Catch up on all the footy news from AFL 360, Tuesday 3rd June with Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon.
Gerard Whateley and Garry Lyon are back for another big edition of AFL 360 as one of the marquee dates on the calendar approaches - The Big Freeze at the 'G. GWS Giants legend Callan Ward stops by to tell all about his devastating injury and how he helped inspire his side's incredible fourth quarter comeback.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
After all that James Cecily is injureds the Hawk Skipper
ruled out of the next two crucial clashes that might
shape his team's fortunates.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
The agony and stoicism of Callen Ward, the injured giant
joins us back in Melbourne as he waits in the reconstruction.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And two of the games pivotal figures are here at
the desk Collingwood captain Darcy Moore and Carlton Ford Harry
McKay joined players Knights. We talked about his step into it,
debrace all of it.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
In the room and eat it.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It's unedifying for a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
They're on the side of cautia with the brain, take.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
The man on it.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
They played the best footy I've ever seen at the
start of the season, and injury said president left. The
couple older said, of course they do. It is the
stuff that legends are made of. What is holding the ball?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I could do something.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Wrong, you know, and I need to get on the
board sextually.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
The fans lover and with no fans, no through sixty
year old.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
There's a lot to work with this Tuesday night, Gaz
and I know you've had the most wonderful day.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I've had a great day, Jed. I look forward to
sharing it with you. It's a really special occasion.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
A show and tell to come as we start tonight.
Channel seven's News is reporting that Tom Harley is poised
to accept the position as the chief operating Officer at
the AFL and when that comes to pass, it will
complete the most extraordinary recruiting raid on the Northern States. Yesterday,
Greg Swan out of the Brisbane lines. Today Tom Harley
(01:35):
out of the Swans. And think about this triumvirate. So
you've got the leader in Andrew Dillon, you've got the
gray hair who comes in in Greg Swan, and the
hair the next generation leader, Tom Harley.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Two Grand Final CEOs of the Year prior. It is
quite stunning. It is a stunning cup, no two ways
about jured. And as I said, this is your area
more so than mine. But from where I sit, it's
pretty impressive.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It's been decisive and it's been bold and it really
does set the game up for what comes next. Harley
is a premiership captain at Geelong, where he was a
renowned leader as well as been an accomplished player, he
was an excellent media performer. He's been the Swan's chief
executive since twenty nineteen, and he does represent I think
that natural leadership. He is a natural born leader. He's
(02:27):
a modern thinker, he's whip smart, and he is absolutely
the successor when that time comes.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, we've got great communicators, you know, and Andrew's a
bit of a knock on Andrews as the media staff
is not as polished as his predecessors. Well that's okay
if you surround yourself with two really good media performers
like Greg Swan and Tommy Harley. So I think they've
done a really good job, all right.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So we'll wait to see as that comes to hands.
What we have for you tonight's lined up is our players,
Darcy Moore and Harry McKay. Callen Ward is about to
join us, and Ray Chamblain's brought the chicken wings. It'll
be good viewing on midweek Tackle. As they follow the
developments at AFL headquarters. Lauren Wood, John Ralph and Glenn
McFarlan are working the phones as we walked down here.
(03:09):
And then tomorrow night, John Longmiro and Adam Simpson, Simon Goodwin,
a stacked lineup and slider number eight. It will be
our privilege to reveal Matt Tilly is the chief executive
of the M and D setup, and Hannah Monday, who's
with the Vixen's Netball's got its own big Freeze to
set up as well. And this is very much the
Tuesday Favorites is all yours.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, so this is getting bigger and bigger, the big
phrase Big Frieze eleven and it is a momentous occasion
on the calendar and it's delivered us this remarkable human
being by the name of Neil Danaher, who we've all
known as an outstanding footballer, very very good football coach
and now just providing a legacy for future am mend
suffers the likes of which you can't get your head around.
(03:51):
So today at the MCG he did what we haven't
expected him to be able to do, probably for the
last six years, and that is gather himself and get
to the MCG, the home of football, with his beloved
extended family, the Melbourne Football Club. Every single player was
gathered there in the playing list, every member of the administration,
the mcc there as well, and a host of his
former charges that he coached, and this amazing technology this
(04:16):
will we live in Now we've touched on this episode briefly.
New was able to talk, will deliver his message rather
in his own voice, so he uses his eye technology
to identify the words that he wants. But this technology
now delivers this uplifting message every king's birthday match. So
this is a bit I've got for you here which
(04:37):
I loved that. I loved all of it. But he
talks about the two sides of him when he was
first diagnosed, the mister negative and the mister positive.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
And in those early days, I was having a constant
dialogue in my head what I call my mister Negative
and mister Positive voices. Mister Negative was loud, he said,
you're stuffed. There's no coming back from this, And to
be honest, didn't have a great argument against that at
the time. But then eventually mister Positive spoke up and
(05:07):
he asked, how's that working for you? Sitting in misery
listening to that voice in our way, And I had
to admit it wasn't working at all. It was making
me more anxious, more miserable. That was the start of
a shift. I didn't suddenly become a superhero. I didn't
have a plan, but I did realize one thing. If
(05:27):
I kept listening to mister negative, I was already done.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
How a shurdinary is that to sit there and listen
to that. So he talks about that. I loved it
when he says, and then mister positive says, how's that.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Working for him? Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
And so he got moving And this is the over
one hundred million dollars raised, hope now for him and
d sufferers in the future, and a room full of
people who were just all struck to sit there and
watch him deliver that message. So it was a beautiful day.
