December 10, 2024 • 48 mins
He was just trying to make a play … and it cost them. Our own special teams ace, Jesse, does a great job of deconstructing what happened on the blocked punt and the ensuing recovery by the Bengals. Plus, when it came down to “Who’s going to make the play?” Cincinnati turned to Joe Burrow and Ja’Marr Chase. Why didn’t the Cowboys turn to Rico Dowdle?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Now your hosts Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and
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Shooting Tuesday, not victory Tuesday.
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What a kick in the junk man. Looking live at
Tostitos Championship Plaza, it looks as sad as we do today.
There's nobody out there.
Speaker 6 (00:49):
It's kind of dark.
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Outside Fort Senate at the Star in Frisco, Texas.
Speaker 7 (00:54):
Well.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
At least winners got here. It's forty nine degrees feels
like thirty three. The highest fifty one. The low is
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before Christmas?
Speaker 6 (01:30):
I hope it is not the nineteen.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Good news mom bought the stuff to make Simon rolls
becoming picture music on that. No matter what you see there.
But man, lots to talk about, Jesse, this, this is
gonna be a show for you. We got to talk
special teams with all the special got talk, so we'll
(01:58):
get into that in a minute. Kurt, how are you
you good?
Speaker 8 (02:00):
Good?
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Good?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Jesse good?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Nate?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I like your fit too, How are you?
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Yeah? I'm great?
Speaker 8 (02:06):
Man?
Speaker 4 (02:07):
How cold was it out there?
Speaker 6 (02:09):
It was just pretty pretty breezy? Yeah it waseze, babe, boy,
I'm good, I'm good. We rat where we need to
be right now. Not on the field.
Speaker 7 (02:18):
Your boy, your boy helpless ain't help us yesterday?
Speaker 6 (02:21):
Who is my boy? You?
Speaker 7 (02:24):
You out like a game like yesterday. I don't know
what side of the fencer you want. Are you salivating
Joe Burrow or are you upset over your boy? I'm
just coach from Pittsburgh of destructstruck.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
He got to see some some fresh blood on the
offensive line. You have to see the young guys play,
which probably soon we'll get to see a lot more
of the young guys playing but initial thoughts. Kurt just
on the game. It was close, by the way. Congratulations
to the Voice of Reason, the only person on the
show to pick the being to win. He had the
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Bengals thirty three Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
I don't want to all the time. Yeah, I don't
want to.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Jesse Holly special teams guru that will break.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
Down what you call it didn't come true though.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
It did not. Gessei has more than fifty yards and
six or more catches. Yea, so he did not.
Speaker 7 (03:19):
He did not. He had three for twenty four, but
he didn't need to.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Chase said, hold my beard, I got you. I got
your back.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
B Yeah, I got more than what I got. I
got what you want. I got what you needed.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
It was fun to watch. If you're a Bengals fan,
you know the roof was open, it was beautiful. The
Simpsons simulcast was going on.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
Check I didn't.
Speaker 8 (03:40):
I turned it off for about five minutes. I heard.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
It wasn't terrible.
Speaker 8 (03:43):
No, it was actually better than I thought.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
Yeah, it was prisile.
Speaker 9 (03:46):
I mean the technology was getting an actual game playing
and leads to Simpson run for the Homer.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Intercepted bar Yeah, it was really cool, but Kurt initial
thoughts kick us off.
Speaker 9 (03:58):
Well, it was disappointing for sure. I mean, you hate
to lose close when the game you had a chance
to win so close. No, it's so close. So yeah,
but you know, besides that, the injuries on top of
that made it even even worse.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Thoughts and thoughts definitely go out to overshell Man talking
about it just hurt. That hurt my soul. Yeah, especially
when you heard this morning that it might trickle over
into next year.
Speaker 7 (04:28):
So yeah, I just Mozzie screwed us again.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Hell, I don't say that. I don't say that.
Speaker 9 (04:38):
Well, I mean, and it just seems, you know, like
the final nail and whatever.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
Hopes there were.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Mathematically you're still alive.
Speaker 8 (04:45):
Still alive.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
But you know, yeah, what about you, Nate Overall thoughts,
I'm good man, all right, Yes, you know.
Speaker 8 (04:57):
What side of the fence he's on. Then I guess.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It's in the past.
Speaker 7 (05:03):
You know, good teams find different ways to win football.
Get look at Kansas City, look at Detroit, look at Philadelphia.
Bad teams find different ways to lose games. And I
think you saw, you know, look at Carolina, look at
the Bengals, and they're losing streak and look at the Cowboys.
(05:24):
It's it's it's a consistent pattern of the comedy of
eerrors that happened throughout a game, whether it be from
the sideline, from coaching, whether it be on the field,
from players. You just see those things continue to pop
up in moments where you need guys to be at
(05:44):
their best. Sometimes you just need guys to do simple
things and they they they don't and your team loses
because of it. And there are I mean when you
go back and you watch this game. Even when I
got in late last night from doing my post game show,
couldn't sleep, just you know, adrenaline is going. You're just up,
you know, trying to calm your mind. And I start
(06:05):
watching some of the game back last night, and you
just start seeing, man like this was this, this, this, this,
and and no one thing is you can say loses
games for you, but there are definite things where you
look at and you go, this is what happens to
bad football teams. Yeah, so such as life. In the
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words of the great Bill Parcells, you are what's your
record says you are?
Speaker 6 (06:32):
You are tough?
Speaker 7 (06:33):
One man?
Speaker 8 (06:33):
What about you?
Speaker 7 (06:35):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
This dude, you see his dress? Tell you about it.
He's ready to go up in the Marcasall Hills and
hide Mexico.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
What I read.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I foreshadowed this season by booking my trip, and you know,
but I do that every year. I mean, it was hard,
It was it was heartbreaking. The injuries were tough, and
for the first time this year, I you could feel
this meant something to the guys. You know, you see
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Michael on the sideline and at first when when you know,
the special teams play happened, and Mike's over there waving
his hands and he's like, come on, manute, like you know,
and I'm like, I was kind of upset because I
was like, he's he's basically calling his teammate out on
national TV without saying anything about it. But then the
game ended and he went straight to the locker. He
(07:27):
wasn't swapping jerseys, he wasn't out there yucking it up,
and I was like, you know what, good showing some
like showing some emotion, pissed off like mad. You know,
maybe this is the spark that like turns him into
a dog, you know, because we always talk about he'll
go on his pocket and we'll see tonight if he
has his podcast what he says, But this meant something
(07:49):
to him. And it's weird because they're basically out of
the playoffs. There was almost no hope. But they were
pissed last night. They were upset.
Speaker 9 (07:57):
It was like, you know, there's the worst losses, maybe
worse than the last year's playoff, you know, and this one,
that's what he said. He said, it maybe felt worse
than last year's playoff.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Long he got a concussion, So I mean, you gotta
he gotta check that man. For there's three losses this
season that was worse than what happened last year.
Speaker 9 (08:16):
I think I wondered if it was more like and
those losses, they are so blown out by the fourth quarter,
they've already kind of gone to the emotions of this sucked.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
They had dealt with it, Yeah, when they had dealt
with it.
Speaker 8 (08:27):
Were this one was still kind of fresh and raw.
They went right in the long and you.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
And you it was right there and they probably have
heard about Joe Burrow all week long and Jamar Chase
and they had.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
Him beat and then they had him beat.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Well you could have I mean, you had a chance
to beat him, you know, I mean, you had a chance.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
To Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow did what they wanted. Yeah,
throughout that game. I mean, Joe Burrow was over three
hundred yards passing. It was looking he looked great. I mean,
Michael was partners of Michael was upset. Mike had a
really good game. He had nine pressures, the only second
time in his career where he had at least nine
pressures and no sacks. He was chasing Joe Burrow all
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day long and could not get to him like that.
That's part of the frustration as well, frien him. He's like, man,
I'm out here humping and working my tail off to
try to get to this joker, and I can't get
to him. And then on the back end he's completing passes.
So it's like I'm trying, We're trying. I'm definitely trying,
(09:26):
and we I'm unsuccessful, and then I'm getting no help
on the back end because he's throwing dots to Jamar Chase.
I mean, when you go fourteen for one to seventy
seven to two touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
You know, yeah, he did it so smooth. He did
it so smooth that one seventy seven and the way
that Joe Burrows would let Michael just think he got it.
I'm like a mat at all. I remember one time
Michael was coming from the right side. He waited till
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it last second. Man, it just duck. These shoulders stepped up.
