February 27, 2025 • 48 mins
So with Zack Martin riding off into the sunset, what do the Cowboys do now on the offensive line? Cooper Beebe was an All-American guard in college. Should he be moved back? Or is the bigger worry what’s happening on the outside at tackle? Listen to what 6-time Pro Bowler Nate Newton has to say about it. Plus, are they really going to draft a QB? And let’s also check out the recent NFLPA ratings.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Cowboys blowing out of the backfield, exploding down the sideline.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
He's hanging with the Boys, presented by Wing Stuff where
Flavor gets its wings Now Your hosts Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels,
Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Thursday, Man, it feels like it's been forever. I don't
know what it does.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Feel That feel like looking live at Tostitos Championship Plaza
outside Fort Center at the Star in Frisco, Texas, where
there is a random ten out there though none of
us know what's going on.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
A thing going on the Star here soon.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
Well, I would like a I know there.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
That's very that's a very very fund statement.
Speaker 7 (01:04):
I know I'll be here Saturday. They have some flag
football stuff happening.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Are you playing coaching watching?
Speaker 7 (01:12):
I am How can I put this? I'm like, whatever
Danny needs me to do. Okay, I'm being a great teammate.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
So you're helping Danny out with camps or.
Speaker 7 (01:21):
I'm one of his field generals, So whatever, Danny, you're
just showing up. Whatever Danny do it for free. It's
so nice whatever. Danny, who, Well, I'm doing this actually
I'm doing this Saturday for free.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Wow, I do.
Speaker 7 (01:34):
Danny's one of the guys. Like, Danny's one of my
one of my dudes. So he'll get he'll get this one.
He's he gets pay, he's paid meself some other things.
So you know, he throw me a bone, you know,
I'll throw him a book.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
All right.
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He is Nate.
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Speaker 7 (03:41):
Also have to give a shout out our homeboy, excuse me,
our homeboy. Jack Williams we all had dinner with and
Kyle his son. Yeah, his son Kyle is a is
a swimming.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Coach in Jersey.
Speaker 7 (03:52):
And so I got to give a shout out to
the New Jersey Race Club who made the state championships.
Let's go, it was, yeah who made their state championship.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Clean enough water in Jersey.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Swimming, it's nothing outside it's a fool.
Speaker 7 (04:07):
So shout out to Cayle and the New Jersey Race
Club from making their state championship.
Speaker 8 (04:14):
I don't know much about swimming.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
I know how to swim, but but but Cayle uh
is a swimmer and has been a swimmer, and now
he's giving back to these kids in Jersey for the Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, the race club, weren't we all at one point?
Speaker 8 (04:28):
We hoped we were and we won. We were all further.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
In our heat.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Yes, we were the best swimmers in our heat.
Speaker 8 (04:38):
Foot competian.
Speaker 7 (04:46):
Set out the cow man in the New Jersey race
Swimming State champions Yeah, I was.
Speaker 8 (04:53):
I was like, I almost said something further.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
I was like, oh, yeah, you didn't know that for him?
Speaker 9 (04:58):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I remember, I didn't. I didn't want Felicia and she
and Jean listened to the shows.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
Yes, yes, well everybody got something in except you.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
What do you shouting out?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I'm shouting out to tagle pride. I just left this
week Man Jones High All Black School. We had a
tagle pride with the class of nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Met all the way to the class.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
That was your high school. So you went back to Florida.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
Yeah, so I met a young lady. I met a
I met a young lady. I got you, Kurt, I
got you, I got you, I got you, Kurt Town.
I met a young lady this uh past weekend at
the MAVs game, and.
Speaker 8 (05:38):
She went to uh Jayhi. No, but she went to Family.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Okay, cool.
Speaker 8 (05:43):
She remembers you when you was at FAM.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Oh that ain't a good thing.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
He's like, take a break, take a break.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
Yeah, I know. She was a little older than you. Yeah,
and you came in, she said. Boy, she said, Nate
was ready to fight anything and everything moving.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Really, you know you was angry back there.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I thought it was fun. That's the crazy man, the
big guys.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I always think it's fun. I thought it was. There's
not very many people that can whoop the big guys.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
It's fun. But I want that you.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Know what, Kurt, it's like I'm I'm older.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
She had said she had to stop you one time
from jumping on one of these young boys.
Speaker 8 (06:24):
She had to stop you for. I think there was
like Janis or something like that.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Yeah, a lot of people, Kurt.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Good, Hey, I've got it. How's everybody doing it? That
seems like it's been a while. Everybody good?
Speaker 8 (06:38):
Miles are good?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
All right, Kurt? Your hair is looking good?
Speaker 5 (06:40):
I think so.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Yeah, A Chris as you mean this guy, No, we're
not doing that.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
We're not.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
We're not.
Speaker 8 (06:46):
We don't that, dude. You don't miss.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
For real about that?
Speaker 8 (06:50):
Yeah, yeah, we feel.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
About I have a question off script and then we'll
get into the rundown before we get there.
Speaker 8 (06:57):
Yeah, so y'all know I do another show.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Okay, okay, we're real aware. I thought this is the show?
Speaker 8 (07:04):
Which one?
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Right of it?
Speaker 8 (07:06):
Which one?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
What's the name of it all?
Speaker 7 (07:07):
D l U s Okay, we have a thing on
our show, and Kurt is just it's just dawned upon me.
We have a thing on our show. We don't we
call it. We don't raw dog under quarter zips. So
you got a quarter zip on the day I need
to know, are you raw dogging under the quarter zip or.
Speaker 8 (07:25):
You got a shirt on shirt? Let me say see
as a mattress.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Okay, all right, yeah, So question for you Jesse, do
you always go white undershirt or did sometimes you try
to match it.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Like Kurt Kurt's got black.
Speaker 8 (07:41):
That's a good question.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Black zip with a black undershirt? Or do you always
go white undershirt no matter what the color of the
shirt is.
Speaker 8 (07:47):
I don't go undershirt. I go tank top a shirt.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Okay, you always go you have.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
All white white, so no colored tank.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
Top and only there's only a very few occasions where
I go will I raw dog.
Speaker 8 (07:59):
It's like if I'm onto like an outdoor wedding.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Pause really, I mean I mean for hr purpose shout
out to Gray. Yes, but like there's like an outsoort
of outdoors event that I'm going to and I'm kind
of like wanting like to have like the almost like
the Miami Vice feeling to it, and I'll have a
couple of button downs.
Speaker 8 (08:21):
You know, I'll do my man escaping. You know, I'll
do my man escaping. You know what I'm saying. I'll
make sure I got.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
I got a little I got a little chest tattoo piece.
So I try to make sure it's all old up
so that when I go about three four button down this,
it's open that it looks it looks presentable, you.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Know, the young lady. So the young lady want to
do that.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
The younger walk on to jest say are you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he is I an I him.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Do you wear tank top under polos?
Speaker 8 (08:54):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yes, yes, don't wear I'm usually under under.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
A polo under everything, but I wear I wear a T.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Shirt under most of them.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Too much laundry, whether it's cold or not, with them
on the tank top of full full dress, cold on full.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Do you always wear undershirt?
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, one on under that Yeah, even under a T shirt?
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Do you under t shirt?
Speaker 10 (09:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (09:17):
Really always?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
There you go that is that?
Speaker 8 (09:20):
Is that the black thing?
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I guess No, I ain't no black thing, Kurt. Do
you wear tank tops under your T shirt? You wear?
Do you own a tank top?
Speaker 6 (09:31):
He always cold?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I know for a fact that, Shannon.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Do you always cold? Man?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Big fan of the tank top?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Me and me and Britt, Yeah, anytime we can show
off the arms.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Brett and you're allergic to sleep.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
We are.
Speaker 8 (09:48):
Your arms probably, man, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
My arms.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
You have a hard time eat is arms first? Ghatto?
I mean even when he walking.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
South front and open doors with his.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Holding him cords on? All right? Question for you guy random.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
This is completely off script, but I was driving in
and her was listening to talk radio here in df
W and what was the.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
Station that fired me?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Uh? Which was yes, it was that one, And they
mentioned Micah. In my mind started going, would Micah have
ever would he have ever gotten?
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Is he so good that he eventually would have talked
his way into or got put in a situation where
he could rush the passer? Or was that a byproduct
of dan Quinn being open minded and going, you know,
let's just try this. Do you think he's he would
have ever gotten to where he is as a pass
rusher if dan Quinn wasn't here.
Speaker 8 (10:58):
If if if Tank Laura doesn't it hurt?
