December 28, 2025 • 37 mins
Tony Katz has a cold, his palate is compromised, and stubbornness wins.
Instead of opening something fancy, Tony goes back to the well with Kirkland Signature Bottled-in-Bond—the Costco monster bottle sourced from Barton 1792—and Fingers Malloy joins him on the same pour, both of them trying to taste anything at all. Pair it with the Crowned Heads Belgian Blue (2025)—a hefty, hard box-pressed cigar with a Mexican San Andrés wrapper—and you’ve got a holiday episode powered by congestion, sarcasm, and sheer refusal to cancel.
In this episode:
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Why, for some, hot toddies are a hard pass (because tea is gross?)
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The Kirkland Bottled-in-Bond breakdown: mash bill, 100 proof, price point, and why it’s an ideal everyday or cocktail bourbon
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The Belgian Blue details and reveal: 5.5x56, annual release, $13.50 MSRP
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The ongoing debate: annual releases vs. core cigar lines—and when “limited” just means hoarding
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Tony’s big-picture cigar theory: humidor shelf space, brand dominance, and what could be coming by 2026
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Holiday news chaos: painted Christmas trees, upside-down trees, and Tony declaring colored outdoor lights an abomination
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Nostalgia, old retail tech, and why charge plates still haunt Fingers’ dreams
It’s bourbon, cigars, food, culture, and two guys refusing to skip cigar night just because one of them can’t smell anything.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Let me tell you what I know. It's been a day.
I was just selling fingers away before he went on,
it's been a day and this cold is really bothering me.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
And when you have a cold and you're smoking cigars,
you can't catch all the flavors. It's even more annoying.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
And then we looked at Bourban's and I said, no, no,
I'm not opening anything new.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm going back to the well well a little bit
better than the well. I went to Costco, got myself
a hot dog and then pulled out my bottle of
bottled and boned.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Did he drink smoke?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm Tony Katz And that right there is America's favorite
amateur drinker, Fingers molloy.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah, Fingers had the cold last week.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
And so he grabbed himself some uh white peppermint or
some chocolate white chocolate peppermint eggnog?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yes? Is he what?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
He had himself right there, and he was happy. Man,
he was happy. But now he's here in studio. He
did not give me the cold. I got this independently,
and I'm like, I can't, I can't. The nose is ridiculous,
it's it's it's stuffed yet it runs. Yet people don't
need to hear this. How are we not doing a
hot tottie?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I great question, great a full disclosure. I've never been
a fan. I've never been a fan of a hot toddy.
Is the honey, it's the whole thing. It's the concept,
it's it's that just it's it's like tea. Do you
drink tea? Iced tea? Yeah, tea is gross. Iced tea
is is too.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Now I can't say that in the South because I'll
get killed.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
So I just smile and say, oh, that's right now
for me, just a just a diet coke things. I think.
I think that's will work for me right now.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And I come up with some excuse about why I
don't do sweet tea. Why because I don't want to
get thrown out of Georgia or Alabama. These are lovely
people and I love them, But I I couldn't. I
couldn't bring myself to open something new, something we hadn't
done before, something I need to give my time and
consideration to.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I opened up my giant bottle of Kirkling signature bottled
in bond.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Look at this monster.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Right here, this glorious thing from Barton seventeen ninety two.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I actually found the mash bill I remember if we
had this last time we tried it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Seventy four percent corn, eighteen percent rye eight percent malted
a barley right there, aged at least four years, and
of course one hundred proof because of its bottled and bond.
Always applause A light applause from fingers Fillway today.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Oh, one hundred proof, but it was it was very soft.
Say it's one hundred and forty proof, it's.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
One hundred and ninety two proof. And then and then
we put it in a rocket ship. Yeah, I just
I couldn't bring myself to open up something new that
needs a time. I always thought that this coming in
at like twenty five thirty dollars for this size bottle,
I thought this was a spectacular deal and that if
(02:59):
you couldn't find, if you didn't get it at Costco,
you missed it. And they'll do another one, right, They
do some of these things yearly. They did a very
very nice job with this. I would tell you the
nose right now, fingers Billoy, I can't, no, I can't.
I have no capacity right now. As we've done the show,
the whole cold has now become a.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Human disaster area. I should be quarantined fingers billoy.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
But you you do some nose while I sip on it,
have any taste a nice little bit of spice to it?
You get Karen caramel vanilla, you know, maybe a hint
of citrus. Listen, it's solid. And the other thing to
you mentioned the price point. This is the kind of
(03:48):
bottle that you can enjoy straight and be fine with it.
But if you've got a friend that comes over and says, listen,
I want to mixed drink, you've got no problem.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Using this as well. Oh absolutely, I just took a sip.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, and I felt some of the heat, and I
feel it in the in the in the middle chest
and my nose opened up?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Did it? Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh, nothing, says hey, do video while you're doing a podcast,
while you're doing a radio show with a running nose.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Just brutal, absolutely brutal.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But no, the warmth that I remember and a little
bit of lusciousness is what I get on the tongue.
I'm not getting all the flavors.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So this is what what do you call that thing?
The dewey pot? What's the thing that you put in
your nose, said Nettie pot, A Nettie pot, a dewey pot,
dewey pot.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So this is like a distilled.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Dewey of course, who lost the Fame election to Harry Truman.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
That's who it's named after, the Dewey pot.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yes, he said a dewey pot in every home, and
a chicken in every dewey pot.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I believe was the quote. I'm pretty sure that was wrong. Figures,
boy is gonna do what's known as the Kentucky chew.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
When you're taking that first step, you move the juice
around the palette really trying to get an idea of
where those flavors are. I do like the two SIPs methodology,
the first sip to set the taste buds, the second
sip to really get an idea of those flavors.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Fingers, you're right.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You look a little paint. That's a nice little bit
of spice. It got a nice little sting on the tongue,
little gentle warmth. That caramel is there. There's like an
apricot kind of as well. And for me, there's that
there's oak. It's it's it's it's nice, and it's a
nice sipping whiskey.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Right now, remember seventy four percent corn, eighteen percent rye
there there is a should be a little bit of
a punch air, a little bit of a hey, you
should notice me right here?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And and it was. It was twenty five dollars, thirty
dollars and just.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
That's a crazy deal in a world of no crazy deals.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
None. There was a local.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Liquor store going out of business. Oh and so they
were part of a chain, and I could not understand
they were putting things on sale. I picked up eight bottles,
and so we're covered for a while.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I couldn't figure out why they just wouldn't put the
bottles in another store. Oh it's a chain, Yeah, why
didn't they.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Just move the bottles to another store? The building sold,
so they had to be out. And I guess the
answer is, you know, markups are still good. It was
a chance to get people in the store and a
chance to sell a whole bunch of products. So why
not take advantage of that? Because anytime you see you know,
it's like when you're buying the rugs store closing, same
(06:33):
store has been closing for nineteen years. Store closing, it
does it moves it motivates people. So I guess they
couldn't moved the bottles, but I think they want to
see how things would move, how they could get the
product out.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Maybe I introduced some more people to the place.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
So did you get anything different that you'd never tried before?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Or oh yeah, oh nice? Seven of them. Seven of
them are things I've never tried before. And then I
have one angel's envy that I believe is like triple oaked.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I believe that's what it was. Well, I just realized something.
