July 25, 2025 • 36 mins
On this Happy Hour edition of Eat Drink Smoke, Tony and Fingers review the Foundation Tabernacle Havana Seed CT #142.
18 classic movie theater candies, ranked worst to best. Fingers gives his movie theater update. The UK to lower the national voting age to 16 under government proposals. Parents shell out $5,000 a month and delay retirement to support their 27-year-old daughter living at home.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I have found myself realizing that Foundation does some good work.
Foundation cigars. The olmec is an absolutely terrific smoke. And
we've done some other Foundation cigars as well. It's like
we haven't done them, and now we're hitting them all.
And lately I have ended up at meetings at a
(00:25):
cigar lounge where they've got the Tabernacle and I'm like, why, yes,
yes I will. It's eat drink smoke. I'm Tony Katz.
That right there is America's favorite amateur drinker. Fingers molloy.
This is the tabernacle. Havana seed. This is the CT one.
Two is the Havana seed, which we is a reference
(00:46):
to the rapper. Now we've got this in the double
corona size. It comes in a series of atolas or sizes,
and this one is the double corona, which it means
it's a seven by fifty four. It's seven inches long.
Always makes fingers with one laugh. And the ring gauge
is a fifty four. That's the diameter of the cigar,
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or how thick it is around, again with the laughter.
Now a sixty four ring gage would be a full
one inch around. This is on ring gauge. Is really
the top of the mark of where I like to be,
where I feel comfortable in the mouthfeel when you're getting
into bigger stuff. I know some people really like that
sixty four. It's just too much. It hurts the jaw.
(01:27):
It's just that's not a pleasurable experience. The seven inch.
I like a longer cigar and this wrapper, this is
a just a beautiful not only a beautiful color, like
a beautiful this is a cigar or color like you know.
It's the browns with with with almost like almost like
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a black undercurtain, like they painted it black and then
you put brown over it and a little bit of
the black shows through. That's really where it's at. That
is smooth and the touch of grit all at the
same time it's got oil, but it's not oily. It's
a really nice composition of a wrapper.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yes it is. And the hand feel is very nice.
I'm leaning towards a little bit lighter than I was expecting,
but still it feels very good in the hand.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You're talking about the actual weight of the cigar, Yes,
like the feel of it. You figured it would be
have a little more, a little more heft, a little
more hot shatcha.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yes, And I always I struggle with describing it that way,
as if it's a little hefty, because I don't want
to fat shame the cigar.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Oh, well we know it's it's fine. Well, body shame this.
We can body shame a cigar. And all we want
you perfect us, you little fatties in the middle. You yeah,
and your pointy heads. We love you. So the the
idea of the Havana seed, the the c it's a
it's a varietal. And so what you have here is
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how seeds moved from one place to another, specific how
seeds moved from Cuba to Connecticut. So if you do
drew a state and you do the T fifty two
from Lego Pravada, that's an example of it. I think
the guys at cons do a very good job of
explaining this. Ko h n e ed conned k o
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h n h e d knead kand I never knew
it was content or con u k o h n
h e d dot com. He does a really nice
job of explaining this, well done. The cigar has been
around for a while. The Tybernacle's just we haven't gotten
to it. So now we're getting to it again, rapper
is beautiful. Again the the wait, I think it's fine,
(03:44):
But yeah, I guess you could expect maybe a little
bit more heft to the cigar right off the bat, though,
as as we've started smoking this thing, there's almost everything
going on. You want wood, it's in there. You want
some earthy it's in there. You want is it a
(04:06):
bitterness of chocolate or is it really an undercurrent of
the pepper. You can play that too a lot, right
off the bat, from the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, I'd like to take a peek at what other
people are saying before we review a cigar, just to
see get the pulse of the cigar community. Well, I
got on Foundation's website Foundation Cigar Company dot com and
their description of what you can expect is cedar a
deep earthiness, a natural sweetness, and warm spice. And I
(04:38):
read that as I was lighting the cigar, and I thought,
warm spice. That's interesting. And then then once I started
into the first third of the cigar, I was like, oh, okay,
I get that.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, how I have a definition for warm spies Because
everybody uses their own words and their own terminologies, and
we should all be clear with each other Some people
are totally full of crap. The way they describe a cigar,
the way they like the terminology they utilize for a bourbon.
They're they're only there to try and impress other people
who want to be impressed by by big words or
(05:10):
esoteric types of flavoring. I have an idea of what
you mean by warm spice. How would you describe that
to a person?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So to me, you know how there's a rye spice
when when you're having you know your your rye whiskey.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Oh, I sure do.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Uh So there's a spice here that lingers on the
palette and it almost feels like there's an intensifying warmth
to it. You know how it'll dissipate on a rye
for a lot of people when you're you're drinking a rye.
This to me, there's a little bit of spice and
then it in your mouth. It intensifies that spice and
(05:49):
it actually gets warmer on your palate. That's how I.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Take yeah, because when I hear a warm spice, I
get the feeling that it's not pepper bomb, but it
is something that just gradually moves its way. It's it's
it's subtle in its performance. And that's what I think
it means, because I would never consider warm spice to
be like baking spices. Baking spice is a very specific
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kind of of thing going on, and so when I
hear warm spice, I assume they're playing in that pepper,
but they're saying that pepper is more soud. Now I
don't get that. I get that pepper right through the
middle of the tongue right there in present for me,
so not not warm.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And once again, you know, we talk about this all
the time. I don't claim to be a cigar expert.
I'm I'm a fan of cigars, and you know, we
talk about our experiences smoking them and kind of give
an idea to the audience of what they may experience.
But everybody's palate is different. I with that spice, for me,
it starts off like with a black pepper, but then
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that black pepper kind of goes away and it kind
of broadens out into like a more baking spice isn't
the right way to go, but there's a there's a spice,
a flare to it, and then it sticks to the
palette and it actually continues to warm on the palette
a little bit well after your draw and by the way,
nice pleasant draw on this cigar too.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, Tabernacle from Foundation Cigars is what we're smoking here.
And you want to take your cigar and you want
to break it into thirds in your mind, first third, second, third,
final third, and then you want to grab your notebooks.
What did you eat today? What did you drink today?
What is the weather like humidity in Indianapolis, Indiana that
seems like it's never going to go away? This is
(07:32):
the new normal we live in. Just a sticky healscape.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
But a nice inviting, sticky healscape, which, oh fantastic people,
just terrible weather this week.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And so you take the cigar, you break into the
thirds and what are the flavors? You get? Write them
down in your notebook first third, second, third, final third,
and then when you have the cigar a month later,
six months later, two months later, you do it again,
and then you can pare your notes. You really see
where you're your flavor profile is at. Right there, There
is some building spice that's going on with this this
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stick I do think there is a bitterness of chocolate
that exists. And really, where I'm at the thing that
is now most connecting these two is for me, a
wood There is a woody that's happening there that may change,
that may morph a little bit. We've just started this
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the Tabernacle seven by fifty four from Foundation Cigars. You
want to grab them. We've got a lot more to
get to keep it here. So everybody knows that when
it's this hot out and this human out and this
sticky out and this absolutely gross out, the only answer
is to go to the movies. And we have a
(08:51):
quick movie update. It's e drink smoke. I'm Tony Katz.
