September 20, 2025 • 36 mins
During this Happy Hour, Tony and Fingers review Travelers Point Wheated Bourbon.
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Brazen thieves are walking into hotels and enjoying complimentary buffet breakfasts — and getting away with it. The assassination of Charlie Kirk. What is happening to America?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
A good weeded bourbon.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
That's what will set you right. And so I said, hey, Fingers,
how about a good weeded bourbon? And Fingers said.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
I would enjoy a good weeded bourbon. It's correct answer,
real it was, I would enjoy a good weeded bourbon.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
See Drink Smoke. I'm Tony Katz.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
That right there is fingers below. I find everything at
Eat Drinks Smoke show dot com. Travelers Point, Travelers Point,
Distillery dot com is where we are. This is their
weeded bourbon coming in at ninety seven proof. Oh no, applause,
fingers wiing, no, I want to make sure I have
that right. Forty eight point five times two you carry
(00:40):
the three, take off your shoes, caunt, big toe. That's
a ninety seven proof right there. This is a four
year plus age bourbon. And when you're something is weeded,
that means they've added wheat to the mash bill. And
the wheat usually I had to reach over, tends to
give it a smoother type of feel. According to Traveller's point,
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this is seventy five percent corn. Of course, a bourbon
has to be at least fifty one percent corn. Seventeen
and a half percent wheat and seven and a half
percent malted barley, or I should say barley malt.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Checking the nose on this fingers my way and before.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Anything, that's I wish you almost wish it was a
little bit darker. It's a little more orange than it
is amber. It's more orange than it is honey. So
there's a little bit of depth of character here. It's
a nice look as we have it in the glen
Cairn glass.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It's got the foot bows out comes back in. You
can really concentrate the flavors. I would not say that
that's got a real of his cost and he's sticking
slightly to the glass. What did you get on the nose?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Well, first of all, you said four years plus, yes,
four years three months.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Nice got that right from the nose? He did? Oh,
there is uh you made that up.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
A bit of citrus.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And a bit of a bit of citrus.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
No, that is like Grandma's orange hard candy kind of See.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I have to get in. I have to get my
nose way down there to get anything.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
What.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, stop, and there's a little bit of spice.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Stop it. If I did that, I'd die really, Oh
my god, it would hurt.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Try it. All the kids are doing it. I saw
it on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Dude that you don't get a little bit of ethanol
on that.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You're not getting like a deep kind of kind of
spice going on there.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
There's a spice there. There is citrus and how much else?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Oh, that nose is hitting me hard. But there's a
lot of sweet, not fruit.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Orange sweets is a ton of orange.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I'm trying to fink. I'm trying to talk myself into
there being a little bit of oak there. I'm trying
to talk myself into it.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
You don't get an ethanol either, No, are you okay? No,
we have to we have to take you right now.
Do you smell toast lemony pledge? No, it's not lemony,
It is orange. Yeah, right there. But enough of this Sniffin,
fingers molloy, Are you ready for this?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Enough of this?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Sniffin is one of my favorite country songs.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Nicely done, fingers malloy.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
He's been ready for this all day. Is doing what's
known as the Kentucky chew, taking the juice, moving it
around the palate, getting a feel for it. I believe
in the two SIPs theory. The first sip to set
the taste, but it's the second sip to really get
an idea of the flavors. Right there, fingers that went
down seemingly went down pretty easy for you.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
What say you nice bit of sting on the tongue, gentle,
warmth in the chest, that orange on the nose. It
definitely translates to the palate and I want to say,
there's a little bit of oak there, there's some spice,
and I'm not getting much of anything else. It's it's
not to me what I would It's definitely not a
(04:06):
traditional rye. I'll be interested because you are the rye
guy on eat, drink, smoke. Weed bourbon is not well
that it makes sense. Why did I have it in
my head it's a rye. I was like, I keep
waiting for like this rye spice. I'm like, there's some
(04:27):
spice there, but it's not right.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, then then your palate is not lying because it
is not in any way right.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
This is Traveler's point.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I just said at the beginning of the segment, I
could go for a weeded bourbon.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Right you are, I asked, are you smelling toasts?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Ladies and gentlemen, Let me explain to you the challenges
of getting older. It ain't easy. Go ahead, have a drink.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I've gone in. Uh the traveler's point. We did bourbon ry.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
He's going in, ladies and gentlemen, and he's uh yeah,
he's doing the second I swish. He's doing the Memphis munch,
the Chattanooga chomp, the oh Kentucky che.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Oh oh oh oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
That palette is so sweet in that orange and then
in immediate like it goes dry on the tongue and
it gets it gets a little.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
He's going back in. He's too sip tony ladies and gentlemen.
He's doing the Kentucky chew. It's not a rye.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It gets dry on the tongue, tiny little bit of
heat center chest.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I can imagine people loving this. This is sweeter than
I ever am seventy.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
It makes sense.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
There's a heat build up on the right cheek, weirdly enough,
not the left cheek. Now the heat is all building
through the throat. Oh wow, that is all there.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's like an orange.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
It's not a cinnamon. It's not a cinnamon heat.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't know, I'm all I think that people would
go wild for this if they like the sweeter bourbons,
and I gotta think on a cube, this thing is
just gonna be absolutely orange fruity.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Like I'm trying to think. It's not juicy fruit, right,
it's not that flavor.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It's way more orange than that fruit stripe gum.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Fruit stripe gum was that a thing?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Remember the stripes and you'd bite into it and you
take two chees on the gum and then lose all
of its flavor.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
That was basically all gum.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
No, and they went just recently they stopped making it,
don't you remember? And the the rapper it was a zebra.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
The wrapper was a zebra. I I have absolutely no idea.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
You don't remember fruit stripe gum and the zebra. The
zebra was the Colory fruity showed a Yeah, I'm showing
you that it's a good radio bit, right, fruit stripe,
fruity stripe, bubble gum.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I do not the question, Fingers.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Moloy, is is this in your liquor cabinet?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Fingers withy, I believe I have it right. Forty nine
dollars ninety nine cents. Let's see what it's like with
a little bit of water in it.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, I can appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I don't want to make a harsh judgment here. I
need to reevaluate everything because for some reason I just
went into a Rye mode. And then I was all
confused because I was like, Okay, there's a spice there,
but it's not a Rye spice crab. And then you
corrected me and said, this is a weeded bourbon.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
It's weed bourbon. It's a weeded so or what what
do you think? Do you need to have it on
a cube?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I absolutely have to have it on a cube. It's
so so sweet that little bit of spice hits and
then dissipates right there.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Absolutely ten have to try that on a cube. See
if it's something we're going to do.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Some crimes are more awful than other crimes. Some crimes
need a bigger response, like stealing breakfast, stealing breakfast, stealing breakfast.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I had a joke.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
It was right there the whitwell, and now the witwell
is dry.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Tea drink smoke.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I'm Tony Katz, and that right there is witlessman malloy.