And I don't never get out and deliver public messages.
But Melbourne support us. Please on Monday, if you can
(06:03):
get to the game, if you're a member, an MCC
member or an AFL member, get there because we want
to get ninety thousand plus. We know the Collingwood fans
will turn up in their draves. Melbourne fans have been
great supporters of this. But when you hear this man
speak and what he's trying to do, he just wants
to see every single seat field and every single head
of a bluebean hill.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yes, it seems like we should do all in our
power to make that happen, so that there's a small
amount of ups for us publicly just privately. Did he
channel a bit of the Reverend and give it the
Melbourne treatment?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yes he did, and he's going to talk to the
Collingwood team tomorrow, so let's be very even handed about this.
And I know how appreciative they are. But there was
a message there for his beloved dep.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Beautiful, beautiful. The big freeze is spreading right around the
country and the Suns did their bit today up on
the Gold Coast, so down the inflatable slide when Bob
easts I thought he wore the pink pretty well. Sally
Pearson who all the son's pink jumper, Brandon Ellis in
the shark suits, Mac Andrew in the budge smugglers.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Not not shy mag that is what we want to see.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
The zel Jones I think might have just had a
little shot of James Magison here a.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Bit beefed up. That is good sport right there, Well done,
Well done to everyone.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Everyone gets asked to do a photo opportunity along the way,
and in these moments, everyone says yes steel side Bottom
and Jake Melcham should they have said yes this one.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
These are two of the oldest players in the competition.
Arthritis comes into it when he has to go in
the arctic conditions of the Penguins. They could have been excuse,
this is where you send the young bucks. But it's
great to see. I heard both these boys talk about
this as well and how much it means to them
to be involved in this game on Monday. So everyone's
doing their bit.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Jered, everyone, players.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Administrations, mcg Melbourne, Collingwood. Come on, fans, get there, get
a lot to that game by yourself. For Beanie. You
can buy digital Beanie as well if you can't get
there and you want to contribute still and you have
your name recognized. But let's feel this ground on Monday
in a big, big way. And I know for Neil
it would be something that Philly's heart. So that's what
(08:15):
we want to achieve, So let's do it.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
What are Tuesday favorites? That is all right? More of
that Tomorrow night as well. Let's get into the agenda.
And James Cicily is injured as had been widely suspected
and speculated upon and has seemed perfectly obvious watching him
play in recent weeks. The Hawks skipper was struggling. The
medical decision was taken today to put him on ice.
(08:37):
As it were, he won't play again before at least
round sixteen. Despite the protestations of last week.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
His groins are fine, He's going to are fine, fine,
he's playing every week. There's no reason that he's kicking
has anything to do with this groins. He's going to
are fine, and he kicked the ball reasonably well last week.
I thought, go watch all of his kicks and tell
me which ones you thought he could do better.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Bring me back, show me some vision. But I'm really
with how he's kicking.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
I can get you all the kicks that he's done
that hardly anyone else in the competition can pull off,
and he's on them over the last month. So the
kicking is that that is a storm in a tea cup.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I've seen this for decades when the clubs actually do
themselves any favors. In this moment, it has been perfectly
obvious watching James sicily that he is not the player
that he is capable and has previously been.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, look, it makes it. I think it makes them
look a bit silly. Let's be kind and generous. You
can go a bit harder if you want, but it
just as you say. This has been part of the
wrestle for clubs for a long long time, but even
back when I was playing, do you say? And then
in the end what happens is you don't do the
player justice because Sam goes out and defends him because
he thinks he's doing the right thing as the coach,
(09:44):
and then he goes and has six touches and can't run,
and then you know he We are on Tuesday going,
oh yeah, I know what we said, but it's fired
up post the Collingwood game. We all know what's going on.
So I don't think it does the club or the
player any good. I think being open and transparent is
probably the best way. I don't have to tell everyone,
but there's no harm in saying, look, yeah, he's struggling
with whatever. We're going to keep playing him because we
(10:06):
think we can get him through. But you know, if
it comes a time where he needs the rest, he
needs the rest, and then today we would have went, well,
fair enough, you did your best. But yeah, we talked
last night. We don't have to go back over it,
but under siege, deflect, deny, defy you no, no, no, no.
Now they come out today and concede, confess and be
can try it. It's just a bit chilly.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
So there are two big games, are they The buyer
is still a little way off for them, and they've
got the Bulldogs and adelaide knowing that the set of
games that they've lost to the contenders with two more
to come, so there's no under estimating what he's.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
There's not, so they're going to have to bring in
back up out of the VFL. The players have been
looking for a chance, so this says they not becomes
enormous again. So we can't wait for it to come around.
But hasn't been as we said, it hasn't been a
great week for him, but it's not disastrous. They can
get it. They can get it right from him.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Hip and abdominal issues or what's been declared. Everyone thinks
it's groin so one day, one day know for sure.
The most emotional scenes at the weekend emanated out of
the Giants and callen Ward one of the most admired
veterans in the game. We all watched this and feared
the worst, and the worst was relays to Cal yesterday
(11:14):
when he met with the surgeon. It is an ACL,
so this had set up as one more dash out
at the family had moved back to Melbourne. He would
stay and play his footy with the Giants. It had
tremendously emotional impacts on all who saw it, from the
crowd to his teammates, initially for worse and then for better.
