chaos. She assembledand helped bind his scattered scrolls into
a single tome known as the Darkhold. Unfortunatelyfor her, the summon to C'thun proved too powerful
to control, so Morgan and her followers boundhim within Wundergorm Mountain. You can learn
more about C'thun and Wundergorm Mountain inour Zatanna vs Scarlet Witch One of her disciples,
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Magnus, eventually saw the evil in her waysand stole the Darkhold to prevent Morrigan
from abusing its contents. She slew Magnus inretaliation, but lost her access to the book's
dark secrets. Her conflicts with Arthur oftencentered on the sword Excalibur, which she
tried to sabotage by striking a chip from thereal blade and forging a hellish replica. She
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resented Lancelot. one of the Knights of theRound Table for spurring her affections, and
she eventually exposed Lancelot's affair withArthur's Queen Guinevere, fracturing the Court
of Camelot from within and helping incite thecivil war that spelled Arthur's downfall. As
these events reached their climax, Merlin intervenedrepeatedly, eventually having Morgan imprisoned
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with a powerful enchantment, though she managedto project her astral form beyond physical
throughout time. When Mordred gravely woundedhis father, the king, Morgan's astral form
transported Arthur's soul to Avalon, yet herhatred of his legacy of Camelot endured, and
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she continued her quest for greater power fromwithin her imprisonment. She was particularly
determined to retrieve the Darkhold in futurecenturies, believing it could finally free
her from Merlin's longstanding bindings andallow her to rule unrestricted. Over centuries,
Morgan repeatedly manifested in eras beyondher original timeline. In the modern age, she
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often confronted heroes such as Doctor Strangeand the Avengers. She tried to possess people
to bypass her constraints, including the heroineSpider-Woman, aka Jessica Drew, whose body
she temporarily took control of. Morgan alsoclashed with Iron Man. whom she met when Dr.
Doom time traveled back to her era and strucka deal with her in exchange for knowledge of
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the dark arts. Doom promised to help Morgan'sforces if she would aid in rescuing his mother's
soul from hell, yet the uneasy alliance endedin betrayal on both sides, creating an enduring
enmity. Morgan nonetheless taught Doom muchabout sorcery, and the two maintained a recurrent
tangled relationship across time. sometimesas lovers, other times as bitter enemies. They
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even produced a daughter, Caroline Le Fay. Youcan learn more about Dr. Doom in his duel against
Superman. Morgan later tapped into the magicof the Asgardian artifact known as the Twilight
Sword, which she used to reshape reality, forginga medieval-style Earth with herself as its
sole ruler, presiding over Earth's mightiestheroes. She also raised armies of the dead,
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enslaved powerful beings like the Scarlet Witch,and attempted to resurrect the sunken continent
of Atlantis, mistaking it for her fabled Avalon.From the past, she later fought Norman Osborn's
Dark Avengers with an army of demons. Althoughthe Dark Avengers destroyed her several times
in that confrontation, she kept resurrectingherself in the past into the present until
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Doctor Doom and Iron Patriot traveled back toher timeline and magically exiled her. into
her own dark cauldron. Even that proved temporaryhowever as Morgan's daughter Caroline retrieved
her from the cauldron and Morgan raised undeadarmies throughout Europe bringing her into
conflict with the Avengers yet again. She laterattempted to conquer Camelot which Merlin transported
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into the realm of Avalon and she fought againstCaptain Britton and his sister Betsy Braddock.
She put Captain Britton under her spell forcingBetsy to don his amulet of right artifact to
become the new Captain Britain, which you canlearn more about in our Uncle Sam vs Captain
Britain Duel episode. And that's her backstory.Powers-wise, Morgan Le Fay is an accomplished
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sorceress with a vast array of mystical abilitiesthat include reality warping, magical time
travel, necromancy, self-resurrection, flight,shape-shifting, transmutation, energy manipulation,
illusion casting, astral projection, and andduplication. Her one weakness due to her fairy
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heritage is the metal of iron. And that's herbackstory. I guess I should say that Cersei
has a weakness as well. And that is an herbknown as Molly, I think. Like ecstasy? It's
gotta be. I don't know. Well, so convenientof you to leave that out of her backstory.
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I'm pretty sure it's harder to find this herbthan it is fucking iron. That's ridiculous.
Who knows? Molly's everywhere these days. Staysafe, kids.
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where we settle the debate and settle the score.
Well now that we've got their histories andabilities out of the way, let's speculate on
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how one of the 1000 simulated matches will go.The winner is determined by simulations, not
this speculation, but it's fun to imagine howthe fight could play out. AJ and NK, what are
the rules of our speculation? Well, I shouldsay there are no rules, other than the characters
have no prior knowledge of the other going intothe fight. All they are aware of starting out
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is that the other character is a threat thatneeds to be eliminated. For the speculation,
the contestants will begin approximately 50meters apart in a non-descript environment
that will have no bearing on the match itself,as no environmental statistics are considered
in my simulations. The contestants must earnvictory on their own merit. Alright, then let's
get into it. Cersei and Morgan Le Fay meet onthe battlefield. Who goes first? Morgan Le
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Fay, she usually wears jewelry, right? Likea necklace? Mmm... Like a skull necklace? Yeah.
Okay. Well, I'm going to say that Cersei startsby transforming that skull necklace into like
this snake creature that just chokes and bitesher. All right. OK, well, before the snake
bites her, Morgan Lafay transforms it into achain, which she, you know, unfurls from around
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her neck and she casts across the battlefieldover to Cersei and binds her up with it. And
it transports her into this dark dungeon. insidea medieval castle. What is this chain made
of? Is it iron? No, like, I don't know. It'sfucking made out of lead or something. Okay,
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just checking. In this medieval dungeon, Cersei,she's just gonna blast off her chains, her
shackles or whatever, with these purple magicbolts. And once she's free, she's also gonna
blast Morgan with those bolts as well. Exceptthat in this dungeon, Morgan Le Fay has like
this skeleton army guarding her. that takesthe brunt of this magical blast. And she uses
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the fallen skeleton army bodies and she reformsthem into this massive bone dragon that just
blasts down a flame of green eldritch fire thatengulfs her sea and burns her alive. Forest
field, all right? Magical forest field. It blocksthose flames. And while she's protecting herself.