What did you realize?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I know that you are having a difficult time today
with the cold and not only doing the review of
the bottle and bond but feel fine, yeah, but also
the cigar. You never did ask me if the cigar
is in my humidor and what the price point is
for that cigar? So well, that's what we'd like to
call radio tease ladies.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Is that what they call that? Yes, I wasn't aware.
We will get to that in a little bit, but
I'll be curious.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Idea the price of the Belgian blue from ground Head.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
No, you did not, so I'll be curious because you've
got this Kirkland bottle and Bond that you said you
can get between twenty five and thirty dollars a bottle.
I'll be interested to know what the price point is
of this cigar. This is a one of those very
budget friendly pairings that we look for.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Maybe I'm gonna go for maybe.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Oh, right there, as we're smoking the Belgian Blue from
Crowned Heads five and a half by fifty six Mexicans
and Andreas Rapper, you're Dominican Nicaraguan in the filler right there.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
There are still deals to be had on bourbon.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And as you know it being Christmas, this is the
favorite time of year for Fingers mulloy because all the
gift sets and all the deals that are out there.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
There are some good.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Ones for sure, especially at grocery stores. Unless you're being
accosted once again by cellular phone companies in the grocery
store trying to get.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
You to switch your service. That's still happening. Yes, and
I'm very angry. And this is a grocery store that
rhymes with Kroger. Yes, okay, Kroger. We'll get into it.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
So I want to make sure we're all clear about
something we don't engage politically on.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Eat drink smoke. It is eat drink smoke.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I'm Tony Katz and that is America's favorite amateur drinker.
Fingers maloy. When we recorded this week, it was quite
literally hours before President Trump made a speech that was
scheduled for the Oval Office at nine pm midweek. President
Trump was going to make a speech, and there was
(09:16):
massive speculation. Was this going to be a speech about
the economy? Was this going to be a speech about
Venezuela and the military build up that's been going on
their fingers? One way, if we had the contents of
the speech, because it's something that would be discussed in
the cigar lounge, we would discuss it, what's happening, what's
(09:36):
going on, and we could talk about the economy, we
could talk about uh, Venezuela.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
But I, because of how we do the show.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
The timeliness matters, and sometimes that the time changes, And
so I don't want people to think that we avoid
subjects that would clearly be in people's consciousness and be
things that people are talking about, whether in the gar
lounge or over the holidays or anything else.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Fingers Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
And we could sit here and wildly speculate, but what's
the point. Literally the speech is going to happen in
a couple of hours. We don't know what he's going
to talk about. And by the time you hear this program,
you're gonna know what he said.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
So if so, if it's the Venezuela conversation, and I
we'll do this little bit of speculation. Understand that we
right now have eleven warships and fifteen thousand troops in
the Caribbean.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
We have been shooting at these drug boats. We can
at least agree they are not fishing boats.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
This is a conversation about whether or not we want
fentanyel coming into the country. President Trump is referred to
fentandol as a weapon of mass destruction, and there's movement
to engage in more criminal penalties and other penalties for
bringing those drugs in. But there's a conversation about whether
or not you're engaged in this action. Is this not
an active war? And if it's an active war, you
(10:46):
require congressional approval. No commander in chief fingers will. No
commander in chief is gonna say, I'm in charge of
the military, but let me first get the approval of Congress.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
You're going to.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Say, I have to make these decisive of actions. I'm
going to engage them, regardless of who you are. Barack
Obama did the same things. Bill Clinton took out the
aspirin factory. There's a lot we could go. We go
as far down the road, guys, as you would like to.
No president is going to unilaterally give up their power
as commander in chief to the legislative The legislative branch
(11:19):
if they want the declaration of war, they're going to
have to demand that the president come to them. They're
going to have to assert their authority as an Article
one power the Constitution instead of the executive branch, which
is an Article two power the Constitution.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Well, but what is consistent is the opposition party always
hollers that there needs to be a declaration of war.
It doesn't matter what party it is. Generally, when it
comes to something like this, that is what happens. I
don't disagree with you.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
One of the interesting things that's been happening is that
nobody has and so it seemed like it seems like
this thing that members of Congress wanted to grumble about it.
They wanted the politics of it, but they didn't want
to really get involved. It's very hands off. I personally
think that's pretty messed up. It's very Congress, It's totally Congress. Right. Yeah,
(12:05):
they want to complain about the thing, but they don'
actually want to do the work exactly. No, no, no, no, no.
Doing work is for other people. I will say this.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
If it is some sort of a major military action
in Venezuela, I think the President needs to come out
tonight and sell the American people on it, because they've
seen what's been happening. But I don't know if he
has walked them along to this point where they're ready
for this.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Not knowing what the President would say. The conversation is
also that Maduro Nicholas Maduro, who's the president of Venezuela,
is actually the thug of Venezuela.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
There have been elections and.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
He has disregarded the results of those elections, I believe twice.
So one of the moves could be we're going to
simply recognize who is the duly elected government. We're gonna
say it again, and now we're not even we're not
working with those people. Those people are persona on grada
in the Maduro world, and we're gonna do whatever we.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Have to do. But there's also the seizing of oil tankers.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
If it costs the Venezuelans, as is reported, two hundred
million dollars a week to keep everything up and running,
the government up, in the military paid, and you seize
oil tankers where they make about two hundred million dollars
an oil tanker.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You could do the math.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And this is about a level of economic starvation a
la Ronald Reagan and the ending the Cold War with
Gorbachev by bringing the price of oil down so much
that the Russians simply couldn't operate, They couldn't sell anything,
they couldn't make any money.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
YEP.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
So we're gonna find out tonight what he's gonna say,
And it may have nothing to do with this, but
the speculation is at this point that this could be
what he does.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
All the thing it could be about is the economy,
where the administration is at least finally learning that you
can't tell people you were gonna reduce costs on day one,
not reduce tay one and then tell everybody. As jad Vans,
the Vice President, said in a speech in Pennsylvania the
other day, that the economy is a plus plus plus.
(14:09):
You got a lot of good things coming down the road.
You have the opportunity for greatness comes second quarter of
twenty twenty six, which if you don't have it by
the end of the second quarter, Republicans could kiss the
midterms goodbye for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
But you can't sell people on that right now. You
have to bring them in and say, here's what we're
working towards, and here's how we're doing it, and here,
if you'll just hold on, here's the results, come into
the fight with us.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
They never did that. They're only starting to do that
right now. And I wonder if that is even if
it's not the speech that happened midweek, isn't that the
right approach anyway?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Absolutely? And yeah, you have to show empathy.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I go back to the election presidential election nineteen ninety two,
George Herbert Walker, Bush, Ross Perrot, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton,
I feel your pain saying that this is the worst
economy in what was it fifty years or thirty years,
I can't remember the exact quote. And while it wasn't
(15:07):
even close to the worst economy in thirty years, Americans
were hurting, and at that point Republicans did not make
the case that they've had empathy for what American people
were feeling at the time, and I think that the
president has to acknowledge that, you know, things, the American
people right now are very very nervous about the economy.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Oh legitimately, so they're worried about AI, They're worried about
their jobs. They're looking at in a lot of places
the rising costs. Now, we should be perfectly clear. I
keep hearing the car insurance is going to go down.
I haven't necessarily seen it yet. I have seen certainly
egg prices go down, and energy prices go down, like gasoline.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
As we're talking per barrel.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
In the West Texas crew so that's the oil that
comes out of the ground, the Brent crewed comes out
of the oceans.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Both were under sixty dollars a barrel. Well.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
At the same time, silver was at sixty four dollars
an ounce. An ounce of silver costs more than a
barrel of oil. I don't know what to do with that.