That right there is Fingers Morey, because movies means movie
popcorn and movie candy, and Fingers has a very specific
thing about movies. But last week, if I can do
a flashback, oh.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well hold on, hold on, eat, drink smoke flash back.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, we really need a special effects department so so bad.
We were discussing that. Fingers Moloy went to the movies
the other day. He saw spinal tap. Yes, spinal tap
just came out. Didn't have a spinal tap, saw a
spinal tap. And while he was there, this very very
(09:32):
beautiful theater imagine imagine theaters and and they've got the
reclining seats, and they've got the foot massages. What don't
they have except he goes to sit in his seat.
He goes to sit in his seat, ladies and gentlemen,
his seat doesn't recline. And we were having this conversation
about what people complain about it. I was like, you
should have said something. You bought a seat that they
(09:54):
all say reclines and didn't recline. You should say something.
We were talking about it.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
On air, and to be fair, I did after the
movie you did, and they patted me on my head
and sent me on my way.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Right, thank you for the information. And I said that
that that's not the thing that they should have done. Right. Well,
lo and behold the power of eat, drink, smoke. And
we weren't. We weren't rude, We didn't we didn't call it,
make fun of anybody's mom, nothing. The fine people at
Imagine Theaters who emailed you, Nick, Nick at Imagine Theaters
(10:25):
finds fingers. First of all, so I don't know if
somebody sent him the story. We haven't had a chance
to talk to him yet. Was whether someone sent him
the story or or he was listening on his own
reaches out to Fingers molloy to say, so sorry about that.
We want to make this right, we want to do this,
we want to help you with that. Honestly, it was
(10:45):
it was an unbelievably nice email. I think it was
a bit of overkill.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I think I think he was too nice to you, right,
nobody can be too nice to me.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I think that honestly. Honestly, he's just trying to get
you to show up to his birthday party.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
You think that's what it is. I do you think
offering me my own movie theater was overkill?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I I you're going to his birthday party, aren't you?
All three of them? So it was super kind. We weren't.
Nobody was fishing, but it was very very kind of you. Uh,
Fingers are gonna get in touch. You sent it to
both of us, and and very very cool, very very
well done. And it's it's just it's fascinating the people
(11:28):
that we sometimes hear from in our conversations and and
and I think the weird thing is is that it
was just, Hey, this this experience wasn't right. But even
when we talk about an experience is great, you sometimes
here from people you sometimes don't man. The reach out
was very cool, but now my concern is, oh great,
someone can complain about just anything, and then this guy
(11:50):
has to end up giving you a free this and
free that, and like at some moment it like it's
it's too much.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
That's why, that's why it was super kind. I just
thought it was all too much. Well again, yeah, you're right,
it was. It was very kind. I wouldn't say too kind.
It was very kind. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You didn't have to sit through that movie with your
back perfectly straight, staring at all the slobs who were
able to just lounge and just be in their own filth.
And here I was like an animal sitting up like
I mean, church school. I'm telling you, I'm assuming they
call it church school. I'm joeish. I have no idea
what they call it. They call it church That's what
(12:29):
I thought.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But I sat there and as I'm trying to enjoy
the movie, others around me have the relaxing, perfectly reclined
in their chairs. And I could have done one of
two things. I could have tried to ruin the movie
for everyone, because my experience was not pleasant seeing all
these other people reclined and I'm sitting there, sitting straight
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up like a sucker.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
You were just yelled out like the ending. Yeah it's
a cookbook. Yeah yeah, Rose dies at the end. This
one does go to eleven. I could have done that,
I'll go Rose did and died Jack.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
But having said that or the other option was what
I did was just sat there and enjoyed the movie
with the rest of the people. Now I'm not saying
I'm a hero, but it was difficult. It was difficult.
But again, thank you Nick over at imagine super kind, Yes,
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really super kind.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
But they did. They put together a list right here,
not imagine uhh no, not imagine this from tasting table
dot com eighteen classic movie theater candies ranked worst to best.
You ready for this? I got a song for this.
I'm ready. Let's go out to the lobby, Let's go up.
So I want you to name a candy and I
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will tell you where it is on the list. I
can tell you my favorite movie theater can right, milk duds,
milk duds, Ladies and Gentlemen, milk duds, his favorite favorite
movie theater can't Oh, didn't even make the top ten.
Are you kidding? Didn't make the top fourteen. Number fifteen
on the list. The milk Dud candy made with chocolate
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and caramel. It's delightful and the great thing is it
comes in the movie.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
It usually is a five ounce box, but it weighs
in your hand. It feels like it weighs a pound
and a half. By the time you get through a
box of milk duds, you look like Quagmire from The
Family Guy because you built up your jaw muscles. Yeah,
and then you've got this big wad of chocolate and
caramel right in the bottom of your stomach.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
You don't have to eat for another three days. Sounds gross.
I'll give me another one. Give me another candy.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Missus Molloy's favorite is of raisin nuts. Raisins right, Oh,
that is so.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Wrong, Number three? What raisin nexts are number three on
the list of best movie theater candies. Well, what about you?
What's your go to if you get some candy out? So,
first of all, I am a non parrel guy. You
know it as a snowcap. Snowcaps are number ten on
the list.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Oh, I thought you were gonna say something lame like
I only bring fresh fruit into the movies.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I actually bring cut fruit that I got from a
bodega down the street. There are some I never heard
of before, like bottle caps. You never had a bottle cap?
You don't even know what it is? Yes, I do.
It's crunchy, look chalky. Look at me? Do I look
like they're like like sweethearts? Yeah, sweethearts, sweethearts, sweety tartthearts, Yes, right,
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that's but they're a little chalkier, right, Good and Plenty
is number eighteen, Junior Mints at seventeen, the mic and
Ike at sixteen. I don't like any of like that
overly sweet stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Number fourteen dots. Let me explain something to you. When
Halloween comes around, you get the premium bags of candy,
and they've got the good stuff like the Snickers at
one hundred grand bar and stuff like that. Then next
to it in the scrub candy section, it will be
a bag of candy and it'll be nerds, and then
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in the mixed bag of candy, they'll be dots.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I just confiscate all the dots. That's you, Oh, that's me.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
And it's the only time of the year I eat
it is during Halloween because I feel like when you
give kids dots for Halloween.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
There's a disappointed look in their eyes, and that's the
joy of Halloween. Number ten of snowcaps nine is chocolate
chip cookie dough bites, which you can't go wrong with.