We asked Callen Ward if he'd prepared to join us tonight,
(11:36):
and he is one of the great men of football
and he has accepted that. Cal. It's great to have
you with us on three sixty. Thanks a lot, Thanks
guys for.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Having me on.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Hey go, how are you going? I reckon, it's the question.
I'm not too bad. I'm pretty good.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
I'm here in Melbourne with the family, which is always nice.
They got the news yesterday, which I knew was coming
anyway on New Astralia. I've done the OCL so to
par disappoint him, but at the same time, I'm happy
to be here and I just move on from it now.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
How are your spirits? Yeah, spirits very okay.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
I'm disappointed, obviously, I'm angry. I'm sad, I'm you know, emotional,
probably hasn't quite hit me yet, but I'm just flat
that I can't help the boys. And you know, I've
always wanted to play in a Premiership and that's probably
been taken away from me a little bit unless I
go on after this, which I'm not sure. But yeah,
I'm flat about all that. But at the same time,
I'm so grateful for the opportunity I've had for a
(12:27):
long time. And I've been one of the you know
one I like you ones where I've played over three
hundred games, I've played for eight en years.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So I'm so grateful for that.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Cow.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I feel for you too, mate, we're thinking of you.
Can you tell take us back to the decision to
play on because it's been reported your family comes back
to Melbourne, maybe that you were going to follow and
cool time on what's been an outstanding career. But there
you are up in Sydney with your family back here.
It's a big commitment. How did that come about?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Yeah, we decided to do the long distance on the
back of Ruby's mum's a little bit sick, so she
wanted to spend some time with her and look after
her in Melbourne, which was always going to happen, and
take the kids.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
So when we.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Spoke about doing the long distance, we knew that be
challenges with that, but it's something that Ruby really encouraged
me to do. And obviously I love playing football and
everyone says you're a long time retired, so you try
and play for as long as you can. And obviously
the pursuit of a premiership is really important to me
as well as my family, So to make both things
work has been really important for me. And yeah, it's great,
really well up until this point. So yeah, I mean
(13:30):
that's the reason that we get in the first place.
And it's all been good so far until.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Emotional Yeah, till now of course the emotional scenes. Yeah,
when you did your need, then the lucky whitfield and
then tell us about the three quarter time comes around
and you're sitting there, your whole footy mortality is in
front of you, Your career may or may not be over,
and yet you find the strength and selflessness to step
up and address the playing group. Can you give us
(13:57):
some sort of an insight into how it come about
and what you said?
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Oh, well, I've kind of learned from my years that
it's really important for any injured player to be really positive,
especially on the bench, because it's heartbreaking for the rest
of the team to see injured players on the bench,
and I guess especially a player in my position who's
probably the very end of his career. So, you know,
for me, I was telling myself to be really positive
and to be you know, a good, you know, seanding
(14:23):
board on the bench if I need to be for
the team that was playing, for the players who were playing,
so first and foremost that was my role for the
you know, for the day after I was injured, and
that was really important to me. And then the three
quarter time stuff is on the back of the conversation
I had with King, as he just said, it's really
important that I might speak to the boys, I might
lean on you for a little speech to the boys.
So I kind of had something in the back of
my head.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
But at the same time, King has.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Kind of told me the key messaging, So it's pretty simple.
It's about playing our role and as I said, just
be really positive person, you know, in that group. And
I think that was the most important for me on
the day.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I wondered how you went watching the response is at
home and then we workshopped this last night. Is if
there ever was a group of players in the moment
who showed a leader what he had meant to them,
it was the way they responded to you, was it?
How did you take the last quarter?
Speaker 4 (15:14):
In?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
They were amazing.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
They obviously made me look very good, But it had
nothing to do with what I said.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I don't think.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
It was just the way they played, and I think
I think Richmond probably stopped in that last quarter. You know,
they were pretty fatigued, and we started to play some
good football. So we just started to take the game on,
which is what we know. We're you know, we're good, Adam.
We hadn't done that for a long time, so I
guess the boys turned on in the last quarter. So
I can take a little bit of the credit, but
definitely not.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Much of it. When we have the surgery, what have
you decided at the moment.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
I had a meeting with Julian Feller, surgeon yesterday. Just
had to scan yesterday as well. So at the moment,
the needs through swollen to operate on it. So I've
got to give it a couple of weeks. I'll be
oly laying low here in Malbourne. I think we're booked
on the seventeen Stoning.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Two weeks time to just convention, nothing, nothing radical, just.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Conventional and I'm not doing the large round.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
It was funny when I went down, I kind.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Of thought like we were we up during the season
straight away, I'm like around thirtey and how long we
got to go?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
But I knew that.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Time had run out of it. You know, we've only
got three three months left, so it wasn't possible.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
And you and it's the wrong time to ask, but
beyond this year, you just got to have the surgery
and make that decision.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Then, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I mean, going on this year, the plan was to
play one more and give myself the best chance for
a premiership and that hasn't happened. So I guess I
really haven't really had much time to think about what
my next move I need.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I just want to have the surgery and.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Have some time with the found and started to think
about things after that. But yeah, I think most important
to me now is you have the surgery, look after
the knaby of the family and then get back to
the club and be there.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
For the boys. Well whatever happens. Mate, There's a whole
football public and community that are so supportive. And I
said this last night that all we can hope for
is a footballer as you walk away from the game,
whether it be now, next year or the year after,
with the respect and know that you've given it everything.
