July 7, 2025 • 50 mins
This week, inspired by M3GAN 2.0, the boys take a look at movie franchise that jumped genres in their sequels. From Terminator and Texas Chainsaw Massacre to Magic Mike and Munchies, the boys talk about their favorite genre bending sequels.
But before the main topic, the boys review M3GAN 2.0, Jurassic World: Rebirth, K-Pop Demon Hunters, and Trainwreck: Poop Cruise. Some of the boys catch up on titles they missed, such as The Woman in the Yard, Predator Killer of Killers, 28 Years Later, Final Destination: Bloodlines, The Ugly Stepsister, and Correia was in need for some Betty Gilpin reactions, so he revisits The Hunt 5 years later. ITS ALL NEW ON EYE ON HORROR!
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James Jay Edwards (00:25):
Welcome to Eye On Horror, the official
podcast of ihorroror.com this isepisode 148 otherwise known as
season eight. Episode Eight.
That's a lot of eights. I amyour host, James, Jay Edwards,
and with me, as always, is yourother host, Jacob Davison, how
you doing? Jacob,
Jacob Davidson (00:41):
doing good. Just tired. It's early. Also
James Jay Edwards (00:45):
with us, as always, is your other other
host, Jon. Correia, how are youdoing? Correia, I
Jonathan Correia (00:50):
do, yeah, very awake, yeah, very, very,
definitely did not just chuglike quarter of a bang can that
was in my fridge from lastnight.
James Jay Edwards (01:01):
I was gonna say we, we've been chatting a
little bit before we hit record,and you've been pounding that
bang.
Jonathan Correia (01:08):
There was, like, there was like, a quarter
of that can. It was so cold andso flat, but wide awake now,
baby, nice. So what's
James Jay Edwards (01:18):
been going on? The big release this week,
and it came out last night, butit will have come out the
weekend before this post. We'rerecording on the third So, yeah,
moment of silence for all thepeople who this is their last
day having 10 fingers.
Okay, the big release thisweekend is Jurassic World:
Rebirth. Have you guys seenJurassic World: Rebirth?
Jacob Davidson (01:40):
I did. I went to a special pre screening. You
know, one of those screen onscene. You don't know what
you're going to see. Oh, yeah,because of AMC.
James Jay Edwards (01:47):
Oh, cool. I saw our presser of it was
Monday, yeah, Monday night. Andthey, it's a little weird that
you can kind of tell when theybecause it opened Wednesday
night and they screened it forpress Monday night. It's always
a little weird when they do itthat last minute. What do you
think of Jurassic Worl (02:06):
Rebirth?
Jacob Davidson (02:09):
I dug it, you know, it, you know, kind of
simplified things and thatmaking it kind of a Fetch Quest
movie, because it's like these,the scientists and these
mercenaries have to go to likean R and D island of the
original Jurassic Park, and theyhave to get blood samples from a
big sea dinosaur, a big landdinosaur and a big air dinosaur
(02:33):
so that they can make a heartmedication that's worth
billions. Yeah,
James Jay Edwards (02:38):
that's the thing is they, they discovered
that these dinosaurs, it existsin the universe where dinosaurs
coexist with humans still, butthey've also determined that
dinosaurs only can live near theequator because of the climate,
and they figured out thatdinosaurs don't get heart
disease. So they're like, Oh,cool. If we can study why, then,
(02:58):
you know this, some bigpharmaceutical company wants to,
you know, rook the public withthis vaccine or cure for heart
disease. So, yeah, they have togo and get these tissue and
blood samples.
Jacob Davidson (03:10):
Yeah, no, it has some really good sequences,
like, especially if you're anaqua horror fan, there's a lot
of good scenes with themosasaurs and spinosaurs.
James Jay Edwards (03:22):
Lots of Jaws influenced on those scenes, very
Jacob Davidson (03:25):
Spielbergian, which, you know, it only makes
sense considering the franchise,and also being directed by
Gareth Edwards, who, I think,said, you know, Spielberg was
one of his favorite directors.
But also like the scene wherethere, there's a scene where a
bunch of characters on a raftgoing downstream, and there's a
T Rex going after them, and likea person sitting next to me
(03:45):
actually screamed, oh no, whenthe T Rex was getting at them
James Jay Edwards (03:50):
that scene, I couldn't help but sing to
myself, Marshall will and Holly,it was totally Land of the Lost.
Jacob Davidson (03:59):
The funny thing is, though, is that that
apparently was adapted from theoriginal Michael criden novel,
like there was a scene in thenovel that never made the
original adaptation, where thethe team is trying to get down
the river by raft and T rex isafter them. So it is interesting
that they kind of drew on theoriginal material for this late,
late sequel. Yeah,
James Jay Edwards (04:21):
here's, here's my deal with Jurassic
World rebirth. I think it neededmore dinosaurs, because
Jonathan Correia (04:27):
that's always my critique. Well, that every
movie, but,
James Jay Edwards (04:32):
you know, I said the same thing about Here,
that Tom Hanks Robin Wrightmovie, because it kind of starts
out with dinosaurs, and then itgoes. But anyway, the people in
Rebirth, I didn't care about atall, at all. I wanted the
dinosaurs to eat them, becauseyou've got this mercenary team
(04:53):
that's after this, you know,these tissue and blood samples.
But then also you got thisfamily that was sick. Feeling
across the Atlantic that theyhad to rescue. So you've got all
of these people, and none ofthem are really you don't care
about any of them. They try tomake you care about them because
(05:13):
they have like, conversationsbetween, you know, like Scarlett
Johansson and the others, where,you know, they talk about, oh,
you know this friend died, or,you know, this guy's separating
from his wife and in a custodybattle. You know, they do all
these things to try to make youcare about the people, but they
don't work. And all you want todo is see the dinosaurs ravage
(05:35):
these people, because thedinosaur scenes are pretty
awesome. And the thing is thatthey're this island was set up
as, like Jacob said, R and D.
This island was set up becausepeople at the park got tired of
seeing the same regulardinosaurs, so they're cross
breeding. They're geneticallyengineering new dinosaurs. And
so, of course, you've gotvelociraptors, you've got the T
(05:57):
Rex, you've got, you know,regular dinosaurs, but then
you've got these mutant onesthat you don't that that you've
never seen before. And, yeah, Ijust wanted more dinosaurs. I
wanted more people dying.
Jacob Davidson (06:12):
Specifically, I wanted more mutant dinosaurs
because that was kind of the bigsell to me, that this was going
to have, like, the weird mutantdinosaurs that never made it to
the main park, and we got acouple toward the end. But, you
know, I kind of wish that theyhad been more prominent.
Jonathan Correia (06:27):
I just love to think of a world where people
are so spoiled by the existenceof dinosaurs living amongst
humans that they're bored like,
Jacob Davidson (06:38):
Oh, I do love that aspect.
Jonathan Correia (06:40):
Talk about first world problems, cheese,
Jacob Davidson (06:42):
I know, like, there's this, there's this great
opening scene where it's in NewYork and, like, there's an
escaped Brontosaurus that'scollapsed on the highway.
Everybody's like, oh, theBrontosaurus is blocking
traffic.
Jonathan Correia (06:53):
I'm late for work. Again. Totally,
James Jay Edwards (06:55):
totally.
Everybody's pissed off becausethere's a traffic jam, because
this Brontosaurus passed out inthe middle, yeah. And
everybody's like, ho hum, okay,
Jonathan Correia (07:05):
Jesus. I really, I guess I really need to
watch dominion, because Ihaven't seen, I didn't watch the
last Jurassic World movie. Andit sounds like there's a big
jump between the mansion and inthe second world movie. And
this,
James Jay Edwards (07:18):
you don't really need that's the other
thing. Rebirth is it's kind oflike a reset of it. You don't, I
mean, you need to know theconcept that, okay, dinosaurs
now coexist with people, but youdon't really need to know a lot
about the other Jurassic Park orworld movies. I mean, it's, it's
kind of a hard reset. Theymentioned Jon Hammond, you know,
(07:39):
once or twice. But you don'treally need to know, you don't
need to have seen the othermovies recently to actually get
it.
Jacob Davidson (07:48):
It's pretty standalone,
James Jay Edwards (07:49):
yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's the word I
was looking for good, nice job.
So yeah, it, I mean, I was okaywith it. I it's about, I think
it's two hours and 14 minutes.
They could have shaved 20minutes off by just turning the
people into complete dinosaurfodder. You know, like, I it
(08:13):
didn't succeed. It at humanizingthe people the dinosaurs were
the heroes. To me, yeah,
Jacob Davidson (08:18):
I thought the arc with the family was pretty
compelling. But, yeah, no, IYeah, no. Like, I like the stuff
of the family, but, and yeah,like the little girl finding the
baby dinosaur, which felt verySpielberg, but yeah, the
mercenary stuff didn't quite hitfor me. So yeah, I'm kind of
with you on that. The
James Jay Edwards (08:35):
family's arc is kind of interesting, because
first, there's this lazy boyfrom the boyfriend of the oldest
daughter, who's just like, youthink he's a total prick, but
then he kind of redeems himselfin a few ways. And you're like,
Okay, this guy's not all bad.
So, yeah, the family arc was alittle more effective to me than
the mercenaries. But yeah, youknow, it's, you know, it's a
Jurassic Park movie. I
Jonathan Correia (08:57):
had fun. I finally caught up on a couple of
titles that are in theatersfinally watched 28 Years Later,
which was not expecting half ofthat. It was great like that
was, that was so Danny Boyle,just the editing, the the camera
work, I love that he they himand Alex Garland and everybody
(09:21):
took the opportunity to not justdeliver a oh, what would it look
like zombies? Like they werehaving a blast with just like
the editing and camerasequencing. I got very concerned
early on that Jody Cormier wasgoing to stay in that bed the
whole movie, which would havebeen a waste. Granted, while she
(09:42):
was in the bed, she screamedcunt like eight times. So like,
I was like, Maybe I'm okay withthis. Maybe I'm okay with her
saying the good but I love JodyCormier so much. I mean The Last
duel and Killing Eve. I mean fanfor life.
James Jay Edwards (09:56):
Did you see the bike riders?
Jonathan Correia (09:58):
You know, it's funny. You say. That in the
previous episode that it set upfor a rad sequel. But if
anything, that ending was givingAnna and the Apocalypse soldiers
of war. So
James Jay Edwards (10:09):
I mean the bike riders, as in the movie The
Bike Riders that. Jody Comer isin,
Jonathan Correia (10:13):
Oh, I thought you were talking about the bit
for the last episode. No, Ihaven't seen Bike Riders yet.
James Jay Edwards (10:19):
No, but I was gonna ask you, what do you think
of that ending? Where, where,like, I mean, do you see what I
mean, where they're gonna takeyou to some really exploitive
places, which is kind ofawesome.
Jonathan Correia (10:29):
No, I loved it. What was, what was his name?
Jimmy? Jimmy? Yeah, when Jimmyshows up, that's total like in
Anna and the apocalypse, whenthey start the one song about
killing zombies in that zombiemovie. I like, I just started
humming it because I'm like,they're giving, they're giving
it.
James Jay Edwards (10:45):
Also, it's so great because the kid's there
and he goes, you're almost outof error. Arrows, you mind if we
take this one?
Jacob Davidson (10:55):
Also, I love the book ending of the Teletubbies.