You don't see that everywhere. Eminem's are number eight. It's
a classic peanut. Eminem's number seven, which I prefer much
more than Eminem's, just not in a movie theater. Not
a movie theater. Number six is one of the most
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disgusting candies ever made, called Skittles. I don't apologize Skittles,
People's terrible Goobers, which a cover Peanuts coming in at
number five, Reese's Pieces at number four, Nope, raising that's
a three. The grossest candy possible aside from Skittles, Sara
Patch Kids at number two and Bunch of Crunch Nestley
(17:14):
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Speaker 2 (18:10):
So I'm thrilled with your relationship with them, but I'm
really getting tired of calling you mister ambassador Goods.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
It's okay by me. It was a good joke. It
was actually very good. I'm proud of you. Thank you.
I kind of stopped me in my tracks right there,
smoking from Foundation Cigars. This is the tabernacle, the Havana
seed right here, the CT one two uh seven fifty four.
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It is starting to get to the place where I
know it to be, where that bit of that, that
pepper that came in to me, that wood that came
in to me, a little bit of bitterness, the chuck
came in. It's all starting to blend together. And there
is and I don't know how many people discuss this,
go go over this right off the first there's a
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there's a little bit of sweet that kind of materializes
from all the things that are happening. The sweetness is
not overt it is not sugary sweet. It is not
candy sweet. It is not cream that's not happening. There's
just with with the chocolate, bitter, with the wood, there's
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this little sweetness. And then you have you know, you
refer to it as a warm spice. You have this
pepper there. It is to me, not my everyday flavor,
but a very nice flavor. I would dare say, almost
an almondy sweetness. Will you get a nutty out of it?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
That with the wood, that sweetness, to me, it almost
has like an almond back to it. But for me,
it's mostly that wood is intensified.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
The spice.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
That pepper has kind of de escalated for me. And again,
I don't know if I'm just getting used to it
or if it if it really is starting to subside
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
But I interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I sat back and I thought to myself, that sweetness
where I can't put my finger on it, but it's there.
And but like you said, it's not a candied sweetness.
It's so you're getting almonds a little bit. Yeah, I
think you're totally wrong. But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
You have your palate and I have mine. I think
it's a really interesting way to categorize it. For me.
It doesn't it doesn't fall into that. I don't. I don't.
I don't get that one. But I think it's interesting
that you do.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Maybe it's because I've been scarfing down at almonds for
the last hour and a half.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I don't think that's it. In the slightest fingers moloy
the Tabernacle, and by the way, you're gonna get to
different tastes than other people. Your palate. It's it's all individual.
There is no right, there is no wrong. There's only
what you experience out of it. Is this in your
humidor from Foundation Cigars, the Tabernacle, Havana seed cet one
(20:58):
the seven by fifty four? Is this in your humid
or at an average price of thirteen dollars, is still
stop it? Yes, absolutely, Here's what I'm going to tell you. Oh,
first things first, there's no question it's in your humid or.
When it comes to Foundation, I am still a fan
(21:20):
of the OMEC. The Omech to me is much more
where I like to be. I've said that before. Here's
the story about Foundation Foundation cigars. You know, we talked
about that big fire at the Fernande. It was the
aj Fernandez factory. Foundation was part of that fire. So
(21:42):
it might be harder to find right now because shipments
that one would think were going out weren't going out.
Millions of cigars were destroyed in that fire. We had
reached out to a bunch of cigar friends, Hey was
this Were you affected? And some of our friends weren't affected,
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but others were. We don't know the guys the Foundation.
We'd love to so to find it, the price may
be more expensive now, the amount might be limited. Now.
I'm just saying that at thirteen bucks, thirteen dollars all day,
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not even a question. This is in the humid or,
and this is not my typical profile because there is
more pepper on here. I like a little more richness
in the cigar. I do like those creamy elements, but man,
(22:48):
it smokes beautifully, absolutely beautifully. The tabernacle right here, excuse me,
the havana seed seven by fifty four. But it's time
fingers mowaii for news of the week, Tony.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
As you know, I've said to you, I have a
few things that I live by.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Hope, floats, hope floats, live, laugh, love. Yes, if you
don't climb the mountain, Tony, you can't see the view.
Oh wow, wow, this is going to be a book.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And also one of my passions, Tony, is to future
proof democracy.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Thank you. I've been wishing somebody would do that, and
I'm on it. Thank goodness that someone thought that they
could devise a new system to future proof democracy other
than the constitution and free elections.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Well over in the United Kingdom, Tony, Oh well, it's over.
The United Kingdom could become one of the first European
countries to lower the voting age to sixteen in all
national elections in what the government is calling a landmark
effort to quote future proof it's democracy.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
They are insane. This allow me. We don't get political
on this show. You guys know, we come from political places.
We do political radio, We've done political writing, We've done
political consults. There's nothing except run for office that we
have not done. We've done the TV stuff, We've done
the radio stuff, We've done the podcast up. We have
(24:18):
been in the rooms. Other people have been in more rooms. Right,
we're not trying to tootor on home. We're just saying
that we live in this world. The vote has hurt
more people than the gun, and the idea that you
would let us sixteen year old vote is insane. I
(24:40):
would raise the voting age to fifty seven. Are you insane?
Do you think this is gonna future proof? No? Wait,
it will future proof the UK if indeed the UK
doesn't want a future.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Here's my take on this. I have a fifteen year
old trying to be sick teen. Oh fantastic. I see
her interact with other fifteen and sixteen year olds if
it were up to.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Somebody, do they interact on the gram?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
They do the snapchats. I'm quite certain if we just
left them on their own, they would live on sour
patch kids, that would be their diet.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I'm not turning.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
To these people to future proof our democracy.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
And by the way, when he said these people, he
totally meant these people.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
So I don't know what the United Kingdom is thinking.
This is ridiculous. Kids are naive and they can be
led down a path through narrative to come up with
decisions in a way to live a life and lead
a country that can destroy it.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
And there's no way anyone.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I'm not even sure you're mature enough at eighteen to vote,
to be quite honest, but we.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Got I say fifty seven, I'm in seventy three. You
need to be seventy three years old to be able
to vote.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
But the reason why I brought this up, it's like, Okay, well,
why do you bring this up. It's in the United Kingdom.
The talk has been in the United States from some
that we should lower the voting age here in the
United States to sixteen years old.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yet I can't have a gun at all. Like if
they the same people want to lower the voting age,
want to tell you that you're never old enough to
be able to have a gun. If I go through history,
and by the way, if anybody wants to check my
historical accuracy, go right ahead. The vote far more powerful tool,
far more dangerous tool in the wrong hands, because in
(26:44):
the wrong hands people can vote for a way that
prevents a vote from ever happening again, almost as dangerous
Sour Patch kids. That's that's rough. By the way, Sara
Patch's kids are skittles, which is worse skittles. Sure. I
have found that over time here on Each Drink Smoke,
(27:05):
we Fingers Moloy have become basically America's best dads. And
and what we do is that we help other parents
get better at what they do because, and certainly not
all parents, but there's a fair amount of parents out
there who I believe the Latin term is suck. Wow.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Oh god, I feel I don't feel comfortable about this
conversation at all.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
You know, maybe what we're not, maybe we're not the dads,
but rather what we are we are surpas life shurpas,
and we are helping guide people. If that soda comes
out of your nose, I get a new car. I'm
just telling you right now. I Oh, so close, guys,
I was so close to soda flying out of fingers nose.
