DC vs Marvel

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This is a DynaMic Network Podcast. Hi, welcome tothe DynaMic Duel Podcast, where we review

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superhero films and debate the superioritybetween Marvel and DC by comparing their
characters in stat-based battle simulations.I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin brother Marvelous
Joe. And welcome to the episode of all episodes,the one where we finally determine which universe
would win against the other. DC vs Marvel. It's ourpenultimate episode. That's right, there's only

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one more episode after this one. Jonathan, this isour last duel. How do you feel about that? It's
pretty bittersweet. I'm not going to lie, but I'malso super stoked just for you to find out how bad
Marvel would actually lose in a battle with DC.Well, to be fair, this isn't the entire Marvel
Universe against the entire DC Universe. This is12 of its top main characters against DC's 12 top

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main characters. Right, we're in 2026 now, andthis is the 30th anniversary of the DC vs Marvel
four-part comic mini series that came out in 1996.That was highly influential to us growing up. And
to honor that, we're kind of taking the sameapproach with this final duel. Joseph and I are
brothers, just like the red and blue brothers fromthat mini series. We've picked 12 champions from

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each of our respective worlds, and we're going topit them against each other full force. It is going
to be the team duel to end all team duels. Reallyexcited to share with you guys who I've picked for
my 12-person roster. Before we get into the duel,though, we're going to break down the latest comic
book movie news to come out over the past few weeks,including the Avengers Doomsday teasers, at
least the first three. And the news that SebastianStan and Scarlett Johansson have joined the cast

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of the Batman part two. As always, we list oursegment times in our episode description, so feel
free to check out the show notes if you want to skipahead to a particular topic. Our artificially
intelligent duel simulator, AJ9K, has a quickmessage for our listeners, so listen up. Hello,
these are the final episodes of Dynamic duelsWeekly podcast, leading up to our grand finale on

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January 20th. We hope you've enjoyed the past 10years of Marvel and DC duels and reviews, and we'd
love for you to stick with us as we count down theselast episodes. We're inviting you, the listener,
to help us close out the show by visitingdynamicduel.com over the next few weeks and
clicking the red microphone button in the bottomright corner to leave us a voicemail that we'll
play during the final episode. Tell us what firstgot you into DC or Marvel, how long you've been

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listening, a favorite episode or moment, oranything else you want to share about what the
podcast has meant to you. Your messages will beaired and responded to on the January 20th finale.
Again, head to dynamicduel.com and leave yourfinal message. We would love to hear from you. Pip
pip cheerio. Thanks AJ9K and thanks to everyonewho takes the time to call in and leave a voicemail.

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Guys, this is your last chance to leave a voicemailto ever be featured in the show. So be sure to do
that. Thank you so much to those who do. Yeah, youguys have until tomorrow, January 14th, the day
after this episode drops to call in, you know, letus know how long you've been listening, your
favorite episode or moment, anything else thatyou want to share about what the podcast has meant
to you over the past 10 years. Be sure to tune intothe other shows on the DynaMic Podcast Network

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this week, guys, including Konsole Kombat, wherethey discuss video game battles, max
destruction, where they discuss movie and TVcharacter battles, and Senjoh World, where they
discuss anime character battles. Visitdynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show
notes to listen to all the shows in the DynaMicPodcast Network. But with that out of the way for
the final time, on to the news. Right over the pastfew weeks, we've gotten teaser trailers for the

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upcoming Avengers Doomsday movie that's going tobe coming out in December of 2026. Now, allegedly,
the short little teasers, which are only like 30seconds long, will be leading up to a more official
teaser, but I'm not sure when that's going tohappen. I was actually kind of hoping that Marvel
would drop that before the show ended, because Iwould love to talk about it. Looks like that's not
going to happen. They might be saving the longerteaser for maybe the Super Bowl or something. But

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there have been three of these trailers releasedso far, officially a fourth one was leaked, but I
don't necessarily want to discuss that one in caseanybody hasn't seen it. But the first 30 second
teaser was with Steve Rogers. The big huge revealthere was that Chris Evans is returning as Steve
Rogers in Avengers Doomsday. That was pretty hugenews because he wasn't revealed on that chair

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promo where they revealed all the cast membernames that were going to be within the movie. So
that was pretty cool. Turns out he has a kid withPeggy. I don't know if that's going to be James
Rogers, who was the character that was in thatMarvel Next animated movie. I think that's the
most likely candidate for who that baby is going tobe. Yeah, you figure he would have to have been born
around the middle of the 20th century, right?That's true, actually. I didn't even think about

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that. He likely would have been born around the1950s, 1960s at the latest. So yeah, he's going to
be substantially older by the time the events ofAvengers Doomsday takes place. If they even show
him in the current timeline, right? Like SteveRogers might be plucked out of the timeline where
his kid was born and he doesn't get to see himanymore or something like that. Who knows? The
second 30 second teaser that we got involved Thor,who prays to his father Odin for the strengths to

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fight for his daughter, Love. As much as I don'tlove the character of Love because the movie Love
and Thunder sucked, it is really, really nice toget a more serious Thor back on the screen. A mature
Thor, which is wild because the Thor movies havegotten pretty wacky and almost crude with the
humor. So it's definitely a different take thatthe Russo's have on the character from what we've

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seen in his solo films recently. For sure. Yeah.Big breath of fresh air right there. The third
teaser is probably the one that actually got meexcited because it showcased the return of the
X-Men. We see an elderly Magneto and Professor Xplaying chess in the dilapidated X mansion. At the
end, though, we see James Marsden as Cyclops goingfull on 90s Cyclops X-Men. It's glorious. He's

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shooting an optic blast to the sky. Everything'sred. I'm pumped that they're finally doing
Cyclops justice on the big screen. And to add tothat, it's James Marsden in the role who was really
given the short end of the stick in the previousX-Men franchise. Good for him. The character is
getting his due and the actor is. Totally shows howawesome it is to have Marvel properties with

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Marvel Studios and that having some other studiostry and figure out the characters. Exactly.
Exactly. In addition to the next leaked teaserthat's come out, I think we're going to get one
other teaser allegedly with Doctor Doom. But whoknows, you know, the Internet has tons of rumors
these days. AI doesn't help because I've seen likefour different AI teasers of the leaked one that we