Speaker 7 (11:00):
They had injuries on the defensive line that year when
Tank got hurt and someone else got hurt and they
had no more past rushers in the attrition right in
the pench, Dan was like, hey, stand right here, let's
just see go get the guy who when he says
huck go get him.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
Yeah, it was like, do it again.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
But do you think that would have eventually happened?
Speaker 8 (11:29):
They knew it.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
I think he was a blitcher in college and a
very good My thing is this?
Speaker 8 (11:37):
But he would have the linebacker.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah yeah, Quinn only touched a little bit of what
it is.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Remember the as the nine when.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I said three four, Oh yeah, that's real, bro, that's real.
If he was standing in a three four, how could
he be stopped?
Speaker 6 (11:53):
That's real?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I mean what I said back then, it was crazy,
that's real. Somebody like Belichick, Come on, man, hey you.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
Got a package, Jersey.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Don't wait about me, brother, Wave at me, brother, Yeah,
way about me.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Brother, You gotta, you gotta what's what's side? You just
had a first tour. We've had to combine a long time.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
So oh man. There was some loveliness in that too.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
So we think he would have but maybe not from
the edge. Maybe it would have just been from.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I just think that Quinn opened up a bag, you know.
But I'm telling you some coaches would have saw that.
And in the right system where he can't get beat up,
he get beat up.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Now should he be in that system? Now?
Speaker 6 (12:39):
I would like for him to be but too late.
They already too late. It's to.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
Now, Yeah, you've already committed to him being a hand
in the dirt, hand in the dirt pass rusher.
Speaker 8 (12:51):
It's like moving him back to the linebacker.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Now you have to kind of.
Speaker 8 (12:54):
You have to reteach. Yeah, you have to reteach a
lot of.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
The things I was thinking of more in terms of
in a three four, Yeah, in a rusher on the
on that.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You know, I'm gonna tell you something, Man, I look
at guys like him, and you know, Jesse spoke on it,
and I heard a lot of guys. Just think, for
the first time in a long time, he didn't have
to play seventeen straight games. He got a chance to rest,
and I think as a three four linebacker he would
have had that chance to rest.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
But that's what excuse me.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
But that's why you saw the production so late in
the year, is because he missed that month.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
That month and some change. You know, at some point
in time.
Speaker 7 (13:33):
The numbers, like his numbers have been consistent for the
last four years now, whether that four games happened at
the time that it happened, or we've all saw at
the end of the year his productivity do this like,
that's that's not a that's not a I'm not making
that up. You see him come out the gate and
he's he's on a he's on a tear. And then
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he'll get to that point in time of the season
where at two hundred and forty five, two hundred and
fifty pounds you begin to wear and then we all
say it like, all right, so as we get to
that Thanksgiving threshold and that December football, we start looking
around and we're saying, your past numbers aren't your your
your percentage pressures aren't up, your sacks aren't up, and
all this other stuff. It's because he breaks down. Yeah,
(14:16):
like the body just can't hold up at that size
for seventeen weeks.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
Now.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Do I want him to miss four games in the
middle of the season. Absolutely not. You want to be
able to find a way to preserve him in some way,
shape or form, because he's just not a guy who's
gonna hold two hundred and seventy pounds and two hundred
and sixty five pounds. And I know most people will say, well,
it's just ten to fifteen pounds. It can't make that
(14:44):
much of a difference.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
You Allie, you a lie, You allie straight from the
pits of hell.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
That matters, It matters, And I play it with that people.
I'm just telling them that they a lie. That's what
graduates to say, you alive the pits of hell. You know,
I played with a guy like DeMarcus Where who he
struggled to keep weight on like he was a guy
like during the season, he struggled to stay at a
(15:10):
two sixty five to seventy It's just some guys just
can't hold that type of weight. For him, it I mean,
he was sitting at you know, the two sixty two
seventy two seventy five range to where's Mark to where's
Micah is twenty pounds from where DeMarcus Ware was during
the season. You know, that's why you see DeMarcus wear
now and he's still in amazing shape, because you know,
(15:33):
he just couldn't hold a two seventy two seventy five
like that. When all season came, he was right back
down and and so it's it's they have to find
a way to preserve him management load management, preserve I
don't I don't know what I don't. I don't I
don't have the answer to that. They they that's why
(15:53):
they pay those guys the big bucks to figure out
a way to do it. But we've seen it that
when the year kind of comes comes to a close,
you see him wear down. In the playoffs, he's a
little bit wear down, a little bit banged up.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
He's a warrior. He's gonna go out there and give
you everything he.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Has, but it is at the same when you need
it to be at the absolute best.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
He's got sixteen career games in November and then those
games he has twenty one and a half sacks. In
December and January he has twenty one games played, but
only thirteen and a half sacks.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
So half in the same amount of games played. More
more games. Wow, all right, let's take our first break.
We'll get back on script.
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You had some funny stuff.
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You had some trouble everybody.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I'll tell him. I raged quit was not last night,
Oh no, it was like.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
I haven't been on.
Speaker 8 (19:34):
You raised Quinton never came back.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I was playing Fortnite and it was me, Chris Eatman
and Corey Miller that also works for the Cowboys runs
our game day operations on game but he sits in
the big chair and runs the video board and everything.
Speaker 8 (19:48):
He gets yelled at.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Yes, he gets yelled family all the time.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
The right button.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
And we were playing and you know, everything was that
we were doing.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Okay, we're doing And I was having a bad I
was off because I've been playing this other game and
the controls are different.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Anyway, I just had a bad night and it wasn't
really in the mood, wasn't into it.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Played for about an hour and if you know anything
about Fortnite, I got I didn't eve get shot.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I got killed with a pick axe right after I
landed from this person running from him.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
They're following me and they were just swinging and they
just whacked me.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Down and killed me. And I was like, I quit
and I turned my sister. He didn't say I quit,
he just disappeared. Oh, you just just I said I quit.
Y'all probably didn't hear me. I just said I quit,
and I just exited out. I haven't played since.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Yeah, es, and he's gone. Yep. I didn't see him.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I haven't talked actually, hadn't talked to him Glori or
Nick until today when I walked.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Away, raised big weapons.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Nope, he got That's why I didn't deserve to be
playing the game. I didn't deserve to be on their team.
I didn't deserve to touch a controller. After that, I
was just like.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I'm I'm done.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
I bbcus with my baby.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I'm going to bad. That's what I did to sleep.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
So Nick and I won a game the other day
at nineteen kills and you had two.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Hey three, it's getting better.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Backpack.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
That's not like a backpack to me.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
That's Christ's little brag. That's a that's a stay in
the car moment. Yeah, next, stay in the car. All right,
big news.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I guess last week, I guess if you call it
news week, Nate called this what five months ago where
it is Zach Martin's hanging it.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Up after this past season.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Right, no official words, but things are pointing towards him
him officially retiring.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Nate.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
This is a good time, you think for him to
You saw what was going on with him physically, this
is a good time for him to hang it up.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I mean, he's given it all he could give, man,
and and he's back health as you can be doing
all season. He's back one hundred percent healthy. And uh,
you know I knew across his mind. Man, I'm healthy,
I'm running, I'm out spreading, probably running faster than I
ran anytime during the season.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Well, let me not, let me not poo poo on
your parade. Like a lot of people saw him at
Super Bowl, and he was limping at super Bowl. Man,
I mean he had the surgery, and so he's not
like I don't know, I don't want to, but he's not.
He's not probably he's not sprinting, he's not walking like so.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
Like a lot of people, Wow, my other showy.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
They interviewed him at the at the at the Combine
and they talked there like, man, he's still like kind
of a little gimpy after the surgery and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
It shouldn't even be because I'm saying, probably he's back
running faster.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Than he ever ran.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
But if he ain't running at all, why not retire
that that that totally goes the other way because I
haven't seen him.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
So that's why I said probably, how.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
How I already had some issues at the offensive line
now with him going out?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Is that a Is that kind of a good thing?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
That Rock is yours, Cooper is yours, Smith is yours?
That that is you guys, TJ Bash, you are the
swing guard. They they read it, so.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
Let me can I ask a question? So this is
this is a quest Jesse.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
You cannot ask questions as if that would work.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
I don't know that would work.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
But thank you for anytime as someone who played the
position of offensive line of playing guard, playing even some time.
There's been some reports and uh things talked about it
potentially moving Bbe, who was an All American guard at
Kansas State, moving him back to guard and then maybe
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switching Hoffman to center, or drafting or trying to get
a center in the draft. Like when you look at
bb and he had a decent year last year at center,
for you know it not to be his primary position.