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Oh that would have been great.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You know, we are here at Each Drink Smoke expanding
our merch. Yes, I'm currently wearing one of the new
Eat Drink Smoke button ups.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yes, can can we make life shirt of T shirts? Yeah?
Sure that I'll have I will have those done next week.
Not even a question. I'm so happy. Fingers Maloy is
my life shirt. That's going on a T shirt. First
of all, T Drink Smoke, I'm Tony Kats. That is
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life shirt. But Fingers muloy good to be with. You
find everything at Eat Drinks smokeshow dot com. It's a
story about how younger generations Joe, we talked about would
you let a sixteen year old vote? Younger generations have
this real failure to launch. I'm not getting out of
the house. I'm not getting jobs. They need parents to
go with them on a job interview. There's just a
total fear of everything, and in a large scale sense,
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and it certainly is not true of everybody. I have
real faith in gen z as opposed to millennials. Whe
I have much less faith just based on my observations.
It's totally an observational thing. The story is from The Independent,
where a California mother talked to CNBC about how much
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she and her husband pay to financially support their twenty
seven year old daughter. The daughter moved back home in
early twenty twenty four, and she and her husband are
paying an extra five thousand dollars a month fifteen hundred
on food, seven hundred on transportation, four hundred on her
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pet cat. So they're no longer going on vacations. He
is considering delaying his retirement. The question before us is
why in the world is it five thousand dollars. Listen,
there could be all sorts of reasons. Your kid has
moved back into the house, all sorts of reasons, but
the kid's just gonna stay there. How does it come
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to five thousand dollars? And what is the kid doing?
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So I can only assume, first of all, that fifteen
hundred dollars on food must include a huge amount of
door dash and Uber Eats.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Has to write yeah, because at fifteen hundred dollars a month,
I can feed everybody. Yes, and then some that's that's crazy.
Seven hundred dollars on transportation, okay? Is that you're paying
the car payment and the car insurance or there is
no car payment or car insurance and you're paying ride
share services for because the kid doesn't drive. Yes, which
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was a trend. I don't know if that's still a trend.
Kids like not driving afraid to drive.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
It's crazy. It just is so foreign to me. You know,
you and I have talked about it on several occasions.
How it feels like our generation X was like the
last generation that really really had a passion for cars.
And younger kids. Man, it's sometimes nineteen twenty years old
before they get the driver's license. But for seven hundred
dollars on transportation, four hundred dollars on her pet cat,
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I can't even imagine unless it's a really sickly cat,
that they're taking the vet all the time, and they've
got some ridiculous prescription food and actual medication that they're
giving the cat. Listen, you you touched on it earlier.
If one of my daughters said to me at twenty three,
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twenty four, can I move back in? I have, you know,
a student loan that I want to pay off. I
want to start my own business whatever, and I just
need some help, of course I would say, please come
back home, we'll help.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
If I see them working and they're actually doing it.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, then it's like, Okay, her nose is against the
grindstone and I'm working. And but if it's just this,
but even even in that, you set a standard in it.
My kid has a goal, they're trying to achieve the goal.
They're asking me for help in achieving the goal. I
can help them achieve the goal. I'll do it now.
You could also say you got you got to be
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able to manage these things. It might take you longer,
but you've got to do this on your own, right,
depending on the kid and you. But you might say yes,
you might say no.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
But you started with a place of because I would
I would be the I would be the no guy. Yeah,
but you started with the place of you have a goal,
and certainly starting a business, well maybe that's a little
bit different. That's your investment in talking them with the business.
Parents help their kids start businesses all the time. They
are different ways to go about doing that. But in
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this situation, and so the story is from CNBC, there's
a growing number of parents who say their children aged
eighteen to thirty five are impacting their finances. Forty percent
of parents say that supporting their adult children has impacted
their saving goals. I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no no, no, no, no. And this is certainly there's
a cultural aspect to play. This is a falt of parenting.
And this is a fault to parenting because in yours,
as I said, in your setup, they're after something, they
have a goal that is an ambition, that is a drive,
that is something, and you're like, I can reward that
help that I want to cultivate that. Good on you
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and you're doing what you do right. Yeah, if the
kid is like I just I just don't want to work,
I don't understand. It's also very stressful. You don't understand
what it's like. I know what it's going to be
like if I'm seventy four and saying welcome to Walmart.
And there's, by the way, nothing wrong with doing it,
and some people have to do it. There is no
issue with it at all. But if I can set
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myself up now to not be doing that, that's what
I want. You don't get to take from me what
I want. That's not good parenting. That's my point.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
The amount of people that I know that are in
their fifties and even early sixties that are making their
adult children's car payments.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
No, you do not, not me. I didn't say you
you don't really know people do.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Absolutely, you do, not to the point where they're actually
working a second.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Job or whatever, because they're treating that. I'm not the no, no,
I'm not making it up. Look me and the eye
and tell me that's real, that's.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Real, working over time because oh my kid needs a
helping hand. And then I ask what kind of car
they're driving?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
A BMW? This is not no this Why are you
still friends with those people?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I'm serious more of a work acquaintance. But the situation
here with this story or what I'm talking about, it's
one thing. If you break down what you just said earlier,
it said, Okay, you're you're helping them because they have
a goal and they're working to achieve that goal, versus
a sense of entitlement where that's what it feels like here,
five thousand dollars a month.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
How is that even possible? How is that possible? You're
they're living underneath your roof.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
How could they possibly add five thousand dollars unless they're
just sitting back and just with their hand out and
you're willing to put the cash.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
You're there to sacrifice and they're there to take you
love your children. You do take care of your children.
I pay for my kids education and my oldest is working.
We was supposed to be a part time job, it's
now a full time and why did you make it
full time? Well, I want to be able to make
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as much as I can and contribute to what I'm
doing for college. And I said that's not happening. You'll
contribute what you can to an IRA or to a fund,
or to stock purchases, to your investments, to your future. No, no, no,
I've got college. You take care of your future. And
my kid looked at me like yeah, But I said,
I'm not having this conversation with you, and I'm not
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interested in your opinion on this. I've got this part.
You've got to take care of. You trying to teach
the lesson that you have to focus on your things,
and there will come a time where you have a
kid's take care and.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You will and time is on their side when it
comes to that sort of thing. You get fifty thousand
dollars in some sort of fund by the time you're
thirty years old, and see what it'll be like at
sixty five. That's good parenting. You can't you can't be
a good parent by giving. You have to be a
good parent by giving properly. And sometimes what you have
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to give is call it the tough love. Sometimes you
have to give a no. You have to tell them no.
They have to fail to figure out what it means
to succeed. And this story is frightening in every single way.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
You really know somebody doing that. Four hundred dollars in
our pet cat
I have found myself realizing that Foundation does some good work.