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don't want to spoil. Just trying to find the actualfootage. It's bullshit. I'm getting major legacy
vibes from all of these teasers that we've seenwith Captain America's son, with Thor's
daughter. Yeah, for as final as Avengers Endgamefelt, this Avengers Doomsday movie seems even
more like the lid on an era after Secret War. Whichthank goodness, because everything pretty much

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after Endgame feels like it hasn't really beenconnected in a satisfying way. So if they can sort
of officially pass on the baton in a way that theyweren't able to earlier, I think that'll go a long
way in mending relationships with a lot of fans.For sure. Yeah, just tie everything back together
again. Can't wait for the movie to come out thisDecember. We will be reviewing it. In DC News, we

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learned that Sebastian Stan and ScarlettJohansson have been cast in the Batman Part Two
directed by Matt Reeves and starring RobertPattinson. Now, it's been confirmed that
Sebastian Stan is playing Harvey Dent, a.k .a.potentially Two Face, though we are not yet sure
who Scarlett Johansson is playing. The currentrumors are that she will be playing Gilda Dent, who

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played a major role in the long Halloween comicbook series by Jeff Lowe and Tim Sayle, which I did
not see coming. We've seen Harvey Dent a lot in a lotof media. So I didn't think they were going to go
that route. But the fact that they cast SebastianStan opposite Robert Pattinson, I think is a
really solid choice. So when you say that we'veseen Two Face and a lot of media, are you referring

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to like Joker, Folie a Deux? I'm talking aboutbasically every single Batman onscreen
franchise from the Tim Burton films to theSchumacher films to the Nolan films. He's pretty
much been everywhere. So I'm not sure how theywould do him in a new kind of way. But again, if
you're going to do it, yeah, cast Sebastian Stan.No, I'm sorry. I don't accept this because

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Sebastian Stan is the winter soldier and he alwayswill be. And Scarlett Johansson will always be
Black Widow. So keep your hands off shit that youcan't have DC. Now, Scarlett Johansson is
definitely not a Black Widow anymore. ButSebastian Stan just freaking played Bucky in the
Thunderbolts film. He's still the wintersoldier. So the fact that he's playing double duty

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might be a little confusing. But the fact that theBatman Matt Reeves universe does not take place in
the DCU helps a little bit. Maybe maybe Bucky diesin Avengers Doomsday. Good. What? Yeah, I hope he
does. Oh, you're such a piece of shit. Now, rumorsare, like you said, that Scarlett Johansson is

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playing Harvey Dent's wife, but she only hadrelevance within the Long Halloween storyline in
the comic books. But the first The Batman Movie wasalready heavily influenced by the Long
Halloween. The Long Halloween is one of the bestBatman comics. I'm not surprised that it
continues to be a wellspring from which moviecreatives continue to draw from. I'm wondering if

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this will be the story of Harvey Dent becoming twoface or they're just including him here as a way to
build up something that could be paid off, maybe ina third film. The rumors are that part two will
focus heavily on Arkham Asylum. So my suspicion isthat Gilda will play into that somehow, which is
probably why insiders are saying her role is amajor one within the film. And here I was hoping for

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Mr. Freeze. What was I thinking? Hey, I'm eager tosee anything from the Matt Reeves Batman
universe. Sign me up. Yeah, if the Penguin showedus anything, it's that there's a lot to explore
here and it's all really fucking good. Now, it'llbe a while before we actually see the film. It's not
scheduled to come out until October 2027. So wehave over a year and a half to go. I'm sure it's going

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to feel really long until then, but I'm sure it'llbe worth the wait more than Avengers Doomsday for
sure. People have been waiting way longer for thisAvengers sequel than they have for the Batman
sequel. So sorry, but you're done. I said what Isaid. But now let's get to the Duel matchup 10 years

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on the making and find out who is going to win in a 12versus 12 matchup of DC versus Marvel. OK, guys, DC

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versus Marvel. It was a four part mini series thatboth comic publishers released in 1996. Joseph
and I collected it. We had the poster for it. We wereall about it. For the longest time, it was like the
de facto DC versus Marvel event in comics up untilJ. L. A. Avengers. And really, those are the big

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two. Yeah, at least when it comes to like universewide events, not just individual character
crossovers. Now, we loved that story because itwas so ambitious in the world building created
with the two brothers and the Amalgam universe,where DC and Marvel characters were merged and
everything that came from that. We even named ourawards show that we do at the end of every year after

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the brothers that represent the DC and Marveluniverses from this mini series in which each
brother chose champions, essentially the mostpopular characters at the time to pay against each
other to decide which universe lived and whichuniverse died. And those matches were Superman
versus Hulk, Batman versus Captain America,Wonder Woman versus Storm, Green Lantern versus

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Silver Surfer, Flash versus Quicksilver,Aquaman versus Namor the Submariner, Shazam
versus Thor, Catwoman versus Electra, Superboyversus Spider-Man, Lobo versus Wolverine and
Robin versus Jubilee. Yes, some questionablematchups there. Also some questionable results

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due to the fact that about half of those matchupswere voted on by readers. So it was kind of a
popularity contest, which is not how things aresupposed to be done. As you know, on our podcast, we
use character stats to run simulations to find outwho would actually win. And today we are going to
set the record straight 30 years after the comicdebuted as to who would have actually won in those

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matches. Yeah, we're going to reveal some of theresults now because the other ones still pertain
to our current matchup and we'll keep those asurprise for the end of the show. First to explain
the methodology behind our duels, let's go to oursentient Duel simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000.
AJ9K tell our listeners how you go aboutdetermining a winner in our Duel matchups. Yes, of

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course, sir. The way I determine a winner betweenthe two teams is by running 1000 Monte Carlo
simulations between every character on each teamusing their statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation
is a probabilistic model used to determineoutcomes through random sampling. In this case, I
randomize the statistics along a normaldistribution as a way to simulate the many