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Cersei is going to take the stones that makeup the walls of the dungeon around her and
use them to form a giant rock minotaur thatjust dashes straight into the dragon scattering
its bones everywhere and then the minotaur isgonna look at Morgan Lafay and he's gonna charge
into her just impaling her on its horns Exceptas the minotaur rushes at Morgan Lafay It's
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gonna pass through this like time spell that'sgonna de-age this rock Minotaur until, you
know, it's just a Minotaur rock calf baby. Andit stumbles and falls onto the ground into
like a bunch of little pebbles, okay? And eachof those are gonna get transposed into this
fairy being. And now Morgan Le Fay is in commandof this fairy army, and she's gonna send them
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out like a legion of kamikaze pilots that justtear through Cersei. Like a barrage of glowing
magical bullets. Oh damn, okay. Like Tinkerbells.Yeah. All right, so Cersei, she's being pummeled
by these fairy bullets and she's still in thisdamn dungeon. So she's just gonna teleport
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out of there and from outside of whatever medievalcastle they were just in, she's gonna cause
an earthquake beneath it that just brings thewhole castle crumbling down on top of Morgan.
Okay, so. Morgan gets buried by Castle Lafay,but from the rubble, she's gonna sprout this
massive plant with like a flower bulb from whichshe emerges safe and sound and she commands
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the roots of this plant to emerge from the groundand wrap up Cersei with all these vines that
drain her of her power until she's just a husk.Okay, but as these roots are approaching Cersei,
that gives her an iron touch, you know, kindof like Midas's golden touch, but with iron,
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all right? So this plant that Morgan was insideof is now just an iron trap that burns her
to death, giving Cersei the win. I said sheemerged from the plant. Okay, but not in time.
Okay, well, except that the giant plant thatCersei tried to turn into iron, it actually
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turns out that the plant Molly, the herb, whichdisrupts Cersei's magic. So it doesn't turn
to iron. It turns into this like impure metalthat Cersei just thinks is iron. But it's actually
like some kind of like Molly metal compound.We'll say molybdenum, okay? Molybdenum. What?
All right. And Morgan Le Fay crafts a giantsword out of this metal that she swings at
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Cersei and it decapitates her, ending this match.How the heck did Morgan even know Cersei was
weak to Molly? Well, how did Cersei know thatMorgan Le Fay was weak to Iron? Dude, Cersei
is like a lot older than Morgan. She knows allthose Celtic fairies are weak to that shit.
How does she know that Morgan's like a fairyfolk, like a descendant of that? She doesn't
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know that. And also, like Morgan Le Fay hasbeen around long enough to know by the present
time that like Cersei was... a figure that isweak to the fucking molly herb. Morgan's been
around long enough. Oh, yeah. Morgan's beenaround. All right. Yeah. Marvel villain village
bicycle over here, like you said earlier, checksout. Hey, we don't villain shame around here.
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OK. All right. Well, go ahead and run the statson these characters and find out which scenario
happens. Either Cersei traps Morgan Le Fay inan iron plant that burns her to death. or Morgan
Le Fay creates a molybdenum sword that decapitatesCersei. We'll run the stats and find out who
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came out on top. AJ9K, hit it. Inputting data,running calculations, processing results, simulations
complete. All right, these sorceresses werepretty close in their statistics. There were
just a few instances in which they deferred.Like we said that- Morgan Le Fay was faster
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primarily because, you know, the official Marvelpower grid said that she was faster, I think
because she can transport her consciousnessthrough time and space. Whereas Cersei, you
know, sticks to the present. Right, but we didgive the edge to Cersei when it came to fighting
skill because she actually throws hands withWonder Woman on occasion, whereas Morgan Le
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Fay really never fights physically. Right, yeah,never. Regarding the rest of the stats, they
were actually similar. Like, they're prettymuch identical, especially when it comes to
abasiveness, durability, strength. Actually,we did say that Cersei was a little bit stronger
than Morgan Le Fay physically. Right, yes, buteverything else was the same. So taking all
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of this data into consideration, Joseph, whodo you think came out on top? Morgan Le Fay?
That's not even a question. Don't even ask me.Morgan Le Fay. I literally just asked you.
Well, Don't do that again. And I don't evenwant to know what the Instagram followers say.
71% of them picked Cersei to win, so they'reobviously biased. Actually, I've been looking
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back at the Instagram polls, like a majorityof them have come out DC recently, which is
fascinating and awesome. And lame. What thefuck is going on there? We have way too many
DC fans following us on Instagram. We need moreMarvel guys on there. Well, let's check out
the actual winning percentage. AJ9K the resultsplease. Here you are, sir.. The winner of the matchup
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between Circe and Morgan Le Fay is... Circeby 59.6% compared to Morgan Le Fay's 40.4%
which means she only wins 404 of the 1000 simulatedmatches compared to Circe's 596. Well, I'm
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going to call it bullshit. on those results,even if it affects our credibility. I'm going
to call bullshit. Why? Because I don't likeit. When it came down to it. Yes, Morgan Le
Fay was faster, but she couldn't outmatch Circe'sstrength and fighting skill. You can say that,
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but it's still not going to make me accept it.Oh, look, everyone, Joseph doesn't want to
accept reality. I accept my reality. OK. Youcan take your reality. That's good for you.
