April 17, 2025 • 65 mins
In this episode of the H.E.A.L. Her Podcast, Makini sit down with the visionary Doina Oncel, a social entrepreneur, financial educator, and founder of hEr VOLUTION, a Canadian nonprofit dedicated to creating opportunities in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math) for underserved young women.
From navigating financial hardship to being named one of Canada’s Top 100 Most Powerful Women, Doina’s journey is a masterclass in resilience, purpose, and the power of representation. We dive into her mission to bridge the gender gap in male-dominated industries, her creation of Money Made—a financial literacy program for youth—and the lived experiences that continue to fuel her work.
This episode is for you if you’ve ever wondered how to empower the next generation, build wealth rooted in healing, or rise from your circumstances with purpose.
What We Cover in This Episode:
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Doina’s path from adversity to impact
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Why inclusion in STEM matters now more than ever
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Financial literacy as a gateway to generational freedom
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How personal pain can birth a powerful purpose
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The role of mentorship and community in healing and elevation
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(00:00):
I'm Makini Smith. After going through a divorce, my
sister passing away, experiencing narcissistic abuse and some significant
health scares, I realized through sharing my story that
I wasn't alone in my suffering. Suffering, subjective distress
generated by the experience of being out of balance,
in a deep dive to holistically heal mind, body
(00:21):
and soul is where I discovered peace, clarity and
connection. It is impossible to be truly wise without
some real life hardship and we cannot develop post
traumatic wisdom without making it through and most importantly,
through it together. Social connection builds resilience and resilience
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helps create post traumatic wisdom. And that wisdom leads
to hope. Hope for you and others, witnessing and
participating in your healing and hope for your community.
A healthy community is a healing community and a
healing community is full of hope because it has
seen its own people weather survive and thrive. Sis,
(01:25):
let's talk real healing for a moment because true
wellness starts from within. If you've ever struggled with
recurring yeast infections, gut imbalances or just feeling off
in your body, I see you and I want
to tell you about a product I genuinely stand
behind. It's called Muna by Imana Health, an oral
(01:47):
probiotic created by two incredible Black women, doctors and
best friends. Friends who understand our bodies from the
inside out. Muna supports your vaginal health, boosts your
immune system and fits easily into your daily ritual.
One capsule once a day. It's dairy free, gelatin
(02:09):
free, travel friendly and infused with intention. I always
say healing is your responsibility, but you don't have
to do it alone. So if you're ready to
nourish your body with love, science and soul, visit
emanahealth.com to try muna today. That's emanahealth.com because healed
(02:31):
women heal women. Today's guest is Doyna Ansell. She's
a visionary, social entrepreneur, financial educator and advocate for
diversity, equity and inclusion. She is the founder and
CEO of hervolution, a Canadian nonprofit organization committed to
providing young women from diverse and underserved backgrounds with
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access to stem that's science, technology, engineering and mathematics
education and career opportunities. With a passion for bridging
the gender gap in male dominated industries, Dona has
led initiatives that equip young women with the skills,
mentorship, and resources needed to excel in STEM fields.
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Her dedication to empowering others has earned her numerous
accolades, including being named one of women Canada's most
powerful women, top 100 award winners and a role
model in Barbie's you Can Be Anything campaign. She's
also been recognized as a trailblazer by the Women
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in IP Institute of Canada for her leadership and
commitment to innovation. In addition to her work in
STEM advocacy, Duina is a licensed Financial advisor broker
dedicated to financial literacy and wealth building education. She
created Money Made, the four week online course that
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sets your teen up for a lifetime of financial
success, an interactive program designed to teach real world
money skills such as budgeting, saving and investing in
a simple and relatable way. Through this initiative, Doyna
is on a mission to equip young people and
families with the knowledge and confidence to build wealth
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and create a life of freedom and choice. Drawing
from her personal experience of overcoming financial hardship, she
understands the importance of financial literacy and strives to
help others break free from economic limitations, step into
financial independence and design a future they truly own.
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So please welcome to the show Doina.
Thanks for having me.
Thank you so much for agreeing to come on
and share your story and your expertise with us.
I do my best. I'll do my best to
be my best just for you.
McKinney, I appreciate you. You know, we've been connected
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on social media for many years. We have mutual
friends and it's just been this year where I've
gotten a chance really connect with you and I'm
like, why have we not connected sooner? Right. So
I, I love that our listeners get a chance
to get to know you as well.
Thank you. I appreciate that. Actually, it is true
we have known each other for many years and
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we do have mutual friends and we have met
in person a couple of times, but we never
really got a chance to really sit and talk.
Yeah.
And then lately, you know, social media is a
great connect. It's very toxic sometimes, but also great
connected if you know how to use it really
well. And I personally have been very intentional about
the use of social media, who I connect with.
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And because I really love your post, you know,
I try to engage as much as possible. So
I think that's why I've been top of mind.
And here we are.
Here we are. I appreciate that and I totally
agree with you. I feel like social media can
be very toxic, but also it's been a place
where I've built deeper connections with amazing people that
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I probably wouldn't have the opportunity to connect with
had I not been on social media. So I
agree with it. You know, when you're intentional with
it and you're intentional about building connections that align,
it can be an amazing space.
Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely.
Just like everything in life, right?
Yeah. So, okay, so let's start at the beginning.
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I'd Love, if you could share with the listeners
a bit about your background and I guess, the
pivotal moments that you feel shaped who you are
today.
God, I have so many pivotal moments. Which one
do I start with? Do we have only. Okay,
so actually, the most important one for me, and
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that goes back about 15 years ago, is when
I. You probably already know this. And the listeners
that know me probably already know this. I have
experienced domestic violence, and I ended up in women's
shelter. And at that time, I was also homeless
because I couldn't. They literally kicked me out of
the place where I was at. They said, you
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can't afford rent, get out with two kids, and
I was $60,000 in debt. And while I'm in
the shelter, I'm having dinner with my kids, and
I'm just thinking about, I don't know what. What
am I going to do with my life? And
then my daughter, my oldest daughter, she was about
7 years old then, and she. She was having
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the time of her life because for her, she
had a whole bunch of kids that she could
play with. She didn't have to be stuck at
my schedule, and she could have a lot of
fun. And then when we're having dinner, she said,
mom, when I grow up, I want to be
just like you. And I was just like, you
know, this. This thing, when you go, you hit
a wall that you really need to hit. You
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know, that's how I felt. And I said, I
need to change my life because whatever I do
with my life, my kids get to do the
same, and I can be pointing fingers at them
if I don't do, you know, much better with
my life, you know, I don't make better choices.
So that was the pivotal moment for me because
I felt that my choices is not just affecting
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me, but it's affecting my children. So, you know,
and that was. That was huge for me to
know that I can do something. And honestly, when
the times were really tough, through that process, trying
to come up for air when times are really
tough, the thing that I remember the most and
that kept me going, what. I'm doing this for
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them. I'm doing this for my kids. It's not
just for me. So I have to work twice
as hard, you know, to make sure that it's
not. I'm not going to let them down. And
I felt like that was. That was. That was
huge for me. That was. And it was. It
was the fuel that I needed, really. And it
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came at the right time, you know, at the
right time when she Said that because I really
was lost.
You know, they say nothing happens before it's time.
I like so one, I'm sorry that you even
had to experience what you went through. But I
also feel like our adversities, you know, they shape
us, right?
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Yes.
You know, I feel like soft times make soft
people. And I feel like if we had not
experienced the adversities that we had and if we
had not chosen to push through and persevere and
to move forward and to set a better example
for our children, then we wouldn't be where we
are today.
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Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Yeah. With diamonds, you know, diamonds go through so
much. You know what I mean? You go through
so much before you become a diamond. So the
same with us. Right? And I believe, I strongly
believe that for us, we always put in a
place where we're supposed to be. We're always supposed
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to be there. And the thing that I found
that worked for me, that got me out of
those situation, ask myself, what am I supposed to
learn from this? And once I learn my lesson,
I move on to the next struggle.
Yes.
You know, it's like the next thing comes up.
Because the thing is, the reality is struggles don't
ever end. And I now embrace it. I feel
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like, okay, so I'm learning a lot more about
myself and I get to. Because when I look
back and all the struggles that I've overcome, it
makes me feel like I've done that already. I've
already been there. Like, you know, of course it's
tiring, but at the same time, I feel like
I've already been through, like, literally, for me, I
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felt like I was the lowest of the low
when like I'm in debt with two kids, one
is not even one year old. Like, you know
what I mean? Seven months year old plus a
seven year old and no money. It's like $60,000
debt. I have no place. I depend on food
bank the longest time. And can you go any
lower than that? I don't really think so. You
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know what I mean? So I feel like if
I've been there and I overcome that, anything that
comes at me right now, I could do it,
you know? Yeah. It's just a matter of reframing
my thinking that, you know, things are possible for
me to change my life and you just what
is it that I want? Like, what is it
that I decide and go with that and that
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I feel like that's the best.
I feel like the perspective that you have is
what is transformative. I think, you know, sometimes people
will go through a thing and they choose to
become a victim or they feel like they don't
have any choices. Right? Right. But sometimes us choosing
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to stay in the same position is a choice.
We feel like we didn't make that intentionally. But
you looked at the experiences that you've gone through
and choosing to be reflective and say, what can
I learn from this? Right. Because a lot of
us are going through life and we're repeating the
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same mistakes, so we're not learning the lesson, so
we're getting the same adversities and then saying, why
me? Right.
Yes.
You choosing to do better, you choosing to learn
from that and allowing that to shift your paradigm,
your. Your mindset, your way of thinking on not
only how can you learn from this and do
better for yourself, for your children, but also the
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community because of what you've experienced.
Absolutely. I've actually been to a personal development seminar
because my thing was I need to work on
myself personally. The only way to change my surroundings
is to changing me. And if I don't change
me, I can't change my surroundings and I can't
change another person. I can't decide for another person.
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It is only me that I can change. So
to the personal development seminars that I took, and
the one thing I realized was that we make
choices in life. Well, I realized a lot of
things from that personal seminar, but a couple of
things, especially this one, is we make choices based
on consequences and rewards. And sometimes being a victim,
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some people take it as a reward for them
because they feel they don't have to do anything.
They're waiting on other people to do stuff. But
that's also consequence because now you have to wait
on people to do stuff for you. So that's
why when you take matters on your own hand,
when you decide like, I'm going to make choices
based on what I think is good for me,
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not waiting on other people to make decisions for
me, and being a victim, it's actually going to
put me in a position where I don't always
want to be. It's. It's when. When I. That
came onto my mind, you know, I was like,
okay, I need to. I'm not victim anymore. Yes,
things have happened without my consent or without me
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having to be to making that decision at the
same time is what I do from here. It's
my choice. So that was. For me, that was
powerful. Huge.
Yeah, absolutely. And I can totally relate. I'm thinking
of how similar our stories are. It's like, yes,
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I left an abusive relationship I was a single
mom of three. I probably had the same amount
of debt at the time. All the things. And
I know at first I was definitely living in
the victim mindset and I was allowing it to
consume me and physically being diagnosed with fibromyalgia, where
my body was shutting down, the anxiety, the depression,
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all the things. But I was living in victim
mode. I. I was like, okay, well I don't,
I don't know what to do. This is like,
I guess this is life. But it was shifting
my perspective, my mindset and focusing on, okay, this
is not the life that I want for my
children.
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Right.
What legacy do I want to leave? How will
my healing impact them? How will you know, like,
just choosing different has put us in the position
that we're in today.
Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I have like, yes,
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yes, absolutely. Mic drop. Yes.
Okay, so. So let's, let's go back a little
bit. So tell us what inspired you to create
Hervolution and what was your vision when you created
it?
So with Revolution, I listen, I came to Canada,
I was 19. I didn't have one person that
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I could rely on for any form of advice
or anything. I know that if I would have
had better people around me, I would have probably
been an engineer. So. And I didn't have like,
I didn't have the education background. I just finished
high school from back home in Romania. I came
to Canada for a better life. And then I'm
like, okay, this is not that much better. You
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know, I'm here by myself. I don't have community,
I don't have people. I live with my dad,
who was also abusive. And you know, my, my
homeless situation 15 years ago was not the first
time. My homeless situation was 10 months after I
came to Canada. Like I was literally throwing in
the street and didn't speak a word of English.
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I didn't have, you know, resources. I didn't have
people around me. And so I didn't know where
to go, what to do. So now I knew
I wanted to do something with my life. And
when I was growing up, when I was a
kid, I knew I wanted to be a teacher
or a lawyer because I have seen how women
were treated like second class citizen back home.
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I wanted to do something for women when as
a teacher, I love kids minds and how they're
just so curious about everything. And then when you
see, I felt even, especially with my kids, like
seeing the world for the first time through their
eyes is like the most amazing thing that you
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can ever Experience really now I also needed to
make money. So with revolution especially, you know, I
was on welfare. Like I mentioned, I was homeless
15 years ago.
Being shelter and not having money, I was on
welfare. I wanted to do something. I want to
go to school to. I knew at that point
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I wanted to study social work because I thought
like that would be the best for me. Having
done a whole bunch of tests, you know, the
desk assessments and all that kind of stuff, everything
just came back like I have to be doing
something where I can help people. And I feel
like social work is probably the best thing for
me because I love doing this type of work
where I could help you people. Especially if I
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have been through something and I came out of
it and I can help them like make their
life easier.
I feel the world would be so much better.
So that's just my thought process now. While I
worked in, I went to school, I went to
college, I did two years of the AWCCA program,
which is the social work with the feminist perspective.
And then I worked in the social work for
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a couple of years and I didn't like it
because I thought everything was about numbers. Like, let's
check this box. And then we good on paper
we look like we're doing great job on in
the real world, there's no nothing that is done
that is sustainable in terms of impact. And I
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was like, well, I don't want to do this.
The reason why I came into this field is
because I wanted to change something.
And then I came out of it. I started
doing digital marketing because I'm very curious about how
things work. I'm telling you, I could have been
an engineer. If I would have had someone to
kind of guide me, I would have been an
engineer. I would have been building things because I
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love taking things apart to put it back together
and bring me so much joy.
So then I work in digital marketing for a
bit. I started creating my own content, my own
curriculum to help people understand how to use social
media for the professional development. And it was all
just me trying to create it on my own.
Like I didn't have any of this training, formal
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training, first of all, at that time did not
even exist. Now I go and I look at
university, they have, you can go to University of
Toronto, you can learn digital marketing. I used to
create that curriculum for people that would pay me
to teach them this stuff. So I was like,
how amazing this world is.
But now while I'm there, I saw how those
women. So I would have clients that wanted me
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to not only teach them about social media, but
also build websites for them. I'm like, why me?
Because I don't even know how to do this.
What is this website building? Like, this is foreign
to me. And then of course I'm like, sure,
if you pay me money, I'll do it. I'm
an entrepreneur at heart, really. So I'm like, okay.
I said, there's some money to be made here.
I went and I, I would sign up for
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workshops. I didn't have much money. So my thing
is, if I'm paying $40, $40 for me was
like a one week budget for groceries, okay? So
if I pay one week of groceries worth of
this workshop, I better walk away with enough education
so I can pay the bills for the month.
So of course when I go there, my hand
is always up asking all kind of questions. What,
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what does it actually mean? Like, I'm not walking
away with another instance, understanding what things are.
So now I'm being in this rooms women. Well,
first of all, there's only like maybe out of
30, 40 people, literally about 10% women. There are
women there, or maybe less than 10%, let's say
out of 30, 40 people. I'm not good at
math, but I work with money and I work
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with things, but I'm not good at math. So.
But so out of 30, 40 people, three or
four of them were women, myself included. And those
women come to me because like, how do I
have my hand up all the time and asking
questions? My man is like, I pay money for
this.
I need to walk out information. So now, when
I started communicating with them, and that's where I
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learned that in the world of stem, which I
didn't know what that was, there's not enough women
in this field. And then I learned about discrimination.
That's happening. Some of them have said, and funny
enough, like different events, different women. The stories were
so similar in terms of when I go to
work, when there's some sort of training, I'm supposed
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to know everything already.
Because if I put my hand up, clarify. One
woman said, I got anxiety when I saw how
many times you get your hand out. So I'm
like, would anybody come and say something to you
Discriminatory? And so I thought, I did some research
and I found that there's not enough women in
STEM. That was 15 years ago. And especially in
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Canada, I couldn't really find statistics of any kind,
really. And even in the United States, where I
found resources, if you look at women in leadership,
black women, Latina women, immigrant women. The numbers were
almost non existent.
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You know, you became that somebody.
Until my mentor's like, you're that somebody. I'm like,
what? So I create a revolution based on that.
Wow, that's beautiful. Yeah, I always, I'm always in
awe of people like yourself, where you're like, okay,
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there's a need here. Let me provide a solution.
Because so often there is a need for something
or someone's like, well, someone should create, but there's
no thought of being like, oh, I'm going to
be that someone.
Right, right, right. So I, because again, we're like,
we're getting, putting ourselves in those environments and then
we think like, this is such a great idea.
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But sometimes we don't see ourselves as that person
that could do it until somebody would point it
out and like, actually you are that person. And
you look in the mirror like, actually, I am
that person.
Yes, you're that girl.
I'm that person.
So you, you shared with us you've had significant
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financial struggles at different points in your life today.
What does financial freedom mean to you beyond just
the income and the wealth?
To be able to create a schedule that you
are happy with, that brings you joy when your
time does not depend on somebody else's clocking in
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and clocking out, like, that's. I don't think I
could ever work for somebody right now, you know,
and you know, it just brings joy. And another
thing is like, to be able to provide for
my kids something that they need and they want.
It's not just about. Because I don't spoil my
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kids. At least I don't think so. But some
people might say otherwise. But, but I mean, to
know that especially this is my thought process. I
came to Canada for a better life. I knew
that maybe, maybe it might not really happen for
me, but I knew that I was that person
that would break a whole bunch of cycles. Yeah,
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right. I was that person to break some of
those cycles, including, you know, violence, you know, poverty,
even parenting or, you know, all of these things,
like even mindset, you know, trying to break some
of those cycles. So because to me it was,
that was very important. And I knew that if
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it's not really if I'm going to be that
person to push through, some things may not happen
for me. However, the choices that I make, the
things that I do, my kids will benefit and
their kids, it Means, like, now I'm leaving that
legacy because one of the things I always wanted,
I said, I want to live forever. And some
people were saying, like, that's not possible. I said,
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actually it is, because by the choices that you
make right now, your legacy and that effect from
your choices, I will live forever. And not only.
Sometimes you can. You might only change one person's
life, but that person is going to talk about
you to their kids, and then their kids will
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know, and their kids will know, and then your
children, the same thing. For me, I feel like
for my kids, I can. They can feel that
I did something for them. And I also wanted
to be that person that I didn't have as
a child. Like, I didn't have someone to protect
me as a child. You know, I didn't have
somebody to stand up for me as a kid.
I didn't have somebody to say, you want to
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go to school and you want to be an
artist? Let's do it. You know, explore that. Let's
see what happens. I never had that, so I
wanted to be that for my kids. So I
feel like when it comes to financial freedom, it
allows you to do certain things that, you know,
some people before you were not able to do.
Really. For me, it comes down to that. And
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I know now that, you know, even with money,
like, trauma comes with money, trauma as well. So
when we have in our family people that have
gone to trauma, poverty, and they bring that to
you, and then you think, like, I'm always going
to be poor. Money is only for those people.
Like, money is only, you know, wealth is only
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for those. Is those people. And they must be
bad. And this is why this is happening, because
they're cheating and they do. Like, you can't really
have money doing something good. And so I wanted
to change that too. You know what I mean?
For me, I wanted to change for my kids
to put in their mind that, you know, having
money is not a bad thing. Having money, you
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can make the choices that you want. You can
live the best life, and you also inspire others
to do the same. And the more money you
have, the more good you can do in the
world. You can change that. You know what I
mean? You can change the bad thoughts about people
having money. All the bad. You can change that
narrative. So you.
You shifted the, I guess the. The. The money
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mindset from survival mode to, like, financial success by
thinking about. Yeah, you know, because I. I know
people that I've grown up with that are in
social work, and they believe that Money is. Is
evil. And rich people are all evil. But I've
been some of the most generous, wealthy people on
the planet, and even they understand that the more
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money you have because it's a tool, the more
it allows you to help and to serve.
Absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, the first thing they
teach you in social work school, it's like, you
don't do this work for money. You're out there
to sacrifice and give all you got for nothing.
And then you come in and you're, like, overworked,
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overwhelmed, underpaid, longer coming to, you know, chicken. Like,
you need to pay the rent. And you feel
like, what am I doing? So there's all these
mixed messages, which I wish I could change because
it's okay to do good. But first and foremost,
you have to take care of yourself. If you
don't take care of yourself mentally, physically, financially, you
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can't take care of other people like Oprah says
you have when your cup run it over, that's
when you can give to other people. And the
same goes with money. The same goes with your
time, your mind, your resources. You have to make
sure that you are replenished first.
Yes. Right?
Yes.
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I love it, and I 1000% agree with you.
I grew up in environments where everyone was pouring
from empty cups. You know, people who lived in
poverty, government housing, were probably also on welfare. But
everyone is giving what they don't have, and then
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they're exhausted, mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually. And now that
I've evolved from those environments and pouring from my
overflow, the people that were part of my past
are judging, saying, well, you have all of this.
You know, you're selfish. You're not. Like. It's like,
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I have worked so hard on myself, on my
business, on my family, on my healing to get
here, and other people want to dictate what I
do with my resources.
We're going back to choices. So you made your
choices to be who you want to be, to
become that person. They made the choices to stay
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where they are. But, you know, there's a saying,
misery loves company. So they want to bring you
back, because if they. If. If they want to
be where you are, it means that they have
to do the work, and they don't really want
to.
Like, it's a lot. It's so hard, and I
don't blame them. I'm not here to judge anybody,
but I'm here to also say, take responsibility for
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your actions, because, you know, you have done. I
have had the same thing happen to me When
I made the decision, my thing was like this.
I remember. So when I came from the shelter,
I moved home, my own place with my kids.
My way of healing, for lack of a better
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word, like I wear a healing, was to go
out and party.
So how my party friends would go to orpest
Road by $2 shirts, $3 skirt and I'm like,
I'm out to a boat party. You see me
three or four times a week, I'll be at
a boat party. So I'll be like dancing and
you know, one day. So I had, I already
paid for the ticket. And you know, mind you,
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I was low income. So like to pay $30
to go to a boat party was a lot
of money.
But you know, to be honest, you, I didn't
care. Again, it means like you can make choices
and somehow things start to manifest. Why don't we
make good choices, the things we want and let's
manifest that. But you know, now I'm, I pay
for the ticket, my friend is waiting for me
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and before I left I looked in the fridge
and we didn't have milk. My kids were about,
I think, I don't know, almost 10 years old
and, and three years old at that point. So
we didn't have milk and I looked at my
bank account, I only had $10 in my account.
