How Long Until There Is A Swift Football Jersey?

This week's episode is a cigar and bourbon extravaganza you won't want to miss! Tony and Fingers review an intense Liga Undercrown Maduro Gran Toro cigar and the intriguing Kentucky Owl Wiseman Bourbon.

The hosts dive into the complex flavors of the full-bodied Liga Undercrown cigar, from leather and cocoa to wood and spice. They also analyze the Wiseman Bourbon, debating whether it's better neat or on the rocks. Other highlights include NFL trade shockers, jobs without college degrees, and Taylor Swift merch sales?

Key Takeaways:
- The Liga Undercrown cigar is bold, with excellent construction
- The Wiseman bourbon has muted fruit flavors that get spicy with ice
- Crazy NFL trades and player contracts are shaking things up

Don't miss the cigar, bourbon, and football takes! Tune in now to hear Tony and Fingers' lively debate and analysis.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Through a state Lega Pravada. It's a very nice cigar.
It's a very very nice cigar.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I happen to be a massive fan of the Feral
Flying Pig. There's something about that cigar, The construction of
that cigar, the feel of that cigar is spectacular.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
When I find a box, I buy the whole box.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's eat, drink, smell, com Tony kats that right there
is Fingers Maloy. He's America's favorite amateur drinker. My voice
is going because of allergies. I'm fine, Fingers. I'm so
glad you asked me. You're worried about my health and
well being. I am fine, I am healthy. I am healthy,
Fingers May. I am super duper healthy and ready to go.

(00:45):
I could run a marathon. Is there something wrong with
your voice?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Yeah, it's allergies. I'm losing my voice a little bit.
Oh do you need a recola?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
So with the people at Liga Pravada, you had the rollers.
I always get.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
The name wrong.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
My pronunciation of other language is terrible. Torsadores. These are
the rollers.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Now. I always thought the word meant spindles, but same concept.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
So they would smoke these Liga bravadas, except the tobacco
was not easy to come by. They needed it for
the cigars, and so the rollers are like, well, what
are we going to smoke? So they took some other
tobacco and made a cigar and said, okay, we'll smoke this.
That became the undergrown. So when you see from Liga
Bravada the undercrown, this is what the rollers created for

(01:31):
themselves to smoke while they were rolling the Liga Bravadas.
And this is the maduro. So what we're smoking here
is an absolutely beautiful six by fifty two, which means
it's six inches long. He always makes fingers when only laugh.
And the ring age is the fifty two the diameter
of the cigar or how thick it is around me
again with the laughter, Mexican sanadreas in the wrapper, the

(01:55):
binder is Brazilian.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
It is a Honduran and and nicaraguin filler.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
That rapper, the grit, the oil, it's gritty and smooth
and oily. This this is basically how I want my skin.
I'm assuming this is what George Hamilton feels like all
the time. Ah, that's that's that's a George Hamilton reference.
You're welcome Senior America in his current conditions.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
George Hamilton dead, I believe so.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh oh, you tease it, but you don't know. Let
us know, let us know, please, And if you are
a lot, sir Hamilton, we'd love to have you on
the show. And if you're not, sir Man, we wish
we had you on the show. Uh, this feels right
good in the hand, great, great feel on the rapper
and uh, there's a little bit of a billy club

(02:52):
right here.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
You could hit somebody and they would feel it. Fingers,
they would. You're you're looking up with see whether or not. George.
How by the way, George Hamilton, if he hit you
right now now, you'd feel it. He's eighty six years young,
is that right?

Speaker 2 (03:03):
You guy got him on the show. You have to
get George Hamilton on the show.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, mister Hamilton, I would love it if you came
on our show. I said you were dead on the air.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Right, and we would like to correct the record if
we could after him, James Buchanan, I can. By the way,
I guarantee you that he is dead. This is a
good feeling. Cigar Spinger's boy, you're already lit up here.
What do you got going on?

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Honestly, we just lit this up. We're just in the
first third of the first third of the cigar and
I am getting hit with a nice bit of pepper
and spice and that's about it. So unfortunately, I have
nothing to add other than that. That does I have
a nice hand feel to it. There's not that whiffle

(03:51):
ball bat sensation for me. And I'll be interested to
see how this develops over the course of the first
third the cigar. What do you get?

Speaker 2 (04:03):
You seem unpleased? H Did something happen on the way here?
Did something happen before the way?

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Here? Something happened before the way here? Is it something
you'd like to share? I kind of teased it off
the air with you, but I don't know if I
want to get into it on the air.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
No.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Why is it so hard to get an eighty seven
year old man his driver's license in Indiana? That's all
George Hamilton. We're trying, we really are.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
So first things first, with the Undercrown, you're going to
get a full body tigar.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
This is absolutely a full body tigar.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
So if you're somebody who does a medium, this might
be a nice way, and we'll get into cost of
trying some of those bigger smokes.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
We're doing the Maduro version of this.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
There's also a Connecticut shade version of the Undercrown, a
secondly drew A state. I remember the original guy there
was with Steve Soaka. This they're construct action is excellent.
I was talking about that feral flying pig. Now there's
the flying pig, which is much smaller. I like the
feral flying pig. I'm telling you, Compare everything I have

(05:10):
ever smoked. There's something about that specific cigar. It is
the greatest construction to me out there. This thing is
because it has that feel. It's got the hand feel
absolutely perfect. I don't know if I'm necessarily into spice
at the moment. Right now, I'm actually picking up a

(05:33):
little bit of of of wood. I'm picking up a
little bit of bitter, which would signal to me a
level of dark chocolate, nice, easy, simple, and an absolute crap.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Ton of smoke. Yeah, I was actually gonna say I
was starting to pick up leather. So I don't know
you're saying wood. No.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Maybe maybe you're more onto it right maybe may maybe
you're you're refined palette is hitting it directly.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
You are so angry, dude, I'm not angry. Look at you. Okay,
you want to know the truth. I want. I only
want to know the truth.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I ate six out of eight pieces of a hot
and ready pizza on the way here, So.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
That is not true. Wait, that's totally true. I apologize.
I apologize. Eat your expect nation.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
We all know that fingers will I ate three quarters
of a Little Caesar's pizza before he arrived.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
We all know the other two slices are in the car,
aren't they. No, No, my goodness, I would never do that.
I left it for the family. I can imagine the
daughter's disappointment when she walks home and sees a a
pizza box on the counter and there are two pieces left.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
You want to take your cigar and you want to
break it up at the thirds in your mind. I
had to be right past that first third, second third,
and final third. And you want grab your notebooks. What
did you eat today? What did you drink today? All
of those things matter. Whether humidity is broken. Here in Indianapolis, Indiana,
where we record from, we've had some nice breezes, some
nice weather, a little bit of rain today, so a