I don't know what that's supposed to signal economically. Is
that good or is that horrifying?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And a lot of people in the country today don't
know how to take in this information and make sense
of it.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
And I think that the.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I would argue, again not getting into the politics of it,
that Americans still feel that Trump has a better handle
on the economy than Buyden or Kamala Harris would have.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Like that's my take.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I know you guys know I reside on the political right,
but I argue that that's my take. In general, they're
not happy with what's happening, and that's why you're seeing
the polling look very bad for Trump on these economic issues.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
But you would think gas prices coming down would be something.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Because if that's the barrel price, you'll see the gas
prices change like two three weeks.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Right, it's the gas prices are trailing in the game.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
You would think that would be a hot damn unless
your state raises gas taxes.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Dude, you are mister buzz Killington. You really are.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
So we don't know what the speech was because we
aren't soothsayers, but that's our take.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
If we got it right, send us a cookie because
because the economy is rough and we could use a cookie. Sneaker, doodle, eat, drink, smoke.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
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(17:56):
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Speaker 3 (17:58):
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Speaker 2 (18:15):
From the guys at eat a drink smoke. So, because
I have a cold, I didn't go fancy on the bourbon.
I went back to the well to the Kirkland signature
bottled in bonds coming in at one hundred proof there.
I didn't even move it to a rock. I have
the cold. It's just it wasn't no and it's not
fingers fault. Really, even though he had a cold last week,
(18:35):
we haven't seen each other in two weeks. It's just
that time of year now. As for the Belgian blue
that we are smoking here from Crowned Heads.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Have had a little trouble.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Keeping it lit me with my cold and putting it
down and things like that. But I think the construction
of the cigar is solid. I think the field of cigar.
You referred to it as hefty. I think that's not
a bad way to put it.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Stocky, I said, Stocky is what you said?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yes, Fingers molloy, this is a five and a half
by fifty six Mexican San Andreas rapper.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
You are now into the final third, oh, no.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Second third of that cigar? Is this in your not
close to the final third? Is this in your humid or?
For thirteen dollars and fifty cents MSRP. Yes, yeah, Listen,
I'm gonna have to smoke it again because you can't
smoke it.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
With a cold. But what I it's it's.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Been a while, right, We've been doing the show for
an hour and a half and so, and I'm still
smoking it, right something smoking slow, things have in my
nose have opened up, so I'm able to get a
little bit of it.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
There is there is a richness of play. I think
if I didn't have.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
The cold, it would come across much more full body.
For me, I feel much more of it. So I'm
not a great person to judge us right now I
will do it again, but my faith in John Hubert
and Crown Heads is very very real. This plays I
think a little bit like this has some connectivity to
their blo.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
On medicine line. The only question that I ask you.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Fingers and thirteen fifty for a five and a half
inch cigar, right if it was a raboosto.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I don't know, five and a half ing You're like, well,
and it's a box press.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It was a really intense box press, like really really
creased at the edges. They do this as an annual release.
Are you down for annual releases or are you somebody
who believes in core lines.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
No? I like annual releases. I like to try new things.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
The only thing that's disappointing about annual releases is if
you really like something, then you have to start hoarding
right right, You have to go and you have to
buy as many of them as you can get your
hands on.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
That's the only problem.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Second year in a row, I was not able to
get the CEO Amazon Basin right, which I think they
do a great job with Okay, that's.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Their once a year cigar.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Everybody could have one, and they do the Year of
the you know, the on the Chinese zodiac, Chinese New
Year's kind of thing. Those kinds of things happen, But
I don't there's a lot of just one off releases,
and I don't know if that's because the cigar is
better or it's just odd marketing that that works. And
(21:13):
why can't it be part of the line. Why can't
it be a part of what you do? You know,
I've been thinking about this conversation with with Michael Herclott's
of Ferry Otago, where he's like, we we do what
we do, We play the hits and we build on
that and we and we create better experiences to that,
(21:33):
and it has really kind of hit me as a
question of marketing of what is it that we're trying
to get accomplished here. I don't want John Huber and
Crowdheads to stop making cool stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I'm desperate for them to make cool stuff. But now
you got so many things, doesn't it become exhausting?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Well, my question to you is, because you know I've
said this on several occasions, I am a cigar fan.
You have a real passion for cigars. It goes well
beyond my feelings towards them and the rational Yeah, have
you seen an annual release from a brand that ends
up becoming a core part of a brand.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
That's a great question you can think about the top
of your head. Off the top of my head, I can't.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I can't think of anything that was an annual release
and then now something they do.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Although I'm sure there are plenty.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
People be like, oh, yeah, here's the list, but you know,
I'm sure that it's out there, but it's it's maybe
I'm not saying it right. Does the consumer feel that, Okay,
now you're just trying to. Now you're just trying to
screw me. Now you're just trying to You're just throwing
something out there. You're giving it a special name. You're saying, oh,
(22:45):
look at this, But it's not special. It's it's it's whatever.
It's not different. It's it's unfair what you're doing here.
It's not a way to treat the consumer who wants
to create a long time relationship and value.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I think you see a lot of people that just
want to try new things, and they get excited when
they see just like with Bourbon right, you got you
got a new limited release run from a distiller y
and you're like, oh, you know what, I want to
get my hands on it. But then there is that
feeling afterwards if you really like it, like oh, this
is disappointing.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I can't get this anymore. Should that be the name
of our cigar Bread limited release? Yes, it's disappointing.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Uh, it's I just I wonder if it gets to
people sometimes, because maybe it's it's personal.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It gets to me a little bit like, come on,
what are we doing here? Listen. I I've got I've
got nothing but good things to say about Artoral Fun Day.
But dear Lord, now I must say I have a.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Whole theory about our Trio Fun Day where they've got
the new factory and they're putting things out left and right.
You want my theory on Arto Fun Day. Everybody wants
my Arturnal Fun Day theory?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Please.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I I don't know Carlito, I don't know the the family.
I have nothing but respect it. I would love to
have this conversation with them. I'll fly them out to
Indianapolis offline, out to wherever they are no problem.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I believe what you're gonna see from pointe.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Is the biggest full court press in cigar lounges that
you have ever seen.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
And they are going to try and take the shelves.
We've got fifty facings. We've got this wrapper, that wrapper,
that wrapper.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
We've got the special things over here with the and diejos.
We've got this here with the rare pinks. We've got
the opus over here. We've got the special things over here,
the thing we do with open society over there. They're
gonna take the humid or and they're gonna place into
price points from the five dollars to the fifty five
to the one.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Hundred and fifty five and cover the gamut.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
And they're gonna say, we control cigars, not just in
the US boom, mess with us.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
And I wonder if I was a be. I wonder
if A if that's true, and B was the impetus
to that. What Placentia did.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Placentia was the people making cigars for others, and they
had the farms and they were growing the tobacco, and
then they started saying, well, this is our tobacco.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
No, it is really good tobacco. No, no, no, we'll
keep that here. We'll make this over there.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And then they come up with a line of cigars
that are exceptionally good.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Not good, exceptionally good.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Dear lord, Placentia makes some excellent stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Uh, the fifty one Cosekas. I adore those out of Honduras.