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variables that can occur during battle. The statparameters are based on the official Marvel power
grid from which the DC characters statistics areextrapolated. Additional stat categories are
included such as range, damage potential,versatility and perception in order to create a
more detailed and accurate simulation. Theresults of the 49000 simulations provide a

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percentage of wins for each character on bothteams. The team with the higher average win rate is
declared the victor as they have a higherprobability to win any given battle. In an
equitable pairing, neither team should win 100%of the matches. The comic book stories have shown
that there's even a way for Batman to defeatSuperman. So the confidence rate of my method
falls in line with the precedents that have beenestablished in the source material. My

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mathematical simulations are withoutsubjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole
consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated fordetermination of the winner. Thanks, AJ9K. Yeah,
let's kick things off with probably the mostconfusing matchup to me from the 90s miniseries,
Spider-Man vs. Superboy. Now, I understand thatat the time, Spider-Man's clone saga was going on,

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so they wanted to pit a clone against a clone. But ofall the clones you could have chosen, Superboy was
by far the weirdest. Now, in the comic, Spider-Manbeat Superboy. But according to our results,
Superboy would actually beat Spider-Man. 59.5%of the time compared to Spider-Man's win rate of

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40.5%. Yeah, no surprise there. That's a weirdmatchup. In the Aquaman vs. Namor the Submariner
matchup, they actually got that result right.Aquaman would defeat Namor as we actually have
previously confirmed in an earlier episode ofDynamic Duel Aquaman vs. the Submariner. Aquaman
wins 60.7% of the time. We also confirmed thatFlash would defeat Quicksilver 76.9% of the time.

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But in a matchup we haven't done, Lobo vs.Wolverine, it looks like they got it wrong. Lobo
would actually stomp Wolverine 82.1% of the timecompared to Wolverine's win rate of 17.9%. How
does that feel, Joseph? Unsurprising. It was a badmatchup. Also a bad matchup, Wonder Woman vs.

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Storm. Wonder Woman actually beat Storm not theother way around as it happened in the comic.
Wonder Woman has a win rate of 63.9% compared toStorm with the win rate of 36.1%. In the matchup
between Silver Surfer and Green Lantern, SilverSurfer won in the comic and that's accurate. He's a

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stat powerhouse who wins 67.8% of the timecompared to Green Lantern's 32.2% win rate. In the
comic, Electra defeated Catwoman, which wedetermined would actually be the case with a win
rate of 67.7% compared to Catwoman's 32.3%. Andfor the final result that we'll give from the

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miniseries, Robin vs. Jubilee, they had that onecorrect as well. Robin wins 75.2% of the time
compared to Jubilee's win rate of 24.8%. In thecomic, Marvel actually won a majority of the
matches, but it looks like statistically thatwould not have been the case. Yeah, DC would have
won a majority of those matches. They just didn'thave a good pairings at the time for those

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characters. I think we chose better pairings forthis particular Duel matchup. So forget that 30
year old miniseries. Let's talk about who thebrothers should have actually chose. Superman
and the Hulk, Batman and Captain America, WonderWoman and Captain Marvel, Green Lantern and
Scarlet Witch, the Flash and Spider-Man, Aquamanand Black Panther, Blue Beetle and Iron Man,

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Shazam and Thor, Hawkgirl and Wolverine, JohnConstantine and Doctor Strange, Green Arrow and
Daredevil, and finally Harley Quinn andDeadpool. That is how you do a versus roster for
both sides. Now, these are all matches that we havenot done in prior episodes. So we have no idea who is
going to win yet. The rosters we chose were decidedupon with help from our executive producers. From

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a long list of characters on potential matches, wethought these ones were the most interesting with
the best respect of rosters from each universe.Now let's speculate on how one of the thousands of
simulated matches will go. Again, the winnersdetermined by simulations, not our speculation,
but it's fun to imagine how the fight could playout. AJ and IK, what are the rules of our
speculation? Well, I should say there are no rulesother than the teams have no prior knowledge of the

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other going into the fight. All they are aware ofstarting out is that the other side is a threat that
needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, thegroups will begin approximately 50 meters apart
in a nondescript environment that will have nobearing on the match itself, as no environmental
statistics are considered in my simulations. Theteams must earn victory on their own merit. All

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right, then let's get into it. For the finalmatchup ever, Team DC and Team Marvel meet on the
battlefield. Who goes first? Is it even aquestion? I mean, the Flash. the Flash goes first.
Always. Always he goes first. And he's going tostart things off by speeding around the planet
like five times in less than a second, justgathering mass and momentum to the level of nearly

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a black hole before slamming his fist hard rightinto the face of your side's biggest guy, the Hulk,
which is going to send him Korean backward allbefore your team can even blink. You think if he hit
him with near the mass of a black hole, he would domore than just cream backward. I think the
infinite mass punch is kind of bullshit, right?Because the speed force negates the laws of

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physics. I'll grant you that it was a really,really powerful punch, but all that's going to do
is piss the Hulk off. As the Hulk flies backward,Dr. Strange recognizes through the Eye of
Agamotto that it was a speedster that hit the Hulk.And so he's going to generate a magic spell called
the following flames of the Faltine, which is thisblue fireball that's just going to endlessly

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chase the Flash until it eventually catches upwith him and engulfs him and burns him alive. So the
flash is going to have to be constantly running toavoid the flame. And while that's happening, Thor
spins his hammer and hurls a whirlwind over towardthe DC guys that immediately grows into this
powerful tornado that picks them all up andscatters them across the battlefield. Oh, it

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doesn't hurt them. It just scatters them. Yeah. Imean, like he keeps them from strategizing,
though, because they're not near each otheranymore. OK, that's fine. Harley Quinn, she's
probably like, wee. And we'll say she gets flungtoward Deadpool, who doesn't have time to react
before she just wallops him across the face withher giant mallet. Her giant mallet. Deadpool is

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like, what in the penis envy is this? And he's justgoing to slice Harley Quinn's hammer in half with
one of his katanas. And then he's going to slash ather again. Like, let's do this hot topic. My safe
word is chimichanga. All right. Harley, she'sgoing to dodge the swords and she'll drop like a
cupcake grenade that blows off one of Deadpool'slegs as she skates away, laughing. Meanwhile,

