December 7, 2025 • 38 mins
Tony and Fingers keep the Thanksgiving weekend chill rolling with another round of the Arturo Fuente Rare Pink Sophisticated Hooker, then turn to meat, money, and modern misery.
First up: meat. They shout out Defiance Beef, talking quarter, half, and whole cow orders, 21-day aging, ribeyes, strips, brisket, and why freezer beef might be the smartest “Black Friday” buy you can make.
Then Tony unveils his own barrel pick:
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Old Hamer 11-Year Single Barrel (selected by Tony Katz)
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99% corn, 1% malted barley, a monster at 127.6 proof
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Big butterscotch, cocoa, oak, cinnamon heat, sting on the tongue but a surprisingly gentle chest warmth
Fingers nearly tears up after a sip and warns that this pairing—Rare Pink plus 127-proof bourbon—is not for the faint of heart.
From there, they dig into the real world:
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Foreclosures up 20%, car repos climbing, and zero-percent car deals that scream “trouble.”
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Why some people are still spending like crazy while falling behind on mortgages and auto loans.
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Streaming overload: multiple services, skyrocketing sports rights, and how NFL Sunday Ticket and exclusive games are punishing traditional cable viewers.
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The slow fade of channels like MTV and Cartoon Network, and what that means for old-school cable.
Big cigar, bigger bourbon, and a sober look at an economy that doesn’t quite add up.
All that, and more, on an all-new Eat Drink Smoke!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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and man, this is the time to take it easy.
(01:25):
It's Eat Drink Smoke. I'm Tony Katz and that right
there is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers Maloy, and that's
exactly what we decide to do this weekend. There was
a tremendous amount of food, a tremendous amount of family,
and like you, we just need some time to relax
and you know what trying engaging the standard reviews and
(01:46):
really digging in. Aren't we allowed to take a small break,
Fingers MALOI.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yes, and I'm taking a break right now, as if
I haven't stuff in my face enough. I come here
for the radio Drink Smoke studio, but I stay for
the popcorn.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yes, because I do make my own popcorn that is
avocado oil and sea salt and poppet not in the
microwave that is fresh popped by these hands. It's eat, drink, smoke,
Come Tony Katz. That's America's favorite amateur drinker. Fingers molloy.
We said, you know, we picked the cigar that we've
done before. We went with the Arturo Fuent, a rare
(02:25):
pink sophisticated hooker, which is named after a fishing vessel hooker.
That's please don't send any emails, but we've said what
to drink, and I said, this might be a good time,
Fingers malloy, to introduce to you a barrel pick that
I have done with a local distillery here we've talked
about before called West Fork Whiskey. They're relocated here in Indiana,
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and they've got a whole host of things they do
under their name west Fork Whiskey, and then they've got
a whole host of things that they do. You can
buy it in a lot of places around the country.
Called Old Hamer h a m e R. It's pronounced Hamer,
not Hammer, and they've got an eight year and they've
got a ten year expression and they have a really
(03:09):
interesting mash bill here. It's ninety nine percent corn. Wow, yeah,
it's it's it's pretty nutty in how they do it right.
So instead of a corn rye barley or adding wheat,
it's ninety nine percent corn. The more corn you have,
the sweeter that it's it's going to be. And bourbon,
(03:29):
by law has to be fifty one percent corn. I
did a barrel pick for them. You offensive barrel picks everywhere.
Everyone's got a barrel pick. I did this barrel pick.
I went and I and I spoke, and I looked
at barrels and I tasted things directly out of the barrel.
I said, this is fantastic. I will be putting my name,
the Tony Katz name to the old Hammer single barrel
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eleven year bourbon whiskey coming in at one hund twenty
seven point six proof fingers. I am incredibly, incredibly happy
with what has happened here.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
That's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
So this what you're about to drink, and soon what
the world will drink. It's gonna be out. Honestly, I
think it's gonna be out in the next week or so.
To bet right, we're talking after the weekend of Thanksgiving.
So I think in the next week or so, so
plowed people are gonna be able to get this for
for for Christmas, get it for Hanakah, get it for uh,
get it in time for Valentine's Day. You know, just
(04:33):
think early, think ahead. Nothing says I love you like
a Tony Kats picked bourbon.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
So what's the the actual name of this?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Then the old Hamer eleven year okay, right, selected by
Tony Kats. That's what we've got right here.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So this also has for the mash bill ninety nine
percent corn.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Ninety nine percent corn. So what's the other one percent? Love? Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
There it is?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
That is right? Then?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Perfect for the holiday season.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
That's what I say. Uh, it's it's a very very
interesting expression. First things first, I am a fan of
the look right. It's it's not into the ambers, but
it definitely is into some darkness there. That is a
very nice it's a little calmely looking, very nice presentation
(05:25):
there of of of the bourbon. Nine nine percent multed
barley is what we're talking about here. And fingers you're
doing the nose on on this. And by the way,
there are a lot of barrel picks. Try them at
your local places there, you know it could be a
very unique expression that works exactly for your for your
flavor profile. You're doing the nose, right, He's got his
nose in their fingers, Billowy, what what are you getting fingers?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Well, I'm getting oak, but then also I'm getting.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Now there is a touch of ethanol alcohol on the
nose as well, and then.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
A little bit of caramel, a little bit of vanilla.
Am I crazy?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Oh? Would you like to see my tasting notes?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Caramel, oak, and coco. Okay, that's what's on the nose, right,
They're well done. Look at you, Look at you. But
you know, sniffin is for suckers. Sniffin is for suckers.
That's that's how I keep kids off drugs. Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
So yeah, I'm really anxious to try this, especially one
hundred and twenty one. It's been a while one hundred
and twenty seven point six, one hundred and twenty seven
point eight. It's been a while since we've done a
bourbon that has gosh, have we done anything recently? It's
been over one hundred and ten. I don't I don't think.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I don't recall at the moment, I don't recall. But figures,
are you ready for this.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Oh yeah, sure thing, but you're ready for this all
holiday weekend.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
This is the West Fork Whiskey Old Hamer eleven years
selected by Tony Katz. He was doing what nose the
Kentucky chew. He's moving the juice around the palate, getting
an idea of the flavors. I'm a believer in the
two SIPs, the first sip to set the taste buds,
second sip to really get an idea of the flavors.
Fingers took a sip of water afterwards.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I need to take another sip of this.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Oh is that right? Is that right?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Too much popcorn?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Oh? Is that it? Yeah? That's that's a problem. That
will that could mess with your palate. There, Fingers molloy,
he has taken the second sip, moving it around. What
say you, Fingers Horatio malloy.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Wow, So.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That cocoa that you mentioned that hits harder than the caramel.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
That caramel is there?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Oak?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Is there?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
That chocolate? Boy, There is a nice bit of sting
on the tongue. But I have to say, as far
as any kind of warmth, in a gentle warmth, this
plays on the palate like one hundred and twenty proof,
but it doesn't play you know in when you get
into the chest. Correct, it's not overwhelming, it is it
(08:07):
is a nice winter bourbon.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
So I absolutely agree. There's an absolute hot finish here.
There's definitely a cinnamon overtone that takes place in that.
There's definitely a sting on the tongue, sting on the lips.
Then there's the oak is present, which made me super happy.