And there are few that have been the embodiment of
that more than you. I think so from everyone, congratulations
(17:11):
and hope everything goes well. From a surgical point of view.
You've got a big, long life to live. Maybe a
coaching waiting after the response to your three quarters speech,
and we admire and respect you enormously, mate, I.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Really appreciate that. Boys, thank you very much. So I
will just say quickly, I want to thank the whole
football world, the AFON community, the Giants, other players from
other teams, my family and friend as well. The outpouring
has been absolutely amazing. They've made me feel very special
and very proud over the last few days. I thank
you everyone that's been there for me and it's been awesome,
and thank you for your words.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
So appreciate it. Good on you callim a bards with
us Tonight's really appreciate that, all right? Yeah? What a
good man, what a good man? All right? Thursday night
is going to be a furnace. Just say Friday night,
Friday night, Friday night is going to be a fernace.
When Adelaide the the Lion's meet, so he thought, let's
stoke the furnace up right now.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
You're going tag.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Lucky Neil or here mccluggyacha Anxy.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yes we will, I said, I'll try. What are you bringing,
big o back? Face?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Can't tell you, Jared, I don't like our boys taking
dives like that in the stage we've spoken through.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Oh come on my copper fifteen Josh Shelley.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
For that, there's a line.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
There's a really fine line with it. I mean, if
Josh've got a free kick on that one, there was definitely,
you know, pushing the chest. We've talked about, you know,
what levels we want to be and what sort of
team we want to be areas that we value going forward.
So we'll just keep working our way through those small
things and no one's perfect, guys.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
In my time at the club, this is our best
start to a year at round twelve. Now we're tracking
pretty well given the fact that it was you know,
a shortened pre season we had a lot of surgeries
and things like that. I'm sort of a little bit
surprised or actually where we are at the moment.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Insufficient in ten.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
So this is the out of bounds, deliberate out of
bounds in the SNFL. Here it's last possession out of
bounds and it works, and so at the moment, I
have no idea what the decision will be.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
One of my pet hates in the game, Gary is
the signs that we hold up at the side of
the oble to sort of signify with various plays and
how long was left in the game. Honestly, it's a
dog's breakfast.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
That our guys watched a lot of their footing. It's
one thing to know how they play, it's another thing
to stop them doing what they do really well. That'll
be the big one for us Friday and night. Can
we match it with the best? So we can't wait
for that.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
We've been out to play a lot of these big
games over the last five or six years, so we're
experienced in that regard. But this is one of the
biggest challenges that we've had in a while.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Corner from the old world sport days, there are to
get to lower them ATACKI and the Valentine chocolates.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
All right, what have you got for real or overreaction? Here?
Friday is the biggest game in Matthew Nick's rain.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I think that's real, Jared, I think they want this.
They came to the MCG I did this game a
couple of weeks ago that five points down at halftime,
they were in the contest, got opened up a little
bit in the back half and then kicked the last
two goals close to ten points that are coming again.
So they want this chance against the reigning premiers. And
that is real and I can't wait to see it
unfold for you, as was floated there by Nixy last
(20:34):
touch would make life easier for everyone.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, I think that's real. So this is the natural
evolution of where we're going with in sufficient intent between
the arts and the best bit is there's this huge
body of work that exists in the sanfl It needs
to be studied, those who implemented it, those who police it,
and then what is the impact of it. But from
where we are with anything off the axis, anything skewed,
(20:58):
and then Titan and Titan, and we want the ball
in flow that's been the edict. This does make sense,
and there's not many rule changes that are so laid
out in front of us to make it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Anyway. And it's between the arcs is the key to this.
Anything outside of that, we can still have the good
old fashioned boundary throwing.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Beach sessions are the answer.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Absolutely, pushing, Absolutely, I'm waiting for you to have a
bad night that hasn't happened in the last eight years.
And when you do, I'm going to whip you down
our wood beach cart you out in the dickstickers and
get you into the option. See how you go on
the back of that. See if that can't just sharpen
you up a little bit. So they got out of
(21:42):
there at about twelve o'clock on the on the night of
the game, and they're at the beach by five or
six in the morning. So you know, it's it's old fashioned.
I'm all for it, Jared, anything to try and break
the cycle. I think they did the push ups and
the sit ups and the whole box and dice.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I love the Kennedy's can finish.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Sorry, sorry some ut for my ears more thanks him
and the sur wangon a Miller's signature is more crucial.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Than Tom daconey. Oh, this is an overreaction because, just
like everyone else, I'm assuming they've already got the Tom
dacone in committed.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I'm parking T d K. Surely, aren't you.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I think they've got him. They got him. So their
bird in the hands to my eye, isn't Wangony Miller,
it's actually td CA. And what's the bigger bird. Well,
they're paying for the bigger bird at one point seven.
They're not given Wangony Miller at one point seven.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
They've got to make sure they've got enough left over
because they don't want to lose.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Our players are about to join us, Darcymore and Harry McKay.