If I could only oh gosh, I ruined the dang joke.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I smell Marconi for this show here's the headline from
the New York Post.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Brazen thieves are walking into hotels and enjoying complimentary buffet
breakfasts and getting away with it.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
My god, the humanity.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
There are Reddit threads because Reddit has everything freeloaders who
talk about, you know, you can go to any mid
class hotel they call it a hampton In holiday in
days in Lakita right around time they start serving breakfast
and the lobby is empty, and you can be like, oh, yeah,
good morning, Oh what a night, And then you just
walk in and uh and take breakfast and people make
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videos of themselves doing it.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
First, arrest those people.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Arrest those people, jail for forever for those people, or
they all have to work the Sunday morning Mother's day.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Shift at ihop for the rest of their lives. It's
one or the other.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I just want to hear the conversation in the jail cell.
What are you in for? Armed robbery? What are you
in for? I stole an omelet from the hampton In.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Honestly, that's gonna get you beaten down for sure. Let's
say people do this, and we all know that people
do this. Of course people do this. There's not a question,
of course, right, I don't check to see, well are
you are you staying at this fine establishment?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Are you staying at the fine Hampton In.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I'm kind of hoping people think that I'm there to
steal the free breakfast, and I'm saying somewhere way nicer.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Well.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
The other thing too, is once you check into a
hotel like that, you can leave with the key card
to the hotel and chances are it's going to have
some sort of corporate logo or whether it's Hilton or
Hampton In, and anybody asks you is flashed, Yeah, here's
my key card. Okay, like someone's gonna thank security.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
We need to authenticate this key. No one has ever asked,
whereas they've never ever asked.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But this woman creates a TikTok video over five million views.
They make it so easy to get the free hotel
breakfast when you're not staying at a hotel. Now, anytime
you see a TikTok video, you have to assume this
is a scam. Anytime you see a TikTok video, you
have to assume that there's a whole Madame Cleo moment,
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that the whole thing is a total fraud.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
They just made it up to get clicks.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
But if you video tape yourself stealing, it has to
be double the jail time.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Whatever the penalty is, double it.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I agree with you that you film that video if
you want to be some sort of TikTok personality at
a hotel you're staying at and you do it legit,
but then you tell everybody on the internet that no,
I was sneaky and I actually went in there and
I and I stole it. But you know what this
reminds me of. You remember, you know how there's for
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a long time, since you know, TikTok started, there have
been these trends, whether it was a tiepot, tide pod stuff,
or the one that was really ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
The tie pod thing was ridiculous too.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
But walking into a grocery store and opening up the
freezer of ice cream section, do you remember that? And
they would take they would open the ice cream like
the ice cream, take a scoop in their hand, and
then they close it and walk off and laugh and
then get shocked when someone tracks them down and arrest
them for it. This is the kind of stuff it
reminds me of. People are seeking out new ways to
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get attention on TikTok and part of it tony to me,
not that I would ever in a million years criticize
social media influencers.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
What being one yourself? Oh that's me. No, No, you're
not an influence. You monitor social media.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Outreg that's what I do. And then I'll show you
on AX. If you you look me up on x
profile at fingers moy, you will see that I'm a
fitness influencer.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
It's the best. So he has this in his bio
and look at him. That's not happening. And he said,
calls hisselves a fitness influencer, and he.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Will get emails saying, hey, we think an influencer, influences
like you would be great to talk about this subject
with our guests, so and so.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah all the time.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Or people pitch themselves to be on the radio show.
And it makes me laugh.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And laugh and laugh and laugh.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
But uh, it is true I'm a fitness influencer. Because
it says so on the internet. Who cares that I
wrote that?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
No, no, no, If it's on the internet, it must be true.
But I want this woman in jail. The people who
do the videos where they're they're prank videos and there,
and they're being violent towards people or trying to menace people.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I want you in jail.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Every time somebody fights back and those people get hurt
and they're screaming it was just a prank, and yet
they still get pummeled. I feel good. It's when they
scream it was just a prank and they don't get pummeled.
That's when I'm upset. And you say to me, Tony,
you're a violence loving guy.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Know. I think people who act like garbage and think that.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
They are entitled to abuse others based on the social contract.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Right, someone's being a total freaking You're just like, dude,
stay away from me. I'm done here. And then they
want to profit off of that. No, no, no, where's
my profit.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
My profit only comes from watching you absolutely lose a tooth,
just just some kind of wetting yourself or or other
type of a fluid leak.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Fluid leak, I for one can't help but think back
to when Allegor invented the Internet and the buzz, the
buzz around how the Internet was going to be a
huge positive influence on society humanity in general, and it
is now compared to back when it was invented. It's
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starting to slide to where it's not negative based on
social media and and stuff like this, where you're thinking
back then, this is gonna benefit society, and then you
see this where you've got people contributing to the downfall
of society making it totally acceptable, sticking it to the
man going into the hotel and stealing the break.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Why we need to go at these people.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
This woman should not be allowed five million views on
TikTok for engaging in a legal activity. She should be
arrested and forced into hard labor, and not hard labor
should be pay per.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Viewed and people who want to buy it can.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And that's how we get the restitution to the hotel
where she stole from. But the restitution has to be
four hundred times what it is that she stole, and
therefore there has to be some good labor because I
need something to laugh.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
At, and that hard labor should be broadcast on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
No, it's it's like you are listening at.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
All full circle circle of social media.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Why should she be rewarded Let's say not her TikTok.
Let's say let's say she made it up Why should
she be rewarded with.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Views, not her TikTok There are other TikTok accounts.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Is it wrong that I want her in jail?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
No?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Because I want her in jail.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I don't if this truly listen, we all know.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I want to be the kind of woman who cries
at her arraignment. So I can laugh and say that
was satisfying.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
You just said that you want to be the kind
of woman that does that.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I want to be the kind of guy who sees
that woman do that. Honestly, I would be that kind
of woman who does that. Like that's how much I
want to see this.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Uh No, I I agree with you that someone like
this needs to be if it encourages this encourages this
type of behavior. We don't need more people stealing in
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
We just need more people being normal in twenty twenty five.
Good luck with that.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, you throw a couple people in jail for when
they admit they broke the law, maybe we stand a chance.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Eat Drink smoke.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It is your cigar bourbon footy extravaganza, Antony Katz.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
That is fingers below.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I find it all at Eat Drink Smoke show at
dot com and so you should. We are smoking these
cubans from Benito's tobacco farm, given to us by our
digital director Sarah, and it has been a lovely smoke.