I don't say to myself that right there is priceless
fellas you would die, not nover manter, that's too strong
word you would as a coach to be at the
end of a game. Both coaches sitting over there. All
we need is one play and Jesse's gonna break this
(10:21):
play down some time during our show. And uh, but
you can't tell me. I don't be You don't been
in these game with brother. Who gonna make this play?
One with the dummy or the smart and who's gonna
but who's gonna make this play? You couldn't tell me.
You you you can go. This game makes you tired
(10:45):
because it's the roller coaster of emotions. Is so great.
And regardless of what you think about uh uh, Cincinnati's defense,
they were playing. They were playing tough. Regardless of what
you thought about our offense. They was hanging in there,
they was they was, they was moving the ball down
the field, they were sputtering out, They was making some
(11:07):
bad plays coaches and players, but to get on with
a minute or two left and this thing twenty twenty,
and you can make the difference. You can make the difference.
And that is where me and Jessic gonna always be
on the same page. When my Joel's it is better
than your Joe.
Speaker 10 (11:29):
Come on man, literally yes, yes, yeah, tougher man, tough,
tough to I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
If like that was that game?
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Do you need a cleansing?
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Almost meant nothing, like, okay, you win it, so what
you won, you put three together, but it just it
was just so defeating.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
You know, to us only outside. Now I sit on
the outside. Now it means nothing. Those guys, it means
everything right there. Because they win that game last night.
That's three in a row. They're still believing. The hope
is still there, the joy in going out and playing
again is still there. And now you start looking around,
(12:18):
you like, hold on, we can get four. It gets Carolina,
you know, then maybe a fifth forgets and then the
last two we'll we'll see how that goes and maybe
we get some help. Maybe they you know, Philadelphia might
be imploding again. What they got going on with their
receiver and and and and uh and quarterback and what
some other guys are saying about it. So that still
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gives you hope. And the one thing I do want
to I want to say before we go to break
because we we we laughingly joke about it, Fans talk
about it and push forward and you know they got
tank websites and all that kind of sh stuff. And
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another thing that Nate and I will always agree on.
You start talking about tanking man, and you know when
it doesn't matter, what does it matter? Dumarron overshow might might?
We don't know what his injury is. He can probably
never play football again. You think he's thinking about tanking
(13:22):
a game. And that's what we're talking about from a
player's perspective, is you are playing in a one hundred
percent hurt business. Now. I hope and I pray like legitimately.
I ain't just talking like I legitimately prayed that for him,
and I hope that this young man is able to
come back from what this injury is. But when you
start talking about ligaments and and and stuff like that,
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that's that's that's serious. That ain't just that we go
back in there. We just you know, we fix the ACL.
You know doctor Cooper can do that in his sleep, right, Like,
oh yeah, ACL, But we'll do that. When you start
talking about ligaments, now you start needing things to refire
and rejuvenate and those things get working again. That's a
fifty to fifty crapshoot. That's not guaranteed when they go
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in there that they're gonna just all work back together
as one and everything's gonna be hunky dory and we're
gonna get out of here. So when people talk about, oh, tank, tank, tank,
lose game, lose game, lose games, what does it matter?
What does it matter? That's why it matters. That's why
guys go out there each and every week because and
you know why it was so devastating to guys like Micah,
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to guys like Kendricks and other folks. While that locker
room seems so dim and I said this earlier. You
take a guy like Eric Kendricks who's been in this
league for ten years. What sometimes happens is that you
lose the joy of football. It becomes a job, and
you sometimes are searching and trying to find that youth
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full joy that you once had when you were a
first year guy, when you or a second year god
that dies at times, not for everybody, but a lot
of times, that joy dies and you it becomes work.
And then you insert a guy like Demarvin Overshown who
had that youthful joy, who played with that youthful fun spirit,
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who gave you the good feeling again. And when you're
a veteran guy like that, and I'll put Mike in
that mixture. He's been around for a little bit. And
then because when you're losing and things aren't going right
like it makes it difficult to come to work. And
then you get around a guy like like like Themarian
and you go, it's fun again. That's what That's what
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it means. That's what it means, not all. You know,
you get involved with the business and people start telling
you when trying to you know, tell you what you're
worth and what you're not worth, and all the other
kind of stuff that kills the joy. That that kills
the joy from it all. And then you're able to
get back in the situation from God that you see
in that locker room and going, that's the joy that
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I need to give back to. You told me about
two months ago about a situation and you said, you said, Jesse,
you're one of the most positive people that I know,
but this situation it's tearing you down.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Man.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
And I went home with that and I said, you're right,
that won't that. I cannot give that thing any more
of my positive Villa can't take my joy. And you
insert a guy liked Maarian and he goes he's he's
inserted joy. He's giving joy back to football when he
goes out there in the practice field and he's running
around and he's enthusiastic and he's yelling and he's that's
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why guys felt that way about him last night. So
when you're thinking about and talking about tanking and you
hear Nate on myself say things Abody like I don't
know about that, it's because you never know. In this business,
that's one hundred hurt. I've said this before and I'll
say it again. Sometimes in this game it takes from
you more than you're willing to give, and you don't
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have a say so winning and Marvin will be dealing
with this second ACL injury plus whatever the other thing
that has to happen with that. It's a it's a
tough deal.
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Speaker 6 (20:09):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
All right, do we want to break the play down
or we want to wait till you later.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Come on, let's just get it out Jesse.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
All right, we have our special teams here, and he
didn't talk enough in the first segment, so we'll let
him have the whole second segment, hopefully not maybe have
a segment to break down because when we came in,
I asked Jesse off the air, because we like to
bring our off the air.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
That's what we do nothing.
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That's why we're called Hanging with the boys, because there's
nothing off limits. We just whatever we talk about, we
talk about. If he felt bad.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
We'll bring that infection you got next week. Do what
an infection you telling us?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
About oh yeah, yeah, that can wait. It's not that
imortant if he felt if he felt bad for uh
A warrior, A warrior, thank you for the help, and
he said absolutely not. So one walk us through what happened,
because we there's been a lot of talk about what
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Jerry said right after the game about you know, we
would like to have that one back, and you know,
in all this and everybody's if you listen to the
local media around here, everybody's losing their mind. Like I
don't thought Jerry for say that, because right after the game,
he doesn't have all the information, like he's just watching
as a fan, and then he goes back and gets
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between you and I.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
That's why he probably shouldn't be talking.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Hey, but hey, it's good for us because we have
things to talk about. But you know, he doesn't have
all the information. And then you know, he goes and
gets it and then it is what it is. But
in the heat of the moment, it's like, hey, you know,
he thought they were trying to block a punt in
that situation, didn't agree with it, said it, and then
he got more information and he kind of just everybody
around here is losing their minds. I don't have a
problem with it. But Jesse walk us through what that
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play was, what it was supposed to be. Is a
big deal being made about They didn't have the pump
block on, but they were able to get to it.
Why does that make a difference? And then was it
a blown assignment?
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Should you know?
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Obviously everybody should have just gotten away. But you tell
us from your point of view, knowing how that works,
how do you practice it, what do you do during practice,
and why that shouldn't happen.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Yeah, So let's start with you know, look at the
down and distance and where you're at on the football field. Right,
the game is in, it's in balance, right, it's twenty twenty.
At that point in time, the defense gets to stop, right,
they get to stop now. The Bengals are coming out
to punt the ball. Just for any for clarity, there
was not a pump block on. They were setting up
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the return one. You can tell they're seting up a
re term because they ended up vicing the left gunner,
which is so the gunner is a guy who you
see on the outside like a receiver. They're running out
and trying to the first guy down there. So uh,
that's where that's where Oorea is and Kemon Hall. You
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see the other two guys to two off backers off
and inside on the punt return to vice means two
guys on one.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Guy guy grab him and try to assault.
Speaker 7 (23:19):
It's basically assault and they let you just assault the
guy you know, all the way down the field. And
and so what ends up happening is you see them
do a little bit of a shift. But that's just
the numbers. When you start looking at the numbers, there's
enough guys for the Bengals to block whoever the Cowboys
were gonna send. There was no blitz happening. Once you
see the ball is snapped, you see them set up
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a return. They're trying to get a return because at
the end of the day, they know indoors, Brandon Aubrey's
good for sixty five plus Like you, you kind of
have that in your back pocket, so we can get
any any bit of return because from where they were
punting from, you wasn't gonna really be able to flip
the field that much. Too successful plays. And now I'm
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in field goal range. I can run this thing out.
Brandon Aubrey come in and kick the other game in
the field goal. Now what you saw was Nick Visual
who just flat out whooped the guard. The guard lunge
Nick Visual got around. Now this is me being nitpicky.