We're thrilled to have them together here at the desk
in the studio, the Pies and the Blues represented with
all that's happening for the players in Putting right now
After all that James Cecily is injureds the Hawk Skipper
ruled out of the next two crucial clashes that might
shape his team's fortunates.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
The agony and stoicism of Callen Ward, the injured giant
joins us back in Melbourne as he waits in the reconstruction.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And two of the games pivotal figures are here at
the desk Collingwood captain Darcy Moore and Carlton Ford Harry
McKay joined players Knights. We talked about his step into it,
debrace all of it.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
In the room and eat it.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It's unedifying for a senior coach to do that.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
They're on the side of cautia with the brain, take.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
The man on it.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
They played the best footy I've ever seen at the
start of the season, and injury said president left. The
couple older said, of course they do. It is the
stuff that legends are made of. What is holding the ball?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
I don't think I could answer it clearly right now
that I could do something.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Wrong, you know, and I need to get on the
board sextually.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
The fans lover and with no fans, no through sixty
year old.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
There's a lot to work with this Tuesday night, Gaz
and I know you've had the most wonderful day.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I've had a great day, Jed. I look forward to
sharing it with you. It's a really special occasion.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
A show and tell to come as we start tonight.
Channel seven's News is reporting that Tom Harley is poised
to accept the position as the chief operating Officer at
the AFL and when that comes to pass, it will
complete the most extraordinary recruiting raid on the Northern States. Yesterday,
Greg Swan out of the Brisbane lines. Today Tom Harley
(01:35):
out of the Swans. And think about this triumvirate. So
you've got the leader in Andrew Dillon, you've got the
gray hair who comes in in Greg Swan, and the
hair the next generation leader, Tom Harley.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Two Grand Final CEOs of the Year prior. It is
quite stunning. It is a stunning cup, no two ways
about jured. And as I said, this is your area
more so than mine. But from where I sit, it's
pretty impressive.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It's been decisive and it's been bold and it really
does set the game up for what comes next. Harley
is a premiership captain at Geelong, where he was a
renowned leader as well as been an accomplished player, he
was an excellent media performer. He's been the Swan's chief
executive since twenty nineteen, and he does represent I think
that natural leadership. He is a natural born leader. He's
(02:27):
a modern thinker, he's whip smart, and he is absolutely
the successor when that time comes.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, we've got great communicators, you know, and Andrew's a
bit of a knock on Andrews as the media staff
is not as polished as his predecessors. Well that's okay
if you surround yourself with two really good media performers
like Greg Swan and Tommy Harley. So I think they've
done a really good job, all right.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So we'll wait to see as that comes to hands.
What we have for you tonight's lined up is our players,
Darcy Moore and Harry McKay. Callen Ward is about to
join us, and Ray Chamblain's brought the chicken wings. It'll
be good viewing on midweek Tackle. As they follow the
developments at AFL headquarters. Lauren Wood, John Ralph and Glenn
McFarlan are working the phones as we walked down here.
(03:09):
And then tomorrow night, John Longmiro and Adam Simpson, Simon Goodwin,
a stacked lineup and slider number eight. It will be
our privilege to reveal Matt Tilly is the chief executive
of the M and D setup, and Hannah Monday, who's
with the Vixen's Netball's got its own big Freeze to
set up as well. And this is very much the
Tuesday Favorites is all yours.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, so this is getting bigger and bigger, the big
phrase Big Frieze eleven and it is a momentous occasion
on the calendar and it's delivered us this remarkable human
being by the name of Neil Danaher, who we've all
known as an outstanding footballer, very very good football coach
and now just providing a legacy for future am mend
suffers the likes of which you can't get your head around.
(03:51):
So today at the MCG he did what we haven't
expected him to be able to do, probably for the
last six years, and that is gather himself and get
to the MCG, the home of football, with his beloved
extended family, the Melbourne Football Club. Every single player was
gathered there in the playing list, every member of the administration,
the mcc there as well, and a host of his
former charges that he coached, and this amazing technology this
(04:16):
will we live in Now we've touched on this episode briefly.
New was able to talk, will deliver his message rather
in his own voice, so he uses his eye technology
to identify the words that he wants. But this technology
now delivers this uplifting message every king's birthday match. So
this is a bit I've got for you here which
(04:37):
I loved that. I loved all of it. But he
talks about the two sides of him when he was
first diagnosed, the mister negative and the mister positive.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
And in those early days, I was having a constant
dialogue in my head what I call my mister Negative
and mister Positive voices. Mister Negative was loud, he said,
you're stuffed. There's no coming back from this, And to
be honest, didn't have a great argument against that at
the time. But then eventually mister Positive spoke up and
(05:07):
he asked, how's that working for you? Sitting in misery
listening to that voice in our way, And I had
to admit it wasn't working at all. It was making
me more anxious, more miserable. That was the start of
a shift. I didn't suddenly become a superhero. I didn't
have a plan, but I did realize one thing. If
(05:27):
I kept listening to mister negative, I was already done.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
How a shurdinary is that to sit there and listen
to that. So he talks about that. I loved it
when he says, and then mister positive says, how's that.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Working for him? Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
And so he got moving And this is the over
one hundred million dollars raised, hope now for him and
d sufferers in the future, and a room full of
people who were just all struck to sit there and
watch him deliver that message. So it was a beautiful day.
And I don't never get out and deliver public messages.
