December 14, 2025 • 37 mins
In this Happy Hour episode of Eat, Drink, Smoke, Tony Katz and Fingers Moley review the Battleborn cigar, a military-inspired smoke with a Connecticut broadleaf wrapper and Nicaraguan filler. They discuss the cigar's unique characteristics, including its rich tobacco flavor and subtle fruit notes. Tony shares his thoughts on the cigar's value, saying it's worth the price for the good cause it supports, the Fisherhouse Foundation. The guys also dive into current events, including the impact of AI on the job market and the trend of "car spreading" in Europe.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You gotta love a cigar with purpose, really art with purpose,
like a focus and a vision. And that's what comes
from this from Ronesto Perez Carreo. This is the battle Born.
It's he drink smoke. I'm Tony Katz and that right
there is America's favorite amateur drinker. Fingers molloy Forged in strength,
(00:24):
built for honor. What was that designed to perform? It's
a little hard to read there in the gold printing
on the green label, but this is a nod to
the military because over there Careo they have got a
guy by the name of Lionel McCoy who spent two
decades in the military, and so they got with him
he works at Coreo, and said, hey, let's design something
(00:48):
that is for the soldiers. And this is what they
came up with, a Connecticut broadleaf wrapper, which I do
love Mexicans. He and Andreas in the binder nik when
in the filler it comes in one size. It's a
six by fifty six, which means it's six inches long.
Tea always makes Fingersilloy laugh. And the ring age is
(01:09):
a fifty six. The diameter of the cigar, or how
thick it is around me tee again with the laughter.
So fifty four is really the top of where I
like to be in terms of comfort. But wanted to
give this a try. And that is it's not a
saddle leather. It's not a luxurious rapper. It's not even
a question of whether or not the rapper is rich.
(01:31):
Doesn't have that darkness, it doesn't have that oily sheen.
This this cigar looks like it could punch you in
the face and then make fun of your sister fingers looy.
That's the it's it's not pretty, and I don't mind that.
I'm just saying, if you want to talk about oily
(01:51):
or the look or the modeled black no, no, no,
this looks almost like a matte finish on a cigar.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That's fair. But what as far as the look of
the cigar. If you're saying that the wrapper isn't the
most pleasing, yeah, that you saw where I was gonna
go with this. The band is beautiful. So the band
is done in gold and green, right in military green.
It is a little it's a little hard to read.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And I'll tell you right now, maybe this is my
humidor I don't know if yours is mine's dry, and
I don't know if it's the way I bought it
or what have you. I mean, I've got everything in
my humid or, but right now it's a little bit dry.
Do not be alarmed. It might smoke just fine, don't freak,
don't lose your head, but it should when you feel
(02:39):
something like that in a cigar. Just take a look
at everything. Make sure you've got your distilled water, and
they're always distilled water in your humid or. Otherwise you'll
get a mold issue or use one of those packs,
whether it's from bovedas I Car, wherever it may be.
They're not sponsors. We just think the product does a
good work. Fingers, I'm about to light mine up. You've
just lit this up where well, First of all, the
(03:01):
draw was a little tight.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
But because you mentioned that it is dry, and I
noticed that as well, I was a little hesitant to
do the old pinchion roll right.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
That's where you put it between your thumb and your
point your finger. You just roll it back and forth,
that's all.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
But I was worried that may crack the wrapper, so
I avoided doing that, and it actually the draw is
much easier now and it's I believe where it should
be nice, pleasant smoke coming off of this. There's a
richness to this, you know, rich tobacco note and then
maybe a little bit of chocolate, not getting a whole
heck of a lot of spice off of this stick.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So, by the way, that is a great example of
don't get into too many bad habits. The cigar is
draw It's like, oh, it's gonna be a problem. You
used to a cigar is a little more spongy, feel
a little more give to it. So you start rolling
it the first You don't know what the problem is.
You don't know if there's gonna be a problem. Don't
prethink that, which is what you did. You're like, I
(03:57):
see X that it's dry, but I'm not going to
prejudge what might happen. And now he's smoking a beautifully
well crafted cigar. Excellent work. Fingers more, thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I did not pull out my jump to conclusions, Matt.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Thank goodness, Thank goodness. Get your notebooks out, pull those out.
What did you eat today? What did you drink today?
It's all going to go down in the notebook. And
the weather. The weather is suck in Indianapolis, Indiana. I
believe that's a technical term, fingers moloon.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yes, it goes. It's actually scientific. We use it a
lot over at the Fingers Maloy Institute for Institutes of Institutes.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Right right, So there's cold, there's really cold. There's what's
happening here There sucks, and there's I'm moving. We're just
about to the I'm moving stage of cold weather in
the Midwest.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, we've had a lot of snow, a little ice
in the morning. Sometimes we're having foggy mornings when it's
fifteen degrees outside. Just crap weather altogether.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yes, So for everybody listening on WDBO in Orlando, we
never liked you. Thank you. If everybody listening in Anchorage,
We're sorry, we're complaining. We'll stop now. So, yeah, I
think you're right. Smoking the Ernesta Perez Creo ep Coreo
the battle Born. Uh, if there is a spice, it
(05:20):
is it is from the wood flavoring that that I'm
getting right there. There definitely is a tobacco forward in this.
I would say that that's an accurate uh this description,
Uh from this cigar. There's also and it's gonna you're
thinking gonna sound weird. I don't mean to sound weird.
(05:41):
There's something fruity going on.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Okay, there's dark fruit a pair is it is it?
Is it a pear or is it more dark fruit
like a like a a prune.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
First of all, I would go more with a plum.
It's it says if the richness is a bit acidic.
Oh God, that sounded pretentious as hell. And I had
my hand like on my cheek like I'm Jack Benny.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
By the way, you kids under fifty, asked Jeeves, Jack Benny.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I almost did a whole Rochester thing. Uh so, yeah,
it's so so you're there's a little bit, there's a
sweet and then there's a spice, which both could come
from that idea. So I'm not sure yet. As I
just lit this up. The feel of this is right.
The look of this, as I said, is is is
(06:40):
like this this matt uh brown. It's it's just it's
it's it's not shimmery, it's not shining. You don't feel it.
There's no grit, but there are on the on the wrapper,
but there's it's not smooth either. You know, you'd almost
expect this to be like a military cigar right forward
(07:00):
coming at you. This is what we do. And if
you don't like it, that's all right, We're still gonna
take your land. It's like like that's it's like patent.
If he were going to smoke a cigar, this would
be it right here, right it is. It is very
very straightforward. But it does have a little it does
have a little kick, It does have a little touch
there of something that that is. Is it smooth? Is
(07:24):
it just is it just shaving off the edges right now?
I'm not saying it's too harsh, just just a little.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I just wish you could retrohale, because did you just
do it? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And that's moving the smoke out through the nostrils where
you have a lot more flavor receptors.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I almost get a little bit of floral when I
do that. But I notice when I retrohale a lot,
I get a little bit of a floral note that
I don't get when I'm normally smoking, because I don't
normally retrohal unless I do a review.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
But you don't retrohale, So I know if I did,
I would immediately die. I would be dead, and then
it would be eat, drink, smoke with finger. There's malloy
and guest and son Jack Benny Fingers malloy, is this
in your Humidor for twenty three dollars a step.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
We're gonna have to get much more into the first third,
end of the second third, and maybe the final third.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And by the way, proceeds from this go to a
place called Fisherhouse Foundation. A portion of every cigar goes
to that. So it's a little bit of a charitable
love fest. And fine, yes, it's in my humid Or.
