The Cold, The Cigar, And The Worst Person Alive

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, it's official. Fingers Maloy is the worst person in
the world. Just this week see Drinks Smoke, Come Tony Katz,
And that right there is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers Maloy,
and he's the worst person because he was ill last week.

(00:21):
He had a cold last week, and now I have
a cold and he gave it to me.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Even though we haven't seen each other in two weeks. Yeah,
aside from that, we know I get blamed for everything.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Oh we know, smoking the Belgian blue right here from
the good people of Crown Heads.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's an annual release they do.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
They do a lot of annual releases, and I got
a real question about whether or not there are too
many annual releases going on. But I love Crownheads, John Huber,
the whole team out of there. This is a five
and a half by fifty six, which means it's five
and one half inches.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Long tea I always makes Fingers Boy laugh.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
And the ring age is a fifty six the diameter
of the cigar or how thick it is around. Yeah,
that's a that's a better one. That's world class right there.
So yeah, I have this cold. It's on the nose
and it's in the head and the coffee started, and
I blame you.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
You terrible, terrible human being. So you're saying that, you know,
we did the show virtually last week from two different studios.
You're saying through the computer connection we had I somehow
gave you a virus. I have an AI could there
it is? That is highly accurate.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Right here Mexican San Andreas, rapper, Ecuadorian, and the binder
and the filler is coming from the Dominican and Nicaragua.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
That's what we've got here.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
It is a very very nice feeling wrapper, lots of
oil in there. There's a smoothness almost to touch a
suede going on. The wrapper is a very nice dark brown.
What is interesting is that the corners of this box
press have actual creases.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Could have been just been how it went in the box.
Feel that feel that right there? That is an actual crease,
like an edge, like you can cut paper with this,
like you got it from the cleaners, like like it's
been starched. Yes, that is very weird. I have not
I have not seen.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
That in my days. You know, I've been smoking so
long it's in my days. I see there right here,
fingers you have lit this up. You're puffing away. What's
happening with you?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, right at the light. Just a nice bit of
pepper and that's about it. But you just said it.
I just lit this what a minute ago. So that's
all I can give you right now, is it is
a nice bit of pepper around the light. I fear,
you know, I still have my cold. I fear that

(02:45):
my palette will be influenced by this. Is it in
your nose? Is it in your right? By the way,
we don't advise this, for you know, anybody who's smart
you shouldn't have a cold and smoke us. And in
the main we don't. We don't. But the problem, all right,
so here's here's the problem. I'm not saying this is medicinal.

(03:07):
First of all, it's always a medicinal son. It's how
neither one of us ever got COVID. Oh, cigars kept
away covid. That that is science. The CDC gave the
Fingers Maloy instant. Well, you know what, why don't you
tell them Fingers you tell them cigars keep away covid?
According to the Fingers Maloy Institute of Institutes for institutes,
and they would deny that I got COVID twice, right, COVID,

(03:34):
you don't smoke when you have a cold.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
The problem was I was taking a look at the
calendar next week because of Christmas is so screwed up
and our schedules are so different. I didn't want to
not smoke something this week and then who knows what's
gonna happen next week. We're a cigar and bourbon, you know,
kind of focused show. If you're not smoking cigars, honestly,
what exactly is happening here? So we said we're gonna

(03:58):
we're gonna we're gonna buckle down, We're gonna fight through it.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
We're grown men. We're gonna stop complaining is it cold
in here? And then we'd bring in the show. So
that's that's what we're doing. This was a nice way
to do it.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Picked something that was gonna play big, right, something that
was gonna plays a big, large scale kind of kind
of smoke. Now, not giant, not massive, but the Belgian
Blue is certainly going to hit in a couple of ways.
You talk about spice fingers, by the way, black pepper,
white pepper, red pepper, you're talking about something it's more
of a baking spice.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's a wood spice where you at you know, I
would have said white pepper, but now I'm getting more
towards a black pepper and maybe a little bit of
a baking spice. Originally, I mean, when we just lit it,
it hit me right away. I'm not gonna say it
was a pepper bomb, but it was. It was a
nice belt of pepper to the face. But that's kind

(04:51):
of subsided, and I I don't want to go any
further than that because I'm I don't know if I'm
making stuff up in my head. We're we're so early
on in the first third of the cigar.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, you want to grab your notebooks at this point
and write down what'd you eat today, what'd you drink today?

Speaker 2 (05:07):
What's the weather?

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Finally not frigid frigid temperatures in Indianapolis, Indiana, as many
people across the Midwest have been dealing with super cold
tempts starting to see things nice, starting to see the
snow melt.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, I mean it's I won't say it's beautiful out,
but for December, temperatures are in the forties. If you're
watching us on YouTube right now, Tony's wearing a tank top.
It's really really warm outside for a December day. Turns
out my color mesh ah.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
So what'd you eat today? What do you drink today?
Then take the cigar and break it up into the third.
It's first, third, second, third, final, third, no matter what
cigar it is, what are the flavors you're getting out
of each third of the cigar? You want to write
that down a notebook, Any spiral notebook will do. And
then when you try that cigar a month from now,
six months from now, whatever it is, you do it
again and you check your notes, you compare your notes,
fly on your through line. What is it that you
really felt out of that cigar, and don't worry about

(06:00):
the flavors you're getting. It can be very simple, it
could be very esoteric, means nothing. It's what it is
that's continually happening from certain types of tobacco blended with
certain types of tobacco. That gives you a certain feeling.
And then you're able to decide the kind of cigars
the best work for you. Even though we're believers that
you should try everything and smoke absolutely everything that you can.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
The Belgium Blue right here from crowned heads. My are
you able to get anything off of the cigar? So
here's here's the problem. I'm going to redo this.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
You know, I'm gonna have to redo it right here
because my nose is just my nose is just stuffed
it is, so right now what I get is cigar.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Ah, Let's play America's second favorite game. Let's watch Tony
retro hail. Honestly, if I could.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Retro haal, everything that is clogging my sinu says would
pour right out. It'd be like the River Thames right
here in the studio, by the way, who had River
Thames on their big no card free drink smell?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Uh ha, Oh god, there's nothing.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
There's nothing more crappy than the basic cold because it's
not enough to complain about, but it's just enough to
ruin everything.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
And then on top of it, I mean, anyone who's
listened to you for any length of time can tell
that there's something going on with your voice right now.
You do something really, you do sound a little stuffed up.
So as soon as people get that sense that you
may have a cold, they have to ask you. And
then that's something you want to talk about. Oh are