They're great.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Holy crap, Holy crap. So I wonder if they looked
at that where they're like.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
We could just control this. Why why are we rolling
for other people? We'll just roll for us.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I'm not even mad at them. I think that's what
Funda is doing. Okay, we agree that's not good, right.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Now you can argue because it's it's so much control
under one group. I'm not saying that other cigars won't exist.
I am saying that I think that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Is it good? And this is an ect we're free marketers,
so no, but yeah, I mean, and this isn't a
criticism of our turff Wente.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
It's just if you are someone that likes to go
into a lounge and see a wide variety and then
all of a sudden other brands are getting muscled out,
is that good for the consumer.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
No, you and I would both agree that's not good
for the consumer, and it would be a real problem
if our turf whate wasn't making something you really liked,
because they do they. If you look at my human
right now, I have got a shelf of nothing but
angel Share.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
You're welcome. I have got some very very good stuff
in there.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I'm just saying that I think that's the move that
they're making, and I do think it's going to have
some effects on smaller guys not being able to find
the shelf space that they were.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Able to prior as soon as twenty twenty six. I'm
petting there. Yeah, I watch for it, see if I'm right.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
We got so into our conversation about our tour one day,
and you can catch even more of it as we
were talking after uh we went to break and we
covered it there on the video and if you find
all our videos on YouTube YouTube dot com slash Eat
Drink Smoke, you'll see everything that we do. It is
eat Drink Smoke. I'm Tony Katz. That is Fingers molloy,
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Christmas right around the corner. Fingers very excited, very ready,
It's gonna be joyous.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Are you are you ready.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I am accept I was hoping we were gonna have
a white Christmas here in central Indiana. And I think
the forecast next week it's gonna be seventy five degrees.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
It's gonna be sixty.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It's gonna be sixty in Indianapolis, where we are razy,
totally ridiculous. But because we were so into the conversation
about one day, it is time now for news of
the week.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Well, let's stick with the Christmas theme, Tony. People are out.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yes, yes, ho ho ho. There is a Christmas tree
farm in New Jersey, White Cough's Christmas Tree Farm in there.
Many times they're dubbed New Jersey's Original colored Tree Farm.
They are selling nine different colored Christmas trees. These are
(28:27):
real trees. The colors are pink, purple, dark blue, light blue, turquoise, magenta, red,
and black. Per the sight, Tony, And if you look
at these pictures, who yeah, I mean some of these
one looks very much like Honolulu Blue, Tony, which I high.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Flying, so high flying Detroit line.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yes, the not playoff bound Detroit line yet, but the
season is not over.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Look at you to the end to.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
The and indeed, uh so the way that they they
they color these trees, they grow them right on the
farm and them and then they paint them what they
what they believe is safe, with a fireproof Latex based
paint specifically formulated for Christmas trees.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
So I know, Uh, have you ever had a Christmas
tree in the house ever? No? No, Being Jewish, I
never had a Christmas tree. Sometimes people I know.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I know, and sometimes they refer to it as a
hunka bush and uh. And I just want to say,
for the record, I think people could do anything they want,
even if they're wrong, and so so they If that's
what you want to do, you go ahead and.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
You can do it.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
But being as you know, a Christmas tree purest right there,
this is an abomination before the Lord, I said it,
decorate your Christmas tree. And oh, by the way, lights
outside white and white twinkling, none of this giant bulb
color lights nonsense. It looks cheap and ridiculous and tawdrey.
(30:07):
I set, I really want people to hate me, donut.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Where can everyone get in touch with you? I believe
you can email me if you would like to email
the podcast at Ben Shapiro at yahoo dot com. Is
where you can get in touch with the podcast right there.
I'm amazed at some of these trends. Now.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Back in the early nineties, Tony, I used to work
for a pool and patio store. If you ever needed
to buy some patio furniture, you'd come to Old Fingers More.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
If I needed to adjust the pH.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yes, I would sell a test kit where you could
find out if you had your finger over.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
It and yes, shake it. Yes, you see where the
color matches up like a polaroid picture. Right, that's how
I shake it, shaking it right now.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Well, after pool season was over, we switched over to
a Christmas tree store and we would sell artificial trees.
And in the early nineties there was this trend for
a little while with silvertree, the silver tree and black
Christmas trees, and people would hang them upside down from
the ceiling. But yes, you heard me. They would hang
(31:15):
their Christmas trees, mount the tree upside down on the
ceiling and have it hanging from the ceiling in the
early nineties. And that's exactly what my reaction was. What
and then they pulled out their charge plate and I said,
do you want to so by the way charge plate
we had the machine exactly how old?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
All right?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
So this was the It was a punka metal right,
that was maybe a foot and a half long, and
it had the name of the store on and a number.
And then you'd put the credit card in a spot
and there were these carbon duplicate forms and you'd put
it on there and you'd run it over and so
I got the card number and then you'd fill in
(31:58):
the amount. And that's how I used to do credit
card back in the in the day.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
They would hand me their diners Club I would do
the like that. It was also accepted JCB, that's true,
but that's what they would do. So hanging Christmas trees
upside down the sea like Christmas or that'd be silag tight.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
You tell me tomato tomato, So I guess this is uh.
You know, people are always looking for new and interesting things.
I've never had a real tree.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Always.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
We've had the same artificial Christmas tree now for twenty
five years. And now it's getting to the point where
it's like, okay, it's it's it's time. The kids don't
want us to get rid of it, but it's it's time.
But I don't think I'm going to run out and
get a blue tree.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I did have.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I did get a white tree when I was in
my my early twenties. Had Honolulu blue tinsel, Honolulu blue ornaments,
the Honolulu garland on the white Christmas tree, and rather
than taking it down every year, I put it in
the storage room with a garbage bag over it, and
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then just brought it out every Christmas.
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Speaker 1 (34:14):
Sticking with a Christmas theme tone, Yes, sir so.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
CBS was so happy with the reaction of the Everybody
Loves Raymond reunion Show that they're actually going to have
a second Everybody Loves Raymond review show or reunion show.
It'll be on December twenty second. They had so much
footage that they weren't able to cram into the hour
of the first reunion show, that they're going to go
(34:38):
ahead and have a second reunion show just based on
all the stuff that they couldn't get.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
In the first reunion show.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
People were that happy to see the cast back together,
those who were still alive. Unfortunately, Peter Boyle and Doris
Roberts both passed away along with I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I don't know, yeah, tragically took his own life. Horrible story.
All right, full disclosure. I never watched the show. Wow, really,
it just didn't come on my radar. I have nothing
against Ray or Patricia Heaton or Brad Garrett.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I never I never never watched the show.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I'm not a huge sitcom guy. I love that show. Yeah,
oh it was. It was fantastic. And yeah, I did
watch the reunion show. I'll be I'll probably watch this
show too.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
It was.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
It was one of my favorite shows. And it was
late and I think it started in ninety six and
went into the early two thousands. It was nine seasons
and unfortunately Peter Boyle passed away almost right after the
series concluded, which.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Is why they said they'll never do a remake. And
they're right, so, I mean, the money would be huge,
but some things you just leave me.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
You just like, no, it's an you can't make it right,
you can't do the thing. I'm sorry about the cold, everybody.