(07:11):
touch more humidity than we've had. And then you want
to write down your flavors. What is it that you're
getting out of each third of the.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Cigar right in your notebook.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
And when you try the cigar a month from now,
six months around, for whatever it is, you try it again,
do the same thing. Compare your notes, get your through lines.
What does it really felt about the cigar? And if
different foods maybe affect different flavors in different ways.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
You know, if I eat this, I should really smoke that.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
It's a nice way to kind of judge things and
get yourself a good reference point.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
It's just the best time of year for smoking a cigar.
We're getting ready to kiss fall college football right on
the mouth. Yes, college football, open mouth right around the court.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Because I am a passionate lover. I read that on
a bathroom wall.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
You know. This weekend the big game Vasser is playing
fab Oh. I cannot wait. It's gonna be on all
the televisions at Sports part It's an animal.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
House college favor college ladies and gentlemen. Fingers on woy.
This is the undergrown Maduro from Drewis State. This is
a very very easy going but big stick in that
it's an easy draw.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
You know that you're gonna get something larger.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
You don't have to question whether that this is going
to be a massive, massive thing. You know exactly what
it's going to be, and it's going to be that.
Every single time they actually referred to this as the
Liga Undergrown Madurea. Did you see in Mexico where members

(08:51):
of parliament got into a fistfight.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
I'm guessing it was something about natural grass versus AstroTurf.
That's probably it right there, t drink smoke. I'm Tony Katz.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
That right there is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers Maloy.
I don't know what it was about. As I'm talking
to you all, I know, Yeah, it's Mexico. Someone's angry
with somebody else, and Guy A kind of grabs Guy B.
And Guy B is like, hey, don't grab me, and
Guy A is like what bam, punch push. Another guy
comes in, he gets pushed over.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Did anybody get hit in the back with a steel chair?

Speaker 2 (09:24):
No, no, no, no, no, nobody was wearing a mask. I
forget what they call those wrestlers. Oh dang it, I
should know. I should know. Anyway, that's not the story.
T drink Cherrow, I'll find I did I say it
was he drink smoke?

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Drink smoke.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
I'm Tony kats that right there is America's favorite amateur drinker.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Fingers molloy, you have an update for us, Oh, I
do have an update for it. For those who tuned
into last week's Eat Drink Smoke, Tony went on an
epic rant about the Cracker Barrel logo change and how
everyone was getting out of control.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
First of all, Lucidorus, Ah, that's what it was. Lucidorus
is what it is. Thank you now.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yes, everybody was getting out of control. It was nuts.
It's a logo change. Move on with your day now.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
If you want to talk about other things that Cracker
Barre was doing, policies and promotions and how they run
their business, fine, but the logo.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Change was no big deal. It wasn't the end of
the world. It was actually easier to read. Move on.
The whole thing was manufactured nonsense. So what is your update. Well,
the manufactured nonsense, as you refer to it, Tony, actually
worked because Cracker Barrel backed away from the new logo,
saying they're bringing back the old timer, Tony, the guy

(10:47):
leaning against the bears.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
It's like I always said, this is the most important
thing that has ever happened in America. This logo is
part of Americana, and if you're going to change it,
you might as well just kill my grandmother with a
kitchen knife. I find the whole thing despicable and disgusting.
And I said, so, I actually led the charge. I'm saying,
who do you think you are to change the logo.
I'm the guy you got to speak to about whether
or not you change your logo at your company there,

(11:09):
And I said, this cracker barrel, this crackerbarre logo, these
people could go to hell, That's what I said. Fingers
one way, and they listen to me. That's the kind
of power I have over here in Entering Smoke Nation.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Remind everyone where they can donate to your congressional campaign?
Oh sure, was it that obvious? I still don't care.
I don't honestly.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
America celebrated this like it was some great win, and
I'm like, if it means that families are going to
stop fighting for five minutes, all right, great?

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, Look, take the silver lining. Sometimes take the w
to steal a Chris rock bit. Did you run out
to your mailbox to see if you got your cracker
barrel prize? I didn't understand it either. I looked at
it and I thought to myself, I could get upset
about this, but A, I really really don't care, and

(12:02):
be I have a step foot in a cracker barrel
in fifteen years. Yeah, it's been a while.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I was thinking that last time we were there, driving
back from when my parents lived in Georgia, driving back
New Year's Eve, we weren't going to get back in time.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
We had dinner New Year's Eve cracker bro.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
I think I still think the story is insane, and
I will tell you that I am a believer that
you have to fire the CEO. Now you ask me,
why do you have to fire the CEO. You fire
the CEO because this is somebody who could be easily
swayed by the masses.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
This is not a leader. You made a change, You
went through.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
All the steps to say this is better for the brand,
and then you got some pushback and you didn't not
even not fight it. You said, oh, we're sorry, we
listened to our customers. Did you even ask a customer
should we change the logo before you did. What do
you mean you listened to your customers? What does that mean?
How exactly were you listening to your customers before that?

(13:03):
You didn't know that they take that logo and say,
this is a part of Americana, this is what we want.
I don't believe you listen to your customers. I don't
think you cared about your customers. You said, we're going
to create a new logo which looks an awful lot
like the old logo and an awful lot like the
Denny's logo.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
And you said, here's our new logo, and everyone said,
what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
And you said, oh gosh, oh gosh, oh gosh, and
then you wet yourself and then you change back the
ceo should be fired.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Counter point if it really looks like your customers have
been angered to the point where you're gonna lose a
ton of business, and you're on the SSSSS Titanic cracker
barrel new logo as the ship is sinking and you're
moving the deck chairs around instead of saying, you know what,

(13:59):
people really seem to have a real emotional attachment to
this logo. I miscalculated what's wrong with the businessman businesswoman
saying you know, folks, I maybe made a mistake and
I'm going to pivot back and make my customer shrinking
customer base happy.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
So first, you haven't proven to me you had a
shrinking customer base. Second, there are other things going on,
like events. They were sponsoring changes to the physical store
that made it more sterile as opposed to more homie,
and you could argue that that could have turned off
some potential customers or existing customers. But you haven't shown
me where they actually lost customers. You showed me where

(14:40):
people on social media said, are go bargle anger, like,
that's what you showed me. It's all you showed me.
I have no idea what happened here or why. I
have no idea if it made a difference. You know what,
I know you as a CEO clearly didn't do your
homework and ensuring you ed were making the right move.
And so therefore you have to go the vice president

(15:02):
of bud Light, who's like, we need to be more inclusive.
So therefore we need to have this person who claims
to be a young girl as our spokesperson, or at
least on a can of this, Dylan mulvaney, whomever. That's
where people said, we're not doing this. We just want
to drink beer. We don't want anybody's politics in our stuff.

