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June 20, 2025 87 mins

Ed Newton-Rex joins me to discuss the issue of AI models trained on copyrighted data, and how we might develop fairer approaches that respect human creators. We talk about AI-generated music, Ed’s decision to resign from Stability AI, the industry’s attitude towards rights, authenticity in AI-generated art, and what the future holds for creators, society, and living standards in an increasingly AI-driven world.  

Learn more about Ed's work here: https://ed.newtonrex.com  

Timestamps:  

00:00:00 Preview and intro  

00:04:18 AI-generated music  

00:12:15 Resigning from Stability AI  

00:16:20 AI industry attitudes towards rights 

00:26:22 Fairly Trained  

00:37:16 Special kinds of training data  

00:50:42 The longer-term future of AI  

00:56:09 Will AI improve living standards?  

01:03:10 AI versions of artists  

01:13:28 Authenticity and art  

01:18:45 Competitive pressures in AI 

01:24:06 Priorities going forward

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