(07:38):
you are you okay? Do you have a cold? Are
you under the weather. I don't mind if they ask,
I mind when they say, well, you know what you
gotta do. You know what you gotta do. Kill a
live lobster. That's gonna get rid of your cold right away.
Everyone's got a plant.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Well, you gotta take this zake. Oh, you gotta take
the zycam. You know what you gotta do. You gotta
God turned around three times and spit and then boom,
no colds. Right worked for my aunt Sheila. Oh, Aunt Sheila,
no more cold. Got hit by a bus. But no
more cold.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
There it is. I was gonna say she's dead now,
right ah.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
So the answer is I don't know. Maybe I will
get something out of this. I hate to waste it,
John ground Heads, I'm not trying to, but it was
on the list. I know I wanted to get to
it in twenty twenty five because it got released in
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
We'll see if I get any flavor. Look at it
this way, John, it's gonna make him feel better. That's
how I and if not, crowd's heads, we're gonna do
what America does.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
We're going to soup. That is a lot of closed
grocery stores.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I mean that's.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
A crazy amount of Oh oh, they're not closing, They're
just closing for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yes, oh gosh, I read that wrong. It's eat drink smoke.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Oh, Tony Kats, I thought it was the end of days.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Wow, you thought it was nineteen twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Huh, Tony Kats, fingers will eat drink smoke.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
The grocery store is closed on Christmas. I have a question.
Sure were they ever open on Christmas?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
The only place I've ever traveled to on Christmas is
a friend's house or a Chinese restaurant.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
That is what my people do.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I'm gonna be on vacation for Christmas, already, got the
Chinese food restaurant already reserved.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Done by the way, Happy hanukkah ah to Donna Bosi,
Thank you so very much.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
I APPREI a glorious honkah to one at all.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I listen. I don't make a habit of going to
the grocery store on Christmas Day, so I can't tell
you for sure if you know this has been something
that's common. I feel like I remember there's a local
Midwestern chain called Meyer Thrifty acres here in thrifty acres,

(10:04):
myer thrifty acres? Is that what it was called? Yes,
I didn't know that. Uh. And I want to say
I ran there one Christmas twenty years ago to get
cranberry sauce because you can't have Christmas dinner without canned
cranberry sauce. I think you can. No, you can't, pretty
sure you can. It's actually outlawed in Michigan. You have

(10:27):
to have cranberry sauce Christmas dinner. So I this may
be relatively new. That have all of them closed like
this and bye bye. What I mean by all of
them is you look down this list and all the
major chains seem to be closed, right. Costco has closed
all these closed.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
HB is closed, Hive is closed, Kroger, Sam's Clubs, Sprouts, Target,
Trader Joe's, Walmart, Wegman's, Whole Foods.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I don't know what a wind Co is, but they're
all closed. So what do you do? It's Christmas and
you realize I'm fresh out of tarrago. You don't grow
your own that's not in this weather. You don't have
a grow light, a grow room for your tarragon? Is
that what you're telling me.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Can I tell you that? My wife comes to me
and says, you know what we should do? And I said, well,
this is gonna be fascinating. We should we should enclose
the deck. I said, we should do what we should like,
enclose the deck so instead of just four season room,
it's all year round, but we should do it like

(11:32):
a greenhouse, so it's windows all the way so we
still have the view. And I looked at her and
I said, you are a genius and hot. So now
I'm looking into that. I'm never gonna move. I'm gonna
you have to bury me here. I'm going to die here.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
But if I did that, then yes, I would totally
be a guy who grows my own tarragon.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
We do in the spring, summer, fall. We do grow
our own.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Basil, and we grow our own dell mmmm set basil.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Dill Parsley, it's fantastic. I parsially confuses me. I don't
understand why people add that to a dish at all,
because it adds it adds nothing. It adds crunch. Well,
then why not just get a handful of Captain crunch
then and throw it on your dish as well? It

(12:25):
does I grow my own Captain crunch.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
By the way, sometimes it's subtle, sometimes it's textual, and
sometimes really we forget how much we eat with our
eyes and and and especially when you're doing some of
those pasta dishes, and that that.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Little that little sprinkle.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
It it so can it becomes so pleasing and so
uh salivating at that moment that everything else kind of
works with it.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
That that's fair. I know. Sometimes when I walk into
the gas station and I grab myself too dogs, I
think to myself, I forgot my Pocket Parsley to make
this hot dog go to the next level. And I
go ahead and eat it anyway, because you know, why
waste food. But the question I have for you, I
just want to go back to Pucket Parsley because I

(13:18):
I smell a winter idea. Somebody, somebody gets shark tank
on the line. We gotta go present. By the way,
I saw Pocket Parsley open for Rusted Root in eighty nine.
It was a fantastic show. Nice, but going back to
the enclosed deck turning it into some sort of grow room.
What wouldn't be a grow room. It would just it

(13:38):
would have that kind of look. Oh yeah, because you
realize I love this idea that the neighbors. If you
have this setup and then all of a sudden you're
you're bringing in uh grow lights and air circulation, people
may may ask questions. I only hope that they do.
I only hope that they do so. So do you

(14:00):
have to get HOA approval for such a structure? Can
we discuss HOA approval for a moment?

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Please? Do you know how much? There are two things
I love to talk about, social media outrage and HOA approval.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
When we built the Eatrin smoke studios here at my home,
we had to get HOA approval.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Understand we're adding to it. It's very very easy.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
But there was a form and I looked at my
wife and I said, nope. The form said that you
had to get the okay via signature from your neighbors,
and not just the neighbors on each side, anybody who's
behind you, which there's nobody behind us, and.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Those around you. So picture your house is in the middle.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Pictured a grid where you're in the middle like Exo's
the center square, and then you've got eight houses around you,
people across the street.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Hey need you to sign this.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
And I just I looked at it and I said, like,
like Peter Griffin done, and I just walked away. I
couldn't you have to ask your neighbors approvement. I don't
have to ask my neighbors for anything. I barely have
to wave, although I do because I'm super friendly as
opposed to Oh no, I'm a great waiver to the neighbors.

(15:26):
As I pull into the garage and avoid all kinds.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Wave to your new neighbors, Oh, absolutely, have you met them? Yes?
And I have to say the new neighborhood, everyone is
incredibly friendly, and everyone is walking around, they're getting their exercise,
and I fit right in. But everybody's walking around introducing
themselves and that's me. Yeah, exactly, uh, and that's that's

(15:53):
been nice. You know, we're doing some home improvement projects
at the houses. Well we're gonna be finished the basement,
and it just struck me. I've run across on social
media there's this woman who she inherited her dad's condo
and he was head of the hoa and the condo

(16:14):
board there, and he was a hoarder, and so she's
documenting her horder journey as she cleans out this condo
and One of the things the HOA does not allow
is a dumpster in front of the house for any
length of time. And I've had, you know, I did

(16:40):
a room edition at my old house and there were
no questions asked about a dumpster. I don't know is
that common. I mean, did you have to get approval
to have a dumpster in your driveway for a temporary project?
I don't believe.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
From the now, we said, hey, we're doing this, and
they said great, and that was it.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I know for dumpster no, I would hope not. I mean,
we'd always dump everything in the neighborhood pond right then.
Make him feel better.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Hoa's are are nuts and the people are serious about
their HOA.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Oh. We got a guy in the neighborhood retiree. He's
passionate about the HOA. We'll get into it. Eat drinks.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Smoking is your cigar bourbon FOODI Extravaganza on Tony Katz.
That is Fingers Beloy the Belgian blue from Crowned Heads.
This is the twenty twenty five dish of the San
Andreas wrapper right there. And the biggest problem with having
a cold and smoking a cigar is that you know,
you kind of miss the nuances. I'm kind of missing

(17:46):
fingers Bloy because fingers it was the one who had
the cold last week and now I have the cold.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
We haven't seen each other in two weeks, but it's
still my fault that he got sick today. It's right
right through the computer, so for me that that spice
still kind of lingers on the palette. There's a little
bit of maybe some cocoa and some wood. But it
has smoked wonderfully. I haven't had to touch it up.

