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James Jay Edwards (00:24):
Welcome to Eye On Horror, the official
podcast of iHorror.com. This isEpisode 107, otherwise known as
season six, Episode Eight. I'myour host James Jay Edwards and
with me as always is your otherhost Jacob Davison, how you
doing, Jacob?

Jacob Davidson (00:38):
I'm doing well just My feet are killing me
because I went to MonsterPaloozathis weekend. So I did a whole
lot of con walking. And I'll getmore into the details on that in
a bit

yeah, I want to hear about monster palooza.
But first let's let people knowthat your other other host is
with us as well. Jon Correia,how you doing Correia.

Jonathan Correia (00:58):
I just beat my face is burned to shit. I think
I think my lips are sunburned atthis point. But my nose took the
brunt of it. As you guys cansee. Well, the audience can't
see because there's a podcast.
But ya know, spent the weekendon a secluded island with no
water, but filled with 1000s ofseagulls. So you know, I was
really living The Birds. And itwas funny. The park ranger came

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by our campsite. We had fivenesting gulls in her thing. And
she said that they don't likelike they're more aggressive
towards the Rangers because Ithink they see the uniforms more
often. And she was wearinggreen. And I didn't realize it
but I was wearing a dinosaurmountain tees long sleeve shirt,
which was similar coloring andyeah, do they were like, vicious
towards me, Shat on me andstuff. But the irony is when she

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said that and they're like,Yeah, I don't think the
seagullsl is like authority. AndI was like hell yeah. Yeah,
gulls. Fuck the establishmentdown with the patriarchy and
matriarchy equal opportunityanarchism, you know, until I was
at the brunt of it. But no, itwas a good weekend I'm just very
sunburned

not a whole lot to come out since last time
we talk one thing that has comeout that I'm curious to see if
you guys have seen it either youguys watch Influencer on Shudder

No, not yet.

It kind of fits into the island thing that
you're talking about Correiabecause it's about a an
influencer an Instagraminfluencer, who is traveling the
globe, you know, she's likeglobe trotting, and she meets
this other girl who I don't wantto get too spoilery but she
meets this other girl who takesher places. And it's hate that

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her social media takes you know,it takes center stage in places
and you know, it's it's a it's aride. It's a it's a fun little I
thought it was pretty inventivefor what the genre usually does
with social media. So it waskind of cool. It's on Shudder,
influencer. I figured you guyshad seen it because it's kind of
been there have been kind of alot of like ads for it and

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stuff. So

yeah, no, I mean, it's been on the front
page for Shudder. I just haven'tgotten the chance to see it. And
yeah, I've been hearing goodthings. So I definitely have it
on my watch list.

Yeah, it's worth watching.

Is the message never go to a second location?

That is one of the of the morals that you
could that you could pull fromit. Yeah.

Never go to a second location. Yeah, I haven't
seen a lot of movies recently.
But we have been catching up onTV. We finally finished season
two of Sweet Tooth. Have youguys been watching that show on
Netflix at all?

I watched season one. I haven't gotten around to
Season Two yet. But I do want tofinish that. I had

to do a rewatch of the first season
because I couldn't remembermuch. And I was very surprised
on how much I did rememberbecause it's been two years but
yes, sweet tooth is very good.
It's post apocalyptic where mostof the world is taken out by
this disease. But it also turnsout has turned newborns into
hybrids. So there's a lot ofkids that are like half human
like half skunk you follow thisone kid named Gus who's half

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human half deer. And it's youknow, a lot of like, figuring
out like the new world but alsolike how it happened and it's
really good. Check out sweettooth it's phenomenal. We also
finished yellow jackets. Did youguys

Yeah, I finished season two.

I'm halfway through I I made the mistake of
watching it on demand on mycable system instead of going to
Showtime Anytime. And they areliterally weeks behind. They
only have they have episodes onethrough four and six up on
demand. What it's like yeah,they skipped five and they and
they're behind by like fourweeks anyway. I am only about

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halfway through it. So nospoilers but is it good?

Absolutely no spoilers. And again, we've
talked about the show on theshow before about how much we'd
love it. Season two is what Ithought I was getting into with
Season One.

Already started that way you see you're
seeing more of yeah it's crashedand you get to see the
cannibalism aspect which is youhorrifying

Oh, Oh sweetie you don't know

I probably don't I've yeah but it's

it's so good it is and you know it Season Two
made me appreciate season oneeven more because you know
thinking going into the showthat there was going to be so
much of that weirdness so muchof that cannibalism and then
season one was like a build upto it laying down the bricks for
it and then season two reallyseized it it's absolutely
phenomenal the casting with thecasting with season one is

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phenomenal. Season two takes itup a couple of notches because
the actors they got to playadults, Van and Lottie are just
absolute perfection

is Van the goalie?

The redhead,

the goalie who had her face her face ripped
up by the wolves. Yeah, she isthe girl from Six Feet Under.

Yeah, the adult.

I didnt even think about that.

That is that's brilliant casting when
they first introduced her I'mlike, oh, yeah, that's that's
perfect casting for that role.
Yeah.

And she and she owns a video store I was
crushing reall hard.

LGBTQ friendly video store. Yes. Yeah.

Oh, man.
That's like one way to instantlysteal my heart is be a lesbian
that owns a video store. Butit's, it's so good. And also
Elijah Wood is just, he is justso perfect for pairing up with
Christina Ricci.

Yeah, they have such chemistry. It's I was
gonna say not just him alone,but pairing him with Christina
Ricci is so great.

And again, avoiding spoilers. I just have
to say like when I say that he'sperfect for the show. And he's
perfect to be like matched withher. It's an understatement. It
is. Yeah, Yellow Jackets justcontinues to be so fucking good.
I can't recommend that showenough.

Yeah, no, it's the second season has been
great. And I cannot wait forseason three like it. Like I'm
just I'm on pins and needles iswaiting to see what happens
next.

