Influence of the Vampire

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James Jay Edwards (00:25):
Welcome to Eye On Horror, the official
podcast of eye horror.com thisis episode 139 otherwise known
as season seven, Episode 20. I'myour host, James Jay Edwards,
and with me, as always, is yourother host, Jacob Davison, how
you doing? Jacob,

Jacob Davidson (00:40):
doing okay. I'm back for my trip on the East
Coast and back in California.

You're back in present time. You're not in
the future anymore. Yeah, I lovethat joke. Also with us, as
always, is your other otherhost, Jon Correia, how you doing
Correia?

Jonathan Correia (00:57):
Oh, doing great. I've been doing my manic
swings. And the last few daysit's been, you know, the swings
and roundabouts, and it's beenon the low end of it. So I've
been doing a lot of doomscrolling, which has led to,
like, wormholes and black holesof threads. And this morning's
thread was how Mormons believein Bigfoot. I should state some

(01:19):
Mormons believed in Bigfoot, andthat the church is because I it
did end. I did end up on theMormon website, and their
statement on Bigfoot, orcryptozoology, was that the
church has no official statementon Bigfoot, though several
church leaders were reportedlyto be open to the possibility of

(01:41):
The Bear Lake monster. However,modern church leaders never
discuss the subject, and that'sa lot of the verbiage on their
site is there was possibility inthe past, but modern people
don't talk about this stuff. Butyeah, when you go down the
rabbit hole of like, why someMormons believed in Bigfoot, and
you learn that it's because oftheir belief of of like, Cain
and the Mark of Cain, youquickly start to realize it's

(02:04):
racist. It's just racist, andmodern Mormonism is trying to
distance itself from that. So

why wouldn't they believe in Bigfoot? Because
he's real. Well,

the train of thought with it was, Cain was a
bad guy. You know, Cain killedAbel. He's a bad guy. He was
marked with the Mark of Cain.
And in Mormonism, for thelongest time, it was skin
pigmentation. So they believedthat black people were
descendants of Cain. And so inthere's like a verse or
something where they said thatit was black and covered in

(02:35):
hair. And so some Mormonsinterpreted because a lot of
Mormonism takes place in NorthAmerica, that's Bigfoot. And so
Bigfoot is Cain walking theearth. Now the modern church
does not believe that Cain isstill wandering the earth. You
know, their official statementis probably not different
traditions have them dying invarious contexts, but you know,
you can't, you can't bury oldtimey racism, especially when

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it's tied to something weird.
But how great would it have beenin Heretic if Hugh Grant was
just like, so Do you guysbelieve in Bigfoot? You know?
Like, I think if, if you hadthat discussion coupled with his
jar, Jar Binks impression movieof the year.

Ah, yeah, oh, that would have been that would
rule. All that movie needed wasBigfoot.

Like, what if Bigfoot showed up in the
basement? Granted,

all any movie really needs is Bigfoot. I was

about to say, that's a, that's a pretty good,
like, blanket critique. What

if Hugh Grant had saxsquash in the basement?
Oh, if

the score was by saxSquatch, oh, oh,

that would have been great. Could have happened.
So

what's been going on? What do you guys been
seeing? Yeah,

I've been catching up on a bunch of stuff.
I saw that A24, movie, Y2k, doyou guys see that? No, not yet.
Oh, man, it was so good. It'sbasically this horror comedy
from Kyle Mooney, who did likeBrigsby Bear, and he was like a
writer in SNL for a long time.
And it's a period movie aboutthese two friends who are kind

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of losers on New Year's Eve 1999who go to, like this big party.
And it starts out kind of likeas a Can't Hardly Wait party
film, but then, you know, it'smidnight, and why 2k actually
happens in this version of Nightof the 90s. And it's like
Maximum Overdrive, where all themachines start, start combining

(04:27):
and killing people, likeTamagotchi with a flame thrower
roasts guy's head and like aautomatic bed crush as a dude.
So it's, you know, it knows themovie it wants to be, and it has
an incredible period soundtrack,with the most prevalent being

(04:47):
Limp Biscuit and a lot of numetal and rap metal. Fred Durst
was in it too, right? Yes, he a,I didn't want to spoil it, but
yeah, Fred Durst gets two A24appearances. This year, and
they're both bangers. Betweenthis and I Saw the TV Glow.

Fred Durst, you know, it's funny because
he's he actually has directed acouple of really good movies
too. I'm for anything that keepshim from making music. Like I'll
go see him act or direct. Youknow, the same thing with Mark
Wahlberg. I'll go see all his aslong as he doesn't bring back

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the Funky Bunch.

I'll go go eat at wahlbergers Every day, two
meals, if it prevents him frommaking any more music you didn't
like the Funky Bunch.

Good Vibrations was actually good
but, but the song where heripped off. Lou Reed, the what
is it? The wild side. You knowthat one was not as good. I

mean, that's thing. Fred Durst is really
getting a foot in the door incinema this year between, you
know, I saw TV glow and Y2K and,who knows, maybe he'll be in the
next Ari Aster movie.

Have Have you guys seen this? This might be
the week's bomb. Have either youseen Kraven the Hunter? No,

no, but I did see the images of chameleon and
Rhino and purple

Rhino. Wait, he's purple.

He's purple.
He's kind of grayish purple.
It's more the face that I wasjust like, Oh, I see why you
didn't show it in the in thetrailers, he

Okay, Kraven is like, It's Madam Webb bad. It
is bad. And it makes me thinkthat Sony just doesn't give a
fuck about these properties theyhave for Marvel. I

mean, it's over, like they're ending the Sony
Marvel Universe, yeah,

and they just don't care, which is kind of
sad, because Kraven is a greatcharacter. Even the Aaron Taylor
Johnson Kraven could be, youknow, a good character, but this
movie is really bad it. Um, theyeven kind of ruined Rhino. I
mean, rhino is a greatcharacter, but the way that they
have that, the way that they didhim, is kind of bad too, but

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yeah, also chameleons in it. Andthen there's a character that
I'm not even familiar with, theforeigner. Is he like a real
spider man villain? I think he'slike a lesser known Yeah, I was.
I mean, I'm not super into thecomics, but

like the Jackie Chan movie,

no, he, this is a guy. He seems to be able to
kind of teleport or play withtime, because he'll do this
thing where he's about to killsomeone, and he'll go three,
two, and then he'll, like, be inanother place, and he kills him.
It's, it's currently but he wasprobably the most interesting
character in this.