But the thing that I liked is that this is
(08:32):
I think a fantastic presentation of butterscotch. That's the flavor
that for me. There's my tasting notes right there. It's
over here and in there in position number one. That's
what took me over the edge. It's this nice mix
of sweet but not overwhelming, mixed with that little bit
(08:54):
of cinnamon. You definitely have that oak underneath that that
ties it it well together. I said, this is something
that you can absolutely enjoy. You can put this on
the cube, you can add a little bit of water
to this as we will. What's interesting and I think
(09:15):
fingers might be curious about it. A little sweeter than
I normally go.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Well, you said ninety nine percent corn. Right away, I
was like, well, I'm I'm surprised that you would sign
up for something like that because you normally are not
one for a very sweet bourbon.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I don't think this is overly sweet, and that's what it.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Is, sweetness in a in a very nice, controlled degree.
But the heat of that cinnamon and the oak undercurrent,
I think is that is the perfect levels of balance here,
and so I am overjoyed.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
We have any idea on an MSRP yet, Oh.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I'm not going to be sharing that. The Old Hammer
eleven years selected by Tony Katz coming up soon. So
as we sit after Thanksgiving and the Black Friday is
ringing in our ears, and there's still deals out there
and we will get to it. Can AI pick a
deal better than the experts out there who pick Black
(10:15):
Friday deals, the very best Black Friday deals? We are
aware that I'm curious to see where spending is going
to be this holiday season. The economy is not great,
as we have discussed. Sorry to bring reality crashing down
in the middle of your turkey or brisket food coma
deep drink smoke, I'm Tony Katz. That is America's favorite
amateur drinker. Fingers molloy and the story out of Yahoo Finance,
(10:37):
foreclosures are up twenty percent, and some people saying, I've
seen two thousand and eight, and I've seen this movie before.
I know how it ends that that's what we're getting into.
Thirty six thousand fingers thirty six thousand, seven hundred and
sixty six foreclosure filings in October twenty percent increase year
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over year, along with thirty a thirty two percent rise
in completed foreclosures. Florida, South Carolina, Illinois reporting some of
the highest rates since the end of COVID is what
they're seeing. I find this to be not surprising. It's
(11:25):
not rude or it's not what's the word I'm looking
for negative. To say that things are not great out there,
they're they're just they're just not is the only way
to explain it. What I cannot do the math on
is we have seen, although we haven't had numbers recently
because of the government shutdown, we've seen retail spend up
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across the country and it has been very vexing. How
can things be as problematic as they are yet spending
still goes up. We've talked about this. People are still
in restaurants Okay, maybe there are less restaurants because some closed,
but they're still out, they're still spending. I want to
see where credit card debt has gone to. But does
this number of shock you fingers?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
No, because it's happening in other industries as well. I
just came across the story from WLWT NBC local in Cincinnati, Yeah,
saying recent data shows a sharp rise in US vehicle repossessions,
with seizures climbing due to record high prices for new cars.
So you're seeing this in the car market as well.
(12:29):
People aren't able to make the car payments. You're seeing
it with homes now with the foreclosures. You know, I
don't have the data in front of me, but I
feel like we've done stories recently about credit card debt,
how that's increased. People are struggling, you know, because we've
had several years of prices that continue to climb, and
(12:50):
it seems to be with not much relief. So no,
none of this surprises me.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
The I'm always amazed by the cars because when people
don't pay their mortgage. It's a stupid thing to say,
but go with me. One could argue that that's rational,
that if something has to go. It's the mortgage payment.
You're gonna stay in the house as long as you can,
and eventually you can get an apartment. But if you
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don't pay for your car, you can't get to work,
you can't engage other opportunities. So it's very, very limiting.
It's a very strange thing to do, and I think
is a sense of proof on this forward and a
full disclosure. I work with a local Ford dealership here
in Indianapolis. I always I'm a big believer in disclosure.
I always identify if there's some level of connection. And
(13:42):
they had done after the tariffs, they immediately jumped on
employee pricing. They were gonna take advantage of the fact
that this American made and you wouldn't have the tariffs here,
and we've got even better deals in it. It was
very helpful. They're moving out of that, and now they're
moving into zero percent financing, zero down, zero percent financing.
(14:02):
Uh and wait's what's the other one? Wait? What else?
Was zero down, zero financing and zero payments for the
first ninety days and the zero percent interuries is for
the first forty eight months. Now they exclude a bunch
of vehicles. The Raptor. No, it's only twenty twenty four
(14:22):
or twenty twenty five models. No Raptors, no Mavericks, no Rangers,
no super duty trucks, no transits, the Bronco, the Bronco Sport,
the Expedition Link Navigator. No no, no, no, no no no no, no,
no no. And if it's a twenty twenty four Lightning,
which is the Electric or the Mustang mache No, but
the twenty twenty five Lightning, you can get zero percent
financing and no payments for ninety days and zero down.
(14:47):
You know way more about cars than I do in
the car market. Is that a turn on to people?
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yes? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Is it? Is it a sign that things are problematic?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yes, because you know it costs automate through financing companies'
money to offer these rates, and then on top of it,
the other problem is if you have people that bought
cars recently and they didn't put a lot of money down,
they may still be underwater on their loan to where
they would have to add much more to their new
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car loan to cover paying off their old car if
they're trading it in with trade in values.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I found something interesting the other day.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I was on YouTube and some weird things will pop
into my feed every once in a while, and one
was an old commercial for Melfar forward. Melfarr was a
Detroit Lion in the seventies.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Everything goes back to the Detroit Lion. That's true.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Well, anyway, then he had a few Ford dealerships and
he was doing a commercial and he was talking about
nineteen seventy seven Fords, and I can't remember the models,
and I don't know the interest rates back then, but
he said, oh, get this new Ford seventy seven whatever
it was for one seventy seven a month. And I
(16:03):
thought to myself, Wow, So I asked our good friend
chat GPT, oh did you know, yes, what one hundred
and seventy nine dollars in nineteen seventy seven, what that
would convert to to twenty twenty five dollars nine hundred
and seventy.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Dollars a month now.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I don't know if that's true. I'm only going by
our friend chat GPT. But you see what people were
paying back then, you know, as far as what the
dollars were back then compared to what they are now,
and it's like wow. But of course you know, people
back then, weren't they didn't have cell phone bills and
internet bills and all the other bills that people have
(16:41):
right door dash. But it what you're seeing is for
some car manufacturers access inventory. That's when you'll see these
zero percent financing deals come out. When the dealerships are saying, hey,
we got a lot of cars, we got to move out.
(17:03):
Sales aren't they what they have been? And so they
need an incentive to get people to buy vehicles, and
that's where you'll see the zero percent stuff come out.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
But the bigger issue is that everyone agrees nothing is
looking great now. I am optimistic that I think that
the not great is short term. You've seen the layoffs
from ups, You've seen the layoffs from Amazon, seventeen thousand
(17:33):
from Verizon get Ready. According to my sources, more big
tech layoffs are coming because also people are relying on
AI more. Even though it may not be reliable, They're
gonna give it a go and they're gonna go down
that road. I think that all this talk about all
the investment coming to the US, if we actually start
(17:54):
seeing money flow, things turn around very very quickly. So
I think that the next six month months really until
let's let's call it June twenty twenty six. I think
that's not fun. It might it might go earlier, it
might go longer. But I think that's where the real
key pain is. It could be.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I think also that because there's been just so much
bad news recently, you know, in the in the news
cycle that people just aren't feeling very good in general
about anything, and that usually translates into spending. Hopefully, you know,
holidays will change people's mood a little bit and we
will see better spending numbers, consumer spending.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Than then maybe we were. We were thinking originally, Eat.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Drink Smoking did your cigar bourbon foody extravaganza. I'm Tony Katz.