See that career. We love you that much. The Battleborn
they call it the Battleborne Warrior. You want to check
that out, Grab one smoke along with us. Let us
know what you think. So Black Friday has come in.
(08:45):
It is gone yet somehow you can still get all
the Black Friday deals like they're everywhere. It started three
months ago. You can still get there. There was Independence
Day and then July fifth it was Black Friday, and
the deal are still there, except some of them made
people unhappy. Tony Katz Fingers Bloy, it's eat, drink, smoke.
(09:05):
Good to be with you find it all wherever it is.
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the story fingers bloyant that Target has angered the customers.
They are upset, they are going to riot. Things are
going to get ugly.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Well, this already happened, Tony. They were already. They were
already angry because, as you know, Tony, one of my
passions in life is to monitor social media outrage.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Ellen, does it better?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Thank you so much so? Black Friday Target, Yes. One
of the promotions that they had was offering the first
one hundred shoppers who entered its store at six am
a complimentary swag bag containing free items. It also said
that one of these bags contained an extra prize, valued
(09:59):
at night or more. The prize could be a ninja
slushy Love.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Me and Ninja slushy. You're gonna get two of them,
aren't you?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yes, one for each hand, Beats headphones okay again, one
for each hand, maybe a one gift card to Target.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Who wouldn't love that?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So people because of this promotion started to line up,
many at three o'clock in the morning waiting for the
possibility of getting a really sweet ninja slushy or some.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Beats, But only one person was gonna get that. Yes,
so one hundred bags, first hundred people, they're gonna swag bag.
In one of those bags, you could have ended up
with beats or a slushy.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yes, But according to the street dot com, some customers
who received a gift bag without an extra prize were
not satisfied with the items inside the swag bag. Are
you ready for what was in the swag bag?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
On? I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna guess. I was going
to say a five dollars gift card, but nope, I
think that'd be too much. You're right, that is too much.
I'm going to say a pen I used suck and
a gift card to Kmart. That's what I'm going with.
(11:21):
That's that's my that's my guess.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
About as valuable. Okay, uh, the small bag included.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Hold on, before we go any further. Was this at
all target locations or is this at a specific target location? This?
And is it? Is it in like a knockoff target?
It's spelled with two t's at the front targeting target
right right, it's t moo target. This just says target.
So we got to assume this is the target target target. Yes,
(11:52):
this isn't like McDowell's to McDonald's and coming to America.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
No, and it's not okay.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
The the swag bag included a small back of gummies.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Wait what kind of gummies?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Apparently just the run of the mill candy kind of
some gummy bears, some gummy bears, A deck of Uno cards.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I already want to reverse.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Your hair may have gotten dirty while in line. So
they included a travel sized shampoo bottle, and some lip oil.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Wow, so the car you suck.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Three am, they show up and they have Uno cards,
which they could easily find in their junk drawer. Right, everybody,
you go in the junk drawer, you got keys from
cars you had fifteen years ago, sitting right next to
the deck of Uno cards. Lip bomb, Oh excuse me,
lip oil bomb versus oil.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
To bomb versus oil has been the back and forth
amongst people for the centuries. Yeah, this is what actually
led to the fight between the hat Fields and the McCoy's.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Travel size shampoo and gummies.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
All right, that's stupid. That is a fundamentally dumb thing
to do. You and I have not been in a
target and how long when's the last time you were
in a target store? A couple weeks ago. I was it. Yes,
you know how long for me seventeen years ago.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
If I'm putting things into a gift bag, thinking I've
got one hundred people, the first thing I'm putting in
there is the five dollars gift card, right, yes, Because
it doesn't matter who you are, You're like, all right,
i'll get five bucks off. Something will cost I'll buy
ten bucks. It will cost me half. All right, I'll
feel good. Five hundred bucks agreed. Target times all the stores.
(13:53):
But immediately people feel like, okay, that's great. If you
went ten, people be like okay, that's they'd be like,
I'm getting a gift for so and so won't cost
me anything. Great. In their head, they'll be like Target
is terrific, and they'll buy more stuff. That would be
number one er number two? I I what would be
the number two thing that you would throw in from Target? Right?
(14:19):
They don't. I don't think all of them do the
popcorn anymore? So I would not have thrown in the popcorn.
But I would have thrown in some kind of kitchen gadget,
whether it be a scoop or whether it would have
been you know, a set of measuring spoons or something
like that. Suddenly that someone could go, you know what,
stocking suffer? Great? You know what grandma needs? This perfect.
(14:39):
They took care of it for me. Done. It's it's
all plastic, gonna cost a nickel A sham Wow, A
loofa would have been don't eat the shampoo. Who doesn't
love a loofah? A loofah is a gift. And if
you're gonna give the shampoo, first of all, it shouldn't
be shampoo. It should be some kind of of soap,
some kind of uh something like that, and then you
(15:01):
add the loof of to it. This doesn't take much.
We're two guys who figured this out. For all the
underwomen in.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Line, I completely agree with you, and.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I assumed they were women because I am a sexist.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I completely agree with you that even though a five
dollars gift card isn't a lot, you would still be
walking away thinking, Okay, I got a little something out
of this one one TikTok influencer Tony TikTok influence. Yes,
I'm quoting this person from the street dot Com said,
literally just played myself waiting five hours outside in the
(15:37):
cold to try to get this target swag bag, and
I did give everything away pretty much except for the
I guess it was Elf lip gloss and the Uno cards.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Elf, No, he's friend because Elf. If you remember the
alien Elf, he had a big snot with the with
the lifts.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
That's Alf. Oh that's ELFLF.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
So there you have it. You've got people running to
TikTok right away, upset with target. Target has uh. Let
let's face it, without getting too deep into the story,
has has ticked off a lot of people in the
last few years, and this just seems like another example
of people making decisions.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
It's it's not my fault that they don't know how
to do this. It's not my fault that they haven't
figured it out. It's not my fault that they don't
have anybody there who has any level of common sense.
What are you saving the money for? What are you doing?
Don't think about Okay, we've got an extra thousand of these,
let's just throw them in there. Think of what is
(16:44):
going to create the further connection between you and and
your buyer. It's the connection matter. Do we not understand marketing?
One on one? How do they feel about you?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'm impressed that you understood ELF.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Oh yeah, I'm a man who knows many, many things many.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
So what does ELF stand for?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
It stands for electric light fun.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
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Speaker 1 (17:15):
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(17:37):
Let's go barbecue at Amazon dot com. We are smoking
from ep Korea. This is the Battle Born. This was
done in conjunction with one of their employees who spent
twenty years in the military, and part of the proceeds
here goes to Fisherhouse Foundation, as the story goes, and
this cigar six six by fifty six six fifty six
(18:00):
comes in at twenty three dollars a stick here. This
is with the Connecticut broad leaf in the wrapper, and
then it is a Mexican Nicaraguan and the binder and
that's Sen Andreas and the binder and then the Nicaraguan
filler and you know, Mexican Sen Andreas give you that
(18:21):
sweet a little bit of chocolate, things like that. That's
not what you get here. As Fingers said, this is
the kind of cigar that would make you think a patent. Right.