We don't have a price on these, We don't have
a makeup of a wrapper, binder filler these where we
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estimate as five by fifty robustos. It has had this
this this bit of spice to it, It has had
this little bit of bite to it.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I'm saying it's more mineral. You've argued that it's leather.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I think it's kind of working its way into that
leather and maybe some maybe a little bit of even
hay even.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
It's been a nice smoke, for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
It hasn't been my gosh, it's the greatest thing I've
ever smoked smoke.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
But it's been a nice cigar. It has been.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I don't know if I would go great lengths to
get my hands on one, right, And.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Again, it's not because it's cuban.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
It's that there are so many goods robustos that I
could grab in the nine to fourteen dollars category.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yes, for sure, but.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
It is definitely a cigar that, once you're done with it.
You can at least say to your friends, I just
smoked a cuban.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
That is true.
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Speaker 1 (18:59):
We are drinking travelers points here.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
This is their weeded bourbon, coming in at ninety seven proof,
very very orange, had an interesting kind of spice to it,
created some heat in the cheek and a very dry
tongue finish for everything else still had that very sweet
in your candied orange. You added a little water to yours.
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I added a cube to mine, kept it in the
glen cairnglass. That's water, right, So water brings down proof
and this was ninety seven proof age four years plus.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Water will bring out certain flavors, make certain flavors muted.
That's what it does. It opens up the bourbon.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I suggest that we get you a cube caddy, because
by the time you drop your cube in and we
get to talking, it's melted.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It is melted. It is melted. But I'm going in.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Okay, he's going in, ladies and gentlemen. He's going to
enjoy this weeded bourbon rye and that he is not happy,
not happy at all. I'm oh, hamanahamanahamanahamana, that's what I'm expecting.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
What's talk to me, Talk to me, pally God, that
got bitter. Really, it wiped out all of the orange,
and the orange is now.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
On the finish. That's not right. It's not the way
nature intended it. Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Oh oh, by the way, I think one of the
flavors you're you're like is is that I forget what
you said it was, what the flavor was.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I think there is a little bit of cocoa going
on in there. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It's not a coffee. It's if there is an oak.
It's it's very very very subtle.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
That did not it did. It played better neat, but
it was just too sweet for me. Neat.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
That did not play well in a cube at all.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
So you're saying that whatever coffee that is to you,
it's hitting you like Folgers crystals.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
If it was Folger's crystals, I'd be happy. That's chockful
of nuts. It's never unfunny. He's taking his sip. He
had it a little bit of water again, just open
it up. See what you I'm not insane, am I?
The why is weird? Like it took away all the
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fun stuff? Is that soap? Dude? We're just being rude
at this point? Can we not? Can we not be rude?
But it did.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It took away everything that was super interesting about the bourbon.
And it was very very sweet. Like I'm not I
don't like it that sweet.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I want more oak. But I could see how neat
some people would do it. I could totally get that.
The cube experience has just been horrific. I wonder if
I got to put more in there.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Maybe the problem is it's too deluded while I'm putting
it in the Glenn Cairen glass and I gotta really.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Fill a poor in a Rocks glass in order to
get your right. Yeah all right, oh yeah, fine, you
say that.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
No, I'm I'm fine, And I regret saying beause that's
soap because I went for hum. It was a cheap shot.
It was a cheap shot, and I apologize, and I apologize,
but I'm at a no for in my liquor cabinet.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's forty nine ninety nine. I am also a no neat.
It is actually an interesting drink that that orange.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Is everywhere it was.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
It was a little overwhelming for me and I got
more ethanol in the nose than Fingers, who got absolutely nothing.
But I think I got to try it Rocks, Glass Cube,
Big Rock and see if that makes a difference, because
it took away the suite that made it interesting and
just left it as it left.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
It bitter and that is just not absolutely not where
I want to be. I want to get to News
of the Week.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
The question is do you want to do it now
how we were going to do it, or do you
want to do it in a little bit Fingers Maloy,
how do you how do you want to hit this?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Why don't we just go ahead and dive right in
and if we have to touch on it in the
next day as well, we'll continue this.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
As we discussed, this has been a week, not only
the week of the twenty fourth anniversary of September eleventh,
but the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Now we don't really
engage politics on the show here Charlie Kirk found a
turning point USA on the political rights would do those
college tours in encouraging college students. He had a really
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incredible following, truly incredible. He was speaking at Utah Valley University.
He was shot as we're speaking to you. The suspect
has still not been apprehended. The video of the shooting
is horrific, and he died.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
He was thirty one.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
He leaves behind a wife and two very small children.
Fingers Moilloy and I have been in this movement, political
movement for years. How we met, how we know each other,
and we have both spoken an event, and we have
both spoken in front of large crowds and small crowds,
and we would never think anybody would believe that we
would have the popularity of Charlie Kirk. That said, everybody
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who is in our world, in the political world, is
looking at this and saying, my god, this does indeed
change at all, And everyone says everyone can be a target.
We're all fully aware of this. This isn't like speaking
and saying, oh, well is us. This is a horrifying
thing that took place. Some of the reactions are even
more horrifying, but I think the first thing here is
(24:31):
that to the extent that political assassinations or attempted assassinations happened,
like we saw in President Trump in twenty twenty four Butler, Pennsylvania,
there's a history of that in the United States. Political commentator.
The rubicon has been crossed fingers and that's where you've
been on this subject with the true belief that nothing's.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Going to be the same.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
No, nothing is going to be the same, especially if
you are in any kind of work that involves sharing
your opinion online or on the radio. Charlie Kirk had
his radio show he you know, like you said, he
did these these college tours. We have talked on several
occasions about what is going on in college campuses right now.
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The hecket's gotten to the point where comedians, they're not
worried about violence, but they're worried to go on college
campuses today because of the negative reaction you get from
telling a joke. We have no idea if this was
this the shooter was actually affiliated with the University of
It was a student or not so far, like you said,
(25:38):
As we are broadcasting at this time, there has been
a photo released in the description of the shooter said
that he looks like he's college age. That's able to
you know, to be able to blend in with the
people on the campus. But like you said, that's all
we have. But you know, I can't help think over
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the years of the people that I've talked to, the
people that I've interacted with, who I've become friends with,
and I can't help but think about how this changes
everything and how they feel about their personal safety and
their families as well. And of course, our hearts, our
thoughts and our prayers go out to Charlie's family. Like
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you said, he married with two small children.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I do want to dig in a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
We're gonna take a little bit of time with this
about how the effect is personal, because I.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Don't think it is.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Relegated to well, the rubicon has been crossed and it
could be any of us. I argue it could be
any of us in a much grander, grander sense that
it can clearly and easily be not just somebody who
speaks on radio or podcasts, but someone who posts on
social media, eat, drink, smoke. Tony Katz Fingers malloy as
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we discussed what happened in Utah and the assassination of
Charlie Kirk. Now, I think first it's kind of gotten
people a little bit weird about you take somebody who
isn't the politician, isn't the world leader. Charlie Kirk was
killed while speaking at Utah Valley University, and people say assassination.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
But that's very much seems to be what it is.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
This wasn't a mugging, this wasn't a robbery. This wasn't
you know, a stabbing. This was somebody who was on
a rooftop. We know that part for fact, there was
a single action, a bolt action rifle. I should say
we know that part for fact, there are things inscribed
on the ammunition on the showcasings.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
We know that for fact that all had political ties
to it.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So since he was clearly killed for something political, political belief,
political philosophy, political support of the political right, I think
assassination applies here.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I think that you can utilize the term.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I was making the points just before, and if you
missed any part of this, the podcast is therefore you
wherever it is you get your podcasts. Fingers mologne that
this isn't just about those of us on radio Look,
we've talked about safety and security at events that I do.
