November 27, 2025 • 37 mins
On this Happy Hour, Tony and Fingers explore the Rocky Patel Thirtieth Anniversary Toro. This episode takes you on a flavorful journey through this beautifully crafted box-pressed cigar, featuring a deep Mexican San Andreas wrapper and a seven-year-aged Nicaraguan binder.
The hosts dive into the rich tobacco-forward profile that evolves throughout the smoking experience, revealing subtle notes of cocoa, wood, and a gentle spice that develops as the cigar progresses. Their candid conversation captures both the artistry behind Rocky Patel's milestone release and whether this $18 stick deserves a place in your humidor.
Key Takeaways:
First impressions of the Rocky Patel 30th Anniversary's appearance and construction.
Initial flavor profile discussion: rich tobacco with subtle cocoa and wood notes.
The importance of keeping cigar tasting notes and how the weather affects your experience.
Second-third flavor development with increased cedar notes.
Final thoughts on value and whether this cigar belongs in your collection. "Oreo Gate" - The hosts' hilarious misadventure with overpriced holiday-themed cookies.
News of the week: Economic indicators and what they mean for consumers.
Whether you're a seasoned aficionado or curious newcomer to premium cigars, this episode offers valuable insights into cigar appreciation while delivering plenty of laughs along the way. Light up your favorite stick and join Tony and Fingers for this entertaining exploration of Rocky Patel's anniversary celebration.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Rocky Platel. He's got a lot of scars. I mean,
he's got an insane number of cigars. It is a
ridiculous number of cigars. We haven't done too many of
them on the show. It's nothing against Rocky. We've interviewed
Rocky before. He's a nice guy, and this is the
thirtieth anniversary. It's he drink smoke. I'm Tony Katz and
that is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers maloy. I got
(00:27):
to admit it's pretty as a picture. The band with
a traditional RP on it, Rocky Motel in the cursive
in the back, in the black, and this rapper, which
is a Mexican San Andreas, is as close to a scurrow,
you know. This is a deep deep maduro rapper here.
Although it's a Mexican San Andreas.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm just talking about the.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Look right there, how it looks. It is just dark
and delicious looking and a beautiful, harder edged box press
for this toro right here, because that's what we are smoking,
the Rocky Battel thirtieth anniversary Toro, which comes in six
and a half by fifty two, which means it's six
and one half inches long.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Tea always makes fingers well.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I laugh, and the ring gauge is the fifty two
that's a diameter of the cigar, or how thick it
is around again with the laughter, So a sixty four
ring gauge would be a full one inch around. I'm
just lighting mine. Fingers is always like, why don't you
like before we start the show, and I'm always reminding him,
you're not the bossom me. You know what I have
to say something.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'm a strong independent woman. I don't need no man.
Are you okay? You seem a little sassy today.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I just did I mention the strong independent woman part.
I'm solid. I am good. It has been a week,
it has been a.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Thing, but this looks quite all right.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Admittedly we haven't done too many Rocky btels in the
course of the program. I am still so the Rocky
Hotel Cameroon. I'm very partial too, and the Rocky Hotel
going old School, the Rocky Hotel nineteen ninety, which was
a ninety two rating on Cigar Aficionado. I would still
smoke that any day of the week. Like that cigar
(02:07):
has always worked for me. This one, I don't know,
because it's newer, and what I know about it is
that you've got Nicaraguan binder hundurna Nicaraguan filler. But the binder,
you're talking about seven year tobacco in this, and I
want to see if I really feel get to taste
flavor of what that age is. You're on this fingers,
(02:29):
you're into the first third. What do you got?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, first of all, I have to say that the
stick itself is beefy. For yeah, we've got some f Yeah.
I was really surprised when you said that the ring
gage is fifty two. I thought it was actually smaller.
But maybe it's just my hand I've been working out.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, so maybe it could be that and model future,
Oh that's the dream. Having said that, I'm not getting
much right away off of the stick, I'm not getting
a lot of spice, not getting any like you know,
coffee or chocolate notes at this point, there's an kind
(03:07):
of like richness to it. But other other than that,
not a whole heck of a lot. But we, like
you said, we just lit this. I lit this like
two minutes ago, so that is.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
A very rich tobacco right off the light because I
just lit mine up very very rich. You're right, there
isn't much of a spice, but there is a little
wood tingle going on on the tongue there. I would
argue that there's the tobacco part could be seen as
almost a cocoa We're not talking about a milk chocolate,
(03:38):
dark chocolate bitterness or anything like that. But there's like this,
this this little bit of of earthen cocoa sweet with
this little bit of of wood feel, cedar feel there
throughout the tongue. But it's tobacco. It's a rich tobacco forward.
That was a very very nice, right off the light flavor.
(04:03):
Give me that all day and I could do that absolutely.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I will say this, these notes that you're referring to,
I have been pounding coffee today, and if these are
would you say that it's not a euphemism? Is it? No,
it's it's not. I'm actually drinking let's say, four or
five cups of coffee today. I feel like one hundred dollars.
Thank you. I appreciate that these notes that you're talking about.
(04:28):
Are they subtle enough at this point? Do you think
that maybe I'm not getting any of that because my
palette has been overpowered by the coffee.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I think it's possible that you don't even know where
your palette is yet. You've had a whole day of
doing things locally knows what you've eaten today?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Dwell, you do not want to know? Right?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Oh, it's bad today, really bad. Not just my wife's
peakan bars. No, also not a euphemism. There were actually
pecan bars. All right, we'll play the game later. Yeah,
of course everything can be having an effect. Take your
palette while to settle down and settle in.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
No, I get what you're saying. I'm just saying that
the notes that you're experiencing so far are they're subtle.
They're not something that are, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Hitting you over the all right, all right, I'm misunderstand.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
And that's what I'm saying is if they're really, really subtle,
that maybe the coffee at this point is overpowering anything
that I would beginning from the cigar right off the line.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
No, I'm aware of them, kitten, I'm aware that they're
there for sure. Now are they big power things? No?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Is it subtle?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
No? I know that this is happening. I know that
that this is going on in my life from Rocky
Bottel the thirtieth anniversary. You want to get your notebooks out.
You always want to have a notebook, right, because you're
gonna put your notes in there. First of all, what'd
you eat today? What did you drink today?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Right? Those things matter?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
The weather right overcast here in Indianapolis, Indiana where we record.
Then break the cigar into thirds, first, third, second, third,
final third of the cigar. And then what do you getting, Like,
what are the flavors that you get out of that
you wanna you want to write those down.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
That's exactly what you want to do.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
You want to write down those flavors, as esoteric or
as simple as they are. And then the next time
you try the cigar, right, a month from now, six
months now, whatever it is, you do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You go back and check your notes.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You get an idea of your through line, what your
flavors are, what what you really thought of the cigar.