Foundation cigars. The olmec is an absolutely terrific smoke. And
we've done some other Foundation cigars as well. It's like
we haven't done them, and now we're hitting them all.
And lately I have ended up at meetings at a
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cigar lounge where they've got the Tabernacle and I'm like, why, yes,
yes I will. It's eat drink smoke. I'm Tony Katz.
That right there is America's favorite amateur drinker. Fingers molloy.
This is the tabernacle. Havana seed. This is the CT one.
Two is the Havana seed, which we is a reference
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to the rapper. Now we've got this in the double
corona size. It comes in a series of atolas or sizes,
and this one is the double corona, which it means
it's a seven by fifty four. It's seven inches long.
Always makes fingers with one laugh. And the ring gauge
is a fifty four. That's the diameter of the cigar,
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or how thick it is around, again with the laughter.
Now a sixty four ring gage would be a full
one inch around. This is on ring gauge. Is really
the top of the mark of where I like to be,
where I feel comfortable in the mouthfeel when you're getting
into bigger stuff. I know some people really like that
sixty four. It's just too much. It hurts the jaw.
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It's just that's not a pleasurable experience. The seven inch.
I like a longer cigar and this wrapper, this is
a just a beautiful not only a beautiful color, like
a beautiful this is a cigar or color like you know.
It's the browns with with with almost like almost like
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a black undercurtain, like they painted it black and then
you put brown over it and a little bit of
the black shows through. That's really where it's at. That
is smooth and the touch of grit all at the
same time it's got oil, but it's not oily. It's
a really nice composition of a wrapper.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yes it is. And the hand feel is very nice.
I'm leaning towards a little bit lighter than I was expecting,
but still it feels very good in the hand.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You're talking about the actual weight of the cigar, Yes,
like the feel of it. You figured it would be
have a little more, a little more heft, a little
more hot shatcha.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yes, And I always I struggle with describing it that way,
as if it's a little hefty, because I don't want
to fat shame the cigar.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Oh, well we know it's it's fine. Well, body shame this.
We can body shame a cigar. And all we want
you perfect us, you little fatties in the middle. You yeah,
and your pointy heads. We love you. So the the
idea of the Havana seed, the the c it's a
it's a varietal. And so what you have here is
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how seeds moved from one place to another, specific how
seeds moved from Cuba to Connecticut. So if you do
drew a state and you do the T fifty two
from Lego Pravada, that's an example of it. I think
the guys at cons do a very good job of
explaining this. Ko h n e ed conned k o
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h n h e d knead kand I never knew
it was content or con u k o h n
h e d dot com. He does a really nice
job of explaining this, well done. The cigar has been
around for a while. The Tybernacle's just we haven't gotten
to it. So now we're getting to it again, rapper
is beautiful. Again the the wait, I think it's fine,
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But yeah, I guess you could expect maybe a little
bit more heft to the cigar right off the bat, though,
as as we've started smoking this thing, there's almost everything
going on. You want wood, it's in there. You want
some earthy it's in there. You want is it a
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bitterness of chocolate or is it really an undercurrent of
the pepper. You can play that too a lot, right
off the bat, from the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, I'd like to take a peek at what other
people are saying before we review a cigar, just to
see get the pulse of the cigar community. Well, I
got on Foundation's website Foundation Cigar Company dot com and
their description of what you can expect is cedar a
deep earthiness, a natural sweetness, and warm spice. And I
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read that as I was lighting the cigar, and I thought,
warm spice. That's interesting. And then then once I started
into the first third of the cigar, I was like, oh, okay,
I get that.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, how I have a definition for warm spies Because
everybody uses their own words and their own terminologies, and
we should all be clear with each other Some people
are totally full of crap. The way they describe a cigar,
the way they like the terminology they utilize for a bourbon.
They're they're only there to try and impress other people
who want to be impressed by by big words or
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esoteric types of flavoring. I have an idea of what
you mean by warm spice. How would you describe that
to a person?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So to me, you know how there's a rye spice
when when you're having you know your your rye whiskey.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Oh, I sure do.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Uh So there's a spice here that lingers on the
palette and it almost feels like there's an intensifying warmth
to it. You know how it'll dissipate on a rye
for a lot of people when you're you're drinking a rye.
This to me, there's a little bit of spice and
then it in your mouth. It intensifies that spice and
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it actually gets warmer on your palate. That's how I.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Take yeah, because when I hear a warm spice, I
get the feeling that it's not pepper bomb, but it
is something that just gradually moves its way. It's it's
it's subtle in its performance. And that's what I think
it means, because I would never consider warm spice to
be like baking spices. Baking spice is a very specific
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kind of of thing going on, and so when I
hear warm spice, I assume they're playing in that pepper,
but they're saying that pepper is more soud. Now I
don't get that. I get that pepper right through the
middle of the tongue right there in present for me,
so not not warm.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And once again, you know, we talk about this all
the time. I don't claim to be a cigar expert.
I'm I'm a fan of cigars, and you know, we
talk about our experiences smoking them and kind of give
an idea to the audience of what they may experience.
But everybody's palate is different. I with that spice, for me,
it starts off like with a black pepper, but then
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that black pepper kind of goes away and it kind
of broadens out into like a more baking spice isn't
the right way to go, but there's a there's a spice,
a flare to it, and then it sticks to the
palette and it actually continues to warm on the palette
a little bit well after your draw and by the way,
nice pleasant draw on this cigar too.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, Tabernacle from Foundation Cigars is what we're smoking here.
And you want to take your cigar and you want
to break it into thirds in your mind, first third, second, third,
final third, and then you want to grab your notebooks.
What did you eat today? What did you drink today?
What is the weather like humidity in Indianapolis, Indiana that
seems like it's never going to go away? This is
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the new normal we live in. Just a sticky healscape.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
But a nice inviting, sticky healscape, which, oh fantastic people,
just terrible weather this week.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
And so you take the cigar, you break into the
thirds and what are the flavors? You get? Write them
down in your notebook first third, second, third, final third,
and then when you have the cigar a month later,
six months later, two months later, you do it again,
and then you can pare your notes. You really see
where you're your flavor profile is at. Right there, There
is some building spice that's going on with this this
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stick I do think there is a bitterness of chocolate
that exists. And really, where I'm at the thing that
is now most connecting these two is for me, a
wood There is a woody that's happening there that may change,
that may morph a little bit. We've just started this
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the Tabernacle seven by fifty four from Foundation Cigars. You
want to grab them. We've got a lot more to
get to keep it here. So everybody knows that when
it's this hot out and this human out and this
sticky out and this absolutely gross out, the only answer
is to go to the movies. And we have a
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quick movie update. It's e drink smoke. I'm Tony Katz.
That right there is Fingers Morey, because movies means movie
popcorn and movie candy, and Fingers has a very specific
thing about movies. But last week, if I can do
a flashback, oh.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well hold on, hold on, eat, drink smoke flash back.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, we really need a special effects department so so bad.