I accept that for you. And then I'll just takemy reality where Morgan LeFay wins. Yeah. Ooh,
sorry, but the numbers do not lie. That doesnot work. Sucks to suck, but that does it for
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this duel. AJ9K, help close this out. Thanksfor listening to Dynamic Duel. Visit the show's
website at dynamicDuel.com and follow us onInstagram at dynamicDuelpodcast. You can support
the show on Patreon at patreon.com slash dynamicDueland joining a tier that works for you, or by
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forget to listen to the other shows in the DynamitePodcast Network, including Max Destruction,
Senjou World and Konsole Kombat. In our nextepisode, we are doing a duel that was chosen
by our executive producer, Mickey Math and Gian,and that is Blockbuster versus Tombstone. Yeah,
Tombstone is a prominent Spider-Man villain.And Blockbuster was a old video rental store
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from the 90s. Tombstone's a pizza, bro. Butthat is for this episode. We want to give a
big thanks to our executive producers, Ken Johnson,John Sturowski, Zachary Hepburn. Dustin Balcom,
Mickey Muthengian, Brandon Estergard, NathanielWagner, Levi Yeaton, Austin Wyslowski, AJ Dunkerley,
Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spies, DeanMolesky, Devin Davis, Joseph Kersting, Josh
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Leiner, Mike Williams, and Oscar Galvez forhelping make this podcast possible. And we'll
talk to you guys next week. Up up and away,true believers. Not Joseph having too many
drinks before recording this episode and slurringhis words like a dental patient. Damn.
This is a DynaMic Network podcast.
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Welcome to the dynamic duel podcast a weeklyshow where we review superhero films and debate
the superiority between Marvel and DC By comparingtheir characters in stat-based battle simulations
I'm marvelous Joe and I'm his twin brother JohnnyDC and in this episode we're gonna find out
who would win in a fight between Morgan Le Fayand Cersei being a Greek mythological figure
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and Morgan Le Fay being an Arthurian legendcharacter. Right, and Cersei of course is a
Wonder Woman villain. Morgan and Le Fay is Ithink an Avengers villain, is that right? Well,
she's an Avengers villain, she's a Black Knightvillain, she's also a Doctor Strange villain.
She's a general Marvel villain, and she's prettypowerful, so I'm pretty sure that Cersei is
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going down. So what you're saying is she's likethe Marvel villain village bicycle? Sure, sure,
whatever. I mean, if you're familiar with Arthurianlegend, you might not disagree with that statement.
Sweet! Can't wait for this match! Before that,we're going to get into the latest comic book
movie news of which we only have one news itemthis week, and that is that Ulrich Thompson
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is going to play Sinestro in the HBO Lanternseries. Who the hell is that guy? We'll find
out later on. As always, we list our segmenttimes in our episode description, so feel free
to check out the show notes if you want to skipahead to a particular topic. Guys, our artificially
intelligent Duel simulator AJ9K has a quickmessage for our listeners, so listen up. Why
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everyone who supports the podcast. Be sure totune in to the other shows in the Dynamite
Podcast Network this week including Max Destructionwhich pits your favorite action heroes from
film and television against each other. Thisweek, hosts Scotty and Gilly are finding out
who would win in a fight between Spawn and Hellboy.That's going to be a great match. On the Senjoh World
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podcast, host Zachary Hepburn speculates onfights between fan favorite anime and manga
characters. This week, Zach's finding out whowould win in a battle between Sung-Jin Woo
of Solo Leveling and Sid Kaganu of The Eminencein Shadow. And sorry if I butchered those names.
And on the Konsole Kombat podcast, hosts Johnand Dean simulate battles between popular video
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game characters. In yesterday's episode, theyfound out who would win in a fight between
Zangief from Street Fighter and Wolf from VirtuaFighter. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click
the link in our show notes. to listen to allof the shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network.
But with that out of the way, quick to the noprize. A no prize is an award that Marvel used
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to give out to fans. Our version, the DynamicDuel No Prize, is a digital award that we post
on Instagram for the person we feel gave thebest answer to our question of the week. Last
week, we asked you guys, what Marvel or DC televisionseries are you most looking forward to? in
2025. And we got a number of answers, but wehave three honorable mentions to go through
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as well as the no prize winner. Our first honorablemention goes to Michael Williams, who said,
But Marvel TV show I'm looking forward to isWonder Man. I know that they are fictional
characters and I'm not a big fan of gender swappingor race swapping, but that's the world we live
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in. So it'd be interesting to see. how they'regoing to do these characters, backstory, change
it up, and introduce them into the Marvel Universe.Yeah, I feel like Wonder Man is the Marvel
project that we know the least about currently,probably because it's not coming out until
the end of 2025, but it has a great cast inYaya Abdul-Mateen II, who has had a number
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of comic book roles under his belt, and alsolike from the vague, preview of sorts that
we got from the last D23 event. It looks fairlyinteresting. It focuses heavily on the Hollywood
system, but Michael Williams as a superheroin Marvel is an actor and taking that route
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is something that we haven't seen before. Soat the very least, it's gonna give us something
new. I'm excited just to get a Wonder Man series.I've never liked the name Wonder Man because
it's just way too close to Wonder Woman. Butthe character otherwise is pretty cool. Absolutely.
Yeah, if you guys want to learn more about WonderMan, listen to our duel episode where we pit
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him against Captain Adam. He's a great character.Thanks, Michael Williams. Our next honorable
mention goes to Lee Tapscott, who said, Hi,this is Lee Tapscott. What Marvel or DC show
am I most looking forward to? Marvel zombies.In this show, I'm hoping that they follow Spider-Man.
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as he is traumatized by killing his family andbeing the hero that he once was. Will he overcome
the constant hunger and keep killing or willhe find a way to stop the zombies? Dude, same.
And if you've read the Marvel zombies comicbooks and followed the Spider-Man arc as far
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as that goes, it's truly fascinating, especiallylike when he eats Sandman. It's kind of disturbing.
I don't know if the Marvel Zombies televisionshow will go that route, but there's definitely
a lot of interesting areas to explore when itcomes to Spider-Man and the Marvel Zombies.