That is fingers well. I find everything at Eat Drinks
Smoke show dot com. Uh, we have taken it easy
this Thanksgiving weekend. It was a long week and a
lot of food cooked, a lot of food and a
lot of family dealt with. And we're taking it easy
this weekend, just like you are. So we picked a
cigar we already knew. This is the Artura Fronte rare
(19:02):
pink sophisticated hooker seven and a quarter by fifty three
ring gauge. You could argue a retail price on this,
but it's very hard to find retail price. You're gonna
spend twenty five thirty thirty five bucks for this stick.
That's what you're gonna find when you find it. If
you have a chance, they come out once a year,
(19:24):
try it, see if it works for you. There's a
bunch of different looks to this, a bunch of different
shapes of Vitola's of this cigar. I happen to like
this one with the Ecuadorian habano rapper. Nice bit of
spice which is still their fingers, malloy, The spice is
still there, mellow to touch. You had mentioned, Hey, I
get a little bit more of a wood, but there
there's there's a there's a there's a bigness to this cigar,
(19:45):
but not overwhelming. I think that the spice on this
is worthwhile. It isn't pepper bomb. It's playing more than
that white pepper. I enjoy. I happen to enjoy the stick, Yeah,
I do as well.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You're right.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
The spice picked up, that wood is there. The we're
what midway through this the second third of this cigar.
We lit this up a little over in an hour
nine years ago. Correct, So we may get two hours
out of this. Yeah, so yeah, at seventeen dollars. If
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you can find it for seventeen dollars a stick, you
jump on it because.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
That was the original MSRP on this thing, seventeen seventy five.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
So thirty if it's you see it for thirty dollars
a stick, what do you think me?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I pick it up. I pick it up. But admittedly
I do buy this by the box. When I see
a box, I buy the whole box.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I'm like, yes, please hold and like you said, for
the best of lists of twenty twenty five, for our
cigar and bourbon picks, one of your main themes.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
You say it all the time. Money, money, oh.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
When it comes to the best of which we will
do at the end of December, actually the beginning of
January is when we do our best of lists. I
do you do not look at value. We've talked a
lot about, as you mentioned, value in bourbon and cigars
this year and the cost when wear prices have gone.
When I decide what is the best thing to be
smoking and drinking, I don't worry about the dollars. I'm
(21:14):
like this worked, so I don't pay attention to that
when it comes to the best of lists and what
we're drinking. I have a bourbon coming out West Fork Whiskey,
which is located here in Central Indiana where I live.
Westwork Whiskey dot Com. I have done a barrel pick
with them. I've done one of these before with a
good group called Hotel Tango Tango Distillery, and so this
(21:36):
is West Fork Whiskey and part of their old Hamer line.
This is an eleven year bourbon coming in at one
hundred and twenty seven point six proof. Absolutely thrilled with it.
Can't wait to see it on the shelves, which should
be in a couple of weeks from now. So absolutely
(21:57):
there for Christmas, for the holidays, uh to enjoy. I
don't have a price to give anybody yet on this
per bottle. I just cannot wait to bring this to everyone,
bring this presentation. I'm a fan. You added a little
bit of water to yours, Yes, go right ahead, give
that a little sip right there now. Water will bring
down Proof and this one hundred and twenty seven point
six water also opens it up. Some flavors more pronounced,
(22:20):
some more muted. That's that's what you get by adding
a water to it. Oh, it added to it, added
to the heat. You it's too much heat for you. No,
do you need to burp?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
No? I won't subject to eat, drink, smoke nation to
my dulcin tones.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
If that's what you want to call it.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, but here's what I will say. This pairing is
not for the faint of heart. No, No, big cigar,
big bourbon.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
That brought out for me even more of the sting.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Of tongue.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, it's interesting because you say butter scotch, and I
can see that. To me, it's a combination of chocolate
and oak. Okay, but you could if I sit here,
you could talk me into butterscotch. This hits you in
a way that I told Tony off the air. It
(23:19):
actually made me tear up a little bit. But I
would argue it's not because it's one hundred and twenty
seven proof that sting hits you. But it's not like
an ethanol sting to the tongue. It's just it's it's there,
and it's lively and it's really enjoyable. Now could I
(23:39):
drink more than one of these? I could I probably wouldn't,
but I could. I really like it. I like stuff
like this, Is this an everyday drinker for me? When
you start getting into one hundred and you know twenty
one hundred and thirty proof. No, it's not an everyday
drink for me. But yeah, it would be in my
(24:02):
liquor cabinet. And I'm not just saying this because it's yours. Yeah,
I don't care if you are. I think I'm totally
fine with that.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
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(24:30):
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(24:51):
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Speaker 3 (25:06):
Sounds like every day is Black Friday.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Defiancepeef dot com.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You looked, I looked, and there are a couple of
deals when you compare it, or at least one I'm
seeing right off the bat.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah. So CNN said they had hand picked Black Friday deals,
and we said, could these individuals, the so called experts,
do it better than AI and fingers will always gonna
find out.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
So from retailers and tech guides from chat gpt number
two on the list here. The first number one on
the list was AirPods Pro second Gen for one thirty
nine at Walmart. Then number two on the list is
AirPods Pro three all time low two hundred and twenty
(25:49):
dollars at best Buy. So at the CNN piece, it
was two hundred and twenty dollars on Amazon. Now a
lot of these places they will do a price match,
and they know that that's gonna happ happen. Some of
the other deals that chat gpt brought up was a
MacBook Air thirteen inch with the M four chips seven
hundred and forty nine dollars Early Black Friday deal at
(26:12):
Yahoo Shopping Samsung SI.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Wait, it was a thirteen inch MacBook Air M four.
How much was it? Seven hundred and forty nine dollars. Yep,
that's what they've got here. I think they made this
list with AI. Could very well be that I don't
I don't want to disparage you CNN. I'll let others
do that. But that's exactly what they've got right here.
Seven hundred and fifty bucks for a brand new laptop.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
So going down this list, see if anything matches up.
Ninja Appliances at Walmart they're offering up to fifty percent
off certain categories.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
By the way, can Ninja do no wrong? It's unbelievable
what they're doing with the air fryar there, the crispy
and now they've got so they've always had a good
coffee maker. I used to have a Ninja coffee maker,
and now they've got a Ninja'spresso machine, the full thing,
and I seriously considered getting one because I do. I
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absolutely trust the Ninja brand one thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Well, the other thing we're talking about, you know, we're
finishing the basement. Yeah, and we're talking about getting one
of those slushy machines that I believe Ninja makes those.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Stop, you're now officially in the new house. You're finished.