I just fundamentally, and I hate being
that guy that's like, Ah, you'renot doing the comics justice,
like, based off of, like, veryearly information, but, like,
the first thing they releasedwas an interview with Aaron
Taylor. He's like, Yeah, he's,he's a fighter for animal
rights. And I was like, that isfundamentally not Kraven the
hunter. Kraven the hunter wassuch, like a piece of shit when

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it came to hunting animals, thatwhen he heard that there was a
possibility of a spider humanhybrid. He was like, great.
Another thing for me to killthat's rare. I'm gonna go kill
that one thing. And they'relike, but that's a person. He's
like, nope. He's his spider-man.
That means he's an animal. I'mgonna go hunt him in New York
City.

Yeah, he he is, kind of, they do kind of
introduce him as, like, theprotector of animals. Like his
big thing is he goes afterpoachers who are stealing the
horns off of the bison andstuff. Which brings me to
another thing, the CG animals inKraven the hunter are horrible,
horrible, like I've seen, I'veseen better CG effects out of

(08:36):
film students. Yeah, it's just,it's just not good, and I think
that probably anyone who wantedto see it has seen it by now.
And I think that the cinemascores and the Rotten Tomatoes,
everything has reflected whatI'm saying right now. So this
isn't really a shock, but yeah,Kraven is bad. Well,

I've been trying to work my way through
blurays I've owned for forever,but never watched, which has led
to some like, really weird likemarathons. First I watched all
of the Barbershop movies, whichsuch a delight. Beauty Shop
especially is probably myfavorite right now. But this is
a horror podcast. I watched thestraight to video, or the two

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back to back, straight to video,sequels to The Prophecy,

Prophecy (09:21):
Forsaken an

Is this the Christer, the Christopher Walken
prophecy. This

is that franchise, but he's not in these
ones.

Okay, that's after the original trilogy. They
he's not in those. Okay, yeah,and you

don't need to just, just, no, just know that
was Miramax. Just like, youknow, milking that IP, yeah,
what was, what were those, likethe last few, uh, Hellraiser
movies that were straight tovideo, that didn't even have
Doug Bradley in them. It wasthat level, yeah,

Revelations or something, yeah.

Just don't, don't even just get the the 4k
trilogy set from VinegarSyndrome, and be happy, because
that trilogy rules those thefour and five are horrible. Um.
Um, I did watch Butterfly Effectfor the first time in years that
I watched the directors cut,which is the, which is the
superior cut, because it has somuch infanticide in it. It's

(10:11):
fantastic. I love it. It was, itwas, I was surprised on, like,
how, like, non linear, a lot of,like, the character stuff was
happening in that movie. I was,like, this movie smarter than
it, kind of like was advertisedas, I

love The Butterfly Effect. It's one of my
favorite it's probably in my top10, like, all time. And it is
great, right? It's very wellwritten. And the thing is, you
it takes some figuring out onthe viewers part, which, which I
love, you know, you it's like,at one point you're like, oh,
that's why he was blacking out.
You know,

yeah, Ashton Kutcher is not even in it until,
like, 40 minutes into the movie,which is great.

And the cut you're talking about, it has a
different ending, which is,like, dark. It's great. I mean,
it's, I mean, this movie is 20years old, but I still don't
want to spoil this if you havenot seen the original ending and
you want to be depressed.

I loved it. I liked it more than the because I
watched a lot of the otherendings. I will say there is
still some really bad dialog orreally bad moments in it, like,
there's that one scene whereAshley kuch is having a moment
where he's like, he's like,You're not acting like you
meant. I don't even know who Iam. It's like, Oh, stop. Or that
sex scene, that sex scene wasthere was like one sex scene
where it's, it's when he goesback and he becomes a frat boy,

(11:28):
and like, the girl he loves isnow his girlfriend, but she's a
sorority, and they have sex. Andit's just like the it's just a
horribly shot sex scene, but notas bad of a sex scene as The
Butterfly Effect 2. That'sright. Another straight to video
that Correia

watched. Weren't there? Like, two sequels into
the butterfly effect

there is, but I'm stopping myself now, because
two was so fucking bad and hadan even worse sex scene. And I'm
just like, You know what? Wedon't need to watch Revelations.

I haven't seen any of The Butterfly Effect
sequels because I don't want itto ruin The Butterfly Effect for
me. Because I love the butterflyeffect.

It's not going to ruin it, because it all the
nuances, all the because TheButterfly Effect was really good
about like, what the changeswere, what caused him, the
blackout and stuff the at leastwith two, it was just very much
so a straightforward, like, oh,like, the guy starts going back
in time to try to improve himhis life, and it becomes a Wall
Street douche bag because of it,it's, it's dumb, it's, yeah, no

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reason at all. So anyways, Ijust wanted to trash on those
straight to video movies, to behonest. But Have either of you

seen The Lord of the Rings (12:30):
The War of the Rohirrim?

yes. And it was good. It was really good. Yeah,
what did you take, Jacob? Ireally loved it. Um, you know, I
I'm not that, you know, I saw,you know, the original Lord of
the Rings movies. I saw theHobbit movies, and I actually
read The Hobbit when I was akid. But I wouldn't consider
myself a huge Tolkien fan, butwas, beauty is fantastic movie,

(12:54):
and it was a such a cool idea todo an anime Lord of the Rings or
Tolkien adaptation spin off. Soevery because it Tolkien has had
a massive influence in Japanesefantasy, like, like back in the
old days, like, there was thisanime that was on the Sci Fi
Channel called The Record of theLodoss War that had a very heavy

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Tolkien influence among others.
But, yeah, no, it looked reallygood, and it was very
compelling. I saw it in IMAX.
And, yeah, it was stunning. Ireally enjoyed it. Oh

yeah, I made the joke before seeing it,
going, Yeah, I'm really lookingforward to a Lord of the Rings
movie that's about humans,because humans were the most
interesting part of the Lord ofthe Rings and Hobbit books,
which was a joke. I was excitedto see it, could be, because the
world building and everything init is so good, and it takes
place in a time that's notreally explored. And they even
said in the very beginning that,do you know the story? You don't

(13:50):
know the story of Herra, becausethere's no songs about her. And
I thought that was really cool,and it was, it was really
interesting to be in this verybig fantasy world, and to be in
that very grounded, this is justa war story, and the animation
was fantastic. There was, Ithink they really took in a lot

(14:11):
of influence of like the BakshiLord of the Rings animated film,
because there were someanimation movements that were
very rotoscopy. Yeah,I've noticed that too. Also, I
love the casting. Like Brian Coxis King hammer hand like that
ass. He was great, just beatingthe shit out, people. But
also, Herra was a badasscharacter. She was serving face.