(18:11):
Maybe once I've had to touch it up. Uh, it's
got We didn't even talk about the Handfield's got a
nice handfield.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
It's stocky, right, it's a very hard box press like
mine has a crease mine could mine could give you
a paper cut?

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Would you say it looks like it has been martinized.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
It it has uh just the right amounts of crunch ah, Right,
it's just happened to be a hard box press on those.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
But you know, you brought up the fact that you're sick, uh,
and it's it all seems to be tired. It all
seems to be right in the sinus area. So it's
difficult to get any cigar notes at all yeah, uh
it it is.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
And and I I I'll smoke another one when I
when I'm feeling better, when when this is all gone.
So I'm in the place where it's moving from the
nose to the throat, and my voice will be gone tomorrow,
it just will. I know exactly what's gonna happen. I
know exactly how this process works. It stinks to high
heaven because it's just annoying. Oh and by the way,

(19:15):
I do radio for a living. I mean I do
this and then I do six hours of radio a
day locally in Indianapolis and nationally syndicated.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
So this is it's a problem, but it happens every year.
It just it just hits me. And that's all there
is to it. But this is an emergency because you're
going away on vacation and you're going to a place
where there's the possibility for a lot of cigar smoking.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
I don't want to say where, even though I may
have already said where, But I don't want to say where.
But the answer is, I'll be fine. I will fight
through it. Do you know why, Because.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I'm a man. There it is. But when you're on
vacation and you feel like this, are you still gonna
smoke cigar? Does it influence your cigar choice when you
have uh? Oh god, I'll be smoking two dollars cigars
all week there. It is absolutely absolutely And I'll be like,
I don't care if I'm sick. I am not giving
up this, this view, this weather, this anything, I will

(20:13):
go through the motion. Because people who don't smoke cigars,
they don't get how even if you're not getting the
notes that you would like to get from a cigar,
it's just so relaxing. Oh, there's such as an there
is such a joyous zen to it. I I have.
I do not like to do.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Work what I'm smoking a cigar because I'm not I'm
focused on the work and I'm not focused on the
cigar and I'm not focused on.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
The moment, and that's not the that's not the point.
That is not the point to it.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
So I've started like when I'm like preparing for something
and I've got to write something, the cigar is out
of the picture.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
I gotta get done.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
And that It wasn't always the way for me, not
the slightest, but it has become a huge part of
the way.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
But when you're doing one of your radio shows during
the week, you're smoking cigars, aren't you. So is it
just not this week? Not this week? But is it
just one of your Okay, I'm having an everyday stick
nothing special. Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Now that's different because that's like how I do this show.
And it doesn't bother me the slightest. It's when I'm
writing and I have to put it down. If I'm talking,
all right, I could do this and I'm focused. I'm
engaging all the things. If you can't see me, there's
a lot of hand movement here, there's a lot of Wow.
He's seen a lot of movies with Italians, and someone's

(21:35):
gonna yell at me for that.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Someone's gonna yell at me.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
For it's Sebastian Menecollscos. I can't even pronounce his name
now because of the cold. But that's the impression. You've
never seen that comic, Yes I have. He's the coffee
cake guy. Yes, yes, he's the coffee he'd like to
be known as the coffee cake. He doesn't care as
long as you buy a ticket. I don't think he
gives it, damn. But the Belgian blue is what we
are smoking. A five and a half by fifty six

(21:59):
box Press Fingers Maloy.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
It is time for news of the week, Tony. The
release of Rob Reiner's final film, a concert film called
Spinal Tap at Stonehenge. The final finale has been delayed
following the murder of the filmmaker and his wife, Michelle.
Variety reported that the film's US distributors said that the

(22:22):
project release was originally schedule for twenty twenty six, but
it will be delayed and it will be determined between
the distributor along with the family when the best time
to release the film will be. Okay. So, Rob Reiner,
his wife Michelle murdered allegedly by their son in their sleep.

(22:44):
I hope in their sleep, but in their bed. It's
beyond horrifying.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
I don't care what you think of Rob Reiner's politics,
and I have many many thoughts. That's not our conversation here,
horrifying story. I don't know why anything has to be
delayed at all the movies.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Is the movie done good to go? I believe so.
But you got to think about promotion of the film.
Who's going to promote it? Other than of course the
guys body and the guys. You know in spinal tap,
but everybody they're going to promote it. There's gonna be
a listen this story. You know, we moved from the
horrible events and the coverage of the events to the

(23:28):
eventual trial. This is going to take a while and
emotions are obviously going to be raw. Uh. It's got
to be difficult to promote a film like this with
with this cloud over everyone's head. I don't know if
it is. Why, Why why would we assume such a thing?

(23:48):
I don't I honestly don't know what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
How the film is done, The film has to get out,
that the the the people who made the film have
to get their money back.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
What's the art give it here? I'm just telling you're
not making any sense though, so I'm being a human beings.
I know you're a robot young, but some of us
have a feeling that is not feelings.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
This is about releasing a film. The film's made. Of course,
you release it now. If you want to wait a
couple weeks to make sure you've got the right release,
that's fine. I'm not opposed to such a thing. But
the idea that somehow all of this is such a
big decision.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I reject that. Well, that's not a big It could
be that the person who was involved in the decision
is no longer with us, and there also has to
be a procedure in place to be able to figure
out if someone else can immediately step in and say
it's it's okay to release it. It could be that too. Again,

(24:51):
is the movie done now?

Speaker 1 (24:52):
If the movie wasn't done, if the movie wasn't complete,
if there's still some work to do on it, well
then that's a thing I would agree with you. But
if it's done, I'm not I'm not hurting anybody's legacy.
I'm not insulting anybody.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
I'm not just saying I understand it. If you don't
understand it, that's fine. You know what. That's the reason
why they call me fingers Hollywood malloy and you just
don't understand how the inner workings of Hollywood. Uh work? Listen,
fingers d list Maloya, explain something to you. I I tried.

(25:33):
We're making light of this, and we're not. We'd not know.
It's it's that what happened to the show must go on?
I'm asking a question. The show must go on.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
They spent all this money, did all this work, and
now someone's gonna side, well, it's just too painful to release. No,
it's not too painful to release. I'm just speculating. Let
it go, let people enjoy it. They want to see it,
don't you want to see it?

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yes? Yes, absolutely. And I can't believe I haven't seen
Spinal Tap two yet and I was going to run
to the theater, uh to see it. I think it
was only in theaters for a couple of weeks, and
you know, I'm incredibly busy, so I didn't get a
chance to see it. So wait, this isn't this is
a different spinal tap. I this is a concert. Oh okay,

(26:22):
So it's like that you know they have from what
I've seen in the trailer they perform a concert. In
the movie, there's concert footage. So maybe they just did
a whole concert for people and they recorded it and
they were gonna say, okay, here's another here's another spinal
tap film.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
I'm just saying that people are going to rally around
it no matter when you put it out though there's
no there's.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
No right time, there's no wrong time. I think it
will be highly successful.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely, and hopefully because it's actually good and entertaining.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Well spinal tap, how could it not be? That's that's
that is my take. That is what I hope horrible
story though, Yeah, absolutely fight Fingers. I know you have
been doing a tremendous amount of research on how you
can live forever. Ever Ever, I already know, oh you do,

(27:15):
because I'm going to live forever and how you're gonna
do it. I'm gonna learn how to fly. Hi, I
feel it coming together. People will see me and cry.
I Irene Kara. You know you try to have your
finger on the face of pop culture and it's just completely.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Did you just do a fame reference? Are we gonna
get a whold Debbie Allen speech?