But when you start talking about the details within the game,
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So Nick Visual whoops the guard and he's supposed to
continue on. But what you saw Nick do and this
is not me blaming Nick. I'm giving you the nitpicky
details of how you're supposed to block a punt. When
you watch the play Nick, hands are up and he
swipes down. Okay, what you're taught is if you have
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the ability to block a punt, we don't want to
go hands up. We don't want to swipe down one.
We might miss it. If our hands are apart, you
might miss it and kicks it right through your hands.
What's you're taught is like a diver, like think Michael
Phelps when he goes off of the platform. You're thinking
about this, right, Your hands are supposed to look like
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this so that there is no space for that ball
to get through. My eyes down are on the foot
of the punter. I want to take the I want
to take the ball off the foot of the punter.
So when I come in. I don't want to come
swiping down because if I miss the punter, I want
to take the ball right off his foot because if
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I get it, the double thug poo poo. Even if
I hit him doesn't matter. But if I don't get it,
his foot goes up. I go underneath him. No flag.
So what Nick did? He gets through, but you see
his hands are up and he swipes down. Now here's
also why it's important. If Nick comes in with the
diver hands right when he gets the ball, the ball
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now goes this way, and it's behind the line of scrimmage.
So even if you try to get on it and
don't get on it, they don't get the ball back.
But Nick comes up, swipes down, ball goes off his fingertips,
and now the ball proceeds to go past the line
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of scrimmage. But what it also did was when you
start talking about the way that that weird the ball
was spinning, it was because it caught the fingertips of
Nick's hand. Now the second part about it. You're outside,
if you're a wall error in your keymon hall and
you're vising right, you hear the double thud. You hear it.
(26:36):
I've I've had a punt blocked on me fingertips. You
hear it, you hear it. And then on top of that,
someone is probably yelling Peter, Peter, Peter, or poison, poison, poison.
You hope it's the guys who are able to see
the ball, mainly being Cavante Turpin. And you see Cavante
running up the field, and I'm hoping that he's yelling Peter, Peter, Peter, poison, poison, poison, either.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
One, which means get the hell away from the get.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
Away from the ball. You don't want to touch poison,
you don't want to touch the Peter, right, neither one
of them. That's the origin of Peter, Peter, Peter. And
so now if you watch it, Keemon Hall stops. Now
he and Oreate are vising they're together. He stops and
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gets out the way Oi turns, and when you watch him,
the ball bounces side note oriate. If you want to
know how it's done, just go back and watch me
do it. And the Vikings game a couple of years ago,
a lot of years ago. And that's how you catch
a two bouncer and take it back a yards for
a touchdown. Now that's either way.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
But you see, I always make the show about myself.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
You gave me the you gave me the one. I
brought it up. So you see O warreate. And this
is where this is where you have to understand.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Dude.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
When you hit balichex, say do your job. I don't
need you to be the hero here. What we now
need is for that ball to stay hours. But a
warrior looks at the ball and you see him get
into a curt your baseball guy. He gets it to
that shortstop stands and he's he's ready to kind of
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attack that ball like you're gonna catch it and throw it.
Throw a guy out at first right home. And you
see him looking at the ball and he's getting ready
to attack it. And the ball bounces and the second bounce,
remember that weird spin I was telling you about. On
the second bounce, he caught the weird looking spin and
he thought it was gonna cradle right into his gut.
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Instead it bounced and took the weird spin and it
went off his He was trying to like scoop it
and it went off his his arm, shoulder, whatever it was,
and they were able to get the ball back. Here's
another funny thing. The guy that Nick visual beat, he
lost his job and got it back in ten seconds.
The guard that Nick vigiill beat number forty five was
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actually the same guy who recovered the ball after a
Warria touched it. So and people are gonna say, well,
Bone should have said to him, don't do No, that's
not a conversation they're having about that, because Bones is like,
we got a return set up, so I don't have
to tell y'all, hey say off the punter. No, da
da a Warea is a six year guy, been in
this league. And I want people to understand this as well,
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because people say, well, he just got brought up and
he only paid X amount of snaps. On special teams,
I'm gonna tell you right now. Unless you are unless
you are Dak Prescott, unless you are whoever like, unless
you're CD Lamb and sometimes even Cede Lamb are in
these special teams meetings. If the meeting consists of hands teams,
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if the meeting consists of if you have some pump
return or kickoff return responsibilities, you're in these special team meetings. Now,
those days differ from each one. But a Warria is
a guy who you don't have the privilege of not
being these meetings, because even if you're on the practice squad,
you're in these specialties meetings because you're learning what the
other team is going to be doing so that when
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you go out to the practice field and you're on
the scout squad, you're giving the starting squad the best look.
So you've heard all of these things being talked about
throughout the meetings, about when the ball goes past the
line of scrimmage and I touch it, you know all
these things, and to be honest, they always tell the
gunners that, hey, don't get away from the ball, Like,
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if we wanted you to return the ball, we would
have made you the returner if we block it behind
the line of scrimmage. Yes, scoop and score. So he's
heard the messages before in training camp, in OTA's and
mini camps, and even at some point in time during
the season. So this wasn't one of the bones fossil
kind of you know, gaffs that he has put out
this year. This was a player looking at a moment
(30:50):
and saying I could be the hero, and instead of
him being the hero, he now became the villain and
a loss for the Cowboys because all he had to
do was get out the way, and he got more
than enough time to get out the way, and he
tried to go make a play and he screwed it up.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Should have listened to ludicrous move.
Speaker 9 (31:12):
Get out the way, and you explained it better. That
was my question, because I've read somewhere that this was
his although he probably had special teams experience in past,
this was his first game on the punt return come
out in the meaning and I thought, you know, if
you're you know, your back to the game or whatever,
and you just turn around and it's you and the ball.
I mean he had space, Yeah, but it isn't that
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the natural I guess that's the difference between doing it
right wrong professional. Your natural reaction is there's the ball, your.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
National action to get out the way, like you've been talking,
that's the natural reaction. That's the natural reaction. You get
out the way.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
So this wasn't not knowing the rules.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
This was just this was a guy trying to This
was a guy trying to make a play. This was
a guy trying to make a play in a tight game,
and he cost you. It cost you because when you
go back and you watch the play, and I know
Nate has his iPad, we can pull a play up.
But when you go back and you watch the play,
you see him like it's enough time where you see
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him he's almost crow hopping, like he's crow hopping to
time it up, to scoop it and try to run
through again. That second bounce. He didn't anticipate it being
as quick and as jolting as it was, and so
he crow hopped like like like a shortstop, like a
shortstop would do at a base hit coming his way.
That that crow hop, I'm gonna pick it up routinely,
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gonna do it. And that ball took a weird spin
and it jumped up on him and instead of being
a baseball where you can kind of corral it inside
your chest, it was a football, unblunng ball, you know,
bounce the different ways on this turf.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
What happened after the after the game, some players didn't
let the media talk to him.
Speaker 9 (32:47):
I think the media was waiting to talk to him,
and C. J. Goodwin stood up and said, you know, no,
he's not talking today. We're not we're not doing negativity.
And I guess sound like some other guys kind of
spoke up to and said, no, he doesn't he's not talking.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
They went, yeah, that part I don't like either. That's
just me.
Speaker 8 (33:04):
That's interesting. I thought.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
My initial reaction was, this is a veteran that is
trying to protect his younger teammate.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
But you don't that's not the case.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
How you feel about that, because if you were the
Scooper scored it, he'd have been in front of his
lack of like, look at me, look what I did, right,
he would They wouldn't have said, nah, don't talk to him,
he's a veteran.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
No, So let's going and just break man. I'm liking
your conversation.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
I don't know just what you think about it.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
I'm gonnat you normally come back's gonna let us know
he's actually gonna talk today. We're gonna let yes. Yeah, yeah,
that was great. I hadn't heard it broken, so yeah, boy,
you you you made it way in back on like
this kid. But hey, it's okay, and.
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Welcome back to the final segment of Hanging with the Boys,
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breaking down. Jesse did a great job of breaking down
the special team's block punt that wasn't called for, and
then the.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
Massive breakdown meltdown.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Blunder, bad decision to try to feel the ball, But
that was really good Jesse. I hadn't heard it broken down.
So back to the question of Jesse didn't like the
fact that you had c. J. Goodwin and some other
guys not letting media talk to Amani after the game. Nate,
(36:48):
how do you feel about that good that the veterans
were We we didn't.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
Well, I'm gonna give you my one experience, the one
time that happened with us. It was Leon Lett in
Miami where he did the same thing. But Jesse's talking about,
you know, uh snow game. And we didn't have to
protect le it because the old tame had an X
ray room and he ran the extray room and locked
it and the only person he opened the door for
(37:15):
was coach Johnson, so we didn't have to protect him.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
He and he.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
Pepulated into every media type. Even Rich wasn't even in
there before he came out. Nobody that was it, Uh,
you know, My thing is this right here. You played
tick intact the whole game. Like I opened up saying this,
I'm I'm gonna stick with it. You had this one opportunity.