You're gonna have the basement all done up, and the
thing that you're going to add is a slushy machine.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
One of several things we're going to add, shuffle board table,
poker table, maybe even a couple of poker machines.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Wait, hold on, you know this is a poker table.
You put this over, it's poker table. The table we
use for you drink smoke. If you turn this over.
I have not done a poker nute. Should do you
want to do one? I would be all for that.
All right, We're gonna need some electronic card shufflers.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
But the slushy machine I believe Ninja makes that you
do where you can put alcohol in it and but
you can also make virgin slushies. All you have to
do is push a button to add the booze. I
believe is how it works. We're talking about getting one
of those. You're right, Ninja can do no.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Wrong, the Ninja salut slushy with rapid chill rapid chill
technology in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
That's the key tone.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
How are they not a sponsor? It's me. We've discussed many,
many times that the streaming costs are radical, and part
of the issue is you have every streaming service known
to man and beast, and it's no longer cheaper than cable.
But the amount of people who have cables down to
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fifty percent of it? Is it of the country or
the fifty percent at the height? We're now fifty percent.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
No, now we're at fifty percent.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
It was much higher. Okay fifty percent of the country
or okay, fifty percent of the country. It's Eat Drink
Smoke I Tony Kat's that's fingers from the while. You
find it all at Eat Drink Smoke show dot com.
How many more people will stick with cable as they
start losing channels because they're channels that are just they're
gonna go away, and well, the biggest one is MTV,
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the juggernaut. The thing that changed everything, quite the disruptor
of disruptors was MTV changed music. And if you listen
to there's a fantastic documentary about yacht rock, yacht Rock documentary.
I think it's on Amazon. It's so good. Really, it's
so good. It's so good. And one of the things
(29:25):
they discuss is when MTV came around, it no longer
mattered what the music was. It mattered what the look was.
And a lot of these guys who were these seventies
and early eighties musicians, they you couldn't put them on TV.
They looked weird, they weren't rock and roll in that
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in that kind of way, and so it was all
about the performance of the video and not so much
about the music itself. So changed things. But this is
going away. Paramount, which owns MTV, might put them into
smaller channels on on Paramount Plus Right, Less and Less,
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Team Nick and Cartoon Network, most probably going Away. Direct
TV didn't have it in its new entertainment package, but
they did include adult Swim and there are so many
places now to see the stuff you don't you don't
need it, you don't want it. It doesn't have the
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value that it had. I guess I'd wonder whether or
not cable still holds any value for people. But again,
this is about the money. Is it's it's we've we've
decided that it's not about choices. It's about the choices
you want to make. I still have not seen that
there's any slowing in the streaming services of I had
(30:54):
to make a decision, and these these are the ones
that I chose. I went through and I looked, and
part of it's because of what I do. I keep
tabs on things. Part of it is because this one
likes this, and this one likes that I do. I
have Hulu, Disney ESPN, I have Netflix, I have Peacock,
I have Paramount Plus, I have Apple TV. I think
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I have another one. I've Amazon Prime. So that's six.
I have these six things. And it's that's dumb, right,
Like that's just crazed.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
It feels like you have to though if you because
there are these streaming services have just enough exclusive content
that our big hits where you, oh, you can only
watch this on you know, you name the show that's
only on Apple TV or that's only on HBO and.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
So HBO Max. I have HBO Max.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Oh, that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
So it feels like you have to if you want
to keep up on television shows that are popular, especially
if you're you want to stay topical and actually know
something about pop culture. You know, it feels like you
have to. But I wonder with some of these networks
like and I freely admit I have not turned it
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tuned into cartoon Network in a long time.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Oh, you're missing out.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
But some of these networks where they're not getting as
much revenue from cable TV as they used to, if
because these streaming services have deep pockets, if they're stealing
the best talent and the best content, where it's making
these networks useless to where all they're running is repeats
of shows that were made fifteen years ago. Well, you
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don't need that anymore. You can pill up most of
that up stuff on demand.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Does streaming really have the best content? They have nine
million pieces of content, and there are really good shows
that don't get a second season. The amount of times
my wife and I've been like, what do you mean
there's not a second season of named the Thing coming out?
Really good stuff because the cost is too much. It's
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not a viewership to it. So I don't I don't know.
I don't know if they're getting the very very best stuff.
But this one has this and that one has that.
But how many people are getting streaming because well, the
streaming is where I get Thursday night football on Peacock
And oh my gosh, look look how angry you just got.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
And that's only gonna get worse.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Oh yes it will, because you've got networks that are
struggling to come up with the cash to cover these
ridiculously high broadcast contracts for the NFL, where streaming services
are are standing on the sideline saying I.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Got the money. I got the money.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
And so you know, I know we brought this up before,
but my poor father, you know, having to navigate through
the NFL season, say okay, well this game, Dad, that's.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Not on locally on cable.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
You've got to go to a prime video or you
that's exclusively on Peacock, And you go down the list
for the people who are traditional cable can especially seasoned citizens.
It's this is there are going to be some tough
waters to navigate.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
The the sports thing. So you have you have the
YouTube stuff where you watch football?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Right?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, I've got an NFL Sunday ticket.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
So don't you have to have YouTube TV in order
to get a NFL Sunday ticket. You don't, Okay, I
thought you did, because YouTube TV is like eighty two
dollars a month.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Now they give you a discount, I believe on Sunday
ticket if you have YouTube TV. But you can pay
full price for NFL Sunday ticket and watch it on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
And how much is NFL Sunday ticket?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Oh, good lord, it's I think it was five hundred dollars. Yeah,
but see, I mean maybe even more than that. That's
insane five hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I was going to try and rationalize, and then I
realized I can't do that. That's a crazy, crazy amount
of loot.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Well, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Oh, and I have fan Dual Sports Network for the
Indiana Pacers for my kid. Wow. Yeah. Absolutely become a
sponsor of Eat, Drink, Smoke so I can afford all
these streaming services.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
If you're a non YouTube TV subscriber, I think it
is close to five hundred dollars. And like I said,
they give you a discount. But if you're the type
of person that loves your football team and you're an
out of market fan like I am, even though because
my Detroit Lions are good, not as good as they
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were last year, but they're good, I could see probably
eight to ten games a year locally here in Indianapolis,
either because they're a national game they're on Monday Night football,
Sunday night football, Thursday night football, or because we're regionally
in the area. You know, they may choose the Lions
game in the early window if the Colts aren't playing.
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But yeah, the alternative is, if you're a huge football fan,
you go to a bar.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
You know, if you go to a bar twelve thirteen
times a year to watch your team, you're gonna spend
more than five hundred dollars by the time you have
some beers. But you're just gonna sit in the beer
and sit in the bar, watch your game and have
one beer. You're gonna order some drinks. You're gonna order
all the bar food. Fried fried with a side of fried, Right,
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and does.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
That sound delicious? This post Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I could go put a basket of fried mushrooms in
front of me right now, or some fried pickles.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
On your rings. By the way, fried pickles are the
thing like like, that's like a fifty to fifty thing
people love or people hate. Yes, I love, I love you.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
The other thing, too, I feel like, is the fried
mushrooms too. People either love those or they absolutely can't
stand them.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
It's the mushroom is in and of itself watery, and
sometimes that that feel is not so not so great. Man.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
We got I won't mention the name of the restaurant,
but we got chips and queso from this restaurant, and
some leftover chips were left in the bag and the
next day they were on the counter. And the amount
of grease that was on the bottom because they make
their own chips at this restaurant, I wept.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
It was beautiful. I really hope everybody had a magnificent
Thanksgiving and we get into the holidays and enjoy every
bit of it. We picked the Artro Fuente rare pink
sophisticated hooker for today. Just wanted to take it easy
with something special. Check it out for yourself. And I
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do have a barrel pick bourbon that is coming out.