You know, I have events here in Central Indiana. We
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have a few hundred people, two three hundred people at
every event. I've got police there. I absolutely have that
at every event I do. It is now written into
events I do, it must be provided me. I'm I'm
not in any way big enough for that, except it
has to happen now. The no amount of security was
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going to stop this guy. This guy perched up on
a roof and had an angle and everything else. You
would have had to have bulletproof glass and all sorts
of things to try and stop this.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
But I don't think that this new phase, fingers is.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Just about those of us who might be in a
more of a public eye speaking about political things or
cultural things.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Anybody who he drinks smoke nation, who writes.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
A Facebook post that somebody else doesn't like or finds offensive,
aren't I mean, that's what we're saying here, and with
a bunch of people not really condemning this in any
level of strong way. Some have on both sides of
the aisle. Some on one side of the aisle have
cheered it. It's been really ugly. Some have just kind
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of said, well, there's a guy by named Matthew Dowd
who appears on MSNBC, and he said an hour after
this happened, well, if you say hateful things, you should
spectatful things to happen. He got fired by MSNBC and
good on MSNBC for doing so. But this can play
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to anybody who's making a statement somewhere or putting a
post up somewhere.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah, because also in twenty twenty five, what has happened
is what used to be considered lively debate, rhetoric and
lively debate maybe twenty years ago, has now been twisted
into saying, if you're having a lively debate, if your
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words are words that I disagree with, that's hate and
that's hateful. You package that in a way that makes
honest political dialogue and debate into hate speech, then that
takes you down a path where some say to themselves,
(30:57):
if this person is hateful, something should be done about that.
It's really troubling. And social media. We joke about social
media all the time. YEA, social media has made this
so much worse?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Is this the reason to walk from it? Do you
walk from social media at the stage of the game.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Is there any value in it because there are people
still profiting of it, people still sharing on it, and
maybe while you're there you can kind of.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Counter some of the madness.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
It depends on how good you are at using social
media and filters. If you're getting a I get on
Instagram a lot for food recipes. If you want to
filter out Democrat, Republican name, whatever hot button issue, you
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can do that, filter out those words and hopefully that
will adjust your feed. If you feel like you need
to take a break from that part of social media
but still need to get your social media fixed, I
would argue that while I think it is good to
do that from time to time, you can't fully ignore
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what's going on in the world and how people are
talking to each other. I don't think that that is
beneficial either, because you're just putting your head in the sand.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Did social media make things worse?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Or did social media allow the bad people to more
amplify the horrific voice. We're not talking about whether or
not we agree with each other. That is not the
argument that either one of us are making. Disagree with
me politically, all you wish it is fine, it is
saying that somehow I'm keeping us from democracy. I want
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to destroy the country. It's calling me a Nazi. And
every time you call the Jewish guy a Nazi. It's
super weird, but it happens all the time. Sometimes before
six point thirty in the morning, someone's like, just good morning.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Nazi, and you're like, I just I haven't I haven't
had coffee yet. How are you? How do you have
this time?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Don't even call me Nazi until I have my first
cup of coffee.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
True enough, fact.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
It's it's I don't blame social media to the extent
that there have always been terrible people. You can talk
about social media emboldening terrible people though, giving them space
to move and operate. But we also see it on
cable news, and we also see it in print, and
we also see it in culture.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I would argue that it was a one two punch
of social media and COVID. COVID was the steroids to
all of this, and it feels like people's behavior has
gotten ten times worse on social social media after the
whole COVID and COVID lockdown, you know that we went through.
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It feels like an emboldened people to not have that
filter that they used to have and say, Okay, listen,
I'm really angry right now, but I don't want to
put this out on the internet, and went from that
to it feels like after that happened, I'm putting every
angry thought. Every time I'm bothered, I'm throwing it on
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social media and I don't care what anybody thinks.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
So again I go back to this cultural issue of
people believing then because they feel a certain way, other
people have to act a certain way, and I don't
believe that to be true. You can't say that it
offends me. My job is not to worry about your offense.
What offends me is not being able to speak freely.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
That offends me.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
And if you don't care about that and I don't
care about you, that's actually the way it's supposed to work.
There's a real unique argument for the value of selfishness
in a free society. You get to say what you
want to say. I get to say what I want
to say. I can't encourage people to harm you. You
can't encourage people to harm me.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
We do have rules.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
We are not a nation of free speech absolutism. There
are certain rules to the road. But the issue, I
think is the fostering of this idea that your feelings matter,
they count, no one can discount them. Mean, you can
speak about the mantime you want, and here's how you feel,
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here's what this person's doing. It's not real, but it's
how you win an election. It's not real, but it's
how you gin up opposition to them. And we have
This is the part going back to George Bush, going
back to how the George Bush I'll gore.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Election went and hanging chads and all that jazz.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I think that's where you lead to the birth of
this newest insanity, which twenty five years later is now
leading to people being assassinated while speaking and debating a
crowd of thousands.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
And what's sad is you ask yourself, what is it
going to take to turn the temperature down? And I
don't think that it's ever gonna get better.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
It's not that I don't think it's ever gonna get better.
It's just that I don't think there is anything to turn.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
It's the switch.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I believe that the only way out is through, and
we're in the dark time right now in this and
the only way to get through it is to keep
being rational, keep being normal, head on a swivel. The
people who do this stuff need to be prosecuted in
ways we can't even describe. And you got to teach
your kids that it's okay if somebody disagrees with you,
it's absolutely okay. It's not the end of society, and
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those people should not be hurt. Sometimes you have to
teach it to your sister in law too, that's fact.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
The Travelers point.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
We did Bourbon forty nine to ninety nine a bottle.