(37:42):
Whether this pump block was called for or not, you
blocked it. That was your glory. That was the glory
of it. Whether you did it the right way like
Jesse showed us the wrong way, you blocked it. You
had another opportunity. You blew it, and it costs you
the game.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
See, people, we talk about it all the time. One
or two players a game one it calls you the game,
you know. And I listen to everybody bringing in his content.
What McCarthy should have done, what the players should have done.
You was not stopping number one. You We got some
of the top flight corners in the game. I saw
(38:24):
him eat up number two. I saw him eat up
twenty six, and I saw him eat up number seven.
Don't tell me about nothing.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
He Jamar chased it before the game. He wound up
in the in the pregame talk about one of our reads.
He had a seven eleven shirt on a seven eleven
shirt on saw that and he was like, I'm always open.
He was like, hey, I'm gonna give some of the digs.
I'm gonna give something to Jordan. I'm gonna give something Duran.
I'm gonna let y'all know. And he's and Jamorrow is
(38:55):
chasing the triple crown. He's now in the lead with
he leads the league in receptions, le lead in yards,
and leads the leagues and touchdowns. So you know, if
the season and the season is out of reach for
them and then they're not going to make the playoffs,
then Jamar is like, when we go ahead, get this triple
crown record'll go get my.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Go get my record. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was
I think the if you watched it on TV. I
don't know if y'all got to watch it with y'all's
responsibilities and everything, But like, I think they did a
really good job because that's the first time I watched
the pregame, the post game, everything. I think they did
a really good job of one telling stories right because
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they had some really cool backstories with Jamar meeting that
kid that was in town to see him and what
he was doing and he.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
Did the gritty in the end zone.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
They taught, you know, they told that story and then
following up with players, and something that really stuck out
to me was Joe Burrow saying that one route that
they ran, that timing route where he threw the ball
before he even came out of his break and it
was right on the like that coverage was good right
there on the goal line. And he was like, yeah,
that's something that we that we've worked on, you know,
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and it's and you could tell like like I.
Speaker 7 (40:04):
Mean and like Nate knows that, you know, because Troy
and and and Michael the bang Eate that nobody ran
the bank gate better than those two. Troy can closed
his eyes one two, three for five the top of
his drop fire it, Michael could get to his one
tw three for five outside foot plant come across that
safety's face. I know, I got two step up for
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that backside. They have to get to me, and like clockwork,
those two just had that. I'm I'm if you went
back and looked at the yardage for for Mike in
his Hall of Fame career, I'm sure more. I'm not
gonna say half, I'm gonna say a large. It's close.
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Probably came down to those bang Eates. A lot of
what he did was that and and that's what you
have when with your quarterback receiver. It was they had
he knew, he knew where to throw it, how to
throw it, and it was practice it he got to
the top of his drop and that ball was on
the way humming to to the outside where he We
always say like, it's it's self defense because if you're
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gonna either you gonna catch it or what's gonna hit you.
So the self defense, I gotta I gotta go ahead
and catch it. They that's what you see with those
type of combinations.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Nate. I have a question that I hope you can
answer for me. If not, we got yes, all right,
my voice.
Speaker 7 (41:24):
What's that gonna do it? I'm no longer here. You're
gonna get through it, you know, baffling with You're gonna
have to talk to.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
You know, when you lose, you questioned a lot of
things to whereas if you win, you're like, yeah, you know,
just gloss over it.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
Right.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
So we we the Cowboys lost. So I have a
question that I can't figure out for the life of me,
and I hope maybe someone can explain to me. You
have a running back that seems to have found a
rhythm that is took picked up where he's left off.
(41:59):
The last two weeks, it was averaging seven point three
yards per carry and only had eighteen carries.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
Sure, he was averaging more per carry than the quarterback was.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
And he didn't touch the ball the last six minutes
of the game. And you had too what two possessions
in those last six minutes, and he didn't He didn't
even touch the ball. And I know that's par for
the course with the play calling this year, and it
seems like you we do that every single week. But
it seems it seems like this is he's become the
running back that they thought he was going to be
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in the beginning of the year, whether it's play calling
and they're feeding into whatever. But he's hit a stride.
He looks really good, and he looked. I feel bad
for Zeke because when you put him in there after Rico,
it just looks like he's got nothing left.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Like I feel feel bad for Rico.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
My boy right there, boy right because I was saying,
and I said, no, hold on, what would we just
I could turn around and turn back like you Jesse,
And I said to my saying, they must handed this
ball to Zee, you know, I love see and I'm
like this, But anyway, which is.
Speaker 7 (43:25):
There a reason?
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Is there a football reason or a play calling reason
something that I'm not seeing that's from watching tape that there.
Speaker 6 (43:33):
You are, twenty twenty. Your boy is lighting up the skies,
running the ball. The offensive line has found a rhythm.
Two three different positions been changed on your offense and
they still doing what you have asked them to do,
and you just stop. I have no and no one
we wait till Monday or Tuesday, the day after what.
(43:56):
I just want to why guys in that moment say hey, coach,
you are averaging seven point something yards and carry with
six minutes mofth You just did not run the ball.
Somebody need to put that question.
Speaker 7 (44:08):
There's thirty two coaches on this staff, yes and you
and ain't Nobody goes hey, coach, Hey hit the side
of the coach. Hey, let's keep running that thing. Yeah,
Mike Slaari, somebody, hell, offensive line. We gotta come off
the film and say hey, because like one of the
turning points of that game where you have Zeke excuse me,
(44:31):
not Zeke, you had Rico. He gets the fourteen yard
carry and you go pass pass pass incomplete, incomplete, just.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Take it right out of his rhythm.
Speaker 7 (44:41):
Even if you were going to give him, you just
killed your drive. And that's the part. And Michael from Pittsburgh,
he gets up in the media often he says, you know,
we gotta run the ball. We gotta run the ball.
We gotta established to run. And then in the moments
when you need to, when you were dashing them, they
had no answer for you running the football. We go
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had his best career yard this day, and you picked
the worst time to go. Let me put the ball
in the backup quarterback hands who got a noodle form
arm and has never scored twenty four points or three?
I had three touchdowns like.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Yeah in the game before we go. Offensive line, a
lot of new faces, a lot of new combinations, moving parts.
They do pretty good.
Speaker 6 (45:31):
Oh they did they did. To me, they did well,
they did well. Uh. The thing is, we only get
to see the rewards through the running game. That's what
we can physically see as for offensive line, because the
passing game, if things ain't going right, we know right
away quarterback is on his back. But it just it
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just baffles you that I've been saying play these young guys,
do what you gotta do, and you you you we
twelve games in it, and you're figuring out that these
guys can help you win games or put to help
you be in position to win games, because, like I
tell you, you can feel I understand people have to feel content,
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but this game should have been even ugly with six
minutes left. It's like, if we lose this, it's gonna
be on the back of Rico, not on the back
of your quarterback. This should have been on the back
of Rico. And I don't think he would have let
us down. I don't think he would have let us down.
He would at least gave us another shot at the
field goal.
Speaker 8 (46:28):
You know the hell, all you.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Gotta do is get to the furthest point of that
star going the opposite way. And Aubrey's gonna give you
a chance.
Speaker 7 (46:36):
Give you a good chance. Yeah, real good chance.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
Man, Well, good stuff. This was a good show. Her
different perspectives and what fourth and long, Yes, sir, you
can send.
Speaker 7 (46:47):
Him to good I mean, I ain't gonna play with you.
I ain't. I ain't gonna know good stuff.
Speaker 6 (46:56):
Yeah, Kurt can't come to something.
Speaker 7 (47:00):
I agree, Yeah, we can't agree to disagree on what it.
Speaker 11 (47:03):
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Speaker 4 (47:06):
So short week? What are we doing to cowboy? Real
short week, right.
Speaker 8 (47:11):
Chris, Cowboys? Maybe that's where we usually go.
Speaker 6 (47:15):
Do it all tomorrow. We announced do it all tomorrow.
We ain't got no other choice. We don't have a
show on Thursday.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
Okay, so no show on Thursday. We'll do it all tomorrow.
Nate might not be here Friday, but guess what do alive?
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Guess what will be?
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Wings?
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Wings?