(14:34):
She was serving like, she like Iwas in the theater, just
snapping my fingers all thetime, especially when she goes,
I am betrothed to death. I wasjust like, Hell, yes, yes. And
it that pissed me off, becauseshe had so many icon scenes, and
no one in the theater cheered,but a large group of people
cheered at the fucking NicoleKidman ad beforehand, because I

(14:57):
saw it in AMC prime, and I waslike, I hate you all.

So I will say this, when I saw the movie and
Herra said that she would marryNo man, a bunch of women in my
aisle started hooting andhollering, fuck yeah,

dude. And she was so cool. She She, Jay, you
got to see this movie. Shepunches a man in the throat with
a shield like that was so brat.
That was brat as fuck. They

didn't give that an awards push so I didn't
get to see it for awards voting.
Yeah, but there is anotheranimated movie I saw for awards
voting that is going to end upon my top 10. It's not really
horror, but it's called Flow.
Have you guys heard about flow?
I'm

seeing it tonight. No, but, I mean, I've
heard of it. I haven't seen it.
Flow is

so good. It's it's basically about a cat and a
and he's got a bunch of otherlittle furry and feathered
compadres that there's acatastrophic flood, and these
animals find themselves havingto survive this flood like on a
boat. And it is so this is thisyear's robot dreams, because I

(16:02):
think it's Latvian. It's eitherLatvian or French, but it but,
but it doesn't matter, becausethere's no dialog. It's all just
watching these animals and and,and I was watching it at home,
so I found myself, you know,talking to you swim, kitty,
swim, swim, you know. But it is.
It's really, really good, butit's not horror, but it is. It's

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a beautifully animated movie.
Another thing for awards that Isaw that isn't horror, but gets
horror. Have you guys seen ThePiano Lesson? No, no. I haven't
even heard that one. It's onNetflix, and it starts out, it's
about this black family in it'slike post slavery, and they,

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they have this piano that,basically, the brother wants to
sell this piano so he can getmoney to buy this land that this
landowner just died. And thesister does not want to sell
this piano because, you know,it's in the family, and she, you
know, wants it. And it's, Imean, it's a pretty standard,

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you know, one of those movies,it feels like a play that they
made into a movie, but the last10 minutes goes full on ghost
story. And I've heard peoplecomplaining about the last 10
minutes, but honestly, the last10 minutes is what made the
movie watchable for me, and thatprobably says more about me than
the movie, but yeah, it goesfull on ghost story in the last

(17:26):
like 10 minutes. It's prettyfun. The last 10 minutes is

all right. And on my end, I got speaking of
awards pushes. I got to see thenew, the new, fully animated
Looney Tunes movie. LooneyTunes: The Day the Earth Blew Up
with Porky Pig and Daffy Duck.

Oh, yeah. How was it?

It was so funny, like, it's amazing that we
haven't gotten a fully animatedLooney Tunes movie until 2024
because, yeah, no, I mean it.
It's basically just a featurelength, uh, Looney Tunes
cartoon. It's, uh, Porky Pig andDaffy Duck lived together, and

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their roof gets wrecked, so theyhave to fix it, and it
eventually just kind ofsnowballs into a disaster alien
invasion movie with all kinds ofslapstick and crazy stuff. And
it is, yeah, it was so funny,like it really up, up the ante
on the gags. And they alsobrought back a fairly obscure

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character, Petunia pig, who waskind of Porky's love interest
from some of the earlier andkind of one off Looney Tunes
cartoons in and that she plays ascientist. But the real
highlight is they got Renfieldhimself, Peter McNichol, to play
the alien invader. And look,just anytime Peter McNichol

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screeches, it's, it's comedygold, you know, just anytime he
yells his head off, I lose it.
Just, you know, like, like, Iloved his recurring role on Veep
as Uncle Henry, just chewing outJonah and this, yeah, he's a
really angry alien.

You, you, you say that it's, it's, it's doing
an awards run right now. I mighthave to sneak in a screening at
four, 720, tonight, at thatlevel, because I think that is a
lot. Today is last day it'splaying, because with how Warner
Brothers has been treatingLooney Tunes lately, need to see
it before it's never showedagain. That's

crazy thing too.
Is that, like, apparently, withthe production release history,
it was originally, I think,going to go to streaming, and
then Warner Brothers just kindof kicked the can down and kick
the can down until a smallercompany managed to buy it and
release it for distribution.

That's insane, because there has been, like,
feature length movies for thatfeatured Looney Tunes, you know,
quack busters and others, butthey were always made for like,
TV or straight to video. So.
Like,

yeah, and a lot of them were compilations of
earlier cartoons.

Yeah. I mean, Quackbusters is fucking
fantastic. I've watched that alot on Cartoon Network, so good.
But yeah, no, I definitely wantto support the shit out of that.
So yeah, I might, I might. Iwasn't going to spend any more
money this week, but I'll buy aticket for that. Hell

yeah. I mean, I mean, it's either that or wait
until February.

I won't suppose, well, you should. It's
the Companion issue all overagain. The My first thought
after we saw that screening ofCompanion was, oh, fuck, now I
have to wait till the end ofJanuary to see it again, because
I wanted to immediately see itagain. Yeah, no, it was my
problem too. Have

you guys seen, it's on shudder, Carnage
for Christmas. Yes,

yes. I actually saw it back in April. I was at
festival screening of it atSalem, horror fest.

Oh, okay, it was at Salem, okay, yeah, it's,
it's by the Allison, who that?
Yeah, Alice Mayo McKay, who didT Blockers and Oh Bad Girl
Boogie.

Yeah, I

love her.
She's great it. Well, here's thething this movie, I'm kind of on
the fence with it, because it'sit's pretty what it's about, and
I don't know if Jacob said thisback then, but it's about a
trans podcaster who goes homefor Christmas, and her hometown,
there's a an urban legend abouta Santa killer and a toy maker.