(15:24):
And so for not understanding it, for not really doing
the work necessary to make a change like this, you
gotta be fired.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Maybe circle back for a second. Argle bargel, angry, thank you,
thank you. So when I name the podcast for next
week's show, how do you spell argle bargele a r
g l e b A r g l e.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
But if you want to really get some hits, huh,
you should name it the Joe Rogan Experience.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Oh wow, try that. I have a feeling if we
do that, he'll be going argle bargle, bargel. No, just
put the headline.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
The title should be we put Joe Rogan in the headline,
just to see what happens.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
But what is that wrong? You know what? I'm thinking?
We should do that and then after that, eat, rink,
smoke logo change. Nice. Nice. I tried.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
I tried to use AI to create cracker barrel logos
total disaster total total. I said, make me a logo
that looks like the old cracker barrel logo for Tony
Katz and it gave.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Me the Enron logo. Oh, nicely done.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I stole your line. I was gonna go with kmart
nice also good. I tried to make the cylinder logo too,
and then we tried pets dot com.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
I have been on a side note, spending way too
much time lately on Chat GPT, way too much time
on it, using it. The whole AI experience is fascinating
and terrifying at the same time. Were you what were
you trying to do? Asking it? What? How it sees

(17:04):
itself in ten years? Oh? He said destroying humanity?

Speaker 2 (17:12):
It was it wasn't lying, was not lying? Find everything
at eat drinksmokeshow dot com? We have cake to eat.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
We have cake. We have a cake hack that we
have to eat. Okay, I'm into that.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Eat drink smoking. It's your cigar bourbon food, the extravaganza.
I am Tony Kat's that is fingers with loan fingers.
Nothing says cigars quite like cake.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
I read that somewhere. I think Churchill said it. He did.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
He did right there at Gallipoli. We we normally get
into a news of the week. We will, but uh,
it is cake time. Uh So I have a ton
of recipes to go through, ton of things to get to.
We will, but I've been on a baking binge. I've
been on a baking binge, and it's all about. As

(18:04):
much as I despise the concept of the influencer, some
of the people doing food on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, although
I don't use TikTok, they're doing some really excellent work.
There's some unique stuff and there have been a lot
of cake cash taking. You know, you don't have to
be an expert baker, take a cake mix from a

(18:25):
box that you get on sale and do something with it.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
So this right here is oohy gooey buttercake. Now.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
This was first introduced to me by a mutual friend,
Virginia Crudo, who's got a great bakery there on the
Illinois side of Saint Louis, and I enjoyed it. Then
we found what they call Neeman Marcus Cake. So Neiman
Marcus was a department store kind of place, high end,

(18:55):
high falutin I believe they said, fancy and schmancy.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, many of them had elevators.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
So this is the the hack somehow of this. Hey,
this is what they were making with with a box
with a box of cake. Miss came from Betty Crocker.
We've got two eggs in here, cream cheese is in here,
of another extract is in here. Uh and actually four
eggs total and melted butter.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
So that's what this is. So what makes it gouey?

Speaker 2 (19:28):
I think what makes it gowey is the love that
you bring to it. I think the whole purpose here
is something that works well for coffee, works well, uh
for the table, and is cheap and easy. I think
the point here is why spend a fortune when you

(19:48):
can only look like you did?

Speaker 1 (19:50):
That's that's it. So did you happen to pick this hack?
Because I mentioned, what was it about month or two
ago that I had never had gooey butter cake? I
forgot that you had mentioned that, And no, no, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
You were in no way in my thoughts when I
did this only cake? Do you want to try it first?

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Absolutely? This is my this is my first attempt. So
it's a bass vanilla cake.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
I I I I like I like to I do
like a dessert, but I don't need it to be
too much.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
I don't. Are you really on the nose. It smells, uh,
smells like kind of it was coming.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
He takes his bite of the I don't I guess
Namon Marcus sold this cake. I didn't know that, the
Neman Marcus cake hack, the Oohy guey butter cake, Nemus Marcus,
Nemon Marcus cake.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Box, cake hack, vanilla? Are you happy? Is it? Texture? Right?
Is it flavor? Is it not your kind of cake? No?
Hold on, is anything not your kind of cake? Beef cake?
It's not my kind of cake. Interesting? Having said that, right,
this is very good. And it's screaming for a cup

(21:08):
of coffee and some coffee and some vanilla ice cream
and some vanilla ice cream. It's wonderful. It's very good.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
You need you want coffee? I know somebody that that
wouldn't be terrible. I We'll get some coffee.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yes, it is. It is so good.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
It is straight up vanilla. It is sugary vanilla. It
is childhood birthday party vanilla. That's it.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
The top is almost crystallized. And oh it's really rich.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
That might be sweeter than I need. I'm I might
cut the sugar the next time. That's right, I said it.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
That's crazy talk. I might why perfect amount of sugar.
I actually could use some powder sugar on top up.
H's what's nice about that? It's this particular cake. Uh,
it's moist on the bottom of the cake. Yeah, which

(22:14):
all over to me I wasn't expecting because in the middle,
I'm not saying it's dry, but it's drier. It seems
like the moisture in the cake is in the bottom
of it.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
In a lot of our conversations, people are when we
talk about barbecue, they're they're they're kind of afraid.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
And I think that's true about cooking in general.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
People have this generalized fear that it's not gonna come
out right, there's gonna be a cost issue, whatever the
case may be. So I really am loving the idea
of these things that are simple, simple ways to do something.
Take something basic, do minimal to it, and get a
better result.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Because you could have just made the cake mix and
be like rip cake mix done.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
It doesn't take much and will have the full recipe
up there at eatringsmokeshow dot com. It does not take
much to do to put a little spin on something
to create a value out of it. So someone can say, ooh,
that's interesting it's not just the basic you gave of
yourself a little bit of it, and I think that's true.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Go ahead, Well, but you you brought up the fear
of trying something new and uh, maybe going outside of
your comfort zone to make a dish. I can understand
that with barbecue. When you are spending eighty to one
hundred dollars on a brisket, you know, I can understand
sitting back and saying, man, I really don't want to

(23:40):
screw this up. Where how much was the Betty Crocker?
Oh my god, hey we got it on sale for
ninety nine cents. Yeah, so you screw that up? You're like,
what are you gonna do? But you you really really
really have to be awful at baking to screw up
a cake. Well, so wait a second, really bad baking.

(24:01):
Cooking is art. Baking a science. That's number one. It
is to make it inedible. Though, Yeah, well take care
of the box. Well with the box, no, just follow,
but you're following the directions. You don't just add a
little bit of this or a stickle a floor ride away.
I'm not talking about baking a cake from scratch. I'm
talking about you've got the Betty Crocker box in your hand.

(24:26):
You Betty is holding your hand, right she is. You
shouldn't be, you know, worried that you're gonna screw that up.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
But here's something that you could do a little bit
too to turn it from basic too unique and uh,
if you're worried about your your brisket, you won't if
you get your brisket from Defiance Beef Defiance Beef dot Com,
use from a code, eat, drink, smoke, and get one
hundred and fifty dollars off your order. You're talking about
being able to order your cow and you can a

(24:54):
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want a tender lang, you want brisket. Boom done, simple, easy,
Basic Defiance Beef from right here in Indiana, ship to
you wherever you are across the country. It will come

(25:14):
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an unbelievably tender cut of meat.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Really really special.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
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Speaker 1 (25:39):
And see how everything ties in. There's a good possibility
that that cow's name was Betty. Wow.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Wow, look at you, defiance beeef dot com promo good Eat,
Drink Smoke. I saw a recipef fingers with the way
for brisket. I ask you, We'll get to news of
the week in a moment.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Do we have to?