And until you're into the second third, you.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Don't know where you're at.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
You know, it just picked up for me, spice back
of the throat, Holy cow, boom right there as I
was talking to you.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Wow, I'm starting to get kind of that that wood
note that you're talking about. As I've put down my
coffee and.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
You want do a Palin cleanser. Do you want a
sorbet or a diet coke or a stort bait?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Do you do you have a kit cat bar? I
do a kick cat bar? Really? Because those those wafers
you had last week, two weeks ago? Uh, sugar free wafers. Yeah? No,
you had something right here. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure
you do have some right now because I was sugar
free wafer right now. I just expect, you know, when
I come to the Etrink Smoke Studios and contribute nothing,
(07:08):
that the the the wafer game would be a little
bit more on point than what.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Wait till you see our Oreo game. Wait till you
see I told you guys a couple of weeks ago,
we came across the story of Thanksgiving flavored Oreos, and
I'm holding in my hand a giant Oreo ten.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
That's one Oreo. No, that's a tin.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Inside are the oreos? And I am going to I
haven't tried them yet, We're gonna try them here on
the show, but I am going to take Oreo to
task o. Oreo, you are so much better than this,
so much better than this.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
You tried them already.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
No, I'll explain, Okay, I'll explain, coming up right there. Yeah,
I'll just put that right there. Let's I'm putting it
in the video shot just to see if we get sued.
I just want to know. I'm gonna put right next
to him, put a cigar right now on top of
the OREO ten and uh yeah, so okay, maybe not.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It's gonna fall just like a pen and teller act the.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Rocky Mattel thirtieth Anniversary? Is this in your humidor fingers
molloy for eighteen dollars.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
A stick, I're gonna have to get well into the
second third before I make that.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I think you don't have to get into the final
third to figure that one out.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I think this is gonna be the kind of cigar
that you got to give it the time that it needs.
You got to bring it all the way through to
see if you're there for eighteen dollars. From the look
so far, mean, it's pretty and I do like a
box press. But we will see what we will see
Thanksgiving around the corner. No, no, fingers figuratively all around
(08:51):
the corner. It's not like it's just around the corner.
And a couple of weeks ago, we came across the
story about Thanksgiving flavored oreos, right, yes, Te Drink Smoke Calm,
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(09:12):
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Speaker 2 (09:21):
Now if I remember correctly, was there a green bean
casserole cookie? No? Oh, because I'm just gonna save that
one for you.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
There there was a series of flavors that they they
they had in there, right, a series of flavors that
are available in the Collector ten, which I have in
my little hands right here. It's a twelve count. That
means there are twelve in there. Twelve in here.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
In the Specialty ten.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
There's turkey and gravy, sweet potato cream, corn, apple, caramel pie,
pumpkin pie, and craanberry sauce.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You're regretting this already, aren't you. I'm regretting the fact
that you had to go ahead and spend how much
on it for twelve cookies.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
So I bought this this little holiday box thing right here,
and I spent forty four dollars ninety nine cents.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Good lord, now that's all. Let me do the math
carry the two. That's a lot of money per cookie.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It's about four dollars an Oreo.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
That's what that is.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Let me start by saying the tin itself is lovely,
except it's thin. It doesn't feel quality Oreo.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
And then let me say it came in a box,
a nondescript cardboard box with nothing that says, hey, thanks
for ordering from Oreo. Hey, here's a discount when you'll
get when you go to the store. Here's a dollar
off an Oreo package. Hey, don't forget to buy our merch.
It's no thought, no more caring was put into the
(11:02):
packaging to make me a guy who wants to buy
more from Oreos.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
But it was clearly wrapped in an Oreo T shirt.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
It was not wrapped in an Oreo anything it was.
It is the most miss of marketing. It's like no
one ever knew the story of Zappos. The most miss
marketing opportunity. Ever it was, it was this inside. I
think it was some plastic. Wow this tin. Now you
(11:30):
open up this tin and and you have some of this,
uh the crinkle cut paper right here. Just just that's
what You've got, some crinkle cut paper. Maybe they put
that in there just to keep the oreos safe. And
inside are the oreos. They are individually wrapped. Some say
(11:53):
Happy Thanksgiving, some say give thanks, some say a whole
host of things. And there got these little uh there,
you take that one right there.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
What I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I don't not know if that's the flavor of it.
It doesn't also tell me what flavors they are. You
don't know what the flavors are. There's nothing that tells
you what it is you just got. So now you're
guessing fingers malloy. Everything here is guesswork.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
This is ridiculous. By the way. It looks like a
really nice hand soap that you can get at Target.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Absolutely absolutely, you know they used to put these in
the urinals at camp. I don't know what I was
supposed to do with this, but I've got I got
it from the same pile you did. Is there a
little piece on the bottom in here. There's not nothing's numbered,
nothing's lettered. It's it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Oreo. I swear to you.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
We've done this show for over six years. I have
never set anybody on fire. Ever, We've joked about people.
We've had disagreements usually you know, we're we're lovers and
just we want to be supportive. The worst marketing in
the world, the worst marketing I have ever seen.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You know that I get a third of my food
from a vending machine.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Right that could be a lot of oreos.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Oreo, you broke my heart. You broke my heart.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
That's what happened.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
That is what happened.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
But are you are We're gonna We're gonna do this.
Let's see how easy this.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Is to open.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Nope, nope, nope.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
What is god? Okay, clearly, clearly what's happening here? By
the way, I I do carry a hinder or knife.
Do you need this? Oh no, I used my raw brutal.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Wait hold on, it is oh stop.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Oh my gosh, we're dumb. Have you what? No? Is
there a pumpkin pine? No?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
No, no, I'm telling you this is on a bunch
of them.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
You don't know what's what right, okay.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So here's why I'm done. There is a description on
the back. There's a little bit of information on the
back of the plastic. It says what it contains. It
says it's distributed by and then it says contains a
bioengineered food ingredient.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
This is getting worse. Oreo worse.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Buy.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Oh you don't care about the bioengineered, do you?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Okay, you you really care about that. I mean, listen,
I'm looking at it this way. Mine says it contains
wheat soy and milk soy. Great, I'm already a beat cup.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It smells like chocolate, smells like an oreo. Yes, you
want to go first? You want me to go first.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I'll go first. You go first. Is this is this edible? Yes,
of course it's otible.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
No, the little oh, the thing is yeah, the thing
this is happy Thanksgiving or others say give thanks.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yes, acceedible.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
So these are the oreos we purchased that are supposed
to be Thanksgiving flavored of all different kinds of Thanksgiving flavors. Uh,
the turkey and gravy or the sweet potato or the
cream corn, the apple caramel pie, the pumpkin pie and
the cranberry sauce.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
What's so? Whoa, what's the matter. Oh it's good. What
does it taste like? I couldn't tell you. I couldn't
tell you. Honestly. It's white chocolate. There's orange sprinkles on it. Right,
Just what it tastes like to me. I'm doing it right, Okay,
I'm gonna do it right over my ash check. Good
for you. So he's going in ladies and gentlemen, he's
(15:38):
doing the I don't know what he's doing. But do
you get You're like, oh, that's turkey and gravy. No idea,
there's no talk to me. You what are you getting?
Because I'm telling you it was like white chocolate covered
(16:00):
oreo with sprinkles. That's what it tastes like to me.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I don't know what's happening. I have no idea what's
going on. I'm towley, I have no idea. What's going on.
M I'm gonna try a different one. I'm gonna try
different one.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Had mmm, you know, just tastes like scam.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I can't open this one either.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Listen, it's good. I don't have a problem with it.