Jonathan Correia (10:58):
Yeah, that was, that was great. I will say
that was probably not my biggestcritique. But like, biggest
frustration is, and, like, I getit because they're, you know,
the characters only use arrows,like, for the entire thing, up
until Jimmy, the father and son,when they're out there. And I
get it because, you know,they're trying to stay away from
(11:20):
the rage virus, like all thatstuff. But like, no one figured
out how to use a blunt object atall on that fucking island like
that was very frustrating,especially since they kept
getting in that situation whereit's like, you're not even
taking out the arrows afteryou're using them, you're just
leaving them. Like,
James Jay Edwards (11:38):
yeah, but you gotta blunt objects splatter. I
mean, that's,
Jacob Davidson (11:43):
that's the and the arrows would be infected
with blood.
James Jay Edwards (11:47):
Yeah, yeah.
So, I mean, I get why you needto avoid all contact with bodily
fluids. So,
Jonathan Correia (11:54):
yeah, I get it. But also, there was just
that of just, like, just hit himwith a stick, just hit him with
a stick, but I get it, we alsowatched Final Destination
Bloodlines. That was a fundouble feature of doing those
two. I got to say, FinalDestination Bloodlines was
probably we've had a really goodrun of of having decent
(12:17):
audiences at AMCs, and that onewas one of the fucking worst, I
mean, sitting right next to acouple who had to talk and react
to literally every I'm talking,like opening scene, like when
she's like, Oh, I'm just reallyhappy to be here with you, she'd
go, oh
Jacob Davidson (12:35):
no. Like,
James Jay Edwards (12:36):
the Did I just see that?
Jonathan Correia (12:36):
anytime it was just like, what? And then, like,
the boyfriend or husband, justevery, anytime something
happened, he like, Oh, wow. Hethrew that penny. Oh yeah, cuz,
because it's just like, we know,we just saw it, and she just
react. We heard her react to itvery loudly. So like, but
anyways, that's when I put in mymy Pixel buds. Noise cancelation
(12:59):
ear bud on this side that theyare on, and it helps. But other
than that, what a blast. Thatwas a really fun movie. There
was there were some definitesome of those acting choices
were definitely choices withsome of the people. But I had so
much fun with it. I love thatthey played with the audience
and expectations a lot. Therewas a lot of things where it was
(13:23):
like, Oh, the sequence ishappening, so that means that
that's going to be incorporated.
It kind of faked you out, orwe're having fun with, like,
just even the marketing, becauseone of the first things they did
was show the tattoo parlorscene, and it was just like, oh,
you released a whole kill sceneand then fake out it wasn't a
(13:43):
kill scene, and it just left meso confused. I Yeah, it was. It
was definitely a lot of fun. Ithink it's, you know, top three
Final Destination movies. My
Jacob Davidson (14:08):
And incorporating the music of Kelly
Clarkson? Oh yeah.
Jonathan Correia (14:12):
No, it was. It was a blast. And, yeah, that
made for a great double feature.
The Sky
Jacob Davidson (14:16):
needle is probably not sure if my number
one, but definitely toppremonition def sequences.
James Jay Edwards (14:23):
Speaking of double feature revisits, or
finally catching up to, I caughtup to a couple things we talked
about. Last episode I watchedPredator Killer of Killers.
Yeah, it went to Hulu. Oh, myGod. What a blast. So much fun.
And it's so weird because it'sanimated, but the stunt work,
it's choreography, exactly. Thefight choreography in this
(14:48):
animated movie was great, but,oh yeah, that was a lot of
Jonathan Correia (14:51):
fun. They definitely knew like we're doing
animated predators, so we got totake advantage of it. So there
are kills in that that couldthat that would not be able to
pull off. In, in live action.
And they're because they couldso
Jacob Davidson (15:03):
many decapitations,
James Jay Edwards (15:05):
even the people fighting the people,
like, like the Viking scene, orthe the ninja versus Samurai,
though, you know, you're like,this is, you know, I think one
of you said that it was acompany that does almost like
animated storyboarding forregular movie and and that's
what it felt like. I'm like, Ican totally see them doing this,
and then having a stuntchoreographer go, Okay, we'll
(15:26):
get our actors to do that. But,yeah, it that was cool. But
also, I caught up with on yourrecommendation, Correia The Ugly
Stepsister, yeah. And, oh mygosh, you first of all the scene
where you were talking aboutOpera, that was the scene that
got me, you know, and, and, andI was like, kind of squirming,
(15:48):
and I'm like, oh, but then whenit got to the scene you talked
about with the tapeworm, andthen when I got to that, I'm
like, because first I was like,Oh, this has to be the scene
that really got him. And then itgot to the tapeworm woman. I'm
like, Nope, this is the scene,yeah,
Jacob Davidson (16:06):
yeah, yeah.
That'll make you squirm.
James Jay Edwards (16:09):
Yeah. That movie something else.
Jonathan Correia (16:12):
Thank you to The Ugly Stepsister for letting
me realize that you could takecocaine to the eyeballs and at
work, I didn't realize thatthat, that that in the in the
opera scene, that that was kindof more of a squeamishness than,
than the than the sewing, almostdropping hints on what happened,
(16:33):
but like, yeah, it's, it's, itwas loved. Ugly Stepsister that
I might have to that might turninto my new Oh, hey, what do we
want to watch? Jay, I don'tknow. We want to watch something
grows.
Jacob Davidson (16:46):
Yeah, you see, now that's how you do a public
domain fairy tale horror movie,yo, yeah,
Jonathan Correia (16:51):
yeah. We need to go back to the grim fairy
tales more often and show it'spretty close to, like, they
didn't go that stray that farfrom the original material, and,
like, the fucked upness. That'swhat's beautiful about it.
What's
James Jay Edwards (17:05):
fucked up about it, I mean, it, what makes
it fucked up is it's from adifferent point of view. It's,
you know, it's, it's thestepsister's point of view on
it. So, yeah, I mean, becausethey're trying to compete with
the natural beauty ofCinderella,
Jonathan Correia (17:18):
and again, they didn't make anyone really
an antagonist, nor a pro tag,you know, like it was, it was
all just like, everyone hadpretty decent motivation for
what they do under circumstancesand what they were going
through. I like, I like, Iunderstood and like, no one was
villainized, really, and I likedhow they did incorporate the
(17:39):
kind of more magical aspects ofCinderella, what with the
midnight and showing up to theball, and how does no one
recognize her? And she's got alittle like, mask thing? That
was great. I yeah, they answereda lot of questions I didn't know
I had of like, how were yougoing to address this?
Jacob Davidson (17:55):
Let's see, in terms of new stuff, on my end,
not quite horror, but I didwatch that new animated movie,
KPop Demon Hunters. And boy, didit at a lot of demons and k pop.
So it's not just a clever name,yeah, yeah, no. It was a lot of
fun. It definitely had a lot ofinfluence from, like, kind of
magical girl anime, like SailorMoon. And also, yeah, k pop, and
(18:19):
it has an amazing soundtrack.
Like, I don't really listen to kpop so much, but it really
hooked me. It's very catchy, andmuch like Predator hunter of
hunters, it has a lot of reallycool fight choreography, because
it's basically about this k poptrio who are secretly demon
hunters in South Korea, and theyfight they perform concerts by
night, and fight demons by day,that type of thing. And it's
(18:43):
just really funny to me,because, like, their main enemy
in the movie is, like the demonsdecide to strike back by like, a
few of them form a demon boyband, which just kind of makes
me think about back in the 90swhen, you know, like the
Evangelicals would say thatNSYNC and Backstreet Boys were
the tools of the devil. So it'slike that, yeah, it says kind of
(19:04):
like that, because, like, thedemon boy band is like, making a
plan to, like, make their fanbase stronger so they can steal
the souls of their fans. And,yeah, knows it was a lot of fun.
I really dug it.
James Jay Edwards (19:17):
A demon boy band that makes me think of the
Pick of Destiny on the devil. Ilove metal. Yeah, it
Jacob Davidson (19:26):
turns out heavy metal wasn't demonic. It was boy
bands. It was boy bands, whichwas the devil's music. Check
this riff. It's fucking tasty.
Jonathan Correia (19:37):
I'll never forget the day when I was
watching pick a destiny, and mymom came in, and she came in
right at the part where they gofuck, and the devil goes, Yes,
you are fucked, and my talk, youwill suck. And she said, What
are you watching? And I'm like,tenacious. D, yeah,
Jacob Davidson (19:58):
shit. Who? Who was the devil in that of Dave
Grohl? Dave Grohl, right? Yeah,yeah. No, they got Dave girl to
say a lot of lewd shit, which isgreat, yeah. But yeah. K Pop,
demon hunters, I recommended,speaking
James Jay Edwards (20:12):
of lewd shit, I tell you, I'm, I'm a little
addicted to these Train Wreckdocumentaries on Netflix. The
new one is Poop Cruise. Okay,you probably remember the news
story of this. It was a cruiseship that was sailing between
Mexico and the it was sailingacross the Gulf of Mexico. Yes,
(20:33):
the Gulf of Mexico deal with it.
And there was a fire in theengine room, and so it lost
power. And when it loses power,nothing can can be the toilets
don't even flush, but like,there's no air conditioning,
there's, you know, everything isout on the ship. So these poor
people, you know, they're livingin filth. They're living in Sue
(20:55):
and this, they talk topassengers, they talk to the
captain, they talk to one of thechefs and and the captain thinks
that, you know, they're gonnasolve it. They're like, Okay,
well, you know, if you have togo number one, just pee in the
shower. No problem. If you haveto go number two, we're gonna
just, we're gonna distributethese red biohazard bags go in
(21:17):
there. And they talked about thepastors he goes, my goal became
to not use one of the red packs.
But at then the winds startblowing. So they're, they're
powerless. So the wind startedblowing, so they're, they sent
out tug boats to pull them intoport, in somewhere, in like
Alabama or something. And thewinds blew, so they had to pull
(21:40):
them back to Mexico. Sobasically, it turned into,
instead of their them being outthere for two days, they were
out there for like, six so and,and this one poor guy's like,
oh, yeah, I'm gonna have to usethe red bags.
Jonathan Correia (21:53):
There's not enough red bags for six days.
But
James Jay Edwards (21:56):
then also they were talking about, um,
because the refrigeration wasdown. They opened the bars. It's
like, no. That is the dumbestthing to do when you don't have
toilets. And then, of course, ofcourse, the showers start
backing up because people arepeeing in them, and so the decks
are flooding with just sewageand food. Oh, my god, yeah,
(22:19):
it's, Oh, terrible, terrible.
And
Jacob Davidson (22:22):
this is why I refuse to take a
Jonathan Correia (22:24):
cruise. I didn't even need this to be a
reason to not take a cruise. Ihave, I have been very anti
cruise for some time. I've beenon cruises and had fun or
whatnot, but, like, as an adult,I'm like, I feel like there's a
better use of my money than acruise.
James Jay Edwards (22:39):
You know, that's, I'm not necessarily anti
cruise, but I just don't havethe money, you know, I, I would
love to take one of those. What?
What do they call the one ofthe, the cruises where, like,
all the 80s heavy metal bandsplay, oh, they call it
Jonathan Correia (22:55):
the, I, my sister works on the on it. It's,
like, the tons of metal cruiseor something? Yeah,
James Jay Edwards (23:02):
yeah. I don't remember what they're called,
but those ones when I always seeon social media, you know, they,
I mean, they have bands that Ilove on these cruises, and that
would probably be fun. Butagain, you know, who's got that
kind of money to use on acruise?
Jonathan Correia (23:16):
I'll admit, you know, I've seen
advertisements for, like, a StarTrek themed cruise, and I'm
like, you know, like somethingwhere it's like, if everyone on
the ship is, like, on the samelevel for, like, a love for
something, but like, just arandom cruise with a bunch of
Rando tourists, like,
Jacob Davidson (23:33):
yeah, yeah, no, it needs a stick, yeah.