Like is he gonna eat Aunt May or Mary Jane andall that stuff? We'll see if it follows the
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comic books by watching the show when it comesout close to Halloween this year. Yeah, we
broke down the storyline of Marvel Zombies inour Deceased vs. Marvel Zombies episode. So...
Don't listen to that if you don't want to bespoiled as to what happens or could happen
on the show. That was a fun episode. Thank you,Lee. Our final honorable mention goes to McGee
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Mathengian, who said, Hey, what's up, guys?This is McGee. And the show I'm looking forward
to the most this year is My Adventures withSuperman Season 3. Now, I know it hasn't been
confirmed or anything, but hopefully we getit this year. Me and my girlfriend have been
watching it. We actually just finished. likeI've already seen it but I was watching it
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with her so it was her first time watching itseason two like season one and two um a couple
of weeks ago and she loved it and so it's kindof like our show now so my adventures with
Superman is probably one of the best modernadaptations of the character of Superman to
ever come out yeah totally I have yet to hearanyone say that they dislike this series even
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people who don't like the character of Supermanseem to like this series which makes me Superman
is DC's flagship character. And if there's onecharacter you need to get right, it's Superman.
Yeah, hopefully James Gunn's iteration of Supermanin his live action movie coming out this summer
matches the quality of the character that isportrayed in this series. It needs to. And
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hopefully Miggi could go see that movie withhis girlfriend who is totally real. Ha ha ha.
But special thanks to Daniel Alonso, Jess andBetty. Mason Thompson and Travis Herndon for
calling in with their answer this week. Butthe winner of this week's no prize is Jonathan
and not Johnny DC, but a different Jonathan.He said, Hey, my name is John and my most anticipated
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show for 2025 is obviously Daredevil for obviousreasons. But Peacemaker season two is going
to be a close second because that show is awesome.And Creature Commando season two would have
been there too. But there's no way they cancrank out a season two this year. But those
are my Most anticipated picks. Shout out PeacemakerSeason Two for sure. All right, Jonathan, it
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comes down to this. What series is gonna bebetter in 2025? Daredevil Born Again or Peacemaker
Season Two? Peacemaker Season Two. Oh, that'sthe wrong answer. The correct answer was Daredevil
Born Again. Sorry. Try again next time. I dothink Daredevil Born Again is going to be a
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fantastic show. Just based on the trailer, itlooks like it's going to be as good as the
seasons that Netflix put out. At least I'm hopingthat's the case. I'm also really looking forward
to Peacemaker Season 2 as well. Although I haveto say, it's not my most anticipated series
of this year from DC. That would probably begoing to Sandman Season 2 if that comes out
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this year. It may not. Yeah. That whole NeilGaiman thing is just kind of a... Shit show.
Yeah, it's friggin' really weird. But no, Ilove Peacemaker season one, and Peacemaker
season two is definitely high on my list ofshows this year. So congrats to Jonathan for
winning this week's No Prize. If you the listenerwant a shot at winning your own No Prize, stay
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tuned to later on this episode when we'll beasking another question of the week. But now
that that's done, on to the news.
Alright, last week Deadline confirmed that UlrichThompson has been cast as Sinestro for the
upcoming HBO series, Lanterns. This series ofcourse is set in James Gunn's DCU and it stars
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Aaron Pierre as Jon Stewart and Kyle Chandleras Hal Jordan. Sinestro of course is a major
villain figure in Green Lantern mythology, althoughI'm assuming that by the start of this series,
he will still be a Green Lantern. I have noidea who Ulrich Thompson is. Apparently he
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has been in series like Banshee for Cinemax.He also had a recurring role on The Blacklist
that aired on NBC for a time, as well as counterpartHBO's The Young Pope. He's a Scandinavian actor.
Yeah, I've never seen a guy with so prominenta filmography whom I've never heard of. He
has a good look though for... Sinestro, so I'mhoping he does well. Yeah, looks wise, he looks
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nothing like Mark Strong, who I thought nailedthe look of the character of Sinestro, if not
the behavior in the infamous Green Lantern film.I don't know, this guy, it just doesn't say
Sinestro to me personally. It says maybe likeHitler, who the character of Sinestro was based
on, just like comb his hair to the side andgive him like a mustache. Boom. Sure. I think
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that's what they're going for in this casting.Yeah, I think it'll be interesting how they
treat the character of Sinestro in this showif he starts off as a Green Lantern and then
we see that transition into his more villainouspersona. It always struck me as odd that it's
surprising that a character with the name ofSinestro turns evil. So I wonder how they're
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going to play that off in this series becauseif the actors from Earth aren't like, wait,
this guy... Just say his name is Sinestro. Theyhave to say something about it because otherwise
it's just too awkward. There's some things youcan get away with in the comics that you can't
get away with on screen. I'm sure the guy isa terrific actor. Again, I don't know anything
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about him. But speaking of great villain actors,that brings us to our question of the week.
Which actor has given the best performance ina villain role for a Marvel or DC series? Who's
your favorite villain in a television show forMarvel or DC basically? Record your answer
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at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphonebutton in the bottom right hand corner of the
screen which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail.Your message could be up to 30 seconds long
and don't forget to leave your name in casewe include you on the podcast. We'll pick our
favorite answer. and award that person a dynamicduel no prize that we'll post to Instagram.
Be sure to answer before February 1st.
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But I think that does it for all the news forthis episode, so let's go ahead and get into
our main event where we find out who would winin a fight between the mythological DC character
of Cersei versus the Arthurian legend character,Morgan Le Fay.
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Alright, Cersei versus Morgan Le Fay. This episodeis coming off of Creature Commando Season 1,
in which Cersei played a minor role, but she'sa prominent Wonder Woman villain, so it was
important, I think, to get her in a duel againstone of Marvel's most preeminent sorceress villainesses,
Morgan Le Fay. Was Morgan Le Fay in that oneRenaissance what-if episode? Oh, what-if 1602?