It's coming straight forward and it's right at you, and
it's coming for blood, and if it could, it would
take on Stalin. It's just that direct and that focused.
This from what we're told, the EPCOREO battle Born is
(18:44):
actually actually referred to as the Battleborn Warrior because this
size they refer to as the warrior size, so it's
the battle Born Warriors. They say, this is a full
fingers medium, right, Yeah, this is not as big as
I thought it would be. It is. It is a
(19:04):
nice presentation though. It's actually a very very nice spoke smoke.
It's not as so much a spice as it would is.
It a fruit that kind of exists on the tongue.
There's really nothing in the cheek. There's some nice smoke
that comes off of it, but none of those vanilla creams,
none of that nuttiness. I don't get any of that
maybe it'll develop as we're starting to work into the
(19:24):
second third fingers, But so far, nice cigar.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, it's rich, a tobacco forward it to me.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
There.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I was expecting it to have a little bit more
spice to it than it does.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Right at slight at best.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, there's not a lot here that really you know,
there's not like four or five notes that you'll you know,
hit you right in the face or anything. It's just
been a very solid smoke and it's been very enjoyable.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, but it's twenty three dollars a stick. Now it's
for the military, if you will with them in mind,
part of the proceeds goes to Fisher's house. You could
do it for those reasons. Twenty three is hard on
this cigar. But I will tell you it's smoking very well.
Because I said it felt dry, right, maybe it's my
(20:16):
humid or something else. I've done little touchups because you
know we're talking, But in the main, it's smoked. It's
smoking beautifully. Yeah, it's I mean, the cigar is smoking
very very well. I'm super I'm super plased with it.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
If we're just gonna be completely honest.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
We're not We're not gonna be completely honest.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Listen, when it comes, we're gonna be a liar. Now.
You know what I'm saying. Where I'm going with this
is because it's a it's for a good cause, right,
I would prefer this to be fourteen dollars a stick.
Fifteen dollars a stick, were twenty three dollars a stick, yes,
I would have one of these in my humid or.
Because it goes to a good cause. It's definitely worth
(20:59):
your time. It's been a pleasant smoking experience. But you
start getting twenty three dollars a stick, it's like, oh boy,
but because of what you know, it's a charity cigar,
and yeah, I would have these money.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
And I get it. You know they're adding some more tobacco.
It's got that double binder that that's taking place there.
It's it's it's a little steep. Twenty three is a
little steep. But is it a nice stick? I would
smoke another one.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
You think I'm not being fair. At fifteen you think.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
It, well, you were at fourteen. Now you're upping it.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
At fifteen you start selling me. I mean, okay, okay,
but what what what what did you wish this cigar?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Would be I was expecting to spend three hundred dollars
on this cigar. Oh boy, yeah, fourteen to seventeen, I
thought it would be. No, I'm not giving you a
hard time at all. You gave you a heart tak.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
You were giving me. It felt like you were giving me.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
A heart snotch true at all. But check it out
for yourself and let us know what you think of
the battleborn here. It's smoking, well, it's easy, it is
not It is not a full it's not a full.
Now medium with a little bit of a kick, a
(22:15):
little bit of a hat.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
You're just getting into the second third of the cigar.
So maybe, well both of our opinions on this cigar
will change as we move further down.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
But maybe by the way, you want to get your
notebooks out. What did you eat today? What did you
drink today? Right? You want to write all that down,
the weather that we talked about, and then break the
cigar into third's first, third, second, third, final third. We
talked about this earlier but we didn't finish it. And
then what you want to do is what are the
flavors you're getting out of that? Right? Write them down
in your notebook. And when you try the cigar a
month from now, six months from now, for whatever it is,
(22:46):
you do it again and you kind of see where
your notes were and see your through line. What is
it that you really picked up out of the cigar.
It's a great way to study and learn what you're
interested in. By the way, my HVAC system, the heat
in the studio just did like it does this kind
of like flush out every now and again where kind
of like resets itself and it sounds like an airlock
opening and predator is going to come in. And it
(23:08):
just happened, and Fingers freaked, that was actually me. You know, no,
it wasn't. I know what you sound like. You sound
much worse than my mini split system here. But it's
time Fingers for News of the week.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Tony CNBC has the story November private payrolls unexpectedly fell
by thirty two thousand.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, so understand that when we're recording, we don't have
the official number yet from Bureau of Labor Statistics. It's
also a real question about what the BLS is going
to be able to put out right. What is it
that they're going to say, who's back at work post shutdown?
Everything else I study, I talked to economists and my
(23:52):
other gig as a radio host syndicated, and then here
in Indianapolis, I have no idea what's going on. I
am Talley. I nothing makes sense. The ten year treasury
is at four percent plus and that's what the thirty
year fixed mortgage is based on, and that hasn't really moved.
(24:14):
And then you see the bitcoin prices and the crypto
prices falling off a cliff. You see that people spent
more on Black Friday, nine point one percent more on
Black Friday, but they bought luxury goods, not multiplicity of goods,
so they spent more money on less things. And then gold,
(24:35):
at my last check was at forty two hundred dollars
an ounce, and silver is at fifty eight. I sold
my silver at fifty one full disclosure, so early. Now.
I did well on the silver, I'm not complaining about it.
One of the few things I've done well at in
my investments. But fifty eight would have been better. Also,
(24:56):
fifty eight that's a hedge against inflation. Do you tell
me see what's going on?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Well, you know, my philosophy is sell low and buy high.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Bravo.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Thank you, and so now you tell me thirty thousand jobs, Yeah,
thirty two thousand. Here's what's interesting about these statistics. According
to CNBC, larger businesses entailing companies with fifty or more
employees actually reported in that gain of ninety thousand workers.
Where the job losses came were businesses with fewer than
fifty employees. That's where we saw the client of one
(25:28):
hundred and twenty thousand jobs.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
So a little bit of this is an AI play,
and it's hard to blame the economy, although I'm telling
you I don't understand the economy. The AI play is
ups Verizon HP. They're shitting tens of thousands of jobs
(25:51):
on Amazon, tens of thousands of jobs, including on the
corporate level. They're going to try and replace things with
AI and see how much that that can work. So
a lot of this is just new tech revolution. And
the thing that's taking the jobs is also the thing
that's pouring trillions into the market. Money is being invested
into AI, infrastructure and chips and everything else left right
(26:14):
and center. So again it leads to this crazy level
of confusion. I'm not quite sure what to make.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I feel like it won't seem to matter what is
reported when it comes to the economy, because there's so
much uncertainty of AI's impact on the job market that
you're gonna have millions of Americans who are just gonna
always feel uneasy as they see AI's impact in how
it's becoming.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
But uneasy for what what are they What is AI
really making someone feel uneasy about it?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
It's easier to worry about losing your job than it
is to think that everything's going well because most people
are pessimists.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Oh you say most people? You mean that's what I thought.