So. But I have to say again, this is
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an example how things don't happen to us, they
happen for us.
So I'm just saying look at the fridge, I'm
like, I have no milk. My kids gonna want
milk because when they wake up in the morning
they want the cereal and they want the milk
and I can't be taking that away from them.
So. And then I'm going to the, to the
boat party and I can't swim. So I'm like,
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if I'm already stuck there, I want to come
home.
I can't jump in and just go home. I'm
stuck in that boat party. But at the same
time, it really was the best thing that ever
happened to me because I am sitting and I'm,
I'm about to go to the bar and I'm
thinking if I'm going to spend $10 on a
drink, means I can buy milk for my kids.
What choice do I want to make right now?
Do I want to have buy a drink, have
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a really good time and I'll deal with the
rest tomorrow, whatever comes, or do I want to
save that money and just buy my, buy milk
for my kids? And I thought I've Already came
to a party, so I've already given something to
myself. But also I'm thinking I need. And I
went back to thinking, while my daughter said, when
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I grew up, I want to be just like
you.
Is this what I want for her? Is this
how I want her to see me? That I'm
someone that I cannot provide? So I. I sat
on a chair. People come and ask me to
dance, or even men were offering me drinks. I
said, nope, this is my reflection time. While they're
playing SOCA in the background, I was sitting in
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the corner thinking, like, what am I going to
do with my life? And I thought to myself,
you know what? I love going out, having a
good time.
I love spending time with my friends, my friends,
any of my friends. But at the same time,
I love providing for my kids. I love seeing
my kids happy, too. And so you know what?
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I'm not going to say I'm going to take
away this going out ever. I'm saying I'm going
to go out, but in my terms. So I
need to change this. What does that look like
for me? And, you know, as soon as I
got home, like, I got out of that boat
and I went straight to my car and I
went straight, straight home and I went straight to
my computer and I wrote a business plan.
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Wow.
I said, I'm going to open up a business
and just because I need to make money. And
then what happened is when I stopped going out,
because I immediately stopped, I said, when I'm going
to out the game, yes, I'm going to go
with enough money when I can afford both milk
and a good time, you know, so. So my
friends were like saying, like, well, now you think
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you're better. You don't want to go out anymore.
And I said, I don't think I'm better than
you. I just think I'm going in this direction.
If you want to come with me, great, let's
go together. If not, I'm not going back to
that. You know, I'm not going back to that.
So I just let those people go. You know,
I just thought that was the best decision for
me. Selfish. Some people might think so, but I
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think the most unselfish thing is to do those
selfish or to have those selfish choices so that,
that way I can be everything, whatever I need
for people that need me versus you know what
I mean?
Yeah. There's so much that you said there that
I. I want to unpack. And I'm like, do
I start at the front or the End. So,
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okay, let's start with a couple of things. When
you first started talking and you're like, what was
healing for you was to go to these parties
and go dancing. So I think sometimes we do
things unconsciously and don't realize how they are actually
helping. Like if we don't realize the psychology behind
it. I think it was probably the book what
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Happened to you with Dr. Bruce Perry and Oprah,
but they were talking about, I think it's like
in the African communities and in the indigenous communities,
how dance is a form of healing.
Right.
So our. Our movement, how that is, you know,
it's releasing negative energies and putting us on a
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certain. All those things. Right. So the dancing is
healing, right?
Yeah.
So there's definitely nothing wrong with that there. And
then you choosing saying to yourself, well, that's what
brings you joy. No matter what we're going through,
if we don't find the joy in those moments,
then it's hard for us to push through. So
you finding your joy in going to those boat
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parties probably helped you get through those hard times,
because instead of isolated at home, along with your
kids being depressed, all those things that helped to
bring you joy. But then also when you were
going to those parties and you realize, okay, there's
no milk in the fridge at home. I'm going
to this party because it's what brings me joy.
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But. But let me reflect now and think about
my movements going forward, where you were able to
reflect and take a look at what's a priority
for you. And you think about the legacy that
you want to leave, where it's like, okay, yes,
you can still have your moments of joy. You
can still do these things. But priority, in order
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for you to be the mother that you desire
to be and to leave the legacy you desire
to leave your priority, you came home, you were
motivated, you were given drive, and you came home
from that party and you made your business plan.
Yeah. Yes. You know, I come from Romania. For
us, dance, it's also a form of healing, a
form of joy and a form of community. Like,
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you have people in the countryside and they go,
and like, the building is about. We think it's
about to fall down. And the people from North
America, they're probably like, I am not going inside
because it looks like there's about drop on me.
But Romanians don't care. They're like shaking on the
ground and they dance. Like, for us, dance is
such a release of any bring. It does bring
joy, like endorphins. And you laugh with people and,
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you know, you're having good times, so. Yes, I.
I agree. But I just want to mention that
we have that too, back home.
I love it.
I love it.
I. I wanted to speak to your money made
the online course that you have.
Yes.
What inspired you to create that course for financial
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literacy?
So ever since 15 years ago, financial literacy has
been my. My mission to learn from myself. So
when I had, the only people calling me was
bill collectors. I'm like, I need to have. I
need to make them my friends. But, well, I
have been in that place where it was dark.
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It felt like it was again, I don't know
how I'm gonna get out, really. And again, it's
just education and learning about how money works is
what helped me get out of there. I started
while I was, you know, welfare. I started investing
$20 a month for each of my kids. So
20 and 20, $40 a month was for the
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education because I thought, what do I want for
my kids? I want them to have education. I'm
on welfare. I don't have a lot of money.
But if I move some things around, I'll figure
it out. Because again, it's like making the choice
of what's important to you. Things start to unfold,
what. Whatever. You know what I mean? Like, you
get that that's something to show up. It's time
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to show up. Right. So I started investing in
their education. And then any workshop, any seminar, anything
to do with how money works in all areas.
Real estate investing, stock market, insurance, like, anything that
I could put my hands on. Anybody would say,
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like, I'm there. I would travel two hours. I
didn't care. Like, I just got to learn. And
I felt like that education got me to the
point where I don't have to worry about money.
So what was it? It's my daughter's. Yes. Fifteen
years ago, I was homeless. And then through all
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that education, 10 years later, almost 10 years later,
I bought my. My first property.
Congrats.
So thank you. So it feels like it's doable.
Yes.
You know, and I feel like I have been
through that. And now I want to teach people
that if you are in that situation, there's hope.
I'm. I'm proof that you can come out. I'm
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proof that financial literacy, it's. It's. Is the way
out, really. And I created the money made course
not just for grown people, but for kids as
well, especially for family, because I feel like doing
it as a family. And that's what I done.
With my kids, like doing it as a family
where you sit down and you have open conversations
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about money. And we all know sometimes the money
trauma, it's not sometimes, always money trauma is a
real thing. And sometimes we hide things as parents,
we hide things from kids, we want to shelter
them and then they go out in the real
world, they have no idea how to what money,
life, anything, right? So. Or you can just put
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into the bad negative thoughts into like, we don't
have money, money is bad. And then they go
all day and they spread struggle. So either way
they kind of struggle. So I want to be
that person to help people work as a family
and to learn about how money works and make
decisions for themselves and whatever works. Because I also
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know that when you go to a bank, again,
speaking from experience, when I go to the bank,
I couldn't open an account or I didn't want
to give me any sort of help because I
didn't have $5,000 in the bank or, you know,
so I'm like, so how am I going to
make that $5,000 if you don't teach? You know
what I mean? So I want to teach people
to have that and I want to teach them
about what products and what is out there. So
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that when you go to the bank or you
talk to a financial advisor, you understand where you
are, right? Because I'm thinking of it this way.
Let's say you want to buy a car. You're
a family of four people and you want to
buy a car. If you don't understand what you
actually need from that car, you end up into
a dealership. And next, you know, they sell you
a, a two seater convertible. So you're like, yeah,
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you know, and you walk home and you realize
that's not exactly what I needed. It looks nice.
It's like, oh my God, like everybody's looking around,
look so cool. But it's not what I actually
need. So I want to be that person to
teach people about the money and, and work as
a family towards like, you know, help them break
those generational poverty and then build generational wealth. And
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it only starts that if we teach our kids
early and then if we, we as a family,
we, you know, we work through that together versus
separate. Right?
Yeah. I love that. I love that. How would
you define success now compared to when you first
started?
Honestly, I think success is a journey. I think
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I feel the day I die. Well, the day
right before I die, I want to look at
my life and say, I've done everything I wanted
to do. And I've learned everything there was to
learn before I check out. Right. And I think
success for me at this point is looking back
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and feeling like I made the choices for me.
And whatever choice it was, whether some people think
is bad or good, it doesn't really matter. I
made what choices I wanted to make and I
basically went to the finish line with that choice,
with that decision that I made. And I don't
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believe in failure. I think we succeed in every
choice that we make because if we don't get
that success that we thought was success, we get
some other form of success which comes through learning,
which comes. We get to learn about ourselves, we
get to learn about life, we get to learn
about so many things and sometimes we actually get
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more from that because we learn even things that
we didn't think about that is possible or that
we could actually learn or that we, you know,
that's it. You don't know what you don't know,
Right? So the same, that's how I feel. I
don't, I don't believe in failure. I don't think
we fail ever. I think we just learn how
to do things in a different way. I agree.
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I agree. Well, what is one essential financial habit
that every young person or even adult should develop
early on?
Build a relationship with money. Don't be scared to
look at your money. Don't be scared to know
how much money you have, how much money you
need. You know, just really honestly build a relationship
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with money. Build the healthy relationship, meaning I accept
the money, but if I don't have the money,
don't be scared to not look at your bank
account or say, oh, I don't have it and
therefore I'm not going to achieve something. No, look,
I say I don't have it, but in order
for me to get that I need this much,
what do I need to do together? You know
what I mean? Or if you have the money
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says, what am I going to do with this
money? To bring me joy or to bring me
the things that I want from life versus just,
you know, because sometimes, you know, they say that
people that win the lottery in like two years,
they just below, below be pre lottery winnings, right?
And all because they don't have that relationship with
money and they just want to get rid of
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them so fast. They don't understand the things that
they can do with the money. And so that's
why I build a relationship with money from really
young. You know, I teach my kids, like, if
you want Something with my daughter. So you want,
you want. She has like 400 beats. She's 15,
16, actually. Sorry, she's just 16. She's 16. She
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just, since she was 12, she's buying like really
expensive stuff now with my money. With her money?
Yeah, just give an allowance. She's like, she knows
what she wants. She's saving her money. So if
I want to get that now, I need like
50 more. Okay, wait a minute. My birthday is
coming. My, you know, this, like, can I do
some extra chores? Can I do something for this?
You know, how can I make, you know what
I mean? She, when I give her money, say,
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oh, I'm not gonna buy, I'm not gonna buy
this junk food. I'm just gonna save it because
that's what's important to me. So I have, you
know, with my oldest daughter, she's like, you know,
she started learning about money when she started getting
her first job. Because before she's mom provides everything.
And now she, like I said, now you're responsible
to pay for your own, you know, buy your
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own food if you want, buy your own clothes,
buy your own whatever. And then now she goes
like, wait a minute, this is kind of expensive.
So now she's like, looking at things. Do I
really want this? You know what I mean? Like,
do I really want this?
Yeah.