Speaker 2 (25:58):
They did a quasi hot honey brisket. They took honey,
and they took red pepper flakes, and they kind of
warmed it up, break it down a little bit, took
the brisket, poured this hot honey and red pepper flake
thing all over it, and then let it rest for

(26:20):
seven days in the hot honey.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah your nay, No really, And I don't know. I
would have to think about this more, but my first
initial reaction is no. Although you and I have talked
about it, we both like to dabble with brown sugar
in our brisket rub my family. I can. I'm fine
salt and pepper.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
I really don't need it. My family is insane. When
we add the brown sugar, They're like, this is this
is perfect?

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, honey. And then on top of it, hot honey
seven days, seven days. That bristle's gonna taste like hot honey,
I would assume. So we're gonna have to find out. Okay,
good on you. I like the adventurous.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Because we ate the cake. We didn't get to do
News of the Week yet. To tea drink smoke, I'm
Tony Katz. That right there is America's favorite amateur drinker,
Fingers Moloy. We are smoking from Liga, the Jewist State,
the Undercrown Maduro. I always call it chew Estate, but
they all say the Liga Undercrown Maduro.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
What can I say? I'm old school.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
This is the Toro, so the six by fifty two.
This is a full bodied cigar, Fingers mLOY, you are
in now into the first third of the cigar, deep
into it.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
What say you? It tastes like gooey butter cake. Well,
I think this cuts through the gooey butter cake. We
were just trotting some cake. I think this cuts through it.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
There's you are still getting that, you said Leather I
don't think that's necessarily an awful thing thing to say there.
I was getting some wood from it, a little bit
of bitter as a bit of chocolate at the first
not necessarily overwhelming, just I was getting the more of
the boldness than anything else. But it's smoking well, it's

(28:13):
easy to handle, it feels great in the hands.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Just a nice piece, and for me that pepper and
spice is picked up just a little bit. As I'm
moving through the first third of the cigar.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Fingers were waring the Liga Underground Maduro grand Toro. They
call this six by fifty two? Is it in your
humid or for nine dollars and fifty.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Cents stick stop it right? Yes, this is one of those.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Now I would not be every day on this cigar,
but there's no doubt that I buy a box and
I split it with a friend and it's just in
the humid it's just there. Right, Buy a box and
boxes twenty five, find four friends, everybody gets five.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Easy way to do this boom, simple done.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
You've got it maybe once a week, maybe once every
other week when you just want something a little bit bigger. Absolutely,
unquestionably this is something that can be in the human earth.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah, I'm not starting my morning off with this cigar.
But and it's not an everyday smoke, no, but not
for me at all, But that at that price point,
the way it's hitting me, I would I would have
one or two of these in my in my humid
door for all, like a once a month smoke something
like that.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, after dinner, after dinner, late night, you're gonna be
up for a while smoke.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, this can do it.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
And no matter what you ate, like, we're doing this,
this cake hack, this uguy buttercake hack, and the recipe
will be up at Eat drinksmokeshow dot com. This absolutely
cuts through it. I am not bothered by what I hate.
There are cigars that could be lighter and really affected
by the food. I think this one moves right through it.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
I think you light this up at night and if
you're gonna have an evening cup of coffee, you're gonna
be up till two in the morning.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
And you know what, you'll be happy about it. Yes,
but it's time fingers Horatio Maloy.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
For News of the Week. Oh, Tony, I just I
hesitate to mention this because I know you're such a
huge fan of the TSA and anytime I bring up
anything a.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Flashback, flashback to all the times I talked about how
much I hate the TSA.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Well, did you mention you you flew recently? Did you
have a bad experience with the TV? I did not.
Oh not this time.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
I did not because we've now changed the rules where
you don't have to take off the shoes, so I didn't.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
I didn't have to take off the shoes. Okay, but
don't Did you get the extra service? And what is
it the TSA PRE No, I don't do that. I
do not pay for my rights. Well, so what I
don't understand? And we're getting a little bit away from
News of the Week. But that's okay. If I'm buying
the TSA pre because I don't want to take my

(31:03):
shoes off and then they make that announcement, Am I
getting some of my money back?

Speaker 2 (31:08):
I'm gonna be pretty upset. I doubt it. What it
turns out you don't get your money back, I disagree.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
I would assume that the TSA, since they're so wonderful
with customer service, would understand your gripe and it would
immediately give you half your money back. We dreamon. Having
said that, according to an August fifteenth report from the
Street Tony, the TSA and the Federal Aviation Administration updated

(31:35):
their prohibited items list to include popular hairstyling tools. Passengers
will be better off leaving their cordless hair devices at
home because they may contain potentially hazardous materials. So that cordless,
that cordless curling iron, the flat irons, apparently some of

(31:55):
them contain gas cartridges. You tane filled curling irons and
flat irons and gas refilled cartridges. For these tools, they're
no longer allowed in your check bags. First of all, Uh, listen,
I just towel dry them. My here, Tony, and I
haven't used a flat iron in years. I'm surprised. I'm

(32:18):
surprised that they use gas cartridges.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, I didn't know that, all right, So the but so,
the issue is not on a plane. The issue as
is as checked baggage. Yes, you could still bring it
and carry on.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
They can still be packed on carry on backs. However,
a safety cover must be securely fitted over the heating element.
The device must be protected from accidental activation. Shouldn't we
all be protected from accidental activation?

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Tony you're telling me it's turned the Beavis and butt
Heead accidents. Activation was an art film I made in common.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
It is.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
But I being a young and Margaret, here's George Hamilton
and Margaret.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Turns out we're doing this show in nineteen sixty four.
But you brought this point up before about the TSA,
and it still rings true today. It's hard to keep
track of what you're allowed to do when it comes
to whether it's packing your bags, how you bored a plane.

(33:30):
It feels like the rules are different by the day
and by the airport. Undoubtedly true.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
In this airport you take the you take your laptop
out of the bag. That airport, you don't take your
laptop out of the bag. It's using that as just
one of many many examples. So I don't I will
again tell you the TSA has to go and we
have to get back to private security.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Airport to airport.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
That's that's number one standardization amongst them in terms of
best practices. Would also be would be very nice if
you tell me there's gonna be an that something is
combustible and you want to be able to have access
to it, and so you don't put it in check baggage.
I can live with that. I don't think that's an
end of the world kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
That's kind of rational. You could live with that and
live longer. According to a new study, if you eat
more meat, Tony Fox News has the story eating more
meat could be beneficial for the body and new studies suggests.
Research from Canada's McMaster University, Ah great basketball team. Yes

(34:42):
that's where I do all my studies revealed that animal
sourced foods are not linked to a higher risk of death.
Thank you. As a matter of fact, what does it
do regarding cancer? The study discovered that animal proteins could
also offer protective benefits against cancer related mortality. According to

(35:03):
Canada's McMaster University. Two things that I'm gonna say here.