Is it really called car spreading? I mean, is that
really the terminology we're going with right now? This is
this is what they're calling it. In Europe they are oh,
oh Europe, Well, okay, then T Drink Smoke. I'm Tony Katz.
(27:19):
That's fingers from the way. You find everything we do
at Eatdrink Smoke Show dot com. Get the podcast wherever
it is you get your podcasts, just search for Eat
Drink Smoke. This is from the BBC. That's that's a
that's a big outfit in the UK. The UK is
the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom includes England. I digress UH.
In the UK and across Europe, cars are steadily becoming longer, wider,
(27:44):
and heavier.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Same season.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Consumers like them. Big cars are seeing as practical, safe
and stylish, and sales are growing, but some cities want
to clamp down. So the issue here is that people
are getting bigger vehicles, like we in the United States
have come to realize that the suv or the minivan
is the only way to travel and everything else is stupid,
(28:13):
aside from a convertible.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
You know, it's your Yeah, you're right. I have a
sedan that I use for my commute, and that's It's
a long community. As you know, Tony. I have sixty
two gigs, and so I'm in my car all the time,
and I have a more economical vehicle.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
You said it before.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I have a Chevy volt.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
One of the gigs that I have. They let me
charge it for free, so I get a lot of
free mileage out of that. Out of that volt, I
don't have to pay for a charge.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
And your other vehicle is is an suv, yes, And
your other vehicle after that is the most uneconomical pickup
truck in the history of the mankind.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Then that is the SSR. Yes, Chevy SSR. And I
have a GMC Acadia right.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So, by the way, the Chevy SSR he has is
in yellow. It is such a beautiful story. Can I
embarrass you? The truck that his father got for his mother,
then his mother passed away and now he has the
truck and it's in this yellow and it is so
incredibly cool to see him driving down the street. See
(29:25):
the way he babies this thing. He has never gone
above thirty two miles an hour in this vehicle. It's
not true, spec He's never gone above thirty. It's spectacle.
It is one of the more Every time I see
you in it, it's beautiful, it's touching. I'm like, good
for you. Good. I love every every part of it.
(29:45):
But you have to admit that for as good as
the boult is and over engineered and the hybrid, and
America is totally down with hybrids. They aren't down with electric,
but hybrid makes perfect sense to Americans, are like, absolutely,
get me from from seventeen miles a gallon to forty
three miles a gallon, Fine by me, fine, I just
or to twenty six or to thirty great but they
(30:08):
want big and they want comfortable. And I thought car
spreading had to do with man spreading when you're sitting
and you spread your legs because you just want to
really be all relaxed down there.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I hate it when people try, well, I'm not going
to go down that road. People trying to trying to
lecture guys on man spreading, and most of the people
who are doing that aren't men and don't understand. Having
said that, though, getting back to car spreading, you know
the VOLTI drive, I wish it were three quarter ton
pickup truck. Yeah, that would be the vehicle that I
(30:42):
would like to drive. But it's not economical. But you
feel safer in it. Big, more comfort, you know. It's
it's something that Europeans are starting to realize when for
years it felt like Europeans would make fun of Americans
and their big SUVs.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
So I because I have a local sponsorship deal with
with a Ford dealership in Indianapolis, I drive the Ford Lightning,
the F one fifty Lightning, and there's a whole conversation
whether they're going to end the production of that. I
have a friend who has the electric Hummer, the new
Hummer EV I have driven both. The Hummer ev is
(31:21):
an absolutely beautiful, beautiful vehicle. I think that the Lightning
is more comfortable of a vehicle. I love it to death,
but I work from home. It's fine by me. Nobody
else is doing this. It doesn't make sense. Electric vehicle
makes sense for like four percent of the population. But
(31:43):
I have tried from Ford the electric Mustang, which I
don't know why they call it a Mustang, but we're
not going to get into that fight right now. It's cool.
It ain't nothing compared to the Lightning, to the feeld
of that truck. Now, the actual Mustang, the real must
Oh that thing all day that thing in inconvertible all
(32:03):
day long. But it is true. It's it is more comfortable.
You feel better in it, at least I do for sure.
The only time I feel better. And I find myself
looking like some of those seventy one oldsmobiles like the
coming more and more modern like me and a group
of guys keep looking for a DTS Cadillac like twenty
(32:26):
twenty eleven when they last made them, because first of all,
smoke cigars in it. That's your traveling humidor. And the
thing is a freaking cloud man. General Motors did it
beautifully on that thing. You're just riding along. You forget
that it's actually a car. You're just floating. Life is
grand thing. Those things are to me the stuff, but
(32:49):
it's still it's big. It's big car or.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Big suv, especially this time of year, right when you
are driving around and at any point you go down
the road, all of a sudden, six inches of snow
just falls out of the sky, out of nowhere, not
expecting it, and then it just feels safer and you
feel much more comfortable in a bigger vehicle.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
The problem Europe has is that they don't have the
streets for this. If you've ever been to any European city,
they don't have streets that can handle big stuff. Their
highway system maybe, but they're streets, absolutely not. And they
have a very different view of climate than we do.
(33:32):
I don't think you should burn tires in the middle
of the road everybody. I think you should be aware
of the environment, and I would argue that one should
be happy with and be respectful of people or conservationists
actual science and methodologies that create better outcomes that aren't
(33:52):
impactful on how humans exist. That's different than an environmentalist
who is radical to the point of culture like that
wants to fundamentally change how the human being actually exists
and survives and remove the things that have allowed for
human flourishing, like, for example, the automobile, like for example,
air conditioning. If you didn't have air conditioning, places like
(34:16):
Houston and places like Tampa Bay would not exist. You
couldn't be there, it wouldn't work to the extent that
it does. And these technologies have allowed for opportunity, and
certainly the car, which is the ultimate in mobility, change
the way human beings live for forever. The environmentalist doesn't
(34:37):
want that. The conservationist might be in a discussion of
how you go about either better fueling or something else,
but not to the point of saying you shouldn't be
allowed to do such a thing. That's always been my differentiation.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, and you're seeing they may see it differently, it's
all I say. And you're seeing governments around Europe pushing
back against these vehicles getting bigger and bigger. They just
passed in Paris and ordinance where it's going to cost
more to park heavy vehicles, and the mayor of Paris said, look,
the larger the vehicle is, the more it pollutes, and
(35:12):
so they're going to go after it, much like because
of what you said about environmental concerns in Europe and.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
So Europe it was Sweden that started this. I believe
it was Sweden. Something called Vision zero, which check your city.
It's there now. In the United States, it's right here
in Indianapolis. Vision zero is predicated on the idea that
if we work hard, we can eliminate all car accidents.
So the vision is zero auto accidents and fatalities zero.
(35:40):
Do you know how that's done, Fingers boy, I've never
discussed this with you. How do you get to zero
car accidents by everyone using public transportation or staying home? Right?
Vision zero is not something that's about creating a better,
safer society. It's about ending auto transport and preventing people
from having indo visualized mobility and therefore being focused only
(36:03):
in reliant only on central planning what the government creates. Now,
we're not a political show when we do, eat, drink, smoke,
but it's undoubtedly true. So this idea of taxing larger cars,
they see you see that in the United States all
the time, all the time. But it's what Americans want.