James Jay Edwards (23:35):
Have either you guys see that we're a little
late to this party, or at leastI am. We guys, seen The Woman in
the Yard? Yes,
Jonathan Correia (23:42):
I saw it in theaters.
James Jay Edwards (23:44):
Oh, okay, I saw it because it is now on. I
don't know. One of the things Ido Peacock, maybe it's on one of
the, yeah, it's on one of thethings I subscribed. I subscribe
to all of those. What do youthink of The Woman in the Yard?
Jonathan Correia (23:58):
I liked a lot of it. I think
James Jay Edwards (24:02):
it sounds like we're on the same page. I
was gonna say it didn'tcompletely work for me, but when
it did work, it worked flawless.
I love the spooky stuff and allthat. But narratively, there are
some parts that didn't quiteclick, but the spooky stuff was
super effective for me.
Jonathan Correia (24:22):
I think it was for me, at least a victim of
advertising, where theadvertising may set up an
expectation or, of like, whattype of movie it is that it
wasn't similar to another moviewe'll discuss a little bit
later. And and so, like I waskind of going in thinking it was
(24:44):
going to be more of like aSouthern Gothic Candy Man type
deal, and and it wasn't. And Ithink it took me a bit to get
over that. And then once I didget over it, I loved it, like I
loved what was going on. Becauseby that point. In the movie,
it's like, oh, this is what'shappening. These are the rules.
This is what's okay. I get itnow, and like, I was able to,
(25:06):
like, fully get into it. But Ithink just like, having that,
like, kind of like bit in themiddle where I'm like, Wait, is
this not what I was what I wasgoing in for, it did ruin it.
But it was definitely, like a itwas a distraction for me. But I
still really liked, I thought,what a lot of what they did,
especially like that third act,I thought was really well done.
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It was just kind of like that,like, middle ground of like,
going from like this greatopening, of like, what's
happening, to like that thirdact, it's really solid. And the
performances I really enjoyed,like, they were really good.
There's
James Jay Edwards (25:43):
a lot of what's happening in that movie.
I mean, it is fun because itlets you figure things out for
yourself. You know, you have todo a lot of thinking as a
viewer, which is cool. You know,they don't just spoon feed stuff
to you. So yeah. But yeah, itis, uh, yeah, I like, like, I
said it narratively, it didn'tcompletely work for me, um, but
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atmospherically, and just theoverall vibe of it totally did.
And when you know it, I didn'tsee it in the theater, but I
imagine there would have beensome good scares in a theater,
because some of it was just socreepy that I was like, God, if
I wasn't just sitting here on mycouch with my dogs. This would
probably raise some, you know,raise some goose bumps.
Jonathan Correia (26:26):
Yeah, it's definitely one that I would like
to revisit, you know, becausesometimes you go into movies
with an expectation, and thatkind of hinders your experience
a bit. And so it takes me, like,a second or a second viewing to
kind of like, really appreciatewhat it is. In fact, actually, I
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did that recently with The Hunt.
Do you guys remember that movie?
James Jay Edwards (26:51):
Yeah, I felt so bad for Craig Zobel with The
Hunt, because it got delayedbecause of COVID, and then it
got delayed because,
Jacob Davidson (27:03):
or it got delayed because it got delayed
because of Trump,
James Jay Edwards (27:06):
yeah, yeah, it got delayed, yeah, that's,
that's what it was like,
Jacob Davidson (27:10):
it came out because it came out, and then
COVID hit, like, right aroundthe time
James Jay Edwards (27:14):
again, that's what is. It got it got delayed
because people were afraid thatmaggots were going to shoot up
the theaters. Yeah? And then,and then it came out. Yeah,
you're right. It came out rightas COVID was hitting. So, yeah,
I felt bad for that, but yeah,
Jonathan Correia (27:29):
which I because I just, it was just one
of those days where I was like,I need a little bit of a
comfort. And so I need to seeBetty Gilpin just give the
greatest reactions, becauseshe's such a great character
actor, like, just so good. Andin this movie, I think, I don't
know what direction she wasgiven, but I feel like she was
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just given, like, go for it.
Just go for it, because she did.
And like, there's no moment inthat movie where she doesn't
give the absolute best reactionto what's happening and and
it's, she's almost like a BugsBunny type character in it.
It's, it's, it's, she's so goodin that movie. And I don't know
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if that movie would have workedwithout her, but if you go on
Letterboxd and other any in thereviews of the movie at the
time, everyone was is kind ofgoing, what's the politics of
this movie? What's the politicsof this movie? Because you have
ultra rich Neo liberals huntingpoor right wing folks for sport,
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which no one looks good. Itcritiques both sides on that
politically. And ultimately, Idon't think the movie was trying
to beat what is is political. Ithink it's a, it's a it's about
class. It's about classism. Andultimately, I mean, isn't that
what all man hunting peoplemovies are about is about class?
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Is about when you get to thepoint where you're so rich that
you can just hunt people andessentially not an operate like
you, like, there's noconsequences for it. Like,
that's what it comes down to. SoI definitely walked away in
revisiting it five years laterwith a with a greater
appreciation for the movie. It'sstill really funny. I do love
the fake outs. Like, in the verybeginning, you have Emma Roberts
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and the cameras focusing on her.
And then, yeah, boom. She'slike, first get taken out
unceremoniously, and then youfollow another person, and it's
like, Oh, is there gonna be alove story here? And then
they're taking outunceremoniously. And then you're
like, oh,
Jacob Davidson (29:31):
Baron Holt just kind of takes the lead for a
minute there. Yeah, yeah. And
Jonathan Correia (29:35):
then, oh, what's his what's his face? Who
plays Sal Saperstein in in TheStudio.
Jacob Davidson (29:42):
That's his name.
Ike Baron holds, oh
Jonathan Correia (29:43):
yes, i Yeah. I Baron holds, I mean, it
definitely had more fun becauseof the studio and going. Sal
Saperstein, thank you. Thankyou. Sal Saperstein, yeah, and
the fake outs, but yeah,definitely had a lot more fun
with it than I did. You know,five years
Jacob Davidson (30:00):
ago, oh man.
Also, I was at the pre screeningat the Egyptian theater with the
directors there. And, yeah, no,again, it's just this is kind of
unlocked the memory for me,because, as a because, like,
this was just as COVID was aboutto happen. So like, they were
throwing toilet paper into theaudiences.
Jonathan Correia (30:15):
What a time, what a time. Oh
Jacob Davidson (30:19):
boy, what a time. Yeah.
James Jay Edwards (30:21):
Well, the other thing that has come out
this week that is going to kindof transition us into our topic
is Megan 2.0 or my three gun 2.0have we all seen this? Oh, yeah,
I have it. What do you guysthink? I thought
Jacob Davidson (30:35):
it was pretty good. I mean, you know,
definitely taking a swing,changing it from, you know, the
kind of like, in my review, Isaid, you know, they went from
Child's Play to Ghost in theShell, because, yeah, it's uh,
horror to action. Uh, cyber,like more of a cyberpunk edge
this time around. Um, yeah, no,I thought it was an interesting
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way to go about it. Uh, still,plenty of people dying, of
course. And you know, you gotM3GAN front, front and center
and, um, yeah, if I was allright,
James Jay Edwards (31:05):
my review, I said that it went from
Terminator to Terminator 2,because not only did it kind of
go from horror to more of likean action kind of a thing, but
also you got the villain fromthe first movie coming back as
The hero of the second, youknow, to save the humans. So
there it works on a couple waysin that, but yeah, it Megan.
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Here's the funny thing. This isa little side note my screening
of of M3GAN 2.0 they evacuatedthe theater in the middle of it.
We it was right in the middle ofit, and they came into the
theater and they said, you know,we have an incident. We have to
evacuate. And, you know, so. AndI was actually really impressed.
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It was an AMC, and with both, Iwas impressed with both the
theater workers and thecustomers, because there were 18
screens in this theater, andeverybody was super orderly, you
know, no push and shoving,trampling or anything. Everybody
just evacuated, and the firedepartment showed up, and I
never did find out why. But thefunny thing is, it was right
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about when it was a little bitafter, but you realize that
Amelia, the evil Megan, the evilAI, is taking over the clouds,
so she's able to shut downdifferent parts of the country,
and then all of a sudden we hadto evacuate theater. So I
thought it was an ARG gonecrazy, but and they invited us
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back the next night to screen,although then I had to watch the
first half again. And honestly,M3GAN 2.0 I wasn't a big fan of
as a movie. I think it played alittle too fast and loose with
with genre, but we'll get we'llget into that. I
Jonathan Correia (32:47):
mean, you guys have heard me the last few
months running around, goingguys, they made a cunty t2 I was
very excited, and I had a lot offun in the screening. And I
think I walked out notremembering a whole lot. There's
a lot of exposition happening,of explaining, and I do think
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that it gets a little boggeddown with what it's trying to
say about AI. Because I think atthe end of the day, it was
trying to say something aboutAI, but not say something about
AI. It was, it was very weirdmessaging, which is weird
because they were expositioninga lot about AI regulation and
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stuff.
James Jay Edwards (33:34):
It's funny because I explained to someone,
when I was explaining to themwhen the when the theater is
evacuated, I said it was rightwhen Megan was doing her Bond
villain speech, which is, whichis what she's explaining to
Gemma and Katie, that she'salways been there watching over
them, and it is like a Bondvillain speech. So it's funny,
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you say that there's a lot ofexposition, because there
totally is, and the expositionis all spoken like that too. No.
So, yeah,
Jonathan Correia (34:01):
I love the action. I love that the main
villain at the end goes fullZuckerberg and how he carries
himself, and everything that wasthat was great. There was a lot
of stuff I liked in it. I dothink it's a victim of two
things. I think it's, it'sadvertising.
Jacob Davidson (34:22):
The marketing was a problem.
Jonathan Correia (34:23):
The marketing made it seem like and that's not
to say that Megan isn't cuntyand that there wasn't cunty
moments in the movie, but itwasn't that level of camp the
whole movie. There were momentsof it. And I do think that the
advertising was trying to leaninto that harder, and they used
a lot of scenes that weren't inthe movie with it, not not
calling false advertising. But Idid find that a little
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interesting, that there were,like, lines of dialog or scenes
that were in the trailer thatweren't in the movie. And it, I
think it's also, I think ithindered itself in trying to be
too broad appeal, because, like.
You could tell they were tryingto go for that camp at moments,
but then they would quickly,like, veer away from it. And,
you know, the P, also, PG 13rating with a horror movie like
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that, kind of feels like,already they're trying to go
more appeal. So I think it wasjust kind of like a level of,
like, we don't know how hard togo on things with that. That
means I thought it was stillpretty solid. I just think it
was quite long for what it forwhat it was. And I loved Amelia,
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though I thought she was great.
She was serving the entire time.