It's not forty four dollars for twelve good of course
not Ooh, it's like a pepper hit. That's all right,
now you're now you're just ridiculous. Well, is there a
Is there an Oreo that one of these these cookie
(16:45):
meals that would have a pepper dish in it? Are
you getting anything? Does that one even taste different?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Nope? If it's if it tastes different, it's my newt.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
By the way, I'm not sure that's edible, my friend, that's.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Sotuly edible, too light.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I already ate it.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Wow, Oreo, you can't sell people this disappointment? Are you
out of your minds? We're gonna we're gonna go over
more of this. We're gonna we're gonna try every single
one of them, eat, drink smoking. Is your cigar bourbon
foody extravaganza. I'm Tony Katz. That's Fingers Bloy, and I
(17:30):
figured out the story with the Oreos.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Go on Fingers.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
It's very possible I'm going to say things that I regret,
and it's possible we're going to get sued. Okay, I
want to save for the record that Oreo sends what
I ordered. I also want to say for the record
that I cannot be the only one who misinterpreted what
was happening and says to Oreo, never again, we are
(17:59):
smoking the Rocky tell the thirtieth This with the Mexican
San Andreas Rapper. This, uh, these binders that have been
aged for seven years, the fillers I believe aged for
five years. The filler is on durned Nicaraguin.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
It's a double binder from Nicaragua and the binder seven
years Mexican San Andreas Rapper. I'm gonna hold off on
that just for a moment. I'm gonna get back to that.
But I have to address this Oreo thing. I'm I
feel like I was taken. Maybe it's my fault. I'm
willing to accept that it's my fault.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But oh no.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
We read a story from the USA today about how
Oreo is putting out Thanksgiving inspired cookies. I then clicked
on oreo dot com and came to see the Oreo
Thanksgiving cookie tin twelve count forty four dollars and ninety
nine cents.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I ordered it right there, and then the Thanksgiving cookie
tin is regular.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Oreos that have Thanksgiving themes.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Okay, that's all that is if I.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
By the way, they're now selling another one that's only
nineteen ninety nine. It's right there on the website. There's
the forty four dollars and ninety nine cent one, and
then there's the nineteen ninety nine one, and right next
to it there is the Oreo Thanksgiving Caramel apple Pie
Oreos for fourteen dollars and ninety nine cents. You had
(19:31):
to order each one of those individually. It wasn't the tin,
the Thanksgiving tin in a conversation about Thanksgiving cookies, isn't
the Thanksgiving flavored Oreos? So did they send me the
right thing, the thing that I ordered? The answer is yes,
Oreo did that? Is that duplicitous? You're not getting another
(19:52):
order from me?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Guys. You could argue that it's my fault.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I accept that I ordered it, but oh my gosh,
I was expecting this thing forty four dollars and nineteen
cents when I could have ordered the same thing for
twenty dollars. I don't understand it. And then it's right there.
It's the first thing if I go to Oreo dot com.
(20:17):
If I head over to Oreo dot com, it was
the first thing on there that I had seen, right,
I want the by the way, if you get if
you get the Oreo Holiday cookie tin, it's forty four
ninety nine, then there's another one that's thirty one to
nineteen thirty one dollars and nineteen cents, and you go
on down the line. It might be a little too
late for the Thanksgiving one.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Day, they have Christmas. Now for the holiday ten it's
now they're Christmas cookies. I'm still trying to get information
as far as a description of what the cookie actually is,
wrapped the Christmas cookies, wrapped chocolate dipped cookies in a
metal gifting tin. That's white chocolate, is it not? I
(20:58):
mean to get is white chocolate?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
By the way, Uh, well it says it says individually
wrapped chocolate tip cookies. I I will accept any responsibility.
It's one hundred percent on me. I am saying that
as a consumer, as the person who would be like,
oh maybe an Oreo. Nah, I could be totally wrong.
(21:21):
I could have just said, you know what, I screwed
up on the order. It was the Thanksgiving cookie tin.
From an article at USA Today that talks about Thanksgiving
flavored cookies. What exactly is a guy supposed to do
except say here's my money?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Right, I will say this too, even if you say, okay,
my bad, full responsibility, there's no way. How how do
you sleep at night? Forty five dollars for this insane
for twelve cookies.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
The only thing they could have done more to insult
me is asking for a tip, like that's the only
way twelve oreos individually wrapped that you need a knife
to open. Wow.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
And then you get this tin that you can keep
to put, you know, your your pocket change in, and
you know, and we're not even making pennies anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
And Oreo, just so we're clear, I would have rather
had a double stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
The double stuffould be better. That's that's actually eighty dollars.
Oh wow, because it's double because it's double. Wow? Is
that that? So?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Now? I ask you? Am I frustrated at myself? Am
I frustrated with Oreo? Or is the answer?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I'm willing to go with yes it is. Yes, it's yes.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I didn't read it well enough, but it said the
Oreo Thanksgiving to cookie tin and then it says twelve
count classic Oreo flavor, and I saw Thanksgiving cooking tin,
and I said take my money, because you had it
in your head that I was getting the Thanksgiving thing. Yep,
so that's what happened there. That's totally on me. You see, kids,
that's called taking responsibility. Then I saw what you sent,
(23:07):
and you're gonna really charge people forty four dollars and
ninety nine cents for this, And then.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
On top of it, you made Tony eat paper.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
No, no, no, the paper is edible. That that's edible
right there. See, that's that's made out of sugar and love.
By the way, I now spent forty four dollars and
ninety nine cents to get diabetes. That's basically what happened there.
Oh am, I frustrated.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Did you see the asterisk on the bottom. Don't eat
the paper on that? That doesn't say that. Okay, no
way is to say that. Listen, you have every right
to be frustrated.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You want to take this home to the kids?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
No, you know you spent so much money on this,
take half of them home.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I tried one. I tried too, right, So so my
kids are.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Gonna get like half an ore. I'm gonna be like
Merry Christmas.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Dad. We're Jewish here you go. There are.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Deals right now where you can at I think Walmart
for a family of four, you can order Thanksgiving dinner
and it would cost less than this Oreo ten rankies
exactly Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Let me also say if they want to charge forty
four dollars and ninety nine cents for this, they can.
People decided to buy it. I knew it was expensive
when I did it. I want to try it for
the kitch, for the show. I feel like I let
everybody down.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Oh, don't do that, but I know, don't do that.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
But I swear to you.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Tell me I'm not.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I'm not. I don't I get some solace in that.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
That's screwed up. Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
That's screwed up.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I'm curious, and I'm going to get.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
The caveat after Buyer Beware, It's on me.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I'm going to get the folks at the fingers Bowing
Institute of Institutes for institut huts UH to do a survey.
Does Oreo have the kind of collectibility following the rabbit
Oreo fans? I'm not as much as Coca Cola, But
are people running around wanting to collect Oreo memorabilia. Is
(25:17):
this a thing? Oh my gosh, I gotta get it.
They've got a cool Oreo tin. I need that is.
Are people into Oreo that much? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I mean they collect Coca cola stuff that's still in
some places. They people collect everything, and I gottamit. The
tin's cute. The tin I think should be made of
a higher quality. But the tin is cute. And I'm
not anti Oreo. Oreos are delicious.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I'm not saying no. The only thing you're collecting with
that is uh, debt, debt and a high blood bludge.