So it's building that relationship with money to understand
that money, it's a tool and it can give
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you the things that you want if you have
that relationship with money. And it will, you know
what I mean? You will get it or you
know exactly where to spend it to help you
build joy, not other people. Don't please other people
with your money. You know what I mean? And
it's funny because I am in the charity world,
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so usually people donate and I, I, I believe
in donation too. Like, I think people should give,
but don't give before you have it for yourself.
Right. It's okay to give. It's okay to. Because
again, the more money we have, the more money
we give. Absolutely. If you feel that there's a
cause out there that is important to you, that's
another reason for you to make more money. Because
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you want to build justice. You want to create
justice in the world. So. But don't do it
just because other people do it. Do it for
you.
Yes.
You know, Absolutely.
I agree. I agree. I. With, with all that
you've been through and with all that you do,
what role does self care play in your financial
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and personal success there?
I used to Think that self care is like
bubble bats and getting my manicure and pedicure and
all that kind of stuff. And it's nice. I'm
like, it's nice. I love it. Yes, it's nice.
But now I think of self care differently. I
feel like I love myself enough where I create
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a. A plan for my life that I ensure
that every single day I have some form of
joy or I'm not gonna. For example, the one
thing I'm working on is, like, not overworking myself
to the point that I'm, like, exhausted. I spend,
like, a little bit of time for myself. Not
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doing things that are. I don't like or I
don't. Doesn't bring me joy. You know what I
mean? Make sure that I have a schedule. I
follow it, because I think, you know, at the
end of the day, I think I'm like, what
is it I want? What do I want from
today? What do I want from this week? What
do I want from this year? You know? And
are my choices and my decisions going towards that
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or the things I don't want? And for me,
I feel like that's the best health care I
can give myself because it's like pouring into myself.
Right. Make sure my cup run it over. Yeah,
that's how I think of self care. It's still
a work in progress, but I'm so much better
than how I was even five years ago.
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I love it. I love it. What's a piece
of advice that you would give to a woman
that's listening right now about trusting the journey and
embracing where she's at right now?
I know it's very hard for some people to
trust the journey. I know it's very hard to
seek, especially people that have gone through so much
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trauma. Like, how do I trust? Because trust comes
into place. But first and foremost, I think start
with trusting yourself. Because once you start, trust yourself
that you got out of a situation or you
got out of a place where it was, you
know, you. It was you that did it. You
made that choice to come out of that. And
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even if you are in a situation where you
think, oh, my God, it's not happening, trust that
other people have done it and are successful, come
out of it, like myself, like you. You know,
we were in abusive relationship. We came out of
it, and we are okay, so trust that you
know it will come into place. And just really
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honestly, I feel like we think so much about
the things that we don't want, and we keep
on attracting that. So let's Make a list of
the things that we want. What do you want
from life? Because I know something that came up
for me. I've. I've taken therapy. I know you
talk a lot about therapy in your show, and
I love it. I love. I love therapy. But
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I think therapy can mean so different. Like, there's
so many different ways to get right, so. But.
And I. Once in a while, I like to
talk to somebody, but once in a while, I
do stuff on my own. I journal and my
incense. I wear my crystals. I talk to my
friends. I do my things, you know, but when
I had my. My therapist, and I feel like,
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you know, I go therapy. I get what I
need, I take a break, apply it, and then
move on. You know what I mean? I come
back for what I need. So. But my therapist
at that time, she said, what do you want?
Because I went to her about certain things like
this. All this is happening to me, and I'm
like, my life is whatever. So. And then she's
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like, what do you want? I'm like, I don't
know what I want, but I have a long
list of things I don't want. Yeah, right. I
said, well, this is why you keep on getting
this now. You need to make a list of
what you want. I'm like. And like, what do
you mean? Well, anything. When it comes to love,
when it comes to life, when it comes to
parenting, when it comes to friendships, you just have
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to have a list of at least 20 things
that you want from each category. And every day,
you read that out loud. And as you start
reading it, something, there's something. Especially when you write
it with your own hand. No typing. Write it
with your own hand, and then you reflect on
it. And you look at that list every day,
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you realize that it's possible, it's achievable. And sometimes
the process starts to open up.
Yes.
To the things that you want.
Yes.
Because now you focus on the things that you
want. There's something psychological about this whole thing. I'm
not a professional in that area, so I can
speak for it.
I can tell you I am in that area.
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Yes. There you go.
So what we focus on grows what we keep
at the forefront of our mind, that conscious or
unconscious, we are attracting those things. Right. That, like,
if. As people, we think in pictures. So if
we are constantly thinking about the things that we
don't want or the things that we don't desire,
we actually attract more of that because that's at
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the forefront of our mind. So it's very important
to focus on what you do want. And also,
there was something else that you said that I
was going to speak to. It's important to have
that list, the list of what you want. Like,
whenever I start working with a client, it is
creating a list of your wants, both personal and
professional. Because I feel like we, a lot of
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us have been conditioned to not have a list
of what we actually want. We're just going along
with what we can get or doing what we've
been told to do, and then miserable in our
lives or professions because it doesn't speak to our
soul. It's not in alignment with who we are.
So when you have that list of your wants,
you know what you're working towards. And as you
are focused on your list of wants, you're actually,
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you're attracting that, you're manifesting that because it's at
the forefront of your mind. So it will start
to. It's like our minds are like magnets, right?
So it'll start to track all the opportunities, the
things that you need to get you to that
place.
And also the funny thing is, like, when you
see, when you have the list of wants, when
things you don't want show up, you recognize it
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so fast. You're like, this is not what I
want. It's not on my list. You know what
I mean? And you're like, nope, I'm not having
that.
Exactly. Exactly. When you know what is a priority
to you, like the book, the. I think it's
essentialism. Like, when you know what's important to you,
what's a priority to you, it's easier to say
no to everything else. And it's easier to see
when certain things are a no and it's out
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of alignment. And also what you spoke to about
when you physically write things down by hand, it
actually sets off a chemical reaction in your brain
when you are writing something by hand, that it
forces you to think deeper, and when you think
deeper, it forces you to feel. And our feelings
are really just labels for the vibration that we're
on. But in those, those feelings, we actually now
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we're inspired to take certain actions from those feelings,
and it's the result of those actions that get
us what we desire. So it's important to write
things down. I've blown my mind many a times
by writing things down and going back later and
looking. And I'm like, like, even my second book
launch I had, I wrote in a book what
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I would love to have happen. And after the
book launch. I had found an old journal that
I had and I went through and I don't
know if you remember Rob Hill senior, but he
used to be really popular back in the day
for his inspirational and, and like love quotes. And
I was like, I wanted him to be a
part of the event. He co hosted my second
book launch with me. Like I said, I wanted
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the colors that everything was written in that journal
in that, that notebook. Written it by hand. And
I found it after the event. Everything was manifested.
It's amazing, isn't it? It's amazing. And congratulations on
all your books, by the way. I'm like, wow,
this is so amazing. Yes, thank you. Yeah. Fun
fact. When I was a kid, I wanted to
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write books and my mom said to me, like,
you don't write books. This is not going to
be your life. So I just thought. But when
I was in high school, I started writing stories.
Like literally whatever I would see happening in my
life, I just come up with my own characters
and just write my own version of that story.
So one day I'm going to. Everybody tells me
I should write a book about my life. You
do.
You need to write a book about your life.
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You need to write a financial book. And I
am here to help you. When you're ready.
Yay. Thank you. I love it. I love it.
See you see, put. What do you want? And
there you go. Things just come up. Yes, there
you go. Trust the process.
There you go. Okay, so before, before we go,
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I would love if you could tell the listeners
where they could see, stay connected with you, where
they can learn more from you and about you.
Sure. So I'm on social media like everybody else.
Well, I almost. I'm on social media. I'm actually
on. On TikTok. I'm on. I'm on Instagram, on
Facebook, LinkedIn. I. So I have my own personal
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accounts like DOA on Chel. That's O N C
E L. So you can search my name, you'll
find me. And also I have the financial course,
Money Made Course. So it's whatever at Money Made
Course either Tik Tok and Instagram, it comes up.
So. And then the website doll.com, which I use
that for, for my course because, hey, I'm the
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one that's teaching you. So I got to put
my name on it and yes, and they can.
You can find anything about me on. On website,
basically under Animal Software me there, reach out dm
like DM me. If you have questions or anything,
I would love to help. I Love helping people.
So reach out.
I will definitely have all your links in the
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details section so they don't have to search too
far.
Thank you. You're welcome.
You're welcome. So we're going to end the show
with a rapid fire and.
Okay. I'm looking forward to this.
You can usually answer one word or one sentence,
but if you feel the need to unpack, you're
more than welcome to do so.
Sure.
All right. What's the most repeated thought you have
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in a day?
I got this. It comes from like sometimes I'm
like, I feel. I feel stuck. And I'm like,
I got this, I got this, I got this.
So, yeah, love it. Okay.
What would the younger version of do? Be proud
of you for so many things.
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Well, okay, this is going to be. I'm going
to make it as short as possible, but when
I was about 9 or 10 years old, I
remember and I've never seen anyone doing this. And
I don't know where this came into my mind
where I wanted to be an entrepreneur. I didn't
know what that was. So I'm have. My dad
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had this file folders all over the house. So
I took one that made it mine and. And
I have like imaginary files in that folder. And
I would put on my best clothes and I'll
put that, you know, my. The file for, you
know. Right. And I'd be walking around the building
because I lived in a building back home. So
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right around the building and I'm walking all like
straight as if I'm going to work to my
office. And then while I go behind the building,
I had my imaginary boardroom with imaginary board table,
imaginary people, you know, my staff. And I had
project. I was talking about projections. I didn't know
what the hell projection was. Projections. And I like,
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I had presentations and we're talking about that, like
business growth. I don't know how that came my
mind. And I feel like that was manifestation preview
to what I would be basically because I'm doing
that so much right now. Right. And that version
of me would be so proud that I like
feeling that those thoughts. I carried those thoughts for
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her. But also she would be very proud of
me for coming above all the challenges. Having been
homeless so many times, having been abused so many
times, having been through like, we're gonna need another
show from this trauma. Like all of this stuff
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that I've come overco. You know, she would just
say thank you. And funny enough, I have had
this revelation in the car where I remind. I
remember Of a couple of things that were happening
to me when I was younger, and I. I
was having a conversation with my younger self and
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saying that, you know, you did the best. I
was. I was talking to her, and she was
talking back to me. It sounds crazy, I know,
but it is. I, like, it was my. It
was part of my healing journey where, you know,
talking to her says, you did the best you
could. Like, if it wasn't for you to have
been so strong to who you were and believe
in you, I wouldn't be where I am today.
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And then her, she would say, you know, to
me, you carry me from there. I'm getting goosebumps.
You carry me from there to where you are
today. You know, like, you did. Like, together, my
younger self and me now, we work together to
be where we are today. You know, that's what
I would. Wow. That's what should be proud of.
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Beautiful. Beautiful. What advice would you give your future
self?
Girl, you've got this. Honestly, you've got this. You
can do anything. Stop being afraid. No. And not
even afraid, but don't hold back. Like, do all
the things because you already. There's proof. You got
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proof that you could do it. So don't hold
back. Love it.
Okay. When and where are you the happiest?
Have to have my coffee in the morning. Literally,
this is the reason why my kids are still
alive. I have coffee in the morning. After I
have my coffee in the morning, I'm a different
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person, and I'm very happy. Like, I don't. It's
a little things that matter. Coffee is good for
me, and I love having time for myself in
the morning. And after I have my time with
myself, you know, so when I'm drinking my coffee,
the reason why I love it so much, not
only that it wakes me up, but also I
write on my journal, I meditate. You know, I
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watch some inspirational stuff on YouTube or I look
at something on social media that is inspirational, and
that's just time for myself. It's 20 minutes, 30
minutes. Like, that's. That's. That's the happiest that I
am. After that, I'm like, yes, I can take
the. I could take on the day, you know?