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She was not. But Morgan Le Fay has played aprominent live action role in the Runaway season
three, where she was played actually by ElizabethHurley. So she's kind of a big deal. Oh, Elizabeth
Hurley, huh? Yeah. Cersei would be so lucky.I am not even gonna debate you on that, because
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I agree. Yeah, Cersei was pretty cool in CreatureCommando season one. I really hope though that
she eventually plays a role as the primary villain.of a Wonder Woman live action movie. Well I'm
hoping that she's going to pop up in the ParadiseLost television series that was announced for
the DCU about the island of the Mascara andthe Amazons. Yeah, it would make sense for
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her character to show up there. Yeah, and we'llget into the backstory of Cersei and Morgan
Le Fay, but first to explain the methodologybehind our duels, let's go to our sentient
duel simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ 9K, tellour listeners how you go about determining
a winner. in our Duel matchups.
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Additional stat categories are included suchas range, damage potential, versatility and
perception in order to create a more detailedand accurate simulation. The results of the
1000 simulations provide a percentage of winsfor each character. The contestant with the
higher percentage is declared the victor asthey have a higher probability to win any given
battle. In an equitable pairing, neither charactershould win 100% of the matches. The comic book
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stories have shown that there's even a way forBatman to defeat Superman. So the confidence
rate of my method falls in line with the precedentsthat have been established in the source material.
My mathematical simulations are without subjectivityor bias. Feats are not the sole consideration,
nor are fan votes tabulated for determinationof the winner. Thanks AJ9K! Before we run the
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simulations though, we like to break down eachcharacter's histories and abilities before
improvising a scenario on how we imagine oneof the 1000 simulations would play out beat
for beat. And it's my turn to go first withthe DC characters backstory, so let me tell
you all about Cersei. Now over 1200 years BC,Cersei was born to the Titans Hyperion and
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Persace and raised as the Princess of Colchis,a kingdom in the Caucasus region. Known for
her beauty and cunning, she murdered her weakand unworthy husband, an act that led to her
expulsion from the kingdom. Exiled and seekingpower, Cersei fled to the island of Aiea, where
she began studying the mystical arts and developeda talent for sorcery. While her magic was initially
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limited to the island, she used nearby sirensto lure unsuspecting sailors and travelers,
transforming them into animals as punishmentfor their intrusion and to perfect her powers.
Her prayers for greater power reached the Greekgoddess Hecate, the goddess of witchcraft and
an Olympian outcast who sought revenge againstthe gods who had wronged her. Hecate offered
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Cersei a pact, immortality, eternal beauty,and immense magical power in exchange for her
soul. When Cersei accepted, Hecate transferredher essence into the sorceress, dying in the
process by uttering a chilling prophecy, uponthe death of which and the birth of which,
Hecate, by name and choice, shall repossessher soul. Initially unconcerned by the prophecy,
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Cersei reveled in her newfound abilities, usingthem to raise Colchis in a single day. She
became infamous for her power to transform humansinto animals, creating subservient bestiomorphs,
sometimes called animin, bound to her will.Empowered by Hecate's hatred of the gods, Cersei
relished in fostering discord between men andwomen, sowing mistrust and animosity wherever
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she went. She became wary, however, when theAmazons, warrior women blessed by the Olympian
gods, were created. Ares, the god of war, assuredCersei that the Amazons would fall under his
schemes, however, and she initially allowedhim to act unchallenged. You can learn more
about Ares in our Ares vs Loki duel episode.When Hercules enslaved the Amazons, Cersei
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took advantage of the situation to create adivision amongst the group by manipulating
Ariadne. into murdering Antiochus, the sisterof Apollita, who had brokered peace with Athens.
This act resulted in a rift between the ThemiscerianAmazons and the newly formed Bona-Migdala tribe,
fulfilling Cersei's aim to weaken their unity.For centuries, Cersei remained on Aaea, orchestrating
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chaos and destruction from afar when it suitedher. By modern times, she had retreated to
her island as an enigmatic recluse. But whenWonder Woman appeared in Man's World, Cersei
was surprised that Amazons had survived, asall traces of them had vanished for hundreds
of years. You can learn more about Wonder Womanin our Wonder Woman vs. Thor episode. Fearing
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Diana was the fulfillment of Hecate's prophecy,she plotted to destroy her, but feared direct
confrontation. Cersei's attempt to revert Dianaback into clay failed when the Greek gods intervened,
but her obsession with the Amazon Princess endured.Cersei's hatred for the Amazons led her to
instigate a war of the gods between the Greek,Roman, and Egyptian pantheons in an effort
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to sap their power for herself. Cersei alignedherself with the Banu-Migdhal Amazons, using
them as pawns in her effort to discredit WonderWoman and the Themyscirans. Her plan reached
their apex when she killed Wonder Woman by finallyreverting her into the clay from which she
had been formed. However, with the aid of theSpectre and the Phantom Stranger... Wonder
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Woman was resurrected and Cersei's plot unraveled.Hecate's soul abandoned Cersei during the battle,
leaving her seemingly defeated. Following herfailure in the War of the Gods, Cersei turned
on her Bonamigdol Amazons, casting them andthe Themyscaryans into a demon-infested dimension.
The Amazons spent years fighting for survival.When Wonder Woman confronted her, Cersei was
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forced to return the island to its originallocation after losing a wager with the Amazon
Princess. In one of her most insidious schemes,Cersei disguised herself as Donna Milton, a
lawyer who befriended Diana to destroy her fromwithin. Cersei cast a spell on herself to suppress
her memories of her true identity, ensuringthe Donna Milton persona would remain genuine
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and immune to one romance lasso of truth. Underthe skies, she became romantically involved
with Ares Buchanan. the mortal guise of thegod Ares, and gave birth to their daughter,
Leda Milton. Eventually, Diana realized Donna'strue nature, and though Cersei's memories returned,
she found herself emotionally conflicted dueto her new attachment to Diana as Donna Milton.