I'll give you more information about that from the guys
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It's Eat Drink Smoke. I'm Tony Katz and that right
there is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers Maloy, and that's
exactly what we decide to do this weekend. There was
a tremendous amount of food, a tremendous amount of family,
and like you, we just need some time to relax
and you know what trying engaging the standard reviews and
(01:46):
really digging in. Aren't we allowed to take a small break,
Fingers MALOI.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yes, and I'm taking a break right now, as if
I haven't stuff in my face enough. I come here
for the radio Drink Smoke studio, but I stay for
the popcorn.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yes, because I do make my own popcorn that is
avocado oil and sea salt and poppet not in the
microwave that is fresh popped by these hands. It's eat, drink, smoke,
Come Tony Katz. That's America's favorite amateur drinker. Fingers molloy.
We said, you know, we picked the cigar that we've
done before. We went with the Arturo Fuent, a rare
(02:25):
pink sophisticated hooker, which is named after a fishing vessel hooker.
That's please don't send any emails, but we've said what
to drink, and I said, this might be a good time,
Fingers malloy, to introduce to you a barrel pick that
I have done with a local distillery here we've talked
about before called West Fork Whiskey. They're relocated here in Indiana,
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and they've got a whole host of things they do
under their name west Fork Whiskey, and then they've got
a whole host of things that they do. You can
buy it in a lot of places around the country.
Called Old Hamer h a m e R. It's pronounced Hamer,
not Hammer, and they've got an eight year and they've
got a ten year expression and they have a really
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interesting mash bill here. It's ninety nine percent corn. Wow, yeah,
it's it's it's pretty nutty in how they do it right.
So instead of a corn rye barley or adding wheat,
it's ninety nine percent corn. The more corn you have,
the sweeter that it's it's going to be. And bourbon,
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by law has to be fifty one percent corn. I
did a barrel pick for them. You offensive barrel picks everywhere.
Everyone's got a barrel pick. I did this barrel pick.
I went and I and I spoke, and I looked
at barrels and I tasted things directly out of the barrel.
I said, this is fantastic. I will be putting my name,
the Tony Katz name to the old Hammer single barrel
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eleven year bourbon whiskey coming in at one hund twenty
seven point six proof fingers. I am incredibly, incredibly happy
with what has happened here.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
That's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
So this what you're about to drink, and soon what
the world will drink. It's gonna be out. Honestly, I
think it's gonna be out in the next week or so.
To bet right, we're talking after the weekend of Thanksgiving.
So I think in the next week or so, so
plowed people are gonna be able to get this for
for for Christmas, get it for Hanakah, get it for uh,
get it in time for Valentine's Day. You know, just
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think early, think ahead. Nothing says I love you like
a Tony Kats picked bourbon.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
So what's the the actual name of this?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Then the old Hamer eleven year okay, right, selected by
Tony Kats. That's what we've got right here.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So this also has for the mash bill ninety nine
percent corn.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Ninety nine percent corn. So what's the other one percent? Love? Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
There it is?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
That is right? Then?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Perfect for the holiday season.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
That's what I say. Uh, it's it's a very very
interesting expression. First things first, I am a fan of
the look right. It's it's not into the ambers, but
it definitely is into some darkness there. That is a
very nice it's a little calmely looking, very nice presentation
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there of of of the bourbon. Nine nine percent multed
barley is what we're talking about here. And fingers you're
doing the nose on on this. And by the way,
there are a lot of barrel picks. Try them at
your local places there, you know it could be a
very unique expression that works exactly for your for your
flavor profile. You're doing the nose, right, He's got his
nose in their fingers, Billowy, what what are you getting fingers?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Well, I'm getting oak, but then also I'm getting.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Now there is a touch of ethanol alcohol on the
nose as well, and then.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
A little bit of caramel, a little bit of vanilla.
Am I crazy?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Oh? Would you like to see my tasting notes?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Caramel, oak, and coco. Okay, that's what's on the nose, right,
They're well done. Look at you, Look at you. But
you know, sniffin is for suckers. Sniffin is for suckers.
That's that's how I keep kids off drugs. Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
So yeah, I'm really anxious to try this, especially one
hundred and twenty one. It's been a while one hundred
and twenty seven point six, one hundred and twenty seven
point eight. It's been a while since we've done a
bourbon that has gosh, have we done anything recently? It's
been over one hundred and ten. I don't I don't think.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I don't recall at the moment, I don't recall. But figures,
are you ready for this.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Oh yeah, sure thing, but you're ready for this all
holiday weekend.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
This is the West Fork Whiskey Old Hamer eleven years
selected by Tony Katz. He was doing what nose the
Kentucky chew. He's moving the juice around the palate, getting
an idea of the flavors. I'm a believer in the
two SIPs, the first sip to set the taste buds,
second sip to really get an idea of the flavors.
Fingers took a sip of water afterwards.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I need to take another sip of this.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Oh is that right? Is that right?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Too much popcorn?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Oh? Is that it? Yeah? That's that's a problem. That
will that could mess with your palate. There, Fingers molloy,
he has taken the second sip, moving it around. What
say you, Fingers Horatio malloy.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Wow, So.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That cocoa that you mentioned that hits harder than the caramel.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
That caramel is there?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Oak?
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Is there?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
That chocolate? Boy, There is a nice bit of sting
on the tongue. But I have to say, as far
as any kind of warmth, in a gentle warmth, this
plays on the palate like one hundred and twenty proof,
but it doesn't play you know in when you get
into the chest. Correct, it's not overwhelming, it is it
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is a nice winter bourbon.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
So I absolutely agree. There's an absolute hot finish here.
There's definitely a cinnamon overtone that takes place in that.
There's definitely a sting on the tongue, sting on the lips.
Then there's the oak is present, which made me super happy.
But the thing that I liked is that this is
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I think a fantastic presentation of butterscotch. That's the flavor
that for me. There's my tasting notes right there. It's
over here and in there in position number one. That's
what took me over the edge. It's this nice mix
of sweet but not overwhelming, mixed with that little bit
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of cinnamon. You definitely have that oak underneath that that
ties it it well together. I said, this is something
that you can absolutely enjoy. You can put this on
the cube, you can add a little bit of water
to this as we will. What's interesting and I think
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fingers might be curious about it. A little sweeter than
I normally go.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Well, you said ninety nine percent corn. Right away, I
was like, well, I'm I'm surprised that you would sign
up for something like that because you normally are not
one for a very sweet bourbon.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I don't think this is overly sweet, and that's what it.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Is, sweetness in a in a very nice, controlled degree.