Yes. Listen, how we. How we start the day
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sets the tone for the rest of our day.
So.
Yeah, it really does.
Okay. Last but not least, what do you wish
women would do more of believing themselves?
Like, believe in themselves. And don't give your power
to other people, Whether not just men, but women,
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too. Just hold your Power because you have it.
I know many times when I feel like I've
given up my power and waiting on people to
make decisions for me. Never again. And also I
see women still wait for approval from people to
say whether they should or shouldn't be doing something.
It's not. I don't care if it's your husband.
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I don't care if it's your kids. I don't
care if it's whatever. You are your own person.
You don't need approval. You just, just believe in
you. You got, you got this. I got this.
You got this. Okay. Yes.
I love it. I love it, honestly. Thank you
so much, Jorna. Thank you for sharing your story
with us. I truly, truly, truly appreciate you.
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Thanks for having me. I really appreciate and I
love your show. I listened to it many years
and I'm just thinking, like, wow, I think, I
think I'm probably not as cool to be in
the show, but here I am. So thank you.
I appreciate it. No, I really love, I love
what you share in the show. You know, like,
I feel it's so informative and so transformational for
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women to feel like you share your story and
then feel like women can go through stuff. So
it's so powerful. So I actually appreciate that.
Thank you. Thank you so, so much.
You're welcome.
And to all our healers out there, thank you
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understands the importance of financial literacy and strives to
help others break free from economic limitations, step into
financial independence and design a future they truly own.
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So please welcome to the show Doina.
Thanks for having me.
Thank you so much for agreeing to come on
and share your story and your expertise with us.
I do my best. I'll do my best to
be my best just for you.
McKinney, I appreciate you. You know, we've been connected
(05:06):
on social media for many years. We have mutual
friends and it's just been this year where I've
gotten a chance really connect with you and I'm
like, why have we not connected sooner? Right. So
I, I love that our listeners get a chance
to get to know you as well.
Thank you. I appreciate that. Actually, it is true
we have known each other for many years and
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we do have mutual friends and we have met
in person a couple of times, but we never
really got a chance to really sit and talk.
Yeah.
And then lately, you know, social media is a
great connect. It's very toxic sometimes, but also great
connected if you know how to use it really
well. And I personally have been very intentional about
the use of social media, who I connect with.
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And because I really love your post, you know,
I try to engage as much as possible. So
I think that's why I've been top of mind.
And here we are.
Here we are. I appreciate that and I totally
agree with you. I feel like social media can
be very toxic, but also it's been a place
where I've built deeper connections with amazing people that
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I probably wouldn't have the opportunity to connect with
had I not been on social media. So I
agree with it. You know, when you're intentional with
it and you're intentional about building connections that align,
it can be an amazing space.
Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely.
Just like everything in life, right?
Yeah. So, okay, so let's start at the beginning.
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I'd Love, if you could share with the listeners
a bit about your background and I guess, the
pivotal moments that you feel shaped who you are
today.
God, I have so many pivotal moments. Which one
do I start with? Do we have only. Okay,
so actually, the most important one for me, and
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that goes back about 15 years ago, is when
I. You probably already know this. And the listeners
that know me probably already know this. I have
experienced domestic violence, and I ended up in women's
shelter. And at that time, I was also homeless
because I couldn't. They literally kicked me out of
the place where I was at. They said, you
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can't afford rent, get out with two kids, and
I was $60,000 in debt. And while I'm in
the shelter, I'm having dinner with my kids, and
I'm just thinking about, I don't know what. What
am I going to do with my life? And
then my daughter, my oldest daughter, she was about
7 years old then, and she. She was having
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the time of her life because for her, she
had a whole bunch of kids that she could
play with. She didn't have to be stuck at
my schedule, and she could have a lot of
fun. And then when we're having dinner, she said,
mom, when I grow up, I want to be
just like you. And I was just like, you
know, this. This thing, when you go, you hit
a wall that you really need to hit. You
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know, that's how I felt. And I said, I
need to change my life because whatever I do
with my life, my kids get to do the
same, and I can be pointing fingers at them
if I don't do, you know, much better with
my life, you know, I don't make better choices.
So that was the pivotal moment for me because
I felt that my choices is not just affecting
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me, but it's affecting my children. So, you know,
and that was. That was huge for me to
know that I can do something. And honestly, when
the times were really tough, through that process, trying
to come up for air when times are really
tough, the thing that I remember the most and
that kept me going, what. I'm doing this for
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them. I'm doing this for my kids. It's not
just for me. So I have to work twice
as hard, you know, to make sure that it's
not. I'm not going to let them down. And
I felt like that was. That was. That was
huge for me. That was. And it was. It
was the fuel that I needed, really. And it
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came at the right time, you know, at the
right time when she Said that because I really
was lost.
You know, they say nothing happens before it's time.
I like so one, I'm sorry that you even
had to experience what you went through. But I
also feel like our adversities, you know, they shape
us, right?
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Yes.
You know, I feel like soft times make soft
people. And I feel like if we had not
experienced the adversities that we had and if we
had not chosen to push through and persevere and
to move forward and to set a better example
for our children, then we wouldn't be where we
are today.
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Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Yeah. With diamonds, you know, diamonds go through so
much. You know what I mean? You go through
so much before you become a diamond. So the
same with us. Right? And I believe, I strongly
believe that for us, we always put in a
place where we're supposed to be. We're always supposed
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to be there. And the thing that I found
that worked for me, that got me out of
those situation, ask myself, what am I supposed to
learn from this? And once I learn my lesson,
I move on to the next struggle.
Yes.
You know, it's like the next thing comes up.
Because the thing is, the reality is struggles don't
ever end. And I now embrace it. I feel
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like, okay, so I'm learning a lot more about
myself and I get to. Because when I look
back and all the struggles that I've overcome, it
makes me feel like I've done that already. I've
already been there. Like, you know, of course it's
tiring, but at the same time, I feel like
I've already been through, like, literally, for me, I
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felt like I was the lowest of the low
when like I'm in debt with two kids, one
is not even one year old. Like, you know
what I mean? Seven months year old plus a
seven year old and no money. It's like $60,000
debt. I have no place. I depend on food
bank the longest time. And can you go any
lower than that? I don't really think so. You
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know what I mean? So I feel like if
I've been there and I overcome that, anything that
comes at me right now, I could do it,
you know? Yeah. It's just a matter of reframing
my thinking that, you know, things are possible for
me to change my life and you just what
is it that I want? Like, what is it
that I decide and go with that and that
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I feel like that's the best.
I feel like the perspective that you have is
what is transformative. I think, you know, sometimes people
will go through a thing and they choose to
become a victim or they feel like they don't
have any choices. Right? Right. But sometimes us choosing
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to stay in the same position is a choice.
We feel like we didn't make that intentionally. But
you looked at the experiences that you've gone through
and choosing to be reflective and say, what can
I learn from this? Right. Because a lot of
us are going through life and we're repeating the
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same mistakes, so we're not learning the lesson, so
we're getting the same adversities and then saying, why
me? Right.
Yes.
You choosing to do better, you choosing to learn
from that and allowing that to shift your paradigm,
your. Your mindset, your way of thinking on not
only how can you learn from this and do
better for yourself, for your children, but also the
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community because of what you've experienced.
Absolutely. I've actually been to a personal development seminar
because my thing was I need to work on
myself personally. The only way to change my surroundings
is to changing me. And if I don't change
me, I can't change my surroundings and I can't
change another person. I can't decide for another person.
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It is only me that I can change. So
to the personal development seminars that I took, and
the one thing I realized was that we make
choices in life. Well, I realized a lot of
things from that personal seminar, but a couple of
things, especially this one, is we make choices based
on consequences and rewards. And sometimes being a victim,
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some people take it as a reward for them
because they feel they don't have to do anything.
They're waiting on other people to do stuff. But
that's also consequence because now you have to wait
on people to do stuff for you. So that's
why when you take matters on your own hand,
when you decide like, I'm going to make choices
based on what I think is good for me,
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not waiting on other people to make decisions for
me, and being a victim, it's actually going to
put me in a position where I don't always
want to be. It's. It's when. When I. That
came onto my mind, you know, I was like,
okay, I need to. I'm not victim anymore. Yes,
things have happened without my consent or without me
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having to be to making that decision at the
same time is what I do from here. It's
my choice. So that was. For me, that was
powerful. Huge.
Yeah, absolutely. And I can totally relate. I'm thinking
of how similar our stories are. It's like, yes,
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I left an abusive relationship I was a single
mom of three. I probably had the same amount
of debt at the time. All the things. And
I know at first I was definitely living in
the victim mindset and I was allowing it to
consume me and physically being diagnosed with fibromyalgia, where
my body was shutting down, the anxiety, the depression,
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all the things. But I was living in victim
mode. I. I was like, okay, well I don't,
I don't know what to do. This is like,
I guess this is life. But it was shifting
my perspective, my mindset and focusing on, okay, this
is not the life that I want for my
children.
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Right.
What legacy do I want to leave? How will
my healing impact them? How will you know, like,
just choosing different has put us in the position
that we're in today.
Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I have like, yes,
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yes, absolutely. Mic drop. Yes.
Okay, so. So let's, let's go back a little
bit. So tell us what inspired you to create
Hervolution and what was your vision when you created
it?
So with Revolution, I listen, I came to Canada,
I was 19. I didn't have one person that
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I could rely on for any form of advice
or anything. I know that if I would have
had better people around me, I would have probably
been an engineer. So. And I didn't have like,
I didn't have the education background. I just finished
high school from back home in Romania. I came
to Canada for a better life. And then I'm
like, okay, this is not that much better. You
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know, I'm here by myself. I don't have community,
I don't have people. I live with my dad,
who was also abusive. And you know, my, my
homeless situation 15 years ago was not the first
time. My homeless situation was 10 months after I
came to Canada. Like I was literally throwing in
the street and didn't speak a word of English.
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I didn't have, you know, resources. I didn't have
people around me. And so I didn't know where
to go, what to do. So now I knew
I wanted to do something with my life. And
when I was growing up, when I was a
kid, I knew I wanted to be a teacher
or a lawyer because I have seen how women
were treated like second class citizen back home.
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I wanted to do something for women when as
a teacher, I love kids minds and how they're
just so curious about everything. And then when you
see, I felt even, especially with my kids, like
seeing the world for the first time through their
eyes is like the most amazing thing that you
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can ever Experience really now I also needed to
make money. So with revolution especially, you know, I
was on welfare. Like I mentioned, I was homeless
15 years ago.
Being shelter and not having money, I was on
welfare. I wanted to do something. I want to
go to school to. I knew at that point
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I wanted to study social work because I thought
like that would be the best for me. Having
done a whole bunch of tests, you know, the
desk assessments and all that kind of stuff, everything
just came back like I have to be doing
something where I can help people. And I feel
like social work is probably the best thing for
me because I love doing this type of work
where I could help you people. Especially if I
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have been through something and I came out of
it and I can help them like make their
life easier.
I feel the world would be so much better.
So that's just my thought process now. While I
worked in, I went to school, I went to
college, I did two years of the AWCCA program,
which is the social work with the feminist perspective.