Are you more of the mindset of find the best
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players to play the positions that they're best at, or
are you saying, nah, we need him there and we'll
go get a guard somewhere else, Like, how do you
feel about BB moving back to guard or leaving him
at center?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
If you are all world right guard, and you are
all American and.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
You worth the man, that's you, that's who you are now.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
But if you are athletic enough, or they want whatever arms,
the arms are to show. Whatever you decided the old regime, Okay,
you did it, not the issue. I think if you
if his coach that coached them saying, hey, he's a
better guard, go with it. But brock Hoffin is your center.
We don't need to go out there and draft no center.
(24:54):
We don't need to draft no guard. Your issues is
on the end of your offensive line. Leave the at
least get through this year with those three guys intact Smith,
bb Hoffman, Hoffman, do not that is your most I'm
not saying they're great, but they have played against Washington twice.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
They have played against Philadelphia twice. I ain't saying they
did great, but they fared.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Okay, what's outside is what we better be worried about.
I'm trying to say, what's outside you better be? You
better be night marriage?
Speaker 8 (25:30):
So are you are you? Are you on the.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Boat on?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Now?
Speaker 7 (25:38):
Is the time where you should be playing these musical
chairs to figure it out?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Or or like how cause sentiments go, set them and go.
If the new coach say he's my right guard, set
it and go. We know Hoffman can play center. This
kid was learning how, but don't play. Okay, three games
in Hey, we're going to b B back. No, that's wrong.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Do you do you? But do you experiment with it during?
Or do you go in the camp?
Speaker 6 (26:06):
This is them in goal?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
This is you know, is it the offensive lineman's or
the coach offensive line coach who kind of determines that
who's gonna be where because obviously you know BB's. I
hope that state state coach is now the offensive line coach.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Yes, I hope that is how it goes around here.
And I don't know if it's true.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
You have too many people deciding on my expertise. I
ain't even to walk out there, Jesse to hear me.
When I talk on receivers, I don't talk to Jesse.
I don't talk about seven other people. I ain't coming
with just some blind stuff.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
That's Jesse know what the wide receiver looks like. I
can like who I like.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
But he knows what a route run is. He knows
what a guy who can read coverage just by the
way he run his routes, the timing of the routes.
And I'm just gonna go out there. Hey, how is
I my office? I was saying, No, coach, I'm in
the offensive coordinator. Let it no, come on, now, let
everybody standing where the where the experts at, no matter
how asinine the son.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
Yeah, do you.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
As a as a offensive line coach, would you come
in and have meetings and be like where we're gonna play.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
You where we need you? But where are you most
comfortable at?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
What do you feel you The only person is one
person over there you can ask that. That's Tyler Smith.
After everybody else. You play what I tell you to play?
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, yeah, this is a dictatorship. This ain't with a democracy,
not none at all.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
I had we had an interesting mail bank question come up. Obviously,
turned Steel is a good run blocker. He's one of
the better run blockers in the league. That's right, not
a great pass blocker. He struggled. There any thoughts on
moving job.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Your head coach already answered that they're gonna help this kid.
They they and now he could be right here. Everybody
else to say, we're gonna run the ball.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Then all of a sudden run into Philly the first
two verse three out of five games, and by yourself,
ivable forces.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Would still be a candidate for right guard. Could you
move him in?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
No?
Speaker 5 (28:08):
No, No, a better round blocker.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
He's a tackle. He's a tackle.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Why do you say he's a tackle? The way he's built,
the way he's what he's worked on. It took him
too long to become just a right tackle. It took
him two years. Remember his rookie year.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
He was a boy.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
We was like, why why are they playing this guy?
Then the second year he just wo when he blossomed.
But I've always said he is a run first guy.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
He is.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I say he mirrors our quarterback. Our quarterback is a
premium play action pass guy. This guy is a premium
play action pass tackle.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
If you give him.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Forty five h forty five run, fifty percent run, he's great.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
If he's seventy percent past.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Yeah, so kind of talking about moving guys around, I
mean and BB going back to guard because he played
that in college. You know, guiding probably primarily played right
tackle in college. If you're going to go too much
of the left side, would you if you have.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
A left tackle that can hold his own like I
think Austin Richards can.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Just Uh. The problem we have here.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
In Cowboyland is that whether we draft a guy in
the first round or whether we got guy in the
seventh round, we all think they first rounders, they not.
Some guys have to be developed. And what we're doing
now is the hell of a job of developing Austin Richards. Now,
in two years, we're gonna see if where he's at
(29:40):
now is his new years. Well, I'm saying, what is
his third year coming up? Because we got him in
the contract for what three years or four years?
Speaker 5 (29:50):
No, No, Richards, this his third.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Year, Okay, so that this year, next year they're gonna
because they got him under contract.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
So you can do what you wan want with him.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
You get disrespect him because that's what I think you're
doing to him right now and not let him play.
All you can say let's let this kid play. Let's
let him prove us. Because last year he did all
the training camp at left guard, left tackle, he did
all the preseason left guard, left tackle, got tricked into
a game because they just knew he wasn't gonna never play.
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So he tricked them and got into a game and
showed people that he can be competitive. I'm not gonna
say one game makes a player, but he can be competitive.
So now with a new coach, say hey, man, let's
get this dude a real chance.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Let's get Jesse's alumni.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
You know, you mentioned, I know we got to go
to break You mentioned Connor Bebe's college coach coming here
to coach.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Do you realize if this Schottenheimer thing works, he should
be getting residual Christmas gifts for the.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Rest of his life.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
With all these doors he's going to open for these
new coaches that are getting a shot in the NFL,
and he's going to start his own coaching tree if
this thing, if they make if they make up into
the playoffs and make a playoff run.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Just like the cookies, he eating it eating it.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
Just think about that though, Like all it takes a
little things that came into your mouth.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Boy today, you got the frameworking.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Give me some more sugar when we go on and
we're gonna talk about.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Something in the final segmenting the Cowboys have not done
since twenty twenty and they're saying they're going to do
it in the draft this year.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Why why why are they even saying that?
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Now?
Speaker 4 (31:42):
I wanted to get y'all's there is there some kind
of mind play going on here. Let's talk about that
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Speaker 4 (34:36):
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Wonder what kind of demographic we attract with that.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
They want to see? All right, so word came out.
Was it yesterday that I heard this? Or two days ago?
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Stephen said they were Stephen Jones said the Cowboys wanted
to draft a quarterback this year.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
So my question is they never draft quarterbacks?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
What Danucci, Dak and Stephen McGee Are those the last
three quarterbacks they've drafted and all all in the late Well,
Stephen was what fourth rounder?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Dak was a fourth rounder? Danucci was what six or seven?
I think seventh? One? Why why now? And two? Why
say that publicly?
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Like because they don't really talk about things like that,
especially at the quarterback position. Why now would they? Is
there some kind of mind game going on with trying
to get more production out of that? Is that just
them talking out loud and indie and making conversation.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Is there any hidden meaning there? Are they just talking shop?
Speaker 5 (36:01):
I think probably talking shop? But I mean a lot
of teams they draft quarterbacks regularly. It's probably something that
should have been.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Like every year, take a fly instead of that guy
that's hurt in the sixth round that you might be
take take a flyer.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
You know, So it's probably that. I mean they don't
have a backup quarterback right now.
Speaker 8 (36:19):
I mean David Lance and Yah Cooper Rush of both free.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Agents and Lance, they pretty much said they're not bringing
back and Rush probably depending on these costs. And you've
got to I mean, if McCarthy was here, you probably
would have rush back, although Schottenheimer knows him.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
So if you do draft a quarter we have one
backup on the roster.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
We got Will, we got Will come on, Will Greer
and that beard go he's got He likes the hot
tops too. There's a lot of hot tops. He's got
a beard like you sh he does. If you draft
a quarterback, does that immediately that's a project, right.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
That's that's that's your third wood string.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Are bringing in another quarterback or two for two or
three for camp? For sure, you'd have Will Grear, you
have a Dak, you'd have this guy you draft, you
still bring another one in, right or do you draft
somebody and with the plan of last year, Yeah, but
you didn't draft one.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
You didn't have a rip.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
So do you bring a guy in and give him
a lot of reps and see what you got in
camp and then go with real will Griers your back up.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
If he doesn't show you that much, Like what would
you do there?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Cooper ain't gone yet, is he? Yeah, fridg Yeah, but
he ain't gone yet.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
Right, well, he ain't get signed anywhere.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Yeah, he ain't gone yet, so please But.