But the heat of that cinnamon and the oak undercurrent,
I think is that is the perfect levels of balance here,
and so I am overjoyed.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
We have any idea on an MSRP yet, Oh.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I'm not going to be sharing that. The Old Hammer
eleven years selected by Tony Katz coming up soon. So
as we sit after Thanksgiving and the Black Friday is
ringing in our ears, and there's still deals out there
and we will get to it. Can AI pick a
deal better than the experts out there who pick Black
(10:15):
Friday deals, the very best Black Friday deals? We are
aware that I'm curious to see where spending is going
to be this holiday season. The economy is not great,
as we have discussed. Sorry to bring reality crashing down
in the middle of your turkey or brisket food coma
deep drink smoke, I'm Tony Katz. That is America's favorite
amateur drinker. Fingers molloy and the story out of Yahoo Finance,
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foreclosures are up twenty percent, and some people saying, I've
seen two thousand and eight, and I've seen this movie before.
I know how it ends that that's what we're getting into.
Thirty six thousand fingers thirty six thousand, seven hundred and
sixty six foreclosure filings in October twenty percent increase year
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over year, along with thirty a thirty two percent rise
in completed foreclosures. Florida, South Carolina, Illinois reporting some of
the highest rates since the end of COVID is what
they're seeing. I find this to be not surprising. It's
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not rude or it's not what's the word I'm looking
for negative. To say that things are not great out there,
they're they're just they're just not is the only way
to explain it. What I cannot do the math on
is we have seen, although we haven't had numbers recently
because of the government shutdown, we've seen retail spend up
(11:46):
across the country and it has been very vexing. How
can things be as problematic as they are yet spending
still goes up. We've talked about this. People are still
in restaurants Okay, maybe there are less restaurants because some closed,
but they're still out, they're still spending. I want to
see where credit card debt has gone to. But does
this number of shock you fingers?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
No, because it's happening in other industries as well. I
just came across the story from WLWT NBC local in Cincinnati, Yeah,
saying recent data shows a sharp rise in US vehicle repossessions,
with seizures climbing due to record high prices for new cars.
So you're seeing this in the car market as well.
(12:29):
People aren't able to make the car payments. You're seeing
it with homes now with the foreclosures. You know, I
don't have the data in front of me, but I
feel like we've done stories recently about credit card debt,
how that's increased. People are struggling, you know, because we've
had several years of prices that continue to climb, and
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it seems to be with not much relief. So no,
none of this surprises me.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
The I'm always amazed by the cars because when people
don't pay their mortgage. It's a stupid thing to say,
but go with me. One could argue that that's rational,
that if something has to go. It's the mortgage payment.
You're gonna stay in the house as long as you can,
and eventually you can get an apartment. But if you
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don't pay for your car, you can't get to work,
you can't engage other opportunities. So it's very, very limiting.
It's a very strange thing to do, and I think
is a sense of proof on this forward and a
full disclosure. I work with a local Ford dealership here
in Indianapolis. I always I'm a big believer in disclosure.
I always identify if there's some level of connection. And
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they had done after the tariffs, they immediately jumped on
employee pricing. They were gonna take advantage of the fact
that this American made and you wouldn't have the tariffs here,
and we've got even better deals in it. It was
very helpful. They're moving out of that, and now they're
moving into zero percent financing, zero down, zero percent financing.
(14:02):
Uh and wait's what's the other one? Wait? What else?
Was zero down, zero financing and zero payments for the
first ninety days and the zero percent interuries is for
the first forty eight months. Now they exclude a bunch
of vehicles. The Raptor. No, it's only twenty twenty four
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or twenty twenty five models. No Raptors, no Mavericks, no Rangers,
no super duty trucks, no transits, the Bronco, the Bronco Sport,
the Expedition Link Navigator. No no, no, no, no no no no, no,
no no. And if it's a twenty twenty four Lightning,
which is the Electric or the Mustang mache No, but
the twenty twenty five Lightning, you can get zero percent
financing and no payments for ninety days and zero down.
(14:47):
You know way more about cars than I do in
the car market. Is that a turn on to people?
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yes? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Is it? Is it a sign that things are problematic?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yes, because you know it costs automate through financing companies'
money to offer these rates, and then on top of it,
the other problem is if you have people that bought
cars recently and they didn't put a lot of money down,
they may still be underwater on their loan to where
they would have to add much more to their new
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car loan to cover paying off their old car if
they're trading it in with trade in values.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I found something interesting the other day.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I was on YouTube and some weird things will pop
into my feed every once in a while, and one
was an old commercial for Melfar forward. Melfarr was a
Detroit Lion in the seventies.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Everything goes back to the Detroit Lion. That's true.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Well, anyway, then he had a few Ford dealerships and
he was doing a commercial and he was talking about
nineteen seventy seven Fords, and I can't remember the models,
and I don't know the interest rates back then, but
he said, oh, get this new Ford seventy seven whatever
it was for one seventy seven a month. And I
(16:03):
thought to myself, Wow, So I asked our good friend
chat GPT, oh did you know, yes, what one hundred
and seventy nine dollars in nineteen seventy seven, what that
would convert to to twenty twenty five dollars nine hundred
and seventy.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Dollars a month now.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I don't know if that's true. I'm only going by
our friend chat GPT. But you see what people were
paying back then, you know, as far as what the
dollars were back then compared to what they are now,
and it's like wow. But of course you know, people
back then, weren't they didn't have cell phone bills and
internet bills and all the other bills that people have
(16:41):
right door dash. But it what you're seeing is for
some car manufacturers access inventory. That's when you'll see these
zero percent financing deals come out. When the dealerships are saying, hey,
we got a lot of cars, we got to move out.
(17:03):
Sales aren't they what they have been? And so they
need an incentive to get people to buy vehicles, and
that's where you'll see the zero percent stuff come out.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
But the bigger issue is that everyone agrees nothing is
looking great now. I am optimistic that I think that
the not great is short term. You've seen the layoffs
from ups, You've seen the layoffs from Amazon, seventeen thousand
(17:33):
from Verizon get Ready. According to my sources, more big
tech layoffs are coming because also people are relying on
AI more. Even though it may not be reliable, They're
gonna give it a go and they're gonna go down
that road. I think that all this talk about all
the investment coming to the US, if we actually start
(17:54):
seeing money flow, things turn around very very quickly. So
I think that the next six month months really until
let's let's call it June twenty twenty six. I think
that's not fun. It might it might go earlier, it
might go longer. But I think that's where the real
key pain is. It could be.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I think also that because there's been just so much
bad news recently, you know, in the in the news
cycle that people just aren't feeling very good in general
about anything, and that usually translates into spending. Hopefully, you know,
holidays will change people's mood a little bit and we
will see better spending numbers, consumer spending.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Than then maybe we were. We were thinking originally, Eat.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Drink Smoking did your cigar bourbon foody extravaganza. I'm Tony Katz.
That is fingers well. I find everything at Eat Drinks
Smoke show dot com. Uh, we have taken it easy
this Thanksgiving weekend. It was a long week and a
lot of food cooked, a lot of food and a
lot of family dealt with. And we're taking it easy
this weekend, just like you are. So we picked a
cigar we already knew. This is the Artura Fronte rare
(19:02):
pink sophisticated hooker seven and a quarter by fifty three
ring gauge. You could argue a retail price on this,
but it's very hard to find retail price. You're gonna
spend twenty five thirty thirty five bucks for this stick.