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Green Lantern is going to trap Captain America in agreen rocket ship construct that's going to
launch him into space just right away, taking himout of the match. What? And at the same time,
Aquaman is going to hurl his Trident at ScarletWitch impaling her. No, no, no. Scarlet Witch is
going to throw up a hex shield that's going to causethe Trident to reflect off of her shield and fly

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right into one of Hawkgirls' wings, which isgoing to impale it and ground Hawkgirls so she
can't fly anymore. And then Scarlet Witch is goingto teleport up to Captain America's rocket ship
and bring him back down to the battlefield, savinghim. You do realize that Hawkgirls' wings are not
organic, right? Like they're made of anthmedal.Actually, that's the same material that

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Aquaman's Trident is. So it doesn't pierce herwings. Actually, the Trident is just going to
ricochet off her wings and get lodged into theground beside her. So she'll pick that up and now
she's Duel-wielding two-anthmedal weapons withAquaman's Trident and her own mace. And she's just
going to combo strike Spider-Man like a stab,bash, spin, slash stab, combo. No, but Spider-Man

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has Spidey Sense, and that'll allow him to dodgeand flip and spin and avoid getting hit by Hawke
Girls' weapons. And while he's dodging, he'sgoing to shoot a couple of web strands at Aquaman
and use them to slingshot Aquaman right into HawkeGirls. So they collide and get knocked down. And
while that's happening, Captain Marvel fliesover to Green Arrow and shoots an energy blast that

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turns him into a smear on the ground. Except thatthe blast is blocked by Wonder Woman, who, you
know, leaps in to protect Green Arrow with hersilver bracelets. And Green Arrow from behind
Wonder Woman is going to hit Captain Marvel with anexplosive arrow that's going to knock her out of
the air. OK. Meanwhile, Wolverine straight uplunges and pounces on Constantine, pinning him to

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the ground and stabbing him right through the gutwith his claws. OK, that'll hurt Constantine. But
as he curses at Wolverine from the floor, he'sgoing to take the cigarette that he was smoking
from his mouth and put it out right in Wolverine'seye and then snap his finger. And Wolverine's
going to get engulfed in flames. So he's going toleap off of Constantine just freaking out. And

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Constantine is going to perform a quick healingspell on his stab wounds so that he doesn't bleed
out. OK, so Wolverine's on fire, but Iron Man isgoing to fly over to him and use extinguishers in
his suit to douse Wolverine. So Wolverine'scharred, but, you know, his healing factor will
kick in. Simultaneously, Iron Man is going toshoot out a homing missile that locks onto Batman

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and flies over to him and explodes him. ThereBatman, he'll dive out of the way of the missile.
And, you know, as it like circles back toward him,he's going to shoot out a bat flare as a decoy that
the missile will lock onto instead. And actually,you know, he shoots that flare at Captain America
across the battlefield so the missile blows himup. Captain America is like, oh, shit. And he holds

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up his shields just in time to protect him from theflare and the missile explosion. So he's on phase
and he's going to hurl his shield at Blue Beetle,which is going to hit Blue Beetle like a
sledgehammer right into his back where the alienscarab is fused to a spine. And that's going to
cause the scarab to short circuit. Yeah, BlueBeetle, his scarab will probably sense the

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approaching shield. So it's just going to snatchyou out of the air with his mechanical insect arms
that, you know, protrude from his back. So now youjust gave him a back shield. And while that
happened reflexively, he was actually shooting agrapple line that is going to connect to Black
Panther. And it's a Taser grapple. So it just friesthe vibranium suit and stuns him. OK, Black

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Panther would be stunned because vibraniumwouldn't protect him from an electrical attack.
But through being shocked, he musters thestrength and will power to sever the grapple line
with his claws. So that's just going to cut off theflow of energy from Blue Beetle's suit. At that
point, Black Panther is going to hurl a volley ofenergy daggers at Shazam that are going to stick in

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his cape and then explode with kinetic energy,knocking Shazam to the ground. That would barely
faze Shazam. Meanwhile, Superman, he's going tofly over to Daredevil and freeze him into an ice
block with his freeze breath. What? What? OK,Daredevil's frozen. But Hulk is going to break

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Daredevil out of the ice block before Daredevilfreezes through. And then Hulk is going to leap
like 20 stories into the air and then come down likea meteor crashing into Wonder Woman, just
slamming her into this like Wonder Woman shapedcrater on the ground, shaking the entire
battlefield with his landing. OK, but Shazam seesthis and he's going to knock the Hulk away from

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Wonder Woman with a lightning bolt so large andpowerful that it's going to fry the Hulk's skin to a
crisp. Big deal. He can heal from that. It'll justtake a few seconds. While that's happening,
Daredevil, fresh from being freed from the iceblock that he was in, you know, this whole time he's
been tracking the Flash with his radar sense.What? And he knows that the Flash is trying to

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outrun the fireball that Dr. Strange created andwith perfect timing, Daredevil fires his billy
club out and trips the Flash up, who then falls,gets caught by the fireball and burns alive. OK,
except that the Flash trips and falls into IronMan, or through him because he phases through him

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and that's going to cause the fireball to collidewith Iron Man and just melt his armor. No, no, no,
no, that would happen. The following flames of theFaltine are magic. They're homing. They would
actually go around Iron Man and still burn theflash up while he was on the ground. That shit. Or
well, Constantine, he could use his trench coat,which is fireproof, to smother the magic flames,

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which he does before flinging that coat atDaredevil and causing it to wrap around his face.
And since that coat is demonically possessed,Daredevil becomes trapped in this illusion that
he's in hell. Meanwhile, as flash rapidly healsfrom his burn wounds, Green Arrow is going to
straight up turn Wolverine into a pincushion fullof arrows. Yeah, that's not even going to slow

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Wolverine down. It's just going to send him into aberserker rage where he straight up eviscerates
Green Arrow, legit turning him into deli slices,except that those arrows that Green Arrow shot
into him were taser arrows. And Green Arrow isgoing to trigger them as Wolverine charges right
for him. So Wolverine gets electrocuted and nowhe's down for the count. No, because Dr. Strange is