Speaker 7 (37:32):
There are some one of the names that you hear
pop up sometimes of the guy like Dylan Gabriel quarterback
from out of a organ, not a.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
Not a big guy.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
UH played a lot of years, a lot of starts
in college and this is the guy who falls somewhere
around you know, the four or fifth round.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
Maybe you bring a guy like that in.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
I think the problem with the Cowboys this year, and
if Steven said that they're gonna probably try to get
a quarterback, and I'm sure they'll probably try to get quarterback.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
It's it's the uniqueness.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
And where you find yourself right now is that you
have so many needs.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Right, so where is that on the list?
Speaker 6 (38:09):
Right?
Speaker 8 (38:09):
Where does it fit on the list?
Speaker 7 (38:11):
Because at the end of the day, you still have
to use to use a Steven reference. At the end
of the day, you do have real grayer as a situation.
And you know, if Tom Moore said this back in
the day, Tom Moore, long time offensive line coach with
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the with the coach Peyton, we don't, we don't prepare.
Speaker 8 (38:37):
For the backup quarterback. We're ft. We're screwed. So no
matter if you get one or not, you lose the
starting quarterback, you're screwed.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Now.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
I don't I don't care what the backup is.
Speaker 7 (38:51):
You go, You're not going to get the same productivity,
the same level of skills, the same things.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
That you can do if you got to go to
the backup quarterback.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
So I mean, we can make the backup quarterback a
topic of conversation for conversation purposes, But.
Speaker 8 (39:05):
If you get to the backup quarterback, you're done. You're done.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Just hoping he can drive the bus for four games
and get your quarterback.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
If I'm really big, honest, I want Steven to go
go get us. Someone, go go get us, Jamis, go
get me. Someone's gonna give us some quotes. Go give
us someone who's gonna go get Jamis. J Chris Happen,
free agent.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
You should be in every meeting standing on the table
for them to mike him up on the sidelight every
single game.
Speaker 7 (39:34):
Go get me a guy that's gonna bring me a
level of entertainment. Go get me Jameis Winston and hell.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
I mean Jersey would he said, it'd be great.
Speaker 8 (39:41):
I would.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
I would jump to the fact that every single time
that there was anything that came on the dot com,
I'm watching it.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Do you know? Do you know in this building, the
way the media is and the way the podcast, the way.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
That locker room works, he would have his He would
be the only backup quarterback in the league with the
weekly press card. Yes, because our media would go talk
to him.
Speaker 8 (40:04):
He would be on he'd be calling into the local
radio shows. He'll be all the shows.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
And they'd let him around here like you know, it's
not New England like.
Speaker 7 (40:13):
You said, and and and Jamis might actually give you
thirty touchdowns. He might give it thirty interceptions, but he
gonna slang it.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Yep. Do the tours on Tuesdays?
Speaker 7 (40:25):
You know what happens that might need to be a
special like that might need to be like a podcast special,
like just the Jameis Winston random tours that he just
jumps in and takes people around that would be.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Funny, Kurt, do you want to go through Do you
have the report card pulled up?
Speaker 5 (40:41):
I do the.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
NFL report card. I think that's interesting. I think it
says a little bit about.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Yeah, it always gets people talking.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Yeah, go through a couple of those. The NFL so
set it up, tell everybody what it is.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
And yeah, the players Union each year pulls the players
and they, you know, give the team's grades on how
they treat them, a B, C, D whatever. And it's
everything from how they treat the families to what the
locker room like to the strength coaches.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
This is anonymous head coach ownership anonymous.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Yeah, so each team votes on their own guys. And
so the Cowboys and these rankings came out as the
tenth ranked tenth in their overall overall thing.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Okay, who ranked number one?
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Miami? Miami was number one, and South Beach.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I mean, is anybody unhappy to be there?
Speaker 5 (41:28):
Like, well, Minnesota was number two. You would think that
not quite as nice up there. Yeah, that's the thing
that was nice. But I mean, Cowboys great at high.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
But when do they do this?
Speaker 6 (41:40):
When?
Speaker 3 (41:41):
When is this.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
Sometime during the season during the season, because they head
coach actually got an A rating, which was McCarthy, so
they apparently liked him well enough.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
And the culture, they said, yeah, so they like the culture.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
So that's a good that's a good question.
Speaker 8 (41:58):
They said, that's what they like.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
The culture. Is the culture bad? Is it bad for winning?
Speaker 9 (42:09):
Like?
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Do we make too big of a deal out of
the culture on this side of the building and this
side of the wall, right? Or because they're not winning,
do we automatically gravitate because you hear about the culture's
got to change it's bad. But then this comes out
and then the players are like the culture is good?
Or is that because they're being coddled and they're getting
there like the bad kid that gets his ways, like, yeah,
I love being at dad's house. I hate going to
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Marble because mom's a disciplinarian and she's making you mind?
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Right? Or who ere he three?
Speaker 8 (42:38):
Or who sets the culture? Who are the drivers of
the culture?
Speaker 5 (42:44):
That's the thing.
Speaker 8 (42:44):
It's the players. So the culture isn't good, it's your fault.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Yeah, they didn't kind of break it, like the locker
room feedback and how McCarthy handled their time and everything.
They gave him an a ownership, they gave them. They
don't say that they ranked sixteenth out of thirty two
is no, wait, twenty fifth out of thirty two. As
far as.
Speaker 7 (43:09):
Culture, and I do believe that that, like you heard
players talk about, like, you know, the way that Mike
Mike Michael from Pittsburgh, you what.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
He can't even say his name after he's gone.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
It's done.
Speaker 8 (43:23):
It's done with some respect.
Speaker 7 (43:25):
But they would say that he liked the way that
he handled, like, you know, looking at the numbers when
God needed the day off, you.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Know, time managed, time management.
Speaker 6 (43:34):
Low managed, all that kinds of thing.
Speaker 7 (43:35):
They did appreciate that, but it always, it always goes
back to the fact that, yeah, we're giving you time management.
Speaker 8 (43:44):
Yeah we're watching the low management and all this other stuff.
Speaker 7 (43:47):
Is it resulting when we needed to result in the
positive manner?
Speaker 4 (43:51):
I think it's kind of crazy that the players voted
on this.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
They gave him an A, which they want to win.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Winning's got a factor into that, because if you have
a coach that you like, you don't think he's doing
the right things to win you football games, you're not
going to give him an A. You're gonna be like, yeah,
he's a great guy. I love him, but look, we're
getting our ass kicked. He's getting a D from me.
I think it's very interesting that he got an A
and he's not here like your players liked it.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
What did what did Detroit? What did the winning teams
coaches get A plus?
Speaker 3 (44:21):
All of them? Did they really?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
If you go back in, look City A plus, Detroit
A plus, Minnesota A plus?
Speaker 6 (44:28):
What other?
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Okay? So what other teams got a's.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
That are not that that weren't in the playoffs, that
didn't go deep in the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (44:36):
Were there any? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (44:38):
Yeah, I had that pull up one job. Kurt no
got their hold on Atlanta, was third overall in the playoffs.
Head coach was an A plus.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
Okay, Oh, Dan Quinn, I'm sorry, the commander's got an
A plus two.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
Actually the head coach of the Panthers got to A minus.
Everything else.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Let's just let's just never throw that theory in that
grade completely out the window. What were some other interesting
things that jumped out to you from that?
Speaker 5 (45:09):
I like last year the training area got seas ranked
pretty low, but it was more about not enough staff.
They're saying that they don't have enough physical therapists and
things like that it's not necessarily the people that are
on staff or the facilities themselves. It's more of the
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just not enough hands on deck.
Speaker 6 (45:32):
To Jesse, let's get out of it because.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
He tuned out.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah, deep diving on his backpacks on Yeah, yeah, we
got to get him.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
If you want to see the rest of the results,
go look at him online. Where can they go find
n f l p A dot com. N f l
p A dot com.
Speaker 6 (45:49):
Yeah, we had a good topic, but we washed it away.
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
When Jesse out of the person. Jesse is the glue
to the show. When the glue melts.
Speaker 5 (45:59):
I did find an interesting stat? Can I share this?
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (46:05):
You pull?
Speaker 5 (46:08):
This goes back to our Zach Martin talk in the
first segment. So I looked it up Pro Football Reference.
They have this metric called proximate value and they rank
all the players whatever.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
What does that mean?
Speaker 6 (46:20):
Proximate value?
Speaker 5 (46:20):
I can't tell you. It's like how they compare to
other players in the higher grade you get, the better
you are.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
I can't tell you the across different positions.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
Yeah you can, but okay, So I look it up.