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well, fame costs and right here is where you pay
in sweat? Mess with me?

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Did I say hello? See trick smoke? I'm Tony Katz.
That is American's favorite averagur drinker.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Fingers molloy.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Uh, there's a story from the place where Fingers Foy
gets all his live Forever news vegeoutmag dot com.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Listen, if you're gonna live forever, you're gonna wanna vedge.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Out Longevity researchers say, people who live past ninety all
share these eight surprising daily habits.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Habit number one waking up. All right, you wanna go
through this, You wanna go through this list?

Speaker 1 (28:24):
What do the people who live to the age of
ninety now living to the age of ninety?

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Here's the only question. Are they aware? Wow? That's dark? Ooh,
there's a different between being alive and living. That's true. Well,
I'm work for the purposes of this conversation, will assume
that they are aware. Number one on the list they
stay connected to people decades younger. And I'll give you

(28:49):
a good example. Say you're the former head coach of
the New England Patriots. Oh jeejus, Oh, poor Jordan. How
did she need to deserve this? Did you see folk?
There was a story the other day.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
I've heard her cheerleading competition and grandpa was there holding hands.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Okay, there's a lot a man will do for a
woman seventy five year old young she's twenty four or
something like that. Yeah, he's sitting in the stands dying inside. Right,
if we're being honest, he's dying inside. But while he's

(29:34):
doing that, because he's staying connected to people decades younger
and with her. He's really connected the fact that he
coaches college at UNC.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
By the way, I see my coach at seventy five
with the twenty four year old Hotty sitting in the
stands watching her cheerleading competition. I immediately hit the transfer portal.
I couldn't hit the transfer portal hard enough. Really, that
is not a guy focused unwinning. He's winning something else.
But I need to win football games.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
I'm thinking I want to be just like that guy
when I grow up fifty years from now.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Great, first step, fine, Tom Brady, second step, question mark,
third step?

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Profit? Good lord? What else? Thank connect with people.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Younger than you, young at heart, young mind. I get
all that. I'm cool with that.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
So Number two they walk a lot. They walk. You
gotta keep moving, right. I know that's the fitness regimen
that I have. I walk at least twenty two miles
a day. Oh yeah, that's how I stay looking thirty
three years old. You look great, Thank you. Number three

(30:44):
on the list they eat the same foods repeatedly. And
I have to tell you I have noticed this about
Fingers Moy senior. For those who are just tuning in,
fingers moy senior, Uh moved in if you haven't been
following to my house. He's eighty seven years old. He
likes to eat the same things over and over again.
He starts the day two eggs, Sonny side up, sign

(31:08):
three links of sausage, nice and two pieces of sour
dough bread. Doesn't get sick of it? You would think
after wouldn't you get sick of having the same breakfast
over and over again? It depends on the breakfast. How
about this breakfast? Two eggs Sonny sign up, three links
of sausage and some sour dough toast. So is the

(31:29):
toast buttered? Yes? Oh yesh, sounds delicious. I could eat that.
I know. He doesn't care that I share this information.
He puts half a stick of butter on his bread,
good for him, and goes through a jar of manonnaise
a week wait eighty seven. Yes, it's crazy. You hear

(31:50):
all the things you're not supposed to do, and it's
like it's raining cholesterol. It's like the great line from
George Burns.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
He's on with Johnny Carson, and Johnny Carson ass how
many cigars do you smoke? Because it smokes ten cigars
a day, and Johnny says, what does your doctor think
of it?

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Before you can finish, George Burns goes, my doctor is dead.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
That's that's by it is so good. It's delivered so perfectly.
George knew where this was going before it happened. What
he was gonna say, it was glorious.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Good on fingers, Ulo, I see in your fine work
that he's doing. So that's what he has for breakfast.
What does he have for lunch? A sandwich okay, yeah,
and low sodium bread or sodium ham excuse me, okay.
And then for dinner whatever we make for dinner. But
a lot of times he goes ahead and makes his
own dinner because dinner's at four o'clock. Oh, because that's

(32:41):
that's I don't know what it is about the elderly
and they have to eat dinner before five. But that's
a thing and it's real, and he he does that.
So he'll have whatever you're making, like like a steak.
We don't usually listen. We're just a regular meat and potatoes,

(33:04):
blue collar family. Tony. I know it, well, meat and potatoes, roast,
maybe chicken. I know, you know it's raining steak here
all the time at the cat's household. But you know,
steak is a is a is a treat at our house,
So go go more on the list. You did that,

(33:25):
what else do you go? They maintain a daily routine
without being rigid. So they wake up around the same time,
they eat roughly at the same hours, have activities they
do regularly. But if something disrupts that routine, they adapt
without stress. Yeah, that part, I'm not buying that for
a second. They do not adapt without stress. Somebody has stress.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
It might not be them, but somebody has definite stress.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
I have not, and you know you have, you know,
elderly parents, parents, parent Uh, I don't feel like I
don't know if this is the way it is for you,
throwing curveballs in the schedule, it's the schedule has to
be changed days in advance. My mother is pretty easy going.

(34:15):
She's pretty easy flowing in the in the stuff. She's
fine with it.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Whatever, that's cool, that's great, right, And so there there's
a real positive to that. And there are times where
I wish she was a little bor No no, no, I've
got my thing.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
I can't do that. I've got a thing. No no, no,
I'm done.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
I'm going to this, I'm gonna see that person. I'm
gonna do that thing. I'm busy, but no, no, make
that another day. I'm too busy for that. No no, no, no,
I would I would actually enjoy that. I would like
that for her. Right, It's it's like your kids. Like
I can say that I've got excellent kids and they
don't get in trouble. And also I'd like it if

(34:53):
they got into a little bit of trouble. Ah right,
you want them.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
To have, uh these U some experiences to be like,
oh my gosh, that was nuts, and and you a
little bit of Now I'm doing this, let other people
figure it out. Let other people, uh, you know, change
their schedules for me.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
I don't have to stand jo my schedule for them. Adaptivity,
No I want. I'm not going to adapt. I'm going
to do exactly what I'm doing. Change today.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
That was my point. They stay involved in their community.
Everyone that this person has known lived well past their nineties, uh,
was embedded in their local community. They knew their neighbors.
This was one thing that my father in his neighborhood,
all the neighbors talked and they were all over seventy

(35:48):
and it's so foreign to him that when he moved
down here, nobody talks. And I think that you you
said that when you moved to Indiana you felt the
same way right there there. I don't know what it
is about Indiana. And by the way, not complaining that
you know, uh, people aren't is outgoing and friendly and

(36:10):
you know, maybe you'll get a high and that's fine
by me. But on to sit and talk for an
hour with your neighbor across the picket fence. That that
doesn't happen very often.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
No, no, it doesn't. Also, picket fences don't happen very
often either.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
It's an interesting list. It's about staying focused, staying active,
and staying you know, recognizing that you're still alive, which
I think is a huge, huge part of it. Exercise
your brain, live, laugh, love, look at you like a poet.
Keep it here. It's eat, drink, smoke. You need a
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Speaker 2 (38:04):
I was just selling fingers away before he went on.
It's been a day and this cold is really bothering me.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
And when you have a cold and you're smoking cigars,
you can't catch all the flavors.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
It's even more annoying. And then we looked at Burman's
and I said, no, no, I'm not opening anything new.
I'm going back to the well, well a little bit
better than the well.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
I went to Costco, got myself a hot dog, and
then pulled out my bottle of bottled and boned.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Did he drink smoke?