If you like that orange, try it neat for sure,
enjoy that. Find everything we do at EA Drink Smoke
show dot com.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
This is Etrink Smoke
A good weeded bourbon.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
That's what will set you right. And so I said, hey, Fingers,
how about a good weeded bourbon? And Fingers said.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
I would enjoy a good weeded bourbon. It's correct answer,
real it was, I would enjoy a good weeded bourbon.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
See Drink Smoke. I'm Tony Katz.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
That right there is fingers below. I find everything at
Eat Drinks Smoke show dot com. Travelers Point, Travelers Point,
Distillery dot com is where we are. This is their
weeded bourbon coming in at ninety seven proof. Oh no, applause,
fingers wiing, no, I want to make sure I have
that right. Forty eight point five times two you carry
(00:40):
the three, take off your shoes, caunt, big toe. That's
a ninety seven proof right there. This is a four
year plus age bourbon. And when you're something is weeded,
that means they've added wheat to the mash bill. And
the wheat usually I had to reach over, tends to
give it a smoother type of feel. According to Traveller's point,
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this is seventy five percent corn. Of course, a bourbon
has to be at least fifty one percent corn. Seventeen
and a half percent wheat and seven and a half
percent malted barley, or I should say barley malt.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Checking the nose on this fingers my way and before.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Anything, that's I wish you almost wish it was a
little bit darker. It's a little more orange than it
is amber. It's more orange than it is honey. So
there's a little bit of depth of character here. It's
a nice look as we have it in the glen
Cairn glass.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It's got the foot bows out comes back in. You
can really concentrate the flavors. I would not say that
that's got a real of his cost and he's sticking
slightly to the glass. What did you get on the nose?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Well, first of all, you said four years plus, yes,
four years three months.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Nice got that right from the nose? He did? Oh,
there is uh you made that up.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
A bit of citrus.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And a bit of a bit of citrus.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
No, that is like Grandma's orange hard candy kind of See.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I have to get in. I have to get my
nose way down there to get anything.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
What.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, stop, and there's a little bit of spice.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Stop it. If I did that, I'd die really, Oh
my god, it would hurt.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Try it. All the kids are doing it. I saw
it on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Dude that you don't get a little bit of ethanol
on that.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You're not getting like a deep kind of kind of
spice going on there.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
There's a spice there. There is citrus and how much else?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Oh, that nose is hitting me hard. But there's a
lot of sweet, not fruit.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Orange sweets is a ton of orange.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I'm trying to fink. I'm trying to talk myself into
there being a little bit of oak there. I'm trying
to talk myself into it.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
You don't get an ethanol either, No, are you okay? No,
we have to we have to take you right now.
Do you smell toast lemony pledge? No, it's not lemony,
It is orange. Yeah, right there. But enough of this Sniffin,
fingers molloy, Are you ready for this?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Enough of this?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Sniffin is one of my favorite country songs.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Nicely done, fingers malloy.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
He's been ready for this all day. Is doing what's
known as the Kentucky chew, taking the juice, moving it
around the palate, getting a feel for it. I believe
in the two SIPs theory. The first sip to set
the taste, but it's the second sip to really get
an idea of the flavors. Right there, fingers that went
down seemingly went down pretty easy for you.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
What say you nice bit of sting on the tongue, gentle,
warmth in the chest, that orange on the nose. It
definitely translates to the palate and I want to say,
there's a little bit of oak there, there's some spice,
and I'm not getting much of anything else. It's it's
not to me what I would It's definitely not a
(04:06):
traditional rye. I'll be interested because you are the rye
guy on eat, drink, smoke. Weed bourbon is not well
that it makes sense. Why did I have it in
my head it's a rye. I was like, I keep
waiting for like this rye spice. I'm like, there's some
(04:27):
spice there, but it's not right.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, then then your palate is not lying because it
is not in any way right.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
This is Traveler's point.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I just said at the beginning of the segment, I
could go for a weeded bourbon.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Right you are, I asked, are you smelling toasts?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Ladies and gentlemen, Let me explain to you the challenges
of getting older. It ain't easy. Go ahead, have a drink.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I've gone in. Uh the traveler's point. We did bourbon ry.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
He's going in, ladies and gentlemen, and he's uh yeah,
he's doing the second I swish. He's doing the Memphis munch,
the Chattanooga chomp, the oh Kentucky che.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Oh oh oh oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
That palette is so sweet in that orange and then
in immediate like it goes dry on the tongue and
it gets it gets a little.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
He's going back in. He's too sip tony ladies and gentlemen.
He's doing the Kentucky chew. It's not a rye.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It gets dry on the tongue, tiny little bit of
heat center chest.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I can imagine people loving this. This is sweeter than
I ever am seventy.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
It makes sense.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
There's a heat build up on the right cheek, weirdly enough,
not the left cheek. Now the heat is all building
through the throat. Oh wow, that is all there.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's like an orange.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
It's not a cinnamon. It's not a cinnamon heat.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't know, I'm all I think that people would
go wild for this if they like the sweeter bourbons,
and I gotta think on a cube, this thing is
just gonna be absolutely orange fruity.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Like I'm trying to think. It's not juicy fruit, right,
it's not that flavor.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It's way more orange than that fruit stripe gum.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Fruit stripe gum was that a thing?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Remember the stripes and you'd bite into it and you
take two chees on the gum and then lose all
of its flavor.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
That was basically all gum.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
No, and they went just recently they stopped making it,
don't you remember? And the the rapper it was a zebra.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
The wrapper was a zebra. I I have absolutely no idea.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
You don't remember fruit stripe gum and the zebra. The
zebra was the Colory fruity showed a Yeah, I'm showing
you that it's a good radio bit, right, fruit stripe,
fruity stripe, bubble gum.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I do not the question, Fingers.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Moloy, is is this in your liquor cabinet?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Fingers withy, I believe I have it right. Forty nine
dollars ninety nine cents. Let's see what it's like with
a little bit of water in it.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, I can appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I don't want to make a harsh judgment here. I
need to reevaluate everything because for some reason I just
went into a Rye mode. And then I was all
confused because I was like, Okay, there's a spice there,
but it's not a Rye spice crab. And then you
corrected me and said, this is a weeded bourbon.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
It's weed bourbon. It's a weeded so or what what
do you think? Do you need to have it on
a cube?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I absolutely have to have it on a cube. It's
so so sweet that little bit of spice hits and
then dissipates right there.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Absolutely ten have to try that on a cube. See
if it's something we're going to do.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Some crimes are more awful than other crimes. Some crimes
need a bigger response, like stealing breakfast, stealing breakfast, stealing breakfast.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I had a joke.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
It was right there the whitwell, and now the witwell
is dry.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Tea drink smoke.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I'm Tony Katz, and that right there is witlessman malloy.