This is wow as a thing.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
So yeah, it is. But I don't think uh uh
the I don't think this.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Is gonna be a collectible.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I don't think this is gonna be like an Oreo
collectible of this tink.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
The other thing that bothers me and I know we're
maybe beating a dead horse here. It's a bit late
for that. How that tin is so chintzy.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, I don't think we've ever beat up on a
product this bad before. By the way, if if I
squeeze it, i'll fold, it'll it'll crush.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, it'll look like you're from the planet Krypton.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Which is not true. It is not true. I'm here legally.
What Superman came to the country illegally? He didn't stop
at the space border.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Do you really know that? I've read all the research.
Let me chat GPT.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I tried, guys, I tried for you. I would get
I would try again in order the right ones, but
I can't afford that.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So smoking the Rocky Patel thirtieth anniversary nice stick. Is
it worth the seventeen dollars and fifty cents? Well, I
mean that's really a matter of opinion. Is it in
our humid art seventeen dollars and fifty cents? Well, we
haven't figured that out yet. To teat, drink smoke, I'm
Tony Katz. That's a fingers. We're putting the Oreo Travesty
Nightmare behind us. Orio Gate. Oreo Gate, Yes, Oreo Gate
(27:38):
is completely behind us. Mistakes were made on both parts.
Just moving on, Oh, mortified and.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Still yet angered. You know what, if mistakes are to
be made, may they always include sprinkles. You are a poet.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Thank you, you truly, you truly have a way with words.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Sprinkles.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
It's a nice cigar. We're in the first third of
this cigar, and really, you know, I talked about it
being tobacco forward at the first I still think that
that's accurate. There is a nice richness with that tobacco,
though that little bit of wood spice is very much
in the subdued spot right now. And maybe a little
more coco is coming from this now. That could be
(28:27):
the oreo talking, but I think it is the cigar
talking right here.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I really want to get into the second third.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
And really see where this cigar goes and where it
builds from the Rocky Hotel thirtieth is what we're smoking
with that San Andreas rapper and that seven year double binder,
so that's they're pretty proud of that, that Nicaraguan binder there.
So we'll see where the cigar goes. But great hand feel,
love the box press.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
And the draw is fantastic, absolutely, and I agree with
you about the richness that being tobacco forward. I'm getting
some there's a nice cedar note there, but I'm not
getting any kind of sweetness off the stick, either from
a cocoa or a coffee or a cream or anything
like that, and I'm not getting any spice out of
(29:13):
this so far. I'm going to be interested to see
as I move into the second third if some spice
picks up for me.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
But fingers, we missed it before because oreogate, it's time
for news of the.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Week Tony retailer. The retailer Walmart said it expects full
year net sales to climb between five percent around five percent,
which is actually higher than it first expected. Boy, I'm
totally slaughtering this. Yeah, abusing it. I gotta be honest
(29:46):
with you. It's the sprinkles I get you anyway. People
either on Wall Street, you ask them, you ask the
folks that are running Walmart. They're very, very thrilled with
the numbers so far from the third quarter, and they're
anticipating higher than expected sales over the Christmas holidays.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Now people are gonna say, see, the economy is getting better.
I want it to get better. Let me tell you,
let me sound the alarm bell right now. I don't
like what I'm seeing at all. I do not like
what I am seeing anywhere in the slightest I don't
see the.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Interest rate cut coming.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I see where the market was looking at groups like
Nvidia and those who make the chips for AI and
saying oh, everything's fine, and then no, not so much.
You take a look at the job's numbers that just
came out. They're the September jobs numbers. They only came
out now because of the government shutdown, and no one
seems to be moved by them or care about them,
(30:43):
even though it shows more jobs in September than we
thought by more than double one hundred and nineteen thousand's
opposed to the fifty thousand dollars estimate, but unemployment went
up to four point four percent. I'm looking at the
creative destruction is the wrong word?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Follow me here.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Spins and AI have been massive to the tunes of
trillions of dollars, and now companies want to see if
they could utilize the AI to reduce their costs. So
you're going to see a lot of people be cutting
from their cut from their jobs. Verizon just cut what
was it, seventeen thousand, and Amazon you have ups. I'm
hearing some other major tech groups are going to be
(31:22):
doing some serious cutting in the coming days and weeks.
Walmart has been a defact a default setting for people
because that's where things are more affordable, so their sales
being up. I mean, I'm happy to see it, but
it isn't necessarily the sign of a good sign. I
don't like anything I'm seeing from this economy.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
It makes me. I hate it. It makes you feel
like consumers are making a choice, and the choice is
to try to get you know, their their costs down,
whether it's either Christmas gifts, holiday gifts coming up, or
you know, just food and clothing in general. They're turning
to Walmart because things have gotten so expensive.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
And so theres a move from the White House. They're
eliminating tariffs on beef and coffee and a couple other
staple things because they recognize the tariffs are taxes. They
also say in the same breath that the tariffs are
the reasons we've been able to engage so many deals
and investment into the US trillions of dollars. The problem
(32:19):
is it's not actualized yet. It's all in the ether.
We haven't seen the money come in to the point
where a shovel goes into the ground and something is
created or made or invested. So until we see that,
we don't really know. What we have is a lot
of hope that it's going to be the case. So
(32:39):
you have in its political you have the Republicans saying
that the greatness of this economy is on its way
and the inflation never really exploded the way people said
it would because of tariffs, which is absolutely true. By
the way, you have the Democrat saying, yeah, but you
said that you were going to lower prices, and the
(33:00):
prices are still high on this, prices are still high
on that, and people are having trouble with this, and
now people more people are buying at Walmart. And then
the Republicans say, well, egg prices are down and they
were massively high, and energy prices are down because gas
prices are down there at the same level they were
right before covid uh.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
And then the Democrats are going to say, but.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
You promised lower prices and you didn't bring it, and
now people have a worse quality of life. So that
political fight continues. If AI is the reason that companies
start to shed employees, what am I supposed to say
to that in terms of who's to blame.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Because it's very possible no one's to blame.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
This is just one of those cycles that comes when
there's innovation and the innovation and case engages replacements and
changes in workforces.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, because you can't block AI's progress. I don't think so.
It's impossible, because you're gonna have other countries continue to
invest in AI. Use AI your AI right now exactly,
and you need to unplug me and plug me back in.
Having said that, though, it's what's interesting is you mentioned
these conflicting economic numbers, and now there's talk because of
(34:15):
the jobs numbers, while they weren't fantastic, they were better
than expected in September. Now there's talk that the Fed
may quite possibly not cut rates in December because of
this information, and like you mentioned earlier, we may not
get an October jobs report, it.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
May not come out.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Has there been an explaint? Is it all based on
all basic shutdown? Everything's based on the shutdown? Why those
numbers haven't come out? And also you can argue that
the markets have kind of already baked it in.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
All right.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
We didn't get the numbers, but we kind of figured
it out, all right, we saw what's happening. And then
there's the argument that's made by economists. I do a
lot of talking with them on my on my other shows,
that maybe this is good because we always are looking
at what the government puts out as the numbers, which
we're looking at howusinesses are doing, how they're thriving, how
manufacturing is going, and take a look at businesses and
make a decision on what's happening. But if you don't
(35:06):
get the rate cut, which means you don't have a
full one percent cut of the interest rate, of that
of that lending rate, then then the market says, well, wait,
you promised this a one percent cut, so you might
see a reduction in the market there.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
So there's.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
You could have a very different scenario next September. Things
could be humming and crazy. And now the investment has
started happening, and therefore jobs started happening, and construction jobs
and manufacturing jobs and other things. It's possible, and people,
a lot of faith. Kids take you a long way,
but it ain't there now, and right now it ain't great.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
And I'll tell you something else. Right, the interest rates
need to be cut further because I'm planning on refinancing
in February. So you do people hear me calls, Call
your call, your congressman, call your senator, call Droome, pal
Rome put pressure on the FED because Fingers needs to
(36:09):
refinance his mortgage in February. No, I it's this whole shutdown,
the you know, the the aftermath of this. It's really
interesting how it's played games not only on you know,
jobs reports and what the Fed's gonna do, but also
how long was that the continue this this the cr
(36:30):
CR how long?