Speaker 1 (38:33):
I'm Tony Katz, And that right there is America's favorite
amateur drinker, Fingers molloy. Yeah, Fingers had the cold last week.
And so he grabbed himself some uh white peppermint or
some chocolate white chocolate peppermint eggnong. Yes, is what he
had himself right there, and he was happy. Man, he
was happy. But now he's here in studio. He did

(38:54):
not give me the cold. I got this independently, and
I'm like I can't.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
The noses wereus. It's it's it's stuffed yet it runs yet.
People don't need to hear this.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
How are we not doing a hot tottie?

Speaker 1 (39:08):
I great question. Great a full disclosure. I've never been
a fan. I've never been a fan of the hot toddy.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Is the honey, it's the whole thing. It's the concept,
it's it's that just it's it's like tea. Do you
drink tea? Iced tea?

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, tea is gross. Iced tea is is too Now.
I can't say that in the South because I'll get killed.
So I just smile and say, oh, that's right now
for me, just a just.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
A diet coke things. I think. I think that's will
work for me right now.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
And I come up with some excuse about why I
don't do sweet tea. Why because I don't want to
get thrown out of Georgia or Alabama. These are lovely
people and I love them, But I couldn't. I couldn't
bring myself to open something new, something we hadn't done before,
something I need to give my time and consideration to.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Now.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
I opened up my giant bottle of Kirkling signature bottled
in bond.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Look at this monster.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Right here, this glorious thing from Barton seventeen ninety two.
I actually found the mash bill. I remember if we
had this last time we tried it. Seventy four percent corn,
eighteen percent rye eight percent malted a barley right there,
aged at least four years, and of course one hundred

(40:22):
proof because if its bottled and bond always applause A
light applause from fingers.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
From the way today, Oh, one hundred proof, but it
was it was very soft. Say it's one hundred and
forty proof, it's one hundred and ninety two proof. And
then and then we put it in a rocket ship.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Yeah, I just I couldn't bring myself to open up
something new that needs a time. I always thought that
this coming in at like twenty five thirty dollars for
this size bottle, I thought this was a spectacular deal
and that if you couldn't find, if you didn't get
it at Costco, you missed it. And they'll do another one, right,
They do some of these things yearly. They did a

(41:05):
very very nice job with this. I would tell you
the nose right now, fingers, Billy, I can't no, I can't.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
I have no capacity right now. As we've done this show,
the whole cold has now become a human disaster area.
I should be quarantined fingers welloy.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
But but you you do some nose while I sip
on it, have any taste a nice little bit of
spice to it?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
You get Karen caramel vanilla, you know, uh, maybe a
hint of citrus. Listen, it's solid. And the other thing too.
You mentioned the price point. This is the kind of
bottle that you can enjoy straight and be fine with it.

(41:50):
But if you've got a friend that comes over and says, listen,
I want to mixed drink, You've got no problem using
this as well. Oh absolutely.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
I just took a sip and and I felt some
of the heat, and I feel it in the in
the middle chest and my nose opened up?

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Did it? Oh? Oh?

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Nothing, says hey, do video while you're doing a podcast,
while you're doing a radio show with a running nose.
Just brutal, absolutely brutal.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
But no, the warmth that I remember and a little
bit of lusciousness is what I get on the tongue.
I'm not getting all the flavors. So this is what
do you call that thing? The dewey pot. What's the
thing that you put in your nose? Said Nettie pot,
A Nettie pot, A Dewey pot, Dewey pot. So this
is like a distilled.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Tomas Dewey, of course, who lost the fame election to
Harry Truman.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
That's who it's named after. The Dewey pot. Yes, he
said a dewey pot in every home, and a chicken
in every dewey pot.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
I believe was the quote. I'm pretty sure that was wrong. Figures,
boy is gonna do what's known as the Kentucky chew.
When you're taking that first sip, you move the juice
around the palette really trying to get an idea of
where those flavors are. I do like the two SIPs methodology,
the first sip to set the taste buds, second sip
to really get an idea of those flavors.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Fingers. You're right, you look a little paint. It's a
nice little bit of spice that it got a nice
little sting on the tongue, little gentle warmth. That caramel
is there. There's like an apricot kind of as well.
And for me, there's that there's oak, it's it's it's
it's nice, and it's a nice sipping whiskey right now.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Remember seventy four percent, eighteen percent rye. There is a
should be a little bit of a punch here, a
little bit of a hey, you should notice me right here?
And and it was it was twenty five dollars, thirty
dollars and just that's a crazy deal in a world
of no crazy deals.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
None.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
There was a local liquor store going out of business.
Oh and so they were part of a chain, and
I could not understand they were putting things on sale.
I picked up a bottles, and so we're covered for
a while.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
I couldn't figure out why they just wouldn't put the
bottles in another store. Oh it's a chain, Yeah, why
didn't they just move the bottles to another store?

Speaker 1 (44:12):
The building sold so they had to be out. And
I guess the answer is, you know, markups are still good.
It was a chance to get people in the store
and a chance to sell a whole bunch of products.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
So why not take advantage of that?

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Because anytime you see you know, it's like when you're
buying the rugs store closing, same store has been closing
for nineteen years. Store closing it does, it moves, it
motivates people. So I guess they could have moved the bottles,
but I think they want to see how things would move,
how they could get the product out.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Maybe I introduced some more people to the place. So
did you get anything different that you'd never tried before?

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Or oh yeah, oh nice? Seven of them. Seven of
them are things I've never tried before. And then I
have one angels envy that I believe is like triple oaked.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
I believe that's what it was. Well, I just realized something.
What did you realize? I know that you are having
a difficult time today with the cold and not only
doing the review of the bottle and bond but feel fine? Yeah,
but also the cigar. Yeah, you never did ask me
if the cigar is in my humidor and what the

(45:21):
price point is for that cigar? So well, that's what
we'd like to call a radio teas ladies. Is that
what they call that? Yes, I wasn't aware. We will
get to that in a little bit, but I'll be curious.
I have no idea the price of the Belgian Blue
from crownded Head. No you did not, So I'll be
curious because you've got this Kirkland bottle and bond that
you said you can get between twenty five and thirty

(45:42):
dollars a bottle. I'll be interested to know what the
price point is of this cigar. This is a one
of those very budget friendly pairings that we look for.
Maybe I'm gonna go for maybe.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Oh, right there, as we're smoking the Belgian Blue from
Crowned Heads five and a half by the Afty six
Mexicans and Andreas Rapper, your Dominican Nicaraguan in the filler right there.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
There are still deals to be had on bourbon.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
And as you know, it being Christmas, this is the
favorite time of year for Fingers mulloy because all the
gift sets and all the deals that are out there,
and there are some good ones for sure.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Especially at grocery stores. Unless you're being accosted once again
by cellular phone companies in the grocery store trying to
get you to switch your service. Still happens, Yes, and
I'm very angry. And this is a grocery store that
rhymes with Kroger. Yes, okay, Croker, we'll get into it.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
So I want to make sure we're all clear about something.
We don't engage politically on eat drink smoke.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
It is eat drink smoke.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I'm Tony Katz and that is America's favorite amateur drinker,
Fingers maloy. When we recorded this week, it was quite
literally early hours before President Trump made a speech that
was scheduled for the Oval Office at nine pm midweek.
President Trump was going to make a speech, and there

(47:13):
was massive speculation.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Was this going to be a speech about the economy?