How
James Jay Edwards (35:38):
long did it take you to realize that wasn't
Elizabeth Olsen
Jonathan Correia (35:41):
pretty quickly, because she was in
Ahsoka,
James Jay Edwards (35:45):
yeah, but no, it was funny because we were the
whole time, like when we werediscussing it during the
evacuation, before we realizedthat they weren't going to let
us back in. We were like, Oh,was that? Was it? Was it? And
then we finally looked up onIMDb. We're like, no, that's not
but even the actress looks likeElizabeth, yeah, my issue with
Amelia is she was a little tooconvincing as a as as a
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humanoid. She was a little bitof that Iris from Companion, oh,
she with Megan. There's a littlebit of that uncanny valley,
because it still looks like adoll that acts like, you know,
like a human, but Amelialiterally would pass for a
human. So it, it kind of takesthe creep factor out, you know,
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you've just got a heartlesskiller, you know. And
Jonathan Correia (36:35):
that came out in the performance, I think the
uncanniness, because there weretimes where she was doing stuff
like when Jeremy Clement wastrying to woo her woo he's
wooing her for the flight of theConcords reference, but there
was like, some really weird,uncanny, just like behavior with
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like the voice she was using, orwhen he's When he's when she's
trying to scan his eyes whileshe's kissing, but she's giving
nothing
James Jay Edwards (37:04):
like, and her eyes are open, waiting for him
to open
Jonathan Correia (37:08):
his eyes and like, her mouth, not just her
entire face, just stiff, justwide eyed while he's, like,
making out on her eyes. It'screepy. And, like I said,
there's a lot of really funmoments. I just think there's,
there was just like, a lot oflike, I also think it suffered
from making Amelia and Megan toopowerful, like, too strong,
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like, all of a sudden it's like,Wait, they're tapping into
everything. Wait, they could dothat like it. They went from
like being kind of like a localproblem to suddenly, like in
absolute god mode while tryingto take on ai, ai God, it's, it
was just like, I think theymight have made him a bit too
powerful, which, you know, Istill, I'd still like to see a
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3.0
James Jay Edwards (37:55):
that comes with the power of of AI itself.
Because, you know, like, like,he was demonstrating, you know,
he, he's, at one point, thegermane client Clement
character, just to show off, heturns off all the lights in the
city, and then, oops, and thenhe turns him back on, because he
can, you know, with his cloudserver, yeah. So, I think that
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part that is kind of like, oh,how much power does, how much
power is in the cloud, you know?
So,
Jacob Davidson (38:25):
yeah, there was a lot of kind of shotgun blast
tech industry criticism andsatire, kind of throughout,
James Jay Edwards (38:32):
which is going to take us on to our
topic, which is movies that haveswitched genre for the sequel
and, you know, like M3GAN 2.0 Ithink the obvious one I'm going
to bring up first, and this is agood example of it, is Alien,
alien. The first one isbasically a horror slasher
movie. And all of the ones afterthat, except maybe Prometheus,
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but all of them became likeaction movies. Um, so that's
that. That's kind of theblueprint for what we've got
here. What other ones can youguys think of? We already kind
of mentioned Terminator, whichis kind of the same deal. The
first one's kind of a slasher.
And then T2 became just sciencefiction, Action. What else we
got?
Jonathan Correia (39:15):
Oh, the first Terminator was definitely
gritty. 880s LA, slasher, lowbudget to suddenly this, you
know, mega budget actionextravaganza. That was a that
was a huge shift.
Jacob Davidson (39:30):
It was especially because at that time,
you know, just it was so mindblowing that Arnold, who was the
bad guy in the originalTerminator, shows up, and this
time he's the good guy.
Jonathan Correia (39:41):
It's such a great scene, yeah,
Jacob Davidson (39:43):
but in terms of genre shift stuffs, the example
that I go to immediately wouldbe Army of Darkness the second
Evil Dead sequel. Because youknow, first the Evil Dead, which
is a bloody gory and over thetop cabin the woods,
supernatural possession movie,then you got Evil Dead 2 which
gets a little wackier. Orslapstick, and with still ample
gore and Army of Darkness isstraight up the swords and
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sandals fantasy action adventuremovie. It's a Ash dropped into
Jason and The Argonauts, likethe skeletons were even inspired
by
Jonathan Correia (40:18):
that absolutely. I mean, I mean, it's
not horror, but my brain wantsto jump to Magic Mike XXL,
because, because you go fromlike a very serious drama to a
buddy road movie, the secondone, and then I don't know what
the fuck happened with the thirdone, but we don't talk about my
disappointment with that, but itto stay within genre. I mean,
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definitely, you know, I would, Iwould mention Gremlins to the
new batch, the new batch, andit's not as hard of a of a genre
shift. The first one isdefinitely like a Christmas
horror, kind of fantasy, youknow, with with with a bunch of
comedy in it. But the second onegoes full Looney Tunes cartoon
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over the top, it is thedefinition of going bigger with
your sequel on like every levelwith it, and making fun of the
first film and and doing aslight shift to genre, and
really just taking what made thefirst movie work and going all
right, Cool. How do we do thattimes 10 and with like, the
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absolute insanity. I mean, ohgod, I love Gremlins too. So
much.
Jacob Davidson (41:29):
The musical sequence alone, good God. Just
Jonathan Correia (41:33):
you pick any moment from that movie, and it's
God Mode. Joe Dante and CO werein god mode when it came to the
New Batch
James Jay Edwards (41:42):
with, you know, speaking of, like, of, uh,
going from simple to turning itup to 10. There's two that I
think of when I think of that.
And one is The Blair WitchProject to Blair Witch two. And
also Cloverfield to 10,Cloverfield Lane. Because those
were both. They both kind ofwent from that found footage
schlock to more big budget andactual traditional movies. And
at least in the case of BlairWitch, it went to like a self
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referential, you know, kind ofalmost parodying itself.
Jacob Davidson (42:11):
And conversely, then you got a movie like
Ghoulies, which, you know, thefirst two Ghoulies are basically
the same with, like the littleghoulies unleashed in a haunted
house and then a sideshowcarnival just going around
killing people and getting tohijinks. But then you got what I
believe to be the peak of thefranchise, with Ghoulies 3:
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Ghoulies Go to College, wherethe Ghoulies go to college, and
it's basically Ghoulies, but afrat comedy like Animal House
and with, yeah, it's kind oflike the Gremlins 2, of the
franchise, because you got theGhoulies doing more slaps
against and also, in this one,they can talk. And one of them
is even voiced by Americasweetheart Richard Kind Oh,
Jonathan Correia (42:54):
yeah. Well, if you're going, if we're going to
continue with the little,little, little mayhem guy
buddies, genre, I think that'swhat that genre is called,
little guy buddies. Genre.
Little guys can't forgetMunchies to Munchie, because
munchies started it on the firstthat first movie was very much
so in that like horror comedywith, you know, bunch of little
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guys causing mayhem, type deal,genre. And then the sequel,
munchie is full on, like, 90s,cool, weird guy on a skateboard
coming in to muck things likevery cat in the Hattie.
Jacob Davidson (43:31):
Dom DeLuise, yeah.
Jonathan Correia (43:33):
So any chance to bring up the Munchies
franchise, like, gotta take it
James Jay Edwards (43:38):
to kind of go away from traditional horror. I
think that Rambo and the FirstBlood to rant to Rambo was a
dramatic shift, because firstblood was almost like a drama
about about PTSD, you know, andit absolutely was yeah and yeah
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and, you know, this soldierwho's dealing with his past. And
then the rest of the RAMBOmovies are just complete shoot
them ups in and blood baths.
Jonathan Correia (44:07):
I mean, I think the most indicative of,
like, the complete shift in toneand almost drawn because it is,
it is a genre jump from like adrama with, like a bit of action
to a full on, you know, 80saction film with part two is the
kill count, because in Oh yeah,in first blood, he accidentally
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kills one person. Yeah, exactly.
And First Blood Part Two, Imean, it's dozens, and by the
time you get to Rambo four,it's, it's in the hundreds. But
like, oh yeah, does he have ahigher kill count than, like, a
Slasher killer, I think at thispoint
James Jay Edwards (44:41):
probably he probably does, yeah,
Jacob Davidson (44:44):
and as though, bring it back to horror, it's
funny because there was almostkind of a Rambo horror movie,
because they were, like, tryingto make that Rambo movie where
Rambo fights a werewolf, becausepredator was a huge success. So
they were trying to ape off ofthat. Yeah,
Jonathan Correia (44:58):
I also heard there was like an Alien one,
two, for a little bit before,before Rambo four or so there
was, like a Rambo versus alien.
It might have been like a rumor,probably, but because, like,
remember when they said theywere going to remake Evil Dead
with Ashton Kutcher for amoment? What? Yeah, I remember
that
Jacob Davidson (45:19):
rumor, and back on Joe Dante and unmade movies
like that. Yeah. He was evenposting the other day about how
he almost did, uh, JAWS, threepeople zero, which would have
been a National Lampoon Jawsmovie about them trying to make
a sequel to jaws and the SharkEating everybody in the in the
crew made, trying to make thenew Jaws movie.
Jonathan Correia (45:36):
Yeah. Do you guys think, uh, jumping genres
counts for Texas ChainsawMassacre,
James Jay Edwards (45:42):
yes, yeah, absolutely. Oh yeah, it
absolutely does. Because eventhough, yeah, even though both
one and two are just flat outhorror movies, the second one is
the first one almost feels likea documentary, because it's so
raw, and the second one is morepolished, and there's more
almost like evil, dead kind ofcomedy to it. So, yeah,
Jacob Davidson (46:03):
like, much more splat stick.
Jonathan Correia (46:04):
I asked that because Toby Hooper has gone on
the record to say the reason whythey went so over the top with
two is a they got more budget.
But also that he wasdisappointed no one saw the
first one as a comedy like hedid. So sense of humor, yeah. So
he was like, All right, cool.
I'm gonna make this as obviousas a comedy as possible, which
is why you have the opening withleather face with the biggest
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chainsaw ever swinging at some80s yuppies to Oingo Boingos, No
one lives forever. Which top 10sequences?
James Jay Edwards (46:35):
What do you guys think? Do you think Saw
counts? Because the first saw isalmost like just a just a
psychological almost like apsychological thriller, although
it's got a little bit of thattorture porn stuff. But then the
Saws get progressively moreridiculous. So is it? Do you
think it's a slow enough changethat? Well,
Jacob Davidson (46:55):
yeah, no, actually, it's funny. You
mentioned that, because I've gota friend who's a massive fan of
Saw, and she and she says eventhat one of the things she loves
about the franchise is becauseit starts off like, Yeah, you
said the psychological thriller,and it turns into a horror soap
opera, because there's all theplot lines and, you know, like
character backstories andconnections and plot twists. So
(47:15):
it is kind of the horror Days ofOur Lives with, like, all
because there was so manyretcons and they trying to keep
the story going? So, yeah, Imean, if you look at it that
way,
James Jay Edwards (47:24):
it might have been a slow enough it wasn't
really on a dime. It just kindof happened over the course of
the, what 11 movies now, 1010,yeah, it happens over the course
of the of the 10 movies thatthat that happened, I don't
think, I mean, if it just wentfrom saw one to saw x, then it
would have been more obvious.
But
Jonathan Correia (47:46):
well, it's like the Fast and the Furious
franchise. They did a similartrajectory where, like the first
one was, you know, Point Break,but with street cars, and then
it slowly turned into, I wouldalso say, the most expensive
soap opera franchise of all timebecause the retcons, the
flashbacks, the you had a secretchild, yes, and it was kidnapped
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by my secret brother. I mean,come on, those fast movies are
soap operas, but with bigexplosions and vroom vrooms.
James Jay Edwards (48:15):
All right, cool. Well, yeah, what? What did
we miss on movies that took ahard left turn on their sequels.
Let us know. And yeah, look atthis. We did an episode after
two weeks. We're back.
Jacob Davidson (48:31):
Before we go. I do have an announcement to make.
Okay? I will be hosting ascreening with the HellRaisers
Film Club at Culver City thenight of Wednesday the 16th, and
I'm hosting a mystery VHS doublefeature,
James Jay Edwards (48:43):
July, 16.
July 16,
Jonathan Correia (48:45):
yeah, oh yeah,
James Jay Edwards (48:46):
cool. All right. Well, everybody go to
that. We'll, we'll post on oursocials. More detail about that.