(21:25):
Yeah, yeah, a toy maker. And ofcourse, when she gets there, the
Santa killer comes back, startskilling people. So it's kind of
like a mystery, which I guess alot of the old, old school
slashers were mysteries, youknow, trying to figure out who
the killer is. But my issue withit is there's so much of it is
told through, like, dialog anddiscussions. You know, it's

(21:47):
like, I don't know, everythingis so spoon fed. The one thing
that is really interesting aboutit is the look of it. It's
really well shot. And also, whenI was watching it, the editing
is all like compositing, andthere's all there's just, it's
really well edited with justlike visual effects and stuff.

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And when I was watching thecredits, there's a reason why
the editing and VFX looks sogood. Because when I was
watching the credits, what likethe third credit is editing a
VFX by Vera drew it was, yeah,so it kind of, it's not quite as
flamboyant as the people'sJoker. I mean, come on, the
People's Joker is about someone,you know, dropping themselves

(22:31):
into the Batman universe. Sothis is a little more subtle
than that, but you can tell thatit's like that same slick
editing. And, you know, it'sreal jump Cutty and composity.
But yeah, as far as the writing,I was just kind of like, you
know, can't you let us figuresome of this out ourselves? You
know, I

don't know. It was a bit expository, I recall,
but yeah, I mean, although Ireally do, got to give out my
own McKay credit, because she'sbeen putting out, like so many
horror movies at such a youngage. Like, didn't she make her
first movie at like 16 orsomething?

Yeah, Alice's first short film was 2019 and so
since 2019 Alice has made 10films.

That's like two a year. Yeah,

that was a short in 2019 that was, that was
A Tale of the Laundry Game,followed by Tooth 4 Tooth. And
then it was around 2021 that shemade Boys Night, when then,
yeah, but basically, I thinksince So Vam, which was 2021 on

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top of, like, doing all theseshorts, she has put out 123456,
movies. That's feature, like,that's, and that's awesome.
Like,

yeah, I mean, that's, that's more than one a
year, or, I

should say five, I think one was a short,
but, yeah, it's still, I mean,it's incredible. And in such,
she has such, like, a veryspecific and confident voice
behind the camera that I justabsolutely love and appreciate.
So yeah, I'm looking forward towatching it. Always have a
little bit of problem whenthings are a bit expository, but

(24:15):
I think I used the wrong wordthere. But oh,

I don't think you did. I think that it is,
well, it's verbally expository.
Is what it is, but yeah, it is,um, but yeah, it's on shudder,
and it's it, another thing Iloved about it, it's like, 70
minutes long. There's like, yes,there's always time for carnage,
for Christmas. Yeah, you couldwatch it three times in the time

(24:38):
it takes you to watch TheBrutalist Once

nice, I need to abuse, start abusing our
shudder account, because we'regetting to the end of the year.
So I gotta start puttingtogether

my list.
Also, have you guys gotten tocarry on on Netflix yet? Not

yet, but I want to

this movie.
Is it? It's really fun. It, whatit, what it kind of is, is it's
kind of like Phone Booth meetsDie Hard. And I think I just
clicked two boxes for Correiathere,

until you were by me. It's copaganda for TSA.
But yeah, well, it

not really, because it kind of Jason Bateman
is the villain and TarynEdgerton is the TSA agent, and
it kind of, it kind of makes theTSA easy to compromise.
Honestly, it like, makes itmakes it look like it makes me
feel less safe. It's funny, mywife was, she was back visiting

(25:35):
her her mom in Arkansas, andwhen she was flying back, she
was going to download it towatch on the plane. And then
she's like, maybe not on aplane, but yeah, it's it
basically, Taryn Edgerton, he,he gets an earpiece. It gets
passed through, you know, histhing, his his station, and then

(25:57):
I'll put this in. So he puts itin, and then Jason Bateman is
talking to him, and he's like,Okay, here's what you're gonna
do, you know? So there's thephone booth or Grand Piano of
it. But then, you know, by theend, or not, not really the end,
by about the halfway point, itjust becomes Die Hard where he
you know, except it's in anairport, so Die

Hard To Die Harder, yeah,

oh, it is, but, yeah, I mean, it's fun.
It's, it's a, it's a realthrowback. I didn't know Taryn
edgerkin could do action likethis. He does a lot of running
in it like he, he runs more thanTom Cruise. I mean, he's, he

did the Kingsman movies. Oh, yeah,
that's true. That's what those,those are. So over to the top of
the action.

Well, this, this kind of is too. I mean,
this isn't exactly thebeekeeper, but it's

Few things are, yeah, exactly, but

yeah, he and Jason Bateman get into a into a
fight in the cargo hold of aplane. That's where things get
awesome. But yeah, it, it's,it's pretty cool. Carry on.
Carry On is definitely fun. It'son Netflix, so there's no
excuse, although here's awarning, if you play wham again,
wait until after Christmas towatch it, because it will, it

(27:09):
will take you out of wham again.
Wham again. It plays the whamsong that people avoid. You
don't know wham again. Okay,yeah, if wham again is, people
try to avoid last Christmas bywham until Christmas Eve. But
it's

like the one good Christmas song that isn't
Kylie Minogue Christmas album,of course, you know, but,

but this will, this will take you out of
it. They do play it. They play,they play a lot of Christmas on
they they make it obvious thatyou're that it's Christmas time,
if, if only through the musicand the fact that the airport is
super busy, they make a bigbecause, because it takes place
on Christmas Eve, all thebusiest traffic, air traffic,

(27:52):
day of the year, and we want usto close the terminal, you know,
like, yeah, no, there's a wholebunch of the mayor in Jaws
happening. I was just about to

say, it sounds like him, man, close the beach
for Fourth of July.

Close the terminal on the busiest travel
day of the year.

Yeah, but it's Christmas.