And then I worked in the social work for
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a couple of years and I didn't like it
because I thought everything was about numbers. Like, let's
check this box. And then we good on paper
we look like we're doing great job on in
the real world, there's no nothing that is done
that is sustainable in terms of impact. And I
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was like, well, I don't want to do this.
The reason why I came into this field is
because I wanted to change something.
And then I came out of it. I started
doing digital marketing because I'm very curious about how
things work. I'm telling you, I could have been
an engineer. If I would have had someone to
kind of guide me, I would have been an
engineer. I would have been building things because I
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love taking things apart to put it back together
and bring me so much joy.
So then I work in digital marketing for a
bit. I started creating my own content, my own
curriculum to help people understand how to use social
media for the professional development. And it was all
just me trying to create it on my own.
Like I didn't have any of this training, formal
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training, first of all, at that time did not
even exist. Now I go and I look at
university, they have, you can go to University of
Toronto, you can learn digital marketing. I used to
create that curriculum for people that would pay me
to teach them this stuff. So I was like,
how amazing this world is.
But now while I'm there, I saw how those
women. So I would have clients that wanted me
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to not only teach them about social media, but
also build websites for them. I'm like, why me?
Because I don't even know how to do this.
What is this website building? Like, this is foreign
to me. And then of course I'm like, sure,
if you pay me money, I'll do it. I'm
an entrepreneur at heart, really. So I'm like, okay.
I said, there's some money to be made here.
I went and I, I would sign up for
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workshops. I didn't have much money. So my thing
is, if I'm paying $40, $40 for me was
like a one week budget for groceries, okay? So
if I pay one week of groceries worth of
this workshop, I better walk away with enough education
so I can pay the bills for the month.
So of course when I go there, my hand
is always up asking all kind of questions. What,
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what does it actually mean? Like, I'm not walking
away with another instance, understanding what things are.
So now I'm being in this rooms women. Well,
first of all, there's only like maybe out of
30, 40 people, literally about 10% women. There are
women there, or maybe less than 10%, let's say
out of 30, 40 people. I'm not good at
math, but I work with money and I work
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with things, but I'm not good at math. So.
But so out of 30, 40 people, three or
four of them were women, myself included. And those
women come to me because like, how do I
have my hand up all the time and asking
questions? My man is like, I pay money for
this.
I need to walk out information. So now, when
I started communicating with them, and that's where I
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learned that in the world of stem, which I
didn't know what that was, there's not enough women
in this field. And then I learned about discrimination.
That's happening. Some of them have said, and funny
enough, like different events, different women. The stories were
so similar in terms of when I go to
work, when there's some sort of training, I'm supposed
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to know everything already.
Because if I put my hand up, clarify. One
woman said, I got anxiety when I saw how
many times you get your hand out. So I'm
like, would anybody come and say something to you
Discriminatory? And so I thought, I did some research
and I found that there's not enough women in
STEM. That was 15 years ago. And especially in
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Canada, I couldn't really find statistics of any kind,
really. And even in the United States, where I
found resources, if you look at women in leadership,
black women, Latina women, immigrant women. The numbers were
almost non existent.
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You know, you became that somebody.
Until my mentor's like, you're that somebody. I'm like,
what? So I create a revolution based on that.
Wow, that's beautiful. Yeah, I always, I'm always in
awe of people like yourself, where you're like, okay,
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there's a need here. Let me provide a solution.
Because so often there is a need for something
or someone's like, well, someone should create, but there's
no thought of being like, oh, I'm going to
be that someone.
Right, right, right. So I, because again, we're like,
we're getting, putting ourselves in those environments and then
we think like, this is such a great idea.
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But sometimes we don't see ourselves as that person
that could do it until somebody would point it
out and like, actually you are that person. And
you look in the mirror like, actually, I am
that person.
Yes, you're that girl.
I'm that person.
So you, you shared with us you've had significant
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financial struggles at different points in your life today.
What does financial freedom mean to you beyond just
the income and the wealth?
To be able to create a schedule that you
are happy with, that brings you joy when your
time does not depend on somebody else's clocking in
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and clocking out, like, that's. I don't think I
could ever work for somebody right now, you know,
and you know, it just brings joy. And another
thing is like, to be able to provide for
my kids something that they need and they want.
It's not just about. Because I don't spoil my
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kids. At least I don't think so. But some
people might say otherwise. But, but I mean, to
know that especially this is my thought process. I
came to Canada for a better life. I knew
that maybe, maybe it might not really happen for
me, but I knew that I was that person
that would break a whole bunch of cycles. Yeah,
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right. I was that person to break some of
those cycles, including, you know, violence, you know, poverty,
even parenting or, you know, all of these things,
like even mindset, you know, trying to break some
of those cycles. So because to me it was,
that was very important. And I knew that if
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it's not really if I'm going to be that
person to push through, some things may not happen
for me. However, the choices that I make, the
things that I do, my kids will benefit and
their kids, it Means, like, now I'm leaving that
legacy because one of the things I always wanted,
I said, I want to live forever. And some
people were saying, like, that's not possible. I said,
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actually it is, because by the choices that you
make right now, your legacy and that effect from
your choices, I will live forever. And not only.
Sometimes you can. You might only change one person's
life, but that person is going to talk about
you to their kids, and then their kids will
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know, and their kids will know, and then your
children, the same thing. For me, I feel like
for my kids, I can. They can feel that
I did something for them. And I also wanted
to be that person that I didn't have as
a child. Like, I didn't have someone to protect
me as a child. You know, I didn't have
somebody to stand up for me as a kid.
I didn't have somebody to say, you want to
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go to school and you want to be an
artist? Let's do it. You know, explore that. Let's
see what happens. I never had that, so I
wanted to be that for my kids. So I
feel like when it comes to financial freedom, it
allows you to do certain things that, you know,
some people before you were not able to do.
Really. For me, it comes down to that. And
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I know now that, you know, even with money,
like, trauma comes with money, trauma as well. So
when we have in our family people that have
gone to trauma, poverty, and they bring that to
you, and then you think, like, I'm always going
to be poor. Money is only for those people.
Like, money is only, you know, wealth is only
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for those. Is those people. And they must be
bad. And this is why this is happening, because
they're cheating and they do. Like, you can't really
have money doing something good. And so I wanted
to change that too. You know what I mean?
For me, I wanted to change for my kids
to put in their mind that, you know, having
money is not a bad thing. Having money, you
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can make the choices that you want. You can
live the best life, and you also inspire others
to do the same. And the more money you
have, the more good you can do in the
world. You can change that. You know what I
mean? You can change the bad thoughts about people
having money. All the bad. You can change that
narrative. So you.
You shifted the, I guess the. The. The money
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mindset from survival mode to, like, financial success by
thinking about. Yeah, you know, because I. I know
people that I've grown up with that are in
social work, and they believe that Money is. Is
evil. And rich people are all evil. But I've
been some of the most generous, wealthy people on
the planet, and even they understand that the more
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money you have because it's a tool, the more
it allows you to help and to serve.
Absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, the first thing they
teach you in social work school, it's like, you
don't do this work for money. You're out there
to sacrifice and give all you got for nothing.
And then you come in and you're, like, overworked,
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overwhelmed, underpaid, longer coming to, you know, chicken. Like,
you need to pay the rent. And you feel
like, what am I doing? So there's all these
mixed messages, which I wish I could change because
it's okay to do good. But first and foremost,
you have to take care of yourself. If you
don't take care of yourself mentally, physically, financially, you
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can't take care of other people like Oprah says
you have when your cup run it over, that's
when you can give to other people. And the
same goes with money. The same goes with your
time, your mind, your resources. You have to make
sure that you are replenished first.
Yes. Right?
Yes.
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I love it, and I 1000% agree with you.
I grew up in environments where everyone was pouring
from empty cups. You know, people who lived in
poverty, government housing, were probably also on welfare. But
everyone is giving what they don't have, and then
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they're exhausted, mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually. And now that
I've evolved from those environments and pouring from my
overflow, the people that were part of my past
are judging, saying, well, you have all of this.
You know, you're selfish. You're not. Like. It's like,
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I have worked so hard on myself, on my
business, on my family, on my healing to get
here, and other people want to dictate what I
do with my resources.
We're going back to choices. So you made your
choices to be who you want to be, to
become that person. They made the choices to stay
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where they are. But, you know, there's a saying,
misery loves company. So they want to bring you
back, because if they. If. If they want to
be where you are, it means that they have
to do the work, and they don't really want
to.
Like, it's a lot. It's so hard, and I
don't blame them. I'm not here to judge anybody,
but I'm here to also say, take responsibility for
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your actions, because, you know, you have done. I
have had the same thing happen to me When
I made the decision, my thing was like this.
I remember. So when I came from the shelter,
I moved home, my own place with my kids.
My way of healing, for lack of a better
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word, like I wear a healing, was to go
out and party.
So how my party friends would go to orpest
Road by $2 shirts, $3 skirt and I'm like,
I'm out to a boat party. You see me
three or four times a week, I'll be at
a boat party. So I'll be like dancing and
you know, one day. So I had, I already
paid for the ticket. And you know, mind you,
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I was low income. So like to pay $30
to go to a boat party was a lot
of money.
But you know, to be honest, you, I didn't
care. Again, it means like you can make choices
and somehow things start to manifest. Why don't we
make good choices, the things we want and let's
manifest that. But you know, now I'm, I pay
for the ticket, my friend is waiting for me
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and before I left I looked in the fridge
and we didn't have milk. My kids were about,
I think, I don't know, almost 10 years old
and, and three years old at that point. So
we didn't have milk and I looked at my
bank account, I only had $10 in my account.
So. But I have to say again, this is
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an example how things don't happen to us, they
happen for us.
So I'm just saying look at the fridge, I'm
like, I have no milk. My kids gonna want
milk because when they wake up in the morning
they want the cereal and they want the milk
and I can't be taking that away from them.
So. And then I'm going to the, to the
boat party and I can't swim. So I'm like,
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if I'm already stuck there, I want to come
home.
I can't jump in and just go home. I'm
stuck in that boat party. But at the same
time, it really was the best thing that ever
happened to me because I am sitting and I'm,
I'm about to go to the bar and I'm
thinking if I'm going to spend $10 on a
drink, means I can buy milk for my kids.
What choice do I want to make right now?
Do I want to have buy a drink, have
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a really good time and I'll deal with the
rest tomorrow, whatever comes, or do I want to
save that money and just buy my, buy milk
for my kids? And I thought I've Already came
to a party, so I've already given something to
myself. But also I'm thinking I need. And I
went back to thinking, while my daughter said, when
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I grew up, I want to be just like
you.
Is this what I want for her? Is this
how I want her to see me? That I'm
someone that I cannot provide? So I. I sat
on a chair. People come and ask me to
dance, or even men were offering me drinks. I
said, nope, this is my reflection time. While they're
playing SOCA in the background, I was sitting in
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the corner thinking, like, what am I going to
do with my life? And I thought to myself,
you know what? I love going out, having a
good time.
I love spending time with my friends, my friends,
any of my friends. But at the same time,
I love providing for my kids. I love seeing
my kids happy, too. And so you know what?
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I'm not going to say I'm going to take
away this going out ever. I'm saying I'm going
to go out, but in my terms. So I
need to change this. What does that look like
for me? And, you know, as soon as I
got home, like, I got out of that boat
and I went straight to my car and I
went straight, straight home and I went straight to
my computer and I wrote a business plan.
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Wow.