Thank you absolutely. And yeah,let's get out of here. So our
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Jacob Davidson (49:43):
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And I'm Jonathan Correia.
James Jay Edwards (49:59):
Keep your Eye On Horror.
Welcome to Eye On Horror, the official
podcast of ihorroror.com this isepisode 148 otherwise known as
season eight. Episode Eight.
That's a lot of eights. I amyour host, James, Jay Edwards,
and with me, as always, is yourother host, Jacob Davison, how
you doing? Jacob,
Jacob Davidson (00:41):
doing good. Just tired. It's early. Also
James Jay Edwards (00:45):
with us, as always, is your other other
host, Jon. Correia, how are youdoing? Correia, I
Jonathan Correia (00:50):
do, yeah, very awake, yeah, very, very,
definitely did not just chuglike quarter of a bang can that
was in my fridge from lastnight.
James Jay Edwards (01:01):
I was gonna say we, we've been chatting a
little bit before we hit record,and you've been pounding that
bang.
Jonathan Correia (01:08):
There was, like, there was like, a quarter
of that can. It was so cold andso flat, but wide awake now,
baby, nice. So what's
James Jay Edwards (01:18):
been going on? The big release this week,
and it came out last night, butit will have come out the
weekend before this post. We'rerecording on the third So, yeah,
moment of silence for all thepeople who this is their last
day having 10 fingers.
Okay, the big release thisweekend is Jurassic World:
Rebirth. Have you guys seenJurassic World: Rebirth?
Jacob Davidson (01:40):
I did. I went to a special pre screening. You
know, one of those screen onscene. You don't know what
you're going to see. Oh, yeah,because of AMC.
James Jay Edwards (01:47):
Oh, cool. I saw our presser of it was
Monday, yeah, Monday night. Andthey, it's a little weird that
you can kind of tell when theybecause it opened Wednesday
night and they screened it forpress Monday night. It's always
a little weird when they do itthat last minute. What do you
think of Jurassic Worl (02:06):
Rebirth?
Jacob Davidson (02:09):
I dug it, you know, it, you know, kind of
simplified things and thatmaking it kind of a Fetch Quest
movie, because it's like these,the scientists and these
mercenaries have to go to likean R and D island of the
original Jurassic Park, and theyhave to get blood samples from a
big sea dinosaur, a big landdinosaur and a big air dinosaur
(02:33):
so that they can make a heartmedication that's worth
billions. Yeah,
James Jay Edwards (02:38):
that's the thing is they, they discovered
that these dinosaurs, it existsin the universe where dinosaurs
coexist with humans still, butthey've also determined that
dinosaurs only can live near theequator because of the climate,
and they figured out thatdinosaurs don't get heart
disease. So they're like, Oh,cool. If we can study why, then,
(02:58):
you know this, some bigpharmaceutical company wants to,
you know, rook the public withthis vaccine or cure for heart
disease. So, yeah, they have togo and get these tissue and
blood samples.
Jacob Davidson (03:10):
Yeah, no, it has some really good sequences,
like, especially if you're anaqua horror fan, there's a lot
of good scenes with themosasaurs and spinosaurs.
James Jay Edwards (03:22):
Lots of Jaws influenced on those scenes, very
Jacob Davidson (03:25):
Spielbergian, which, you know, it only makes
sense considering the franchise,and also being directed by
Gareth Edwards, who, I think,said, you know, Spielberg was
one of his favorite directors.
But also like the scene wherethere, there's a scene where a
bunch of characters on a raftgoing downstream, and there's a
T Rex going after them, and likea person sitting next to me
(03:45):
actually screamed, oh no, whenthe T Rex was getting at them
James Jay Edwards (03:50):
that scene, I couldn't help but sing to
myself, Marshall will and Holly,it was totally Land of the Lost.
Jacob Davidson (03:59):
The funny thing is, though, is that that
apparently was adapted from theoriginal Michael criden novel,
like there was a scene in thenovel that never made the
original adaptation, where thethe team is trying to get down
the river by raft and T rex isafter them. So it is interesting
that they kind of drew on theoriginal material for this late,
late sequel. Yeah,
James Jay Edwards (04:21):
here's, here's my deal with Jurassic
World rebirth. I think it neededmore dinosaurs, because
Jonathan Correia (04:27):
that's always my critique. Well, that every
movie, but,
James Jay Edwards (04:32):
you know, I said the same thing about Here,
that Tom Hanks Robin Wrightmovie, because it kind of starts
out with dinosaurs, and then itgoes. But anyway, the people in
Rebirth, I didn't care about atall, at all. I wanted the
dinosaurs to eat them, becauseyou've got this mercenary team
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that's after this, you know,these tissue and blood samples.
But then also you got thisfamily that was sick. Feeling
across the Atlantic that theyhad to rescue. So you've got all
of these people, and none ofthem are really you don't care
about any of them. They try tomake you care about them because
(05:13):
they have like, conversationsbetween, you know, like Scarlett
Johansson and the others, where,you know, they talk about, oh,
you know this friend died, or,you know, this guy's separating
from his wife and in a custodybattle. You know, they do all
these things to try to make youcare about the people, but they
don't work. And all you want todo is see the dinosaurs ravage
(05:35):
these people, because thedinosaur scenes are pretty
awesome. And the thing is thatthey're this island was set up
as, like Jacob said, R and D.
This island was set up becausepeople at the park got tired of
seeing the same regulardinosaurs, so they're cross
breeding. They're geneticallyengineering new dinosaurs. And
so, of course, you've gotvelociraptors, you've got the T
(05:57):
Rex, you've got, you know,regular dinosaurs, but then
you've got these mutant onesthat you don't that that you've
never seen before. And, yeah, Ijust wanted more dinosaurs. I
wanted more people dying.
Jacob Davidson (06:12):
Specifically, I wanted more mutant dinosaurs
because that was kind of the bigsell to me, that this was going
to have, like, the weird mutantdinosaurs that never made it to
the main park, and we got acouple toward the end. But, you
know, I kind of wish that theyhad been more prominent.
Jonathan Correia (06:27):
I just love to think of a world where people
are so spoiled by the existenceof dinosaurs living amongst
humans that they're bored like,
Jacob Davidson (06:38):
Oh, I do love that aspect.
Jonathan Correia (06:40):
Talk about first world problems, cheese,
Jacob Davidson (06:42):
I know, like, there's this, there's this great
opening scene where it's in NewYork and, like, there's an
escaped Brontosaurus that'scollapsed on the highway.
Everybody's like, oh, theBrontosaurus is blocking
traffic.
Jonathan Correia (06:53):
I'm late for work. Again. Totally,
James Jay Edwards (06:55):
totally.
Everybody's pissed off becausethere's a traffic jam, because
this Brontosaurus passed out inthe middle, yeah. And
everybody's like, ho hum, okay,
Jonathan Correia (07:05):
Jesus. I really, I guess I really need to
watch dominion, because Ihaven't seen, I didn't watch the
last Jurassic World movie. Andit sounds like there's a big
jump between the mansion and inthe second world movie. And
this,
James Jay Edwards (07:18):
you don't really need that's the other
thing. Rebirth is it's kind oflike a reset of it. You don't, I
mean, you need to know theconcept that, okay, dinosaurs
now coexist with people, but youdon't really need to know a lot
about the other Jurassic Park orworld movies. I mean, it's, it's
kind of a hard reset. Theymentioned Jon Hammond, you know,
(07:39):
once or twice. But you don'treally need to know, you don't
need to have seen the othermovies recently to actually get
it.
Jacob Davidson (07:48):
It's pretty standalone,
James Jay Edwards (07:49):
yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's the word I
was looking for good, nice job.
So yeah, it, I mean, I was okaywith it. I it's about, I think
it's two hours and 14 minutes.
They could have shaved 20minutes off by just turning the
people into complete dinosaurfodder. You know, like, I it
(08:13):
didn't succeed. It at humanizingthe people the dinosaurs were
the heroes. To me, yeah,
Jacob Davidson (08:18):
I thought the arc with the family was pretty
compelling. But, yeah, no, IYeah, no. Like, I like the stuff
of the family, but, and yeah,like the little girl finding the
baby dinosaur, which felt verySpielberg, but yeah, the
mercenary stuff didn't quite hitfor me. So yeah, I'm kind of
with you on that. The
James Jay Edwards (08:35):
family's arc is kind of interesting, because
first, there's this lazy boyfrom the boyfriend of the oldest
daughter, who's just like, youthink he's a total prick, but
then he kind of redeems himselfin a few ways. And you're like,
Okay, this guy's not all bad.
So, yeah, the family arc was alittle more effective to me than
the mercenaries. But yeah, youknow, it's, you know, it's a
Jurassic Park movie. I
Jonathan Correia (08:57):
had fun. I finally caught up on a couple of
titles that are in theatersfinally watched 28 Years Later,
which was not expecting half ofthat. It was great like that
was, that was so Danny Boyle,just the editing, the the camera
work, I love that he they himand Alex Garland and everybody
(09:21):
took the opportunity to not justdeliver a oh, what would it look
like zombies? Like they werehaving a blast with just like
the editing and camerasequencing. I got very concerned
early on that Jody Cormier wasgoing to stay in that bed the
whole movie, which would havebeen a waste. Granted, while she
(09:42):
was in the bed, she screamedcunt like eight times. So like,
I was like, Maybe I'm okay withthis. Maybe I'm okay with her
saying the good but I love JodyCormier so much. I mean The Last
duel and Killing Eve. I mean fanfor life.
James Jay Edwards (09:56):
Did you see the bike riders?
Jonathan Correia (09:58):
You know, it's funny. You say. That in the
previous episode that it set upfor a rad sequel. But if
anything, that ending was givingAnna and the Apocalypse soldiers
of war. So
James Jay Edwards (10:09):
I mean the bike riders, as in the movie The
Bike Riders that. Jody Comer isin,
Jonathan Correia (10:13):
Oh, I thought you were talking about the bit
for the last episode. No, Ihaven't seen Bike Riders yet.
James Jay Edwards (10:19):
No, but I was gonna ask you, what do you think
of that ending? Where, where,like, I mean, do you see what I
mean, where they're gonna takeyou to some really exploitive
places, which is kind ofawesome.
Jonathan Correia (10:29):
No, I loved it. What was, what was his name?
Jimmy? Jimmy? Yeah, when Jimmyshows up, that's total like in
Anna and the apocalypse, whenthey start the one song about
killing zombies in that zombiemovie. I like, I just started
humming it because I'm like,they're giving, they're giving
it.
James Jay Edwards (10:45):
Also, it's so great because the kid's there
and he goes, you're almost outof error. Arrows, you mind if we
take this one?
Jacob Davidson (10:55):
Also, I love the book ending of the Teletubbies.
Jonathan Correia (10:58):
Yeah, that was, that was great. I will say
that was probably not my biggestcritique. But like, biggest
frustration is, and, like, I getit because they're, you know,
the characters only use arrows,like, for the entire thing, up
until Jimmy, the father and son,when they're out there. And I
get it because, you know,they're trying to stay away from
(11:20):
the rage virus, like all thatstuff. But like, no one figured
out how to use a blunt object atall on that fucking island like
that was very frustrating,especially since they kept
getting in that situation whereit's like, you're not even
taking out the arrows afteryou're using them, you're just
leaving them. Like,
James Jay Edwards (11:38):
yeah, but you gotta blunt objects splatter. I
mean, that's,
Jacob Davidson (11:43):
that's the and the arrows would be infected
with blood.
James Jay Edwards (11:47):
Yeah, yeah.