We were discussing that. Fingers Moloy went to the movies
the other day. He saw spinal tap. Yes, spinal tap
just came out. Didn't have a spinal tap, saw a
spinal tap. And while he was there, this very very
(09:32):
beautiful theater imagine imagine theaters and and they've got the
reclining seats, and they've got the foot massages. What don't
they have except he goes to sit in his seat.
He goes to sit in his seat, ladies and gentlemen,
his seat doesn't recline. And we were having this conversation
about what people complain about it. I was like, you
should have said something. You bought a seat that they
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all say reclines and didn't recline. You should say something.
We were talking about it.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
On air, and to be fair, I did after the
movie you did, and they patted me on my head
and sent me on my way.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Right, thank you for the information. And I said that
that that's not the thing that they should have done. Right. Well,
lo and behold the power of eat, drink, smoke. And
we weren't. We weren't rude, We didn't we didn't call it,
make fun of anybody's mom, nothing. The fine people at
Imagine Theaters who emailed you, Nick, Nick at Imagine Theaters
(10:25):
finds fingers. First of all, so I don't know if
somebody sent him the story. We haven't had a chance
to talk to him yet. Was whether someone sent him
the story or or he was listening on his own
reaches out to Fingers molloy to say, so sorry about that.
We want to make this right, we want to do this,
we want to help you with that. Honestly, it was
(10:45):
it was an unbelievably nice email. I think it was
a bit of overkill.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I think I think he was too nice to you, right,
nobody can be too nice to me.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I think that honestly. Honestly, he's just trying to get
you to show up to his birthday party.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
You think that's what it is. I do you think
offering me my own movie theater was overkill?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I I you're going to his birthday party, aren't you?
All three of them? So it was super kind. We weren't.
Nobody was fishing, but it was very very kind of you. Uh,
Fingers are gonna get in touch. You sent it to
both of us, and and very very cool, very very
well done. And it's it's just it's fascinating the people
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that we sometimes hear from in our conversations and and
and I think the weird thing is is that it
was just, Hey, this this experience wasn't right. But even
when we talk about an experience is great, you sometimes
here from people you sometimes don't man. The reach out
was very cool, but now my concern is, oh great,
someone can complain about just anything, and then this guy
(11:50):
has to end up giving you a free this and
free that, and like at some moment it like it's
it's too much.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
That's why, that's why it was super kind. I just
thought it was all too much. Well again, yeah, you're right,
it was. It was very kind. I wouldn't say too kind.
It was very kind. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You didn't have to sit through that movie with your
back perfectly straight, staring at all the slobs who were
able to just lounge and just be in their own filth.
And here I was like an animal sitting up like
I mean, church school. I'm telling you, I'm assuming they
call it church school. I'm joeish. I have no idea
what they call it. They call it church That's what
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I thought.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But I sat there and as I'm trying to enjoy
the movie, others around me have the relaxing, perfectly reclined
in their chairs. And I could have done one of
two things. I could have tried to ruin the movie
for everyone, because my experience was not pleasant seeing all
these other people reclined and I'm sitting there, sitting straight
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up like a sucker.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
You were just yelled out like the ending. Yeah it's
a cookbook. Yeah yeah, Rose dies at the end. This
one does go to eleven. I could have done that,
I'll go Rose did and died Jack.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
But having said that or the other option was what
I did was just sat there and enjoyed the movie
with the rest of the people. Now I'm not saying
I'm a hero, but it was difficult. It was difficult.
But again, thank you Nick over at imagine super kind, Yes,
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really super kind.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
But they did. They put together a list right here,
not imagine uhh no, not imagine this from tasting table
dot com eighteen classic movie theater candies ranked worst to best.
You ready for this? I got a song for this.
I'm ready. Let's go out to the lobby, Let's go up.
So I want you to name a candy and I
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will tell you where it is on the list. I
can tell you my favorite movie theater can right, milk duds,
milk duds, Ladies and Gentlemen, milk duds, his favorite favorite
movie theater can't Oh, didn't even make the top ten.
Are you kidding? Didn't make the top fourteen. Number fifteen
on the list. The milk Dud candy made with chocolate
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and caramel. It's delightful and the great thing is it
comes in the movie.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
It usually is a five ounce box, but it weighs
in your hand. It feels like it weighs a pound
and a half. By the time you get through a
box of milk duds, you look like Quagmire from The
Family Guy because you built up your jaw muscles. Yeah,
and then you've got this big wad of chocolate and
caramel right in the bottom of your stomach.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
You don't have to eat for another three days. Sounds gross.
I'll give me another one. Give me another candy.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Missus Molloy's favorite is of raisin nuts. Raisins right, Oh,
that is so.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Wrong, Number three? What raisin nexts are number three on
the list of best movie theater candies. Well, what about you?
What's your go to if you get some candy out? So,
first of all, I am a non parrel guy. You
know it as a snowcap. Snowcaps are number ten on
the list.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Oh, I thought you were gonna say something lame like
I only bring fresh fruit into the movies.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I actually bring cut fruit that I got from a
bodega down the street. There are some I never heard
of before, like bottle caps. You never had a bottle cap?
You don't even know what it is? Yes, I do.
It's crunchy, look chalky. Look at me? Do I look
like they're like like sweethearts? Yeah, sweethearts, sweethearts, sweety tartthearts, Yes, right,
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that's but they're a little chalkier, right, Good and Plenty
is number eighteen, Junior Mints at seventeen, the mic and
Ike at sixteen. I don't like any of like that
overly sweet stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Number fourteen dots. Let me explain something to you. When
Halloween comes around, you get the premium bags of candy,
and they've got the good stuff like the Snickers at
one hundred grand bar and stuff like that. Then next
to it in the scrub candy section, it will be
a bag of candy and it'll be nerds, and then
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in the mixed bag of candy, they'll be dots.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I just confiscate all the dots. That's you, Oh, that's me.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
And it's the only time of the year I eat
it is during Halloween because I feel like when you
give kids dots for Halloween.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
There's a disappointed look in their eyes, and that's the
joy of Halloween. Number ten of snowcaps nine is chocolate
chip cookie dough bites, which you can't go wrong with.
You don't see that everywhere. Eminem's are number eight. It's
a classic peanut. Eminem's number seven, which I prefer much
more than Eminem's, just not in a movie theater. Not
a movie theater. Number six is one of the most
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disgusting candies ever made, called Skittles. I don't apologize Skittles,
People's terrible Goobers, which a cover Peanuts coming in at
number five, Reese's Pieces at number four, Nope, raising that's
a three. The grossest candy possible aside from Skittles, Sara
Patch Kids at number two and Bunch of Crunch Nestley
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Crunch at number one. Just by nickname of college, Eat, Drink, Smoke,
it is your cigar bourbon foody extravaganza. I'm Tony Katz.
That right there is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers molloy
and every time is a good time for a cigar.