It's what people want. They do want the safety in
the security. They do want steel, they want a more
(36:25):
comfortable ride, and they want a man.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Spread yes and bring back more stealing cars.
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You gotta love a cigar with purpose, really art with purpose,
like a focus and a vision. And that's what comes
from this from Ronesto Perez Carreo. This is the battle Born.
It's he drink smoke. I'm Tony Katz and that right
there is America's favorite amateur drinker. Fingers molloy Forged in strength,
(00:24):
built for honor. What was that designed to perform? It's
a little hard to read there in the gold printing
on the green label, but this is a nod to
the military because over there Careo they have got a
guy by the name of Lionel McCoy who spent two
decades in the military, and so they got with him
he works at Coreo, and said, hey, let's design something
(00:48):
that is for the soldiers. And this is what they
came up with, a Connecticut broadleaf wrapper, which I do
love Mexicans. He and Andreas in the binder nik when
in the filler it comes in one size. It's a
six by fifty six, which means it's six inches long.
Tea always makes Fingersilloy laugh. And the ring age is
(01:09):
a fifty six. The diameter of the cigar, or how
thick it is around me tee again with the laughter.
So fifty four is really the top of where I
like to be in terms of comfort. But wanted to
give this a try. And that is it's not a
saddle leather. It's not a luxurious rapper. It's not even
a question of whether or not the rapper is rich.
(01:31):
Doesn't have that darkness, it doesn't have that oily sheen.
This this cigar looks like it could punch you in
the face and then make fun of your sister fingers looy.
That's the it's it's not pretty, and I don't mind that.
I'm just saying, if you want to talk about oily
(01:51):
or the look or the modeled black no, no, no,
this looks almost like a matte finish on a cigar.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That's fair. But what as far as the look of
the cigar. If you're saying that the wrapper isn't the
most pleasing, yeah, that you saw where I was gonna
go with this. The band is beautiful. So the band
is done in gold and green, right in military green.
It is a little it's a little hard to read.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And I'll tell you right now, maybe this is my
humidor I don't know if yours is mine's dry, and
I don't know if it's the way I bought it
or what have you. I mean, I've got everything in
my humid or, but right now it's a little bit dry.
Do not be alarmed. It might smoke just fine, don't freak,
don't lose your head, but it should when you feel
(02:39):
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they're always distilled water in your humid or. Otherwise you'll
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They're not sponsors. We just think the product does a
good work. Fingers, I'm about to light mine up. You've
just lit this up where well, First of all, the
(03:01):
draw was a little tight.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
But because you mentioned that it is dry, and I
noticed that as well, I was a little hesitant to
do the old pinchion roll right.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
That's where you put it between your thumb and your
point your finger. You just roll it back and forth,
that's all.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
But I was worried that may crack the wrapper, so
I avoided doing that, and it actually the draw is
much easier now and it's I believe where it should
be nice, pleasant smoke coming off of this. There's a
richness to this, you know, rich tobacco note and then
maybe a little bit of chocolate, not getting a whole
heck of a lot of spice off of this stick.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So, by the way, that is a great example of
don't get into too many bad habits. The cigar is
draw It's like, oh, it's gonna be a problem. You
used to a cigar is a little more spongy, feel
a little more give to it. So you start rolling
it the first You don't know what the problem is.
You don't know if there's gonna be a problem. Don't
prethink that, which is what you did. You're like, I
(03:57):
see X that it's dry, but I'm not going to
prejudge what might happen. And now he's smoking a beautifully
well crafted cigar. Excellent work. Fingers more, thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I did not pull out my jump to conclusions, Matt.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Thank goodness, Thank goodness. Get your notebooks out, pull those out.
What did you eat today? What did you drink today?
It's all going to go down in the notebook. And
the weather. The weather is suck in Indianapolis, Indiana. I
believe that's a technical term, fingers moloon.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yes, it goes. It's actually scientific. We use it a
lot over at the Fingers Maloy Institute for Institutes of Institutes.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Right right, So there's cold, there's really cold. There's what's
happening here There sucks, and there's I'm moving. We're just
about to the I'm moving stage of cold weather in
the Midwest.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, we've had a lot of snow, a little ice
in the morning. Sometimes we're having foggy mornings when it's
fifteen degrees outside. Just crap weather altogether.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yes, So for everybody listening on WDBO in Orlando, we
never liked you. Thank you. If everybody listening in Anchorage,
We're sorry, we're complaining. We'll stop now. So, yeah, I
think you're right. Smoking the Ernesta Perez Creo ep Coreo
the battle Born. Uh, if there is a spice, it
(05:20):
is it is from the wood flavoring that that I'm
getting right there. There definitely is a tobacco forward in this.
I would say that that's an accurate uh this description,
Uh from this cigar. There's also and it's gonna you're
thinking gonna sound weird. I don't mean to sound weird.
(05:41):
There's something fruity going on.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Okay, there's dark fruit a pair is it is it?
Is it a pear or is it more dark fruit
like a like a a prune.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
First of all, I would go more with a plum.
It's it says if the richness is a bit acidic.
Oh God, that sounded pretentious as hell. And I had
my hand like on my cheek like I'm Jack Benny.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
By the way, you kids under fifty, asked Jeeves, Jack Benny.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I almost did a whole Rochester thing. Uh so, yeah,
it's so so you're there's a little bit, there's a
sweet and then there's a spice, which both could come
from that idea. So I'm not sure yet. As I
just lit this up. The feel of this is right.
The look of this, as I said, is is is
(06:40):
like this this matt uh brown. It's it's just it's
it's it's not shimmery, it's not shining. You don't feel it.
There's no grit, but there are on the on the wrapper,
but there's it's not smooth either. You know, you'd almost
expect this to be like a military cigar right forward
(07:00):
coming at you. This is what we do. And if
you don't like it, that's all right, We're still gonna
take your land. It's like like that's it's like patent.
If he were going to smoke a cigar, this would
be it right here, right it is. It is very
very straightforward. But it does have a little it does
have a little kick, It does have a little touch
there of something that that is. Is it smooth? Is
(07:24):
it just is it just shaving off the edges right now?
I'm not saying it's too harsh, just just a little.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I just wish you could retrohale, because did you just
do it? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And that's moving the smoke out through the nostrils where
you have a lot more flavor receptors.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I almost get a little bit of floral when I
do that. But I notice when I retrohale a lot,
I get a little bit of a floral note that
I don't get when I'm normally smoking, because I don't
normally retrohal unless I do a review.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
But you don't retrohale, So I know if I did,
I would immediately die. I would be dead, and then
it would be eat, drink, smoke with finger. There's malloy
and guest and son Jack Benny Fingers malloy, is this
in your Humidor for twenty three dollars a step.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
We're gonna have to get much more into the first third,
end of the second third, and maybe the final third.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
And by the way, proceeds from this go to a
place called Fisherhouse Foundation. A portion of every cigar goes
to that. So it's a little bit of a charitable
love fest. And fine, yes, it's in my humid Or.