It keeps me from new doing a bourbon review. Well
that's why we pulled back out the Kirkling bottled in
bond that you get at Costco twenty five to thirty
dollars a bottle.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
It's an incredible deal. If you could still find it,
It'll come out again next year. As for this, the
Belgian Blue from Crowned Heads thirteen dollars and fifty cents
of stick with that Mexican's headreas rapper fingers is.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
A yes at thirteen fifty. I'm a yes for you
trying it. I have to try it again without a cold,
just to see where I'm at. I haven't smoking yet.
I can get a little bit out of it. But man,
stuff he knows makes it all all really impossible. He'll
be a yes.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, probably the Belgian Blue from Crownheads.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Have a merry little Christmas.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Enjoy and don't forget to find us on your favorite
podcast platform, Eat Drink Smoked on YouTube Eat Drink Smoked,
be sure to subscribe. Merry Christmas, a happy Hanka. We'll
catch you soon. It's t Rinks Smoke
Let me tell you what I know. It's been a day.
I was just selling fingers away before he went on,
it's been a day and this cold is really bothering me.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
And when you have a cold and you're smoking cigars,
you can't catch all the flavors. It's even more annoying.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
And then we looked at Bourban's and I said, no, no,
I'm not opening anything new.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm going back to the well well a little bit
better than the well. I went to Costco, got myself
a hot dog and then pulled out my bottle of
bottled and boned.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Did he drink smoke?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm Tony Katz And that right there is America's favorite
amateur drinker, Fingers molloy.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah, Fingers had the cold last week.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
And so he grabbed himself some uh white peppermint or
some chocolate white chocolate peppermint eggnog?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yes? Is he what?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
He had himself right there, and he was happy. Man,
he was happy. But now he's here in studio. He
did not give me the cold. I got this independently,
and I'm like, I can't, I can't. The nose is ridiculous,
it's it's it's stuffed yet it runs. Yet people don't
need to hear this. How are we not doing a
hot tottie?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I great question, great a full disclosure. I've never been
a fan. I've never been a fan of a hot toddy.
Is the honey, it's the whole thing. It's the concept,
it's it's that just it's it's like tea. Do you
drink tea? Iced tea? Yeah, tea is gross. Iced tea
is is too.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Now I can't say that in the South because I'll
get killed.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
So I just smile and say, oh, that's right now
for me, just a just a diet coke things. I think.
I think that's will work for me right now.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And I come up with some excuse about why I
don't do sweet tea. Why because I don't want to
get thrown out of Georgia or Alabama. These are lovely
people and I love them, But I I couldn't. I
couldn't bring myself to open something new, something we hadn't
done before, something I need to give my time and
consideration to.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Now.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I opened up my giant bottle of Kirkling signature bottled
in bond.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Look at this monster.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Right here, this glorious thing from Barton seventeen ninety two.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I actually found the mash bill I remember if we
had this last time we tried it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Seventy four percent corn, eighteen percent rye eight percent malted
a barley right there, aged at least four years, and
of course one hundred proof because of its bottled and bond.
Always applause A light applause from fingers Fillway today.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Oh, one hundred proof, but it was it was very soft.
Say it's one hundred and forty proof, it's.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
One hundred and ninety two proof. And then and then
we put it in a rocket ship. Yeah, I just
I couldn't bring myself to open up something new that
needs a time. I always thought that this coming in
at like twenty five thirty dollars for this size bottle,
I thought this was a spectacular deal and that if
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you couldn't find, if you didn't get it at Costco,
you missed it. And they'll do another one, right, They
do some of these things yearly. They did a very
very nice job with this. I would tell you the
nose right now, fingers Billoy, I can't, no, I can't.
I have no capacity right now. As we've done the show,
the whole cold has now become a.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Human disaster area. I should be quarantined fingers billoy.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
But you you do some nose while I sip on it,
have any taste a nice little bit of spice to it?
You get Karen caramel vanilla, you know, maybe a hint
of citrus. Listen, it's solid. And the other thing to
you mentioned the price point. This is the kind of
(03:48):
bottle that you can enjoy straight and be fine with it.
But if you've got a friend that comes over and says, listen,
I want to mixed drink, you've got no problem.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Using this as well. Oh absolutely, I just took a sip.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, and I felt some of the heat, and I
feel it in the in the in the middle chest
and my nose opened up?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Did it? Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh, nothing, says hey, do video while you're doing a podcast,
while you're doing a radio show with a running nose.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Just brutal, absolutely brutal.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But no, the warmth that I remember and a little
bit of lusciousness is what I get on the tongue.
I'm not getting all the flavors.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So this is what what do you call that thing?
The dewey pot? What's the thing that you put in
your nose, said Nettie pot, A Nettie pot, a dewey pot,
dewey pot.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So this is like a distilled.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Dewey of course, who lost the Fame election to Harry Truman.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
That's who it's named after, the Dewey pot.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yes, he said a dewey pot in every home, and
a chicken in every dewey pot.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I believe was the quote. I'm pretty sure that was wrong. Figures,
boy is gonna do what's known as the Kentucky chew.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
When you're taking that first step, you move the juice
around the palette really trying to get an idea of
where those flavors are. I do like the two SIPs methodology,
the first sip to set the taste buds, the second
sip to really get an idea of those flavors.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Fingers, you're right.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You look a little paint. That's a nice little bit
of spice. It got a nice little sting on the tongue,
little gentle warmth. That caramel is there. There's like an
apricot kind of as well. And for me, there's that
there's oak. It's it's it's it's nice, and it's a
nice sipping whiskey.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Right now, remember seventy four percent corn, eighteen percent rye
there there is a should be a little bit of
a punch air, a little bit of a hey, you
should notice me right here?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And and it was. It was twenty five dollars, thirty
dollars and just.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
That's a crazy deal in a world of no crazy deals.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
None. There was a local.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Liquor store going out of business. Oh and so they
were part of a chain, and I could not understand
they were putting things on sale. I picked up eight bottles,
and so we're covered for a while.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I couldn't figure out why they just wouldn't put the
bottles in another store. Oh it's a chain, Yeah, why
didn't they.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Just move the bottles to another store? The building sold,
so they had to be out. And I guess the
answer is, you know, markups are still good. It was
a chance to get people in the store and a
chance to sell a whole bunch of products. So why
not take advantage of that? Because anytime you see you know,
it's like when you're buying the rugs store closing, same
(06:33):
store has been closing for nineteen years. Store closing, it
does it moves it motivates people. So I guess they
couldn't moved the bottles, but I think they want to
see how things would move, how they could get the
product out.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Maybe I introduced some more people to the place.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
So did you get anything different that you'd never tried before?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Or oh yeah, oh nice? Seven of them. Seven of
them are things I've never tried before. And then I
have one angel's envy that I believe is like triple oaked.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I believe that's what it was. Well, I just realized something.
What did you realize?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I know that you are having a difficult time today
with the cold and not only doing the review of
the bottle and bond but feel fine, yeah, but also
the cigar. You never did ask me if the cigar
is in my humidor and what the price point is
for that cigar? So well, that's what we'd like to
call radio tease ladies.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Is that what they call that? Yes, I wasn't aware.
We will get to that in a little bit, but
I'll be curious.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Idea the price of the Belgian blue from ground Head.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
No, you did not, so I'll be curious because you've
got this Kirkland bottle and Bond that you said you
can get between twenty five and thirty dollars a bottle.