But Melbourne support us. Please on Monday, if you can
(06:03):
get to the game, if you're a member, an MCC
member or an AFL member, get there because we want
to get ninety thousand plus. We know the Collingwood fans
will turn up in their draves. Melbourne fans have been
great supporters of this. But when you hear this man
speak and what he's trying to do, he just wants
to see every single seat field and every single head
of a bluebean hill.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yes, it seems like we should do all in our
power to make that happen, so that there's a small
amount of ups for us publicly just privately. Did he
channel a bit of the Reverend and give it the
Melbourne treatment?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yes he did, and he's going to talk to the
Collingwood team tomorrow, so let's be very even handed about this.
And I know how appreciative they are. But there was
a message there for his beloved dep.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Beautiful, beautiful. The big freeze is spreading right around the
country and the Suns did their bit today up on
the Gold Coast, so down the inflatable slide when Bob
easts I thought he wore the pink pretty well. Sally
Pearson who all the son's pink jumper, Brandon Ellis in
the shark suits, Mac Andrew in the budge smugglers.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Not not shy mag that is what we want to see.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
The zel Jones I think might have just had a
little shot of James Magison here a.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Bit beefed up. That is good sport right there, Well done,
Well done to everyone.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Everyone gets asked to do a photo opportunity along the way,
and in these moments, everyone says yes steel side Bottom
and Jake Melcham should they have said yes this one.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
These are two of the oldest players in the competition.
Arthritis comes into it when he has to go in
the arctic conditions of the Penguins. They could have been excuse,
this is where you send the young bucks. But it's
great to see. I heard both these boys talk about
this as well and how much it means to them
to be involved in this game on Monday. So everyone's
doing their bit.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Jered, everyone, players.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Administrations, mcg Melbourne, Collingwood. Come on, fans, get there, get
a lot to that game by yourself. For Beanie. You
can buy digital Beanie as well if you can't get
there and you want to contribute still and you have
your name recognized. But let's feel this ground on Monday
in a big, big way. And I know for Neil
it would be something that Philly's heart. So that's what
(08:15):
we want to achieve, So let's do it.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
What are Tuesday favorites? That is all right? More of
that Tomorrow night as well. Let's get into the agenda.
And James Cicily is injured as had been widely suspected
and speculated upon and has seemed perfectly obvious watching him
play in recent weeks. The Hawks skipper was struggling. The
medical decision was taken today to put him on ice.
(08:37):
As it were, he won't play again before at least
round sixteen. Despite the protestations of last week.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
His groins are fine, He's going to are fine, fine,
he's playing every week. There's no reason that he's kicking
has anything to do with this groins. He's going to
are fine, and he kicked the ball reasonably well last week.
I thought, go watch all of his kicks and tell
me which ones you thought he could do better.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Bring me back, show me some vision. But I'm really
with how he's kicking.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
I can get you all the kicks that he's done
that hardly anyone else in the competition can pull off,
and he's on them over the last month. So the
kicking is that that is a storm in a tea cup.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I've seen this for decades when the clubs actually do
themselves any favors. In this moment, it has been perfectly
obvious watching James sicily that he is not the player
that he is capable and has previously been.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Yeah, look, it makes it. I think it makes them
look a bit silly. Let's be kind and generous. You
can go a bit harder if you want, but it
just as you say. This has been part of the
wrestle for clubs for a long long time, but even
back when I was playing, do you say? And then
in the end what happens is you don't do the
player justice because Sam goes out and defends him because
he thinks he's doing the right thing as the coach,
(09:44):
and then he goes and has six touches and can't run,
and then you know he We are on Tuesday going,
oh yeah, I know what we said, but it's fired
up post the Collingwood game. We all know what's going on.
So I don't think it does the club or the
player any good. I think being open and transparent is
probably the best way. I don't have to tell everyone,
but there's no harm in saying, look, yeah, he's struggling
with whatever. We're going to keep playing him because we
(10:06):
think we can get him through. But you know, if
it comes a time where he needs the rest, he
needs the rest, and then today we would have went, well,
fair enough, you did your best. But yeah, we talked
last night. We don't have to go back over it,
but under siege, deflect, deny, defy you no, no, no, no.
Now they come out today and concede, confess and be
can try it. It's just a bit chilly.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
So there are two big games, are they The buyer
is still a little way off for them, and they've
got the Bulldogs and adelaide knowing that the set of
games that they've lost to the contenders with two more
to come, so there's no under estimating what he's.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
There's not, so they're going to have to bring in
back up out of the VFL. The players have been
looking for a chance, so this says they not becomes
enormous again. So we can't wait for it to come around.
But hasn't been as we said, it hasn't been a
great week for him, but it's not disastrous. They can
get it. They can get it right from him.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Hip and abdominal issues or what's been declared. Everyone thinks
it's groin so one day, one day know for sure.
The most emotional scenes at the weekend emanated out of
the Giants and callen Ward one of the most admired
veterans in the game. We all watched this and feared
the worst, and the worst was relays to Cal yesterday
(11:14):
when he met with the surgeon. It is an ACL,
so this had set up as one more dash out
at the family had moved back to Melbourne. He would
stay and play his footy with the Giants. It had
tremendously emotional impacts on all who saw it, from the
crowd to his teammates, initially for worse and then for better.