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Oh that's gonna run through January? I swear now you
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Rocky Platel. He's got a lot of scars. I mean,
he's got an insane number of cigars. It is a
ridiculous number of cigars. We haven't done too many of
them on the show. It's nothing against Rocky. We've interviewed
Rocky before. He's a nice guy, and this is the
thirtieth anniversary. It's he drink smoke. I'm Tony Katz and
that is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers maloy. I got
(00:27):
to admit it's pretty as a picture. The band with
a traditional RP on it, Rocky Motel in the cursive
in the back, in the black, and this rapper, which
is a Mexican San Andreas, is as close to a scurrow,
you know. This is a deep deep maduro rapper here.
Although it's a Mexican San Andreas.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm just talking about the.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Look right there, how it looks. It is just dark
and delicious looking and a beautiful, harder edged box press
for this toro right here, because that's what we are smoking,
the Rocky Battel thirtieth anniversary Toro, which comes in six
and a half by fifty two, which means it's six
and one half inches long.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Tea always makes fingers well.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I laugh, and the ring gauge is the fifty two
that's a diameter of the cigar, or how thick it
is around again with the laughter, So a sixty four
ring gauge would be a full one inch around. I'm
just lighting mine. Fingers is always like, why don't you
like before we start the show, and I'm always reminding him,
you're not the bossom me. You know what I have
to say something.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'm a strong independent woman. I don't need no man.
Are you okay? You seem a little sassy today.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I just did I mention the strong independent woman part.
I'm solid. I am good. It has been a week,
it has been a.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Thing, but this looks quite all right.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Admittedly we haven't done too many Rocky btels in the
course of the program. I am still so the Rocky
Hotel Cameroon. I'm very partial too, and the Rocky Hotel
going old School, the Rocky Hotel nineteen ninety, which was
a ninety two rating on Cigar Aficionado. I would still
smoke that any day of the week. Like that cigar
(02:07):
has always worked for me. This one, I don't know,
because it's newer, and what I know about it is
that you've got Nicaraguan binder hundurna Nicaraguan filler. But the binder,
you're talking about seven year tobacco in this, and I
want to see if I really feel get to taste
flavor of what that age is. You're on this fingers,
(02:29):
you're into the first third. What do you got?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, first of all, I have to say that the
stick itself is beefy. For yeah, we've got some f Yeah.
I was really surprised when you said that the ring
gage is fifty two. I thought it was actually smaller.
But maybe it's just my hand I've been working out.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, so maybe it could be that and model future,
Oh that's the dream. Having said that, I'm not getting
much right away off of the stick, I'm not getting
a lot of spice, not getting any like you know,
coffee or chocolate notes at this point, there's an kind
(03:07):
of like richness to it. But other other than that,
not a whole heck of a lot. But we, like
you said, we just lit this. I lit this like
two minutes ago, so that is.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
A very rich tobacco right off the light because I
just lit mine up very very rich. You're right, there
isn't much of a spice, but there is a little
wood tingle going on on the tongue there. I would
argue that there's the tobacco part could be seen as
almost a cocoa We're not talking about a milk chocolate,
(03:38):
dark chocolate bitterness or anything like that. But there's like this,
this this little bit of of earthen cocoa sweet with
this little bit of of wood feel, cedar feel there
throughout the tongue. But it's tobacco. It's a rich tobacco forward.
That was a very very nice, right off the light flavor.
(04:03):
Give me that all day and I could do that absolutely.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I will say this, these notes that you're referring to,
I have been pounding coffee today, and if these are
would you say that it's not a euphemism? Is it? No,
it's it's not. I'm actually drinking let's say, four or
five cups of coffee today. I feel like one hundred dollars.
Thank you. I appreciate that these notes that you're talking about.
(04:28):
Are they subtle enough at this point? Do you think
that maybe I'm not getting any of that because my
palette has been overpowered by the coffee.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I think it's possible that you don't even know where
your palette is yet. You've had a whole day of
doing things locally knows what you've eaten today?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Dwell, you do not want to know? Right?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Oh, it's bad today, really bad. Not just my wife's
peakan bars. No, also not a euphemism. There were actually
pecan bars. All right, we'll play the game later. Yeah,
of course everything can be having an effect. Take your
palette while to settle down and settle in.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
No, I get what you're saying. I'm just saying that
the notes that you're experiencing so far are they're subtle.
They're not something that are, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Hitting you over the all right, all right, I'm misunderstand.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
And that's what I'm saying is if they're really, really subtle,
that maybe the coffee at this point is overpowering anything
that I would beginning from the cigar right off the line.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
No, I'm aware of them, kitten, I'm aware that they're
there for sure. Now are they big power things? No?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Is it subtle?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
No? I know that this is happening. I know that
that this is going on in my life from Rocky
Bottel the thirtieth anniversary. You want to get your notebooks out.
You always want to have a notebook, right, because you're
gonna put your notes in there. First of all, what'd
you eat today? What did you drink today?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Right? Those things matter?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
The weather right overcast here in Indianapolis, Indiana where we record.
Then break the cigar into thirds, first, third, second, third,
final third of the cigar. And then what do you getting, Like,
what are the flavors that you get out of that
you wanna you want to write those down.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
That's exactly what you want to do.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
You want to write down those flavors, as esoteric or
as simple as they are. And then the next time
you try the cigar, right, a month from now, six
months now, whatever it is, you do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You go back and check your notes.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
You get an idea of your through line, what your
flavors are, what what you really thought of the cigar.
And until you're into the second third, you.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Don't know where you're at.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
You know, it just picked up for me, spice back
of the throat, Holy cow, boom right there as I
was talking to you.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Wow, I'm starting to get kind of that that wood
note that you're talking about. As I've put down my
coffee and.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
You want do a Palin cleanser. Do you want a
sorbet or a diet coke or a stort bait?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Do you do you have a kit cat bar? I
do a kick cat bar? Really? Because those those wafers
you had last week, two weeks ago? Uh, sugar free wafers. Yeah? No,
you had something right here. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure
you do have some right now because I was sugar
free wafer right now. I just expect, you know, when
I come to the Etrink Smoke Studios and contribute nothing,
(07:08):
that the the the wafer game would be a little
bit more on point than what.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Wait till you see our Oreo game. Wait till you
see I told you guys a couple of weeks ago,
we came across the story of Thanksgiving flavored Oreos, and
I'm holding in my hand a giant Oreo ten.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
That's one Oreo. No, that's a tin.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Inside are the oreos? And I am going to I
haven't tried them yet, We're gonna try them here on
the show, but I am going to take Oreo to
task o. Oreo, you are so much better than this,
so much better than this.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
You tried them already.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
No, I'll explain, Okay, I'll explain, coming up right there. Yeah,
I'll just put that right there. Let's I'm putting it
in the video shot just to see if we get sued.