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going to magically extract the electricityflowing through Wolverine's skeleton and form it
into like a sort of Zeus's thunderbolt. And thenhe's going to hurl it at Hock Girl with her metal
wings. And she's going to get zapped. Meanwhile,Deadpool, his leg is now healed from being blown
off, he's gonna teleport behind Green Lantern andstraight up shoot him in the back of the head. He's

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gonna be like, your movie sucked. Okay, but Batmansees Green Lantern about to get shot and so he rolls
this sharp ass battering that lodges right intoDeadpool's wrist before he pulls the trigger. And
that's gonna sever all of the nerves to his hand.Isn't he like, oh no my girlfriend! And with Green

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Lantern now aware that Deadpool is behind him,he's going to generate a giant green wrench and
just whack Deadpool. That's gonna send himtumbling across the battlefield. Okay, well,
Spider-Man is gonna web up Harley Quinn, web up herskates. We're just gonna make her a trip and eat
shit. She tries to curse him out like, fuck you,pajama man, but he's gonna web her mouth shut and

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she's actually gonna put her in like this webcocoon, just web her all up. Meanwhile, Iron Man
fires a repulsor blast at Blue Beetle that knocksBlue Beetle to the floor and knocks Captain
America's shield off of his back. Okay, BlueBeetle would probably get hit, but you know, he
would set up a giant shield in front of him to blockany additional beams from Iron Man. And then he'll

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transform that shield into like this massiveenergy cannon that he'll use to fire a giant laser
beam like the size of a semi truck right back at IronMan. Knocking his ass into outer space. It would
never even hit him because Captain Marvel flewinto the laser's path and absorbed all of that
energy from Blue Beetle. So she's like pulsingwith cosmic energy now and she just unloads all of

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that into Superman. So it's Superman's ass thatgets knocked into outer space, not Iron Man. Okay,
meanwhile Aquaman has his Trident back and he'slocked in with a battle with Thor who we'll say has
generated this massive storm and has hurlinglightning at Aquaman. But Aquaman, he's gonna
slam his Trident into the earth to ground thelightning strikes and then pull it out and use its

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magic to gather all of the rainwater from the storminto a swirling pillar of water, a whirlpool
around Thor that's going to drown him. And Aquamancan control water now? Well, I mean technically
yes, like he controls water in the comics evenwithout the Trident now. But I mean he's been able
to do that more or less with various Tridents forsome time in the comics. I guess I don't understand

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what a whirlpool is gonna do to Thor because he cansimply fly out of the whirlpool because no
current's gonna be able to hold him. MeanwhileHulk is gonna punch the ground hard enough to
create a fissure in the earth that the Flash fallsinto and then dies. Dude, you think Flash can't
outrun a fissure? Or like run up a fissure wall? Youknow, he's gonna do just that and then run literal

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circles around the Hulk, vacuuming the air out ofhis lungs and causing him to transform into Bruce
Banner. And when Flash notices that this happens,he's gonna pick Banner up and just drop him off on
the other side of the planet and leave him therebefore running back to the battle. Meanwhile
Shazam and Captain Marvel are gonna be tradingblows mid-air, but the wisdom of Solomon tells

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Shazam that while she may have absorbed BlueBeetle's energy attack, she probably can't
absorb magic. So that's when he summons thismassive bolt of living lightning that's gonna
crash Captain Marvel straight into the ground.Okay, yeah, she can't absorb magic, that makes
sense, but Scarlet Witch is gonna fire a hex bolt atWonder Woman's lasso that's on her side causing it

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to unravel and wrap around Wonder Woman and justhog-tie her. And these knots are indestructible,
so Wonder Woman is powerless to escape her lasso.Meanwhile, Black Panther leaps onto Hawkgirl's
back and uses his anti-metal claws to tear hermetal wings right off. She crashes into the ground
and probably tries to hit Black Panther with hermace, which she does, but Black Panther absorbs

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the blow of that with his Vibranium suit. So he getsknocked away, but he's like vibrating with all of
this kinetic energy now. I don't think anti-metalwould break down like common Earth metals, so
while Black Panther sure does cause Hawkgirl tocrash to the ground from slashing her back, I'm
gonna say her wings remain intact, and BlackPanther, yeah, he's still knocked away by her mace

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strike. But while that happened, Superman isgonna swoop back to the battle from outer space and
he's just gonna rain down heat vision onto CaptainAmerica who does not have a shield. No, he has a
shield. He got it back when it was knocked away fromBlue Beetle when Iron Man blasted him. So Captain
America uses the shield to block Superman's heatvision and actually it reflects off of Captain

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America's shield, hitting Aquaman, who burns andgets dehydrated from the heat. Then Captain
America runs over to Daredevil and yanksConstantine's coat off of his face, which pulls
him out of the Hell illusion. And now Free,Daredevil flips over to Batman, dodging all of
Batman's strikes, and he wraps his Billy Clubcable around Batman's neck and just garots him.

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Okay, well you know what, Daredevil didn't seecoming though? He doesn't see anything coming.
Exactly. But especially Harley Quinn's chaotictendency to show up just out of nowhere. Because
after getting out of Spider-Man's webbing with anacid pellet, she's gonna load a stink bomb round
into her pop gun and fire that at Daredevil. Andthat's gonna overload his senses with a smell

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worse than hell. Allowing Batman to get free. Andwhile Daredevil is distracted, Harley Quinn's
gonna follow up with another round, this time a 9mmone, which she's gonna use to send him to heaven. So
Daredevil's out? Yes, and meanwhile, WonderWoman, you know, she's been shimmying back and
forth while wrapped in her lasso, and that's gonnagive her enough slack to clap her bracelets

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together. And that's gonna emit enough force tocause a gap in the wrapping that allows Wonder
Woman to free herself. And now that she's free,she's gonna lasso Captain Marvel by the neck and
just yank her toward her, slamming her fist rightinto Captain Marvel's face, just to link her out
cold. Okay, but right before Wonder Woman's fistmakes contact with Captain Marvel, Captain