See that career. We love you that much. The Battleborn
they call it the Battleborne Warrior. You want to check
that out, Grab one smoke along with us. Let us
know what you think. So Black Friday has come in.
(08:45):
It is gone yet somehow you can still get all
the Black Friday deals like they're everywhere. It started three
months ago. You can still get there. There was Independence
Day and then July fifth it was Black Friday, and
the deal are still there, except some of them made
people unhappy. Tony Katz Fingers Bloy, it's eat, drink, smoke.
(09:05):
Good to be with you find it all wherever it is.
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Be sure to subscribe to Eat, Drink Smoke. You found
the story fingers bloyant that Target has angered the customers.
They are upset, they are going to riot. Things are
going to get ugly.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Well, this already happened, Tony. They were already. They were
already angry because, as you know, Tony, one of my
passions in life is to monitor social media outrage.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Ellen, does it better?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Thank you so much so? Black Friday Target, Yes. One
of the promotions that they had was offering the first
one hundred shoppers who entered its store at six am
a complimentary swag bag containing free items. It also said
that one of these bags contained an extra prize, valued
(09:59):
at night or more. The prize could be a ninja
slushy Love.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Me and Ninja slushy. You're gonna get two of them,
aren't you?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yes, one for each hand, Beats headphones okay again, one
for each hand, maybe a one gift card to Target.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Who wouldn't love that?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So people because of this promotion started to line up,
many at three o'clock in the morning waiting for the
possibility of getting a really sweet ninja slushy or some.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Beats, But only one person was gonna get that. Yes,
so one hundred bags, first hundred people, they're gonna swag bag.
In one of those bags, you could have ended up
with beats or a slushy.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yes, But according to the street dot com, some customers
who received a gift bag without an extra prize were
not satisfied with the items inside the swag bag. Are
you ready for what was in the swag bag?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
On? I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna guess. I was going
to say a five dollars gift card, but nope, I
think that'd be too much. You're right, that is too much.
I'm going to say a pen I used suck and
a gift card to Kmart. That's what I'm going with.
(11:21):
That's that's my that's my guess.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
About as valuable. Okay, uh, the small bag included.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Hold on, before we go any further. Was this at
all target locations or is this at a specific target location? This?
And is it? Is it in like a knockoff target?
It's spelled with two t's at the front targeting target
right right, it's t moo target. This just says target.
So we got to assume this is the target target target. Yes,
(11:52):
this isn't like McDowell's to McDonald's and coming to America.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
No, and it's not okay.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
The the swag bag included a small back of gummies.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Wait what kind of gummies?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Apparently just the run of the mill candy kind of
some gummy bears, some gummy bears, A deck of Uno cards.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I already want to reverse.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Your hair may have gotten dirty while in line. So
they included a travel sized shampoo bottle, and some lip oil.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Wow, so the car you suck.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Three am, they show up and they have Uno cards,
which they could easily find in their junk drawer. Right, everybody,
you go in the junk drawer, you got keys from
cars you had fifteen years ago, sitting right next to
the deck of Uno cards. Lip bomb, Oh excuse me,
lip oil bomb versus oil.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
To bomb versus oil has been the back and forth
amongst people for the centuries. Yeah, this is what actually
led to the fight between the hat Fields and the McCoy's.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Travel size shampoo and gummies.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
All right, that's stupid. That is a fundamentally dumb thing
to do. You and I have not been in a
target and how long when's the last time you were
in a target store? A couple weeks ago. I was it. Yes,
you know how long for me seventeen years ago.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
If I'm putting things into a gift bag, thinking I've
got one hundred people, the first thing I'm putting in
there is the five dollars gift card, right, yes, Because
it doesn't matter who you are, You're like, all right,
i'll get five bucks off. Something will cost I'll buy
ten bucks. It will cost me half. All right, I'll
feel good. Five hundred bucks agreed. Target times all the stores.
(13:53):
But immediately people feel like, okay, that's great. If you
went ten, people be like okay, that's they'd be like,
I'm getting a gift for so and so won't cost
me anything. Great. In their head, they'll be like Target
is terrific, and they'll buy more stuff. That would be
number one er number two? I I what would be
the number two thing that you would throw in from Target? Right?
(14:19):
They don't. I don't think all of them do the
popcorn anymore? So I would not have thrown in the popcorn.
But I would have thrown in some kind of kitchen gadget,
whether it be a scoop or whether it would have
been you know, a set of measuring spoons or something
like that. Suddenly that someone could go, you know what,
stocking suffer? Great? You know what grandma needs? This perfect.
(14:39):
They took care of it for me. Done. It's it's
all plastic, gonna cost a nickel A sham Wow, A
loofa would have been don't eat the shampoo. Who doesn't
love a loofah? A loofah is a gift. And if
you're gonna give the shampoo, first of all, it shouldn't
be shampoo. It should be some kind of of soap,
some kind of uh something like that, and then you
(15:01):
add the loof of to it. This doesn't take much.
We're two guys who figured this out. For all the
underwomen in.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Line, I completely agree with you, and.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I assumed they were women because I am a sexist.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I completely agree with you that even though a five
dollars gift card isn't a lot, you would still be
walking away thinking, Okay, I got a little something out
of this one one TikTok influencer Tony TikTok influence. Yes,
I'm quoting this person from the street dot Com said,
literally just played myself waiting five hours outside in the
(15:37):
cold to try to get this target swag bag, and
I did give everything away pretty much except for the
I guess it was Elf lip gloss and the Uno cards.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Elf, No, he's friend because Elf. If you remember the
alien Elf, he had a big snot with the with
the lifts.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
That's Alf. Oh that's ELFLF.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
So there you have it. You've got people running to
TikTok right away, upset with target. Target has uh. Let
let's face it, without getting too deep into the story,
has has ticked off a lot of people in the
last few years, and this just seems like another example
of people making decisions.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
It's it's not my fault that they don't know how
to do this. It's not my fault that they haven't
figured it out. It's not my fault that they don't
have anybody there who has any level of common sense.
What are you saving the money for? What are you doing?
Don't think about Okay, we've got an extra thousand of these,
let's just throw them in there. Think of what is
(16:44):
going to create the further connection between you and and
your buyer. It's the connection matter. Do we not understand marketing?
One on one? How do they feel about you?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'm impressed that you understood ELF.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Oh yeah, I'm a man who knows many, many things many.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
So what does ELF stand for?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
It stands for electric light fun.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You know what's great about E Rink Smoke You end
up learning something.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
That's sometimes what happens here. Eat Drink Smoke. It is
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(17:37):
Let's go barbecue at Amazon dot com. We are smoking
from ep Korea. This is the Battle Born. This was
done in conjunction with one of their employees who spent
twenty years in the military, and part of the proceeds
here goes to Fisherhouse Foundation, as the story goes, and
this cigar six six by fifty six six fifty six
(18:00):
comes in at twenty three dollars a stick here. This
is with the Connecticut broad leaf in the wrapper, and
then it is a Mexican Nicaraguan and the binder and
that's Sen Andreas and the binder and then the Nicaraguan
filler and you know, Mexican Sen Andreas give you that
(18:21):
sweet a little bit of chocolate, things like that. That's
not what you get here. As Fingers said, this is
the kind of cigar that would make you think a patent. Right.