Well, there's a bonus episode because season
two was only nine episodes. Sothere is going to be an episode
that comes out between seasonsthey just announced. So

I also caught up to just to kind of piggyback
on last episode, I caught upwith The Boogeyman that Oh, I
thought it was great. I thoughtit was awesome. It's weird
because it if you read theoriginal Stephen King short
story, the short story is prettymuch not even the first act it's
like the first half of the firstact of the movie. The short

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story is just like a guy goingto see a psychiatrist telling
him about this thing that killedhis kids. And the movie uses
that as a jumping off point toto venture into just all this
Kinder trauma. You know, all ofthis, you know, boogeyman in the
closet stuff, but I thought itwas I thought it was brilliant.
It's there use Rob savages useof light and darkness. Like

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because the boogey man has tostay in the dark. You know, he
doesn't he can't get you ifyou're in the light. So they
have all these different lightsources that you know everything
from Christmas lights to likevideo games screens they're
using to ward off. Yeah, Ithought it was and it has a lot
of that same suspense that yougot from like, Host, you know,
he builds the suspense andthere's not a lot of, there's

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not a lot of like, there are nocheap jump scares. And there
aren't even a lot of jumpscaresit's mostly just like you're
biting your nails the wholetime. I thought it was great, ya

know, that I thought it was very effective.
And, ya know, just the creaturedesign the boogeyman particular
where I thought was veryimpressive because, you know,
boogeyman is such an ambiguousentity. You can do so many
different ways about it. Butyeah, without without spoiling
it, I thought that it turned outreally fucking creepy.

That's really great to hear. Because, as you
guys know, Host and Dashcam werereally my vibe. So I'm really
looking forward to likesomething completely different
from him. And I'm happy to hearthat like a lot of people were
very happy with that adaptationbecause King adaptations can go
hot or cold very quickly. Sothat's awesome that that was so

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well liked

it's much more ambitious than Host and
Dashcam it's not screen or inair quotes. So it's so it's not
using you know, like thetechnology that Host and Dashcam
did. You can tell it's got abigger budget. It's got it
actually speaking toYellowjackets. The older
daughter is Nat fromYellowjackets the younger NAT Oh

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Right, right right and theyounger daughter is Princess
Leia from Obi Wan Kenobi.

So it was so good in that it

she She's good in the boogeyman, too. She
that she's got a bright futurein front of her that little girl
is good.

You got me hyped and so many people shat on
Obi Wan and, and Book of Fettbut I I can't help but love
though.

She knows. I mean Obi Wan I was kind of
lukewarm on Book of Fett I likedthough. Which is weird because I
think Boba Fett is The mostuseless character in the entire
original trilogy.

But he looks so cool

that sometimes it's all you need.

Yeah, that's why they had their creative
mythology around him. And I havenot been on board with that
mythology until Book a Boba Fettbecause they may I don't know,
they, they, they were able tokind of retcon it. And I would
I'm I'm on board now, which youknow, that's saying a lot
because I do think that he's themost, you know, all he does is

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lap up Vader's essence and thenget thrown into a sarlacc pit,
which I still think he died inthe sarlacc pit, but book of
Boba Fett shows you how hedidn't? Well, it takes.

It takes like what they say like 100 years or
something to digest. So he hadtime,

or 1000 He had time. And I guess his armor.
His armor did take a beating inthat in that pit.

Right. Anyway.
Yeah, so I'd see it. I've alsoseen this new horror movie
recently. I'm not sure if youguys have heard of it. moon
garden. You guys heard MoonGarden? Nah, man, it was great.
I found out about through AlamoDrafthouse because they were
doing a limited run screening.
And it's amazing. It's basicallyabout this. Imaginative five

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year old girl who's got thesedysfunctional parents who argue
a lot and she gets to anaccident and falls into a coma.
And she goes through like thisweird kind of dream state where
she's going through this darkindustrial fantasy land. And
she's being chased by this pooras speaking of this horrible
boogeyman, and like a blackleather coat is only like a void

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of a face with like a chatteringset of teeth. And she has to
journey through this fantasticalworld in order to try and wake
up and be reunited with herfamily. And it's kind of a Lo Fi
effort. And it's but it's reallysucked you in. And it has like
such an amazing mix of specialeffects and practical effects is
like, a lot of the monsters andcreatures are puppets. And

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there's a lot of people and likemakeup and costumes, and there's
stop motion and green screen andCGI and animation. So it just
makes this like reallyinteresting. Kind of, you know,
kind of nightmare world, likeI've described as kind of like
Coraline by way of Pan'sLabyrinth. And, ya know, I'm
really glad I got to see it onthe big screen because it is is

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a trip it is really endearing

up to check that one. Oh, hopefully it's
still playing at the drafthouse.

I don't think it is, but I think it's going to be
available VOD or digital.
Relatively soon. Oh, yeah. Soyeah, just keep an eye out for
that. And back on otherscreenings. So Did anyone else
see Across the Spider-verse?

Yes, I did. I loved it.

No. Oh,

so good.

Oh, no spoilers.

Well, there's one thing that I think needs to
be spoiled. It's a part one, itliterally it there's going to be
a Beyond the Spider-verse. Yeah,and originally

Wars compared is Star Wars conversation. You
know, like everybody's sayingthis is the Empire Strikes Back
of Spider Man movies becausethen it's going to be Return of
the Jedi next you know, it'slike, yeah, you know, part one
then part two,

but when it and I remember thinking this one
was happening, because it'sabout two hours and 20 minutes,
and I remember thinking thiswhen it's happening, I'm like,
oh, we gotta be getting towardthe end of this movie. How are
they going to wrap this up? Andthen the next thing you know
there is to be continued I'mlike, That's how they're gonna.
Yeah, but hey, we can always usemore Spider-verse. I loved it I

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thought it was I mean, it's alot like Into the Spider-verse
in that it's it's like a movingcomic book I mean it's it's the
the backgrounds are like drawnlike with that kind of like dot
animation and the animation itlooks like a moving comic book.
And there are dozens ofSpider-men you don't want to

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spoil you know what would youdare is happening in oil not

know you go tell don't spoil the the
different Spider Man's isbecause I successfully avoiding
who's voicing Ben Riley and I ifyou spoil that for me right now,
rage.