I'll be interested to know what the price point is
of this cigar. This is a one of those very
budget friendly pairings that we look for.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Maybe I'm gonna go for maybe.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Oh, right there, as we're smoking the Belgian Blue from
Crowned Heads five and a half by fifty six Mexicans
and Andreas Rapper, you're Dominican Nicaraguan in the filler right there.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
There are still deals to be had on bourbon.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And as you know it being Christmas, this is the
favorite time of year for Fingers mulloy because all the
gift sets and all the deals that are out there.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
There are some good.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Ones for sure, especially at grocery stores. Unless you're being
accosted once again by cellular phone companies in the grocery
store trying to get.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
You to switch your service. That's still happening. Yes, and
I'm very angry. And this is a grocery store that
rhymes with Kroger. Yes, okay, Kroger. We'll get into it.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
So I want to make sure we're all clear about
something we don't engage politically on.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Eat drink smoke. It is eat drink smoke.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I'm Tony Katz and that is America's favorite amateur drinker.
Fingers maloy. When we recorded this week, it was quite
literally hours before President Trump made a speech that was
scheduled for the Oval Office at nine pm midweek. President
Trump was going to make a speech, and there was
(09:16):
massive speculation. Was this going to be a speech about
the economy? Was this going to be a speech about
Venezuela and the military build up that's been going on
their fingers? One way, if we had the contents of
the speech, because it's something that would be discussed in
the cigar lounge, we would discuss it, what's happening, what's
(09:36):
going on, and we could talk about the economy, we
could talk about uh, Venezuela.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
But I, because of how we do the show.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
The timeliness matters, and sometimes that the time changes, And
so I don't want people to think that we avoid
subjects that would clearly be in people's consciousness and be
things that people are talking about, whether in the gar
lounge or over the holidays or anything else.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Fingers Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
And we could sit here and wildly speculate, but what's
the point. Literally the speech is going to happen in
a couple of hours. We don't know what he's going
to talk about. And by the time you hear this program,
you're gonna know what he said.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
So if so, if it's the Venezuela conversation, and I
we'll do this little bit of speculation. Understand that we
right now have eleven warships and fifteen thousand troops in
the Caribbean.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
We have been shooting at these drug boats. We can
at least agree they are not fishing boats.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
This is a conversation about whether or not we want
fentanyel coming into the country. President Trump is referred to
fentandol as a weapon of mass destruction, and there's movement
to engage in more criminal penalties and other penalties for
bringing those drugs in. But there's a conversation about whether
or not you're engaged in this action. Is this not
an active war? And if it's an active war, you
(10:46):
require congressional approval. No commander in chief fingers will. No
commander in chief is gonna say, I'm in charge of
the military, but let me first get the approval of Congress.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
You're going to.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Say, I have to make these decisive of actions. I'm
going to engage them, regardless of who you are. Barack
Obama did the same things. Bill Clinton took out the
aspirin factory. There's a lot we could go. We go
as far down the road, guys, as you would like to.
No president is going to unilaterally give up their power
as commander in chief to the legislative The legislative branch
(11:19):
if they want the declaration of war, they're going to
have to demand that the president come to them. They're
going to have to assert their authority as an Article
one power the Constitution instead of the executive branch, which
is an Article two power the Constitution.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Well, but what is consistent is the opposition party always
hollers that there needs to be a declaration of war.
It doesn't matter what party it is. Generally, when it
comes to something like this, that is what happens. I
don't disagree with you.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
One of the interesting things that's been happening is that
nobody has and so it seemed like it seems like
this thing that members of Congress wanted to grumble about it.
They wanted the politics of it, but they didn't want
to really get involved. It's very hands off. I personally
think that's pretty messed up. It's very Congress, It's totally Congress. Right. Yeah,
(12:05):
they want to complain about the thing, but they don'
actually want to do the work exactly. No, no, no, no, no.
Doing work is for other people. I will say this.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
If it is some sort of a major military action
in Venezuela, I think the President needs to come out
tonight and sell the American people on it, because they've
seen what's been happening. But I don't know if he
has walked them along to this point where they're ready
for this.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Not knowing what the President would say. The conversation is
also that Maduro Nicholas Maduro, who's the president of Venezuela,
is actually the thug of Venezuela.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
There have been elections and.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
He has disregarded the results of those elections, I believe twice.
So one of the moves could be we're going to
simply recognize who is the duly elected government. We're gonna
say it again, and now we're not even we're not
working with those people. Those people are persona on grada
in the Maduro world, and we're gonna do whatever we.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Have to do. But there's also the seizing of oil tankers.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
If it costs the Venezuelans, as is reported, two hundred
million dollars a week to keep everything up and running,
the government up, in the military paid, and you seize
oil tankers where they make about two hundred million dollars
an oil tanker.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You could do the math.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
And this is about a level of economic starvation a
la Ronald Reagan and the ending the Cold War with
Gorbachev by bringing the price of oil down so much
that the Russians simply couldn't operate, They couldn't sell anything,
they couldn't make any money.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
YEP.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
So we're gonna find out tonight what he's gonna say,
And it may have nothing to do with this, but
the speculation is at this point that this could be
what he does.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
All the thing it could be about is the economy,
where the administration is at least finally learning that you
can't tell people you were gonna reduce costs on day one,
not reduce tay one and then tell everybody. As jad Vans,
the Vice President, said in a speech in Pennsylvania the
other day, that the economy is a plus plus plus.
(14:09):
You got a lot of good things coming down the road.
You have the opportunity for greatness comes second quarter of
twenty twenty six, which if you don't have it by
the end of the second quarter, Republicans could kiss the
midterms goodbye for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
But you can't sell people on that right now. You
have to bring them in and say, here's what we're
working towards, and here's how we're doing it, and here,
if you'll just hold on, here's the results, come into
the fight with us.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
They never did that. They're only starting to do that
right now. And I wonder if that is even if
it's not the speech that happened midweek, isn't that the
right approach anyway?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Absolutely? And yeah, you have to show empathy.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I go back to the election presidential election nineteen ninety two,
George Herbert Walker, Bush, Ross Perrot, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton,
I feel your pain saying that this is the worst
economy in what was it fifty years or thirty years,
I can't remember the exact quote. And while it wasn't
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even close to the worst economy in thirty years, Americans
were hurting, and at that point Republicans did not make
the case that they've had empathy for what American people
were feeling at the time, and I think that the
president has to acknowledge that, you know, things, the American
people right now are very very nervous about the economy.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Oh legitimately, so they're worried about AI, They're worried about
their jobs. They're looking at in a lot of places
the rising costs. Now, we should be perfectly clear. I
keep hearing the car insurance is going to go down.
I haven't necessarily seen it yet. I have seen certainly
egg prices go down, and energy prices go down, like gasoline.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
As we're talking per barrel.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
In the West Texas crew so that's the oil that
comes out of the ground, the Brent crewed comes out
of the oceans.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Both were under sixty dollars a barrel. Well.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
At the same time, silver was at sixty four dollars
an ounce. An ounce of silver costs more than a
barrel of oil. I don't know what to do with that.