Just for Cowboys linemen all time, all time, Zack Martin
has the highest rating something only five guys have over
one hundred. Jack Wmer is the highest. Larry Allen was second,
Tyron Smith was third. Uh Neely Ralph Neely from the
sixteen seventies was fourth. Our man, Nate Newton. What let's
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go only five guys and cowboys cottage all of fame?
Speaker 3 (46:56):
WoT who are the top ten? Do you have the
I don't have the full worry about.
Speaker 6 (47:04):
Me and you gush? Thanks, k don't close. Every closes
that baby close. That's it?
Speaker 2 (47:14):
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Speaker 6 (47:20):
You on top that.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
They said, Hey, hey, Derek, go look at uh go
look at our guy. What was his name, Matthew Espinoza.
Go look at his comment. We need to be on
twice a week, twice a week. My name money, money,
you got it, Chris, thanks for keep us on the air.
There's no one back there with you today, so I'm
not even gonna about them out. Thank you for showing
up and showing out and welcome back. Maybe I'll be
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back on Fortnite in the next month or two.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Come on, we will be back next week, back twice
a week. We'll let you, Derek, we.
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I don't know much about swimming.
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I know how to swim, but but but Cayle uh
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I was like, I almost said something further.
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I was like, oh, yeah, you didn't know that for him?
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I remember, I didn't. I didn't want Felicia and she
and Jean listened to the shows.
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Yes, yes, well everybody got something in except you.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
What do you shouting out?
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I'm shouting out to tagle pride. I just left this
week Man Jones High All Black School. We had a
tagle pride with the class of nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
Met all the way to the class.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
That was your high school. So you went back to Florida.
Speaker 7 (05:22):
Yeah, so I met a young lady. I met a
I met a young lady. I got you, Kurt, I
got you, I got you, I got you, Kurt Town.
I met a young lady this uh past weekend at
the MAVs game, and.
Speaker 8 (05:38):
She went to uh Jayhi. No, but she went to Family.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Okay, cool.
Speaker 8 (05:43):
She remembers you when you was at FAM.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Oh that ain't a good thing.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
He's like, take a break, take a break.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
Yeah, I know. She was a little older than you. Yeah,
and you came in, she said. Boy, she said, Nate
was ready to fight anything and everything moving.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Really, you know you was angry back there.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I thought it was fun. That's the crazy man, the
big guys.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I always think it's fun. I thought it was. There's
not very many people that can whoop the big guys.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
It's fun. But I want that you.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Know what, Kurt, it's like I'm I'm older.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
She had said she had to stop you one time
from jumping on one of these young boys.
Speaker 8 (06:24):
She had to stop you for. I think there was
like Janis or something like that.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Yeah, a lot of people, Kurt.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Good, Hey, I've got it. How's everybody doing it? That
seems like it's been a while. Everybody good?
Speaker 8 (06:38):
Miles are good?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
All right, Kurt? Your hair is looking good?
Speaker 5 (06:40):
I think so.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Yeah, A Chris as you mean this guy, No, we're
not doing that.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
We're not.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
We're not.
Speaker 8 (06:46):
We don't that, dude. You don't miss.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
For real about that?
Speaker 8 (06:50):
Yeah, yeah, we feel.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
About I have a question off script and then we'll
get into the rundown before we get there.
Speaker 8 (06:57):
Yeah, so y'all know I do another show.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
Okay, okay, we're real aware. I thought this is the show?
Speaker 8 (07:04):
Which one?
Speaker 6 (07:05):
Right of it?
Speaker 8 (07:06):
Which one?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
What's the name of it all?
Speaker 7 (07:07):
D l U s Okay, we have a thing on
our show, and Kurt is just it's just dawned upon me.
We have a thing on our show. We don't we
call it. We don't raw dog under quarter zips. So
you got a quarter zip on the day I need
to know, are you raw dogging under the quarter zip or.
Speaker 8 (07:25):
You got a shirt on shirt? Let me say see
as a mattress.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Okay, all right, yeah, So question for you Jesse, do
you always go white undershirt or did sometimes you try
to match it.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Like Kurt Kurt's got black.
Speaker 8 (07:41):
That's a good question.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Black zip with a black undershirt? Or do you always
go white undershirt no matter what the color of the
shirt is.
Speaker 8 (07:47):
I don't go undershirt. I go tank top a shirt.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
Okay, you always go you have.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
All white white, so no colored tank.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
Top and only there's only a very few occasions where
I go will I raw dog.
Speaker 8 (07:59):
It's like if I'm onto like an outdoor wedding.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Pause really, I mean I mean for hr purpose shout
out to Gray. Yes, but like there's like an outsoort
of outdoors event that I'm going to and I'm kind
of like wanting like to have like the almost like
the Miami Vice feeling to it, and I'll have a
couple of button downs.
Speaker 8 (08:21):
You know, I'll do my man escaping. You know, I'll
do my man escaping. You know what I'm saying. I'll
make sure I got.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
I got a little I got a little chest tattoo piece.
So I try to make sure it's all old up
so that when I go about three four button down this,
it's open that it looks it looks presentable, you.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Know, the young lady. So the young lady want to
do that.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
The younger walk on to jest say are you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he is I an I him.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Do you wear tank top under polos?
Speaker 8 (08:54):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yes, yes, don't wear I'm usually under under.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
A polo under everything, but I wear I wear a T.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Shirt under most of them.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Too much laundry, whether it's cold or not, with them
on the tank top of full full dress, cold on full.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Do you always wear undershirt?
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, one on under that Yeah, even under a T shirt?
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Do you under t shirt?
Speaker 10 (09:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (09:17):
Really always?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
There you go that is that?
Speaker 8 (09:20):
Is that the black thing?
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I guess No, I ain't no black thing, Kurt. Do
you wear tank tops under your T shirt? You wear?
Do you own a tank top?
Speaker 6 (09:31):
He always cold?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I know for a fact that, Shannon.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
Do you always cold? Man?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Big fan of the tank top?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Me and me and Britt, Yeah, anytime we can show
off the arms.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Brett and you're allergic to sleep.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
We are.
Speaker 8 (09:48):
Your arms probably, man, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
My arms.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
You have a hard time eat is arms first? Ghatto?
I mean even when he walking.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
South front and open doors with his.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Holding him cords on? All right? Question for you guy random.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
This is completely off script, but I was driving in
and her was listening to talk radio here in df
W and what was the.
Speaker 8 (10:21):
Station that fired me?
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Uh? Which was yes, it was that one, And they
mentioned Micah. In my mind started going, would Micah have
ever would he have ever gotten?
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Is he so good that he eventually would have talked
his way into or got put in a situation where
he could rush the passer? Or was that a byproduct
of dan Quinn being open minded and going, you know,
let's just try this. Do you think he's he would
have ever gotten to where he is as a pass
rusher if dan Quinn wasn't here.
Speaker 8 (10:58):
If if if Tank Laura doesn't it hurt?
Speaker 7 (11:00):
They had injuries on the defensive line that year when
Tank got hurt and someone else got hurt and they
had no more past rushers in the attrition right in
the pench, Dan was like, hey, stand right here, let's
just see go get the guy who when he says
huck go get him.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
Yeah, it was like, do it again.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
But do you think that would have eventually happened?
Speaker 8 (11:29):
They knew it.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
I think he was a blitcher in college and a
very good My thing is this?
Speaker 8 (11:37):
But he would have the linebacker.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah yeah, Quinn only touched a little bit of what
it is.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Remember the as the nine when.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I said three four, Oh yeah, that's real, bro, that's real.
If he was standing in a three four, how could
he be stopped?
Speaker 6 (11:53):
That's real?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I mean what I said back then, it was crazy,
that's real. Somebody like Belichick, Come on, man, hey you.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
Got a package, Jersey.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Don't wait about me, brother, Wave at me, brother, Yeah,
way about me.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Brother, You gotta, you gotta what's what's side? You just
had a first tour. We've had to combine a long time.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
So oh man. There was some loveliness in that too.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
So we think he would have but maybe not from
the edge. Maybe it would have just been from.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I just think that Quinn opened up a bag, you know.
But I'm telling you some coaches would have saw that.
And in the right system where he can't get beat up,
he get beat up.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Now should he be in that system? Now?
Speaker 6 (12:39):
I would like for him to be but too late.
They already too late. It's to.
Speaker 7 (12:44):
Now, Yeah, you've already committed to him being a hand
in the dirt, hand in the dirt pass rusher.