I'm not I don't even know who's voicing
all these Spider-men but it'sfunny though, because, like I
said, there's dozens of SpiderMan if not hundreds. There's
tons of them. And each one ofthem is is like a different
style animation because they'reall from different universes.
And as they're encountering themall. I remember thinking I'm
like, You know what? There aresome famous voices in there.

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Yeah, you know, I'm like there'syou know, I wouldn't be
surprised if if they brought insome some ringers do some some
some special guest voices for itthat you know, just bring him in
for like a half an hour to voicethis one. You know, Spider-Man.

I do know that Ben right. Riley the the what is
the

Scarlet Spider

Scarlet Spider who is a favorite of mine
growing up. He's voiced by a I aheavy hitter. But I've been
successfully avoiding that one.
So that that's that's the oneI've been playing close to the
chest.

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to I'm gonna see
it this week.

Yeah, no, it was amazing. And as it touches on a
lot of different animation, italso touches on a lot of
different genres. You know,like, hits on so many different
levels again, won't spoilanything, but there's even some
horror in there.

I did see in the trailer that they even had
like, the PlayStation video gameof spider man in the background
and stuff and they have

just about at one point, this isn't spoiling
too much because you almostexpect it. They have the 60
Spider Man he comes swinging inand you know, it plays the
music. It's and that's the otherthing. It has the sense of humor
that you would expect from aSpider-Man movie, you know,
because Spider-Man is kind oflike a wise cracking you know,

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guy anyway. Yeah, it has thesense of humor that you expect
from from a Spider Man-movie. Soit's, it's awesome.

But I mean it also like that first trailer
they dropped where it's MiaMorales, his mother giving that
speech of like, you know, your Istill see you as my baby. So
make sure you look out foryourself. Make sure you as
Spider-Man look out for Miles,you know, like that. I'm tearing
up right now just thinking aboutthat speech. So I can't imagine
like how that plays in and howgood that's gonna be. I'm so

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excited. I did get a nicereminder where someone posted
about the butterfly effect andthat it was like one of those
things, the definition of how aflutter from a butterfly's wings
could change the course ofeverything. And they showed the
picture of Donald Glover in aSpider Man pajamas in the season

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two opener of community. Yes.
And how that kicked off thediscussion of Donald Glover
should be the next Spider-Manand they're like, well, we're
not going that direction. We'regoing with Andrew Garfield, but
then Marvel was like, You knowwhat? Why don't we have a black
spider-man and so they createdMil- Miles Morales because of
that discussion. And now we havesome of the best Spider Man
movies made some of the bestSpider Man comic books ever

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made. And hell I just beatSpider Man Miles Morales the
other day and that was a greatfucking video game. So like,
yeah, flaps of a butterfly wing.

And back at it, so I did go to MonsterPalooza
this weekend over in Pasadena.
And for those who don't knowpass monster Palooza happens
twice a year, it says bighorror, sci fi fantasy and
largely effects and makeupconvention with like lots of
monsters and vendors andmemorabilia. And it's just one

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of my favorite things in in LA.
You know, because it's reallyfun to go there and see all
these incredible movie qualitydisplays of masks and
animatronics and monsters andstuff in person. And you get to
see them apply the makeup andhow they make the monsters for

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movies and shows and all thatand just you know artists
showing off their wares andtalents. And one of my favorite
parts is the MonsterPaloozamuseum where they put like some
of the biggest and mostimpressive pieces and
memorabilia and props on displaylike this year. They had the car

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from Cobra with a life sizereplica wax doll of Sylvester
Stallone as Cobra.

Jesus Christ.
Are you kidding me? That'sfucking awesome.

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. That car is badass. Also,
they had a giant Queen Alienhead. And one of my favorites
was somebody did a well I guesstheir imagination of what the
Great Pumpkin from Charlie Brownlooks like. And it's this giant
pumpkin monster like reachingout of the pumpkin patch with
like candy and stuff spillingall over the place. And there

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was also a Frankenstein's modelsmodel, where it's like one of
those evil monster kids whereyou build and paint the monster,
except it was Frankenstein'smonster size. And also there
were giant prop like pieces ofglue and paint thinner and stuff
next to it.

And it's awesome.

Ya know, again, it's just so much fun. And it's
and I love going there too,because you know, just a good
place to meet up with friendsand walk about talk horror. Like
I ran into so many familiarfaces going for there. Also the
dealer's rooms really fun. Likethere's always like, cool, cool
stuff I want to buy but I gottahold myself back. Otherwise, I'm

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going to be emptying out my bankaccount. Like I did grab a
couple of things like I got theAdventures of Baron Munchausen
soundtrack on vinyl. I got acopy script of Abott and
Costello Meet Frankenstein, andfrom Severin Films like I got
Alien From the Abyss and thecomplete Comic Strip Presents

That's awesome. Yeah, I need to go to
Monster Palooza get I haven'tbeen in years. Yeah, no, it's a

good time. Like, it has everything monster kid
would ever want really?

I did. I Lindsey and I did go to
something last weekend. It'scalled a Blasphemeet,

A blasphemeet?

A blasphemeet.
It was presented as ablasphemous swap meet. And it
was everything that ablasphemous goth kid would ever
want. There was art. There wasjewelry, there were T shirts,
there was so many cool things.

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There were performers doingvarious shows. There was some
adult shows there with thatthere was taxidermy it was it
was such a great time. So muchspooky, but everyone was so
fucking nice. Like almost toonice. It was it was so much fun.
We had such a blast. I got somuch more, you know, satanic
stuff for my apartment, which isgreat. I love it.

What you'd get?

I got this.
It's like a it's like a woodburning piece that had it's got
like a wizard skull hood. Butit's from like a night the art
is from a like a 1980s likefantasy calendar. And then it
was so it was put onto the woodthe wood was burned. And then it
was resined over. So that'sreally cool. That's hanging in
my office right now. And then Ialso got this really great

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painting. It's like a skull withlike, it's like a skeleton with
like a cow skull and there'slike a skeleton of like a fetus
in it. And it was the artistslike her processing Roe v. Wade
being taken back. It's a verybeautiful art piece. I

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absolutely adore it. But yeah,it was it was such a cool thing.
They're doing another thing inNovember, I highly recommend
look up @blasphemeet onInstagram. They do some really
cool stuff. It's just a dark artmarket ritual. And also, if you
ever get one of their pamphletsthat whoever does their type,
man, do they know how to fuckingsell it. It's silly, but it's

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great.