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Was this going to be a speech about Venezuela and
the military build up that's been going on their fingers
will Way.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
If we had the contents of the speech, because it's
something that would be discussed in the cigar lounge, we
would discuss it. What's happening, what's going on, and we
can talk about the economy, we could talk about uh Venezuela.
But I because of how we do the show.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
The timeliness matters, and sometimes that the time changes, and
so I don't want people to think that we avoid
subjects that would clearly be in people's consciousness and be
things that people are talking about, whether in the g
gar lounge or over the holidays or anything else.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Fingers Yeah, And we could sit here and wildly speculate,
but what's the point. Literally, the speech is going to
happen in a couple of hours. We don't know what
he's gonna talk about, and by the time you hear
this program, you're gonna know what he said.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
So if so, if it's the Venezuela conversation, and we'll
do this little bit of speculation, understand that we right
now have eleven warships and fifteen thousand troops in the Caribbean.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
We have been shooting at.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
These drug boats, so we can at least agree they
are not fishing boats. This is a conversation about whether
or not we want fentanyl coming into the country. Yet,
President Trump is referred to fentandel as a weapon of
mass destruction, and there's a movement to engage in more
criminal penalties and other penalties for bringing those drugs in.
But there's a conversation about whether or not you're engaged

(48:41):
in this action. Is this not an active war? And
if it's an active war, you require congressional approval. No
commander in chief, fingers will. No commander in chief is
gonna say I'm in charge of the military but let
me first get the approval of Congress.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
You're going to say, I have to make these decisive actions.
I'm going to engage in regardles of you. You are.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Barack Obama did the same things. Bill Clinton took out
the aspirin factory. There's a lot we could go. We
go as far down the road, guys, as you would
like to. No president is going to unilaterally give up
their powers commander in chief to the legislative the legislative branch,
if they want the declaration of war, they're going to
have to demand that the president come to them. They're

(49:21):
going to have to assert their authority as an Article
one power the Constitution instead of the executive branch, which
is an Article two power the Constitution.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Well, but what is consistent is the opposition party always
hollers that there needs to be a declaration of war.
It doesn't matter what party it is. Generally, when it
comes to something like this, that is what happens. I
don't disagree with you. One of the interesting things that's
been happening is that nobody has and so it seemed
like it seems like this thing that members of Congress

(49:51):
wanted to grumble about it they wanted the politics of it,
but they didn't want to really get involved. It's very
hands off, and I personally think that's pretty messed up.
It's very Congress. It's totally Congress, right.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Yeah, they want to complain about the thing, but they
don't actually want to do the work exactly.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
No, no, no, no, no. Doing work is for other people.
I will say this, if it is some sort of
a major military action in Venezuela, I think the President
needs to come out tonight and sell the American people
on it, because they've seen what's been happening. But I
don't know if he has walked them along to this

(50:28):
point where they're ready for this, not knowing what the
president would say.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
The conversation is also that Maduro Nicholas Maduro, who's the
president of Venezuela, is actually the thug of Venezuela. There
have been elections and he has disregarded the results of
those elections, I believe twice. So one of the moves
could be we're going to simply recognize who is the
duly elected government.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
We're gonna say it again, and now we're not even
going We're not working with those people.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Those people are persona on Grada and the Maduro and
we're gonna do whatever we have to do.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
But there's also the seizing of oil tankers.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
If it costs the Venezuelans, as is reported, two hundred
million dollars a week to keep everything up and running,
government up, in the military paid, and you.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Seize oil tankers where they make about two hundred million
dollars an oil tanker. You could do the math.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
And this is about a level of economic starvation a
la Ronald Reagan and the ending the Cold War with
Gorbachev by bringing the price of oil down so much
that the Russians simply couldn't operate, They couldn't sell anything,
they couldn't make any money.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
YEP. So we're gonna find out tonight what he's gonna say.
And it may have nothing to do with this, but
the speculation is at this point that this could be
what he does. Other thing it could be about is
the economy, where the administration is at least finally learning
that you can't tell.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
People you were gonna reduce costs on day one, not
reduce the cost on day one, and then tell everybody
is vance. The Vice President said in a speech in
Pennsylvania the other day that the economy.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Is a plus plus plus. You got a lot of
good things coming down the road.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
You have the opportunity for greatness comes second quarter of
twenty twenty six, which if you don't have it by
the end of the second quarter, Republicans could kiss the
midterms goodbye for sure.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
But you can't sell people on that right now. You
have to bring them in and say, here's what we're
working towards, and here's how we're doing it, and here,
if you'll just hold on, here's the results, come into
the fight with us.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
They never did that. They're only starting to do that
right now. And I wonder if that is even if
it's not the speech that happened midweek, isn't that the
right approach anyway?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Absolutely? And yeah, you have to show empathy. I go
back to the election presidential election nineteen ninety two, George
Herbert Walker Bush, Ross Perrot, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton, I
feel your pain saying that this is the worst economy
and in what was it fifty years or thirty years,
I can't remember the exact quote. And while it wasn't

(53:04):
even close to the worst economy in thirty years, Americans
were hurting, and at that point Republicans did not make
the case that they've had empathy for what American people
were feeling at the time. And I think that the
President has to acknowledge that, you know things, the American
people right now are very very nervous about the economy,

(53:28):
oh legitimately, so they're worried about AI, they're worried about
their jobs.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
They're looking at in a lot of places the rise
and costs. Now, we should be perfectly clear. I keep
hearing that car insurance is going to go down. I
haven't necessarily seen it yet. I have seen certainly egg
prices go down and energy prices go down like gasoline
as we're talking per barrel on the West Texas crew,
so that's the oil that comes out of the ground,
the Brent crewed comes out of the oceans.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Both were under sixty dollars a barrel.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Well at the same time, silver was at sixty four
dollars and ounce bounce, the silver costs more than a
barrel of oil. I don't know what to do with that.
I don't know what that's supposed to signal economically. Is
that good or is that horrifying?