Speaker 8 (12:51):
It's like moving him back to the linebacker.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Now you have to kind of.
Speaker 8 (12:54):
You have to reteach. Yeah, you have to reteach a
lot of.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
The things I was thinking of more in terms of
in a three four, Yeah, in a rusher on the
on that.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You know, I'm gonna tell you something, Man, I look
at guys like him, and you know, Jesse spoke on it,
and I heard a lot of guys. Just think, for
the first time in a long time, he didn't have
to play seventeen straight games. He got a chance to rest,
and I think as a three four linebacker he would
have had that chance to rest.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
But that's what excuse me.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
But that's why you saw the production so late in
the year, is because he missed that month.
Speaker 8 (13:29):
That month and some change. You know, at some point
in time.
Speaker 7 (13:33):
The numbers, like his numbers have been consistent for the
last four years now, whether that four games happened at
the time that it happened, or we've all saw at
the end of the year his productivity do this like,
that's that's not a that's not a I'm not making
that up. You see him come out the gate and
he's he's on a he's on a tear. And then
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he'll get to that point in time of the season
where at two hundred and forty five, two hundred and
fifty pounds you begin to wear and then we all
say it like, all right, so as we get to
that Thanksgiving threshold and that December football, we start looking
around and we're saying, your past numbers aren't your your
your percentage pressures aren't up, your sacks aren't up, and
all this other stuff. It's because he breaks down. Yeah,
(14:16):
like the body just can't hold up at that size
for seventeen weeks.
Speaker 8 (14:21):
Now.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Do I want him to miss four games in the
middle of the season. Absolutely not. You want to be
able to find a way to preserve him in some way,
shape or form, because he's just not a guy who's
gonna hold two hundred and seventy pounds and two hundred
and sixty five pounds. And I know most people will say, well,
it's just ten to fifteen pounds. It can't make that
(14:44):
much of a difference.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
You Allie, you a lie, You allie straight from the
pits of hell.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
That matters, It matters, And I play it with that people.
I'm just telling them that they a lie. That's what
graduates to say, you alive the pits of hell. You know,
I played with a guy like DeMarcus Where who he
struggled to keep weight on like he was a guy
like during the season, he struggled to stay at a
(15:10):
two sixty five to seventy It's just some guys just
can't hold that type of weight. For him, it I mean,
he was sitting at you know, the two sixty two
seventy two seventy five range to where's Mark to where's
Micah is twenty pounds from where DeMarcus Ware was during
the season. You know, that's why you see DeMarcus wear
now and he's still in amazing shape, because you know,
(15:33):
he just couldn't hold a two seventy two seventy five
like that. When all season came, he was right back
down and and so it's it's they have to find
a way to preserve him management load management, preserve I
don't I don't know what I don't. I don't I
don't have the answer to that. They they that's why
(15:53):
they pay those guys the big bucks to figure out
a way to do it. But we've seen it that
when the year kind of comes comes to a close,
you see him wear down. In the playoffs, he's a
little bit wear down, a little bit banged up.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
He's a warrior. He's gonna go out there and give
you everything he.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
Has, but it is at the same when you need
it to be at the absolute best.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
He's got sixteen career games in November and then those
games he has twenty one and a half sacks. In
December and January he has twenty one games played, but
only thirteen and a half sacks.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
So half in the same amount of games played. More
more games. Wow, all right, let's take our first break.
We'll get back on script.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
Maybe maybe we was. That was good stuff down.
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You had some trouble everybody.
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I'll tell him. I raged quit was not last night,
Oh no, it was like.
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I haven't been on.
Speaker 8 (19:34):
You raised Quinton never came back.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I was playing Fortnite and it was me, Chris Eatman
and Corey Miller that also works for the Cowboys runs
our game day operations on game but he sits in
the big chair and runs the video board and everything.
Speaker 8 (19:48):
He gets yelled at.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Yes, he gets yelled family all the time.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
The right button.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
And we were playing and you know, everything was that
we were doing.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Okay, we're doing And I was having a bad I
was off because I've been playing this other game and
the controls are different.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Anyway, I just had a bad night and it wasn't
really in the mood, wasn't into it.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Played for about an hour and if you know anything
about Fortnite, I got I didn't eve get shot.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I got killed with a pick axe right after I
landed from this person running from him.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
They're following me and they were just swinging and they
just whacked me.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Down and killed me. And I was like, I quit
and I turned my sister. He didn't say I quit,
he just disappeared. Oh, you just just I said I quit.
Y'all probably didn't hear me. I just said I quit,
and I just exited out. I haven't played since.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Yeah, es, and he's gone. Yep. I didn't see him.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I haven't talked actually, hadn't talked to him Glori or
Nick until today when I walked.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
Away, raised big weapons.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Nope, he got That's why I didn't deserve to be
playing the game. I didn't deserve to be on their team.
I didn't deserve to touch a controller. After that, I
was just like.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I'm I'm done.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
I bbcus with my baby.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I'm going to bad. That's what I did to sleep.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
So Nick and I won a game the other day
at nineteen kills and you had two.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Hey three, it's getting better.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Backpack.
Speaker 8 (21:17):
That's not like a backpack to me.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
That's Christ's little brag. That's a that's a stay in
the car moment. Yeah, next, stay in the car. All right,
big news.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I guess last week, I guess if you call it
news week, Nate called this what five months ago where
it is Zach Martin's hanging it.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Up after this past season.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Right, no official words, but things are pointing towards him
him officially retiring.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Nate.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
This is a good time, you think for him to
You saw what was going on with him physically, this
is a good time for him to hang it up.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I mean, he's given it all he could give, man,
and and he's back health as you can be doing
all season. He's back one hundred percent healthy. And uh,
you know I knew across his mind. Man, I'm healthy,
I'm running, I'm out spreading, probably running faster than I
ran anytime during the season.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Well, let me not, let me not poo poo on
your parade. Like a lot of people saw him at
Super Bowl, and he was limping at super Bowl. Man,
I mean he had the surgery, and so he's not
like I don't know, I don't want to, but he's not.
He's not probably he's not sprinting, he's not walking like so.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
Like a lot of people, Wow, my other showy.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
They interviewed him at the at the at the Combine
and they talked there like, man, he's still like kind
of a little gimpy after the surgery and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
It shouldn't even be because I'm saying, probably he's back
running faster.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Than he ever ran.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
But if he ain't running at all, why not retire
that that that totally goes the other way because I
haven't seen him.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
So that's why I said probably, how.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
How I already had some issues at the offensive line
now with him going out?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Is that a Is that kind of a good thing?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
That Rock is yours, Cooper is yours, Smith is yours?
That that is you guys, TJ Bash, you are the
swing guard. They they read it, so.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
Let me can I ask a question? So this is
this is a quest Jesse.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
You cannot ask questions as if that would work.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
I don't know that would work.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
But thank you for anytime as someone who played the
position of offensive line of playing guard, playing even some time.
There's been some reports and uh things talked about it
potentially moving Bbe, who was an All American guard at
Kansas State, moving him back to guard and then maybe
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switching Hoffman to center, or drafting or trying to get
a center in the draft. Like when you look at
bb and he had a decent year last year at center,
for you know it not to be his primary position.
Are you more of the mindset of find the best
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players to play the positions that they're best at, or
are you saying, nah, we need him there and we'll
go get a guard somewhere else, Like, how do you
feel about BB moving back to guard or leaving him
at center?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
If you are all world right guard, and you are
all American and.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
You worth the man, that's you, that's who you are now.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
But if you are athletic enough, or they want whatever arms,
the arms are to show. Whatever you decided the old regime, Okay,
you did it, not the issue. I think if you
if his coach that coached them saying, hey, he's a
better guard, go with it. But brock Hoffin is your center.
We don't need to go out there and draft no center.
(24:54):
We don't need to draft no guard. Your issues is
on the end of your offensive line. Leave the at
least get through this year with those three guys intact Smith,
bb Hoffman, Hoffman, do not that is your most I'm
not saying they're great, but they have played against Washington twice.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
They have played against Philadelphia twice. I ain't saying they
did great, but they fared.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Okay, what's outside is what we better be worried about.
I'm trying to say, what's outside you better be? You
better be night marriage?
Speaker 8 (25:30):
So are you are you? Are you on the.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Boat on?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Now?
Speaker 7 (25:38):
Is the time where you should be playing these musical
chairs to figure it out?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Or or like how cause sentiments go, set them and go.
If the new coach say he's my right guard, set
it and go. We know Hoffman can play center. This
kid was learning how, but don't play. Okay, three games
in Hey, we're going to b B back. No, that's wrong.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Do you do you? But do you experiment with it during?