All right now keep an eye out for that. Also,
in terms of repertoryscreenings, last or two weeks
ago, the New Bev had their 2000sterrorthon where they played
four movies from the 2000sdecade. And I thought it was
gonna be interesting because youknow, not a lot of people talk
about the 2000s era of horror asmuch as they do like other eras.

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But there's still some prettygood horror movies from that
time and the movies ended upbeing Urban Legends: Final Cut,
Splinter, 30 Days of Night, andthis one I hadn't seen before.
Mindhunters

that's a really great lineup.

Yeah, no, I thought it was solid. Yeah, like
that's the thing too, like thethe other movies I had seen, but
not in a very very long time.
Particularly I was surprisedabout Splinter because when I
saw it, I just rent it on DVDbecause I didn't even know it
had a theatrical run, especiallyone on film at the time. But
that that one needs to be talkedabout more because you know, for

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kind of a Lo Fi effort, it hassuch amazing practical effects
and such a good setup like it'sit's really cool and forgotten
how good 30 Days Of Night was.
That is still one of the mostbrutal and really thrilling
vampire movies of the lastcouple of decades.

Yeah, I still need I need to give that a
rewatch soon.

Yeah Plus it's got Josh Hartnett

we love a good JOSH HART net performance here
at Eye On Horror.

We sure do. And mine hunters was pretty fun and
kind of like it was a post sawpsychological death trap, horror
thriller type of deal. Butmostly LL Cool. J was the
highlight of the movie becausehe had the best lines like minor
spoiler, but what my favoriteline of his was, I guess, I
guess we found out what hisweakness was bullets, which you

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don't even need to know thecontext. You just know that it's
funny and badass.

I have no context whatsoever. I've never
seen this movie or really heardof it. And yeah, no, that's
that's grade A line there.

And don't sleep on Urban Legend Final Cut.
Oh, yeah, no, no, I

was just about to get to that.

Yeah, I love those Urban Legend movies.

Oh, yeah. No, I yeah, it's been a while since
I've visited that and you know,I have to you know, kind of
think to compare to the originalUrban Legends, but final cuts a
lot of fun especially becauseit's very heavily in the post
scream slasher boom because it'sgot kind of a bit of meta
commentary because it's aboutthese film school kids so they

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know all the film tropes andrevolves around the urban ledger
on campus and watching it now. Inever realized how much of a
giallo influence it has becauselike there's a black glove
killer there's even kind of athrowback to like the glass
guillotine killed from Infernoand I mean, the award in the

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movie like in the movie, they'retrying to get this film award.
It's called the Hitchcock award.
So it is pretty evident. Butyeah, it's a lot of fun and has
some pretty good kills. Andyeah, I mean, that's the thing,
you know, just 80s. I feel likeit's the most prominent of
decades when it comes to horrordiscussions. But the 2000s
really does have its own greatlineup of film, so it's worth

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revisiting. Nice.

Before we move on to our topic. I'm going
to bring us down for a second.
Because there's this true crimedocumentary on Netflix right now
called Victim/Suspect. Have youguys seen it or heard about it?
No. Oh, this will piss you offlike Correia, you're saying that
Bomb City, pissed you off. Thiswill piss you off more basically
Victim/Suspect is about. It'sabout all these women who report

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their rapes. You know, they goto the police or campus police
or whoever and they reportsexual assault. And because they
it's like her word against hisword. The police basically
charged these women for filing afalse police report, and these
women ended up going to jail,because they can't do that

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proof. And it is infuriating.
When you get into the it's areporter from I forget the
publication, but she's the onewho is doing the documentary.
And she took over a year towrite this story. And this
documentary goes along with it.
So she investigated all thesecases. And she got footage from

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the police departments of theinvestigations. And it's like,
these women are being grilled.
And then when they pull the guyin, it's just like a so it was
consensual. Okay, cool. You'refree to go. It's, it's like so
it's infuriating. Anyway, ifyou're into true crime, and you
want to get pissed off,Victim/Suspect on Netflix,

listen, see Bomb City, I wasn't angry about
it. It was definitely like anarrative interpretation of
like, the real events like,especially if you know, like,
you and I have discussed, Jay,that, you know, that's not the
full story. That's not the truestory. But at least like the
stories get out there, that truecrime thing I did see a trailer
for it. And I was just like, Idon't know if I can handle the

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amount of rage I will feelwatching that. And I've been
watching a lot of, especially onParamount Paramount has had a
lot of really good shortdocumentaries on there, of docs
that are just like, have filledme with rage recently, like I
just watched the other day. Ibetween the two of them, they
were less than an hour. Butthere was one called Lynching

Postcards (27:40):
Token of a Great Day, where it was all about the
history of how of lynchings inAmerica and how it corresponded
with Kodak making its firstcommercial cameras. And so
people would take pictures andthen sell them as postcards. And
people would buy those postcardslike crazy to send to people
it'd be like, I was there thatday. And that, you know, that of

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course, like, enraged me. So ofcourse, I followed it up with
something, another doc calledR.I.P T-Shirts, where it's all
about how in certainly in likeneighborhoods in Washington, DC,
where there's a high level ofdrive by shootings, there's
people will make Memorial Tshirts, rest in peace T shirts

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they call them to commemoratethe person's life, but also to
help raise funds for the funeraland things of that nature. And
they the doc follows this onephotographer where he's like,
yeah, no, that makes up 80% ofmy business, which like, is
great for business. But I don'twant to be making money off of
something like this. Like, I Iwish we weren't having to make

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this. But for a lot of thesepeople, like that's all they
have is are these shirts. And ithappens a lot. They interview
families where it was like their12 or 13 year old that were shot
and killed. They interview this13 year old who got shot in the
face when she was 11. And it'sjust like, Jesus. Yeah, that was
a rough evening. Going from oneto the other. But, man. Yeah, I

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don't that that that series Athat you brought up? Jay sounds
very important. Very good. Idon't know if I can handle.
Because I've met I've met womenand people who have gone through
that. And

the good news is it's not a series it is just
a movie. So it's an hour and ahalf. You don't have to put up
with you know, six episodes ofit drawn out. Yeah, yeah. But
um, but yeah, it's infuriating.
It's, I mean, these poor womenand they go through, you know,
where like, there's one case inparticular where the the, they
basically get the the woman'scharges expunged because they

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found so much malfeasance on thepart of the police and the
police. They they totallybotched the case and they but
they won't talk to thedocumentary crew through and
finally the all they do is theysend some this frickin CC
footage that totally backs upthe victim story. You're like,

(30:08):
Are you kidding me? What youknow and and and the the legal
team is like I've never seenthis footage before they didn't
supply this. It's uh yeah, it'sinfuriating.