The TSA guy's boss is um, Hank from Breaking
Bad. So you could actuallypicture him saying that line I

can, yeah, very much. So I went to a
repertory screening of SleepawayCamp over at because I've been,
I've been hitting Vidiots hardlately. They've been doing such
great we all know. I met DanStevens there, and then did went
to the they came togetherscreening, which was incredible.
And so I went to it was, it wasmy birthday present from Lindsey

(28:44):
to go see Sleepaway Camp, whichis really funny, because for the
longest time I hated that movie,but the screening was put on by
BJ and Harmony Colangelo, whowrote harmony, wrote an amazing
article about as a as a transperson, what it what Sleepaway

(29:05):
Camp means to them, and theirinterpretation of it. And it
really turned around my viewingof that movie, but I still
hadn't seen it yet. So they puton this screening. They were
there. They were signing theirbook by that was distributed by
die books, and which I highlyrecommend, because the book is
like, not only an expansion onthat article, but they also get

(29:26):
into the history of the movie.
And it's queer influences, andits influence on queer culture,
both good and bad, because it's,it is very, you know, give or
take, but I gotta say, seeingwatching sleep away camp at home
when I was younger, it wasn't agreat experience, but seeing it
with a crowd that was justlaughing at all the right

(29:48):
moments and just having fun withit was was really, really turned
everything around for me withthat movie. So I like sleep away
camp one now, not just two andthree. I always like two and
three, but like. The first onenow. So that's
the opposite for me. I've alwayshated two and three, but I've
but I've always liked one, twoand three just, was just sister.
Yeah, it's Bruce springs sister.

(30:10):
It's so silly. Yeah, but yeah,no, I highly recommend that
book. Die books is actually theymake books that are specifically
about, like, one movie. So theyhave one about Poltergeist, The
Love Witch and Threads. I thinkThreads is going to be the next
one I get from them. But they'realso like, you know, not too

(30:30):
they're not thick books either,but they're very well written
by, like, single authors eachtime. So, yeah, highly recommend
them for Correia's Nook Book. Iguess recommendation sleep away
camp. Is it nook book or book?
Nook book? Nook nook book. Youknow, it's not an official
recommendation, because Ihaven't read it yet. So it's a,
it's a nook book, right? Becauseit's a, it's going to be, it's

(30:52):
on the nook for later. And onceit's read it, then it's, then
it's a part

of the book nook clubs. So you actually are
going old school with the Nook.
Okay, I did it all for the booknook. I was I was thinking nook,
meaning, like it's a little cozyplace in your house that you
read books as your No, I wasn'teven thinking the the Kindle
like nook.

I just can't believe you missed that limp
biscuit reference I made. Iwouldn't say I missed. There's a
lot of Fred Durst referenceshappening in this episode. Yeah,
we're going hard with it. We're

going hard.
Can't, couldn't we be doing RageAgainst the Machine references?
We're

just trying to get sponsored by Jenko jeans,
like we're going hard for thatsponsorship.

Also wanted to add, got my vinegar syndrome
package, and I got a bunch ofstuff, but the creme de la creme
was the, at long last, awaited,uh, 4k release of Michael Mann's
The Keep one of my personalfavorite movies. Oh, I

was gonna say I thought you didn't

like that movie, Jacob. I thought you were
going Hundreds of Beavers.

Well, I did. Oh, beavers. So I got two of my
favorite movies in that packageand Cannibal the Musical, right?
Yeah. I mean, I really likecannibal the musical, but, you
know, like the, you know,different tiers, that's true,

different categories, different tiers. But
yes, and how's the 4k hold up toprevious editions you've seen?
And,

oh, man, it is good. Like this is as good as
this movie will ever look andsound, and you know, I'll accept
that. Because the funny thingwas, is that I saw it on 35
millimeter at the new Bev lastyear, and I was even thinking
like, man, they got the prince.
Why hasn't anyone made like aBlu ray or something of it? And
sure enough, 2024 we finally gota 4k of the keep, which has been

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like the Holy Grail for a lot ofpeople, because it was not even
on DVD for for ages, and, youknow, just kind of basically a
gray market thing. But no, thevendor system really knocked it
out of the park. It's as good asit's ever going to look it's,
you know, we're never going toget the full version that

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Michael Mann envisioned, but,you know, I'll take what I can
get. And it's still veryhaunting. And it was, and the
time, it was perfect, because Iactually watched it on the 41st
anniversary of the release,because it came out in 1983
December. And, yeah, no, juststill holds up. And also going

(33:16):
back to it, yeah, I'm reallyglad that Hundreds of Beavers
got a Blu ray release. And notjust a Blu ray release, but it
was, like a massive blu rayrelease, because it sold like
over 8000 copies within like itsfirst week.

Yeah. So they have to green like two hundreds
of beavers that,

yes, we need two hundreds of beavers to follow
the 1000s of hundreds of beaversales.

Yeah. I mean, I got my package the other day
too, and there's so many goodtitles in there. We listed a few
of them. There's also Congo 4kas I watched that I if I wasn't
so busy trying to get rid ofsome blu rays by watching them
first and for this week's topic,I would have already dived into
them. So that might be myChristmas marathon, along with

(34:05):
up at Christmas carol at 58

Nice. Yeah,

I hit, I finally caught up with The Front
Room.

Oh, yeah, was that? What'd you take?

Yeah, I really liked it. It is, it's so
good, it's a lot of fun. Buthere, I mean, I know that Korea
talked a lot about it, so Idon't really want to go into the
movie. But one thing that Koreadidn't really go into that just
really struck me is the score.
This score is out of control,and it's the the composer is a
guy named Marcello zarvis, whohe's like, a real Hollywood

(34:38):
composer. He's done, like, like,the equalizer movies and, you
know, and stuff like, stufflike, like, Ray Donovan and dark
waters. And, you know, what gotMay December, you know, for
Netflix, he's, I mean, he'slike, not, he's not, like, one
of these niche horror composers.
And this score, I couldn't just.
I couldn't figure out if he wasusing a theremin or if he was

(35:01):
using one of those moves thatare just monophonic, you know,
like, one note at a time, and itjust slides all over the place,
because it some of the themeshad that Star Trek. And I was
like, Oh, I'm I found myselfwishing that, or hoping, maybe

(35:23):
is the right word, that a 24does a vinyl release of the
score because they didn't do onefor the zone of interest, which
really bummed me out, becauseyou know that, because they
should have, but I hope they dodo one for the firm, because the
score is just incredible. Theyhaven't yet. Yeah, it's still,
it's still recent enough. Thezone of interest is like, over a