It's coming straight forward and it's right at you, and
it's coming for blood, and if it could, it would
take on Stalin. It's just that direct and that focused.
This from what we're told, the EPCOREO battle Born is
(18:44):
actually actually referred to as the Battleborn Warrior because this
size they refer to as the warrior size, so it's
the battle Born Warriors. They say, this is a full
fingers medium, right, Yeah, this is not as big as
I thought it would be. It is. It is a
(19:04):
nice presentation though. It's actually a very very nice spoke smoke.
It's not as so much a spice as it would is.
It a fruit that kind of exists on the tongue.
There's really nothing in the cheek. There's some nice smoke
that comes off of it, but none of those vanilla creams,
none of that nuttiness. I don't get any of that
maybe it'll develop as we're starting to work into the
(19:24):
second third fingers, But so far, nice cigar.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Yeah, it's rich, a tobacco forward it to me.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
There.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
I was expecting it to have a little bit more
spice to it than it does.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Right at slight at best.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, there's not a lot here that really you know,
there's not like four or five notes that you'll you know,
hit you right in the face or anything. It's just
been a very solid smoke and it's been very enjoyable.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, but it's twenty three dollars a stick. Now it's
for the military, if you will with them in mind,
part of the proceeds goes to Fisher's house. You could
do it for those reasons. Twenty three is hard on
this cigar. But I will tell you it's smoking very well.
Because I said it felt dry, right, maybe it's my
(20:16):
humid or something else. I've done little touchups because you
know we're talking, But in the main, it's smoked. It's
smoking beautifully. Yeah, it's I mean, the cigar is smoking
very very well. I'm super I'm super plased with it.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
If we're just gonna be completely honest.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
We're not We're not gonna be completely honest.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Listen, when it comes, we're gonna be a liar. Now.
You know what I'm saying. Where I'm going with this
is because it's a it's for a good cause, right,
I would prefer this to be fourteen dollars a stick.
Fifteen dollars a stick, were twenty three dollars a stick, yes,
I would have one of these in my humid or.
Because it goes to a good cause. It's definitely worth
(20:59):
your time. It's been a pleasant smoking experience. But you
start getting twenty three dollars a stick, it's like, oh boy,
but because of what you know, it's a charity cigar,
and yeah, I would have these money.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
And I get it. You know they're adding some more tobacco.
It's got that double binder that that's taking place there.
It's it's it's a little steep. Twenty three is a
little steep. But is it a nice stick? I would
smoke another one.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
You think I'm not being fair. At fifteen you think.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
It, well, you were at fourteen. Now you're upping it.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
At fifteen you start selling me. I mean, okay, okay,
but what what what what did you wish this cigar?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Would be I was expecting to spend three hundred dollars
on this cigar. Oh boy, yeah, fourteen to seventeen, I
thought it would be. No, I'm not giving you a
hard time at all. You gave you a heart tak.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
You were giving me. It felt like you were giving me.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
A heart snotch true at all. But check it out
for yourself and let us know what you think of
the battleborn here. It's smoking, well, it's easy, it is
not It is not a full it's not a full.
Now medium with a little bit of a kick, a
(22:15):
little bit of a hat.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
You're just getting into the second third of the cigar.
So maybe, well both of our opinions on this cigar
will change as we move further down.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
But maybe by the way, you want to get your
notebooks out. What did you eat today? What did you
drink today? Right? You want to write all that down,
the weather that we talked about, and then break the
cigar into third's first, third, second, third, final third. We
talked about this earlier but we didn't finish it. And
then what you want to do is what are the
flavors you're getting out of that? Right? Write them down
in your notebook. And when you try the cigar a
month from now, six months from now, for whatever it is,
(22:46):
you do it again and you kind of see where
your notes were and see your through line. What is
it that you really picked up out of the cigar.
It's a great way to study and learn what you're
interested in. By the way, my HVAC system, the heat
in the studio just did like it does this kind
of like flush out every now and again where kind
of like resets itself and it sounds like an airlock
opening and predator is going to come in. And it
(23:08):
just happened, and Fingers freaked, that was actually me. You know, no,
it wasn't. I know what you sound like. You sound
much worse than my mini split system here. But it's
time Fingers for News of the week.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Tony CNBC has the story November private payrolls unexpectedly fell
by thirty two thousand.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, so understand that when we're recording, we don't have
the official number yet from Bureau of Labor Statistics. It's
also a real question about what the BLS is going
to be able to put out right. What is it
that they're going to say, who's back at work post shutdown?
Everything else I study, I talked to economists and my
(23:52):
other gig as a radio host syndicated, and then here
in Indianapolis, I have no idea what's going on. I
am Talley. I nothing makes sense. The ten year treasury
is at four percent plus and that's what the thirty
year fixed mortgage is based on, and that hasn't really moved.
(24:14):
And then you see the bitcoin prices and the crypto
prices falling off a cliff. You see that people spent
more on Black Friday, nine point one percent more on
Black Friday, but they bought luxury goods, not multiplicity of goods,
so they spent more money on less things. And then gold,
(24:35):
at my last check was at forty two hundred dollars
an ounce, and silver is at fifty eight. I sold
my silver at fifty one full disclosure, so early. Now.
I did well on the silver, I'm not complaining about it.
One of the few things I've done well at in
my investments. But fifty eight would have been better. Also,
(24:56):
fifty eight that's a hedge against inflation. Do you tell
me see what's going on?
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Well, you know, my philosophy is sell low and buy high.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Bravo.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Thank you, and so now you tell me thirty thousand jobs, Yeah,
thirty two thousand. Here's what's interesting about these statistics. According
to CNBC, larger businesses entailing companies with fifty or more
employees actually reported in that gain of ninety thousand workers.
Where the job losses came were businesses with fewer than
fifty employees. That's where we saw the client of one
(25:28):
hundred and twenty thousand jobs.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
So a little bit of this is an AI play,
and it's hard to blame the economy, although I'm telling
you I don't understand the economy. The AI play is
ups Verizon HP. They're shitting tens of thousands of jobs
(25:51):
on Amazon, tens of thousands of jobs, including on the
corporate level. They're going to try and replace things with
AI and see how much that that can work. So
a lot of this is just new tech revolution. And
the thing that's taking the jobs is also the thing
that's pouring trillions into the market. Money is being invested
into AI, infrastructure and chips and everything else left right
(26:14):
and center. So again it leads to this crazy level
of confusion. I'm not quite sure what to make.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I feel like it won't seem to matter what is
reported when it comes to the economy, because there's so
much uncertainty of AI's impact on the job market that
you're gonna have millions of Americans who are just gonna
always feel uneasy as they see AI's impact in how
it's becoming.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
But uneasy for what what are they What is AI
really making someone feel uneasy about it?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
It's easier to worry about losing your job than it
is to think that everything's going well because most people
are pessimists.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Oh you say most people? You mean that's what I thought.
Is it really called car spreading? I mean, is that
really the terminology we're going with right now? This is
this is what they're calling it. In Europe they are oh,
oh Europe, Well, okay, then T Drink Smoke. I'm Tony Katz.