Our judicial and medical system here in
America is fucked

one of the women got charged with tampering
with evidence because she gother rape kit done. It's like,
how is that tampering withevidence that that is building
it? Oh, yeah, I'm gettingpissed. Just think about it. But
yeah. Oh, and you're right.
Here's the thing about ourjudicial system. And I'm going
on my soapbox for a second FastForward 30 seconds. If you don't
want to hear me go on mysoapbox. our judicial system is

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not built on justice. It's builton convictions. It's built
people are building careers onbeating the other team. So
they're not interested infinding the truth. They're
interested in winning theircase. And that's what pisses me
off so much about the WestMemphis Three case that you
know, that they had to they hadto sign an Alford plea to get

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out because the offer plea is aguilty verdict. And so they got
out of jail after like 18 years.
But the fact that

they had to admit it,

yeah, but the fact the fact that it's that
they admitted to guilt means thecase is closed, and someone got
away with killing these threelittle boys, because the case is
closed. And granted, the case isso cold that they probably would
never solve anyway. But the factthat the police think it's
solved, and that's because somany

saw they're just covering their asses. Yeah,
yeah.

solved in air quotes. The official case is
solved. And it's because so manypeople have built careers on
this case. You know, the theselawyers and judges have all gone
on into politics. And you know,you don't want to turn around
and say, oh, yeah, the case thatI built my career on. I was
wrong.

Way more than wrong, way more than wrong just
like completely destroyed livesand threw people under the bus.
Yeah.

And I spent 18 years defending my wrong
position. Yeah. Okay. All right.
I'm off my soapbox now. Andwe're gonna move on to our more
lighthearted topic, which I'mgoing to let Korea introduced
because I'm not 100% sure Iunderstood the assignment. But
he's also got a little rant ofhis own that he's gonna

Yes, introduce it so take

it away Correia.

Give me a moment to calm the fuck down
after that. You got me riled up,man.

Yeah, right. It was probably not the best
transitional piece

you know what the rest of this podcast we're
gonna go take down the system.
Let's let's let's change gearscompletely.

Its still something you're passionate
about. So I got you worked upfor a reason

I'm gonna I'm gonna get worked up in a in a
different way. But I'll beworked up but not passionate as
passionately. But no. So we hereat Eye On Horror, love physical
media. I think that that'spretty damn evident. In what
five years of doing this fuckingpodcast that we love physical
media. We love taking home andholding the things that we love,

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which is art, whether it berecords, blu rays, DVDs, 4K's,
cassettes, A tracks, posters,we, I think the three of us
border on hoarding, in somecases me put in particular. So I
wanted to discuss today, specialfeatures and and home releases

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because we're living in thegolden age of home video for
undiscovered past, right. A lotof movies that would never get a
home release are not onlygetting home releases, they're
getting gorgeous home releases.
We're seeing beautiful work fromSeverin, from Vinegar Syndrome,
criterion, Arrow Video, the listgoes on from all these
distributors that are doingamazing work, giving films that

(33:55):
might have never seen the lightof day or seen the day again,
suddenly getting stunningreleases jam packed with special
features. But we're not gettingthat with our with the main
releases. I've been we've beenseeing this trend happening over
and over again. were brand newmovies that were you know just
got out of the box office aren'teven getting 4k releases. And if

(34:17):
they so it's bare bones. Thishas been sparked because I saw a
tweet where someone said thatthe home release for Evil Dead
Rise barely gets a 4k and it hasalmost no special features on
it. Which is insane to me tothink because I don't know about
you guys, but I've owned about adozen different versions, the
original Evil Dead trilogy andand the 2014 version. I've owned

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at least three copies of eachfilm at any one point in my life
and to think that the latest onehas a bare bones release is
insane, but it's happening alot.

it doesn't make sense because there are
people who will want to talkabout it like all On the cast
and crew, yeah, it's like, atleast give a commentary maybe
some behind the scenes becausepeople love talking about these
Evil Dead movies, the new oneincluded.

The actors for Evil Dead Rise have been blowing
up with behind the scenes photosand videos and talking about
their experiences on socialmedia. It's been really great
seeing how much fun they've hadon it. Why isn't that on disk?
Like why is it that these majorthese major studios are kind of
giving up on on home video andit's, it's it's a bigger thing,

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right. And it's not just likethe special features, but
they're also not getting 4kreleases. Cocaine Bear only got
a Blu ray release here in theUS, which it did have a lot of
features on it. I'll give itthat. But the UK got a 4k disc
for it, which blows my mind. Acocaine bear is one of the most
American films ever made. Ifthere's anything that says

(35:55):
America, or at least feedinginto the idealism that makes
America great, you know, and thebeauty of what it is it's
Cocaine Bear. Why don't we havethe best picture quality
possible on disk for such apatriotic and beautiful
representation of us as anation? Why does England get it?

I want this could be the blurb for this
episode. And nothing saysAmerica like a bear on cocaine.