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Marvel just explodes like an energy bomb, which isgonna knock Wonder Woman away, and Captain
Marvel's gonna free herself from the lasso. Whilethat's happening, Captain America is going toe to
toe with Harley Quinn, and Harley Quinn just is notgonna stand a chance in that fight. He's gonna
disarm all of her attacks and just knock her outunconscious with his shield before she even has

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anything funny to say. So Harley Quinn is now out ofthe match. Okay, all right, well, Green Arrow and
Deadpool are gonna be battling, and Green Arrow isgonna manage to fire several cheap shot boxing
glove arrows right at Deadpool's nut sack like itwas a speed bag. And while Deadpool's lying on the
ground wincing, that's when Green Arrow's gonnapin his head to the floor with an adhesive arrow,

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gluing it to the ground permanently so Deadpool'salso out. Okay, gluing his head to the ground with
an arrow through the brain? Yeah, that's prettyclever. Okay, well, Doctor Strange uses the
Ayavaga Moto to find Bruce Banner on the other sideof the world, and he's gonna open a portal to bring
Hulk back into the battle. Okay, but the portal isgonna be set up right above Hulk Girl, so Hulk drops

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back into the fight, right onto Hulk Girl's back,crashing her into the ground and smashing her to a
paste. Because he's like mega pissed right now, soHulk Girl's out of the match. Okay, all right, well
Flash, he's going to disarm Captain America, juststraight up take a shield from him, which he then
uses as a battering gram, speed battering him fromlike every angle until he's knocked unconscious

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and is out of the match. Okay, well then Flash triesthat battering gram shit on Spider-Man, but
Spider-Man's Spidey sense warns him to hop out ofthe way at the last second, and then he webs Flash's
feet to the ground as the Flash is speeding by andthat sudden stop and momentum is gonna break the
Flash's ankle, completely hobbles him like he'sJames Caan in misery. Geez. And then Spidey is

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gonna flip drop heel kick Flash right in the head,which is gonna completely knock the Flash out of
the match. That's messed up, but meanwhileConstantine, he's, you know, using sigil shields
to ward off blasts from Captain Marvel, and he hashis coat back on, by the way, so he's gonna reach
into one of his coat pockets and pull out a flask,which he hurls at her. And when Captain Marvel

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blasts it out of the air, the flask actuallylatches onto her energy, converting her into pure
light as it sucks her into the flask like a genie.And once she's completely absorbed, he grabs it
out of the air, puts it back in its coat pocket, andso she's out of the match. Oh, that was
interesting. Okay. Uh, well, speaking of CaptainMarvel being out, Scarlet Witch is gonna place a

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psychic hex on Shazam, and that's gonna causeShazam to transform and de-age back into Billy
Batson, but the hex is like compounding. So Billycontinues de-aging until he's just a baby, and
then finally just a pair of microscopicreproductive cells. So Shazam's out. Oh, look at

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that. Scarlet Witch just got blown to smithereensby a green tomahawk missile. Looks like Green
Lantern was sick of her shit. Black Panther is sickof Green Arrow's shit. Not only does he sever the
line on Green Arrow's bow with his claws, which isgonna render Green Arrow completely useless,
Black Panther is gonna follow up by releasing allof that stored up kinetic energy he has in his

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vibranium suit with a punch to Green Arrow's chestthat's just gonna shatter all of his ribs into
gravel. Alright, meanwhile, Aquaman, he's beensummoning a wellspring beneath him to rehydrate
him. And finally, like Old Faithful, this hotgeyser shoots out from beneath him, launching him
into the air, where he magically redirects the jetstream onto Spider-Man, which is gonna pin him to

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the ground before Aquaman lands right on top of himand impaling him with his Trident. Wow, okay, Iron
Man didn't appreciate that. He saw that, and helets Aquaman know that he didn't appreciate it by
frying him with a beam of microwave energy thatevaporates all of the moisture in Aquaman's body
until he's fully cooked and now dead. Alright, youknow what? Superman, he's gonna grab Hulk with his

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super speed, fly him straight into space, and justhurl him towards the sun, harden fast enough that
Doctor Strange doesn't have time to magicallyteleport him back. Now what? Wolverine is gonna be
fighting against Batman at that time, and Batmangets taken out of the match by some claws that go
right through his skull, because plot armor willnot protect him against Adamantium. Wait, what

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the heck? You're taking out Batman like sounceremoniously? Yeah, Wolverine doesn't give a
fuck. Well, okay, guess what? Wolverine, he'ssuddenly gonna get yanked to the ground by Blue
Beetle, who then pins his neck and wrist to theground with a few rounds from a giant blue staple
gun, essentially. And with Wolverineimmobilized, that's when Blue Beetle drops this

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scarab-shaped grenade near him. That's gonnagenerate a small nuclear blast that's gonna leave
only Wolverine's bones as Blue Beetle flies away.Okay, but Thor is gonna finally settle the end of
our Justice League Avengers team duel, our firstteam duel that we ever did. He's gonna channel his

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supernatural godly energies into his hammer, andhe's gonna fire it from Mjolnir as a god blast that's
gonna punch a hole right through Superman, who isvulnerable to magic. What? So, Thor's weakens
now, yes, but it was worth it because Superman isout of this match. Okay, I thought he was gonna be my

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last guy, not gonna lie. But when Thor does that,that's suddenly when Mjolnir is gonna get snatched
by Wonder Woman's lasso. And so now she's SuperAsgardian Wonder Woman, and she's gonna lift the
hammer into the air and bring it down right on top ofthe weakened Thor, taking him out of the match.
Come at me, bro. Okay, so Wonder Woman has Thor'shammer, but Doctor Strange is gonna detach his

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cloak of levitation and is gonna fly at WonderWoman, envelop her, and is gonna swallow her up
basically and teleport her to Asgard. Where Odinsees this chick who killed his son and is wielding
Mjolnir now, Odin's gonna remove the hammer'spower and then just imprison Wonder Woman in their

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dungeons. So Wonder Woman's out of the match. Whatthe hell? Alright, I was not expecting that, I will
admit. Uh-huh. But meanwhile, back to the battle,Blue Beetle Scarab has analyzed the vibratory
nature of Black Panther's suit and produces acounter-frequency that Blue Beetle fires at him