I just want to know. I'm gonna put right next
to him, put a cigar right now on top of
the OREO ten and uh yeah, so okay, maybe not.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It's gonna fall just like a pen and teller act the.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Rocky Mattel thirtieth Anniversary? Is this in your humidor fingers
molloy for eighteen dollars.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
A stick, I're gonna have to get well into the
second third before I make that.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I think you don't have to get into the final
third to figure that one out.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I think this is gonna be the kind of cigar
that you got to give it the time that it needs.
You got to bring it all the way through to
see if you're there for eighteen dollars. From the look
so far, mean, it's pretty and I do like a
box press. But we will see what we will see
Thanksgiving around the corner. No, no, fingers figuratively all around
(08:51):
the corner. It's not like it's just around the corner.
And a couple of weeks ago, we came across the
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Speaker 2 (09:21):
Now if I remember correctly, was there a green bean
casserole cookie? No? Oh, because I'm just gonna save that
one for you.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
There there was a series of flavors that they they
they had in there, right, a series of flavors that
are available in the Collector ten, which I have in
my little hands right here. It's a twelve count. That
means there are twelve in there. Twelve in here.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
In the Specialty ten.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
There's turkey and gravy, sweet potato cream, corn, apple, caramel pie,
pumpkin pie, and craanberry sauce.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You're regretting this already, aren't you. I'm regretting the fact
that you had to go ahead and spend how much
on it for twelve cookies.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
So I bought this this little holiday box thing right here,
and I spent forty four dollars ninety nine cents.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Good lord, now that's all. Let me do the math
carry the two. That's a lot of money per cookie.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It's about four dollars an Oreo.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
That's what that is.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Let me start by saying the tin itself is lovely,
except it's thin. It doesn't feel quality Oreo.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
And then let me say it came in a box,
a nondescript cardboard box with nothing that says, hey, thanks
for ordering from Oreo. Hey, here's a discount when you'll
get when you go to the store. Here's a dollar
off an Oreo package. Hey, don't forget to buy our merch.
It's no thought, no more caring was put into the
(11:02):
packaging to make me a guy who wants to buy
more from Oreos.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
But it was clearly wrapped in an Oreo T shirt.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
It was not wrapped in an Oreo anything it was.
It is the most miss of marketing. It's like no
one ever knew the story of Zappos. The most miss
marketing opportunity. Ever it was, it was this inside. I
think it was some plastic. Wow this tin. Now you
(11:30):
open up this tin and and you have some of this,
uh the crinkle cut paper right here. Just just that's
what You've got, some crinkle cut paper. Maybe they put
that in there just to keep the oreos safe. And
inside are the oreos. They are individually wrapped. Some say
(11:53):
Happy Thanksgiving, some say give thanks, some say a whole
host of things. And there got these little uh there,
you take that one right there.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
What I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I don't not know if that's the flavor of it.
It doesn't also tell me what flavors they are. You
don't know what the flavors are. There's nothing that tells
you what it is you just got. So now you're
guessing fingers malloy. Everything here is guesswork.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
This is ridiculous. By the way. It looks like a
really nice hand soap that you can get at Target.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Absolutely absolutely, you know they used to put these in
the urinals at camp. I don't know what I was
supposed to do with this, but I've got I got
it from the same pile you did. Is there a
little piece on the bottom in here. There's not nothing's numbered,
nothing's lettered. It's it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Oreo. I swear to you.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
We've done this show for over six years. I have
never set anybody on fire. Ever, We've joked about people.
We've had disagreements usually you know, we're we're lovers and
just we want to be supportive. The worst marketing in
the world, the worst marketing I have ever seen.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
You know that I get a third of my food
from a vending machine.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Right that could be a lot of oreos.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Oreo, you broke my heart. You broke my heart.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
That's what happened.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
That is what happened.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
But are you are We're gonna We're gonna do this.
Let's see how easy this.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Is to open.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Nope, nope, nope.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
What is god? Okay, clearly, clearly what's happening here? By
the way, I I do carry a hinder or knife.
Do you need this? Oh no, I used my raw brutal.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Wait hold on, it is oh stop.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Oh my gosh, we're dumb. Have you what? No? Is
there a pumpkin pine? No?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
No, no, I'm telling you this is on a bunch
of them.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
You don't know what's what right, okay.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So here's why I'm done. There is a description on
the back. There's a little bit of information on the
back of the plastic. It says what it contains. It
says it's distributed by and then it says contains a
bioengineered food ingredient.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
This is getting worse. Oreo worse.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Buy.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Oh you don't care about the bioengineered, do you?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Okay, you you really care about that. I mean, listen,
I'm looking at it this way. Mine says it contains
wheat soy and milk soy. Great, I'm already a beat cup.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It smells like chocolate, smells like an oreo. Yes, you
want to go first? You want me to go first.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I'll go first. You go first. Is this is this edible? Yes,
of course it's otible.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
No, the little oh, the thing is yeah, the thing
this is happy Thanksgiving or others say give thanks.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yes, acceedible.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
So these are the oreos we purchased that are supposed
to be Thanksgiving flavored of all different kinds of Thanksgiving flavors. Uh,
the turkey and gravy or the sweet potato or the
cream corn, the apple caramel pie, the pumpkin pie and
the cranberry sauce.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
What's so? Whoa, what's the matter. Oh it's good. What
does it taste like? I couldn't tell you. I couldn't
tell you. Honestly. It's white chocolate. There's orange sprinkles on it. Right,
Just what it tastes like to me. I'm doing it right, Okay,
I'm gonna do it right over my ash check. Good
for you. So he's going in ladies and gentlemen, he's
(15:38):
doing the I don't know what he's doing. But do
you get You're like, oh, that's turkey and gravy. No idea,
there's no talk to me. You what are you getting?
Because I'm telling you it was like white chocolate covered
(16:00):
oreo with sprinkles. That's what it tastes like to me.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I don't know what's happening. I have no idea what's
going on. I'm towley, I have no idea. What's going on.
M I'm gonna try a different one. I'm gonna try
different one.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Had mmm, you know, just tastes like scam.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I can't open this one either.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Listen, it's good. I don't have a problem with it.
It's not forty four dollars for twelve good of course
not Ooh, it's like a pepper hit. That's all right,
now you're now you're just ridiculous. Well, is there a
Is there an Oreo that one of these these cookie
(16:45):
meals that would have a pepper dish in it? Are
you getting anything? Does that one even taste different?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Nope? If it's if it tastes different, it's my newt.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
By the way, I'm not sure that's edible, my friend, that's.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Sotuly edible, too light.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I already ate it.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Wow, Oreo, you can't sell people this disappointment? Are you
out of your minds? We're gonna we're gonna go over
more of this. We're gonna we're gonna try every single
one of them, eat, drink smoking. Is your cigar bourbon
foody extravaganza. I'm Tony Katz. That's Fingers Bloy, and I
(17:30):
figured out the story with the Oreos.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Go on Fingers.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
It's very possible I'm going to say things that I regret,
and it's possible we're going to get sued. Okay, I
want to save for the record that Oreo sends what
I ordered. I also want to say for the record
that I cannot be the only one who misinterpreted what
was happening and says to Oreo, never again, we are
(17:59):
smoking the Rocky tell the thirtieth This with the Mexican
San Andreas Rapper. This, uh, these binders that have been
aged for seven years, the fillers I believe aged for
five years. The filler is on durned Nicaraguin.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
It's a double binder from Nicaragua and the binder seven
years Mexican San Andreas Rapper. I'm gonna hold off on
that just for a moment. I'm gonna get back to that.