If I could only oh gosh, I ruined the dang joke.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I smell Marconi for this show here's the headline from
the New York Post.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Brazen thieves are walking into hotels and enjoying complimentary buffet
breakfasts and getting away with it.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
My god, the humanity.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
There are Reddit threads because Reddit has everything freeloaders who
talk about, you know, you can go to any mid
class hotel they call it a hampton In holiday in
days in Lakita right around time they start serving breakfast
and the lobby is empty, and you can be like, oh, yeah,
good morning, Oh what a night, And then you just
walk in and uh and take breakfast and people make
(09:53):
videos of themselves doing it.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
First, arrest those people.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Arrest those people, jail for forever for those people, or
they all have to work the Sunday morning Mother's day.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Shift at ihop for the rest of their lives. It's
one or the other.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I just want to hear the conversation in the jail cell.
What are you in for? Armed robbery? What are you
in for? I stole an omelet from the hampton In.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Honestly, that's gonna get you beaten down for sure. Let's
say people do this, and we all know that people
do this. Of course people do this. There's not a question,
of course, right, I don't check to see, well are
you are you staying at this fine establishment?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Are you staying at the fine Hampton In.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I'm kind of hoping people think that I'm there to
steal the free breakfast, and I'm saying somewhere way nicer.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Well.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
The other thing too, is once you check into a
hotel like that, you can leave with the key card
to the hotel and chances are it's going to have
some sort of corporate logo or whether it's Hilton or
Hampton In, and anybody asks you is flashed, Yeah, here's
my key card. Okay, like someone's gonna thank security.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
We need to authenticate this key. No one has ever asked,
whereas they've never ever asked.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But this woman creates a TikTok video over five million views.
They make it so easy to get the free hotel
breakfast when you're not staying at a hotel. Now, anytime
you see a TikTok video, you have to assume this
is a scam. Anytime you see a TikTok video, you
have to assume that there's a whole Madame Cleo moment,
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that the whole thing is a total fraud.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
They just made it up to get clicks.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
But if you video tape yourself stealing, it has to
be double the jail time.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Whatever the penalty is, double it.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I agree with you that you film that video if
you want to be some sort of TikTok personality at
a hotel you're staying at and you do it legit,
but then you tell everybody on the internet that no,
I was sneaky and I actually went in there and
I and I stole it. But you know what this
reminds me of. You remember, you know how there's for
(12:12):
a long time, since you know, TikTok started, there have
been these trends, whether it was a tiepot, tide pod stuff,
or the one that was really ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
The tie pod thing was ridiculous too.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
But walking into a grocery store and opening up the
freezer of ice cream section, do you remember that? And
they would take they would open the ice cream like
the ice cream, take a scoop in their hand, and
then they close it and walk off and laugh and
then get shocked when someone tracks them down and arrest
them for it. This is the kind of stuff it
reminds me of. People are seeking out new ways to
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get attention on TikTok and part of it tony to me,
not that I would ever in a million years criticize
social media influencers.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
What being one yourself? Oh that's me. No, No, you're
not an influence. You monitor social media.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Outreg that's what I do. And then I'll show you
on AX. If you you look me up on x
profile at fingers moy, you will see that I'm a
fitness influencer.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
It's the best. So he has this in his bio
and look at him. That's not happening. And he said,
calls hisselves a fitness influencer, and he.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Will get emails saying, hey, we think an influencer, influences
like you would be great to talk about this subject
with our guests, so and so.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah all the time.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Or people pitch themselves to be on the radio show.
And it makes me laugh.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And laugh and laugh and laugh.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
But uh, it is true I'm a fitness influencer. Because
it says so on the internet. Who cares that I
wrote that?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
No, no, no, If it's on the internet, it must be true.
But I want this woman in jail. The people who
do the videos where they're they're prank videos and there,
and they're being violent towards people or trying to menace people.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I want you in jail.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Every time somebody fights back and those people get hurt
and they're screaming it was just a prank, and yet
they still get pummeled. I feel good. It's when they
scream it was just a prank and they don't get pummeled.
That's when I'm upset. And you say to me, Tony,
you're a violence loving guy.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Know. I think people who act like garbage and think that.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
They are entitled to abuse others based on the social contract.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Right, someone's being a total freaking You're just like, dude,
stay away from me. I'm done here. And then they
want to profit off of that. No, no, no, where's
my profit.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
My profit only comes from watching you absolutely lose a tooth,
just just some kind of wetting yourself or or other
type of a fluid leak.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Fluid leak, I for one can't help but think back
to when Allegor invented the Internet and the buzz, the
buzz around how the Internet was going to be a
huge positive influence on society humanity in general, and it
is now compared to back when it was invented. It's
(15:11):
starting to slide to where it's not negative based on
social media and and stuff like this, where you're thinking
back then, this is gonna benefit society, and then you
see this where you've got people contributing to the downfall
of society making it totally acceptable, sticking it to the
man going into the hotel and stealing the break.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Why we need to go at these people.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
This woman should not be allowed five million views on
TikTok for engaging in a legal activity. She should be
arrested and forced into hard labor, and not hard labor
should be pay per.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Viewed and people who want to buy it can.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And that's how we get the restitution to the hotel
where she stole from. But the restitution has to be
four hundred times what it is that she stole, and
therefore there has to be some good labor because I
need something to laugh.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
At, and that hard labor should be broadcast on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
No, it's it's like you are listening at.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
All full circle circle of social media.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Why should she be rewarded Let's say not her TikTok.
Let's say let's say she made it up Why should
she be rewarded with.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Views, not her TikTok There are other TikTok accounts.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Is it wrong that I want her in jail?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
No?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Because I want her in jail.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I don't if this truly listen, we all know.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I want to be the kind of woman who cries
at her arraignment. So I can laugh and say that
was satisfying.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
You just said that you want to be the kind
of woman that does that.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I want to be the kind of guy who sees
that woman do that. Honestly, I would be that kind
of woman who does that. Like that's how much I
want to see this.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Uh No, I I agree with you that someone like
this needs to be if it encourages this encourages this
type of behavior. We don't need more people stealing in
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
We just need more people being normal in twenty twenty five.
Good luck with that.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Well, you throw a couple people in jail for when
they admit they broke the law, maybe we stand a chance.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Eat Drink smoke.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It is your cigar bourbon footy extravaganza, Antony Katz.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
That is fingers below.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I find it all at Eat Drink Smoke show at
dot com and so you should. We are smoking these
cubans from Benito's tobacco farm, given to us by our
digital director Sarah, and it has been a lovely smoke.