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In a rare act of selflessness, she saved Dianaduring a confrontation with a villain known
as the White Magician. Cersei later struck adeal with the demon Neuron to increase her
magical power. She joined Lex Luthor's InjusticeGang, attempting to destroy the Justice League
by turning its members against one another.She clashed with Wonder Woman repeatedly, including
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during an attack on New York City, where shetransformed male superheroes into beast geomorphs,
and transformed Superman into a doomsday-likemonster to kill Wonder Woman. Later, Cersei
empowered Wonder Woman's rogues, including Cheetah,Giganta, and Dr. Psycho, to test the Amazons'
resolve. She stole Wonder Woman's powers duringthis period and declared herself the new Wonder
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Woman. However, Diana eventually regained herabilities, defeated Cersei, and banished her
once again. In post-Flashpoint continuity, Cerseiwas reimagined as a red-haired bearer of the
Witch Mark, which signified her possession ofa fragment of Hecate's soul. in a plot to manipulate
Superman into fighting Wonder Woman, the combinedefforts of Superman and Wonder Woman thwarted
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her plans. Cersei later became entangled withVeronica Cale, an entrepreneur seeking vengeance
against the Sons of Ares for kidnapping herdaughter. Together, they trapped Phobos and
Deimos, the twin Sons of Ares, in animal forms.Cersei deduced that Cale's daughter was being
held on Themyscira, but refused to help further,fearing the consequences of freeing Ares. When
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Hecate sought to reclaim her soul through theWitchmarks, Cersei manipulated events to inherit
Hecate's full power. She pretended to assistWonder Woman and the Justice League Dark in
fighting Hecate, but secretly sought to destroyher patron. Her plan succeeded, and with Hecate's
death, Cersei became the new Goddess of Magic.She formed the Injustice League Dark, recruiting
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powerful magical beings to challenge WonderHowever, her plans were thwarted when Diana
used the power of Eclipso to defeat her. Ratherthan destroy Cersei, Diana imprisoned her in
a magical mirror, allowing her to retain hernewfound power, but barring her from using
it against others. That's Cersei's backstory.Power-wise, Cersei is a goddess-level sorceress
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with vast magical power. Her abilities includematter and energy manipulation, reality alteration,
and teleportation. She's best known for transforminghumans into beast geomorphs, which are animal-like
beings under her control. She can project destructivemagical blasts, erect defensive shields, and
summon creatures to do her bidding. Cersei'simmortality prevents her from aging, and she
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is highly resistant to physical harm. She alsohas limited clairvoyance, allowing her to foresee
events and sense the presence of other immortals.And that's Cersei! I think the most surprising
thing there is that my knowledge of the mythologicalCersei was primarily from the Odyssey, but
the fact that the Amazonians came after theevents of that story was interesting. Well,
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not necessarily, because she had been on theisland of Aya for a while, even after the Amazons,
so she stayed there. Alright, so I thought Ihad the Amazons chronologically placed in a
certain time, but yeah, it's pretty vague, Iguess, when they started. Greek Myth! is not
as interesting as Arthurian legend. So, oh,what? You heard me. That's right. Let me go
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ahead and get into the Arthurian legend thatis Morgan Le Fay. Now, Morgan Le Fay was born
in the magical Celtic realm of Avalon duringthe sixth century days of Camelot. She's the
daughter of a grain, the sea princess, and anunknown father of fairy lineage. A young sorcerer
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from Avalon named Merlin forewarned of a greatcatastrophe that would befall Egraine's kingdom
and helped the mother and daughter flee to Earth'srealm in Britain. There Merlin arranged for
Egraine to marry Gorloi, Duke of Tintagel whoadopted the young Morgan. King Uther Pendragon
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of England lusted after Egraine and killed Gorloi,taking Morgan's mother as his own bride. When
Negrane birthed them a son, Morgan became thehalf-sister of Arthur Pendragon, whom Merlin
had prophesied would become the greatest kingof Britain. Merlin trained Morgan Le Fay in
sorcery as she grew up, and she became his apprenticeand later lover. though the alliance soon unraveled
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when she grew furious with his apparent abandonmentof their relationship in favor of King Arthur's
reign and the spread of Christianity, sinceMorrigan was a disciple of the old Druidic
ways of Britain. She had resented King Arthurfrom the moment of his birth, and allied herself
with his bastard son and her nephew, Mordred,often conspiring with him against both Camelot
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and Arthur himself. Morgan's long rivalry withMerlin intensified, given his role as royal
advisor and enforcer against her plots. Sheoccasionally resided at Castle Le Fay, which
was gifted to her by Arthur in his attemptsto keep peace, but she continued to undermine
him from within. In her early forays into blackmagic, Morgan led a cult who worshipped the
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elder god Chthon, the god of chaos. She assembledand helped bind his scattered scrolls into
a single tome known as the Darkhold. Unfortunatelyfor her, the summon to C'thun proved too powerful
to control, so Morgan and her followers boundhim within Wundergorm Mountain. You can learn
more about C'thun and Wundergorm Mountain inour Zatanna vs Scarlet Witch One of her disciples,
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Magnus, eventually saw the evil in her waysand stole the Darkhold to prevent Morrigan
from abusing its contents. She slew Magnus inretaliation, but lost her access to the book's
dark secrets. Her conflicts with Arthur oftencentered on the sword Excalibur, which she
tried to sabotage by striking a chip from thereal blade and forging a hellish replica. She
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resented Lancelot. one of the Knights of theRound Table for spurring her affections, and
she eventually exposed Lancelot's affair withArthur's Queen Guinevere, fracturing the Court
of Camelot from within and helping incite thecivil war that spelled Arthur's downfall. As
these events reached their climax, Merlin intervenedrepeatedly, eventually having Morgan imprisoned
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with a powerful enchantment, though she managedto project her astral form beyond physical
throughout time. When Mordred gravely woundedhis father, the king, Morgan's astral form
transported Arthur's soul to Avalon, yet herhatred of his legacy of Camelot endured, and
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she continued her quest for greater power fromwithin her imprisonment. She was particularly
determined to retrieve the Darkhold in futurecenturies, believing it could finally free
her from Merlin's longstanding bindings andallow her to rule unrestricted. Over centuries,
Morgan repeatedly manifested in eras beyondher original timeline. In the modern age, she
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often confronted heroes such as Doctor Strangeand the Avengers. She tried to possess people
to bypass her constraints, including the heroineSpider-Woman, aka Jessica Drew, whose body
she temporarily took control of. Morgan alsoclashed with Iron Man. whom she met when Dr.