Or do you go in the camp?
Speaker 6 (26:06):
This is them in goal?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
This is you know, is it the offensive lineman's or
the coach offensive line coach who kind of determines that
who's gonna be where because obviously you know BB's. I
hope that state state coach is now the offensive line coach.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Yes, I hope that is how it goes around here.
And I don't know if it's true.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
You have too many people deciding on my expertise. I
ain't even to walk out there, Jesse to hear me.
When I talk on receivers, I don't talk to Jesse.
I don't talk about seven other people. I ain't coming
with just some blind stuff.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
That's Jesse know what the wide receiver looks like. I
can like who I like.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
But he knows what a route run is. He knows
what a guy who can read coverage just by the
way he run his routes, the timing of the routes.
And I'm just gonna go out there. Hey, how is
I my office? I was saying, No, coach, I'm in
the offensive coordinator. Let it no, come on, now, let
everybody standing where the where the experts at, no matter
how asinine the son.
Speaker 6 (27:12):
Yeah, do you.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
As a as a offensive line coach, would you come
in and have meetings and be like where we're gonna play.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
You where we need you? But where are you most
comfortable at?
Speaker 2 (27:20):
What do you feel you The only person is one
person over there you can ask that. That's Tyler Smith.
After everybody else. You play what I tell you to play?
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, yeah, this is a dictatorship. This ain't with a democracy,
not none at all.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
I had we had an interesting mail bank question come up. Obviously,
turned Steel is a good run blocker. He's one of
the better run blockers in the league. That's right, not
a great pass blocker. He struggled. There any thoughts on
moving job.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Your head coach already answered that they're gonna help this kid.
They they and now he could be right here. Everybody
else to say, we're gonna run the ball.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Then all of a sudden run into Philly the first
two verse three out of five games, and by yourself,
ivable forces.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Would still be a candidate for right guard. Could you
move him in?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
No?
Speaker 5 (28:08):
No, No, a better round blocker.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
He's a tackle. He's a tackle.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Why do you say he's a tackle? The way he's built,
the way he's what he's worked on. It took him
too long to become just a right tackle. It took
him two years. Remember his rookie year.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
He was a boy.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
We was like, why why are they playing this guy?
Then the second year he just wo when he blossomed.
But I've always said he is a run first guy.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
He is.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I say he mirrors our quarterback. Our quarterback is a
premium play action pass guy. This guy is a premium
play action pass tackle.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
If you give him.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Forty five h forty five run, fifty percent run, he's great.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
If he's seventy percent past.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Yeah, so kind of talking about moving guys around, I
mean and BB going back to guard because he played
that in college. You know, guiding probably primarily played right
tackle in college. If you're going to go too much
of the left side, would you if you have.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
A left tackle that can hold his own like I
think Austin Richards can.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Just Uh. The problem we have here.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
In Cowboyland is that whether we draft a guy in
the first round or whether we got guy in the
seventh round, we all think they first rounders, they not.
Some guys have to be developed. And what we're doing
now is the hell of a job of developing Austin Richards. Now,
in two years, we're gonna see if where he's at
(29:40):
now is his new years. Well, I'm saying, what is
his third year coming up? Because we got him in
the contract for what three years or four years?
Speaker 5 (29:50):
No, No, Richards, this his third.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Year, Okay, so that this year, next year they're gonna
because they got him under contract.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
So you can do what you wan want with him.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
You get disrespect him because that's what I think you're
doing to him right now and not let him play.
All you can say let's let this kid play. Let's
let him prove us. Because last year he did all
the training camp at left guard, left tackle, he did
all the preseason left guard, left tackle, got tricked into
a game because they just knew he wasn't gonna never play.
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So he tricked them and got into a game and
showed people that he can be competitive. I'm not gonna
say one game makes a player, but he can be competitive.
So now with a new coach, say hey, man, let's
get this dude a real chance.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Let's get Jesse's alumni.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
You know, you mentioned, I know we got to go
to break You mentioned Connor Bebe's college coach coming here
to coach.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Do you realize if this Schottenheimer thing works, he should
be getting residual Christmas gifts for the.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Rest of his life.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
With all these doors he's going to open for these
new coaches that are getting a shot in the NFL,
and he's going to start his own coaching tree if
this thing, if they make if they make up into
the playoffs and make a playoff run.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Just like the cookies, he eating it eating it.
Speaker 7 (31:14):
Just think about that though, Like all it takes a
little things that came into your mouth.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Boy today, you got the frameworking.
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Give me some more sugar when we go on and
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Speaker 4 (31:27):
Something in the final segmenting the Cowboys have not done
since twenty twenty and they're saying they're going to do
it in the draft this year.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Why why why are they even saying that?
Speaker 6 (31:41):
Now?
Speaker 4 (31:42):
I wanted to get y'all's there is there some kind
of mind play going on here. Let's talk about that
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They want to see? All right, so word came out.
Was it yesterday that I heard this? Or two days ago?
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Stephen said they were Stephen Jones said the Cowboys wanted
to draft a quarterback this year.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
So my question is they never draft quarterbacks?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
What Danucci, Dak and Stephen McGee Are those the last
three quarterbacks they've drafted and all all in the late Well,
Stephen was what fourth rounder?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Dak was a fourth rounder? Danucci was what six or seven?
I think seventh? One? Why why now? And two? Why
say that publicly?
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Like because they don't really talk about things like that,
especially at the quarterback position. Why now would they? Is
there some kind of mind game going on with trying
to get more production out of that? Is that just
them talking out loud and indie and making conversation.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Is there any hidden meaning there? Are they just talking shop?
Speaker 5 (36:01):
I think probably talking shop? But I mean a lot
of teams they draft quarterbacks regularly. It's probably something that
should have been.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Like every year, take a fly instead of that guy
that's hurt in the sixth round that you might be
take take a flyer.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
You know, So it's probably that. I mean they don't
have a backup quarterback right now.
Speaker 8 (36:19):
I mean David Lance and Yah Cooper Rush of both free.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Agents and Lance, they pretty much said they're not bringing
back and Rush probably depending on these costs. And you've
got to I mean, if McCarthy was here, you probably
would have rush back, although Schottenheimer knows him.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
So if you do draft a quarter we have one
backup on the roster.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
We got Will, we got Will come on, Will Greer
and that beard go he's got He likes the hot
tops too. There's a lot of hot tops. He's got
a beard like you sh he does. If you draft
a quarterback, does that immediately that's a project, right.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
That's that's that's your third wood string.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Are bringing in another quarterback or two for two or
three for camp? For sure, you'd have Will Grear, you
have a Dak, you'd have this guy you draft, you
still bring another one in, right or do you draft
somebody and with the plan of last year, Yeah, but
you didn't draft one.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
You didn't have a rip.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
So do you bring a guy in and give him
a lot of reps and see what you got in
camp and then go with real will Griers your back up.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
If he doesn't show you that much, Like what would
you do there?
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Cooper ain't gone yet, is he? Yeah, fridg Yeah, but
he ain't gone yet.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
Right, well, he ain't get signed anywhere.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Yeah, he ain't gone yet, so please But.
Speaker 7 (37:32):
There are some one of the names that you hear
pop up sometimes of the guy like Dylan Gabriel quarterback
from out of a organ, not a.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
Not a big guy.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
UH played a lot of years, a lot of starts
in college and this is the guy who falls somewhere
around you know, the four or fifth round.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
Maybe you bring a guy like that in.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
I think the problem with the Cowboys this year, and
if Steven said that they're gonna probably try to get
a quarterback, and I'm sure they'll probably try to get quarterback.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
It's it's the uniqueness.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
And where you find yourself right now is that you
have so many needs.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Right, so where is that on the list?
Speaker 6 (38:09):
Right?
Speaker 8 (38:09):
Where does it fit on the list?
Speaker 7 (38:11):
Because at the end of the day, you still have
to use to use a Steven reference. At the end
of the day, you do have real grayer as a situation.
And you know, if Tom Moore said this back in
the day, Tom Moore, long time offensive line coach with
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the with the coach Peyton, we don't, we don't prepare.
Speaker 8 (38:37):
For the backup quarterback. We're ft. We're screwed. So no
matter if you get one or not, you lose the
starting quarterback, you're screwed.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Now.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
I don't I don't care what the backup is.
Speaker 7 (38:51):
You go, You're not going to get the same productivity,
the same level of skills, the same things.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
That you can do if you got to go to
the backup quarterback.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
So I mean, we can make the backup quarterback a
topic of conversation for conversation purposes, But.