Prove me wrong. Prove me wrong fuck
images of John Wayne. It's abear on cocaine that stands for
America. So why the fuck doesEngland get a 4k disc? Why do I
have to import a 4k disc fromfucking England for Cocaine
Bear? That's ridiculous. Butwe're seeing it a lot. I as I

(36:43):
said we're living in this goldenage. Where Showgirls is getting
an amazing 4k release fromVinegar Syndrome. They just put
out Roadhouse on 4k Severin isputting out amazing Argento
films which remember how hard itwas to get Argento films back in
the day. It wasn't until AnchorBay started putting them out

(37:03):
that we that they really startedpopping off and now we're
getting them in 4K It's soincredible and yet universal
Sony's doing a bit better butlike so many of them are just
dropping the ball and we're alsoseeing it in the retail space
Target, Walmart, BestBuy, allthese places are reducing the
amount of floor space that homevideo is getting. Granted, you

(37:25):
can still buy stuff online, butman, what I this is not to be
nostalgic. And I'm definitelynot going to be nostalgic for
Blockbuster because fuckBlockbuster. But just walking
down the aisles and going man,hey, this movie is reduced by
$7. What's the back of it? Thatsounds insane. You know what I
mean? That's different thanreading it online. I don't maybe
maybe it's. Maybe I'm gettingold. But I think I think our

(37:50):
home videos deserve better herein the US. And so that was my
rant for you guys. I was gonnawait till later, but you got me
so riled up. You might as welljust go to the rant. But instead
of just bitching, I want to askyou guys, what are some of your
favorite special features likedo you have? I know, I've
recently talked about how theGhost Rider Spirit of Vengeance.

(38:13):
Our features, like behind thescenes is one of my favorite
special features to be releasedrecently. But what's what's the
specific one from a release thatyou guys love?

I have one that I have loved. And it was on
the VHS and the DVD. I don'tknow if it's on the blu ray
because I don't have the blu raybut on Book of Shadows Blair
Witch 2 Yes, I'm going to talkabout which two again, god
dammit this, it was almost likea game it was called The Secret
of Esrever, which you know,anybody can see that as rivers

(38:43):
reverse backwards. But in themovie, certain scenes were were
shot differently or theydigitally edited them to have
little like code words in them.
And it was like a game you couldplay while watching and you
could you you would figure outthese different code words and
you you would Descramble thisgame and you play the video in
reverse. And it took you to awebsite that's probably not

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there anymore, but it was thiscool little game that you could
play to get more bonus contentit was it you know, but it
didn't just give them to you onthe disk you had to work for
them. And some of it wasfrustrating because some of the
like I remember one of the oneof the secret words was on le t
equals grave when the goth girlwas laying on it, you know? You

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know some of them were thatobvious but other ones were like
hidden in the water in placesand you know, it's a that was
one of my favorites and I don'tknow if it's on the blu ray but
it's it's it was on the VHS andso on the old DVD

going off of that one of my other favorite
DVD or Blu Ray bonus features isfrom The Blair Witch Project.
The Curse of the Blair Witchremember the documentary they
put on the Sci Fi Channelcoincide with where Witch
Project release? Oh yeah. islike a mockumentary style
program.

Yeah, I still have my 2pk on VHS of The Blair
Witch Project with The Curse ofthe Blair Witch

Me too! But ya know, just it really adds
a lot of context to the movie.
And I'm just always a big fan ofkind of mockumentary style
horror, and just kind ofadditional materials that boost
and you know, like, add afoundation to the to the story.
Because, yeah, it does go deeperinto the lore of the Blair

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Witch, and you know, a lot ofthe history and I was I just
really like, faux mockumentarystuff. So that's always been a
personal favorite of mine,

The Blair Witch Project I have, I've said
it before, I'll say it again, itis probably the most influential
movie in modern horror history.
Because if you think about it,without the Blair Witch Project,
there would have been actually Ishouldn't say without it being
as successful as it was, therewould be I mean, think of all
the found footage we have thesedays, you know, and granted, 95%

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of it is really bad. But itshowed people that you can do
this. And the thing with theBlair Witch Project is if you
watch it just as a movie itself,it, you know, it has a couple of
creepy parts, but it's not thatscary. It's only scary when you
put that context in. And thefilmmakers realize that and
that's why they came up withthat documentary thing. And

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that's why they're the websitewas there, you know, they had
without the mythology, the movieis just three people getting
lost in the woods. So that's whythat is such an important
special feature, becauseespecially looking at it 25
years later, almost 2524. Now,you know, and now that I don't
even think the websites thereanymore, you need that context

(41:45):
to get the full effect of amovie,

100%. And that's one of the cool things
like DVD and blu ray menus blewup, right? Yeah. And there would
be so many cool ways of like,incorporating I remember the
three disc DVD for Hellboy hadall these special features, like
so much delving into the worldand the process. And like for a

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lot of my generation that wasour first film school where all
the special features were youget to see from start to finish
on like how it was made. Butthen those Hellboy ones had all
these little hidden ones. Sowhen you're going through the
menu, if you press up allsudden, you'll see like one of
the background characters eyeslight up, and you click on it,
and it's a cot and it's like itone of them was like it was it

(42:33):
was Hellboy having pancakes forthe first time. It was one of
the original comic books, and itwas Professor boom, or Broom
being like, Oh yeah, no, yougotta eat it, you'll like and
he's like, No, I don't want toeat it. No, try it and like he's
fighting him and he finally eatsit. And then it goes, meanwhile
in hell. And there's some demonsgo, no Hellboy ate pancakes.
We'll never get back. He's toofar gone. You know, just having

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those little easter eggs forthose little communicates is
great. But like learning theprocess learning the mythos is
so cool. really gets into that.
And then like they or like, ifyou clicked on like another
character's thing, it would belike one of the cartoons that
Hellboy had on one of his manyTVs like Gerald McBoing-Boing,
which was so weird. And it'salso just because I'm going to

(43:17):
bring it up again. The Empty Manwas one of the most like, fun
films I saw in 2020. And it's sogood. And the director used to
make he won awards for makingDVD menus, like he won
prestigious awards in thatcommunity for it. And his first
feature film doesn't even get afucking home video release

(43:38):
outside of a DVD through Redbox.
That's insane.

That's ridiculous.

Speaking of a DVD menus, that's another one of
my favorite special features isum, do you guys remember the
limited edition Memento DVD?

No, I didn't, I didn't rent that the menu.

