September 15, 2023 • 31 mins
Welcome back to the "How it's really going" podcast! 🎙️
Today, I've got something a little different for you... Back in August, I had the privilege of sitting down with one of my favorite clients, Debbie Weiss! And today I'm bringing this episode to you, and there's a good reason behind the delay.
You see, Debbie launched her very first book, "On Second Thought, Maybe I Can," in August, right around the time we recorded this chat. But my podcast took a little hiatus as you know so it didn't make sense to plop this in at that time.
But I'm back, and excited to share this inspiring conversation with you.
Debbie is a remarkable individual with a story that'll give you all the feels. She's faced adversity and tough situations throughout her life, but she's the kind of person who refuses to let anything hold her back.
Her memoir, "On second thought, Maybe I Can," dives deep into her incredible journey, chronicling the challenges she's overcome. Debbie's resilience shines through. She didn't just survive; she thrived. ✨
In this episode, we delve into the nitty-gritty of her book writing process, the launch event she hosted with 60 people, and her aspirations to make a difference by sharing her story through public speaking.
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Shana (00:02):
Hey there.
Welcome back to the, how it'sreally going Rucker.
And today I'm sharing with youan episode I recorded back in
August with one of my clients,Debbie Weiss.
And I'm sharing this now for areason.
And that's because Debbie haslaunched her first book just
back in, she launched itactually in August and that's
when we recorded this episode.
(00:24):
But my podcast was on hold for alittle bit.
And now that we're back, I'msuper excited to be able to
share this episode with you.
And the reason I wanted to bringDebbie to all of you guys is
that she is an incredibleperson.
She's one of my favorite clientsand she is just had, she has
just an, and it's such aninspiring story.
(00:47):
Debbie has dealt with a lot ofadversity and really hard
circumstances over her wholeentire life.
Yet she's never let that stopher.
And that's actually what her newmemoir is about, which is called
on second thought, maybe I can.
And it's her memoir about allthe circumstances that she has
faced through her life and howshe didn't let those things stop
(01:10):
her.
She always found a way tocontinue to move forward and
continue to make her goals anddreams happen.
Including when she was facedwith the death of her husband
back in January of this yearDebbie talks about that
experience openly and how itwas.
As hard as it was during thattime taking care of her husband
(01:31):
and going through all of thatand her two sons as well how she
was able to continue to keepmoving forward and write her
book as well as start hercoaching business and to really
just keep.
Not only taking care of thepeople that she loves so much
and go through and going throughall of that stuff, which was
(01:52):
very difficult, but also makingthe choice to keep her own life
moving forward and not lettingcircumstances.
Stop her from living.
And it's such a powerfulmessage.
And I want to share with her, Iwant to share her with all of
you guys.
And in this episode Debbie and Italk about, she back in August
(02:14):
did a launch, a live launch forthe memoir that she wrote, as
well as opening, basicallyopening up her speaking career,
because that's ultimately whatshe wants to do is help people
by sharing her story.
And we talked about what it waslike to write the book what she
went through during that time,as well as launching her book
(02:36):
and having this live event with60 people.
And all of these things going onin her life.
And we share that story with youhere in today's episode.
So I'm really excited to shareDebbie with you today.
Buckle up.
Here we go.
Debbie (02:52):
Hey Debbie.
How are you?
Good, Shana, what
Shana (02:55):
about you?
I'm good.
I'm super excited to have thischat with you because we've been
on a journey together for quitea while.
I was actually saying thismorning to a friend of mine I
was saying, she was asking mewhat I was working on this week,
and I was saying your stuff and,oh no.
Actually, you know what it wasHeather was at my paint night
last night and she was one ofyour
Debbie (03:13):
beta readers.
Shana (03:14):
She saw my story and she was at my paint night last
night.
'cause she's from my hometown,London, Ontario.
And she was like, I read herbook and she loved it.
And I was like, oh, Debbie'sbeen my client and I, and when I
was saying how long you'd beenmy client for, I wrote two
years.
And I was like, holy smokes.
It's been two years,
Debbie (03:30):
almost two years.
I know's.
Crazy.
I can't even, that's crazy.
Believe it.
Either's.
That's why every time I talkabout you and like I said, it's
so strange that we haven't met,but it doesn't matter that we
haven't met.
So quote unquote in person youare my partner in this whole
thing.
I feel like your name should bea co everything on everything
that I do.
(03:50):
It's like she's a poor behindthe scenes
Shana (03:53):
person.
No, you've done it all.
You've done it all.
I've just been here to guide alittle bit, I guess you could
say.
So more than that, let's start.
Let's start there.
Okay, let's start where, becauseI wanna share the journey of you
deciding to write the book andthen this book launch, because
there was, there's just so manypieces and parts to where you
(04:14):
got to today, like where nowyou're a published author, your
book is for sale, everywherebooks are sold, which seems so
crazy to say that.
Yes, it does.
And like you're on Amazon, allthe things.
But it wasn't like, it was justsuper easy to get there.
And so when we met you wereactually going down a different
path.
So why don't you just maybestart with a little bit of that
Debbie (04:35):
story.
Yep.
So I was going down a differentpath that I had.
Just formulated because I hadjoined Fast Foundations.