So, I mean, I get why you needto avoid all contact with bodily
fluids. So,
Jonathan Correia (11:54):
yeah, I get it. But also, there was just
that of just, like, just hit himwith a stick, just hit him with
a stick, but I get it, we alsowatched Final Destination
Bloodlines. That was a fundouble feature of doing those
two. I got to say, FinalDestination Bloodlines was
probably we've had a really goodrun of of having decent
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audiences at AMCs, and that onewas one of the fucking worst, I
mean, sitting right next to acouple who had to talk and react
to literally every I'm talking,like opening scene, like when
she's like, Oh, I'm just reallyhappy to be here with you, she'd
go, oh
Jacob Davidson (12:35):
no. Like,
James Jay Edwards (12:36):
the Did I just see that?
Jonathan Correia (12:36):
anytime it was just like, what? And then, like,
the boyfriend or husband, justevery, anytime something
happened, he like, Oh, wow. Hethrew that penny. Oh yeah, cuz,
because it's just like, we know,we just saw it, and she just
react. We heard her react to itvery loudly. So like, but
anyways, that's when I put in mymy Pixel buds. Noise cancelation
(12:59):
ear bud on this side that theyare on, and it helps. But other
than that, what a blast. Thatwas a really fun movie. There
was there were some definitesome of those acting choices
were definitely choices withsome of the people. But I had so
much fun with it. I love thatthey played with the audience
and expectations a lot. Therewas a lot of things where it was
(13:23):
like, Oh, the sequence ishappening, so that means that
that's going to be incorporated.
It kind of faked you out, orwe're having fun with, like,
just even the marketing, becauseone of the first things they did
was show the tattoo parlorscene, and it was just like, oh,
you released a whole kill sceneand then fake out it wasn't a
(13:43):
kill scene, and it just left meso confused. I Yeah, it was. It
was definitely a lot of fun. Ithink it's, you know, top three
Final Destination movies. My
Jacob Davidson (14:08):
And incorporating the music of Kelly
Clarkson? Oh yeah.
Jonathan Correia (14:12):
No, it was. It was a blast. And, yeah, that
made for a great double feature.
The Sky
Jacob Davidson (14:16):
needle is probably not sure if my number
one, but definitely toppremonition def sequences.
James Jay Edwards (14:23):
Speaking of double feature revisits, or
finally catching up to, I caughtup to a couple things we talked
about. Last episode I watchedPredator Killer of Killers.
Yeah, it went to Hulu. Oh, myGod. What a blast. So much fun.
And it's so weird because it'sanimated, but the stunt work,
it's choreography, exactly. Thefight choreography in this
(14:48):
animated movie was great, but,oh yeah, that was a lot of
Jonathan Correia (14:51):
fun. They definitely knew like we're doing
animated predators, so we got totake advantage of it. So there
are kills in that that couldthat that would not be able to
pull off. In, in live action.
And they're because they couldso
Jacob Davidson (15:03):
many decapitations,
James Jay Edwards (15:05):
even the people fighting the people,
like, like the Viking scene, orthe the ninja versus Samurai,
though, you know, you're like,this is, you know, I think one
of you said that it was acompany that does almost like
animated storyboarding forregular movie and and that's
what it felt like. I'm like, Ican totally see them doing this,
and then having a stuntchoreographer go, Okay, we'll
(15:26):
get our actors to do that. But,yeah, it that was cool. But
also, I caught up with on yourrecommendation, Correia The Ugly
Stepsister, yeah. And, oh mygosh, you first of all the scene
where you were talking aboutOpera, that was the scene that
got me, you know, and, and, andI was like, kind of squirming,
(15:48):
and I'm like, oh, but then whenit got to the scene you talked
about with the tapeworm, andthen when I got to that, I'm
like, because first I was like,Oh, this has to be the scene
that really got him. And then itgot to the tapeworm woman. I'm
like, Nope, this is the scene,yeah,
Jacob Davidson (16:06):
yeah, yeah.
That'll make you squirm.
James Jay Edwards (16:09):
Yeah. That movie something else.
Jonathan Correia (16:12):
Thank you to The Ugly Stepsister for letting
me realize that you could takecocaine to the eyeballs and at
work, I didn't realize thatthat, that that in the in the
opera scene, that that was kindof more of a squeamishness than,
than the than the sewing, almostdropping hints on what happened,
(16:33):
but like, yeah, it's, it's, itwas loved. Ugly Stepsister that
I might have to that might turninto my new Oh, hey, what do we
want to watch? Jay, I don'tknow. We want to watch something
grows.
Jacob Davidson (16:46):
Yeah, you see, now that's how you do a public
domain fairy tale horror movie,yo, yeah,
Jonathan Correia (16:51):
yeah. We need to go back to the grim fairy
tales more often and show it'spretty close to, like, they
didn't go that stray that farfrom the original material, and,
like, the fucked upness. That'swhat's beautiful about it.
What's
James Jay Edwards (17:05):
fucked up about it, I mean, it, what makes
it fucked up is it's from adifferent point of view. It's,
you know, it's, it's thestepsister's point of view on
it. So, yeah, I mean, becausethey're trying to compete with
the natural beauty ofCinderella,
Jonathan Correia (17:18):
and again, they didn't make anyone really
an antagonist, nor a pro tag,you know, like it was, it was
all just like, everyone hadpretty decent motivation for
what they do under circumstancesand what they were going
through. I like, I like, Iunderstood and like, no one was
villainized, really, and I likedhow they did incorporate the
(17:39):
kind of more magical aspects ofCinderella, what with the
midnight and showing up to theball, and how does no one
recognize her? And she's got alittle like, mask thing? That
was great. I yeah, they answereda lot of questions I didn't know
I had of like, how were yougoing to address this?
Jacob Davidson (17:55):
Let's see, in terms of new stuff, on my end,
not quite horror, but I didwatch that new animated movie,
KPop Demon Hunters. And boy, didit at a lot of demons and k pop.
So it's not just a clever name,yeah, yeah, no. It was a lot of
fun. It definitely had a lot ofinfluence from, like, kind of
magical girl anime, like SailorMoon. And also, yeah, k pop, and
(18:19):
it has an amazing soundtrack.
Like, I don't really listen to kpop so much, but it really
hooked me. It's very catchy, andmuch like Predator hunter of
hunters, it has a lot of reallycool fight choreography, because
it's basically about this k poptrio who are secretly demon
hunters in South Korea, and theyfight they perform concerts by
night, and fight demons by day,that type of thing. And it's
(18:43):
just really funny to me,because, like, their main enemy
in the movie is, like the demonsdecide to strike back by like, a
few of them form a demon boyband, which just kind of makes
me think about back in the 90swhen, you know, like the
Evangelicals would say thatNSYNC and Backstreet Boys were
the tools of the devil. So it'slike that, yeah, it says kind of
(19:04):
like that, because, like, thedemon boy band is like, making a
plan to, like, make their fanbase stronger so they can steal
the souls of their fans. And,yeah, knows it was a lot of fun.
I really dug it.
James Jay Edwards (19:17):
A demon boy band that makes me think of the
Pick of Destiny on the devil. Ilove metal. Yeah, it
Jacob Davidson (19:26):
turns out heavy metal wasn't demonic. It was boy
bands. It was boy bands, whichwas the devil's music. Check
this riff. It's fucking tasty.
Jonathan Correia (19:37):
I'll never forget the day when I was
watching pick a destiny, and mymom came in, and she came in
right at the part where they gofuck, and the devil goes, Yes,
you are fucked, and my talk, youwill suck. And she said, What
are you watching? And I'm like,tenacious. D, yeah,
Jacob Davidson (19:58):
shit. Who? Who was the devil in that of Dave
Grohl? Dave Grohl, right? Yeah,yeah. No, they got Dave girl to
say a lot of lewd shit, which isgreat, yeah. But yeah. K Pop,
demon hunters, I recommended,speaking
James Jay Edwards (20:12):
of lewd shit, I tell you, I'm, I'm a little
addicted to these Train Wreckdocumentaries on Netflix. The
new one is Poop Cruise. Okay,you probably remember the news
story of this. It was a cruiseship that was sailing between
Mexico and the it was sailingacross the Gulf of Mexico. Yes,
(20:33):
the Gulf of Mexico deal with it.
And there was a fire in theengine room, and so it lost
power. And when it loses power,nothing can can be the toilets
don't even flush, but like,there's no air conditioning,
there's, you know, everything isout on the ship. So these poor
people, you know, they're livingin filth. They're living in Sue
(20:55):
and this, they talk topassengers, they talk to the
captain, they talk to one of thechefs and and the captain thinks
that, you know, they're gonnasolve it. They're like, Okay,
well, you know, if you have togo number one, just pee in the
shower. No problem. If you haveto go number two, we're gonna
just, we're gonna distributethese red biohazard bags go in
(21:17):
there. And they talked about thepastors he goes, my goal became
to not use one of the red packs.
But at then the winds startblowing. So they're, they're
powerless. So the wind startedblowing, so they're, they sent
out tug boats to pull them intoport, in somewhere, in like
Alabama or something. And thewinds blew, so they had to pull
(21:40):
them back to Mexico. Sobasically, it turned into,
instead of their them being outthere for two days, they were
out there for like, six so and,and this one poor guy's like,
oh, yeah, I'm gonna have to usethe red bags.
Jonathan Correia (21:53):
There's not enough red bags for six days.
But
James Jay Edwards (21:56):
then also they were talking about, um,
because the refrigeration wasdown. They opened the bars. It's
like, no. That is the dumbestthing to do when you don't have
toilets. And then, of course, ofcourse, the showers start
backing up because people arepeeing in them, and so the decks
are flooding with just sewageand food. Oh, my god, yeah,
(22:19):
it's, Oh, terrible, terrible.
And
Jacob Davidson (22:22):
this is why I refuse to take a
Jonathan Correia (22:24):
cruise. I didn't even need this to be a
reason to not take a cruise. Ihave, I have been very anti
cruise for some time. I've beenon cruises and had fun or
whatnot, but, like, as an adult,I'm like, I feel like there's a
better use of my money than acruise.
James Jay Edwards (22:39):
You know, that's, I'm not necessarily anti
cruise, but I just don't havethe money, you know, I, I would
love to take one of those. What?
What do they call the one ofthe, the cruises where, like,
all the 80s heavy metal bandsplay, oh, they call it
Jonathan Correia (22:55):
the, I, my sister works on the on it. It's,
like, the tons of metal cruiseor something? Yeah,
James Jay Edwards (23:02):
yeah. I don't remember what they're called,
but those ones when I always seeon social media, you know, they,
I mean, they have bands that Ilove on these cruises, and that
would probably be fun. Butagain, you know, who's got that
kind of money to use on acruise?
Jonathan Correia (23:16):
I'll admit, you know, I've seen
advertisements for, like, a StarTrek themed cruise, and I'm
like, you know, like somethingwhere it's like, if everyone on
the ship is, like, on the samelevel for, like, a love for
something, but like, just arandom cruise with a bunch of
Rando tourists, like,
Jacob Davidson (23:33):
yeah, yeah, no, it needs a stick, yeah.
James Jay Edwards (23:35):
Have either you guys see that we're a little
late to this party, or at leastI am. We guys, seen The Woman in
the Yard? Yes,
Jonathan Correia (23:42):
I saw it in theaters.
James Jay Edwards (23:44):
Oh, okay, I saw it because it is now on. I
don't know. One of the things Ido Peacock, maybe it's on one of
the, yeah, it's on one of thethings I subscribed. I subscribe
to all of those. What do youthink of The Woman in the Yard?
Jonathan Correia (23:58):
I liked a lot of it. I think
James Jay Edwards (24:02):
it sounds like we're on the same page. I
was gonna say it didn'tcompletely work for me, but when
it did work, it worked flawless.