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to decide what works for you. They're definitely people who
don't do well with red meat. There are people who
do extremely well with red meat. There's some people who

(35:50):
don't do well with carbs.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
I'm one of them. Some people totally no problem. Thrive
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Speaker 1 (36:14):
Do doo?

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Duh?

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Let's do it before you know? Oh there it is. No,
this is this is interesting news and it I believe
you're probably gonna see more studies like this, and some
of it who you know, it may be politically based. Uh,
you know, the people who are against meat may come
out with a new shirt because the carnivore diet is
so popular, right that people are getting more interested in

(36:39):
in eating this type of diet, so we'll probably see
more studies like this.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
So it's at this moment I tell you, I think
we're either going to be outrageously surprised or outrageously disappointed.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
And I don't think I've ever said that about a
burbon before. It's also how I describe my weekends interesting tea, drink, smoke.
I'm Tony Katz.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
That is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers Maloy, and this
is the wise Man bourbon. Now it's a really kind
of convoluted story.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
This is a kind of a mashup, right.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
It's distilled by Bardstown, but it comes from Kentucky Owl.
It's weird that we do something that comes from Kentucky
owl because they're having a whole host of troubles over there.
We will get to that. So this is Kentucky owl
in Bardstown bourbon. It's a blend of the Kentucky owl
four year weeded and high Rye bourbons. So that's two

(37:40):
and then it's combined with two bourbons from Bardstown five
and a half year and eight and a half year.
I should actually say they're Kentucky source bourbons. So there
is this panoply of bourbons going on in this thing
that they call the wise Man. And I'm like, I'm
gonna love it or hate it. We are at that stage.

(38:02):
This comes in at ninety point eight proof fingers with
bof got this in the glen cairing glass here.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
And first things first, that is honey.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
That that is not dark, that is have the reds,
doesn't have the ambers, doesn't have the richness. Doesn't look
like caramel at all, just looks honeycolored.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah it does. And uh, it is sticking to the glass.
There's a nice little bit of a viscosity.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
With would be viscosity like Valvelene, which would make a
great sponsor of faturing smoke. Come on, Valveleine, let's go
racing together. Wow, impressive racing to profits?

Speaker 1 (38:41):
That is that how you sell it? Yes? What can
I do to put you in some forget it?

Speaker 2 (38:46):
That's a bigger nose than I thought it would be. Yes,
right off the bat, ninety point eight proof is not big,
not strong, But there's a lot happening on that nose.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Nice bit of caramel um, maybe a hint a hint
of alcohol.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah, I would I would say a little more than
a hint it is there. Touch a cinnamon, touch, touch
of cinnamon, and I'm gonna argue after you get in
it for a little while.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
A little dark fruit fruity, A dark fruit fruity, dark
fruit fruity.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
I saw them open up aner it is in nineteen
ninety two. A. Yes, it's it's there's a little there.
There's I think a little bit of dark fruit going
on there in that. Okay, I want to argue it,
but not getting a lot of oak. Is that is
that cinnamon or is that just spice?

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Right?

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Considering that that we know that there's this blend here,
there's high Rye bourbons.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
And here's here's what I would say that could be it.
Here's what I would say if I picked this up
without having any knowledge of the mash bill, I would
tend to agree with with you. But the fact that you, uh,
you've got the Rye in there, it makes me think
that that's more Rye spice, right.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
I think it's a little more not not the mash bill,
but the different. Yeah, if you're gonna throw high Rye
bourbons in here, and you got to figure if they've
got a couple of four years, a five and a
half year and an eight and a half year. One
would lend themselves to think there's more of the four
year than the higher year bourbons to be able to

(40:30):
make it last longer, meaning you can get more bottles
out of it. That's how I would assume this mix goes.
But enough of us smelling this stuff. You ready for this?

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Fingers Moly? First of all, do you think when they
put this together someone was wearing a lap coat? I
don't know, maybe, And I've been ready for this all day.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
We are doing what's called the Kentucky chew, moving the
juice around the palate, getting a feel for the flavors.
The first sip. I'm a big favorite fan of the
two sip concept. First sip to set the taste buds.
Second sip tweeling, get an idea of the flavors that
could Tucky.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Owl wise Man bourbon.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
The wise Man bourbon is what it says right there
on the label, fingers will really.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Really uh you?

Speaker 2 (41:14):
You look like you just got winded. That looked like
you ran an entire quarter city block. It is the finish.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
There is a it's a cinnamon like heat, that cinnamon heat,
but it's not cinnamon it's the rye spice. It's it's
a it's a nice bit of rye spice.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
That caramel is there. You're actually getting some oak. H.
There is a nice bit of staying on the tongue
in the mouth, nice bit of a gentle warmth in
the chest, maybe a hint of h. No, I'm not

(41:55):
going to say that it's good. It is good. I
think I'll be interested to see what you say that
that rye spice really hits you, right, so you know
you're a ry guy. Sam, I'm going in.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
This is the wise man Bourbon Kentucky owl with Bardstown.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Here I go. He's going in ladies and gentlemen with
his Glen Karen Glenn ross glass and he's doing what
we like to call the saganaw swish, the Memphis munch,
the Chattanooga chomp, a confused look over his face.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
That is so much richer. I'm telling I was fifty
to fifty. That's crazed. First of all, that's a whole
bunch of fruit. Really, that's a whole bunch of fruit.

(42:52):
The guys over breaking Bourbon dot Com referred to it
as muted raspberry, and I almost want to say Bravo
like that. That's a really kind of but I think
you can go more orchard dark dark fruits. In general,
it's much sweeter than I thought it would be. Uh,

(43:13):
if there is a hard spice, it's not hitting no
heat centered chest or anywhere on the chest at all.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
A little bit back of throat. It actually touches into
the cheek going back in ladies and gentlemen for sip
number two. And I can't believe.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
It's also very warm. It's a warm drink and goes
down much smoother than I would have expected. Rice spice
isn't hitting.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
You see to the extent that it exists. No, that's crazy. No,
there's a little bit on the sides of the tongue
that I can feel.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
I'm more taken by the by the okay, okay, the finish.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Has some spice. Hey, how you doing? How's your mother?

Speaker 2 (44:02):
And that's resting in the throat and the and the
mid front of the tongue. Yeah, the sides of the tongue,
that's where the rie spice.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Is, I'm telling you now. And there is there is
a touch of voke going on. Yeah, it's interesting. I'm
afraid to monkey with it. We're gonna have to, I
mean science. We do it for eat, rink smoke nation.
I'll add a cube, he'll add some water. Did you
bring your droppers today? Of course not. Why did I

(44:33):
even ask? Wow?

Speaker 2 (44:36):
This is this is interesting. Why would you make that
assumption because you didn't bring your droppers? Well I didn't,
But why would you make that assumptives? Because I do
this show for a living, Fingers bioy, this is the
Wise Man, a blend of four years, five and a
half year, and eight and a half year bourbons.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
They're packed in a box.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
This came about in twenty twenty one, Fingers Biloy. Is
this in your liquor cabinet? For forty dollars a bottle? Yes?