(35:47):
year old, so if they haven'tdone it by now, they're not
going to but the front room isstill new enough that we still
might get one. And I tell you,you know, my What are they? What
do you call it? Triple A 24 orAAA, 24

I call it triple A 24 Yeah. Well, that
membership

will come in handy when, yeah, it's weird,
because A24 is merch, the thestuff in their shop is generally
pretty expensive, except thevinyl records. The vinyl records
are pretty much par with likeyour, you know, your Mondo or
your wax work, you know, so Ifind myself, you know that, and
the novelizations of the Ti Westtrilogy are I

get the blu rays, actually, Jay I just got
my birthday present, or Iordered my birthday present from
AAA24 and it came down to eitherthe iron claw soundtrack on
vinyl or the talking heads stopmaking sense, coasters and oh,
okay, sorry, I had to go withthe coasters. I know I already

(36:51):
own so many coasters, but thatit's I

wish the iron claw was a choice when I got did
mine, my The only thing, I mean,it was probably the cheapest
thing. But the only thing thatthat, that I wanted from my
choices was the, the in synccover from Red Rocket, that
seven inch, yeah, so good. Oh, Ilove, I love her version of

(37:15):
that. And that's but, but it waslike, you know, I'm like, God, I
feel like there's kind of awaste, because, you know, I
could be getting one of these,you know, $60 things. And here's
this $22 things, the only thingI want. Yeah, they got off easy
for

my birthday.
Oh, and the first birthday Ihad, I was like, What's the most
expensive thing I can get that Ikind of like, and I went for
like, $120 sweater that I neverwear. So, and this year, I was
like, let's, let's actually getsomething that we genuinely do
want despite the price. So I washappy with my choice. I still
love Justin Laliberty from OCNdistribution and vinegar

(37:49):
syndrome. We've had on thepodcast. His Letterboxd review
for the front room was sittingup in my room listening to my
stepmother, menacley shit thebed and scream about being
racist. There you go. Threestars. Three stars. What a
movie. It's so good. And, man, Imean, it's, it's one of those

(38:11):
ones where it's just theperformances, you know,

you kind of have to be in a mood for it,
like you have to be in the righthead space, sort of like the
beekeeper. It's like, if youunderstand what they're going
for, it's totally enjoyable. Iknow so many people who hated
the beekeeper, and I'm like, Oh,dude, you don't get it. You
know, this is supposed to beover the top, ridiculous. I
mean, the fact that he basicallyfights the Teenage Mutant Ninja
Turtles foot gang at the end,that should have been your first

(38:41):
clue that you're, you know, notsupposed to take this seriously.
But yeah, the front room and

this one, if you're, if you're not prepared
for an amazing hagsploitationlevel performance, yeah,
Catherine Hunter, you're, you'rein for a rough time. But
because, like, that was she, shejust, like, is everything in
that? And then when her andbrandy are standing off, come
on, yeah, it's, it's a lot offun. I

wanted to just slap her, but, oh, and she
does. I know she does.

There was a cheer in the audience. Oh, man,
that was such a great audiencewatches. She hits her, and it
was like, Finally, yeah, wedon't condone violence. But you
know, racists

against racist old people,

that's fine. I mean, I mean, I don't know if
you guys have been watchingCreature Commandos at all, but I
think James Gunn is haspurposely did the oldest trick
in the book on how to get you tofall in love with the character,
and that's having them joyfullykill lots of Nazis. And that's
gi

robot killing Nazis will never not be fun to
watch, you know, like sisu orIndian

Wars bastards, Indiana Jones.

Let's move on to our topic, because we ran
long with considering nothing'sreally come out except Kraven
the Hunter, we went really longwith that. Correia introduce our
topics. I'm not 100% sure that Iunderstand what you want to add
of this.

Yeah. So in celebration of Robert Eggers
Nosferatu finally coming outafter what he announced, it like
when the witch came out, likethis has been a thing he's been
cooking up for for years,

and why they didn't do it as a Halloween
release. I don't know. I haven't

seen it, so I don't know if it's Christmassy,
but in celebration of that, andcelebration of just like
Nosferatu in general, today'stopic is us talking about
Nosferatu, its influences, itsits history, and why this 100 at
this point? Yeah, over 100 yearold movie that was a rip off and

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was saved through illegalbootlegging. Is so influential.

Yeah, they got sued by by Stoker's estate,
and then, wasn't it like someprojectionists like, you know,
stuck a copy in his coat as hewalked out with it, or
something, pretty

much, yeah, because they were ordered to
burn all copies. But there wereprints that were out there. So
there was a bunch of random,like, prints for international
distribution. And so, yeah, itwas safe through various things.
And so for many years, it was alost and then was found in bits
and pieces. And, you know,beautiful people, like the folk,

(41:27):
like the kind folks at KinoLorber and other institutions
have restored it a few times.
The 2011 remaster that Kino didlooks fantastic. I re watched it
the other night, and it'sstriking, because, let's be
honest, we all know that I'mbasically an iPad kid that was
born a few years too early to bean actual iPad kid, and it still

(41:49):
holds my attention. It's justsuch a haunting film. The the
all around aura of it is justuneasy. And I think it's really
great, because we've there's somany adaptations and
interpretations of Dracula, andso many of them lean into the
romanticism of Dracula, whereasNosferatu, he's a fucking

(42:13):
disease. He is walking death.
Yeah, he's a plague. They callhim the death bird in Nosferatu
to and I think it's, it's justso interesting, especially when
you're like, the context of,like, 1920s Germany, just after
World War One, before World WarTwo. And like the the production

(42:34):
company pranu, this was theironly feature that they made. But
they were built, they werefounded by occultists, or folks
that were into the occult andstuff. That's why Nosferatu like
in the letters and you'll seesymbols throughout the film. So
it has this, like really weird,ethereal feel to it, not to
mention the promotional art,which is gorgeous, is done in

(42:57):
that style as well. So, I mean,it's easy to see why it was such
an influence, but it's alsoinsane on how it's been able to
survive for so long. And, yeah,I mean, it's, it's, it's
phenomenal.

Yeah, no, it is also interesting, because it was
after the Spanish flu epidemic,so I feel like that would have
tied into it as well.