That's what you're gonna find when you find it. If
you have a chance, they come out once a year,
(19:24):
try it, see if it works for you. There's a
bunch of different looks to this, a bunch of different
shapes of Vitola's of this cigar. I happen to like
this one with the Ecuadorian habano rapper. Nice bit of
spice which is still their fingers, malloy, The spice is
still there, mellow to touch. You had mentioned, Hey, I
get a little bit more of a wood, but there
there's there's a there's a there's a bigness to this cigar,
(19:45):
but not overwhelming. I think that the spice on this
is worthwhile. It isn't pepper bomb. It's playing more than
that white pepper. I enjoy. I happen to enjoy the stick, Yeah,
I do as well.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You're right.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
The spice picked up, that wood is there. The we're
what midway through this the second third of this cigar.
We lit this up a little over in an hour
nine years ago. Correct, So we may get two hours
out of this. Yeah, so yeah, at seventeen dollars. If
(20:20):
you can find it for seventeen dollars a stick, you
jump on it because.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
That was the original MSRP on this thing, seventeen seventy five.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
So thirty if it's you see it for thirty dollars
a stick, what do you think me?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I pick it up. I pick it up. But admittedly
I do buy this by the box. When I see
a box, I buy the whole box.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I'm like, yes, please hold and like you said, for
the best of lists of twenty twenty five, for our
cigar and bourbon picks, one of your main themes.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
You say it all the time. Money, money, oh.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
When it comes to the best of which we will
do at the end of December, actually the beginning of
January is when we do our best of lists. I
do you do not look at value. We've talked a
lot about, as you mentioned, value in bourbon and cigars
this year and the cost when wear prices have gone.
When I decide what is the best thing to be
smoking and drinking, I don't worry about the dollars. I'm
(21:14):
like this worked, so I don't pay attention to that
when it comes to the best of lists and what
we're drinking. I have a bourbon coming out West Fork Whiskey,
which is located here in Central Indiana where I live.
Westwork Whiskey dot Com. I have done a barrel pick
with them. I've done one of these before with a
good group called Hotel Tango Tango Distillery, and so this
(21:36):
is West Fork Whiskey and part of their old Hamer line.
This is an eleven year bourbon coming in at one
hundred and twenty seven point six proof. Absolutely thrilled with it.
Can't wait to see it on the shelves, which should
be in a couple of weeks from now. So absolutely
(21:57):
there for Christmas, for the holidays, uh to enjoy. I
don't have a price to give anybody yet on this
per bottle. I just cannot wait to bring this to everyone,
bring this presentation. I'm a fan. You added a little
bit of water to yours, Yes, go right ahead, give
that a little sip right there now. Water will bring
down Proof and this one hundred and twenty seven point
six water also opens it up. Some flavors more pronounced,
(22:20):
some more muted. That's that's what you get by adding
a water to it. Oh, it added to it, added
to the heat. You it's too much heat for you. No,
do you need to burp?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
No? I won't subject to eat, drink, smoke nation to
my dulcin tones.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
If that's what you want to call it.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, but here's what I will say. This pairing is
not for the faint of heart. No, No, big cigar,
big bourbon.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
That brought out for me even more of the sting.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Of tongue.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, it's interesting because you say butter scotch, and I
can see that. To me, it's a combination of chocolate
and oak. Okay, but you could if I sit here,
you could talk me into butterscotch. This hits you in
a way that I told Tony off the air. It
(23:19):
actually made me tear up a little bit. But I
would argue it's not because it's one hundred and twenty
seven proof that sting hits you. But it's not like
an ethanol sting to the tongue. It's just it's it's there,
and it's lively and it's really enjoyable. Now could I
(23:39):
drink more than one of these? I could I probably wouldn't,
but I could. I really like it. I like stuff
like this, Is this an everyday drinker for me? When
you start getting into one hundred and you know twenty
one hundred and thirty proof. No, it's not an everyday
drink for me. But yeah, it would be in my
(24:02):
liquor cabinet. And I'm not just saying this because it's yours. Yeah,
I don't care if you are. I think I'm totally
fine with that.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
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of the one of the best places to get your
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our proud sponsor, where you can order a quarter cow,
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(24:30):
chest freezer you're ready to go. The strips, the tenderloins,
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(24:51):
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Friday Thanksgiving weekend. That's the gift that keeps on giving.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Sounds like every day is Black Friday.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Defiancepeef dot com.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
You looked, I looked, and there are a couple of
deals when you compare it, or at least one I'm
seeing right off the bat.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah. So CNN said they had hand picked Black Friday deals,
and we said, could these individuals, the so called experts,
do it better than AI and fingers will always gonna
find out.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
So from retailers and tech guides from chat gpt number
two on the list here. The first number one on
the list was AirPods Pro second Gen for one thirty
nine at Walmart. Then number two on the list is
AirPods Pro three all time low two hundred and twenty
(25:49):
dollars at best Buy. So at the CNN piece, it
was two hundred and twenty dollars on Amazon. Now a
lot of these places they will do a price match,
and they know that that's gonna happ happen. Some of
the other deals that chat gpt brought up was a
MacBook Air thirteen inch with the M four chips seven
hundred and forty nine dollars Early Black Friday deal at
(26:12):
Yahoo Shopping Samsung SI.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Wait, it was a thirteen inch MacBook Air M four.
How much was it? Seven hundred and forty nine dollars. Yep,
that's what they've got here. I think they made this
list with AI. Could very well be that I don't
I don't want to disparage you CNN. I'll let others
do that. But that's exactly what they've got right here.
Seven hundred and fifty bucks for a brand new laptop.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
So going down this list, see if anything matches up.
Ninja Appliances at Walmart they're offering up to fifty percent
off certain categories.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
By the way, can Ninja do no wrong? It's unbelievable
what they're doing with the air fryar there, the crispy
and now they've got so they've always had a good
coffee maker. I used to have a Ninja coffee maker,
and now they've got a Ninja'spresso machine, the full thing,
and I seriously considered getting one because I do. I
(27:06):
absolutely trust the Ninja brand one thousand percent.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Well, the other thing we're talking about, you know, we're
finishing the basement. Yeah, and we're talking about getting one
of those slushy machines that I believe Ninja makes those.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Stop, you're now officially in the new house. You're finished.
You're gonna have the basement all done up, and the
thing that you're going to add is a slushy machine.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
One of several things we're going to add, shuffle board table,
poker table, maybe even a couple of poker machines.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Wait, hold on, you know this is a poker table.
You put this over, it's poker table. The table we
use for you drink smoke. If you turn this over.
I have not done a poker nute. Should do you
want to do one? I would be all for that.
All right, We're gonna need some electronic card shufflers.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
But the slushy machine I believe Ninja makes that you
do where you can put alcohol in it and but
you can also make virgin slushies. All you have to
do is push a button to add the booze. I
believe is how it works. We're talking about getting one
of those. You're right, Ninja can do no.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Wrong, the Ninja salut slushy with rapid chill rapid chill
technology in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
That's the key tone.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
How are they not a sponsor? It's me. We've discussed many,
many times that the streaming costs are radical, and part
of the issue is you have every streaming service known
to man and beast, and it's no longer cheaper than cable.