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Speaker 2 (18:10):
So I'm thrilled with your relationship with them, but I'm
really getting tired of calling you mister ambassador Goods.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
It's okay by me. It was a good joke. It
was actually very good. I'm proud of you. Thank you.
I kind of stopped me in my tracks right there,
smoking from Foundation Cigars. This is the tabernacle, the Havana
seed right here, the CT one two uh seven fifty four.
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It is starting to get to the place where I
know it to be, where that bit of that, that
pepper that came in to me, that wood that came
in to me, a little bit of bitterness, the chuck
came in. It's all starting to blend together. And there
is and I don't know how many people discuss this,
go go over this right off the first there's a
(19:05):
there's a little bit of sweet that kind of materializes
from all the things that are happening. The sweetness is
not overt it is not sugary sweet. It is not
candy sweet. It is not cream that's not happening. There's
just with with the chocolate, bitter, with the wood, there's
(19:29):
this little sweetness. And then you have you know, you
refer to it as a warm spice. You have this
pepper there. It is to me, not my everyday flavor,
but a very nice flavor. I would dare say, almost
an almondy sweetness. Will you get a nutty out of it?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
That with the wood, that sweetness, to me, it almost
has like an almond back to it. But for me,
it's mostly that wood is intensified.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
The spice.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
That pepper has kind of de escalated for me. And again,
I don't know if I'm just getting used to it
or if it if it really is starting to subside
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
But I interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I sat back and I thought to myself, that sweetness
where I can't put my finger on it, but it's there.
And but like you said, it's not a candied sweetness.
It's so you're getting almonds a little bit. Yeah, I
think you're totally wrong. But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
You have your palate and I have mine. I think
it's a really interesting way to categorize it. For me.
It doesn't it doesn't fall into that. I don't. I don't.
I don't get that one. But I think it's interesting
that you do.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Maybe it's because I've been scarfing down at almonds for
the last hour and a half.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I don't think that's it. In the slightest fingers moloy
the Tabernacle, and by the way, you're gonna get to
different tastes than other people. Your palate. It's it's all individual.
There is no right, there is no wrong. There's only
what you experience out of it. Is this in your
humidor from Foundation Cigars, the Tabernacle, Havana seed cet one
(20:58):
the seven by fifty four? Is this in your humid
or at an average price of thirteen dollars, is still
stop it? Yes, absolutely, Here's what I'm going to tell you. Oh,
first things first, there's no question it's in your humid or.
When it comes to Foundation, I am still a fan
(21:20):
of the OMEC. The Omech to me is much more
where I like to be. I've said that before. Here's
the story about Foundation Foundation cigars. You know, we talked
about that big fire at the Fernande. It was the
aj Fernandez factory. Foundation was part of that fire. So
(21:42):
it might be harder to find right now because shipments
that one would think were going out weren't going out.
Millions of cigars were destroyed in that fire. We had
reached out to a bunch of cigar friends, Hey was
this Were you affected? And some of our friends weren't affected,
(22:03):
but others were. We don't know the guys the Foundation.
We'd love to so to find it, the price may
be more expensive now, the amount might be limited. Now.
I'm just saying that at thirteen bucks, thirteen dollars all day,
(22:26):
not even a question. This is in the humid or,
and this is not my typical profile because there is
more pepper on here. I like a little more richness
in the cigar. I do like those creamy elements, but man,
(22:48):
it smokes beautifully, absolutely beautifully. The tabernacle right here, excuse me,
the havana seed seven by fifty four. But it's time
fingers mowaii for news of the week, Tony.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
As you know, I've said to you, I have a
few things that I live by.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Hope, floats, hope floats, live, laugh, love. Yes, if you
don't climb the mountain, Tony, you can't see the view.
Oh wow, wow, this is going to be a book.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
And also one of my passions, Tony, is to future
proof democracy.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Thank you. I've been wishing somebody would do that, and
I'm on it. Thank goodness that someone thought that they
could devise a new system to future proof democracy other
than the constitution and free elections.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Well over in the United Kingdom, Tony, Oh well, it's over.
The United Kingdom could become one of the first European
countries to lower the voting age to sixteen in all
national elections in what the government is calling a landmark
effort to quote future proof it's democracy.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
They are insane. This allow me. We don't get political
on this show. You guys know, we come from political places.
We do political radio, We've done political writing, We've done
political consults. There's nothing except run for office that we
have not done. We've done the TV stuff, We've done
the radio stuff, We've done the podcast up. We have
(24:18):
been in the rooms. Other people have been in more rooms. Right,
we're not trying to tootor on home. We're just saying
that we live in this world. The vote has hurt
more people than the gun, and the idea that you
would let us sixteen year old vote is insane. I
(24:40):
would raise the voting age to fifty seven. Are you insane?
Do you think this is gonna future proof? No? Wait,
it will future proof the UK if indeed the UK
doesn't want a future.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Here's my take on this. I have a fifteen year
old trying to be sick teen. Oh fantastic. I see
her interact with other fifteen and sixteen year olds if
it were up to.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Somebody, do they interact on the gram?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
They do the snapchats. I'm quite certain if we just
left them on their own, they would live on sour
patch kids, that would be their diet.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I'm not turning.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
To these people to future proof our democracy.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
And by the way, when he said these people, he
totally meant these people.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
So I don't know what the United Kingdom is thinking.
This is ridiculous. Kids are naive and they can be
led down a path through narrative to come up with
decisions in a way to live a life and lead
a country that can destroy it.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
And there's no way anyone.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I'm not even sure you're mature enough at eighteen to vote,
to be quite honest, but we.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Got I say fifty seven, I'm in seventy three. You
need to be seventy three years old to be able
to vote.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
But the reason why I brought this up, it's like, Okay, well,
why do you bring this up. It's in the United Kingdom.
The talk has been in the United States from some
that we should lower the voting age here in the
United States to sixteen years old.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yet I can't have a gun at all. Like if
they the same people want to lower the voting age,
want to tell you that you're never old enough to
be able to have a gun. If I go through history,
and by the way, if anybody wants to check my
historical accuracy, go right ahead. The vote far more powerful tool,
far more dangerous tool in the wrong hands, because in
(26:44):
the wrong hands people can vote for a way that
prevents a vote from ever happening again, almost as dangerous
Sour Patch kids. That's that's rough. By the way, Sara
Patch's kids are skittles, which is worse skittles. Sure. I
have found that over time here on Each Drink Smoke,
(27:05):
we Fingers Moloy have become basically America's best dads. And
and what we do is that we help other parents
get better at what they do because, and certainly not
all parents, but there's a fair amount of parents out
there who I believe the Latin term is suck. Wow.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Oh god, I feel I don't feel comfortable about this
conversation at all.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
You know, maybe what we're not, maybe we're not the dads,
but rather what we are we are surpas life shurpas,
and we are helping guide people. If that soda comes
out of your nose, I get a new car. I'm
just telling you right now. I Oh, so close, guys,
I was so close to soda flying out of fingers nose.