I don't know what that's supposed to signal economically. Is
that good or is that horrifying?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And a lot of people in the country today don't
know how to take in this information and make sense
of it.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
And I think that the.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I would argue, again not getting into the politics of it,
that Americans still feel that Trump has a better handle
on the economy than Buyden or Kamala Harris would have.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Like that's my take.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I know you guys know I reside on the political right,
but I argue that that's my take. In general, they're
not happy with what's happening, and that's why you're seeing
the polling look very bad for Trump on these economic issues.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
But you would think gas prices coming down would be something.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Because if that's the barrel price, you'll see the gas
prices change like two three weeks.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Right, it's the gas prices are trailing in the game.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
You would think that would be a hot damn unless
your state raises gas taxes.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Dude, you are mister buzz Killington. You really are.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
So we don't know what the speech was because we
aren't soothsayers, but that's our take.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
If we got it right, send us a cookie because
because the economy is rough and we could use a cookie. Sneaker, doodle, eat, drink, smoke.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
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Speaker 3 (17:58):
I'm just checking right now, Tony. Yeah, I'm getting on
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Speaker 2 (18:15):
From the guys at eat a drink smoke. So, because
I have a cold, I didn't go fancy on the bourbon.
I went back to the well to the Kirkland signature
bottled in bonds coming in at one hundred proof there.
I didn't even move it to a rock. I have
the cold. It's just it wasn't no and it's not
fingers fault. Really, even though he had a cold last week,
(18:35):
we haven't seen each other in two weeks. It's just
that time of year now. As for the Belgian blue
that we are smoking here from Crowned Heads.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Have had a little trouble.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Keeping it lit me with my cold and putting it
down and things like that. But I think the construction
of the cigar is solid. I think the field of cigar.
You referred to it as hefty. I think that's not
a bad way to put it.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Stocky, I said, Stocky is what you said?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yes, Fingers molloy, this is a five and a half
by fifty six Mexican San Andreas rapper.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
You are now into the final third, oh, no.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Second third of that cigar? Is this in your not
close to the final third? Is this in your humid or?
For thirteen dollars and fifty cents MSRP. Yes, yeah, Listen,
I'm gonna have to smoke it again because you can't
smoke it.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
With a cold. But what I it's it's.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Been a while, right, We've been doing the show for
an hour and a half and so, and I'm still
smoking it, right something smoking slow, things have in my
nose have opened up, so I'm able to get a
little bit of it.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
There is there is a richness of play. I think
if I didn't have.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
The cold, it would come across much more full body.
For me, I feel much more of it. So I'm
not a great person to judge us right now I
will do it again, but my faith in John Hubert
and Crown Heads is very very real. This plays I
think a little bit like this has some connectivity to
their blo.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
On medicine line. The only question that I ask you.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Fingers and thirteen fifty for a five and a half
inch cigar, right if it was a raboosto.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I don't know, five and a half ing You're like, well,
and it's a box press.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It was a really intense box press, like really really
creased at the edges. They do this as an annual release.
Are you down for annual releases or are you somebody
who believes in core lines.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
No? I like annual releases. I like to try new things.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
The only thing that's disappointing about annual releases is if
you really like something, then you have to start hoarding
right right, You have to go and you have to
buy as many of them as you can get your
hands on.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
That's the only problem.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Second year in a row, I was not able to
get the CEO Amazon Basin right, which I think they
do a great job with Okay, that's.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Their once a year cigar.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Everybody could have one, and they do the Year of
the you know, the on the Chinese zodiac, Chinese New
Year's kind of thing. Those kinds of things happen, But
I don't there's a lot of just one off releases,
and I don't know if that's because the cigar is
better or it's just odd marketing that that works. And
(21:13):
why can't it be part of the line. Why can't
it be a part of what you do? You know,
I've been thinking about this conversation with with Michael Herclott's
of Ferry Otago, where he's like, we we do what
we do, We play the hits and we build on
that and we and we create better experiences to that,
(21:33):
and it has really kind of hit me as a
question of marketing of what is it that we're trying
to get accomplished here. I don't want John Huber and
Crowdheads to stop making cool stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I'm desperate for them to make cool stuff. But now
you got so many things, doesn't it become exhausting?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Well, my question to you is, because you know I've
said this on several occasions, I am a cigar fan.
You have a real passion for cigars. It goes well
beyond my feelings towards them and the rational Yeah, have
you seen an annual release from a brand that ends
up becoming a core part of a brand.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
That's a great question you can think about the top
of your head. Off the top of my head, I can't.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I can't think of anything that was an annual release
and then now something they do.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Although I'm sure there are plenty.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
People be like, oh, yeah, here's the list, but you know,
I'm sure that it's out there, but it's it's maybe
I'm not saying it right. Does the consumer feel that, Okay,
now you're just trying to. Now you're just trying to
screw me. Now you're just trying to You're just throwing
something out there. You're giving it a special name. You're saying, oh,
(22:45):
look at this, But it's not special. It's it's it's whatever.
It's not different. It's it's unfair what you're doing here.
It's not a way to treat the consumer who wants
to create a long time relationship and value.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I think you see a lot of people that just
want to try new things, and they get excited when
they see just like with Bourbon right, you got you
got a new limited release run from a distiller y
and you're like, oh, you know what, I want to
get my hands on it. But then there is that
feeling afterwards if you really like it, like oh, this
is disappointing.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
I can't get this anymore. Should that be the name
of our cigar Bread limited release? Yes, it's disappointing.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Uh, it's I just I wonder if it gets to
people sometimes, because maybe it's it's personal.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It gets to me a little bit like, come on,
what are we doing here? Listen. I I've got I've
got nothing but good things to say about Artoral Fun Day.
But dear Lord, now I must say I have a.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Whole theory about our Trio Fun Day where they've got
the new factory and they're putting things out left and right.
You want my theory on Arto Fun Day. Everybody wants
my Arturnal Fun Day theory?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Please.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I I don't know Carlito, I don't know the the family.
I have nothing but respect it. I would love to
have this conversation with them. I'll fly them out to
Indianapolis offline, out to wherever they are no problem.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I believe what you're gonna see from pointe.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Is the biggest full court press in cigar lounges that
you have ever seen.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
And they are going to try and take the shelves.
We've got fifty facings. We've got this wrapper, that wrapper,
that wrapper.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
We've got the special things over here with the and diejos.
We've got this here with the rare pinks. We've got
the opus over here. We've got the special things over here,
the thing we do with open society over there. They're
gonna take the humid or and they're gonna place into
price points from the five dollars to the fifty five
to the one.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Hundred and fifty five and cover the gamut.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
And they're gonna say, we control cigars, not just in
the US boom, mess with us.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
And I wonder if I was a be. I wonder
if A if that's true, and B was the impetus
to that. What Placentia did.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Placentia was the people making cigars for others, and they
had the farms and they were growing the tobacco, and
then they started saying, well, this is our tobacco.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
No, it is really good tobacco. No, no, no, we'll
keep that here. We'll make this over there.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And then they come up with a line of cigars
that are exceptionally good.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Not good, exceptionally good.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Dear lord, Placentia makes some excellent stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Uh, the fifty one Cosekas. I adore those out of Honduras.
They're great.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Holy crap, Holy crap. So I wonder if they looked
at that where they're like.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
We could just control this. Why why are we rolling
for other people? We'll just roll for us.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I'm not even mad at them. I think that's what
Funda is doing. Okay, we agree that's not good, right.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Now you can argue because it's it's so much control
under one group. I'm not saying that other cigars won't exist.