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from a sonic cannon, shattering the vibraniumsuit like it was glass. And with T'Challa exposed,
that's when he's gonna get impaled by a giant bluelance from Blue Beetle's arm. So now Black
Panther's out. Interesting move, but little didyou know Iron Man has slowly been hacking the Blue
Beetle suit using nanotech drones that are gonnaforce the Scarab to destroy its host, basically

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disintegrating Jaime Reyes from within. And thenthe Scarab is gonna fly over to Iron Man, now
programmed to incorporate itself into Iron Man'sarmor. So now Iron Man is Iron Beetle. And good luck
with that. Oh yeah, no problem. The Scarab Kajidais rich alien technology, but it's been corrupted
by magic before. So that was actually stupid onbehalf of Iron Man because Constantine knows the

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history of the Scarab, and so he's gonna recite aself-destruct incantation that Iron Man can't
decode in time, so kaboom, Iron Man's out. Ah,okay. Dr. Strange sees this, and he's gonna detect
the dark occult magic that's in Constantine, andhe's gonna trace that to all the demons that are in

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hell that own a part of Constantine's soul. So Dr.Strange is gonna use a little bit of dark magic to
summon these demons to the battlefield, or to eachrip Constantine to pieces and drag him to hell in
small bits. No, dang. That's like the worst way totake out Constantine. Good. Well, I guess it's
down to Green Lantern and Dr. Strange. Here it is.The last one standing, the duel to end all duels,

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and Green Lantern is gonna be the one to quick drawfirst. He's gonna point his ring at Dr. Strange,
trapping and freezing him in a giant GreenLantern, like a power battery that's on Oa, which
has held entities like Parallax, and the Lanternbattery drains Dr. Strange of all of his magic
power. And Green Lantern is going to use it to powerhis own ring with like star-heart magical energy,

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and he's gonna be like, beware my power. GreenLantern's light! And he's gonna snap his fingers,
and Dr. Strange just ceases to exist. End of match.You're right. Yep. Yep. And then Dr. Strange wakes
up from his trance, recognizing that that was oneof the thousands of simulations where his marble
team didn't win. So with the compounded knowledgeof everything that his team needs to do to win, he's

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gonna confer with the rest of the Marvel heroesoutside of time, and then he's gonna rewind the
clock back to the start of the match with everyoneknowing exactly what they need to do to win
decisively and swiftly. And the DC guys justfucking get annihilated. They're gonna be
thinking they suck so hard because they getdefeated so quickly, and even Batman's gonna be

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like, what the hell? Before he dies. And Marvelwins. Match over. In the ten years of this podcast,
the stupidest thing I've ever heard come out ofyour mouth. Or the coolest. The podcast network

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emerge victorious. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com,where we settle the debate and settle the score.
Let's go ahead and find out which of thesescenarios happens. Either Green Lantern traps
Dr. Strange in a power battery, drains his magic,and uses it to power up his ring and snap Dr. Strange

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out of existence. Or Dr. Strange foresees thathappening, rewinds time, and uses the battle
information to help the Marvel heroes defeat theDC side. Let's go ahead and input all the character
stats, run all the simulations, and find out whowins. Marvel or DC. AJ9K? Hit it! Alright, I think

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that felt sufficiently epic for our final everduel and team duel. This was a whole lot of math. It
took us a couple days to actually run all of thesesimulations. There's a whole lot of data here, a
lot to pour into. To start off, the most powerfulguys from each side were Green Lantern and Dr.
Strange. My weakest guy on Marvel was a tie betweenDaredevil and Captain America, but the weakest

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person overall on both teams was Harley Quinn.Weakest statistically, I should say. Right.
Breaking it down by category, the biggest statdiscrepancy between the two teams overall was
intelligence. Marvel actually came out ahead inthat category because of people like Bruce
Banner, Spider-Man, T'Challa, Iron Man, and Dr.Strange. We had a lot of intellectual

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powerhouses, whereas DC mostly had Constantine,Batman, and that's pretty much it. Yeah, that was
the biggest discrepancy, but DC also came outpretty far ahead in terms of speed. Thanks to
characters like Flash, Shazam, Superman, WonderWoman, we were a lot faster than the Marvel guys.
And the DC team was a lot more versatile,especially among characters like Green Lantern,

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Blue Beetle, Constantine, Green Arrow, Batman.They're all really well equipped. Marvel's side,
though, wasn't a slouch when it came to thefighting skills stat. Characters like Captain
America, Wolverine, Daredevil, Deadpool are allreally skilled in fighting. Yeah, compared to my
side where my best fighters were Batman, WonderWoman, and Green Arrow. And Hawkgirl was up there,

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too. Let's break down the pairings individually.In the matchup between Superman and the Hulk,
Superman won 75.3% of their matches. I'm not toosurprised by that, just because Superman is
arguably strong, if not stronger than the Hulk,and has all the versatility of his other
Kryptonian powers. In the Batman vs. CaptainAmerica pairing, also no surprise for me, Batman

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won that 72.8% of the time. I guess the result thereisn't surprising for me, but the win rate for
Batman is surprising. In the end, Captain Americais just as good as a fighter as Batman, but can't
compete with Batman's versatility orintelligence. That's what it came down to. In the
Wonder Woman vs. Captain Marvel fight, DC wonagain, with Wonder Woman beating Captain Marvel

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56.2% of the time. This one was a little bit closer.Captain Marvel just wasn't quite as durable or as
strong as Wonder Woman. Yeah, honestly, inregards to this matchup, I was actually
surprised. I was thinking Captain Marvel wasgoing to come out ahead, but I was really happy to
see that Wonder Woman did. In the Green Lantern vs.Scarlet Witch matchup, DC wins yet again, with

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Green Lantern pulling off a 72.5% win rate overScarlet Witch, which I'm calling bullshit. The
problem is that Green Lanterns are just soimpressive statistically, because they have all
the powers, and Scarlet Witch, even though she'salmost maxed out in stats like damage level,
invasiveness and versatility, she was lacking inother key areas like fighting skill,

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intelligence, and durability. Right, so DC haswon all four matches so far, but that ended when we
picked Spider-Man against the Flash. I totallythought the Flash was going to win this, but
Spider-Man did. 54.3% of their 1000 matches.Which, what? Yeah, for as fast as the Flash is,