I said, I'm going to open up a business
and just because I need to make money. And
then what happened is when I stopped going out,
because I immediately stopped, I said, when I'm going
to out the game, yes, I'm going to go
with enough money when I can afford both milk
and a good time, you know, so. So my
friends were like saying, like, well, now you think
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you're better. You don't want to go out anymore.
And I said, I don't think I'm better than
you. I just think I'm going in this direction.
If you want to come with me, great, let's
go together. If not, I'm not going back to
that. You know, I'm not going back to that.
So I just let those people go. You know,
I just thought that was the best decision for
me. Selfish. Some people might think so, but I
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think the most unselfish thing is to do those
selfish or to have those selfish choices so that,
that way I can be everything, whatever I need
for people that need me versus you know what
I mean?
Yeah. There's so much that you said there that
I. I want to unpack. And I'm like, do
I start at the front or the End. So,
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okay, let's start with a couple of things. When
you first started talking and you're like, what was
healing for you was to go to these parties
and go dancing. So I think sometimes we do
things unconsciously and don't realize how they are actually
helping. Like if we don't realize the psychology behind
it. I think it was probably the book what
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Happened to you with Dr. Bruce Perry and Oprah,
but they were talking about, I think it's like
in the African communities and in the indigenous communities,
how dance is a form of healing.
Right.
So our. Our movement, how that is, you know,
it's releasing negative energies and putting us on a
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certain. All those things. Right. So the dancing is
healing, right?
Yeah.
So there's definitely nothing wrong with that there. And
then you choosing saying to yourself, well, that's what
brings you joy. No matter what we're going through,
if we don't find the joy in those moments,
then it's hard for us to push through. So
you finding your joy in going to those boat
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parties probably helped you get through those hard times,
because instead of isolated at home, along with your
kids being depressed, all those things that helped to
bring you joy. But then also when you were
going to those parties and you realize, okay, there's
no milk in the fridge at home. I'm going
to this party because it's what brings me joy.
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But. But let me reflect now and think about
my movements going forward, where you were able to
reflect and take a look at what's a priority
for you. And you think about the legacy that
you want to leave, where it's like, okay, yes,
you can still have your moments of joy. You
can still do these things. But priority, in order
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for you to be the mother that you desire
to be and to leave the legacy you desire
to leave your priority, you came home, you were
motivated, you were given drive, and you came home
from that party and you made your business plan.
Yeah. Yes. You know, I come from Romania. For
us, dance, it's also a form of healing, a
form of joy and a form of community. Like,
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you have people in the countryside and they go,
and like, the building is about. We think it's
about to fall down. And the people from North
America, they're probably like, I am not going inside
because it looks like there's about drop on me.
But Romanians don't care. They're like shaking on the
ground and they dance. Like, for us, dance is
such a release of any bring. It does bring
joy, like endorphins. And you laugh with people and,
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you know, you're having good times, so. Yes, I.
I agree. But I just want to mention that
we have that too, back home.
I love it.
I love it.
I. I wanted to speak to your money made
the online course that you have.
Yes.
What inspired you to create that course for financial
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literacy?
So ever since 15 years ago, financial literacy has
been my. My mission to learn from myself. So
when I had, the only people calling me was
bill collectors. I'm like, I need to have. I
need to make them my friends. But, well, I
have been in that place where it was dark.
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It felt like it was again, I don't know
how I'm gonna get out, really. And again, it's
just education and learning about how money works is
what helped me get out of there. I started
while I was, you know, welfare. I started investing
$20 a month for each of my kids. So
20 and 20, $40 a month was for the
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education because I thought, what do I want for
my kids? I want them to have education. I'm
on welfare. I don't have a lot of money.
But if I move some things around, I'll figure
it out. Because again, it's like making the choice
of what's important to you. Things start to unfold,
what. Whatever. You know what I mean? Like, you
get that that's something to show up. It's time
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to show up. Right. So I started investing in
their education. And then any workshop, any seminar, anything
to do with how money works in all areas.
Real estate investing, stock market, insurance, like, anything that
I could put my hands on. Anybody would say,
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like, I'm there. I would travel two hours. I
didn't care. Like, I just got to learn. And
I felt like that education got me to the
point where I don't have to worry about money.
So what was it? It's my daughter's. Yes. Fifteen
years ago, I was homeless. And then through all
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that education, 10 years later, almost 10 years later,
I bought my. My first property.
Congrats.
So thank you. So it feels like it's doable.
Yes.
You know, and I feel like I have been
through that. And now I want to teach people
that if you are in that situation, there's hope.
I'm. I'm proof that you can come out. I'm
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proof that financial literacy, it's. It's. Is the way
out, really. And I created the money made course
not just for grown people, but for kids as
well, especially for family, because I feel like doing
it as a family. And that's what I done.
With my kids, like doing it as a family
where you sit down and you have open conversations
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about money. And we all know sometimes the money
trauma, it's not sometimes, always money trauma is a
real thing. And sometimes we hide things as parents,
we hide things from kids, we want to shelter
them and then they go out in the real
world, they have no idea how to what money,
life, anything, right? So. Or you can just put
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into the bad negative thoughts into like, we don't
have money, money is bad. And then they go
all day and they spread struggle. So either way
they kind of struggle. So I want to be
that person to help people work as a family
and to learn about how money works and make
decisions for themselves and whatever works. Because I also
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know that when you go to a bank, again,
speaking from experience, when I go to the bank,
I couldn't open an account or I didn't want
to give me any sort of help because I
didn't have $5,000 in the bank or, you know,
so I'm like, so how am I going to
make that $5,000 if you don't teach? You know
what I mean? So I want to teach people
to have that and I want to teach them
about what products and what is out there. So
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that when you go to the bank or you
talk to a financial advisor, you understand where you
are, right? Because I'm thinking of it this way.
Let's say you want to buy a car. You're
a family of four people and you want to
buy a car. If you don't understand what you
actually need from that car, you end up into
a dealership. And next, you know, they sell you
a, a two seater convertible. So you're like, yeah,
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you know, and you walk home and you realize
that's not exactly what I needed. It looks nice.
It's like, oh my God, like everybody's looking around,
look so cool. But it's not what I actually
need. So I want to be that person to
teach people about the money and, and work as
a family towards like, you know, help them break
those generational poverty and then build generational wealth. And
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it only starts that if we teach our kids
early and then if we, we as a family,
we, you know, we work through that together versus
separate. Right?
Yeah. I love that. I love that. How would
you define success now compared to when you first
started?
Honestly, I think success is a journey. I think
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I feel the day I die. Well, the day
right before I die, I want to look at
my life and say, I've done everything I wanted
to do. And I've learned everything there was to
learn before I check out. Right. And I think
success for me at this point is looking back
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and feeling like I made the choices for me.
And whatever choice it was, whether some people think
is bad or good, it doesn't really matter. I
made what choices I wanted to make and I
basically went to the finish line with that choice,
with that decision that I made. And I don't
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believe in failure. I think we succeed in every
choice that we make because if we don't get
that success that we thought was success, we get
some other form of success which comes through learning,
which comes. We get to learn about ourselves, we
get to learn about life, we get to learn
about so many things and sometimes we actually get
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more from that because we learn even things that
we didn't think about that is possible or that
we could actually learn or that we, you know,
that's it. You don't know what you don't know,
Right? So the same, that's how I feel. I
don't, I don't believe in failure. I don't think
we fail ever. I think we just learn how
to do things in a different way. I agree.
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I agree. Well, what is one essential financial habit
that every young person or even adult should develop
early on?
Build a relationship with money. Don't be scared to
look at your money. Don't be scared to know
how much money you have, how much money you
need. You know, just really honestly build a relationship
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with money. Build the healthy relationship, meaning I accept
the money, but if I don't have the money,
don't be scared to not look at your bank
account or say, oh, I don't have it and
therefore I'm not going to achieve something. No, look,
I say I don't have it, but in order
for me to get that I need this much,
what do I need to do together? You know
what I mean? Or if you have the money
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says, what am I going to do with this
money? To bring me joy or to bring me
the things that I want from life versus just,
you know, because sometimes, you know, they say that
people that win the lottery in like two years,
they just below, below be pre lottery winnings, right?
And all because they don't have that relationship with
money and they just want to get rid of
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them so fast. They don't understand the things that
they can do with the money. And so that's
why I build a relationship with money from really
young. You know, I teach my kids, like, if
you want Something with my daughter. So you want,
you want. She has like 400 beats. She's 15,
16, actually. Sorry, she's just 16. She's 16. She
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just, since she was 12, she's buying like really
expensive stuff now with my money. With her money?
Yeah, just give an allowance. She's like, she knows
what she wants. She's saving her money. So if
I want to get that now, I need like
50 more. Okay, wait a minute. My birthday is
coming. My, you know, this, like, can I do
some extra chores? Can I do something for this?
You know, how can I make, you know what
I mean? She, when I give her money, say,
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oh, I'm not gonna buy, I'm not gonna buy
this junk food. I'm just gonna save it because
that's what's important to me. So I have, you
know, with my oldest daughter, she's like, you know,
she started learning about money when she started getting
her first job. Because before she's mom provides everything.
And now she, like I said, now you're responsible
to pay for your own, you know, buy your
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own food if you want, buy your own clothes,
buy your own whatever. And then now she goes
like, wait a minute, this is kind of expensive.
So now she's like, looking at things. Do I
really want this? You know what I mean? Like,
do I really want this?
Yeah.
So it's building that relationship with money to understand
that money, it's a tool and it can give
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you the things that you want if you have
that relationship with money. And it will, you know
what I mean? You will get it or you
know exactly where to spend it to help you
build joy, not other people. Don't please other people
with your money. You know what I mean? And
it's funny because I am in the charity world,
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so usually people donate and I, I, I believe
in donation too. Like, I think people should give,
but don't give before you have it for yourself.
Right. It's okay to give. It's okay to. Because
again, the more money we have, the more money
we give. Absolutely. If you feel that there's a
cause out there that is important to you, that's
another reason for you to make more money. Because
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you want to build justice. You want to create
justice in the world. So. But don't do it
just because other people do it. Do it for
you.
Yes.
You know, Absolutely.
I agree. I agree. I. With, with all that
you've been through and with all that you do,
what role does self care play in your financial
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and personal success there?
I used to Think that self care is like
bubble bats and getting my manicure and pedicure and
all that kind of stuff. And it's nice. I'm
like, it's nice. I love it. Yes, it's nice.
But now I think of self care differently. I
feel like I love myself enough where I create
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a. A plan for my life that I ensure
that every single day I have some form of
joy or I'm not gonna. For example, the one
thing I'm working on is, like, not overworking myself
to the point that I'm, like, exhausted. I spend,
like, a little bit of time for myself. Not
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doing things that are. I don't like or I
don't. Doesn't bring me joy. You know what I
mean? Make sure that I have a schedule. I
follow it, because I think, you know, at the
end of the day, I think I'm like, what
is it I want? What do I want from
today? What do I want from this week? What
do I want from this year? You know? And
are my choices and my decisions going towards that
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or the things I don't want? And for me,
I feel like that's the best health care I
can give myself because it's like pouring into myself.
Right. Make sure my cup run it over. Yeah,
that's how I think of self care. It's still
a work in progress, but I'm so much better
than how I was even five years ago.
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I love it. I love it. What's a piece
of advice that you would give to a woman
that's listening right now about trusting the journey and
embracing where she's at right now?