Doom time traveled back to her era and strucka deal with her in exchange for knowledge of
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the dark arts. Doom promised to help Morgan'sforces if she would aid in rescuing his mother's
soul from hell, yet the uneasy alliance endedin betrayal on both sides, creating an enduring
enmity. Morgan nonetheless taught Doom muchabout sorcery, and the two maintained a recurrent
tangled relationship across time. sometimesas lovers, other times as bitter enemies. They
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even produced a daughter, Caroline Le Fay. Youcan learn more about Dr. Doom in his duel against
Superman. Morgan later tapped into the magicof the Asgardian artifact known as the Twilight
Sword, which she used to reshape reality, forginga medieval-style Earth with herself as its
sole ruler, presiding over Earth's mightiestheroes. She also raised armies of the dead,
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enslaved powerful beings like the Scarlet Witch,and attempted to resurrect the sunken continent
of Atlantis, mistaking it for her fabled Avalon.From the past, she later fought Norman Osborn's
Dark Avengers with an army of demons. Althoughthe Dark Avengers destroyed her several times
in that confrontation, she kept resurrectingherself in the past into the present until
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Doctor Doom and Iron Patriot traveled back toher timeline and magically exiled her. into
her own dark cauldron. Even that proved temporaryhowever as Morgan's daughter Caroline retrieved
her from the cauldron and Morgan raised undeadarmies throughout Europe bringing her into
conflict with the Avengers yet again. She laterattempted to conquer Camelot which Merlin transported
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into the realm of Avalon and she fought againstCaptain Britton and his sister Betsy Braddock.
She put Captain Britton under her spell forcingBetsy to don his amulet of right artifact to
become the new Captain Britain, which you canlearn more about in our Uncle Sam vs Captain
Britain Duel episode. And that's her backstory.Powers-wise, Morgan Le Fay is an accomplished
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sorceress with a vast array of mystical abilitiesthat include reality warping, magical time
travel, necromancy, self-resurrection, flight,shape-shifting, transmutation, energy manipulation,
illusion casting, astral projection, and andduplication. Her one weakness due to her fairy
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heritage is the metal of iron. And that's herbackstory. I guess I should say that Cersei
has a weakness as well. And that is an herbknown as Molly, I think. Like ecstasy? It's
gotta be. I don't know. Well, so convenientof you to leave that out of her backstory.
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I'm pretty sure it's harder to find this herbthan it is fucking iron. That's ridiculous.
Who knows? Molly's everywhere these days. Staysafe, kids.
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where we settle the debate and settle the score.
Well now that we've got their histories andabilities out of the way, let's speculate on
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how one of the 1000 simulated matches will go.The winner is determined by simulations, not
this speculation, but it's fun to imagine howthe fight could play out. AJ and NK, what are
the rules of our speculation? Well, I shouldsay there are no rules, other than the characters
have no prior knowledge of the other going intothe fight. All they are aware of starting out
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is that the other character is a threat thatneeds to be eliminated. For the speculation,
the contestants will begin approximately 50meters apart in a non-descript environment
that will have no bearing on the match itself,as no environmental statistics are considered
in my simulations. The contestants must earnvictory on their own merit. Alright, then let's
get into it. Cersei and Morgan Le Fay meet onthe battlefield. Who goes first? Morgan Le
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Fay, she usually wears jewelry, right? Likea necklace? Mmm... Like a skull necklace? Yeah.
Okay. Well, I'm going to say that Cersei startsby transforming that skull necklace into like
this snake creature that just chokes and bitesher. All right. OK, well, before the snake
bites her, Morgan Lafay transforms it into achain, which she, you know, unfurls from around
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her neck and she casts across the battlefieldover to Cersei and binds her up with it. And
it transports her into this dark dungeon. insidea medieval castle. What is this chain made
of? Is it iron? No, like, I don't know. It'sfucking made out of lead or something. Okay,
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just checking. In this medieval dungeon, Cersei,she's just gonna blast off her chains, her
shackles or whatever, with these purple magicbolts. And once she's free, she's also gonna
blast Morgan with those bolts as well. Exceptthat in this dungeon, Morgan Le Fay has like
this skeleton army guarding her. that takesthe brunt of this magical blast. And she uses
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the fallen skeleton army bodies and she reformsthem into this massive bone dragon that just
blasts down a flame of green eldritch fire thatengulfs her sea and burns her alive. Forest
field, all right? Magical forest field. It blocksthose flames. And while she's protecting herself.
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Cersei is going to take the stones that makeup the walls of the dungeon around her and
use them to form a giant rock minotaur thatjust dashes straight into the dragon scattering
its bones everywhere and then the minotaur isgonna look at Morgan Lafay and he's gonna charge
into her just impaling her on its horns Exceptas the minotaur rushes at Morgan Lafay It's
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gonna pass through this like time spell that'sgonna de-age this rock Minotaur until, you
know, it's just a Minotaur rock calf baby. Andit stumbles and falls onto the ground into
like a bunch of little pebbles, okay? And eachof those are gonna get transposed into this
fairy being. And now Morgan Le Fay is in commandof this fairy army, and she's gonna send them
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out like a legion of kamikaze pilots that justtear through Cersei. Like a barrage of glowing
magical bullets. Oh damn, okay. Like Tinkerbells.Yeah. All right, so Cersei, she's being pummeled
by these fairy bullets and she's still in thisdamn dungeon. So she's just gonna teleport
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out of there and from outside of whatever medievalcastle they were just in, she's gonna cause
an earthquake beneath it that just brings thewhole castle crumbling down on top of Morgan.