Oh, absolutely. And then you get all
these. There's a lot of andlooking up stuff for this, I
found a lot of films that werecalled Nosferatu, and they would
just take like footage from itand inter splice it with like
stuff. There was a lot of like,weird soft core stuff that we're
doing that with it, which was,sure, go make your dollars

the novel that it's taken from Dracula is
a seductive character. And Iguess Nosferatu if you don't
look at him, he's a seductivecharacter. He's ugly and scary.
But

that's the thing, is that like, and that's
what, oh, man. And like, I can'ttell you, like, how, like,
enthralled I was in watching ita couple of nights ago, because
it's, it, there's a seduction,but it's, it's a menacing, I
mean, even just that, the theimagery of him like, kind of
sleeping on her after he drankEllen's blood, and he's just

(44:14):
there with his eyes open,snoring away, and his hands are
just like over her chest andstuff. It's, he's a parasite.
He's a he's a plague. It's, it'sso interesting, which is so
cool, because every otherinterpretation of Dracula, he's
hot as shit. I mean, BellaLegosi fucking got laid as fuck
as Dracula. Christopher Lee,come on.

That's kind of the thing when, whenever they
want to make a menacing vampiretype, you know, like in Salems
Lot, or, what was it MidnightMass is that the Flanagan one?
Yeah, they model him afterfreaking the Nosferatu one. When
they want to make a a Dracula orvampire that is truly
horrifying, if they want to makeone that's seductive, they model

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them after Bella Lugosi.

Yeah, which is, which is why Christopher
Lee's performance as Dracula isso good, because it really is
that combination of both. He wasboth sexy and, like menacing,
like, just he the eyes, the eyesfor Christopher Lee is what
always like, gets, gets under myskin with the bloodshot eyes,

yeah? For me with, Nosferatu it's the hands,
you know, like he's got the,those long, bony fingers with
the kind of claws and, like inthe and just the shadow play of,
like, the hands go up first, so,like you see the shadow of the
hands before, you know, you seehim.

He has very shadow worthy hands, like shadow
puppet hands

well. And not only that, but like so much of
Nosferatu, is experimentation, Imean the colorization of scenes
and having it match, like, notjust like saying, like, oh, it's
blue. Now it's nighttime, butthere was a lot of play with it.
But also Murnau, he was aphotographer first, and so a lot
of those because when silentfilms at that time, it was very

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static, one shot scene plays outlike a play. But some of the
angles in imagery that he evokeswith that of the landscapes is
is so cool, because thebeautiful landscapes, but the
angle and everything that hegoes at it with is haunting, or
just the the scene of, I'mtrying to remember the actual

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names of the characters,because, you know, it's, it's
not Renfield. It's knockin.Nosferatu when knock is on
the roof of the building andhe's throwing rocks at people
who are hunt the villagers thatare pillaging for him. It's,
it's such a goofy bit, but,like, also very interesting,
just like the angles, yeah, Icould talk about Nosferatu all

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day, but its influences arefelt. I mean, you have the
Herzog remake in the 70s, ClausKinski, Nosferatu, yeah, yeah.
Nosferatu in Venice, which I didnot get to watch in time. I'm
very upset.

It's so much fun. It doesn't even look like
Nosferatu in that one, but it'sjust such a bonkers Italian
production. And

then Shadow of the Vampire where, where
Willem Dafoe gets to play yetanother, not the Van Helsing
character of Nosferatu, but inwell, he plays Nosferatu, he
plays Max Shrek,

yeah, he plays Nosferatu and Max Shrek. I think
he's the only person to haveplayed Nosferatu and Van
Helsing. I did watch that onebecause I was like, man, it
would be really cool to watchthe original Nosferatu and then
revisit Shadow of the Vampire.
And, yeah, the recreations werereally cool. But some of the
like, I think the scene thatreally stuck out. Two things

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that really stuck out for mewith this is William Defoe would
use the nails to, like, clicktogether and stuff like, like
that, like a sassy bitch. Thatwas that was drag, that was
brat. I loved it. If

anyone hasn't seen Shadow of the Vampire. What
it is is, it is a it's a moviebasically Max Shrek, when they
were making Nosferatu was areally weird guy, and he kind of
creeped out the crew. And thismovie kind of theorizes that Max
Shrek really was a vampire. Soit's about the making of the
movie, and Max Shrek keepseating crew members.

Yeah, it's, it's, it's fiction, whatever set
back. And Jon

Malkovich plays mernall,

yeah, there's this amazing C where malkovic,
he's like, he's bargaining withhim about who he's gonna eat.
He's like, Oh, he's, he's, youcan't eat the writer. He's like,
but the thing's written.

Oh, yeah, stop eating my camera. Man, oh, what
is he not eating? Eat the scriptgirl. Man,

eventually I'll eat her later. Yeah. Then
he's like, he's okay, you caneat the writer, but then you
have to write how you getbecause he doesn't want to go on
the boat. Right, exactly, right,how we get over there.

And that's thing overall, like, the film
does have, like, a weird backand forth with tone. There are
some scenes that are verycomedic, there are some scenes
that are dramatic. It doesn'tquite touch on horror. So it's
very much so, like a making of amovie type deal where, what if
the guy playing a vampire was avampire? That's the ultimate
role. It's a vampire playing aguy, playing a vampire, playing

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an actor who's playing a vampireand but there's this one scene
that was just really amazing,and it's, it's after he drained,
after Max Shrek drains, thecameraman, SORNA goes back to
Berlin to get a new cameraman,and that's later introduces
Carrie ewells. But so they're onset, and they're building the

(49:47):
ship at the castle because or nothreat to won't go on the ship.
He refuses to travel by ship, sothey're building it. And then
Udo Kier plays the producer onthe film. He's getting drunk.
The writer and William Defoe ismax Shrek comes up to them, and
they're all still thinking he'san actor and just a weird guy.
And they, I guess method actinghasn't really been introduced,

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or it's like starting to becomea thing. So everyone's like,
this guy's really weird. Why ishe a character all the time? And
they go, Oh, well, you're anactual vampire, right? Max.
Like, well, let's ask you somevampire questions. What do you
have you heard of Dracula? Andhe's like, Yeah, I read it. And
they're like, Oh, yeah. What'dyou think of it? And he just
gives it talks about theloneliness of Dracula, on what

(50:35):
it's on, what it must feel liketo not eat for centuries and
then to hell,

I love the line where he says, like, it made him
sad because Dracula is so alone.
He has to serve Harker himselfbecause he doesn't have any
servants.