(27:54):
Oh that would have been great.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You know, we are here at Each Drink Smoke expanding
our merch. Yes, I'm currently wearing one of the new
Eat Drink Smoke button ups.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yes, can can we make life shirt of T shirts? Yeah?
Sure that I'll have I will have those done next week.
Not even a question. I'm so happy. Fingers Maloy is
my life shirt. That's going on a T shirt. First
of all, T Drink Smoke, I'm Tony Kats. That is
(28:26):
life shirt. But Fingers muloy good to be with. You
find everything at Eat Drinks smokeshow dot com. It's a
story about how younger generations Joe, we talked about would
you let a sixteen year old vote? Younger generations have
this real failure to launch. I'm not getting out of
the house. I'm not getting jobs. They need parents to
go with them on a job interview. There's just a
total fear of everything, and in a large scale sense,
(28:51):
and it certainly is not true of everybody. I have
real faith in gen z as opposed to millennials. Whe
I have much less faith just based on my observations.
It's totally an observational thing. The story is from The Independent,
where a California mother talked to CNBC about how much
(29:12):
she and her husband pay to financially support their twenty
seven year old daughter. The daughter moved back home in
early twenty twenty four, and she and her husband are
paying an extra five thousand dollars a month fifteen hundred
on food, seven hundred on transportation, four hundred on her
(29:35):
pet cat. So they're no longer going on vacations. He
is considering delaying his retirement. The question before us is
why in the world is it five thousand dollars. Listen,
there could be all sorts of reasons. Your kid has
moved back into the house, all sorts of reasons, but
the kid's just gonna stay there. How does it come
(29:58):
to five thousand dollars? And what is the kid doing?
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So I can only assume, first of all, that fifteen
hundred dollars on food must include a huge amount of
door dash and Uber Eats.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Has to write yeah, because at fifteen hundred dollars a month,
I can feed everybody. Yes, and then some that's that's crazy.
Seven hundred dollars on transportation, okay? Is that you're paying
the car payment and the car insurance or there is
no car payment or car insurance and you're paying ride
share services for because the kid doesn't drive. Yes, which
(30:30):
was a trend. I don't know if that's still a trend.
Kids like not driving afraid to drive.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
It's crazy. It just is so foreign to me. You know,
you and I have talked about it on several occasions.
How it feels like our generation X was like the
last generation that really really had a passion for cars.
And younger kids. Man, it's sometimes nineteen twenty years old
before they get the driver's license. But for seven hundred
dollars on transportation, four hundred dollars on her pet cat,
(30:55):
I can't even imagine unless it's a really sickly cat,
that they're taking the vet all the time, and they've
got some ridiculous prescription food and actual medication that they're
giving the cat. Listen, you you touched on it earlier.
If one of my daughters said to me at twenty three,
(31:18):
twenty four, can I move back in? I have, you know,
a student loan that I want to pay off. I
want to start my own business whatever, and I just
need some help, of course I would say, please come
back home, we'll help.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
If I see them working and they're actually doing it.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, then it's like, Okay, her nose is against the
grindstone and I'm working. And but if it's just this,
but even even in that, you set a standard in it.
My kid has a goal, they're trying to achieve the goal.
They're asking me for help in achieving the goal. I
can help them achieve the goal. I'll do it now.
You could also say you got you got to be
(31:55):
able to manage these things. It might take you longer,
but you've got to do this on your own, right,
depending on the kid and you. But you might say yes,
you might say no.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
But you started with a place of because I would
I would be the I would be the no guy. Yeah,
but you started with the place of you have a goal,
and certainly starting a business, well maybe that's a little
bit different. That's your investment in talking them with the business.
Parents help their kids start businesses all the time. They
are different ways to go about doing that. But in
(32:25):
this situation, and so the story is from CNBC, there's
a growing number of parents who say their children aged
eighteen to thirty five are impacting their finances. Forty percent
of parents say that supporting their adult children has impacted
their saving goals. I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no, no,
(32:52):
no no, no, no, no. And this is certainly there's
a cultural aspect to play. This is a falt of parenting.
And this is a fault to parenting because in yours,
as I said, in your setup, they're after something, they
have a goal that is an ambition, that is a drive,
that is something, and you're like, I can reward that
help that I want to cultivate that. Good on you
(33:15):
and you're doing what you do right. Yeah, if the
kid is like I just I just don't want to work,
I don't understand. It's also very stressful. You don't understand
what it's like. I know what it's going to be
like if I'm seventy four and saying welcome to Walmart.
And there's, by the way, nothing wrong with doing it,
and some people have to do it. There is no
issue with it at all. But if I can set
(33:36):
myself up now to not be doing that, that's what
I want. You don't get to take from me what
I want. That's not good parenting. That's my point.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
The amount of people that I know that are in
their fifties and even early sixties that are making their
adult children's car payments.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
No, you do not, not me. I didn't say you
you don't really know people do.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Absolutely, you do, not to the point where they're actually
working a second.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Job or whatever, because they're treating that. I'm not the no, no,
I'm not making it up. Look me and the eye
and tell me that's real, that's.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Real, working over time because oh my kid needs a
helping hand. And then I ask what kind of car
they're driving?
Speaker 1 (34:22):
A BMW? This is not no this Why are you
still friends with those people?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
I'm serious more of a work acquaintance. But the situation
here with this story or what I'm talking about, it's
one thing. If you break down what you just said earlier,
it said, Okay, you're you're helping them because they have
a goal and they're working to achieve that goal, versus
a sense of entitlement where that's what it feels like here,
five thousand dollars a month.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
How is that even possible? How is that possible? You're
they're living underneath your roof.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
How could they possibly add five thousand dollars unless they're
just sitting back and just with their hand out and
you're willing to put the cash.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
You're there to sacrifice and they're there to take you
love your children. You do take care of your children.
I pay for my kids education and my oldest is working.
We was supposed to be a part time job, it's
now a full time and why did you make it
full time? Well, I want to be able to make
(35:26):
as much as I can and contribute to what I'm
doing for college. And I said that's not happening. You'll
contribute what you can to an IRA or to a fund,
or to stock purchases, to your investments, to your future. No, no, no,
I've got college. You take care of your future. And
my kid looked at me like yeah, But I said,
I'm not having this conversation with you, and I'm not
(35:50):
interested in your opinion on this. I've got this part.
You've got to take care of. You trying to teach
the lesson that you have to focus on your things,
and there will come a time where you have a
kid's take care and.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You will and time is on their side when it
comes to that sort of thing. You get fifty thousand
dollars in some sort of fund by the time you're
thirty years old, and see what it'll be like at
sixty five. That's good parenting. You can't you can't be
a good parent by giving. You have to be a
good parent by giving properly. And sometimes what you have
(36:20):
to give is call it the tough love. Sometimes you
have to give a no. You have to tell them no.
They have to fail to figure out what it means
to succeed. And this story is frightening in every single way.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
You really know somebody doing that. Four hundred dollars in
our pet cat
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