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And I'll be here because if it's free, it's for me.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
For me, Chris, thanks for keeping us on the air.
Jazz and Josh, thanks for keeping them company. We will
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But man, lots to talk about, Jesse, this, this is
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get into that in a minute. Kurt, how are you
you good?
Speaker 8 (02:00):
Good?
Speaker 6 (02:01):
Good?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Jesse good?
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Nate?
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Yeah? I'm great?
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Man?
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It was just pretty pretty breezy? Yeah it waseze, babe, boy,
I'm good, I'm good. We rat where we need to
be right now. Not on the field.
Speaker 7 (02:18):
Your boy, your boy helpless ain't help us yesterday?
Speaker 6 (02:21):
Who is my boy? You?
Speaker 7 (02:24):
You out like a game like yesterday. I don't know
what side of the fencer you want. Are you salivating
Joe Burrow or are you upset over your boy? I'm
just coach from Pittsburgh of destructstruck.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
He got to see some some fresh blood on the
offensive line. You have to see the young guys play,
which probably soon we'll get to see a lot more
of the young guys playing but initial thoughts. Kurt just
on the game. It was close, by the way. Congratulations
to the Voice of Reason, the only person on the
show to pick the being to win. He had the
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Bengals thirty three Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
I don't want to all the time. Yeah, I don't
want to.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Jesse Holly special teams guru that will break.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
Down what you call it didn't come true though.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
It did not. Gessei has more than fifty yards and
six or more catches. Yea, so he did not.
Speaker 7 (03:19):
He did not. He had three for twenty four, but
he didn't need to.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Chase said, hold my beard, I got you. I got
your back.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
B Yeah, I got more than what I got. I
got what you want. I got what you needed.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
It was fun to watch. If you're a Bengals fan,
you know the roof was open, it was beautiful. The
Simpsons simulcast was going on.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
Check I didn't.
Speaker 8 (03:40):
I turned it off for about five minutes. I heard.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
It wasn't terrible.
Speaker 8 (03:43):
No, it was actually better than I thought.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
Yeah, it was prisile.
Speaker 9 (03:46):
I mean the technology was getting an actual game playing
and leads to Simpson run for the Homer.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Intercepted bar Yeah, it was really cool, but Kurt initial
thoughts kick us off.
Speaker 9 (03:58):
Well, it was disappointing for sure. I mean, you hate
to lose close when the game you had a chance
to win so close. No, it's so close. So yeah,
but you know, besides that, the injuries on top of
that made it even even worse.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Thoughts and thoughts definitely go out to overshell Man talking
about it just hurt. That hurt my soul. Yeah, especially
when you heard this morning that it might trickle over
into next year.
Speaker 7 (04:28):
So yeah, I just Mozzie screwed us again.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Hell, I don't say that. I don't say that.
Speaker 9 (04:38):
Well, I mean, and it just seems, you know, like
the final nail and whatever.
Speaker 7 (04:43):
Hopes there were.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Mathematically you're still alive.
Speaker 8 (04:45):
Still alive.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
But you know, yeah, what about you, Nate Overall thoughts,
I'm good man, all right, Yes, you know.
Speaker 8 (04:57):
What side of the fence he's on. Then I guess.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It's in the past.
Speaker 7 (05:03):
You know, good teams find different ways to win football.
Get look at Kansas City, look at Detroit, look at Philadelphia.
Bad teams find different ways to lose games. And I
think you saw, you know, look at Carolina, look at
the Bengals, and they're losing streak and look at the Cowboys.
(05:24):
It's it's it's a consistent pattern of the comedy of
eerrors that happened throughout a game, whether it be from
the sideline, from coaching, whether it be on the field,
from players. You just see those things continue to pop
up in moments where you need guys to be at
(05:44):
their best. Sometimes you just need guys to do simple
things and they they they don't and your team loses
because of it. And there are I mean when you
go back and you watch this game. Even when I
got in late last night from doing my post game show,
couldn't sleep, just you know, adrenaline is going. You're just up,
you know, trying to calm your mind. And I start
(06:05):
watching some of the game back last night, and you
just start seeing, man like this was this, this, this, this,
and and no one thing is you can say loses
games for you, but there are definite things where you
look at and you go, this is what happens to
bad football teams. Yeah, so such as life. In the
(06:27):
words of the great Bill Parcells, you are what's your
record says you are?
Speaker 6 (06:32):
You are tough?
Speaker 7 (06:33):
One man?
Speaker 8 (06:33):
What about you?
Speaker 7 (06:35):
I mean.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
This dude, you see his dress? Tell you about it.
He's ready to go up in the Marcasall Hills and
hide Mexico.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
What I read.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I foreshadowed this season by booking my trip, and you know,
but I do that every year. I mean, it was hard,
It was it was heartbreaking. The injuries were tough, and
for the first time this year, I you could feel
this meant something to the guys. You know, you see
(07:07):
Michael on the sideline and at first when when you know,
the special teams play happened, and Mike's over there waving
his hands and he's like, come on, manute, like you know,
and I'm like, I was kind of upset because I
was like, he's he's basically calling his teammate out on
national TV without saying anything about it. But then the
game ended and he went straight to the locker. He
(07:27):
wasn't swapping jerseys, he wasn't out there yucking it up,
and I was like, you know what, good showing some
like showing some emotion, pissed off like mad. You know,
maybe this is the spark that like turns him into
a dog, you know, because we always talk about he'll
go on his pocket and we'll see tonight if he
has his podcast what he says, But this meant something
(07:49):
to him. And it's weird because they're basically out of
the playoffs. There was almost no hope. But they were
pissed last night. They were upset.
Speaker 9 (07:57):
It was like, you know, there's the worst losses, maybe
worse than the last year's playoff, you know, and this one,
that's what he said. He said, it maybe felt worse
than last year's playoff.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Long he got a concussion, So I mean, you gotta
he gotta check that man. For there's three losses this
season that was worse than what happened last year.
Speaker 9 (08:16):
I think I wondered if it was more like and
those losses, they are so blown out by the fourth quarter,
they've already kind of gone to the emotions of this sucked.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
They had dealt with it, Yeah, when they had dealt
with it.
Speaker 8 (08:27):
Were this one was still kind of fresh and raw.
They went right in the long and you.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
And you it was right there and they probably have
heard about Joe Burrow all week long and Jamar Chase
and they had.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
Him beat and then they had him beat.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Well you could have I mean, you had a chance
to beat him, you know, I mean, you had a chance.
Speaker 7 (08:44):
To Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow did what they wanted. Yeah,
throughout that game. I mean, Joe Burrow was over three
hundred yards passing. It was looking he looked great. I mean,
Michael was partners of Michael was upset. Mike had a
really good game. He had nine pressures, the only second
time in his career where he had at least nine
pressures and no sacks. He was chasing Joe Burrow all
(09:05):
day long and could not get to him like that.
That's part of the frustration as well, frien him. He's like, man,
I'm out here humping and working my tail off to
try to get to this joker, and I can't get
to him. And then on the back end he's completing passes.
So it's like I'm trying, We're trying. I'm definitely trying,
(09:26):
and we I'm unsuccessful, and then I'm getting no help
on the back end because he's throwing dots to Jamar Chase.
I mean, when you go fourteen for one to seventy
seven to two touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
You know, yeah, he did it so smooth. He did
it so smooth that one seventy seven and the way
that Joe Burrows would let Michael just think he got it.
I'm like a mat at all. I remember one time
Michael was coming from the right side. He waited till
(09:59):
it last second. Man, it just duck. These shoulders stepped up.
I don't say to myself that right there is priceless
fellas you would die, not nover manter, that's too strong
word you would as a coach to be at the
end of a game. Both coaches sitting over there. All
we need is one play and Jesse's gonna break this
(10:21):
play down some time during our show. And uh, but
you can't tell me. I don't be You don't been
in these game with brother. Who gonna make this play?
One with the dummy or the smart and who's gonna
but who's gonna make this play? You couldn't tell me.
You you you can go. This game makes you tired
(10:45):
because it's the roller coaster of emotions. Is so great.
And regardless of what you think about uh uh, Cincinnati's defense,
they were playing. They were playing tough. Regardless of what
you thought about our offense. They was hanging in there,
they was they was, they was moving the ball down
the field, they were sputtering out, They was making some
(11:07):
bad plays coaches and players, but to get on with
a minute or two left and this thing twenty twenty,
and you can make the difference. You can make the difference.
And that is where me and Jessic gonna always be
on the same page. When my Joel's it is better
than your Joe.
Speaker 10 (11:29):
Come on man, literally yes, yes, yeah, tougher man, tough,
tough to I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
If like that was that game?