We asked Callen Ward if he'd prepared to join us tonight,
(11:36):
and he is one of the great men of football
and he has accepted that. Cal. It's great to have
you with us on three sixty. Thanks a lot, Thanks
guys for.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Having me on.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Hey go, how are you going? I reckon, it's the question.
I'm not too bad. I'm pretty good.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
I'm here in Melbourne with the family, which is always nice.
They got the news yesterday, which I knew was coming
anyway on New Astralia. I've done the OCL so to
par disappoint him, but at the same time, I'm happy
to be here and I just move on from it now.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
How are your spirits? Yeah, spirits very okay.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
I'm disappointed, obviously, I'm angry. I'm sad, I'm you know, emotional,
probably hasn't quite hit me yet, but I'm just flat
that I can't help the boys. And you know, I've
always wanted to play in a Premiership and that's probably
been taken away from me a little bit unless I
go on after this, which I'm not sure. But yeah,
I'm flat about all that. But at the same time,
I'm so grateful for the opportunity I've had for a
(12:27):
long time. And I've been one of the you know
one I like you ones where I've played over three
hundred games, I've played for eight en years.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So I'm so grateful for that.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Cow.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I feel for you too, mate, we're thinking of you.
Can you tell take us back to the decision to
play on because it's been reported your family comes back
to Melbourne, maybe that you were going to follow and
cool time on what's been an outstanding career. But there
you are up in Sydney with your family back here.
It's a big commitment. How did that come about?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Yeah, we decided to do the long distance on the
back of Ruby's mum's a little bit sick, so she
wanted to spend some time with her and look after
her in Melbourne, which was always going to happen, and
take the kids.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
So when we.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Spoke about doing the long distance, we knew that be
challenges with that, but it's something that Ruby really encouraged
me to do. And obviously I love playing football and
everyone says you're a long time retired, so you try
and play for as long as you can. And obviously
the pursuit of a premiership is really important to me
as well as my family, So to make both things
work has been really important for me. And yeah, it's great,
really well up until this point. So yeah, I mean
(13:30):
that's the reason that we get in the first place.
And it's all been good so far until.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Emotional Yeah, till now of course the emotional scenes. Yeah,
when you did your need, then the lucky whitfield and
then tell us about the three quarter time comes around
and you're sitting there, your whole footy mortality is in
front of you, Your career may or may not be over,
and yet you find the strength and selflessness to step
up and address the playing group. Can you give us
(13:57):
some sort of an insight into how it come about
and what you said?
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Oh, well, I've kind of learned from my years that
it's really important for any injured player to be really positive,
especially on the bench, because it's heartbreaking for the rest
of the team to see injured players on the bench,
and I guess especially a player in my position who's
probably the very end of his career. So, you know,
for me, I was telling myself to be really positive
and to be you know, a good, you know, seanding
(14:23):
board on the bench if I need to be for
the team that was playing, for the players who were playing,
so first and foremost that was my role for the
you know, for the day after I was injured, and
that was really important to me. And then the three
quarter time stuff is on the back of the conversation
I had with King, as he just said, it's really
important that I might speak to the boys, I might
lean on you for a little speech to the boys.
So I kind of had something in the back of
my head.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
But at the same time, King has.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Kind of told me the key messaging, So it's pretty simple.
It's about playing our role and as I said, just
be really positive person, you know, in that group. And
I think that was the most important for me on
the day.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I wondered how you went watching the response is at
home and then we workshopped this last night. Is if
there ever was a group of players in the moment
who showed a leader what he had meant to them,
it was the way they responded to you, was it?
How did you take the last quarter?
Speaker 4 (15:14):
In?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
They were amazing.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
They obviously made me look very good, But it had
nothing to do with what I said.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I don't think.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
It was just the way they played, and I think
I think Richmond probably stopped in that last quarter. You know,
they were pretty fatigued, and we started to play some
good football. So we just started to take the game on,
which is what we know. We're you know, we're good, Adam.
We hadn't done that for a long time, so I
guess the boys turned on in the last quarter. So
I can take a little bit of the credit, but
definitely not.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Much of it. When we have the surgery, what have
you decided at the moment.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
I had a meeting with Julian Feller, surgeon yesterday. Just
had to scan yesterday as well. So at the moment,
the needs through swollen to operate on it. So I've
got to give it a couple of weeks. I'll be
oly laying low here in Malbourne. I think we're booked
on the seventeen Stoning.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Two weeks time to just convention, nothing, nothing radical, just.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Conventional and I'm not doing the large round.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
It was funny when I went down, I kind.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Of thought like we were we up during the season
straight away, I'm like around thirtey and how long we
got to go?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
But I knew that.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Time had run out of it. You know, we've only
got three three months left, so it wasn't possible.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
And you and it's the wrong time to ask, but
beyond this year, you just got to have the surgery
and make that decision.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Then, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I mean, going on this year, the plan was to
play one more and give myself the best chance for
a premiership and that hasn't happened. So I guess I
really haven't really had much time to think about what
my next move I need.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I just want to have the surgery and.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Have some time with the found and started to think
about things after that. But yeah, I think most important
to me now is you have the surgery, look after
the knaby of the family and then get back to
the club and be there.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
For the boys. Well whatever happens. Mate, There's a whole
football public and community that are so supportive. And I
said this last night that all we can hope for
is a footballer as you walk away from the game,
whether it be now, next year or the year after,
with the respect and know that you've given it everything.