The menu you kind of had to solve a game to
watch the movie, what the menuit when you put the disc in, it
would show you a list of wordsthat you had to like, remember,
and then the menu had all thesewords. And some of them were
there. Some of them weren't. Andsome of them are obvious, like
the word watch is on there. Andof course that lets you watch
the movie. So it's not thatdifficult of a game to solve. At

(44:21):
least the first disc. But yeah,you you have to kind of
remember, you know what wordsyou can click and what ones you
can't the second disk which hadall the special features and one
of them was which I don't seethe point because I don't think
it'd be as effective but one ofit had a chronological version
of the movie which if you'veseen the mental you know, it
kind of takes place goingbackwards. That one they're not

(44:43):
words, they're little symbolsand you have to like you know,
like you click on I think it's aclock and that shows you that
the movie in real time, youknow, in like chronological
time. But yeah, you couldn'teven watch your movie without
solving a little puzzle first.

That's fun. as fuck.

That's cool and speaking of fun as fuck. One of
my favorite DVD menu featureswas for the original House of
1000 Corpses where you're inCaptain Spaulding things at gas
station Museum,

and he would make fun of you. Yeah, exactly

with you.

On the flip side of that The Devil's Rejects
DVD menu was horrible because itwas just a lot of screaming like
it was just like, and I rememberhaving a party where we watched
it in high school, we all fellasleep and no one everyone fell
asleep. And when all throughoutthe night someone would wake up

(45:43):
and go fuck someone shut off theTV but couldn't find the remote.
It would just go back to sleep.
And so all night it was justlike screaming at us. I will
never forgive Devil's Rejectsfor that. But I have a very
serious question. Do you guyswatch movies with commentary?

Yes, yes. I love to listen to commentaries.

I love to listen to commentaries. I, I
almost approached them though.
Kind of like podcasts where,where, you know, I don't really
ever I'll put it on. But thenit'll be like background noise
and I listen to the commentarywithout actually watching the
movie with it. I like hearingthem talk about the movie, but I
don't really put it in thecontext of the movie so much.

Yeah, I have difficulty sometimes if it's a
movie, I've seen a whole mess oftimes I can do it. But I
oftentimes get too distractedwith it on. That being said,
there are some commentaries thatI can never skip. Whenever
Arnold Schwarzenegger does acommentary, it's always gold
because he explains the movielike an excited child and you

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it's like his commentary forTotal Recall is him just like
when he's fighting shared stone.
He's just like, Oh, she hits mein the in the groin and it
really hurts. Because you know,and she keeps me hard there. But
it's okay, this is a stunt Ididn't get hurt and or like on
Conan and when he's talkingabout like how heavy the sword
was, but it's okay because he'sa strong man and could swing it
like it's, it's so good. Thatand also Wet Hot American Summer

(47:08):
has a commentary track whereit's just David Wain and Michael
Showalter and a few others justmaking fart noises the whole
time. Which is brilliant becausethey timed it perfectly in some
parts and then other parts.
They're just like, You knowwhat, just like completely go

(47:29):
over the entire scene. It's it'sbrilliant.

My favorite commentary is for This Is Spinal
Tap. The band does a commentarytrack in character. So it's
basically Spinal Tap doing itand it's funny because when they
get to that, to that this goesto 11 scene and they all go ah,
this yes, this is Oh, weprobably should have copywritten

(47:51):
this or is it a trademark or acopyright? Yeah, you don't
really copyright you trademark.
How many people have ripped offthis goes to

one of my favorite commentaries was the
Adam green and Joe Lynchcommentary for Friday the 13th
part 4

the fan commentary Yeah,

yeah, I love the fan commentary stuff, especially
the stuff they were doing forFriday 13th Because think was
originally they did those Ithink for their podcasts and
movie crypt and the was it theYorkie THON event they do every
year. And it was and they wereso popular that they ended up
putting them on the blu rays.
Like when the Friday 13th setcame out, they included every
commentary they did. But Partfour is my favorite, especially

(48:36):
for the beginning, is the onething I remember distinctly was
you know, like the, like theopening scene of the movie where
it's just after part three, andJason seems to be dead. And you
know, I never really thoughtabout before, but they were
pointing out how like, eerie theopening into Part four is
because there's this bit wherethey like all the cops and

(48:58):
ambulances and helicopters leaveand just kind of focuses on
Crystal Lake dark and isolatedby itself. And yeah, just kind
of gave me a new perspective onPart Four and specifically those
scenes. So and yeah, and Ireally liked their other
commentaries too in the in theseries. So those of those have
stuck with me.

Have you guys seen the the Final Destination 3
DVD? I don't know if it's on theblu ray, but on the DVD, they
have deleted scenes, but whenyou're watching the movie, it'll
pop up it'll say do you want tosee this scene or this? See they
basically every death, theyfilmed twice. And you can it'll
let you choose which one youwatch. You know, if you want to

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watch you know this the safe oneor the gory one or whatever, or
you know, do you want thisperson to live or whatever, um,
and it puts them into the actualmovie. It's not just an extra
feature, you know that you clickon it, it puts it into context
of the whole movie. So that wasalways kind of fun, too.

It was like a choose your own adventure
feature. Yeah.

Yeah. That's that's a better way of
describing it than my frickinham fisted. Yeah, it was like a
choose your own adventure kindof a thing?

Yeah, no, I do remember that being marketed.
And it was also in 3D too. Ithink it was another one of the
gimmicks of that home release.
Which is, which is awesome. Ilove stuff like that. The Sin
City had a really good like todisk one that had the first
graphic novel with it on DVD.
But you were able to watch, theychanged up the movie because so

(50:36):
that you can watch the storiesin chronological order, or you
can just watch them on your own.
So if you're like, Yeah, I onlywant to watch that the Yellow
Bastard today, you can justwatch those segments as their
own individual stories, which Ialways appreciate it. But going
back to it, I mean, well,actually, before going back to
it. I think the one thing that Ido like about this current era
of home video is we're notgetting a lot of goofy fill up

(50:59):
shelf space releases becauseremember, there was that period
where every major release had tohave like a three disc set that
came with like, postcards andlike an inflatable thing or like
a cookie ish, something

and just big styrofoam box

and it would take up the space of like five
or six DVDs and stuff. I'm alittle client that we're a
little past that. Don't get mewrong, like we still are getting
larger than life releasesVinegar Syndromes. VSAs are or
VSUs releases do take up a bitmore space, but it's fucking
worth it. Dude, Roadhouse cantake up all the shelf space on

(51:39):
my shelves as a can already doestake up a lot.