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Do you need a cleansing?
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Almost meant nothing, like, okay, you win it, so what
you won, you put three together, but it just it
was just so defeating.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
You know, to us only outside. Now I sit on
the outside. Now it means nothing. Those guys, it means
everything right there. Because they win that game last night.
That's three in a row. They're still believing. The hope
is still there, the joy in going out and playing
again is still there. And now you start looking around,
(12:18):
you like, hold on, we can get four. It gets Carolina,
you know, then maybe a fifth forgets and then the
last two we'll we'll see how that goes and maybe
we get some help. Maybe they you know, Philadelphia might
be imploding again. What they got going on with their
receiver and and and and uh and quarterback and what
some other guys are saying about it. So that still
(12:39):
gives you hope. And the one thing I do want
to I want to say before we go to break
because we we we laughingly joke about it, Fans talk
about it and push forward and you know they got
tank websites and all that kind of sh stuff. And
(13:02):
another thing that Nate and I will always agree on.
You start talking about tanking man, and you know when
it doesn't matter, what does it matter? Dumarron overshow might might?
We don't know what his injury is. He can probably
never play football again. You think he's thinking about tanking
(13:22):
a game. And that's what we're talking about from a
player's perspective, is you are playing in a one hundred
percent hurt business. Now. I hope and I pray like legitimately.
I ain't just talking like I legitimately prayed that for him,
and I hope that this young man is able to
come back from what this injury is. But when you
start talking about ligaments and and and stuff like that,
(13:48):
that's that's that's serious. That ain't just that we go
back in there. We just you know, we fix the ACL.
You know doctor Cooper can do that in his sleep, right, Like,
oh yeah, ACL, But we'll do that. When you start
talking about ligaments, now you start needing things to refire
and rejuvenate and those things get working again. That's a
fifty to fifty crapshoot. That's not guaranteed when they go
(14:10):
in there that they're gonna just all work back together
as one and everything's gonna be hunky dory and we're
gonna get out of here. So when people talk about, oh, tank, tank, tank,
lose game, lose game, lose games, what does it matter?
What does it matter? That's why it matters. That's why
guys go out there each and every week because and
you know why it was so devastating to guys like Micah,
(14:32):
to guys like Kendricks and other folks. While that locker
room seems so dim and I said this earlier. You
take a guy like Eric Kendricks who's been in this
league for ten years. What sometimes happens is that you
lose the joy of football. It becomes a job, and
you sometimes are searching and trying to find that youth
(14:55):
full joy that you once had when you were a
first year guy, when you or a second year god
that dies at times, not for everybody, but a lot
of times, that joy dies and you it becomes work.
And then you insert a guy like Demarvin Overshown who
had that youthful joy, who played with that youthful fun spirit,
(15:20):
who gave you the good feeling again. And when you're
a veteran guy like that, and I'll put Mike in
that mixture. He's been around for a little bit. And
then because when you're losing and things aren't going right
like it makes it difficult to come to work. And
then you get around a guy like like like Themarian
and you go, it's fun again. That's what That's what
(15:42):
it means. That's what it means, not all. You know,
you get involved with the business and people start telling
you when trying to you know, tell you what you're
worth and what you're not worth, and all the other
kind of stuff that kills the joy. That that kills
the joy from it all. And then you're able to
get back in the situation from God that you see
in that locker room and going, that's the joy that
(16:03):
I need to give back to. You told me about
two months ago about a situation and you said, you said, Jesse,
you're one of the most positive people that I know,
but this situation it's tearing you down.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Man.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
And I went home with that and I said, you're right,
that won't that. I cannot give that thing any more
of my positive Villa can't take my joy. And you
insert a guy liked Maarian and he goes he's he's
inserted joy. He's giving joy back to football when he
goes out there in the practice field and he's running
around and he's enthusiastic and he's yelling and he's that's
(16:35):
why guys felt that way about him last night. So
when you're thinking about and talking about tanking and you
hear Nate on myself say things Abody like I don't
know about that, it's because you never know. In this business,
that's one hundred hurt. I've said this before and I'll
say it again. Sometimes in this game it takes from
you more than you're willing to give, and you don't
(16:57):
have a say so winning and Marvin will be dealing
with this second ACL injury plus whatever the other thing
that has to happen with that. It's a it's a
tough deal.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Was it the same leg. All right, let's take our
first break. When we come back, we'll talk about the
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Speaker 6 (20:09):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
All right, do we want to break the play down
or we want to wait till you later.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
Come on, let's just get it out Jesse.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
All right, we have our special teams here, and he
didn't talk enough in the first segment, so we'll let
him have the whole second segment, hopefully not maybe have
a segment to break down because when we came in,
I asked Jesse off the air, because we like to
bring our off the air.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
That's what we do nothing.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
That's why we're called Hanging with the boys, because there's
nothing off limits. We just whatever we talk about, we
talk about. If he felt bad.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
We'll bring that infection you got next week. Do what
an infection you telling us?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
About oh yeah, yeah, that can wait. It's not that
imortant if he felt if he felt bad for uh
A warrior, A warrior, thank you for the help, and
he said absolutely not. So one walk us through what happened,
because we there's been a lot of talk about what
(21:10):
Jerry said right after the game about you know, we
would like to have that one back, and you know,
in all this and everybody's if you listen to the
local media around here, everybody's losing their mind. Like I
don't thought Jerry for say that, because right after the game,
he doesn't have all the information, like he's just watching
as a fan, and then he goes back and gets
(21:33):
between you and I.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
That's why he probably shouldn't be talking.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Hey, but hey, it's good for us because we have
things to talk about. But you know, he doesn't have
all the information. And then you know, he goes and
gets it and then it is what it is. But
in the heat of the moment, it's like, hey, you know,
he thought they were trying to block a punt in
that situation, didn't agree with it, said it, and then
he got more information and he kind of just everybody
around here is losing their minds. I don't have a
problem with it. But Jesse walk us through what that
(22:01):
play was, what it was supposed to be. Is a
big deal being made about They didn't have the pump
block on, but they were able to get to it.
Why does that make a difference? And then was it
a blown assignment?
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Should you know?
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Obviously everybody should have just gotten away. But you tell
us from your point of view, knowing how that works,
how do you practice it, what do you do during practice,
and why that shouldn't happen.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Yeah, So let's start with you know, look at the
down and distance and where you're at on the football field. Right,
the game is in, it's in balance, right, it's twenty twenty.
At that point in time, the defense gets to stop, right,
they get to stop now. The Bengals are coming out
to punt the ball. Just for any for clarity, there
was not a pump block on. They were setting up
(22:46):
the return one. You can tell they're seting up a
re term because they ended up vicing the left gunner,
which is so the gunner is a guy who you
see on the outside like a receiver. They're running out
and trying to the first guy down there. So uh,
that's where that's where Oorea is and Kemon Hall. You
(23:06):
see the other two guys to two off backers off
and inside on the punt return to vice means two
guys on one.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Guy guy grab him and try to assault.
Speaker 7 (23:19):
It's basically assault and they let you just assault the
guy you know, all the way down the field. And
and so what ends up happening is you see them
do a little bit of a shift. But that's just
the numbers. When you start looking at the numbers, there's
enough guys for the Bengals to block whoever the Cowboys
were gonna send. There was no blitz happening. Once you
see the ball is snapped, you see them set up
(23:41):
a return. They're trying to get a return because at
the end of the day, they know indoors, Brandon Aubrey's
good for sixty five plus Like you, you kind of
have that in your back pocket, so we can get
any any bit of return because from where they were
punting from, you wasn't gonna really be able to flip
the field that much. Too successful plays. And now I'm
(24:04):
in field goal range. I can run this thing out.
Brandon Aubrey come in and kick the other game in
the field goal. Now what you saw was Nick Visual
who just flat out whooped the guard. The guard lunge
Nick Visual got around. Now this is me being nitpicky.
But when you start talking about the details within the game,
(24:24):
So Nick Visual whoops the guard and he's supposed to
continue on. But what you saw Nick do and this
is not me blaming Nick. I'm giving you the nitpicky
details of how you're supposed to block a punt. When
you watch the play Nick, hands are up and he
swipes down. Okay, what you're taught is if you have
(24:47):
the ability to block a punt, we don't want to
go hands up. We don't want to swipe down one.
We might miss it. If our hands are apart, you
might miss it and kicks it right through your hands.
What's you're taught is like a diver, like think Michael
Phelps when he goes off of the platform. You're thinking
about this, right, Your hands are supposed to look like
(25:09):
this so that there is no space for that ball
to get through. My eyes down are on the foot
of the punter. I want to take the I want
to take the ball off the foot of the punter.