Speaker 2 (54:10):
And a lot of people in the country today don't
know how to take in this information and make sense
of it. And I think that the.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
I would argue, again not getting into the politics of it,
that Americans still feel that Trump has a better handle
on the.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Economy than Biden or Kamala Harris would have. Like that's
my take.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
I know you guys know I reside on the political right,
but I argue that that's my take.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
In general. They're not happy with what's happening.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
That's why you're seeing the polling look very bad for
Trump on these economic issues.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
But you would think gas prices coming down would be something.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Because if that's the barrel price, you'll see the gas
prices change in like two three weeks.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Right, it's the gas prices are trailing indicator. You would
think that would be a hot damn unless your state
raises gas taxes. Dude, you are mister buzz Killington. You
really are.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
So we don't know what the speech was because we
aren't soothsayers, but that's our take. If we got it right,
send us a cookie because because the economy.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Is rough and we could use a cookie. Sneaker, Google, Eat, drink, smoke.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
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Speaker 2 (55:54):
To the bathroom. I'm just checking right now, Tony. Yeah,
I'm getting on the Amazons quick delivery. It's still you
still have time before Christmas to be able to order
Let's Go Barbecue or Let's go Bourbon and have it
be on your front door, ready to give to one
of your loved ones.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
From the guys at eat a drink smoke. So, because
I have a cold, I didn't go fancy on the bourbon.
I went back to the well to the Kirkland signature
bottled in bonds coming in at one hundred proof there.
I didn't even move it to a rock. I have
the cold. It's just it wasn't no and it's not
fingers fault. Really, even though he had a cold last week,

(56:33):
we haven't seen each other in two weeks. It's just
that time of year now. As for the Belgian blue
that we are smoking here from Crowned Heads, have had
a little trouble keeping it lit me with my cold
and putting it down and things like that. But I
think the construction of the cigar is solid. I think
the field of the cigar. You referred to it as hefty.
I think that's that's not a bad way to put it.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Stocky is what I said. Stocky is what you said.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Yes, molloy, this is a five and a half by
fifty six Mexican San Andreas rapper. You are now into
the final third, oh, no, second third of that cigar?
Is this in your not close to the final third?
Is this in your humid or? For thirteen dollars and
fifty cents MSRP. Yes, yeah, listen, I'm gonna have to
smoke it again because you can't smoke it.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
With a cold.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
But what I it's it's been a while, right, We've
been doing the show for an hour and a half
and so, and I'm still smoking it, right something smoking slow,
things have in my nose have opened up, so I'm
able to get a little bit of it.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
There is there is a richness of play.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
I think if I didn't have the cold, it would
come across much more full bodied.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
For me, I feel much more of it.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
So I'm not a great person to judge us right now,
I will do it again, but my faith in John
Hubert and Crowned Heads is very, very real. This plays,
I think a little bit like this has some connectivity
to their blood medicine line. The only question that I
ask you fingers and thirteen fifty for a five and

(58:05):
a half inch cigar, right if it was a raboosto,
I don't know five and a half inches, You're like, well,
and it's a box press. It was a really intense
box press, like really really creased at the edges.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
They do this as an annual release. Are you down
for annual releases or are you somebody who believes in
core lines. No. I like annual releases. I like to
try new things. The only thing that's disappointing about annual
releases is if you really like something, then you have
to start hoarding right right. You have to go and
you have to buy as many of them as you

(58:38):
can get your hands on. That's the only problem. Second
year in a row.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
I was not able to get the CEO Amazon Basin right,
which I think they do a great job with.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Okay, that's there once a year cigar. Everybody can have.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
One, and they do the year of the you know,
the on the Chinese zodiac, Chinese New Year's kind of thing.
Those kinds of things happen, But I don't there's a
lot of just one off releases, and I don't know
if that's because the cigar is better or it's just
odd marketing that that works. And why can't it be

(59:11):
part of the line. Why can't it be a part
of what you do?

Speaker 2 (59:16):
You know? I've been thinking about.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
This conversation with with Michael Herklott's of Ferry Otago, where
he's like, we we do what we do, We play
the hits and we build on that and we and
we create better experiences to that, and it has really
kind of hit me as a question of marketing of
what is it that we're trying to get accomplished here.

(59:38):
I don't want John Huber and Crowdheads to stop making
cool stuff. I'm desperate for them to make cool stuff.
But now you got so many things, doesn't it become exhausting?

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Well, my question to you is, because you know I've
said this on several occasions, I am a cigar fan.
You have a real passion for cigars, go well beyond
my feelings towards them and the rational Yeah, have you
seen an annual release from a brand that ends up
becoming a core part of a brand. That's a great question.

(01:00:13):
You can think about the top of your head. Off
the top of my head, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I can't think of anything that was an annual release
and now something they do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Although I'm sure there are plenty of people be like, oh, yeah, here's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
The list, but you know, I'm sure that it's out there,
but it's it's maybe I'm not saying it right. Does
the consumer feel that, Okay, now you're just trying to
Now you're just trying to screw me. Now you're just
trying to You're just throwing something out there. You're giving
it a special name. You're saying, oh, look at this,

(01:00:44):
but it's not special. It's it's whatever. It's not different.
It's it's unfair what you're doing here. It's not a
way to treat the consumer who wants to create a
long time relationship and value.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
I think you see a lot of people that just
want to try new things, and they get excited when
they see just like with bourbon. Right you got you
got a new limited release run from a distillery, and
you're like, oh, you know what, I want to get
my hands on it. But then there is that feeling
afterwards if you really like it, like, oh, this is disappointing.
I can't get this anymore. Should that be the name
of our cigar bread limited release? Yes, it's disappointing. Uh,

(01:01:24):
it's I just I wonder if it gets to people sometimes,
because maybe it's it's personal. It gets to me a
little bit like, come on, what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Listen, I've got I've got nothing but good things to
say about Artoral Fun Day. But dear Lord, now I
must say I have a whole theory about our Trio
Fun Day where they've got the new factory and they're
putting things out left and right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
You want my theory on Arto Fun Day. Everybody wants
my Artural Fun Day theory? Please.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
I I don't know Carlito, I don't know the family.
I have nothing but respect. I would love to have
this conversation with them, fly them out to Indianapolis offline
noun to wherever they are, no problem. I believe what
you're gonna see from point DA is the biggest full
court press in cigar lounges that you have ever seen.

(01:02:15):
And they are going to try and take the shelves.
We've got fifty facings. We've got this wrapper, that wrapper,
that wrapper. We've got the special things over here with
the and diejos. We've got this here with the rare pinks.
We've got the opus over here. We've got the special
things over here, the thing we do with open society.

(01:02:36):
Over there, they're gonna take the humid or and they're
gonna place into price points from the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Five dollars to the fifty five to one hundred and
fifty five and cover the gamut.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
And they're gonna say we control cigars, not just in
the US. Boom mess with us. And I wonder if
I was a betting man. I wonder if A, if
that's true, and B was the impetus to that. What
Placentia did. Placentia was the people making cigars for others,

(01:03:08):
and they had the farms and they were growing the tobacco.
And then they started saying, well, this is our tobacco. No,
it was really good tobacco. No, no, no, well we'll
keep that here. We'll make this over there. And then
they come up with a line of cigars that are
exceptionally good, not good, exceptionally good. Dear lord, Placentia makes

(01:03:28):
some excellent stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Uh, the fifty one Cosekas. I adore those out of Honduras.
They're great. Holy crap, Holy crap. So I wonder if
they looked at that where they're like, we could just
control this. Why are we rolling for other people? We'll
just roll for us. I'm not even mad at them.
I think that's what Quent is doing. Okay, we agree

(01:03:50):
that's not good, right, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Now you can argue because it's it's so much control
under one group. I'm not saying that other cigars won't exist.
I am saying that I think that's what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Is it good? And this is this is we're free markers.
So no, but yeah, I mean, and this isn't a
criticism of our turrifflente. It's just if you are someone
that likes to go into a lounge and see a
wide variety and then all of a sudden, other brands
are getting muscled out. Is that good for the consumer?