Don't get me started on the Criterion
Godzilla. It's so inconvenient.
Awesome set. But yeah, it's likethat big children's book sighs

Well, did you take the discs out because I
highly recommend taking thediscs out and putting it into a
new blu ray case because theglue on those is not great in
the disc slide down eventuallyinto the glue just a heads up
that in the Zatoichi set withcriterions. But, but yeah, so
I'm pretty glad we're a littlepast that. But I think there's a

(52:13):
lot that's kind of being lostwith like barebone releases are
not getting the highest qualityor even just some double
dipping, too. Because likethere's been releases where
they'll put out a DVD and thenlike within a year they'll be
like, oh shit, yeah, here's the4K as well. They did it with
Barb and Star Go to Vista DelMar. They did it with Malignant

(52:34):
as well. And it's, it's it'sfrustrating because like,
especially as a as a avidcollector as I am. I don't want
to be spending I want to put mymoney towards the things that I
love. But like taking that muchmoney from is not cool. I got
rent to pay motherfuckers Iwould

wait on Evil Dead Rise then because you know
that there's gonna be a betterversion with more features
coming out.

Oh, that's what I was thinking because the Evil
Dead remake was put out byScream Factory with that awesome
4k set. So I would not besurprised if something similar
happened when Evil Dead Rise.
Yep, well,

two things.
How long did we have to wait forthat Scream Factory? Yeah, Evil
Dead 2k 14 to come out. And theoriginal did have some decent
features. They did release thedirector's cut, or the unrated
cut in between digitally,weirdly, I remember having to
buy that on Google Play in orderto watch it. And I already pre
ordered the UK steelbook 4K forEvil Dead Rise. So that money is

(53:33):
already spent.

Are there any special features on that?

I think so.
Yes. Yeah, actually, I think inthe tweet that originally
started this topic and my rage,they said that the UK
StudioCanal version is slated tohave some commentaries and
include the directors like earlywork like one of his early
shorts and stuff. So like, thematerial is out there. i It's,

(53:59):
it's I understand, you know,trying to save money and all
that stuff. But like, if you'renot putting anything on the
disk, what's the incentive toget it? You know,

right, one of my favorite features on that
we're on a lot of I thinkTwilight Time discs, the
isolated scores Did you guysever watch the DVD without the
dialogue just

a couple of times

as a music dork I would do that. Yeah,

it's it's one of the reasons why I keep I kept
so many of my Twilight Timereleases even if they gone
really since then. I thinkthat's such a cool feature.

How many versions of Rollerball Do you
own?

I'll look that up right now.

I just have the Twilight Time one.

Does that include the remake? No,

we don't talk about the remake.

So rollerball.
I have the Arrow Video Blu Ray,the Twilight Time blu ray, the
Shout Factor 4k and a Germanmedia book version. So I own
four different versions ofRollerball. I do also own a Blu
ray of the remake. I've tried toget rid of it, but no one will
take it. I brought it to you.
Legitimately I bought it atDollar Tree and no one will take

(55:07):
it. And I also have RollerBabies from Vinegar Syndrome,
which I don't know if that'sconnected in any way. But

no, it's not that that's not related. And I
would rather watch that than theremake.

1,000% 1,000% Who doesn't want to watch like
some, like, porno roller derbymovie Over that

Is it an actual porn parody of rollerball or is
it just the name?

No, it's it's just name innit?

Yeah, it's yeah, it's just name

I think it's I think it's about I haven't
watched it, but I think it'sroll. It's a roller derby, not
roller ball, or I think it'sjust skating.

Yeah, it is.
It's skating. But it's I don'tthink it's a roller derby. I
think it's like street skating.
Unless I'm getting it mixed upwith something else. Gotcha. But
I don't even remember what movieit is. But I'm pretty sure it's
better than the remake ofRollerball.

Yeah, but to get to cap it to bring it all
together. Again golden age wehave I think Shout Factory just
announced their volume two ofthe Shaw Brothers collection. So
between Shout Factory, 88 Filmsand Arrow Video we have had 52
Shaw Brothers films get HD discsin the last year or two which is

(56:18):
incredible

Damn,

We are living in the golden age of home video
releases for older films forindependent films with Vinegar
Syndrome and OCN putting out alot of smaller distributors and
giving them a platform to beseen and get funding but I wish
the major studios would investmore into it I get it, the cost

(56:40):
cutting you know you want yeah,if you want to watch the 4K of
cocaine bear you can always goto Peacock and watch it sure but
like owning the disc, it's, it'shaving a piece of that it's you
get to learn more like I saidit's some people's film school
it's some people just expandingon their hobby learning more
about it, it's getting more indepth with it having more

(57:02):
interaction with the product,which I think is a beautiful
thing for art is being able tointeract with it more especially
with cinema being such aninteractive form. And I just I
just really hope that they theyturn more you know that they do
better because I don't want toown two copies of Barb and Star
just because one disk has 20minutes more footage than the

(57:25):
other one is the 4k You know Idon't want to have to buy
Malignant on Blu ray and then ayear later sell it so I can
afford to buy the 4k you knowbut it's that might just be
firstworldproblems that mightjust be Jon Correia problems I
don't know but I think we can dobetter and god dammit put empty
The Empty Man out on fuckingdesk already. And and if you get

(57:48):
if you do like commentary, maybeit's about time we do a Rampage
commentary we've beenthreatening it for about

it we are overdue.

Yeah, we are.
Alright with that. On that note,let's, let's get out of here.
Let's call this one an episode.
So what are your favoritespecial features? And do you
agree that that distributors andproviders are not doing enough?
Even though this is the goldenage as Correia calls it? Are you

(58:19):
tired of bare bones stuff? Doyou not even buy physical media?
Is it just you know, likeCorreia says is that a Correia
problem? Let us know. And whoknows, maybe you'll change our
mind?

No, I'm still going to waste all my money on
discs, whether it's vinyl orblurays, its gonna happen

then you won't change our mind. But let's
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