I know it's very hard for some people to
trust the journey. I know it's very hard to
seek, especially people that have gone through so much
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trauma. Like, how do I trust? Because trust comes
into place. But first and foremost, I think start
with trusting yourself. Because once you start, trust yourself
that you got out of a situation or you
got out of a place where it was, you
know, you. It was you that did it. You
made that choice to come out of that. And
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even if you are in a situation where you
think, oh, my God, it's not happening, trust that
other people have done it and are successful, come
out of it, like myself, like you. You know,
we were in abusive relationship. We came out of
it, and we are okay, so trust that you
know it will come into place. And just really
(50:09):
honestly, I feel like we think so much about
the things that we don't want, and we keep
on attracting that. So let's Make a list of
the things that we want. What do you want
from life? Because I know something that came up
for me. I've. I've taken therapy. I know you
talk a lot about therapy in your show, and
I love it. I love. I love therapy. But
(50:30):
I think therapy can mean so different. Like, there's
so many different ways to get right, so. But.
And I. Once in a while, I like to
talk to somebody, but once in a while, I
do stuff on my own. I journal and my
incense. I wear my crystals. I talk to my
friends. I do my things, you know, but when
I had my. My therapist, and I feel like,
(50:53):
you know, I go therapy. I get what I
need, I take a break, apply it, and then
move on. You know what I mean? I come
back for what I need. So. But my therapist
at that time, she said, what do you want?
Because I went to her about certain things like
this. All this is happening to me, and I'm
like, my life is whatever. So. And then she's
(51:15):
like, what do you want? I'm like, I don't
know what I want, but I have a long
list of things I don't want. Yeah, right. I
said, well, this is why you keep on getting
this now. You need to make a list of
what you want. I'm like. And like, what do
you mean? Well, anything. When it comes to love,
when it comes to life, when it comes to
parenting, when it comes to friendships, you just have
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to have a list of at least 20 things
that you want from each category. And every day,
you read that out loud. And as you start
reading it, something, there's something. Especially when you write
it with your own hand. No typing. Write it
with your own hand, and then you reflect on
it. And you look at that list every day,
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you realize that it's possible, it's achievable. And sometimes
the process starts to open up.
Yes.
To the things that you want.
Yes.
Because now you focus on the things that you
want. There's something psychological about this whole thing. I'm
not a professional in that area, so I can
speak for it.
I can tell you I am in that area.
(52:17):
Yes. There you go.
So what we focus on grows what we keep
at the forefront of our mind, that conscious or
unconscious, we are attracting those things. Right. That, like,
if. As people, we think in pictures. So if
we are constantly thinking about the things that we
don't want or the things that we don't desire,
we actually attract more of that because that's at
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the forefront of our mind. So it's very important
to focus on what you do want. And also,
there was something else that you said that I
was going to speak to. It's important to have
that list, the list of what you want. Like,
whenever I start working with a client, it is
creating a list of your wants, both personal and
professional. Because I feel like we, a lot of
(53:00):
us have been conditioned to not have a list
of what we actually want. We're just going along
with what we can get or doing what we've
been told to do, and then miserable in our
lives or professions because it doesn't speak to our
soul. It's not in alignment with who we are.
So when you have that list of your wants,
you know what you're working towards. And as you
are focused on your list of wants, you're actually,
(53:23):
you're attracting that, you're manifesting that because it's at
the forefront of your mind. So it will start
to. It's like our minds are like magnets, right?
So it'll start to track all the opportunities, the
things that you need to get you to that
place.
And also the funny thing is, like, when you
see, when you have the list of wants, when
things you don't want show up, you recognize it
(53:44):
so fast. You're like, this is not what I
want. It's not on my list. You know what
I mean? And you're like, nope, I'm not having
that.
Exactly. Exactly. When you know what is a priority
to you, like the book, the. I think it's
essentialism. Like, when you know what's important to you,
what's a priority to you, it's easier to say
no to everything else. And it's easier to see
when certain things are a no and it's out
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of alignment. And also what you spoke to about
when you physically write things down by hand, it
actually sets off a chemical reaction in your brain
when you are writing something by hand, that it
forces you to think deeper, and when you think
deeper, it forces you to feel. And our feelings
are really just labels for the vibration that we're
on. But in those, those feelings, we actually now
(54:30):
we're inspired to take certain actions from those feelings,
and it's the result of those actions that get
us what we desire. So it's important to write
things down. I've blown my mind many a times
by writing things down and going back later and
looking. And I'm like, like, even my second book
launch I had, I wrote in a book what
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I would love to have happen. And after the
book launch. I had found an old journal that
I had and I went through and I don't
know if you remember Rob Hill senior, but he
used to be really popular back in the day
for his inspirational and, and like love quotes. And
I was like, I wanted him to be a
part of the event. He co hosted my second
book launch with me. Like I said, I wanted
(55:12):
the colors that everything was written in that journal
in that, that notebook. Written it by hand. And
I found it after the event. Everything was manifested.
It's amazing, isn't it? It's amazing. And congratulations on
all your books, by the way. I'm like, wow,
this is so amazing. Yes, thank you. Yeah. Fun
fact. When I was a kid, I wanted to
(55:32):
write books and my mom said to me, like,
you don't write books. This is not going to
be your life. So I just thought. But when
I was in high school, I started writing stories.
Like literally whatever I would see happening in my
life, I just come up with my own characters
and just write my own version of that story.
So one day I'm going to. Everybody tells me
I should write a book about my life. You
do.
You need to write a book about your life.
(55:52):
You need to write a financial book. And I
am here to help you. When you're ready.
Yay. Thank you. I love it. I love it.
See you see, put. What do you want? And
there you go. Things just come up. Yes, there
you go. Trust the process.
There you go. Okay, so before, before we go,
(56:13):
I would love if you could tell the listeners
where they could see, stay connected with you, where
they can learn more from you and about you.
Sure. So I'm on social media like everybody else.
Well, I almost. I'm on social media. I'm actually
on. On TikTok. I'm on. I'm on Instagram, on
Facebook, LinkedIn. I. So I have my own personal
(56:37):
accounts like DOA on Chel. That's O N C
E L. So you can search my name, you'll
find me. And also I have the financial course,
Money Made Course. So it's whatever at Money Made
Course either Tik Tok and Instagram, it comes up.
So. And then the website doll.com, which I use
that for, for my course because, hey, I'm the
(56:59):
one that's teaching you. So I got to put
my name on it and yes, and they can.
You can find anything about me on. On website,
basically under Animal Software me there, reach out dm
like DM me. If you have questions or anything,
I would love to help. I Love helping people.
So reach out.
I will definitely have all your links in the
(57:20):
details section so they don't have to search too
far.
Thank you. You're welcome.
You're welcome. So we're going to end the show
with a rapid fire and.
Okay. I'm looking forward to this.
You can usually answer one word or one sentence,
but if you feel the need to unpack, you're
more than welcome to do so.
Sure.
All right. What's the most repeated thought you have
(57:45):
in a day?
I got this. It comes from like sometimes I'm
like, I feel. I feel stuck. And I'm like,
I got this, I got this, I got this.
So, yeah, love it. Okay.
What would the younger version of do? Be proud
of you for so many things.
(58:05):
Well, okay, this is going to be. I'm going
to make it as short as possible, but when
I was about 9 or 10 years old, I
remember and I've never seen anyone doing this. And
I don't know where this came into my mind
where I wanted to be an entrepreneur. I didn't
know what that was. So I'm have. My dad
(58:25):
had this file folders all over the house. So
I took one that made it mine and. And
I have like imaginary files in that folder. And
I would put on my best clothes and I'll
put that, you know, my. The file for, you
know. Right. And I'd be walking around the building
because I lived in a building back home. So
(58:46):
right around the building and I'm walking all like
straight as if I'm going to work to my
office. And then while I go behind the building,
I had my imaginary boardroom with imaginary board table,
imaginary people, you know, my staff. And I had
project. I was talking about projections. I didn't know
what the hell projection was. Projections. And I like,
(59:09):
I had presentations and we're talking about that, like
business growth. I don't know how that came my
mind. And I feel like that was manifestation preview
to what I would be basically because I'm doing
that so much right now. Right. And that version
of me would be so proud that I like
feeling that those thoughts. I carried those thoughts for
(59:32):
her. But also she would be very proud of
me for coming above all the challenges. Having been
homeless so many times, having been abused so many
times, having been through like, we're gonna need another
show from this trauma. Like all of this stuff
(59:54):
that I've come overco. You know, she would just
say thank you. And funny enough, I have had
this revelation in the car where I remind. I
remember Of a couple of things that were happening
to me when I was younger, and I. I
was having a conversation with my younger self and
(01:00:14):
saying that, you know, you did the best. I
was. I was talking to her, and she was
talking back to me. It sounds crazy, I know,
but it is. I, like, it was my. It
was part of my healing journey where, you know,
talking to her says, you did the best you
could. Like, if it wasn't for you to have
been so strong to who you were and believe
in you, I wouldn't be where I am today.
(01:00:36):
And then her, she would say, you know, to
me, you carry me from there. I'm getting goosebumps.
You carry me from there to where you are
today. You know, like, you did. Like, together, my
younger self and me now, we work together to
be where we are today. You know, that's what
I would. Wow. That's what should be proud of.
(01:00:58):
Beautiful. Beautiful. What advice would you give your future
self?
Girl, you've got this. Honestly, you've got this. You
can do anything. Stop being afraid. No. And not
even afraid, but don't hold back. Like, do all
the things because you already. There's proof. You got
(01:01:20):
proof that you could do it. So don't hold
back. Love it.
Okay. When and where are you the happiest?
Have to have my coffee in the morning. Literally,
this is the reason why my kids are still
alive. I have coffee in the morning. After I
have my coffee in the morning, I'm a different
(01:01:40):
person, and I'm very happy. Like, I don't. It's
a little things that matter. Coffee is good for
me, and I love having time for myself in
the morning. And after I have my time with
myself, you know, so when I'm drinking my coffee,
the reason why I love it so much, not
only that it wakes me up, but also I
write on my journal, I meditate. You know, I
(01:02:01):
watch some inspirational stuff on YouTube or I look
at something on social media that is inspirational, and
that's just time for myself. It's 20 minutes, 30
minutes. Like, that's. That's. That's the happiest that I
am. After that, I'm like, yes, I can take
the. I could take on the day, you know?
Yes. Listen, how we. How we start the day
(01:02:22):
sets the tone for the rest of our day.
So.
Yeah, it really does.
Okay. Last but not least, what do you wish
women would do more of believing themselves?
Like, believe in themselves. And don't give your power
to other people, Whether not just men, but women,
(01:02:43):
too. Just hold your Power because you have it.
I know many times when I feel like I've
given up my power and waiting on people to
make decisions for me. Never again. And also I
see women still wait for approval from people to
say whether they should or shouldn't be doing something.
It's not. I don't care if it's your husband.
(01:03:04):
I don't care if it's your kids. I don't
care if it's whatever. You are your own person.
You don't need approval. You just, just believe in
you. You got, you got this. I got this.
You got this. Okay. Yes.
I love it. I love it, honestly. Thank you
so much, Jorna. Thank you for sharing your story
with us. I truly, truly, truly appreciate you.
(01:03:27):
Thanks for having me. I really appreciate and I
love your show. I listened to it many years
and I'm just thinking, like, wow, I think, I
think I'm probably not as cool to be in
the show, but here I am. So thank you.
I appreciate it. No, I really love, I love
what you share in the show. You know, like,
I feel it's so informative and so transformational for
(01:03:48):
women to feel like you share your story and
then feel like women can go through stuff. So
it's so powerful. So I actually appreciate that.
Thank you. Thank you so, so much.
You're welcome.
And to all our healers out there, thank you
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