So when I come in. I don't want to come
swiping down because if I miss the punter, I want
to take the ball right off his foot because if
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I get it, the double thug poo poo. Even if
I hit him doesn't matter. But if I don't get it,
his foot goes up. I go underneath him. No flag.
So what Nick did? He gets through, but you see
his hands are up and he swipes down. Now here's
also why it's important. If Nick comes in with the
diver hands right when he gets the ball, the ball
(25:54):
now goes this way, and it's behind the line of scrimmage.
So even if you try to get on it and
don't get on it, they don't get the ball back.
But Nick comes up, swipes down, ball goes off his fingertips,
and now the ball proceeds to go past the line
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of scrimmage. But what it also did was when you
start talking about the way that that weird the ball
was spinning, it was because it caught the fingertips of
Nick's hand. Now the second part about it. You're outside,
if you're a wall error in your keymon hall and
you're vising right, you hear the double thud. You hear it.
(26:36):
I've I've had a punt blocked on me fingertips. You
hear it, you hear it. And then on top of that,
someone is probably yelling Peter, Peter, Peter, or poison, poison, poison.
You hope it's the guys who are able to see
the ball, mainly being Cavante Turpin. And you see Cavante
running up the field, and I'm hoping that he's yelling Peter, Peter, Peter, poison, poison, poison, either.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
One, which means get the hell away from the get.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
Away from the ball. You don't want to touch poison,
you don't want to touch the Peter, right, neither one
of them. That's the origin of Peter, Peter, Peter. And
so now if you watch it, Keemon Hall stops. Now
he and Oreate are vising they're together. He stops and
(27:24):
gets out the way Oi turns, and when you watch him,
the ball bounces side note oriate. If you want to
know how it's done, just go back and watch me
do it. And the Vikings game a couple of years ago,
a lot of years ago. And that's how you catch
a two bouncer and take it back a yards for
a touchdown. Now that's either way.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
But you see, I always make the show about myself.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
You gave me the you gave me the one. I
brought it up. So you see O warreate. And this
is where this is where you have to understand.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Dude.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
When you hit balichex, say do your job. I don't
need you to be the hero here. What we now
need is for that ball to stay hours. But a
warrior looks at the ball and you see him get
into a curt your baseball guy. He gets it to
that shortstop stands and he's he's ready to kind of
(28:20):
attack that ball like you're gonna catch it and throw it.
Throw a guy out at first right home. And you
see him looking at the ball and he's getting ready
to attack it. And the ball bounces and the second bounce,
remember that weird spin I was telling you about. On
the second bounce, he caught the weird looking spin and
he thought it was gonna cradle right into his gut.
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Instead it bounced and took the weird spin and it
went off his He was trying to like scoop it
and it went off his his arm, shoulder, whatever it was,
and they were able to get the ball back. Here's
another funny thing. The guy that Nick visual beat, he
lost his job and got it back in ten seconds.
The guard that Nick vigiill beat number forty five was
(29:03):
actually the same guy who recovered the ball after a
Warria touched it. So and people are gonna say, well,
Bone should have said to him, don't do No, that's
not a conversation they're having about that, because Bones is like,
we got a return set up, so I don't have
to tell y'all, hey say off the punter. No, da
da a Warea is a six year guy, been in
this league. And I want people to understand this as well,
(29:25):
because people say, well, he just got brought up and
he only paid X amount of snaps. On special teams,
I'm gonna tell you right now. Unless you are unless
you are Dak Prescott, unless you are whoever like, unless
you're CD Lamb and sometimes even Cede Lamb are in
these special teams meetings. If the meeting consists of hands teams,
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if the meeting consists of if you have some pump
return or kickoff return responsibilities, you're in these special team meetings. Now,
those days differ from each one. But a Warria is
a guy who you don't have the privilege of not
being these meetings, because even if you're on the practice squad,
you're in these specialties meetings because you're learning what the
other team is going to be doing so that when
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you go out to the practice field and you're on
the scout squad, you're giving the starting squad the best look.
So you've heard all of these things being talked about
throughout the meetings, about when the ball goes past the
line of scrimmage and I touch it, you know all
these things, and to be honest, they always tell the
gunners that, hey, don't get away from the ball, Like,
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if we wanted you to return the ball, we would
have made you the returner if we block it behind
the line of scrimmage. Yes, scoop and score. So he's
heard the messages before in training camp, in OTA's and
mini camps, and even at some point in time during
the season. So this wasn't one of the bones fossil
kind of you know, gaffs that he has put out
this year. This was a player looking at a moment
(30:50):
and saying I could be the hero, and instead of
him being the hero, he now became the villain and
a loss for the Cowboys because all he had to
do was get out the way, and he got more
than enough time to get out the way, and he
tried to go make a play and he screwed it up.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Should have listened to ludicrous move.
Speaker 9 (31:12):
Get out the way, and you explained it better. That
was my question, because I've read somewhere that this was
his although he probably had special teams experience in past,
this was his first game on the punt return come
out in the meaning and I thought, you know, if
you're you know, your back to the game or whatever,
and you just turn around and it's you and the ball.
I mean he had space, Yeah, but it isn't that
(31:33):
the natural I guess that's the difference between doing it
right wrong professional. Your natural reaction is there's the ball, your.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
National action to get out the way, like you've been talking,
that's the natural reaction. That's the natural reaction. You get
out the way.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
So this wasn't not knowing the rules.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
This was just this was a guy trying to This
was a guy trying to make a play. This was
a guy trying to make a play in a tight game,
and he cost you. It cost you because when you
go back and you watch the play, and I know
Nate has his iPad, we can pull a play up.
But when you go back and you watch the play,
you see him like it's enough time where you see
(32:08):
him he's almost crow hopping, like he's crow hopping to
time it up, to scoop it and try to run
through again. That second bounce. He didn't anticipate it being
as quick and as jolting as it was, and so
he crow hopped like like like a shortstop, like a
shortstop would do at a base hit coming his way.
That that crow hop, I'm gonna pick it up routinely,
(32:29):
gonna do it. And that ball took a weird spin
and it jumped up on him and instead of being
a baseball where you can kind of corral it inside
your chest, it was a football, unblunng ball, you know,
bounce the different ways on this turf.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
What happened after the after the game, some players didn't
let the media talk to him.
Speaker 9 (32:47):
I think the media was waiting to talk to him,
and C. J. Goodwin stood up and said, you know, no,
he's not talking today. We're not we're not doing negativity.
And I guess sound like some other guys kind of
spoke up to and said, no, he doesn't he's not talking.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
They went, yeah, that part I don't like either. That's
just me.
Speaker 8 (33:04):
That's interesting. I thought.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
My initial reaction was, this is a veteran that is
trying to protect his younger teammate.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
But you don't that's not the case.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
How you feel about that, because if you were the
Scooper scored it, he'd have been in front of his
lack of like, look at me, look what I did, right,
he would They wouldn't have said, nah, don't talk to him,
he's a veteran.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
No, So let's going and just break man. I'm liking
your conversation.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
I don't know just what you think about it.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
I'm gonnat you normally come back's gonna let us know
he's actually gonna talk today. We're gonna let yes. Yeah, yeah,
that was great. I hadn't heard it broken, so yeah, boy,
you you you made it way in back on like
this kid. But hey, it's okay, and.
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Welcome back to the final segment of Hanging with the Boys,
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dating partner of the Dallas Cowboys, so we were just
breaking down. Jesse did a great job of breaking down
the special team's block punt that wasn't called for, and
then the.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
Massive breakdown meltdown.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Blunder, bad decision to try to feel the ball, But
that was really good Jesse. I hadn't heard it broken down.
So back to the question of Jesse didn't like the
fact that you had c. J. Goodwin and some other
guys not letting media talk to Amani after the game. Nate,
(36:48):
how do you feel about that good that the veterans
were We we didn't.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
Well, I'm gonna give you my one experience, the one
time that happened with us. It was Leon Lett in
Miami where he did the same thing. But Jesse's talking about,
you know, uh snow game. And we didn't have to
protect le it because the old tame had an X
ray room and he ran the extray room and locked
it and the only person he opened the door for
(37:15):
was coach Johnson, so we didn't have to protect him.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
He and he.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
Pepulated into every media type. Even Rich wasn't even in
there before he came out. Nobody that was it, Uh,
you know, My thing is this right here. You played
tick intact the whole game. Like I opened up saying this,
I'm I'm gonna stick with it. You had this one opportunity.