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Now what's interesting is I went back and looked when
people did some initial reviews. Things came out it was
sixty dollars a bottle. Wow, I saw it for fifty
on sale for forty, which means maybe it ain't so
much around no more that could be. That's gonna bring
us to another story. I make no claim of being

(45:31):
a football expert. I make no claim of being an
NFL expert. I make no claim at all that I
know every detailed reason for a trade or anything else.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
But when I.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
See crazy, Oh I'm pretty good at point. Now crazy,
it's eat, drink, smoke. I'm Tony Katz. That right there
is America's favorite amateur drinker and world class Detroit Lions fan.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Fingers of my lord, we're down the field, A charging
team will not Yeah, I had two chances to win
a Super Bowl. Ain't gonna happen. Now.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Sorry, sorry to be so so direct with you, but
there is a trade in the NFL that fingers. As
we're doing the show got announced and fingers jaw was
on the floor. And it doesn't affect his high flying
Detroit Lions. No, it affects the Green Bay Packers. Take

(46:27):
us through it, if you would, Fingers.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Horatio Maloy So Micah Parsons, the All Pro linebacker really
a defensive end in a lot of ways for the
Dallas Cowboys, has been in a contract dispute with Jerry
Jones for some time now.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
He wanted to have his contract he renegotiated. He was
scheduled to make I believe twenty one million dollars this
year in his final year of his deal, which with
his skill set, he would have been considered very much underpaid,
and they were in the middle of a standoff and
and Micah Parsons was doing what they call a hold in.

(47:09):
Instead of holding out, you actually show up to camp
so they can't find you. But then you say, oh,
my back, I can't practice, and oh, you know what,
my shin is bothering me.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
I think I have water on the knee. I got
to go out, yes, And you just sit there and
you you don't practice, and you become a distraction to
the team. And then there was a lot of back
and forth, uh in the media between Jerry Jones and
Micah Parsons. For the most part, Is has stayed silent
until he announced, now it must be two weeks ago,

(47:38):
that he wanted out of Dallas. He wanted to be traded,
and Jerry Jones was adamant that he wasn't going to
trade him and that they were going to come up
with some sort of deal. Uh. You know, at one
point it was oh, you know what, we we aren't
going to come up with the deal. He's under contract,
He's just gonna play for us. And Micah Parsons was
uh saying, well, no, no, yeah, exactly. So it was just

(47:59):
announced that the Dallas Cowboys have traded Micah Parsons to
the evil Green Bay Packers. My god.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
First of all, we are heard on whby in Appleton
and Green Bay Sundays from three to five pm. We
love you guys, and we're more than happy to come up,
and Fingers mLOY will wear a Detroit Lions jersey and
you can throw fresh fruit at him. You invite us,
we will come up. We will grill brats with you.
We'll do the whole thing, and eventually you'll see Fingers

(48:31):
mLOY wearing a.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Cheese head because they would be throwing cheese at me.
Having said that they traded.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Go through it. Because first things first. The first part
about this is whatever your favorite team is the marquee player,
the marquee player, because the Cowboys don't. Dak Prescott is
not a marquee player. He is a middling quarterback at best. Sorry,
he was Dallas's best player, MICHAEH. Parsons period, end of discussion,

(49:05):
and on any defense, he would be the player. Yeah,
I don't think there's any question about this, and they
just traded him away, and not only the key player,
but you could argue heart and soul glue identity of
that defense, which now doesn't exist. So that part for
the for the Cowboys is nuts.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Now reports are that in return for Micah Parsons, the
Green Bay Packers gave up.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Wait, hold on, before we get to what they gave up.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yes, can we discuss how much money they're going to
pay MICHAEH. Parsons. I've got the number right here. Oh
please please share it.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
They're gonna pay Micah Parsons a four year deal for
one hundred and eighty eight million dollars. It's got a
total amount of one hundred and thirty six million guaranteed.
He is now the highest paid non quarterback in the
National Football League. First, before you get to what they
gave up. That's an insane amount of money.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Right, that's also what the market dictates. One hundred and
eighty eight million dollars or four years. Yes, but also
keep in mind that the initial announcement of these contracts
they are usually inflated quite a bit, and once you
know the media is able to dig into the numbers,
they usually come down a little bit. But that is

(50:27):
what it costs to have a premium pass rusher on
your defense. So first, things. First, you can argue they
paid too much.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
You can say, okay, as Fingers does, that's what the
market bears.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
What did the Green Bay Packers give up? They gave
up Pro Bowl defensive tackle Kenny Clark and two two
first round draft picks from what years? The future? Just
in general and future. Yeah, I'm assuming it's going to
be the twenty twenty six seven. That's exacturate. Okay. How

(51:07):
desperate are the Green Bay Packers? When why they have
had problems on defense? At times? It hasn't been consistent.
And also, listen, it's a really tough division. Take my
Lions fandom out of it. The Lions are probably going
to take a step back this year because they lost

(51:27):
all Pro center Frank grag Now and they're replacing It's
not just their defensive and offensive coordinators. When Ben Johnson,
who is the Lions offensive coordinator, left to become coach
of the Chicago Bears, and Aaron Glenn, the defensive coordinator,
left Detroit to become the Jets head coach, they took
a lot of coaches with them off of the Lion's staff.

(51:49):
There's a lot of brain drain and I won't be
surprised at all if the Lions take a step back
this year. But the Lions are still going to be
really good. The Bears have a really talented roster and
it's just a matter of if Ben Johnson in his
first year can bring out the talent in Caleb Williams
that everybody's expecting him to do. They're they're probably going

(52:13):
to be tougher this year. And my goodness, the Minnesota
Vikings were very good last year with Sam Donald. They
let Sam Donald walk and now they got JJ McCarthy
who's essentially having his rookie year played out, even though
it's you know, he's a second year quarterback, but he
was injured all of last year. It's a tough division,

(52:33):
so they they've they've seen what's happened the last two
years the Lions have won the division, and they're they're
tired of it and they feel like they had to
make a move. That's a crazed gamble.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Two first round picks a guy who you know delivered
and that money. That is an insane gamble.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Think of it this way, though, if you're a Green
Bay and I don't have their information as far as
their draft capital, but say they only have their normal
first round pick next year. They're expecting to be really good.
So if you're picking twenty ninth, thirtieth, thirty first, and

(53:19):
you know, hey, if they win the super Bowl thirty
second in the first round, that's almost a second round pick.
So to bring on someone with an elite with elite
talent like Micah Parsons for a very very very late
first round pick in two years, it's.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Certainly an interesting way to look at it. It's a
little more sober minded than just my initial shock. The
money just blows my mind. Four years, one hundred and
eighty eight million.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
It's what people make it. Radio it it It is God.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
If I only had any athletic talent, if only I
could say athletic, I have two problems.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
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is your cigar bourbon foodie extravaganza. I'm Tony Kats. That's
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Speaker 1 (54:26):
You know, you know Liga Pravada. You love it. This
is the underground.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
When Duro the Toro six by fifty two I believe
they call this a gran Toro Mexican San Andreas, Brazilian
Mattafina in in the binderhn Duran and Nica.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Roguin in in the filler. Right there.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
This is a full bodied cigar getting ready for the
final third of this cigar. Not much has changed. I'm
not getting an explosion of flavor, of different flavors out
of this cigar. I'm a little bit tobacco forward with this.
I knew what I was getting. I knew it was
gonna have this level of strength. I knew it was
gonna have this level of conviction. I think that that