Speaker 8 (39:05):
If you get to the backup quarterback, you're done. You're done.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Just hoping he can drive the bus for four games
and get your quarterback.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
If I'm really big, honest, I want Steven to go
go get us. Someone, go go get us, Jamis, go
get me. Someone's gonna give us some quotes. Go give
us someone who's gonna go get Jamis. J Chris Happen,
free agent.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
You should be in every meeting standing on the table
for them to mike him up on the sidelight every
single game.
Speaker 7 (39:34):
Go get me a guy that's gonna bring me a
level of entertainment. Go get me Jameis Winston and hell.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
I mean Jersey would he said, it'd be great.
Speaker 8 (39:41):
I would.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
I would jump to the fact that every single time
that there was anything that came on the dot com,
I'm watching it.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Do you know? Do you know in this building, the
way the media is and the way the podcast, the way.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
That locker room works, he would have his He would
be the only backup quarterback in the league with the
weekly press card. Yes, because our media would go talk
to him.
Speaker 8 (40:04):
He would be on he'd be calling into the local
radio shows. He'll be all the shows.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
And they'd let him around here like you know, it's
not New England like.
Speaker 7 (40:13):
You said, and and and Jamis might actually give you
thirty touchdowns. He might give it thirty interceptions, but he
gonna slang it.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Yep. Do the tours on Tuesdays?
Speaker 7 (40:25):
You know what happens that might need to be a
special like that might need to be like a podcast special,
like just the Jameis Winston random tours that he just
jumps in and takes people around that would be.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Funny, Kurt, do you want to go through Do you
have the report card pulled up?
Speaker 5 (40:41):
I do the.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
NFL report card. I think that's interesting. I think it
says a little bit about.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Yeah, it always gets people talking.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Yeah, go through a couple of those. The NFL so
set it up, tell everybody what it is.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
And yeah, the players Union each year pulls the players
and they, you know, give the team's grades on how
they treat them, a B, C, D whatever. And it's
everything from how they treat the families to what the
locker room like to the strength coaches.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
This is anonymous head coach ownership anonymous.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Yeah, so each team votes on their own guys. And
so the Cowboys and these rankings came out as the
tenth ranked tenth in their overall overall thing.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Okay, who ranked number one?
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Miami? Miami was number one, and South Beach.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I mean, is anybody unhappy to be there?
Speaker 5 (41:28):
Like, well, Minnesota was number two. You would think that
not quite as nice up there. Yeah, that's the thing
that was nice. But I mean, Cowboys great at high.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
But when do they do this?
Speaker 6 (41:40):
When?
Speaker 3 (41:41):
When is this.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
Sometime during the season during the season, because they head
coach actually got an A rating, which was McCarthy, so
they apparently liked him well enough.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
And the culture, they said, yeah, so they like the culture.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
So that's a good that's a good question.
Speaker 8 (41:58):
They said, that's what they like.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
The culture. Is the culture bad? Is it bad for winning?
Speaker 9 (42:09):
Like?
Speaker 4 (42:10):
Do we make too big of a deal out of
the culture on this side of the building and this
side of the wall, right? Or because they're not winning,
do we automatically gravitate because you hear about the culture's
got to change it's bad. But then this comes out
and then the players are like the culture is good?
Or is that because they're being coddled and they're getting
there like the bad kid that gets his ways, like, yeah,
I love being at dad's house. I hate going to
(42:31):
Marble because mom's a disciplinarian and she's making you mind?
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Right? Or who ere he three?
Speaker 8 (42:38):
Or who sets the culture? Who are the drivers of
the culture?
Speaker 5 (42:44):
That's the thing.
Speaker 8 (42:44):
It's the players. So the culture isn't good, it's your fault.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Yeah, they didn't kind of break it, like the locker
room feedback and how McCarthy handled their time and everything.
They gave him an a ownership, they gave them. They
don't say that they ranked sixteenth out of thirty two
is no, wait, twenty fifth out of thirty two. As
far as.
Speaker 7 (43:09):
Culture, and I do believe that that, like you heard
players talk about, like, you know, the way that Mike
Mike Michael from Pittsburgh, you what.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
He can't even say his name after he's gone.
Speaker 6 (43:21):
It's done.
Speaker 8 (43:23):
It's done with some respect.
Speaker 7 (43:25):
But they would say that he liked the way that
he handled, like, you know, looking at the numbers when
God needed the day off, you.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Know, time managed, time management.
Speaker 6 (43:34):
Low managed, all that kinds of thing.
Speaker 7 (43:35):
They did appreciate that, but it always, it always goes
back to the fact that, yeah, we're giving you time management.
Speaker 8 (43:44):
Yeah we're watching the low management and all this other stuff.
Speaker 7 (43:47):
Is it resulting when we needed to result in the
positive manner?
Speaker 4 (43:51):
I think it's kind of crazy that the players voted
on this.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
They gave him an A, which they want to win.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Winning's got a factor into that, because if you have
a coach that you like, you don't think he's doing
the right things to win you football games, you're not
going to give him an A. You're gonna be like, yeah,
he's a great guy. I love him, but look, we're
getting our ass kicked. He's getting a D from me.
I think it's very interesting that he got an A
and he's not here like your players liked it.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
What did what did Detroit? What did the winning teams
coaches get A plus?
Speaker 3 (44:21):
All of them? Did they really?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
If you go back in, look City A plus, Detroit
A plus, Minnesota A plus?
Speaker 6 (44:28):
What other?
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Okay? So what other teams got a's.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
That are not that that weren't in the playoffs, that
didn't go deep in the playoffs?
Speaker 3 (44:36):
Were there any? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (44:38):
Yeah, I had that pull up one job. Kurt no
got their hold on Atlanta, was third overall in the playoffs.
Head coach was an A plus.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
Okay, Oh, Dan Quinn, I'm sorry, the commander's got an
A plus two.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
Actually the head coach of the Panthers got to A minus.
Everything else.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Let's just let's just never throw that theory in that
grade completely out the window. What were some other interesting
things that jumped out to you from that?
Speaker 5 (45:09):
I like last year the training area got seas ranked
pretty low, but it was more about not enough staff.
They're saying that they don't have enough physical therapists and
things like that it's not necessarily the people that are
on staff or the facilities themselves. It's more of the
(45:29):
just not enough hands on deck.
Speaker 6 (45:32):
To Jesse, let's get out of it because.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
He tuned out.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah, deep diving on his backpacks on Yeah, yeah, we
got to get him.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
If you want to see the rest of the results,
go look at him online. Where can they go find
n f l p A dot com. N f l
p A dot com.
Speaker 6 (45:49):
Yeah, we had a good topic, but we washed it away.
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
When Jesse out of the person. Jesse is the glue
to the show. When the glue melts.
Speaker 5 (45:59):
I did find an interesting stat? Can I share this?
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (46:05):
You pull?
Speaker 5 (46:08):
This goes back to our Zach Martin talk in the
first segment. So I looked it up Pro Football Reference.
They have this metric called proximate value and they rank
all the players whatever.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
What does that mean?
Speaker 6 (46:20):
Proximate value?
Speaker 5 (46:20):
I can't tell you. It's like how they compare to
other players in the higher grade you get, the better
you are.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
I can't tell you the across different positions.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
Yeah you can, but okay, So I look it up.
Just for Cowboys linemen all time, all time, Zack Martin
has the highest rating something only five guys have over
one hundred. Jack Wmer is the highest. Larry Allen was second,
Tyron Smith was third. Uh Neely Ralph Neely from the
sixteen seventies was fourth. Our man, Nate Newton. What let's
(46:50):
go only five guys and cowboys cottage all of fame?
Speaker 3 (46:56):
WoT who are the top ten? Do you have the
I don't have the full worry about.
Speaker 6 (47:04):
Me and you gush? Thanks, k don't close. Every closes
that baby close. That's it?
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Hey, good seeing Kirk, good stuff, kurve your black shirts.
Speaker 6 (47:20):
You on top that.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
They said, Hey, hey, Derek, go look at uh go
look at our guy. What was his name, Matthew Espinoza.
Go look at his comment. We need to be on
twice a week, twice a week. My name money, money,
you got it, Chris, thanks for keep us on the air.
There's no one back there with you today, so I'm
not even gonna about them out. Thank you for showing
up and showing out and welcome back. Maybe I'll be
(47:43):
back on Fortnite in the next month or two.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Come on, we will be back next week, back twice
a week. We'll let you, Derek, we.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Are This has been a production of dallascowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club show.
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