I love the spooky stuff and allthat. But narratively, there are
some parts that didn't quiteclick, but the spooky stuff was
super effective for me.
Jonathan Correia (24:22):
I think it was for me, at least a victim of
advertising, where theadvertising may set up an
expectation or, of like, whattype of movie it is that it
wasn't similar to another moviewe'll discuss a little bit
later. And and so, like I waskind of going in thinking it was
(24:44):
going to be more of like aSouthern Gothic Candy Man type
deal, and and it wasn't. And Ithink it took me a bit to get
over that. And then once I didget over it, I loved it, like I
loved what was going on. Becauseby that point. In the movie,
it's like, oh, this is what'shappening. These are the rules.
This is what's okay. I get itnow, and like, I was able to,
(25:06):
like, fully get into it. But Ithink just like, having that,
like, kind of like bit in themiddle where I'm like, Wait, is
this not what I was what I wasgoing in for, it did ruin it.
But it was definitely, like a itwas a distraction for me. But I
still really liked, I thought,what a lot of what they did,
especially like that third act,I thought was really well done.
(25:26):
It was just kind of like that,like, middle ground of like,
going from like this greatopening, of like, what's
happening, to like that thirdact, it's really solid. And the
performances I really enjoyed,like, they were really good.
There's
James Jay Edwards (25:43):
a lot of what's happening in that movie.
I mean, it is fun because itlets you figure things out for
yourself. You know, you have todo a lot of thinking as a
viewer, which is cool. You know,they don't just spoon feed stuff
to you. So yeah. But yeah, itis, uh, yeah, I like, like, I
said it narratively, it didn'tcompletely work for me, um, but
(26:05):
atmospherically, and just theoverall vibe of it totally did.
And when you know it, I didn'tsee it in the theater, but I
imagine there would have beensome good scares in a theater,
because some of it was just socreepy that I was like, God, if
I wasn't just sitting here on mycouch with my dogs. This would
probably raise some, you know,raise some goose bumps.
Jonathan Correia (26:26):
Yeah, it's definitely one that I would like
to revisit, you know, becausesometimes you go into movies
with an expectation, and thatkind of hinders your experience
a bit. And so it takes me, like,a second or a second viewing to
kind of like, really appreciatewhat it is. In fact, actually, I
(26:46):
did that recently with The Hunt.
Do you guys remember that movie?
James Jay Edwards (26:51):
Yeah, I felt so bad for Craig Zobel with The
Hunt, because it got delayedbecause of COVID, and then it
got delayed because,
Jacob Davidson (27:03):
or it got delayed because it got delayed
because of Trump,
James Jay Edwards (27:06):
yeah, yeah, it got delayed, yeah, that's,
that's what it was like,
Jacob Davidson (27:10):
it came out because it came out, and then
COVID hit, like, right aroundthe time
James Jay Edwards (27:14):
again, that's what is. It got it got delayed
because people were afraid thatmaggots were going to shoot up
the theaters. Yeah? And then,and then it came out. Yeah,
you're right. It came out rightas COVID was hitting. So, yeah,
I felt bad for that, but yeah,
Jonathan Correia (27:29):
which I because I just, it was just one
of those days where I was like,I need a little bit of a
comfort. And so I need to seeBetty Gilpin just give the
greatest reactions, becauseshe's such a great character
actor, like, just so good. Andin this movie, I think, I don't
know what direction she wasgiven, but I feel like she was
(27:51):
just given, like, go for it.
Just go for it, because she did.
And like, there's no moment inthat movie where she doesn't
give the absolute best reactionto what's happening and and
it's, she's almost like a BugsBunny type character in it.
It's, it's, it's, she's so goodin that movie. And I don't know
(28:12):
if that movie would have workedwithout her, but if you go on
Letterboxd and other any in thereviews of the movie at the
time, everyone was is kind ofgoing, what's the politics of
this movie? What's the politicsof this movie? Because you have
ultra rich Neo liberals huntingpoor right wing folks for sport,
(28:33):
which no one looks good. Itcritiques both sides on that
politically. And ultimately, Idon't think the movie was trying
to beat what is is political. Ithink it's a, it's a it's about
class. It's about classism. Andultimately, I mean, isn't that
what all man hunting peoplemovies are about is about class?
(28:56):
Is about when you get to thepoint where you're so rich that
you can just hunt people andessentially not an operate like
you, like, there's noconsequences for it. Like,
that's what it comes down to. SoI definitely walked away in
revisiting it five years laterwith a with a greater
appreciation for the movie. It'sstill really funny. I do love
the fake outs. Like, in the verybeginning, you have Emma Roberts
(29:19):
and the cameras focusing on her.
And then, yeah, boom. She'slike, first get taken out
unceremoniously, and then youfollow another person, and it's
like, Oh, is there gonna be alove story here? And then
they're taking outunceremoniously. And then you're
like, oh,
Jacob Davidson (29:31):
Baron Holt just kind of takes the lead for a
minute there. Yeah, yeah. And
Jonathan Correia (29:35):
then, oh, what's his what's his face? Who
plays Sal Saperstein in in TheStudio.
Jacob Davidson (29:42):
That's his name.
Ike Baron holds, oh
Jonathan Correia (29:43):
yes, i Yeah. I Baron holds, I mean, it
definitely had more fun becauseof the studio and going. Sal
Saperstein, thank you. Thankyou. Sal Saperstein, yeah, and
the fake outs, but yeah,definitely had a lot more fun
with it than I did. You know,five years
Jacob Davidson (30:00):
ago, oh man.
Also, I was at the pre screeningat the Egyptian theater with the
directors there. And, yeah, no,again, it's just this is kind of
unlocked the memory for me,because, as a because, like,
this was just as COVID was aboutto happen. So like, they were
throwing toilet paper into theaudiences.
Jonathan Correia (30:15):
What a time, what a time. Oh
Jacob Davidson (30:19):
boy, what a time. Yeah.
James Jay Edwards (30:21):
Well, the other thing that has come out
this week that is going to kindof transition us into our topic
is Megan 2.0 or my three gun 2.0have we all seen this? Oh, yeah,
I have it. What do you guysthink? I thought
Jacob Davidson (30:35):
it was pretty good. I mean, you know,
definitely taking a swing,changing it from, you know, the
kind of like, in my review, Isaid, you know, they went from
Child's Play to Ghost in theShell, because, yeah, it's uh,
horror to action. Uh, cyber,like more of a cyberpunk edge
this time around. Um, yeah, no,I thought it was an interesting
(30:55):
way to go about it. Uh, still,plenty of people dying, of
course. And you know, you gotM3GAN front, front and center
and, um, yeah, if I was allright,
James Jay Edwards (31:05):
my review, I said that it went from
Terminator to Terminator 2,because not only did it kind of
go from horror to more of likean action kind of a thing, but
also you got the villain fromthe first movie coming back as
The hero of the second, youknow, to save the humans. So
there it works on a couple waysin that, but yeah, it Megan.
(31:28):
Here's the funny thing. This isa little side note my screening
of of M3GAN 2.0 they evacuatedthe theater in the middle of it.
We it was right in the middle ofit, and they came into the
theater and they said, you know,we have an incident. We have to
evacuate. And, you know, so. AndI was actually really impressed.
(31:48):
It was an AMC, and with both, Iwas impressed with both the
theater workers and thecustomers, because there were 18
screens in this theater, andeverybody was super orderly, you
know, no push and shoving,trampling or anything. Everybody
just evacuated, and the firedepartment showed up, and I
never did find out why. But thefunny thing is, it was right
(32:09):
about when it was a little bitafter, but you realize that
Amelia, the evil Megan, the evilAI, is taking over the clouds,
so she's able to shut downdifferent parts of the country,
and then all of a sudden we hadto evacuate theater. So I
thought it was an ARG gonecrazy, but and they invited us
(32:30):
back the next night to screen,although then I had to watch the
first half again. And honestly,M3GAN 2.0 I wasn't a big fan of
as a movie. I think it played alittle too fast and loose with
with genre, but we'll get we'llget into that. I
Jonathan Correia (32:47):
mean, you guys have heard me the last few
months running around, goingguys, they made a cunty t2 I was
very excited, and I had a lot offun in the screening. And I
think I walked out notremembering a whole lot. There's
a lot of exposition happening,of explaining, and I do think
(33:12):
that it gets a little boggeddown with what it's trying to
say about AI. Because I think atthe end of the day, it was
trying to say something aboutAI, but not say something about
AI. It was, it was very weirdmessaging, which is weird
because they were expositioninga lot about AI regulation and
(33:33):
stuff.
James Jay Edwards (33:34):
It's funny because I explained to someone,
when I was explaining to themwhen the when the theater is
evacuated, I said it was rightwhen Megan was doing her Bond
villain speech, which is, whichis what she's explaining to
Gemma and Katie, that she'salways been there watching over
them, and it is like a Bondvillain speech. So it's funny,
(33:54):
you say that there's a lot ofexposition, because there
totally is, and the expositionis all spoken like that too. No.
So, yeah,
Jonathan Correia (34:01):
I love the action. I love that the main
villain at the end goes fullZuckerberg and how he carries
himself, and everything that wasthat was great. There was a lot
of stuff I liked in it. I dothink it's a victim of two
things. I think it's, it'sadvertising.
Jacob Davidson (34:22):
The marketing was a problem.
Jonathan Correia (34:23):
The marketing made it seem like and that's not
to say that Megan isn't cuntyand that there wasn't cunty
moments in the movie, but itwasn't that level of camp the
whole movie. There were momentsof it. And I do think that the
advertising was trying to leaninto that harder, and they used
a lot of scenes that weren't inthe movie with it, not not
calling false advertising. But Idid find that a little
(34:45):
interesting, that there were,like, lines of dialog or scenes
that were in the trailer thatweren't in the movie. And it, I
think it's also, I think ithindered itself in trying to be
too broad appeal, because, like.
You could tell they were tryingto go for that camp at moments,
but then they would quickly,like, veer away from it. And,
you know, the P, also, PG 13rating with a horror movie like
(35:11):
that, kind of feels like,already they're trying to go
more appeal. So I think it wasjust kind of like a level of,
like, we don't know how hard togo on things with that. That
means I thought it was stillpretty solid. I just think it
was quite long for what it forwhat it was. And I loved Amelia,
(35:31):
though I thought she was great.
She was serving the entire time.
How
James Jay Edwards (35:38):
long did it take you to realize that wasn't
Elizabeth Olsen
Jonathan Correia (35:41):
pretty quickly, because she was in
Ahsoka,
James Jay Edwards (35:45):
yeah, but no, it was funny because we were the
whole time, like when we werediscussing it during the
evacuation, before we realizedthat they weren't going to let
us back in. We were like, Oh,was that? Was it? Was it? And
then we finally looked up onIMDb. We're like, no, that's not
but even the actress looks likeElizabeth, yeah, my issue with
Amelia is she was a little tooconvincing as a as as a
(36:11):
humanoid. She was a little bitof that Iris from Companion, oh,
she with Megan. There's a littlebit of that uncanny valley,
because it still looks like adoll that acts like, you know,
like a human, but Amelialiterally would pass for a
human. So it, it kind of takesthe creep factor out, you know,
(36:32):
you've just got a heartlesskiller, you know. And
Jonathan Correia (36:35):
that came out in the performance, I think the
uncanniness, because there weretimes where she was doing stuff
like when Jeremy Clement wastrying to woo her woo he's
wooing her for the flight of theConcords reference, but there
was like, some really weird,uncanny, just like behavior with
(36:58):
like the voice she was using, orwhen he's When he's when she's
trying to scan his eyes whileshe's kissing, but she's giving
nothing
James Jay Edwards (37:04):
like, and her eyes are open, waiting for him
to open
Jonathan Correia (37:08):
his eyes and like, her mouth, not just her
entire face, just stiff, justwide eyed while he's, like,
making out on her eyes. It'screepy. And, like I said,
there's a lot of really funmoments. I just think there's,
there was just like, a lot oflike, I also think it suffered
from making Amelia and Megan toopowerful, like, too strong,
(37:29):
like, all of a sudden it's like,Wait, they're tapping into
everything. Wait, they could dothat like it. They went from
like being kind of like a localproblem to suddenly, like in
absolute god mode while tryingto take on ai, ai God, it's, it
was just like, I think theymight have made him a bit too
powerful, which, you know, Istill, I'd still like to see a
(37:54):
3.0
James Jay Edwards (37:55):
that comes with the power of of AI itself.