That, yeah, that was the line that started
off with. So he was like, I wasreally sad that he had no
servants. And they're like, Whatdo you mean? And then he's,
like, hundreds of years hehasn't eaten. Imagine not
eating, not being a part. Andhe's basically saying, like, not
being a part of like humans, andthen suddenly you have to
pretend to be human, like, andhe says this great line of,
like, does he even remember howto buy bread, you know? And

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it's, there's that likemeditation in this film on
immortality, and that I don'tthink gets talked enough about,
and in films of immortals, wherethere's, there's a sadness to
this character that comes, butalso he gets so feral the final
scene where they because the themyth in the movie is that the

(51:32):
death scene of Count Orlok andNosferatu is actually this
vampire playing Max Shrek dyingfor No set up. And it's, it's
done so well, so yeah, I mean,it's, it's fun.

Yeah, no, I love shadow the vampire. I was
actually lucky enough to see ascreening of it with wilm Defoe
and the director in person whenwe were doing that premiere of
the lighthouse. And we screenedthat together. And, yeah, no,
it's so interesting, both as amovie about, you know, the
sadness of being vampire, andalso, kind of the vampiric

(52:09):
nature of film production,because it's Yeah, diva film
stars literally sucking the castand crew drive. Oh, not even
that, just the

whole idea of Bernard just putting everyone at
risk, or even just like to,like, always statistical
director, and not just puttingpeople at risk. He full on
promises the lead actress toShrek as like, as compensation
before they even get a shot off.
Like that was, that was the dealto get this guy in this as he
wanted authenticity. Yeah, Ithink it's a great case against

(52:38):
the auteur theory.

Can you imagine the lawsuits today, the
criminal charges vampire I wasthinking last night about in, I
don't want to spoil anything,but in, in Nosferatu, the one
that Robert Edwards, they kindof skip over the boat part. I

(53:03):
mean, it's, it's, it's implied,but it's not, doesn't really go
into too much depth on it. Sothe last voyage of the Demeter,
almost, you could edit that intothe middle, and you would have
the complete, you'd have thecomplete Dracula book, I

mean, and that's, and that's what's so
cool about, I guess, art ingeneral, because, again, we have
Nosferatu and I don't know ifall the interpretations or
changes, like, obviously,there's, we know they changed
the names to avoid copyright,which didn't work and but like,
It's, it's like, when you lookat the thing movies, and I'm

(53:43):
talking about the original toThe Thing, and the thing from
another planet, thing fromanother world, Thing From
Another World, adaptations ofthe same book, two totally
different interpretations of it,because they're focusing on a
different aspect of it. So Well,the thing from another world is
focusing more on like this,vegetation monster, Creature

(54:04):
Feature, John Carpenter's Thething is more about the paranoia
of other and and trustingothers. And so I always find, if
you're going to go back andrevisit something, having that
like different take on it sointeresting. But with this, it
was the first one. It was thefirst adaptation of Dracula on

(54:25):
celluloid. There was the playprior, but so to go in that like
big of a direct of a directionthat, like almost nobody did
after, because everyone alwaysgoes for the romanticized
version, is so interesting andcool, and I don't know what was.
So one of the things that'scoming up in the press for this

(54:47):
is people's first introductionsto Nosferatu. And I feel like
Jacob and I might have the sameintroduction, but Jay, I was
just about to say it, Jay, whatwas your first introduction to
Nosferatu? How did you get fine.
Find it.

You. I probably saw the Herzog one
before I saw the Murnau one.
But, you know, it, it wasdefinitely I either way. I think
I probably saw still imagesbefore I actually saw the movie.
And that's what broke me in. Iwas like, Okay, this, this is
pretty scary, you know, yeah,

yeah, for us.
And I think many millennials andGen Z it was that. It was the
Hash Slinging Slasher, the nightshift episode of SpongeBob
SquarePants, where Nosferatuappears.

Yeah, the whole episode, they're going on
about the Hash Slinging Slasher,which is like a slasher killer,
or they think it's a slasherkiller. And at the end, it's
revealed, it's just a guyapplying for a job at the Krusty
Krab. And they go, who wasflicking the lights? And they
just cuts to Shreks Nosferatuwith his hand on the light
switch. And they just have thearm go, click, click, click,
click, click, click, and theyall just go, Nosferatu. And then

(55:55):
he smiles,

yeah, that was Jay lender, who, who was one of
the SpongeBob writers. And,yeah, no, that introduced an
entire generation to Nosferatu,

because everyone's like, what the fuck
was that? What's the Nosferatu?
And

even end the episode with like, a little
Photoshop of him smilingawkward, like, Marv,

hey, you got me. But Edgars, uh, was asked
that on the red carpet. He'slike, I think that's amazing.
He's like, I kind of missedthat, but I grew up on Muppet
Babies, and Muppet Babies, whichhave clips of long Chaney's
Phantom of the Opera. So it's,

it's awesome.
It's a lot you can do with thepublic domain. And I

think Nosferatu is one of the best
examples that you really docapture immortality on
celluloid. All right. Well,

let's call this one an episode. We're next.
This is probably our lastepisode of the year, but we will
have one more episode of thisseason because we had to come
back after the first of the yearwith our top 10s, and we're
waiting on our top 10s becauseboth these guys need to see
Nosferatu because we're gettingthere, I have a feel, and it's

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going to be on all three of ourlists, but I don't want to speak
for you guys. I might take itfor Christmas day we will see it
is, oh yeah, it's, it'sbeautiful. Our theme song is by
Restless Spirits, so go checkthem out. Our artwork is by
Chris Fisher, so go check himout. And what else? Oh, our
socials. Our Eye On Horroreverywhere, or ihorror.com which

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is the site we call home. Am Iforgetting anything on this?
Sign off? You did the sign offlast time. So I'm rusty on it.

I didn't do a good job at it. So don't, don't
come at me like that.

You did fine.
You you artwork, music, socials,there you go. You're you're
gonna inherit it next season.
No, anyway, we'll see you in acouple weeks with our top 10s of
the year, as if you can't putthem together from what our
rantings over the year, butwe'll see you in a couple weeks.
So for me, James, Jay Edwards,

I'm Jacob Davison

And I'm Jonathan Correia.

Keep your Eye On Horror.

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