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Spider-Man is arguably a slightly betterfighter. He has a Spider sense which helps him, and
he's stronger. So that was a close matchup, butSpider-Man did narrowly get the victory there. In
the Aquaman vs. Black Panther matchup,unfortunately Aquaman won that one, winning
54.1% of the time over Black Panther. Again, thatwas a pretty close one as well. It looks like

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Nth Metal does win the war against Vibranium. Idon't know about that, but Aquaman did eke out a win
due to his strength stat. In the matchup betweenIron Man and Blue Beetle, Earth comes out ahead
against the aliens because Iron Man won 67.7% ofthe matches compared to Blue Beetle's 32.3%. I'm

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not surprised by that one. I will say that BlueBeetle was a lot more statistically impressive
than I thought he would be against Iron Man. ButIron Man still had a pretty damn high win rate, so it
just goes to show that Iron Man is just way betterthan Blue Beetle, largely due to his
intelligence. Yeah, Iron Man was one of your mostpowerful characters, very impressive
statistically. In the Thor vs. Shazam fight, nowthis is one of the fights that took place in the 90s

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crossover, we can definitively say that Thor doesbeat Shazam, 59.5% of the time. In the end, Shazam
was just a little bit too much of a one-trick pony,with Thor being able to do everything that Shazam
could do, but even more. In our closest pairing,Wolverine beat Hawkgirl 50.2% of the time.

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Cointoss. Now this is kind of a throwback to ourHawk Man vs. Wolverine duel episode. I'm really
glad we redid that though because if you listenedto that episode, the power set we used for Hawk Man
was very specific to the new 52 era and completelyoutdated. They didn't have identical stats, Hawk
Girl was more evasive because she could fly and shewas stronger, but Wolverine was a better fighter

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and more durable. They kind of evened each otherout, therefore, a Cointoss. In the matchup
between Doctor Strange and Constantine, DoctorStrange won 73.8% of the time due to a variety of
stats. I think largely it just comes down to thefact that Doctor Strange is a sorcerer, whereas
Constantine is an occultist, and thereforethings just come a little bit slower and harder for

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him. But also Doctor Strange is a powerhousestatistically. He has all the powers, he's super
smart. Right, again, your most powerfulcharacter. In one of my favorite pairings, Green
Arrow vs Daredevil, I'm happy to say that GreenArrow won 54.5% of the time, which I think means
that Bullseye would totally stop in a real matchupagainst Daredevil. Out of all the matches so far,

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this one pisses me off the most because I don't seehow Green Arrow would ever hit Daredevil. I guess
sometimes Bullseye does hit Daredevil in theirfights, but what really eaked Green Arrow over the
top was his versatility. Daredevil just has hisBilly Club, and it doesn't have as good of a range as
Green Arrow's plethora of arrows. Eventually,Green Arrow's going to tag him or choose some kind

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of arrow that overwhelms his senses. It'sbullshit. In the final matchup, where we pit
Deadpool against Harley Quinn, I don't think thisis any surprise, Deadpool won 61.1% of the time.
Harley Quinn had a more varied arsenal with all ofher silly gadgets, but Deadpool's healing factor
was just second to none, unless you're Wolverine.Or the Hulk. But I mean, like we said earlier,

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Harley Quinn was my weakest character. Sheactually did not come out ahead in a majority of her
matches. Now, tallying it all up, we had 12matches, and surprisingly, we each had 6 wins. Yah
yah, really lucky with the Wolverine vs. Hulk girlfight, because that was a coin toss, and if
Wolverine didn't win that one, the overall scorewould have been DC7 Marvel 5. But, since we each won

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6 matches, I guess it's a tie for Marvel and DC. No,no, no, no. We have the total wins for all of the
matches for all of these characters, so let's findout who actually wins between everyone. AJ9K, the
results please. Hey, you are, sir. The winner ofthe matchup between Team DC and Team Marvel is...

(54:22):
Team DC! Fuck you! Fuck you! This doesn't reallymean that DC would win, it just means that these
particular 12 characters would beat theseparticular 12 Marvel characters. Hey, we chose
these characters as the 12 representatives of ourrespective universe. We've never done a team

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matchup with this many characters before. Youhave to accept DC's victory. They won 51.4% of the
total matches compared to Marvel who won 48.6%.Sir, DC officially wins. DC is officially better,
and I officially demand an apology from you. Afternearly 40 years, vol of your bullshit, saying that

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Marvel characters are better when clearly theyare inferior. First of all, you can go straight up
fuck yourself. Second of all, those results are acoin toss. If DC only won 50.4% of the matches...
51.4%. Oh, well, it's still pretty close. Third ofall, go fuck yourself again, harder. And then

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fourth of all, I think we should judge theseresults based off of the number of individual
pairing wins, which is 6-to-6, which is a tie.You're trying to get me to admit that Marvel loses
overall when really it was just a breakdown ofthese 24 characters. Dude, what do you think this
podcast has been about for the past 10 years? Yes,I'm trying to get you to admit that Marvel would

(55:54):
lose. They did. Hashtag deal with it. Alsohashtag, give me an apology. What we're going to do
is actually tally up all the wins and losses forMarvel and DC throughout the 10 years of this
podcast in our next episode to reveal the actualtrue winner between these two universes. But
we'll save that for our final episode. And just ageneral retrospective of the podcast over the

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past decade. Yeah, join us for our final episodenext week as we say goodbye to you guys for now.
Right, again, the podcast isn't going awaycompletely. We're just ending the weekly show.
We're ending the duels and switching toexclusively a review focused show. AJ9K, help
close this out. Thanks to everyone for tuning intothis penultimate episode. Again, if you haven't

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left us a voicemail, please visit our website atdynamicduel.com to do so. Yeah, click the red
microphone button. We'd love to hear from you guysand say our goodbyes. Thanks to everyone who's
helped to make this podcast possible. And we'lltalk to you guys next week up up and away. True
believers. Oh, so no more duels from here on out,huh? Thanks, guys. I guess I'll just go fuck

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