We don't have a price on these, We don't have
a makeup of a wrapper, binder filler these where we
(17:48):
estimate as five by fifty robustos. It has had this
this this bit of spice to it, It has had
this little bit of bite to it.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I'm saying it's more mineral. You've argued that it's leather.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I think it's kind of working its way into that
leather and maybe some maybe a little bit of even
hay even.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
It's been a nice smoke, for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
It hasn't been my gosh, it's the greatest thing I've
ever smoked smoke.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
But it's been a nice cigar. It has been.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I don't know if I would go great lengths to
get my hands on one, right, And.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Again, it's not because it's cuban.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
It's that there are so many goods robustos that I
could grab in the nine to fourteen dollars category.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yes, for sure, but.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
It is definitely a cigar that, once you're done with it.
You can at least say to your friends, I just
smoked a cuban.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
That is true.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And if you missed any of our conversations about cubans
and whether or not you should be doing it, be.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Sure to check out the podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Subscribe wherever it is you get your podcasts Eat Drink
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Speaker 1 (18:59):
We are drinking travelers points here.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
This is their weeded bourbon, coming in at ninety seven proof,
very very orange, had an interesting kind of spice to it,
created some heat in the cheek and a very dry
tongue finish for everything else still had that very sweet
in your candied orange. You added a little water to yours.
(19:22):
I added a cube to mine, kept it in the
glen cairnglass. That's water, right, So water brings down proof
and this was ninety seven proof age four years plus.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Water will bring out certain flavors, make certain flavors muted.
That's what it does. It opens up the bourbon.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I suggest that we get you a cube caddy, because
by the time you drop your cube in and we
get to talking, it's melted.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
It is melted. It is melted. But I'm going in.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Okay, he's going in, ladies and gentlemen. He's going to
enjoy this weeded bourbon rye and that he is not happy,
not happy at all. I'm oh, hamanahamanahamanahamana, that's what I'm expecting.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
What's talk to me, Talk to me, pally God, that
got bitter. Really, it wiped out all of the orange,
and the orange is now.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
On the finish. That's not right. It's not the way
nature intended it. Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Oh oh, by the way, I think one of the
flavors you're you're like is is that I forget what
you said it was, what the flavor was.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I think there is a little bit of cocoa going
on in there. I'm not.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It's not a coffee. It's if there is an oak.
It's it's very very very subtle.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
That did not it did. It played better neat, but
it was just too sweet for me. Neat.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
That did not play well in a cube at all.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
So you're saying that whatever coffee that is to you,
it's hitting you like Folgers crystals.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
If it was Folger's crystals, I'd be happy. That's chockful
of nuts. It's never unfunny. He's taking his sip. He
had it a little bit of water again, just open
it up. See what you I'm not insane, am I?
The why is weird? Like it took away all the
(21:13):
fun stuff? Is that soap? Dude? We're just being rude
at this point? Can we not? Can we not be rude?
But it did.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It took away everything that was super interesting about the bourbon.
And it was very very sweet. Like I'm not I
don't like it that sweet.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I want more oak. But I could see how neat
some people would do it. I could totally get that.
The cube experience has just been horrific. I wonder if
I got to put more in there.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Maybe the problem is it's too deluded while I'm putting
it in the Glenn Cairen glass and I gotta really.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Fill a poor in a Rocks glass in order to
get your right. Yeah all right, oh yeah, fine, you
say that.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
No, I'm I'm fine, And I regret saying beause that's
soap because I went for hum. It was a cheap shot.
It was a cheap shot, and I apologize, and I apologize,
but I'm at a no for in my liquor cabinet.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's forty nine ninety nine. I am also a no neat.
It is actually an interesting drink that that orange.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Is everywhere it was.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
It was a little overwhelming for me and I got
more ethanol in the nose than Fingers, who got absolutely nothing.
But I think I got to try it Rocks, Glass Cube,
Big Rock and see if that makes a difference, because
it took away the suite that made it interesting and
just left it as it left.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
It bitter and that is just not absolutely not where
I want to be. I want to get to News
of the Week.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
The question is do you want to do it now
how we were going to do it, or do you
want to do it in a little bit Fingers Maloy,
how do you how do you want to hit this?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Why don't we just go ahead and dive right in
and if we have to touch on it in the
next day as well, we'll continue this.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
As we discussed, this has been a week, not only
the week of the twenty fourth anniversary of September eleventh,
but the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Now we don't really
engage politics on the show here Charlie Kirk found a
turning point USA on the political rights would do those
college tours in encouraging college students. He had a really
(23:25):
incredible following, truly incredible. He was speaking at Utah Valley University.
He was shot as we're speaking to you. The suspect
has still not been apprehended. The video of the shooting
is horrific, and he died.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
He was thirty one.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
He leaves behind a wife and two very small children.
Fingers Moilloy and I have been in this movement, political
movement for years. How we met, how we know each other,
and we have both spoken an event, and we have
both spoken in front of large crowds and small crowds,
and we would never think anybody would believe that we
would have the popularity of Charlie Kirk. That said, everybody
(24:07):
who is in our world, in the political world, is
looking at this and saying, my god, this does indeed
change at all, And everyone says everyone can be a target.
We're all fully aware of this. This isn't like speaking
and saying, oh, well is us. This is a horrifying
thing that took place. Some of the reactions are even
more horrifying, but I think the first thing here is
(24:31):
that to the extent that political assassinations or attempted assassinations happened,
like we saw in President Trump in twenty twenty four Butler, Pennsylvania,
there's a history of that in the United States. Political commentator.
The rubicon has been crossed fingers and that's where you've
been on this subject with the true belief that nothing's.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Going to be the same.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
No, nothing is going to be the same, especially if
you are in any kind of work that involves sharing
your opinion online or on the radio. Charlie Kirk had
his radio show he you know, like you said, he
did these these college tours. We have talked on several
occasions about what is going on in college campuses right now.
(25:17):
The hecket's gotten to the point where comedians, they're not
worried about violence, but they're worried to go on college
campuses today because of the negative reaction you get from
telling a joke. We have no idea if this was
this the shooter was actually affiliated with the University of
It was a student or not so far, like you said,
(25:38):
As we are broadcasting at this time, there has been
a photo released in the description of the shooter said
that he looks like he's college age. That's able to
you know, to be able to blend in with the
people on the campus. But like you said, that's all
we have. But you know, I can't help think over
(26:00):
the years of the people that I've talked to, the
people that I've interacted with, who I've become friends with,
and I can't help but think about how this changes
everything and how they feel about their personal safety and
their families as well. And of course, our hearts, our
thoughts and our prayers go out to Charlie's family. Like
(26:23):
you said, he married with two small children.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
I do want to dig in a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
We're gonna take a little bit of time with this
about how the effect is personal, because I.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Don't think it is.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Relegated to well, the rubicon has been crossed and it
could be any of us. I argue it could be
any of us in a much grander, grander sense that
it can clearly and easily be not just somebody who
speaks on radio or podcasts, but someone who posts on
social media, eat, drink, smoke. Tony Katz Fingers malloy as
(27:05):
we discussed what happened in Utah and the assassination of
Charlie Kirk. Now, I think first it's kind of gotten
people a little bit weird about you take somebody who
isn't the politician, isn't the world leader. Charlie Kirk was
killed while speaking at Utah Valley University, and people say assassination.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
But that's very much seems to be what it is.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
This wasn't a mugging, this wasn't a robbery. This wasn't
you know, a stabbing. This was somebody who was on
a rooftop. We know that part for fact, there was
a single action, a bolt action rifle. I should say
we know that part for fact, there are things inscribed
on the ammunition on the showcasings.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
We know that for fact that all had political ties
to it.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
So since he was clearly killed for something political, political belief,
political philosophy, political support of the political right, I think
assassination applies here.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I think that you can utilize the term.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I was making the points just before, and if you
missed any part of this, the podcast is therefore you
wherever it is you get your podcasts. Fingers mologne that
this isn't just about those of us on radio Look,
we've talked about safety and security at events that I do.