But the amount of people who have cables down to
(28:34):
fifty percent of it? Is it of the country or
the fifty percent at the height? We're now fifty percent.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
No, now we're at fifty percent.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
It was much higher. Okay fifty percent of the country
or okay, fifty percent of the country. It's Eat Drink
Smoke I Tony Kat's that's fingers from the while. You
find it all at Eat Drink Smoke show dot com.
How many more people will stick with cable as they
start losing channels because they're channels that are just they're
gonna go away, and well, the biggest one is MTV,
(29:04):
the juggernaut. The thing that changed everything, quite the disruptor
of disruptors was MTV changed music. And if you listen
to there's a fantastic documentary about yacht rock, yacht Rock documentary.
I think it's on Amazon. It's so good. Really, it's
so good. It's so good. And one of the things
(29:25):
they discuss is when MTV came around, it no longer
mattered what the music was. It mattered what the look was.
And a lot of these guys who were these seventies
and early eighties musicians, they you couldn't put them on TV.
They looked weird, they weren't rock and roll in that
(29:46):
in that kind of way, and so it was all
about the performance of the video and not so much
about the music itself. So changed things. But this is
going away. Paramount, which owns MTV, might put them into
smaller channels on on Paramount Plus Right, Less and Less,
(30:10):
Team Nick and Cartoon Network, most probably going Away. Direct
TV didn't have it in its new entertainment package, but
they did include adult Swim and there are so many
places now to see the stuff you don't you don't
need it, you don't want it. It doesn't have the
(30:30):
value that it had. I guess I'd wonder whether or
not cable still holds any value for people. But again,
this is about the money. Is it's it's we've we've
decided that it's not about choices. It's about the choices
you want to make. I still have not seen that
there's any slowing in the streaming services of I had
(30:54):
to make a decision, and these these are the ones
that I chose. I went through and I looked, and
part of it's because of what I do. I keep
tabs on things. Part of it is because this one
likes this, and this one likes that I do. I
have Hulu, Disney ESPN, I have Netflix, I have Peacock,
I have Paramount Plus, I have Apple TV. I think
(31:15):
I have another one. I've Amazon Prime. So that's six.
I have these six things. And it's that's dumb, right,
Like that's just crazed.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
It feels like you have to though if you because
there are these streaming services have just enough exclusive content
that our big hits where you, oh, you can only
watch this on you know, you name the show that's
only on Apple TV or that's only on HBO and.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
So HBO Max. I have HBO Max.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Oh, that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
So it feels like you have to if you want
to keep up on television shows that are popular, especially
if you're you want to stay topical and actually know
something about pop culture. You know, it feels like you
have to. But I wonder with some of these networks
like and I freely admit I have not turned it
(32:08):
tuned into cartoon Network in a long time.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Oh, you're missing out.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
But some of these networks where they're not getting as
much revenue from cable TV as they used to, if
because these streaming services have deep pockets, if they're stealing
the best talent and the best content, where it's making
these networks useless to where all they're running is repeats
of shows that were made fifteen years ago. Well, you
(32:33):
don't need that anymore. You can pill up most of
that up stuff on demand.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Does streaming really have the best content? They have nine
million pieces of content, and there are really good shows
that don't get a second season. The amount of times
my wife and I've been like, what do you mean
there's not a second season of named the Thing coming out?
Really good stuff because the cost is too much. It's
(32:57):
not a viewership to it. So I don't I don't know.
I don't know if they're getting the very very best stuff.
But this one has this and that one has that.
But how many people are getting streaming because well, the
streaming is where I get Thursday night football on Peacock
And oh my gosh, look look how angry you just got.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
And that's only gonna get worse.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Oh yes it will, because you've got networks that are
struggling to come up with the cash to cover these
ridiculously high broadcast contracts for the NFL, where streaming services
are are standing on the sideline saying I.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Got the money. I got the money.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
And so you know, I know we brought this up before,
but my poor father, you know, having to navigate through
the NFL season, say okay, well this game, Dad, that's.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Not on locally on cable.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
You've got to go to a prime video or you
that's exclusively on Peacock, And you go down the list
for the people who are traditional cable can especially seasoned citizens.
It's this is there are going to be some tough
waters to navigate.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
The the sports thing. So you have you have the
YouTube stuff where you watch football?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Right?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, I've got an NFL Sunday ticket.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
So don't you have to have YouTube TV in order
to get a NFL Sunday ticket. You don't, Okay, I
thought you did, because YouTube TV is like eighty two
dollars a month.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Now they give you a discount, I believe on Sunday
ticket if you have YouTube TV. But you can pay
full price for NFL Sunday ticket and watch it on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
And how much is NFL Sunday ticket?
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Oh, good lord, it's I think it was five hundred dollars. Yeah,
but see, I mean maybe even more than that. That's
insane five hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I was going to try and rationalize, and then I
realized I can't do that. That's a crazy, crazy amount
of loot.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Well, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Oh, and I have fan Dual Sports Network for the
Indiana Pacers for my kid. Wow. Yeah. Absolutely become a
sponsor of Eat, Drink, Smoke so I can afford all
these streaming services.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
If you're a non YouTube TV subscriber, I think it
is close to five hundred dollars. And like I said,
they give you a discount. But if you're the type
of person that loves your football team and you're an
out of market fan like I am, even though because
my Detroit Lions are good, not as good as they
(35:42):
were last year, but they're good, I could see probably
eight to ten games a year locally here in Indianapolis,
either because they're a national game they're on Monday Night football,
Sunday night football, Thursday night football, or because we're regionally
in the area. You know, they may choose the Lions
game in the early window if the Colts aren't playing.
(36:04):
But yeah, the alternative is, if you're a huge football fan,
you go to a bar.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Right.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
You know, if you go to a bar twelve thirteen
times a year to watch your team, you're gonna spend
more than five hundred dollars by the time you have
some beers. But you're just gonna sit in the beer
and sit in the bar, watch your game and have
one beer. You're gonna order some drinks. You're gonna order
all the bar food. Fried fried with a side of fried, Right,
(36:33):
and does.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
That sound delicious? This post Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I could go put a basket of fried mushrooms in
front of me right now, or some fried pickles.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
On your rings. By the way, fried pickles are the
thing like like, that's like a fifty to fifty thing
people love or people hate. Yes, I love, I love you.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
The other thing, too, I feel like, is the fried
mushrooms too. People either love those or they absolutely can't
stand them.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
It's the mushroom is in and of itself watery, and
sometimes that that feel is not so not so great. Man.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
We got I won't mention the name of the restaurant,
but we got chips and queso from this restaurant, and
some leftover chips were left in the bag and the
next day they were on the counter. And the amount
of grease that was on the bottom because they make
their own chips at this restaurant, I wept.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
It was beautiful. I really hope everybody had a magnificent
Thanksgiving and we get into the holidays and enjoy every
bit of it. We picked the Artro Fuente rare pink
sophisticated hooker for today. Just wanted to take it easy
with something special. Check it out for yourself. And I
(37:46):
do have a barrel pick bourbon that is coming out.
I'll give you more information about that from the guys
at west Fork whiskey dot com. I hope it was
a wonderful Thanksgiving. This is the drink, smoke
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