(37:42):
Whether this pump block was called for or not, you
blocked it. That was your glory. That was the glory
of it. Whether you did it the right way like
Jesse showed us the wrong way, you blocked it. You
had another opportunity. You blew it, and it costs you
the game.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
See, people, we talk about it all the time. One
or two players a game one it calls you the game,
you know. And I listen to everybody bringing in his content.
What McCarthy should have done, what the players should have done.
You was not stopping number one. You We got some
of the top flight corners in the game. I saw
(38:24):
him eat up number two. I saw him eat up
twenty six, and I saw him eat up number seven.
Don't tell me about nothing.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
He Jamar chased it before the game. He wound up
in the in the pregame talk about one of our reads.
He had a seven eleven shirt on a seven eleven
shirt on saw that and he was like, I'm always open.
He was like, hey, I'm gonna give some of the digs.
I'm gonna give something to Jordan. I'm gonna give something Duran.
I'm gonna let y'all know. And he's and Jamorrow is
(38:55):
chasing the triple crown. He's now in the lead with
he leads the league in receptions, le lead in yards,
and leads the leagues and touchdowns. So you know, if
the season and the season is out of reach for
them and then they're not going to make the playoffs,
then Jamar is like, when we go ahead, get this triple
crown record'll go get my.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Go get my record. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was
I think the if you watched it on TV. I
don't know if y'all got to watch it with y'all's
responsibilities and everything, But like, I think they did a
really good job because that's the first time I watched
the pregame, the post game, everything. I think they did
a really good job of one telling stories right because
(39:33):
they had some really cool backstories with Jamar meeting that
kid that was in town to see him and what
he was doing and he.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
Did the gritty in the end zone.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
They taught, you know, they told that story and then
following up with players, and something that really stuck out
to me was Joe Burrow saying that one route that
they ran, that timing route where he threw the ball
before he even came out of his break and it
was right on the like that coverage was good right
there on the goal line. And he was like, yeah,
that's something that we that we've worked on, you know,
(40:01):
and it's and you could tell like like I.
Speaker 7 (40:04):
Mean and like Nate knows that, you know, because Troy
and and and Michael the bang Eate that nobody ran
the bank gate better than those two. Troy can closed
his eyes one two, three for five the top of
his drop fire it, Michael could get to his one
tw three for five outside foot plant come across that
safety's face. I know, I got two step up for
(40:26):
that backside. They have to get to me, and like clockwork,
those two just had that. I'm I'm if you went
back and looked at the yardage for for Mike in
his Hall of Fame career, I'm sure more. I'm not
gonna say half, I'm gonna say a large. It's close.
(40:46):
Probably came down to those bang Eates. A lot of
what he did was that and and that's what you
have when with your quarterback receiver. It was they had
he knew, he knew where to throw it, how to
throw it, and it was practice it he got to
the top of his drop and that ball was on
the way humming to to the outside where he We
always say like, it's it's self defense because if you're
(41:08):
gonna either you gonna catch it or what's gonna hit you.
So the self defense, I gotta I gotta go ahead
and catch it. They that's what you see with those
type of combinations.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Nate. I have a question that I hope you can
answer for me. If not, we got yes, all right,
my voice.
Speaker 7 (41:24):
What's that gonna do it? I'm no longer here. You're
gonna get through it, you know, baffling with You're gonna
have to talk to.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
You know, when you lose, you questioned a lot of
things to whereas if you win, you're like, yeah, you know,
just gloss over it.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
Right.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
So we we the Cowboys lost. So I have a
question that I can't figure out for the life of me,
and I hope maybe someone can explain to me. You
have a running back that seems to have found a
rhythm that is took picked up where he's left off.
(41:59):
The last two weeks, it was averaging seven point three
yards per carry and only had eighteen carries.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
Sure, he was averaging more per carry than the quarterback was.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
And he didn't touch the ball the last six minutes
of the game. And you had too what two possessions
in those last six minutes, and he didn't He didn't
even touch the ball. And I know that's par for
the course with the play calling this year, and it
seems like you we do that every single week. But
it seems it seems like this is he's become the
running back that they thought he was going to be
(42:32):
in the beginning of the year, whether it's play calling
and they're feeding into whatever. But he's hit a stride.
He looks really good, and he looked. I feel bad
for Zeke because when you put him in there after Rico,
it just looks like he's got nothing left.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Like I feel feel bad for Rico.
Speaker 6 (43:01):
My boy right there, boy right because I was saying,
and I said, no, hold on, what would we just
I could turn around and turn back like you Jesse,
And I said to my saying, they must handed this
ball to Zee, you know, I love see and I'm
like this, But anyway, which is.
Speaker 7 (43:25):
There a reason?
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Is there a football reason or a play calling reason
something that I'm not seeing that's from watching tape that there.
Speaker 6 (43:33):
You are, twenty twenty. Your boy is lighting up the skies,
running the ball. The offensive line has found a rhythm.
Two three different positions been changed on your offense and
they still doing what you have asked them to do,
and you just stop. I have no and no one
we wait till Monday or Tuesday, the day after what.
(43:56):
I just want to why guys in that moment say hey, coach,
you are averaging seven point something yards and carry with
six minutes mofth You just did not run the ball.
Somebody need to put that question.
Speaker 7 (44:08):
There's thirty two coaches on this staff, yes and you
and ain't Nobody goes hey, coach, Hey hit the side
of the coach. Hey, let's keep running that thing. Yeah,
Mike Slaari, somebody, hell, offensive line. We gotta come off
the film and say hey, because like one of the
turning points of that game where you have Zeke excuse me,
(44:31):
not Zeke, you had Rico. He gets the fourteen yard
carry and you go pass pass pass incomplete, incomplete, just.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Take it right out of his rhythm.
Speaker 7 (44:41):
Even if you were going to give him, you just
killed your drive. And that's the part. And Michael from Pittsburgh,
he gets up in the media often he says, you know,
we gotta run the ball. We gotta run the ball.
We gotta established to run. And then in the moments
when you need to, when you were dashing them, they
had no answer for you running the football. We go
(45:03):
had his best career yard this day, and you picked
the worst time to go. Let me put the ball
in the backup quarterback hands who got a noodle form
arm and has never scored twenty four points or three?
I had three touchdowns like.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Yeah in the game before we go. Offensive line, a
lot of new faces, a lot of new combinations, moving parts.
They do pretty good.
Speaker 6 (45:31):
Oh they did they did. To me, they did well,
they did well. Uh. The thing is, we only get
to see the rewards through the running game. That's what
we can physically see as for offensive line, because the
passing game, if things ain't going right, we know right
away quarterback is on his back. But it just it
(45:51):
just baffles you that I've been saying play these young guys,
do what you gotta do, and you you you we
twelve games in it, and you're figuring out that these
guys can help you win games or put to help
you be in position to win games, because, like I
tell you, you can feel I understand people have to feel content,
(46:12):
but this game should have been even ugly with six
minutes left. It's like, if we lose this, it's gonna
be on the back of Rico, not on the back
of your quarterback. This should have been on the back
of Rico. And I don't think he would have let
us down. I don't think he would have let us down.
He would at least gave us another shot at the
field goal.
Speaker 8 (46:28):
You know the hell, all you.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Gotta do is get to the furthest point of that
star going the opposite way. And Aubrey's gonna give you
a chance.
Speaker 7 (46:36):
Give you a good chance. Yeah, real good chance.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
Man, Well, good stuff. This was a good show. Her
different perspectives and what fourth and long, Yes, sir, you
can send.
Speaker 7 (46:47):
Him to good I mean, I ain't gonna play with you.
I ain't. I ain't gonna know good stuff.
Speaker 6 (46:56):
Yeah, Kurt can't come to something.
Speaker 7 (47:00):
I agree, Yeah, we can't agree to disagree on what it.
Speaker 11 (47:03):
Was in.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
So short week? What are we doing to cowboy? Real
short week, right.
Speaker 8 (47:11):
Chris, Cowboys? Maybe that's where we usually go.
Speaker 6 (47:15):
Do it all tomorrow. We announced do it all tomorrow.
We ain't got no other choice. We don't have a
show on Thursday.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
Okay, so no show on Thursday. We'll do it all tomorrow.
Nate might not be here Friday, but guess what do alive?
Speaker 6 (47:29):
Guess what will be?
Speaker 7 (47:30):
Wings?
Speaker 6 (47:31):
Wings?
Speaker 7 (47:31):
And I'll be here because if it's free, it's for me.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
For me, Chris, thanks for keeping us on the air.
Jazz and Josh, thanks for keeping them company. We will
be back tomorrow. Do all the things I'm hanging with
the boys will This has been
Speaker 10 (47:45):
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