(27:19):
That's fingers from the way. You find everything we do
at Eatdrink Smoke Show dot com. Get the podcast wherever
it is you get your podcasts, just search for Eat
Drink Smoke. This is from the BBC. That's that's a
that's a big outfit in the UK. The UK is
the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom includes England. I digress UH.
In the UK and across Europe, cars are steadily becoming longer, wider,
(27:44):
and heavier.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Same season.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Consumers like them. Big cars are seeing as practical, safe
and stylish, and sales are growing, but some cities want
to clamp down. So the issue here is that people
are getting bigger vehicles, like we in the United States
have come to realize that the suv or the minivan
is the only way to travel and everything else is stupid,
(28:13):
aside from a convertible.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
You know, it's your Yeah, you're right. I have a
sedan that I use for my commute, and that's It's
a long community. As you know, Tony. I have sixty
two gigs, and so I'm in my car all the time,
and I have a more economical vehicle.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
You said it before.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I have a Chevy volt.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
One of the gigs that I have. They let me
charge it for free, so I get a lot of
free mileage out of that. Out of that volt, I
don't have to pay for a charge.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
And your other vehicle is is an suv, yes, And
your other vehicle after that is the most uneconomical pickup
truck in the history of the mankind.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Then that is the SSR. Yes, Chevy SSR. And I
have a GMC Acadia right.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
So, by the way, the Chevy SSR he has is
in yellow. It is such a beautiful story. Can I
embarrass you? The truck that his father got for his mother,
then his mother passed away and now he has the
truck and it's in this yellow and it is so
incredibly cool to see him driving down the street. See
(29:25):
the way he babies this thing. He has never gone
above thirty two miles an hour in this vehicle. It's
not true, spec He's never gone above thirty. It's spectacle.
It is one of the more Every time I see
you in it, it's beautiful, it's touching. I'm like, good
for you. Good. I love every every part of it.
(29:45):
But you have to admit that for as good as
the boult is and over engineered and the hybrid, and
America is totally down with hybrids. They aren't down with electric,
but hybrid makes perfect sense to Americans, are like, absolutely,
get me from from seventeen miles a gallon to forty
three miles a gallon, Fine by me, fine, I just
or to twenty six or to thirty great but they
(30:08):
want big and they want comfortable. And I thought car
spreading had to do with man spreading when you're sitting
and you spread your legs because you just want to
really be all relaxed down there.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I hate it when people try, well, I'm not going
to go down that road. People trying to trying to
lecture guys on man spreading, and most of the people
who are doing that aren't men and don't understand. Having
said that, though, getting back to car spreading, you know
the VOLTI drive, I wish it were three quarter ton
pickup truck. Yeah, that would be the vehicle that I
(30:42):
would like to drive. But it's not economical. But you
feel safer in it. Big, more comfort, you know. It's
it's something that Europeans are starting to realize when for
years it felt like Europeans would make fun of Americans
and their big SUVs.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
So I because I have a local sponsorship deal with
with a Ford dealership in Indianapolis, I drive the Ford Lightning,
the F one fifty Lightning, and there's a whole conversation
whether they're going to end the production of that. I
have a friend who has the electric Hummer, the new
Hummer EV I have driven both. The Hummer ev is
(31:21):
an absolutely beautiful, beautiful vehicle. I think that the Lightning
is more comfortable of a vehicle. I love it to death,
but I work from home. It's fine by me. Nobody
else is doing this. It doesn't make sense. Electric vehicle
makes sense for like four percent of the population. But
(31:43):
I have tried from Ford the electric Mustang, which I
don't know why they call it a Mustang, but we're
not going to get into that fight right now. It's cool.
It ain't nothing compared to the Lightning, to the feeld
of that truck. Now, the actual Mustang, the real must
Oh that thing all day that thing in inconvertible all
(32:03):
day long. But it is true. It's it is more comfortable.
You feel better in it, at least I do for sure.
The only time I feel better. And I find myself
looking like some of those seventy one oldsmobiles like the
coming more and more modern like me and a group
of guys keep looking for a DTS Cadillac like twenty
(32:26):
twenty eleven when they last made them, because first of all,
smoke cigars in it. That's your traveling humidor. And the
thing is a freaking cloud man. General Motors did it
beautifully on that thing. You're just riding along. You forget
that it's actually a car. You're just floating. Life is
grand thing. Those things are to me the stuff, but
(32:49):
it's still it's big. It's big car or.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Big suv, especially this time of year, right when you
are driving around and at any point you go down
the road, all of a sudden, six inches of snow
just falls out of the sky, out of nowhere, not
expecting it, and then it just feels safer and you
feel much more comfortable in a bigger vehicle.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
The problem Europe has is that they don't have the
streets for this. If you've ever been to any European city,
they don't have streets that can handle big stuff. Their
highway system maybe, but they're streets, absolutely not. And they
have a very different view of climate than we do.
(33:32):
I don't think you should burn tires in the middle
of the road everybody. I think you should be aware
of the environment, and I would argue that one should
be happy with and be respectful of people or conservationists
actual science and methodologies that create better outcomes that aren't
(33:52):
impactful on how humans exist. That's different than an environmentalist
who is radical to the point of culture like that
wants to fundamentally change how the human being actually exists
and survives and remove the things that have allowed for
human flourishing, like, for example, the automobile, like for example,
air conditioning. If you didn't have air conditioning, places like
(34:16):
Houston and places like Tampa Bay would not exist. You
couldn't be there, it wouldn't work to the extent that
it does. And these technologies have allowed for opportunity, and
certainly the car, which is the ultimate in mobility, change
the way human beings live for forever. The environmentalist doesn't
(34:37):
want that. The conservationist might be in a discussion of
how you go about either better fueling or something else,
but not to the point of saying you shouldn't be
allowed to do such a thing. That's always been my differentiation.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Yeah, and you're seeing they may see it differently, it's
all I say. And you're seeing governments around Europe pushing
back against these vehicles getting bigger and bigger. They just
passed in Paris and ordinance where it's going to cost
more to park heavy vehicles, and the mayor of Paris said, look,
the larger the vehicle is, the more it pollutes, and
(35:12):
so they're going to go after it, much like because
of what you said about environmental concerns in Europe and.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
So Europe it was Sweden that started this. I believe
it was Sweden. Something called Vision zero, which check your city.
It's there now. In the United States, it's right here
in Indianapolis. Vision zero is predicated on the idea that
if we work hard, we can eliminate all car accidents.
So the vision is zero auto accidents and fatalities zero.
(35:40):
Do you know how that's done, Fingers boy, I've never
discussed this with you. How do you get to zero
car accidents by everyone using public transportation or staying home? Right?
Vision zero is not something that's about creating a better,
safer society. It's about ending auto transport and preventing people
from having indo visualized mobility and therefore being focused only
(36:03):
in reliant only on central planning what the government creates. Now,
we're not a political show when we do, eat, drink, smoke,
but it's undoubtedly true. So this idea of taxing larger cars,
they see you see that in the United States all
the time, all the time. But it's what Americans want.
It's what people want. They do want the safety in
the security. They do want steel, they want a more
(36:25):
comfortable ride, and they want a man.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Spread yes and bring back more stealing cars.
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