(55:05):
chocolate has picked up a little bit, not necessarily a coffee.
I think that you talked about that initial spice that
is still there. It's just a big boy. It's just
powerful and you feel it. So if you're not somebody
who's into that, this is not for you. If you

(55:27):
like that, hey, allow us to introduce this to you
and coming in at nine dollars and fifty cents a stick.
And the construction is spectacular, which is exactly what I
expected here. This is it's a box is twenty five.
Find a few friends split the box five ways. Everybody
gets five cigars smoke one a week, one every other week.

(55:51):
It fits into a rotation, especially at nine dollars and
fifty cents. If you're somebody who does this cigar on
a daily you're you're special. That's that is the best
way I could describe it.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
I can't imagine lighting this up at ten o'clock at
night and what it would do to me. I would
be up until like six o'clock in the morning. Yeah, oh,
absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
I mean we're always clear about cigars, right, You're not
inhaling a cigar that doesn't happen. But there's still it's
still tobacco, there's still nicotine. There's still an effect that
it has.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
One hundred percent. This is a big pup.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
But I'm telling you beautifully done, and we are drinking
the wise Man bourbon coming in at ninety point eight.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Proof. My cube has melted.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Fingers, Oh, my cube has melted. I'm trying it here.
For me, it was it was rather fruity. It had
it had a bit of spice, which I am attributing
to the Rye spice. A conversation is what is a
cube gonna do?

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Right?

Speaker 2 (56:53):
So water brings down proof, that's exactly what it does.
But it also some flavors more muted, some flavors more prominent.
Kind of water or ice can open up the bourbon.
It's not wrong to have something on a cube or
on ice chips or the rocks, or just add a
little bit of water.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
It's fine. People are like, well, you can't do that.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
They're wrong and they're silly, and you shouldn't talk to
those people or you should ignore them one way or another.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
So I put I put a cube in here, and
now I'm going in. He's going in, ladies and gentlemen
for round three. Actually with the melted cube, and oh got.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Dryer, got spice, Oh got spicier, no neat haaa oh
oh dry and spicy and almost like all that that
that fruit and as Breaking Bourbon dot Com, which is
a very cool sit Breaking Bourbon dot Com, they called

(57:50):
it a muted raspberry. I'm like, that is that is
like really well done as they described it, and all
that just disappears.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
It muted the raspberry. Hah. It left me with spice
and blaw. You look like you're in pain.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Oh oh you know you said I don't want to
monkey with this. Those are exact words. You are a soothsayer.
A soothsayer fingers, Well, well you got it.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Sounds like it brought out a lot of that spice
that I was getting. Neat. Oh, I feel it in
the throat.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
I feel it in the nose, I feel it in
the chest, I feel it in my toes. Go haha,
you just did. You added a little bit of water
to yours right there. Well you're not happy either.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Okay, that can't be. That can't be chicken cutlet bingo.
I knew it. I so that spice is still there.
I'm waiting for the spice to subside. When it first
it hit my palette, I got apple briefly, and well

(58:56):
I said dark fruits, which I didn't get before. So
you know what, now I'm gonna have to go in
and try to do it again.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Do it?

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Do one more soep, do four more SIPs? Whatever makes
you happy? Right there? Check it out, apple, Yeah, it
really brought out a little bit of apple. That spice
is still there. There's oak. I'll tell you no, I
liked it better neat, but that I did too. That boy,

(59:30):
that is just a strange. That's strange how that happened.
And so this was and.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Some people had this listed at sixty dollars a bottle.
This was listed at forty nine ninety nine when I
bought it was on sale for thirty nine ninety nine
and at thirty nine ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Neat absolutely as a nice addition.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Those flavors sweeter than I normally do, but there was
still an oak presence. So I'm like, you know what
I can I can work with this, I can play
with this. It was a bit beguiling.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
I said.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
I was fifty to fifty on what I thought, this
is going to be this kind of weird collab between
Kentucky Owl and Bardstown, but not on the cube man,
who he ha ha and still still sticking with me,
not in a way I like, but Neat, that was
fun Yeah, so now I'm still a Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
What's funny is if you would have said it's sixty
dollars a bottle, I would have said, I wish you
would have said forty dollars a bottle, right, yeah, forty dollars.
That's a sweet spot for me with this bottle. I
would I don't think I'd want to pay any more
than that. And unique about this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
The plan was not to do this combination, right, I
don't plan that far ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Is that it does work.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
When it was neat that sweetness, with the strength of
that cigar, those things were not They weren't contradictory. They
were just different, different enough there was enough contrast to
enjoy that that back and forth. But the cube man,
the cube screws it all up for me, it did.

(01:01:05):
I leave it to you to decide, but it's time
Fingers maloy for News of.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
The Week, Tony, let's stick with the football theme. TMZ
is reporting that it looks like love and Taylor Swift
is great for merch sales. It's TMZ is reporting that
Jerseys flew off the shelves Travis Kelsey Jersey specifically on
Tuesday after he proposed to Taylor Swift two questions.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
First of all, let them be happy together, and that's
the last I'm gonna say that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
They don't know me, I don't know them, It's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
The question is, first, at what moment do the Kansas
City Chiefs offer up a Taylor Swift jersey with some
number that corresponds to her albums or something.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Like that, or one of her songs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
And at what moment does Travis Kell's see where a
Kelsey Dash Swift jersey on the field, because.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
You know he's gonna do it, and it's going to
be taking her name. You know that, we all know it.
I don't know why we're arguing against it. You know
that I'm right the Midia I heard it. You knew
I was right. At what moment does that happen? Well,
I believe players get a percentage of their jersey sales.
I may be wrong on that, but I think that

(01:02:27):
that is kind of baked in to money that they make.
Can can you imagine if he did something like that,
the amount of the Swifties running out and buying Kansas
City Chiefs jerseys.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
The Chiefs are going to have a Taylor Swift jersey
guaranteed or your money back. It's going to come out
in October when they do their whole thing with breast
cancer and breast cancer awareness.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
And everything else. Say because of pumpkin spice.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
It's it no that that would be different. It's it's
going to happen. There's going to be a Kansas City
Chiefs Taylor Swift jersey.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
This is happening. So all of you out there who
are football fans that were clamoring for more. Taylor Swift
during an NFL broadcast, her wishs through. I got so.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Excited, honestly, just go be happy and then stop stop.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
People telling me about it. I I I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
People were like screaming, Oh my gosh, she's doing it good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Have you seen the engagement photos. No, I'm just happy
to know that their true love is still real out there.
It is. Let's see if they get married. Nice back. Thanks,
You're welcome it. See Drink Smoke. I'm Tony Katz. That