But I have to address this Oreo thing. I'm I
feel like I was taken. Maybe it's my fault. I'm
willing to accept that it's my fault.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But oh no.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
We read a story from the USA today about how
Oreo is putting out Thanksgiving inspired cookies. I then clicked
on oreo dot com and came to see the Oreo
Thanksgiving cookie tin twelve count forty four dollars and ninety
nine cents.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I ordered it right there, and then the Thanksgiving cookie
tin is regular.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Oreos that have Thanksgiving themes.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Okay, that's all that is if I.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
By the way, they're now selling another one that's only
nineteen ninety nine. It's right there on the website. There's
the forty four dollars and ninety nine cent one, and
then there's the nineteen ninety nine one, and right next
to it there is the Oreo Thanksgiving Caramel apple Pie
Oreos for fourteen dollars and ninety nine cents. You had
(19:31):
to order each one of those individually. It wasn't the tin,
the Thanksgiving tin in a conversation about Thanksgiving cookies, isn't
the Thanksgiving flavored Oreos? So did they send me the
right thing, the thing that I ordered? The answer is yes,
Oreo did that? Is that duplicitous? You're not getting another
(19:52):
order from me?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Guys. You could argue that it's my fault.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I accept that I ordered it, but oh my gosh,
I was expecting this thing forty four dollars and nineteen
cents when I could have ordered the same thing for
twenty dollars. I don't understand it. And then it's right there.
It's the first thing if I go to Oreo dot com.
(20:17):
If I head over to Oreo dot com, it was
the first thing on there that I had seen, right,
I want the by the way, if you get if
you get the Oreo Holiday cookie tin, it's forty four
ninety nine, then there's another one that's thirty one to
nineteen thirty one dollars and nineteen cents, and you go
on down the line. It might be a little too
late for the Thanksgiving one.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Day, they have Christmas. Now for the holiday ten it's
now they're Christmas cookies. I'm still trying to get information
as far as a description of what the cookie actually is,
wrapped the Christmas cookies, wrapped chocolate dipped cookies in a
metal gifting tin. That's white chocolate, is it not? I
(20:58):
mean to get is white chocolate?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
By the way, Uh, well it says it says individually
wrapped chocolate tip cookies. I I will accept any responsibility.
It's one hundred percent on me. I am saying that
as a consumer, as the person who would be like,
oh maybe an Oreo. Nah, I could be totally wrong.
(21:21):
I could have just said, you know what, I screwed
up on the order. It was the Thanksgiving cookie tin.
From an article at USA Today that talks about Thanksgiving
flavored cookies. What exactly is a guy supposed to do
except say here's my money?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Right, I will say this too, even if you say, okay,
my bad, full responsibility, there's no way. How how do
you sleep at night? Forty five dollars for this insane
for twelve cookies.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
The only thing they could have done more to insult
me is asking for a tip, like that's the only
way twelve oreos individually wrapped that you need a knife
to open. Wow.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
And then you get this tin that you can keep
to put, you know, your your pocket change in, and
you know, and we're not even making pennies anymore.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
And Oreo, just so we're clear, I would have rather
had a double stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
The double stuffould be better. That's that's actually eighty dollars.
Oh wow, because it's double because it's double. Wow? Is
that that? So?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Now? I ask you? Am I frustrated at myself? Am
I frustrated with Oreo? Or is the answer?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I'm willing to go with yes it is. Yes, it's yes.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I didn't read it well enough, but it said the
Oreo Thanksgiving to cookie tin and then it says twelve
count classic Oreo flavor, and I saw Thanksgiving cooking tin,
and I said take my money, because you had it
in your head that I was getting the Thanksgiving thing. Yep,
so that's what happened there. That's totally on me. You see, kids,
that's called taking responsibility. Then I saw what you sent,
(23:07):
and you're gonna really charge people forty four dollars and
ninety nine cents for this, And then.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
On top of it, you made Tony eat paper.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
No, no, no, the paper is edible. That that's edible
right there. See, that's that's made out of sugar and love.
By the way, I now spent forty four dollars and
ninety nine cents to get diabetes. That's basically what happened there.
Oh am, I frustrated.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Did you see the asterisk on the bottom. Don't eat
the paper on that? That doesn't say that. Okay, no
way is to say that. Listen, you have every right
to be frustrated.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
You want to take this home to the kids?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
No, you know you spent so much money on this,
take half of them home.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I tried one. I tried too, right, So so my
kids are.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Gonna get like half an ore. I'm gonna be like
Merry Christmas.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Dad. We're Jewish here you go. There are.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Deals right now where you can at I think Walmart
for a family of four, you can order Thanksgiving dinner
and it would cost less than this Oreo ten rankies
exactly Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Let me also say if they want to charge forty
four dollars and ninety nine cents for this, they can.
People decided to buy it. I knew it was expensive
when I did it. I want to try it for
the kitch, for the show. I feel like I let
everybody down.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Oh, don't do that, but I know, don't do that.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
But I swear to you.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Tell me I'm not.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I'm not. I don't I get some solace in that.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
That's screwed up. Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
That's screwed up.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I'm curious, and I'm going to get.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
The caveat after Buyer Beware, It's on me.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I'm going to get the folks at the fingers Bowing
Institute of Institutes for institut huts UH to do a survey.
Does Oreo have the kind of collectibility following the rabbit
Oreo fans? I'm not as much as Coca Cola, But
are people running around wanting to collect Oreo memorabilia. Is
(25:17):
this a thing? Oh my gosh, I gotta get it.
They've got a cool Oreo tin. I need that is.
Are people into Oreo that much? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I mean they collect Coca cola stuff that's still in
some places. They people collect everything, and I gottamit. The
tin's cute. The tin I think should be made of
a higher quality. But the tin is cute. And I'm
not anti Oreo. Oreos are delicious.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I'm not saying no. The only thing you're collecting with
that is uh, debt, debt and a high blood bludge.
This is wow as a thing.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
So yeah, it is. But I don't think uh uh
the I don't think this.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Is gonna be a collectible.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I don't think this is gonna be like an Oreo
collectible of this tink.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
The other thing that bothers me and I know we're
maybe beating a dead horse here. It's a bit late
for that. How that tin is so chintzy.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, I don't think we've ever beat up on a
product this bad before. By the way, if if I
squeeze it, i'll fold, it'll it'll crush.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, it'll look like you're from the planet Krypton.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Which is not true. It is not true. I'm here legally.
What Superman came to the country illegally? He didn't stop
at the space border.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Do you really know that? I've read all the research.