You know, I have events here in Central Indiana. We
(28:34):
have a few hundred people, two three hundred people at
every event. I've got police there. I absolutely have that
at every event I do. It is now written into
events I do, it must be provided me. I'm I'm
not in any way big enough for that, except it
has to happen now. The no amount of security was
(28:58):
going to stop this guy. This guy perched up on
a roof and had an angle and everything else. You
would have had to have bulletproof glass and all sorts
of things to try and stop this.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
But I don't think that this new phase, fingers is.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Just about those of us who might be in a
more of a public eye speaking about political things or
cultural things.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Anybody who he drinks smoke nation, who writes.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
A Facebook post that somebody else doesn't like or finds offensive,
aren't I mean, that's what we're saying here, and with
a bunch of people not really condemning this in any
level of strong way. Some have on both sides of
the aisle. Some on one side of the aisle have
cheered it. It's been really ugly. Some have just kind
(29:48):
of said, well, there's a guy by named Matthew Dowd
who appears on MSNBC, and he said an hour after
this happened, well, if you say hateful things, you should
spectatful things to happen. He got fired by MSNBC and
good on MSNBC for doing so. But this can play
(30:10):
to anybody who's making a statement somewhere or putting a
post up somewhere.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah, because also in twenty twenty five, what has happened
is what used to be considered lively debate, rhetoric and
lively debate maybe twenty years ago, has now been twisted
into saying, if you're having a lively debate, if your
(30:36):
words are words that I disagree with, that's hate and
that's hateful. You package that in a way that makes
honest political dialogue and debate into hate speech, then that
takes you down a path where some say to themselves,
(30:57):
if this person is hateful, something should be done about that.
It's really troubling. And social media. We joke about social
media all the time. YEA, social media has made this
so much worse?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Is this the reason to walk from it? Do you
walk from social media at the stage of the game.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Is there any value in it because there are people
still profiting of it, people still sharing on it, and
maybe while you're there you can kind of.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Counter some of the madness.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
It depends on how good you are at using social
media and filters. If you're getting a I get on
Instagram a lot for food recipes. If you want to
filter out Democrat, Republican name, whatever hot button issue, you
(31:44):
can do that, filter out those words and hopefully that
will adjust your feed. If you feel like you need
to take a break from that part of social media
but still need to get your social media fixed, I
would argue that while I think it is good to
do that from time to time, you can't fully ignore
(32:08):
what's going on in the world and how people are
talking to each other. I don't think that that is
beneficial either, because you're just putting your head in the sand.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Did social media make things worse?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Or did social media allow the bad people to more
amplify the horrific voice. We're not talking about whether or
not we agree with each other. That is not the
argument that either one of us are making. Disagree with
me politically, all you wish it is fine, it is
saying that somehow I'm keeping us from democracy. I want
(32:48):
to destroy the country. It's calling me a Nazi. And
every time you call the Jewish guy a Nazi. It's
super weird, but it happens all the time. Sometimes before
six point thirty in the morning, someone's like, just good morning.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Nazi, and you're like, I just I haven't I haven't
had coffee yet. How are you? How do you have
this time?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Don't even call me Nazi until I have my first
cup of coffee.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
True enough, fact.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
It's it's I don't blame social media to the extent
that there have always been terrible people. You can talk
about social media emboldening terrible people though, giving them space
to move and operate. But we also see it on
cable news, and we also see it in print, and
we also see it in culture.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I would argue that it was a one two punch
of social media and COVID. COVID was the steroids to
all of this, and it feels like people's behavior has
gotten ten times worse on social social media after the
whole COVID and COVID lockdown, you know that we went through.
(33:54):
It feels like an emboldened people to not have that
filter that they used to have and say, Okay, listen,
I'm really angry right now, but I don't want to
put this out on the internet, and went from that
to it feels like after that happened, I'm putting every
angry thought. Every time I'm bothered, I'm throwing it on
(34:14):
social media and I don't care what anybody thinks.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
So again I go back to this cultural issue of
people believing then because they feel a certain way, other
people have to act a certain way, and I don't
believe that to be true. You can't say that it
offends me. My job is not to worry about your offense.
What offends me is not being able to speak freely.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
That offends me.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
And if you don't care about that and I don't
care about you, that's actually the way it's supposed to work.
There's a real unique argument for the value of selfishness
in a free society. You get to say what you
want to say. I get to say what I want
to say. I can't encourage people to harm you. You
can't encourage people to harm me.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
We do have rules.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
We are not a nation of free speech absolutism. There
are certain rules to the road. But the issue, I
think is the fostering of this idea that your feelings matter,
they count, no one can discount them. Mean, you can
speak about the mantime you want, and here's how you feel,
(35:14):
here's what this person's doing. It's not real, but it's
how you win an election. It's not real, but it's
how you gin up opposition to them. And we have
This is the part going back to George Bush, going
back to how the George Bush I'll gore.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Election went and hanging chads and all that jazz.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I think that's where you lead to the birth of
this newest insanity, which twenty five years later is now
leading to people being assassinated while speaking and debating a
crowd of thousands.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
And what's sad is you ask yourself, what is it
going to take to turn the temperature down? And I
don't think that it's ever gonna get better.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
It's not that I don't think it's ever gonna get better.
It's just that I don't think there is anything to turn.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
It's the switch.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I believe that the only way out is through, and
we're in the dark time right now in this and
the only way to get through it is to keep
being rational, keep being normal, head on a swivel. The
people who do this stuff need to be prosecuted in
ways we can't even describe. And you got to teach
your kids that it's okay if somebody disagrees with you,
it's absolutely okay. It's not the end of society, and
(36:23):
those people should not be hurt. Sometimes you have to
teach it to your sister in law too, that's fact.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
The Travelers point.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
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