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
No, You and I would both agree that's not good
for the consumer.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
And it would be a real problem if our.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Turpente wasn't making something you really liked, because they do
they If you look at my human er right now,
I have got a shelf of nothing but angel Share.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
You're welcome. I have got some very very good stuff
in there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
I'm just saying that I think that's the move that
they're making, and I do think it's going to have
some effects on smaller guys not being able to find
the shelf space that they were.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Able to prior as soon as twenty twenty six, am
I betting man? Yeah, I watch for it. See if
I'm right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
We got so into our conversation about our Turpent day
and you can catch even more of it as we
were talking after uh we went to break and we
covered it there on the video and if you find
all our videos on YouTube YouTube dot com slash Eat
Drink Smoke, you'll see everything that we do. It is
Eat Drink Smoke. I'm Tony Katz. That is Fingers molloy.

(01:05:31):
Christmas right around the corner. Fingers very excited very ready.
It's gonna be joyous.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Are you are you ready? I am accept I was
hoping we were gonna have a white Christmas here in
central Indiana. And I think the forecast next week it's
gonna be seventy five degrees. It's gonna be sixty.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
It's gonna be sixty in Indianapolis, where we are razy,
totally ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
But because we were so into the conversation about one day,
it is time now for news of the week. Well,
let's stick with the Christmas themed Tony. People are outrage Yes, yes,
ho ho ho. There is a Christmas tree farm in
New Jersey, White Cough's Christmas Tree Farm in there. Many

(01:06:15):
times they're dubbed New Jersey's original colored tree Farm. They
are selling nine different colored Christmas trees. These are real trees.
The colors are pink, purple, dark blue, light blue, turquoise, magenta, red,
and black. Per the sight, Tony, And if you look

(01:06:36):
at these pictures, who yeah, I mean some of these
one looks very much like Honolulu Blue, Tony, which I
high flying, so high flying Detroit line. Yes they not
playoff bound Detroit Lions yet, but the season is not over.
Look to the end to the end. Indeed, so the

(01:07:00):
way that they they they color these trees, they grow
them right on the farm and them and then they
paint them what they what they believe is safe, with
a fireproof Latex based paint specifically formulated for Christmas trees.
So I know, uh, have you ever had a Christmas

(01:07:21):
tree in the house ever? No, being Jewish, I never
had a Christmas tree.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Sometimes people I know, I know, and sometimes they refer
to it as a Hunica bush. And uh, And I
just want to say, for the record, I think people
could do anything they want, even if they're wrong, and
so so they if that's what you want to do,
you go ahead and you can do it. But being
as you know, a Christmas tree purest right there, this

(01:07:46):
is an abomination before the Lord, I said, it decorate
your Christmas tree. And oh, by the way, lights outside
white and white twinkling, none of this giant bulb color light.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
It's nonsense. It looks cheap and ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
And Tawdrey I said, I really want people to hate
me donating.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Where can everyone get in touch with you too? I
believe you can email me if you would like to
email the podcast at Ben Shapiro at yahoo dot com
is where you can get in touch with the podcast
right there. I'm amazed at some of these trends. Now.
Back in the early nineties, Tony, I used to work

(01:08:30):
for a pool and patio store. If you ever needed
to buy some patio furniture, you'd come to Old Fingers More.
If I needed to adjust the pH yes, I would
sell a test kit where you could find out if you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Had your finger over it and yes, shake it. Yes,
you see where the color matches up like a polaroid picture.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Right, that's how I shake it, shaking it right now. Well,
after pool season was over, we switched over to a
Christmas tree store and we would sell artificial trees. And
in the early nineties there was this trend for a
little while with silvertree, the silver tree and black Christmas trees,
and people would hang them upside down from the ceiling.

(01:09:10):
But yes, you heard me. They would hang their Christmas trees,
mount the tree upside down on the ceiling and have
it hanging from the ceiling in the early nineties. And
that's exactly what my reaction was. What and then they
pulled out their charge plate and I said, do you
want to. So by the way charge plate we had

(01:09:31):
the machine exactly how old, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
So this was the It was a punk and metal
right that was maybe a foot and a half long,
and it had the name of the store on it
and a number. And then you'd put the credit card
in a spot and there were these carbon duplicate forms
and you'd put it on there and you'd run it
over and so a guy had the card number and

(01:09:54):
then you'd fill in the amount. And that's how I
used to do credit cards back in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
They would hand me their diners Club I would do
the like that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
It was also accepted JCB, that's true, but that's what
they would do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
So hanging Christmas trees upside down, the silver tree like
Christmas or that be stillag tight. I don't know. You
tell me tomato tomato, So I guess this is uh.
You know, people are always looking for new and interesting things.
I've never had a real tree always. We've had the
same artificial Christmas tree now for twenty five years. And

(01:10:32):
now it's getting to the point where it's like, okay,
it's it's time. The kids don't want us to get
rid of it, but it's it's time. But I don't
think I'm going to run out and get a blue tree.
I did have. I did get a white tree when
I was in my early twenties, had Honolulu blue tinsel,
Honolulu Blue ornaments, the Honolulu Blue garland on the white

(01:10:58):
Christmas tree, and rather than taking it down every year,
I put it in the storage room with a garbage
bag over it, and then just brought it out every Christmas.

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Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Sticking with a Christmas theme tone. Yes, sir so. CBS
was so happy with the reaction of the Everybody Loves
Raymond reunion show that they're actually going to have a
second Everybody Loves Raymond review show or a reunion show.
It'll be on December twenty second. They had so much
footage that they weren't able to cram into the hour

(01:12:33):
of the first reunion show, that they're going to go
ahead and have a second reunion show just based on
all the stuff that they couldn't get in the first
reunion show. People were that happy to see the cast
back together, those who are still alive. Unfortunately, Peter Boyle
and Doris Roberts both passed away along with I'm sorry,
I don't know the kids.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Yeah, tragically took his own life.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
It's a horrible story, all right, full disclove.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
I never watched the show. Wow, really, it just didn't
come on my radar.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
I have nothing against Ray or Patricia Heaton or Brad Garrett.
I never I never never watched the show. I'm not
a huge sitcom guy. I love that show. Yeah, oh
it was. It was fantastic. And yeah, I did watch
the reunion show. I'll be I'll probably watch this show too.
It was. It was one of my favorite shows, and

(01:13:28):
it was late and I think it started in ninety
six and went into the early two thousands. It nine seasons,
and unfortunately, Peter Boyle passed away almost right after the
series concluded, which is why they said they'll never do
a remake. And they're right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
So, I mean, the money would be huge, but some
things you just leave me. You just like, no, it's
you can't make it right, you can't do the thing.
I'm sorry about the cold, everybody. It keeps me from
doing a bourbon review. Well that's why we pulled back
out the Kirkling bottled in bond that you get at
Costco twenty five thirty dollars a bottle.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
I'm telling you it's an incredible deal.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
If you could still find it, it'll come out again
next year. As for this, the Belgian Blue from Crowned
Heads thirteen dollars and fifty cents a stick with that
Mexican's henadreas rapper fingers is a yes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
At thirteen fifty. I'm a yes for you trying it.
I have to try it again without a.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Cold, just to see where I'm at.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
I haven't smoking yet. I can get a little bit
out of it. But man, stuff he knows makes it
all all really impossible. He'll be a yes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
Yeah, probably the Belgian Blue from Crownheads. Have a merry
little Christmas. Enjoy and don't forget to find us on
your favorite podcast platform, Eat Drink Smoke on YouTube Eat
Drink Smoke be sure to subscribe.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Merry Christmas, a happy Hanka. We'll catch you soon. It's
Eat Rinks Smoke

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