Okay, so. Morgan gets buried by Castle Lafay,but from the rubble, she's gonna sprout this
massive plant with like a flower bulb from whichshe emerges safe and sound and she commands
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the roots of this plant to emerge from the groundand wrap up Cersei with all these vines that
drain her of her power until she's just a husk.Okay, but as these roots are approaching Cersei,
that gives her an iron touch, you know, kindof like Midas's golden touch, but with iron,
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all right? So this plant that Morgan was insideof is now just an iron trap that burns her
to death, giving Cersei the win. I said sheemerged from the plant. Okay, but not in time.
Okay, well, except that the giant plant thatCersei tried to turn into iron, it actually
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turns out that the plant Molly, the herb, whichdisrupts Cersei's magic. So it doesn't turn
to iron. It turns into this like impure metalthat Cersei just thinks is iron. But it's actually
like some kind of like Molly metal compound.We'll say molybdenum, okay? Molybdenum. What?
All right. And Morgan Le Fay crafts a giantsword out of this metal that she swings at
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Cersei and it decapitates her, ending this match.How the heck did Morgan even know Cersei was
weak to Molly? Well, how did Cersei know thatMorgan Le Fay was weak to Iron? Dude, Cersei
is like a lot older than Morgan. She knows allthose Celtic fairies are weak to that shit.
How does she know that Morgan's like a fairyfolk, like a descendant of that? She doesn't
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know that. And also, like Morgan Le Fay hasbeen around long enough to know by the present
time that like Cersei was... a figure that isweak to the fucking molly herb. Morgan's been
around long enough. Oh, yeah. Morgan's beenaround. All right. Yeah. Marvel villain village
bicycle over here, like you said earlier, checksout. Hey, we don't villain shame around here.
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OK. All right. Well, go ahead and run the statson these characters and find out which scenario
happens. Either Cersei traps Morgan Le Fay inan iron plant that burns her to death. or Morgan
Le Fay creates a molybdenum sword that decapitatesCersei. We'll run the stats and find out who
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came out on top. AJ9K, hit it. Inputting data,running calculations, processing results, simulations
complete. All right, these sorceresses werepretty close in their statistics. There were
just a few instances in which they deferred.Like we said that- Morgan Le Fay was faster
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primarily because, you know, the official Marvelpower grid said that she was faster, I think
because she can transport her consciousnessthrough time and space. Whereas Cersei, you
know, sticks to the present. Right, but we didgive the edge to Cersei when it came to fighting
skill because she actually throws hands withWonder Woman on occasion, whereas Morgan Le
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Fay really never fights physically. Right, yeah,never. Regarding the rest of the stats, they
were actually similar. Like, they're prettymuch identical, especially when it comes to
abasiveness, durability, strength. Actually,we did say that Cersei was a little bit stronger
than Morgan Le Fay physically. Right, yes, buteverything else was the same. So taking all
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of this data into consideration, Joseph, whodo you think came out on top? Morgan Le Fay?
That's not even a question. Don't even ask me.Morgan Le Fay. I literally just asked you.
Well, Don't do that again. And I don't evenwant to know what the Instagram followers say.
71% of them picked Cersei to win, so they'reobviously biased. Actually, I've been looking
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back at the Instagram polls, like a majorityof them have come out DC recently, which is
fascinating and awesome. And lame. What thefuck is going on there? We have way too many
DC fans following us on Instagram. We need moreMarvel guys on there. Well, let's check out
the actual winning percentage. AJ9K the resultsplease. Here you are, sir.. The winner of the matchup
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between Circe and Morgan Le Fay is... Circeby 59.6% compared to Morgan Le Fay's 40.4%
which means she only wins 404 of the 1000 simulatedmatches compared to Circe's 596. Well, I'm
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going to call it bullshit. on those results,even if it affects our credibility. I'm going
to call bullshit. Why? Because I don't likeit. When it came down to it. Yes, Morgan Le
Fay was faster, but she couldn't outmatch Circe'sstrength and fighting skill. You can say that,
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but it's still not going to make me accept it.Oh, look, everyone, Joseph doesn't want to
accept reality. I accept my reality. OK. Youcan take your reality. That's good for you.
I accept that for you. And then I'll just takemy reality where Morgan LeFay wins. Yeah. Ooh,
sorry, but the numbers do not lie. That doesnot work. Sucks to suck, but that does it for
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this duel. AJ9K, help close this out. Thanksfor listening to Dynamic Duel. Visit the show's
website at dynamicDuel.com and follow us onInstagram at dynamicDuelpodcast. You can support
the show on Patreon at patreon.com slash dynamicDueland joining a tier that works for you, or by
rating and reviewing Dynamic Duel on Apple Podcasts,Spotify, Podchaser or on our website. Don't
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forget to listen to the other shows in the DynamitePodcast Network, including Max Destruction,
Senjou World and Konsole Kombat. In our nextepisode, we are doing a duel that was chosen
by our executive producer, Mickey Math and Gian,and that is Blockbuster versus Tombstone. Yeah,
Tombstone is a prominent Spider-Man villain.And Blockbuster was a old video rental store
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from the 90s. Tombstone's a pizza, bro. Butthat is for this episode. We want to give a
big thanks to our executive producers, Ken Johnson,John Sturowski, Zachary Hepburn. Dustin Balcom,
Mickey Muthengian, Brandon Estergard, NathanielWagner, Levi Yeaton, Austin Wyslowski, AJ Dunkerley,
Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spies, DeanMolesky, Devin Davis, Joseph Kersting, Josh
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Leiner, Mike Williams, and Oscar Galvez forhelping make this podcast possible. And we'll
talk to you guys next week. Up up and away,true believers. Not Joseph having too many
drinks before recording this episode and slurringhis words like a dental patient. Damn.
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