Let me chat GPT.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I tried, guys, I tried for you. I would get
I would try again in order the right ones, but
I can't afford that.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So smoking the Rocky Patel thirtieth anniversary nice stick. Is
it worth the seventeen dollars and fifty cents? Well, I
mean that's really a matter of opinion. Is it in
our humid art seventeen dollars and fifty cents? Well, we
haven't figured that out yet. To teat, drink smoke, I'm
Tony Katz. That's a fingers. We're putting the Oreo Travesty
Nightmare behind us. Orio Gate. Oreo Gate, Yes, Oreo Gate
(27:38):
is completely behind us. Mistakes were made on both parts.
Just moving on, Oh, mortified and.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Still yet angered. You know what, if mistakes are to
be made, may they always include sprinkles. You are a poet.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Thank you, you truly, you truly have a way with words.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Sprinkles.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
It's a nice cigar. We're in the first third of
this cigar, and really, you know, I talked about it
being tobacco forward at the first I still think that
that's accurate. There is a nice richness with that tobacco,
though that little bit of wood spice is very much
in the subdued spot right now. And maybe a little
more coco is coming from this now. That could be
(28:27):
the oreo talking, but I think it is the cigar
talking right here.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I really want to get into the second third.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
And really see where this cigar goes and where it
builds from the Rocky Hotel thirtieth is what we're smoking
with that San Andreas rapper and that seven year double binder,
so that's they're pretty proud of that, that Nicaraguan binder there.
So we'll see where the cigar goes. But great hand feel,
love the box press.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
And the draw is fantastic, absolutely, and I agree with
you about the richness that being tobacco forward. I'm getting
some there's a nice cedar note there, but I'm not
getting any kind of sweetness off the stick, either from
a cocoa or a coffee or a cream or anything
like that, and I'm not getting any spice out of
(29:13):
this so far. I'm going to be interested to see
as I move into the second third if some spice
picks up for me.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
But fingers, we missed it before because oreogate, it's time
for news of the.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Week Tony retailer. The retailer Walmart said it expects full
year net sales to climb between five percent around five percent,
which is actually higher than it first expected. Boy, I'm
totally slaughtering this. Yeah, abusing it. I gotta be honest
(29:46):
with you. It's the sprinkles I get you anyway. People
either on Wall Street, you ask them, you ask the
folks that are running Walmart. They're very, very thrilled with
the numbers so far from the third quarter, and they're
anticipating higher than expected sales over the Christmas holidays.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Now people are gonna say, see, the economy is getting better.
I want it to get better. Let me tell you,
let me sound the alarm bell right now. I don't
like what I'm seeing at all. I do not like
what I am seeing anywhere in the slightest I don't
see the.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Interest rate cut coming.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I see where the market was looking at groups like
Nvidia and those who make the chips for AI and
saying oh, everything's fine, and then no, not so much.
You take a look at the job's numbers that just
came out. They're the September jobs numbers. They only came
out now because of the government shutdown, and no one
seems to be moved by them or care about them,
(30:43):
even though it shows more jobs in September than we
thought by more than double one hundred and nineteen thousand's
opposed to the fifty thousand dollars estimate, but unemployment went
up to four point four percent. I'm looking at the
creative destruction is the wrong word?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Follow me here.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Spins and AI have been massive to the tunes of
trillions of dollars, and now companies want to see if
they could utilize the AI to reduce their costs. So
you're going to see a lot of people be cutting
from their cut from their jobs. Verizon just cut what
was it, seventeen thousand, and Amazon you have ups. I'm
hearing some other major tech groups are going to be
(31:22):
doing some serious cutting in the coming days and weeks.
Walmart has been a defact a default setting for people
because that's where things are more affordable, so their sales
being up. I mean, I'm happy to see it, but
it isn't necessarily the sign of a good sign. I
don't like anything I'm seeing from this economy.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
It makes me. I hate it. It makes you feel
like consumers are making a choice, and the choice is
to try to get you know, their their costs down,
whether it's either Christmas gifts, holiday gifts coming up, or
you know, just food and clothing in general. They're turning
to Walmart because things have gotten so expensive.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
And so theres a move from the White House. They're
eliminating tariffs on beef and coffee and a couple other
staple things because they recognize the tariffs are taxes. They
also say in the same breath that the tariffs are
the reasons we've been able to engage so many deals
and investment into the US trillions of dollars. The problem
(32:19):
is it's not actualized yet. It's all in the ether.
We haven't seen the money come in to the point
where a shovel goes into the ground and something is
created or made or invested. So until we see that,
we don't really know. What we have is a lot
of hope that it's going to be the case. So
(32:39):
you have in its political you have the Republicans saying
that the greatness of this economy is on its way
and the inflation never really exploded the way people said
it would because of tariffs, which is absolutely true. By
the way, you have the Democrat saying, yeah, but you
said that you were going to lower prices, and the
(33:00):
prices are still high on this, prices are still high
on that, and people are having trouble with this, and
now people more people are buying at Walmart. And then
the Republicans say, well, egg prices are down and they
were massively high, and energy prices are down because gas
prices are down there at the same level they were
right before covid uh.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
And then the Democrats are going to say, but.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
You promised lower prices and you didn't bring it, and
now people have a worse quality of life. So that
political fight continues. If AI is the reason that companies
start to shed employees, what am I supposed to say
to that in terms of who's to blame.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Because it's very possible no one's to blame.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
This is just one of those cycles that comes when
there's innovation and the innovation and case engages replacements and
changes in workforces.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, because you can't block AI's progress. I don't think so.
It's impossible, because you're gonna have other countries continue to
invest in AI. Use AI your AI right now exactly,
and you need to unplug me and plug me back in.
Having said that, though, it's what's interesting is you mentioned
these conflicting economic numbers, and now there's talk because of
(34:15):
the jobs numbers, while they weren't fantastic, they were better
than expected in September. Now there's talk that the Fed
may quite possibly not cut rates in December because of
this information, and like you mentioned earlier, we may not
get an October jobs report, it.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
May not come out.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Has there been an explaint? Is it all based on
all basic shutdown? Everything's based on the shutdown? Why those
numbers haven't come out? And also you can argue that
the markets have kind of already baked it in.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
All right.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
We didn't get the numbers, but we kind of figured
it out, all right, we saw what's happening. And then
there's the argument that's made by economists. I do a
lot of talking with them on my on my other shows,
that maybe this is good because we always are looking
at what the government puts out as the numbers, which
we're looking at howusinesses are doing, how they're thriving, how
manufacturing is going, and take a look at businesses and
make a decision on what's happening. But if you don't
(35:06):
get the rate cut, which means you don't have a
full one percent cut of the interest rate, of that
of that lending rate, then then the market says, well, wait,
you promised this a one percent cut, so you might
see a reduction in the market there.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
So there's.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
You could have a very different scenario next September. Things
could be humming and crazy. And now the investment has
started happening, and therefore jobs started happening, and construction jobs
and manufacturing jobs and other things. It's possible, and people,
a lot of faith. Kids take you a long way,
but it ain't there now, and right now it ain't great.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
And I'll tell you something else. Right, the interest rates
need to be cut further because I'm planning on refinancing
in February. So you do people hear me calls, Call
your call, your congressman, call your senator, call Droome, pal
Rome put pressure on the FED because Fingers needs to
(36:09):
refinance his mortgage in February. No, I it's this whole shutdown,
the you know, the the aftermath of this. It's really
interesting how it's played games not only on you know,
jobs reports and what the Fed's gonna do, but also
how long was that the continue this this the cr
(36:30):
CR how long?
Speaker 1 (36:31):
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