Because, you know, like, like,he was demonstrating, you know,
he, he's, at one point, thegermane client Clement
character, just to show off, heturns off all the lights in the
city, and then, oops, and thenhe turns him back on, because he
can, you know, with his cloudserver, yeah. So, I think that
(38:19):
part that is kind of like, oh,how much power does, how much
power is in the cloud, you know?
So,
Jacob Davidson (38:25):
yeah, there was a lot of kind of shotgun blast
tech industry criticism andsatire, kind of throughout,
James Jay Edwards (38:32):
which is going to take us on to our
topic, which is movies that haveswitched genre for the sequel
and, you know, like M3GAN 2.0 Ithink the obvious one I'm going
to bring up first, and this is agood example of it, is Alien,
alien. The first one isbasically a horror slasher
movie. And all of the ones afterthat, except maybe Prometheus,
(38:57):
but all of them became likeaction movies. Um, so that's
that. That's kind of theblueprint for what we've got
here. What other ones can youguys think of? We already kind
of mentioned Terminator, whichis kind of the same deal. The
first one's kind of a slasher.
And then T2 became just sciencefiction, Action. What else we
got?
Jonathan Correia (39:15):
Oh, the first Terminator was definitely
gritty. 880s LA, slasher, lowbudget to suddenly this, you
know, mega budget actionextravaganza. That was a that
was a huge shift.
Jacob Davidson (39:30):
It was especially because at that time,
you know, just it was so mindblowing that Arnold, who was the
bad guy in the originalTerminator, shows up, and this
time he's the good guy.
Jonathan Correia (39:41):
It's such a great scene, yeah,
Jacob Davidson (39:43):
but in terms of genre shift stuffs, the example
that I go to immediately wouldbe Army of Darkness the second
Evil Dead sequel. Because youknow, first the Evil Dead, which
is a bloody gory and over thetop cabin the woods,
supernatural possession movie,then you got Evil Dead 2 which
gets a little wackier. Orslapstick, and with still ample
gore and Army of Darkness isstraight up the swords and
(40:07):
sandals fantasy action adventuremovie. It's a Ash dropped into
Jason and The Argonauts, likethe skeletons were even inspired
by
Jonathan Correia (40:18):
that absolutely. I mean, I mean, it's
not horror, but my brain wantsto jump to Magic Mike XXL,
because, because you go fromlike a very serious drama to a
buddy road movie, the secondone, and then I don't know what
the fuck happened with the thirdone, but we don't talk about my
disappointment with that, but itto stay within genre. I mean,
(40:38):
definitely, you know, I would, Iwould mention Gremlins to the
new batch, the new batch, andit's not as hard of a of a genre
shift. The first one isdefinitely like a Christmas
horror, kind of fantasy, youknow, with with with a bunch of
comedy in it. But the second onegoes full Looney Tunes cartoon
(41:03):
over the top, it is thedefinition of going bigger with
your sequel on like every levelwith it, and making fun of the
first film and and doing aslight shift to genre, and
really just taking what made thefirst movie work and going all
right, Cool. How do we do thattimes 10 and with like, the
(41:25):
absolute insanity. I mean, ohgod, I love Gremlins too. So
much.
Jacob Davidson (41:29):
The musical sequence alone, good God. Just
Jonathan Correia (41:33):
you pick any moment from that movie, and it's
God Mode. Joe Dante and CO werein god mode when it came to the
New Batch
James Jay Edwards (41:42):
with, you know, speaking of, like, of, uh,
going from simple to turning itup to 10. There's two that I
think of when I think of that.
And one is The Blair WitchProject to Blair Witch two. And
also Cloverfield to 10,Cloverfield Lane. Because those
were both. They both kind ofwent from that found footage
schlock to more big budget andactual traditional movies. And
at least in the case of BlairWitch, it went to like a self
(42:05):
referential, you know, kind ofalmost parodying itself.
Jacob Davidson (42:11):
And conversely, then you got a movie like
Ghoulies, which, you know, thefirst two Ghoulies are basically
the same with, like the littleghoulies unleashed in a haunted
house and then a sideshowcarnival just going around
killing people and getting tohijinks. But then you got what I
believe to be the peak of thefranchise, with Ghoulies 3:
(42:33):
Ghoulies Go to College, wherethe Ghoulies go to college, and
it's basically Ghoulies, but afrat comedy like Animal House
and with, yeah, it's kind oflike the Gremlins 2, of the
franchise, because you got theGhoulies doing more slaps
against and also, in this one,they can talk. And one of them
is even voiced by Americasweetheart Richard Kind Oh,
Jonathan Correia (42:54):
yeah. Well, if you're going, if we're going to
continue with the little,little, little mayhem guy
buddies, genre, I think that'swhat that genre is called,
little guy buddies. Genre.
Little guys can't forgetMunchies to Munchie, because
munchies started it on the firstthat first movie was very much
so in that like horror comedywith, you know, bunch of little
(43:16):
guys causing mayhem, type deal,genre. And then the sequel,
munchie is full on, like, 90s,cool, weird guy on a skateboard
coming in to muck things likevery cat in the Hattie.
Jacob Davidson (43:31):
Dom DeLuise, yeah.
Jonathan Correia (43:33):
So any chance to bring up the Munchies
franchise, like, gotta take it
James Jay Edwards (43:38):
to kind of go away from traditional horror. I
think that Rambo and the FirstBlood to rant to Rambo was a
dramatic shift, because firstblood was almost like a drama
about about PTSD, you know, andit absolutely was yeah and yeah
(43:58):
and, you know, this soldierwho's dealing with his past. And
then the rest of the RAMBOmovies are just complete shoot
them ups in and blood baths.
Jonathan Correia (44:07):
I mean, I think the most indicative of,
like, the complete shift in toneand almost drawn because it is,
it is a genre jump from like adrama with, like a bit of action
to a full on, you know, 80saction film with part two is the
kill count, because in Oh yeah,in first blood, he accidentally
(44:28):
kills one person. Yeah, exactly.
And First Blood Part Two, Imean, it's dozens, and by the
time you get to Rambo four,it's, it's in the hundreds. But
like, oh yeah, does he have ahigher kill count than, like, a
Slasher killer, I think at thispoint
James Jay Edwards (44:41):
probably he probably does, yeah,
Jacob Davidson (44:44):
and as though, bring it back to horror, it's
funny because there was almostkind of a Rambo horror movie,
because they were, like, tryingto make that Rambo movie where
Rambo fights a werewolf, becausepredator was a huge success. So
they were trying to ape off ofthat. Yeah,
Jonathan Correia (44:58):
I also heard there was like an Alien one,
two, for a little bit before,before Rambo four or so there
was, like a Rambo versus alien.
It might have been like a rumor,probably, but because, like,
remember when they said theywere going to remake Evil Dead
with Ashton Kutcher for amoment? What? Yeah, I remember
that
Jacob Davidson (45:19):
rumor, and back on Joe Dante and unmade movies
like that. Yeah. He was evenposting the other day about how
he almost did, uh, JAWS, threepeople zero, which would have
been a National Lampoon Jawsmovie about them trying to make
a sequel to jaws and the SharkEating everybody in the in the
crew made, trying to make thenew Jaws movie.
Jonathan Correia (45:36):
Yeah. Do you guys think, uh, jumping genres
counts for Texas ChainsawMassacre,
James Jay Edwards (45:42):
yes, yeah, absolutely. Oh yeah, it
absolutely does. Because eventhough, yeah, even though both
one and two are just flat outhorror movies, the second one is
the first one almost feels likea documentary, because it's so
raw, and the second one is morepolished, and there's more
almost like evil, dead kind ofcomedy to it. So, yeah,
Jacob Davidson (46:03):
like, much more splat stick.
Jonathan Correia (46:04):
I asked that because Toby Hooper has gone on
the record to say the reason whythey went so over the top with
two is a they got more budget.
But also that he wasdisappointed no one saw the
first one as a comedy like hedid. So sense of humor, yeah. So
he was like, All right, cool.
I'm gonna make this as obviousas a comedy as possible, which
is why you have the opening withleather face with the biggest
(46:26):
chainsaw ever swinging at some80s yuppies to Oingo Boingos, No
one lives forever. Which top 10sequences?
James Jay Edwards (46:35):
What do you guys think? Do you think Saw
counts? Because the first saw isalmost like just a just a
psychological almost like apsychological thriller, although
it's got a little bit of thattorture porn stuff. But then the
Saws get progressively moreridiculous. So is it? Do you
think it's a slow enough changethat? Well,
Jacob Davidson (46:55):
yeah, no, actually, it's funny. You
mentioned that, because I've gota friend who's a massive fan of
Saw, and she and she says eventhat one of the things she loves
about the franchise is becauseit starts off like, Yeah, you
said the psychological thriller,and it turns into a horror soap
opera, because there's all theplot lines and, you know, like
character backstories andconnections and plot twists. So
(47:15):
it is kind of the horror Days ofOur Lives with, like, all
because there was so manyretcons and they trying to keep
the story going? So, yeah, Imean, if you look at it that
way,
James Jay Edwards (47:24):
it might have been a slow enough it wasn't
really on a dime. It just kindof happened over the course of
the, what 11 movies now, 1010,yeah, it happens over the course
of the of the 10 movies thatthat that happened, I don't
think, I mean, if it just wentfrom saw one to saw x, then it
would have been more obvious.
But
Jonathan Correia (47:46):
well, it's like the Fast and the Furious
franchise. They did a similartrajectory where, like the first
one was, you know, Point Break,but with street cars, and then
it slowly turned into, I wouldalso say, the most expensive
soap opera franchise of all timebecause the retcons, the
flashbacks, the you had a secretchild, yes, and it was kidnapped
(48:08):
by my secret brother. I mean,come on, those fast movies are
soap operas, but with bigexplosions and vroom vrooms.
James Jay Edwards (48:15):
All right, cool. Well, yeah, what? What did
we miss on movies that took ahard left turn on their sequels.
Let us know. And yeah, look atthis. We did an episode after
two weeks. We're back.
Jacob Davidson (48:31):
Before we go. I do have an announcement to make.
Okay? I will be hosting ascreening with the HellRaisers
Film Club at Culver City thenight of Wednesday the 16th, and
I'm hosting a mystery VHS doublefeature,
James Jay Edwards (48:43):
July, 16.
July 16,
Jonathan Correia (48:45):
yeah, oh yeah,
James Jay Edwards (48:46):
cool. All right. Well, everybody go to
that. We'll, we'll post on oursocials. More detail about that.
Thank you absolutely. And yeah,let's get out of here. So our
artwork is by Chris Fisher, sogo check him out, and our theme
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us on all the socials, at@EyeOnHorror, or at
(49:09):
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couple of weeks. So for me,James, Jay Edwards, I'm
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