And there are few that have been the embodiment of
that more than you. I think so from everyone, congratulations
(17:11):
and hope everything goes well. From a surgical point of view.
You've got a big, long life to live. Maybe a
coaching waiting after the response to your three quarters speech,
and we admire and respect you enormously, mate, I.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Really appreciate that. Boys, thank you very much. So I
will just say quickly, I want to thank the whole
football world, the AFON community, the Giants, other players from
other teams, my family and friend as well. The outpouring
has been absolutely amazing. They've made me feel very special
and very proud over the last few days. I thank
you everyone that's been there for me and it's been awesome,
and thank you for your words.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
So appreciate it. Good on you callim a bards with
us Tonight's really appreciate that, all right? Yeah? What a
good man, what a good man? All right? Thursday night
is going to be a furnace. Just say Friday night,
Friday night, Friday night is going to be a fernace.
When Adelaide the the Lion's meet, so he thought, let's
stoke the furnace up right now.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
You're going tag.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Lucky Neil or here mccluggyacha Anxy.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yes we will, I said, I'll try. What are you bringing,
big o back? Face?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Can't tell you, Jared, I don't like our boys taking
dives like that in the stage we've spoken through.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Oh come on my copper fifteen Josh Shelley.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
For that, there's a line.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
There's a really fine line with it. I mean, if
Josh've got a free kick on that one, there was definitely,
you know, pushing the chest. We've talked about, you know,
what levels we want to be and what sort of
team we want to be areas that we value going forward.
So we'll just keep working our way through those small
things and no one's perfect, guys.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
In my time at the club, this is our best
start to a year at round twelve. Now we're tracking
pretty well given the fact that it was you know,
a shortened pre season we had a lot of surgeries
and things like that. I'm sort of a little bit
surprised or actually where we are at the moment.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Insufficient in ten.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
So this is the out of bounds, deliberate out of
bounds in the SNFL. Here it's last possession out of
bounds and it works, and so at the moment, I
have no idea what the decision will be.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
One of my pet hates in the game, Gary is
the signs that we hold up at the side of
the oble to sort of signify with various plays and
how long was left in the game. Honestly, it's a
dog's breakfast.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
That our guys watched a lot of their footing. It's
one thing to know how they play, it's another thing
to stop them doing what they do really well. That'll
be the big one for us Friday and night. Can
we match it with the best? So we can't wait
for that.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
We've been out to play a lot of these big
games over the last five or six years, so we're
experienced in that regard. But this is one of the
biggest challenges that we've had in a while.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Corner from the old world sport days, there are to
get to lower them ATACKI and the Valentine chocolates.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
All right, what have you got for real or overreaction? Here?
Friday is the biggest game in Matthew Nick's rain.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I think that's real, Jared, I think they want this.
They came to the MCG I did this game a
couple of weeks ago that five points down at halftime,
they were in the contest, got opened up a little
bit in the back half and then kicked the last
two goals close to ten points that are coming again.
So they want this chance against the reigning premiers. And
that is real and I can't wait to see it
unfold for you, as was floated there by Nixy last
(20:34):
touch would make life easier for everyone.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, I think that's real. So this is the natural
evolution of where we're going with in sufficient intent between
the arts and the best bit is there's this huge
body of work that exists in the sanfl It needs
to be studied, those who implemented it, those who police it,
and then what is the impact of it. But from
where we are with anything off the axis, anything skewed,
(20:58):
and then Titan and Titan, and we want the ball
in flow that's been the edict. This does make sense,
and there's not many rule changes that are so laid
out in front of us to make it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Anyway. And it's between the arcs is the key to this.
Anything outside of that, we can still have the good
old fashioned boundary throwing.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Beach sessions are the answer.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Absolutely, pushing, Absolutely, I'm waiting for you to have a
bad night that hasn't happened in the last eight years.
And when you do, I'm going to whip you down
our wood beach cart you out in the dickstickers and
get you into the option. See how you go on
the back of that. See if that can't just sharpen
you up a little bit. So they got out of
(21:42):
there at about twelve o'clock on the on the night of
the game, and they're at the beach by five or
six in the morning. So you know, it's it's old fashioned.
I'm all for it, Jared, anything to try and break
the cycle. I think they did the push ups and
the sit ups and the whole box and dice.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I love the Kennedy's can finish.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Sorry, sorry some ut for my ears more thanks him
and the sur wangon a Miller's signature is more crucial.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Than Tom daconey. Oh, this is an overreaction because, just
like everyone else, I'm assuming they've already got the Tom
dacone in committed.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
I'm parking T d K. Surely, aren't you.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I think they've got him. They got him. So their
bird in the hands to my eye, isn't Wangony Miller,
it's actually td CA. And what's the bigger bird. Well,
they're paying for the bigger bird at one point seven.
They're not given Wangony Miller at one point seven.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
They've got to make sure they've got enough left over
because they don't want to lose.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Our players are about to join us, Darcymore and Harry McKay.
We're thrilled to have them together here at the desk
in the studio, the Pies and the Blues represented with
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Ridiculous History
History is beautiful, brutal and, often, ridiculous. Join Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown as they dive into some of the weirdest stories from across the span of human civilization in Ridiculous History, a podcast by iHeartRadio.