(01:03:58):
is Fingers malloy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
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forgot it didn't get done. I thought I thought it
was already done. My mistake, we said a couple of

(01:04:21):
weeks ago, as we were smoking the Tampa Smokers from
J C. Newman, we would post the picture because one
of the cigars in that box is designed like a
baseball bat. It's very cool that we would post it
to our Instagram feed, Eat Drink Smoke Podcast and we
would take all the is it all the people who
responded Nice Bat, and we would pick one of them
and we would send them a Tampa Smoker forgot to post

(01:04:44):
a freaking photo.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
They're just sometimes not enough hours in the day, Tony.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
I don't know how this happens. So this is gonna happen.
Be looking for it. Follow us on Instagram at Eat
Drink Smoke Podcast, and when we post the picture of
the Tampa Smoker, just put in the CA I'm Nice Bat,
and you have a chance to win at Tampa Smoker
Star and be the fifth caller. That's not how this works.
Oh that's that's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
That's say the phrase that pays, which is waka waka
argo bargele.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
I believe, I believe that that is it fingers MELI. Yes,
Let's let's say you don't have a college degree. You
don't have a college degree, Can you still make a
living in today's America?

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Absolutely? You know how how by being an influencer.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
I hate you, I hate you, I hate you over
there at CBS News. Full disclosure. I do not have
a college degree. I never graduated college.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
No, no, I.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Left college to help my family that was in a
financial bind.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
And that was that. Oh until that one done. I
have a college degree. Oh is that right? Oh? Look
at you, la di da, Look what it got me,
a sophisticate.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
You can be earning money without a college degree. The
people from lending Tree, according to CBS News, took a
look at data and what is it that jobs are?
What are the jobs that are paying well? You don't
need a college degree. And the first thing on the

(01:06:20):
list CEOs and legislators. What sure, okay, but that's like, like,
how do you get that gig?

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
They've got aircraft pilots and flight engineers to me, sales engineer.
What's a sales engineer is a great question. It's someone
that you see when you're you're you're coming up with
a sale, you need someone back there tinkering and they're
they're putting together the sale in a way that you

(01:06:55):
could say, you know what you're really good at that,
we're going to give you the title of sales engineer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Also on the list air traffic controllers and airfield operations specialists.
Now allow me, okay because it sounds way frightening when
you say that, considering the kind of output universities have
had over the past two decades, you're very very right

(01:07:21):
not to go to college in many, many ways and
many instances. Without question, you're right. You do not need college.
What you need are skills, What you need is capability. Certainly,
there's the trades, so we're not so the idea for
your university versus trade school or specific training in a

(01:07:42):
subject being different things. This is about a four year degree.
I'm thrilled to see more and more people discussing how
unnecessary it is for some, and I would actually argue
for most, but I'm not going to go so far
as to say for all. Some people, absolutely we will
benefit from four years, not only in terms of the

(01:08:03):
the career that they're heading towards, but for their own development,
for their own growth, for for skill sets of social
ability and and and and compatibility and and how to
deal with with situations. You know your kids. Some of
them need that, and it'll it'll help them tremendously, but
some don't, and some don't want it. And I'm thrilled

(01:08:27):
to see a society and all the respect in the
world to guys like Mike Rowe who have been rowing
upstream not to make a pun there on this subject.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Absolutely right. There's so many other ways, so many more
valuable ways to go about this. Uh. And but this
list is interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Uh. Elevator installers and repairs, And you're like elevators, and
then all of a sudden you're like, oh, that's actually
pretty interesting. Yeah, there's probably a lot of those specialized
kind of fields.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Especially when you go to a big city and stay
at a hotel. How many times do you you walk
into the hotel and they've got four elevators and at
least one of them is broken. It feels like it
happens all the time, And I say to myself, they're
a great chain there. Some people people call them super

(01:09:24):
Oh is that right? Yes, the Super eight. I shouldn't
said Super eight because they don't normally have elevators. But
having said that, no, you've never noticed that before. I'll
tell you what. The couple of times I've stayed in
hotels in Manhattan, it was like it was a challenge
to find an elevator that worked, and you got to

(01:09:46):
have someone to repair them. And I can see where
you wouldn't need a college education for that, But also
I would argue too, there needs to be a re
examination if you are going to get a college degree,
if you could somehow, if the market can somehow influence
these universities. The four year bachelor's degree system is ridiculous.

(01:10:11):
Agree amount of classes that you have to take to
get that bachelor's degree that have absolutely zero to do
with your major. When I went to get my associate's degree,
I went to a community college and then went to
a four year university. I took tennis one in tennis two. That,

(01:10:31):
to you know, fulfill my physical education requirement. What other
than the possibility of rupturing an Achilles tendon, what possibly
can you get out of tennis one and tennis two
in college.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
I think that you are absolutely right, and I would
love to see you play tennis.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
I used to play tennis all the time. Is that right? Yeah?
And then the fact came, oh god, and then that
was the end of that. Yeah, No, I loved I
just had a conversation with my went to the eye
doctor the other day and he plays pickleball and he
was like, oh, you gotta play pickleball if you played tennis.
And I was like, you don't understand I would love
to play pickleball. It combines two of my passions, tennis

(01:11:15):
and ping pong. I would love to do that. But
I know I'm going to step foot on the pickleball
court and within twenty minutes rupturing and achilles. If there's
no doubt in my mind, I was gonna say, die, Wow,
you don't need it. You don't need it. You know,
the four year university. It's it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
If you are willing tell your kids, if you're just
willing to sweat the world is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
There's so many options, opportunities.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
I will give you one that if you just have
a basic level of skills in plumbing and electric the
basic stuff. If you can hang something straight, handyman, yeah,
hand man six figures, no question, set your own schedule,
get good insurance, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Handyman.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
If you can paint, if you like doing different things
all the time, the odd job stuff you don't mind
working late, handyman six figures, no question.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
I'll tell you another one. I wish I would have
embraced the idea when I was in my late teens
and early twenties. And I'm not saying it's an easy
line of work. Real estate. I wish I would. You
don't any college are for that? No, you don't, But
I see, And.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
We should have a whole conversation of residential versus commercial,
because it's commercial.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Where I think it's at.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Yeah, because that's really about relationship building and if you're
willing to wait out the long sales cycle, you if
you can, if you can stick that through, you've got it.
You've got a nice, nice future, because that's about people
who know you know I can trust, and know I
can trust you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Yeah, I just know real estate because I like dealing
with people so much. Oh yeah, that must be it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
This is the wise Man Bourbon coming in at ninety
point eight approof Kentucky Owl barred sound a neat Yes,
the Cube Water forty dollars, absolutely worth it, absolutely worth trying.
And the Liga Undercrown Maduro Toro six by fifty two,

(01:13:25):
big cigar.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
But absolutely have a great labor day.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
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