I am saying that I think that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Is it good? And this is an ect we're free marketers,
so no, but yeah, I mean, and this isn't a
criticism of our turff Wente.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
It's just if you are someone that likes to go
into a lounge and see a wide variety and then
all of a sudden other brands are getting muscled out,
is that good for the consumer.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
No, you and I would both agree that's not good
for the consumer, and it would be a real problem
if our turf whate wasn't making something you really liked,
because they do they. If you look at my human
right now, I have got a shelf of nothing but
angel Share.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
You're welcome. I have got some very very good stuff
in there.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I'm just saying that I think that's the move that
they're making, and I do think it's going to have
some effects on smaller guys not being able to find
the shelf space that they were.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Able to prior as soon as twenty twenty six. I'm
petting there. Yeah, I watch for it, see if I'm right.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
We got so into our conversation about our tour one day,
and you can catch even more of it as we
were talking after uh we went to break and we
covered it there on the video and if you find
all our videos on YouTube YouTube dot com slash Eat
Drink Smoke, you'll see everything that we do. It is
eat Drink Smoke. I'm Tony Katz. That is Fingers molloy,
(27:33):
Christmas right around the corner. Fingers very excited, very ready,
It's gonna be joyous.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Are you are you ready.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I am accept I was hoping we were gonna have
a white Christmas here in central Indiana. And I think
the forecast next week it's gonna be seventy five degrees.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
It's gonna be sixty.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It's gonna be sixty in Indianapolis, where we are razy,
totally ridiculous. But because we were so into the conversation
about one day, it is time now for news of
the week.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Well, let's stick with the Christmas theme, Tony. People are out.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yes, yes, ho ho ho. There is a Christmas tree
farm in New Jersey, White Cough's Christmas Tree Farm in there.
Many times they're dubbed New Jersey's Original colored Tree Farm.
They are selling nine different colored Christmas trees. These are
(28:27):
real trees. The colors are pink, purple, dark blue, light blue, turquoise, magenta, red,
and black. Per the sight, Tony, And if you look
at these pictures, who yeah, I mean some of these
one looks very much like Honolulu Blue, Tony, which I high.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Flying, so high flying Detroit line.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Yes, the not playoff bound Detroit line yet, but the
season is not over.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Look at you to the end to.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
The and indeed, uh so the way that they they
they color these trees, they grow them right on the
farm and them and then they paint them what they
what they believe is safe, with a fireproof Latex based
paint specifically formulated for Christmas trees.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
So I know, Uh, have you ever had a Christmas
tree in the house ever? No? No, Being Jewish, I
never had a Christmas tree. Sometimes people I know.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I know, and sometimes they refer to it as a
hunka bush and uh. And I just want to say,
for the record, I think people could do anything they want,
even if they're wrong, and so so they If that's
what you want to do, you go ahead and.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
You can do it.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
But being as you know, a Christmas tree purest right there,
this is an abomination before the Lord, I said it,
decorate your Christmas tree. And oh, by the way, lights
outside white and white twinkling, none of this giant bulb
color lights nonsense. It looks cheap and ridiculous and tawdrey.
(30:07):
I set, I really want people to hate me, donut.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Where can everyone get in touch with you? I believe
you can email me if you would like to email
the podcast at Ben Shapiro at yahoo dot com. Is
where you can get in touch with the podcast right there.
I'm amazed at some of these trends. Now.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Back in the early nineties, Tony, I used to work
for a pool and patio store. If you ever needed
to buy some patio furniture, you'd come to Old Fingers More.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
If I needed to adjust the pH.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yes, I would sell a test kit where you could
find out if you had your finger over.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
It and yes, shake it. Yes, you see where the
color matches up like a polaroid picture. Right, that's how
I shake it, shaking it right now.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Well, after pool season was over, we switched over to
a Christmas tree store and we would sell artificial trees.
And in the early nineties there was this trend for
a little while with silvertree, the silver tree and black
Christmas trees, and people would hang them upside down from
the ceiling. But yes, you heard me. They would hang
(31:15):
their Christmas trees, mount the tree upside down on the
ceiling and have it hanging from the ceiling in the
early nineties. And that's exactly what my reaction was. What
and then they pulled out their charge plate and I said,
do you want to so by the way charge plate
we had the machine exactly how old?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
All right?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
So this was the It was a punka metal right,
that was maybe a foot and a half long, and
it had the name of the store on and a number.
And then you'd put the credit card in a spot
and there were these carbon duplicate forms and you'd put
it on there and you'd run it over and so
I got the card number and then you'd fill in
(31:58):
the amount. And that's how I used to do credit
card back in the in the day.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
They would hand me their diners Club I would do
the like that. It was also accepted JCB, that's true,
but that's what they would do. So hanging Christmas trees
upside down the sea like Christmas or that'd be silag tight.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
You tell me tomato tomato, So I guess this is uh.
You know, people are always looking for new and interesting things.
I've never had a real tree.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Always.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
We've had the same artificial Christmas tree now for twenty
five years. And now it's getting to the point where
it's like, okay, it's it's it's time. The kids don't
want us to get rid of it, but it's it's time.
But I don't think I'm going to run out and
get a blue tree.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I did have.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I did get a white tree when I was in
my my early twenties. Had Honolulu blue tinsel, Honolulu blue ornaments,
the Honolulu garland on the white Christmas tree, and rather
than taking it down every year, I put it in
the storage room with a garbage bag over it, and
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Sticking with a Christmas theme tone, Yes, sir so.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
CBS was so happy with the reaction of the Everybody
Loves Raymond reunion Show that they're actually going to have
a second Everybody Loves Raymond review show or reunion show.
It'll be on December twenty second. They had so much
footage that they weren't able to cram into the hour
of the first reunion show, that they're going to go
(34:38):
ahead and have a second reunion show just based on
all the stuff that they couldn't get.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
In the first reunion show.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
People were that happy to see the cast back together,
those who were still alive. Unfortunately, Peter Boyle and Doris
Roberts both passed away along with I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I don't know, yeah, tragically took his own life. Horrible story.
All right, full disclosure. I never watched the show. Wow, really,
it just didn't come on my radar. I have nothing
against Ray or Patricia Heaton or Brad Garrett.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I never I never never watched the show.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I'm not a huge sitcom guy. I love that show. Yeah,
oh it was. It was fantastic. And yeah, I did
watch the reunion show. I'll be I'll probably watch this
show too.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
It was.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
It was one of my favorite shows. And it was
late and I think it started in ninety six and
went into the early two thousands. It was nine seasons
and unfortunately Peter Boyle passed away almost right after the
series concluded, which.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Is why they said they'll never do a remake. And
they're right, so, I mean, the money would be huge,
but some things you just leave me.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
You just like, no, it's an you can't make it right,
you can't do the thing. I'm sorry about the cold, everybody.
It keeps me from new doing a bourbon review. Well
that's why we pulled back out the Kirkling bottled in
bond that you get at Costco twenty five to thirty
dollars a bottle.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
It's an incredible deal. If you could still find it,
It'll come out again next year. As for this, the
Belgian Blue from Crowned Heads thirteen dollars and fifty cents
of stick with that Mexican's headreas rapper fingers is.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
A yes at thirteen fifty. I'm a yes for you
trying it. I have to try it again without a cold,
just to see where I'm at. I haven't smoking yet.
I can get a little bit out of it. But man,
stuff he knows makes it all all really impossible. He'll
be a yes.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, probably the Belgian Blue from Crownheads.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Have a merry little Christmas.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Enjoy and don't forget to find us on your favorite
podcast platform, Eat Drink Smoked on YouTube Eat Drink Smoked,
be sure to subscribe. Merry Christmas, a happy Hanka. We'll
catch you soon. It's t Rinks Smoke
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