Yes.
And I walked into this world ofall these coaches and different
ideas of things I didn't evenknow existed.
And I had joined thinking I wasgoing to start selling a
(04:58):
product, a network.
Marketing deal.
And when I joined, I was like,this is not.
This is not meaningful.
I want something meaningful withmy life.
What am I was really trying toexplore what's my purpose here.
And caregiving.
That's the story of my life.
That's an overarching theme ofmy life over 40 years.
(05:20):
So when we met, I was interestedin starting a business, trying
to help caregivers.
Learn self-care.
Yes.
And that's how we met.
And that was November of 2021.
Shana (05:33):
I know.
I was gonna say it was November.
I remember that.
Yep.
And at that time I was helpingcoaches establish themselves
online and get their businessesup and running and figure out
their programs and all that kindof stuff.
And so I remember that'cause youhad.
Come to the table with ourcoaching, with your branding,
you had there was a lot ofthings that you had already in
(05:53):
place when we started workingtogether, and I remember.
And this is my perspective ofour time together in that first,
I would say six to seven monthswas you really struggled with
it.
There was like, you knew youwanted it, but it was like, it
felt like it was so hard to puttogether.
Does that make, does that soundfamiliar or how did you feel
(06:15):
about it?
There was just like, I felt likewe kept running into roadblocks
Debbie (06:17):
with it.
With, I think for me in the endI think we ran into roadblocks
because I realized, yes, I wannahelp caregivers, but it was
difficult because I was in aplace personally where I
couldn't take on other people'sproblems, so to speak.
(06:38):
And that was never my intent.
It was not to talk about, Theircaring journey, caregiving
journey, but to talk aboutthemselves and how to prioritize
themselves.
But of course, You've gottashare your caregiving journey,
it's not in a vacuum self-care.
And I think that's somethingthat I didn't realize that I
(07:01):
just could not handle at thatpoint.
So maybe that's why we keptrunning into roadblocks.
Oh,
Shana (07:06):
I totally believe, I believe that when you keep doing
that or something's just notfitting, there's a reason, like
it's, you're, you were meant totake this other path.
But the thing is that sometimeswe have to.
Do the thing that's maybe notright in order to get us to the
thing that is it's like I spentI don't know, eight years in
network marketing, which I lovedat the time, but that's not my
(07:28):
life anymore.
But that's what led me to onlineentrepreneurship and business
coaching and all of this stuff,right?
So I don't, it's not, it's neverwrong and it's never a waste of
time.
It's just what you had to gothrough in order to get to where
you are today.
And I think that's why it wasn'tworking was because, Where you
are now, look at how I feel likeeverything's sure it's not easy
(07:51):
but it's coming together.
There's things that arehappening a lot faster, smoother
than when you were going downthe caregiving road.
Debbie (07:59):
And you always reminded me when I.
Something wasn't working orhitting a roadblock, and I'd
feel so defeated and you are sogreat at always reminding me it
happens for a reason and that'sokay, we're gonna use this
feedback and just always keepingme grounded and I see some of my
(08:20):
fellow initial fast foundations.
Comrades.
Did they?
They were like me.
Many of them had alreadyestablished businesses, but
those that didn't, it's hard.
It's hard to keep going.
One, there's a financialinvestment, there's a time
investment.
And you think, okay, I gave it atry, I'm done.
(08:43):
That roadblock means this is notfor me.
And I think that it's likewriting a book.
That's where people just turnaround and retreat.
Shana (08:53):
And I think that there's two sides to that because I
often, as a business coach, I'vehad people come to me being
like, should I quit or should Ikeep going?
And to me the answer is, do youwant to quit?
I know it's not working for youright now, but does your heart
still say, no, I still wannakeep doing this because if it's
not working and your heart feelsthat way, then to me that means
you just gotta keep going.
(09:13):
You gotta find another route,you gotta find another way.
You've gotta there's otherthings you can do, but if you,
if your heart is just I'm justnot in this anymore.
I just don't, this doesn't feelgood for me anymore.
I don't wanna do this anymore.
That's a different feeling, andso it's like picking the road,
like what, how do you actuallyfeel about it?
Debbie (09:33):
No, and I agree, and that's something that you said
to me that helped me realize,okay, I am quitting this
caregiver thing.
I think what I meant was,Quitting it all.
Quitting, being in search of,okay, it's not this, but then
what?
That's really what I meant.
Not necessarily quitting thatone thing.
Just the journey.
Quitting the journey.
(09:53):
Journey.
Shana (09:54):
So it's again, but that's even still comes down to, do you
still have that drive to, findyour purpose in maybe whether
it's in entrepreneurship orvolunteering or whatever, or do
you just wanna just.
Live your everyday life day inand day out, same sort of thing.
And not even try.
And it's I always am for the getout there and do different
(10:15):
things and find your way.
Everybody has their own thing.
I, once you like, how did you gofrom, what was the leap from,
okay.
The caregiving coaching pieceisn't for me to, I
Debbie (10:28):
wanna write a book.
I think people were.
Including yourself.
We're always saying somethingabout writing a book.
I had also gotten to a pointwhere I thought, I wanna be a
speaker.
I wanna speak and share amessage.
And the writing of the book madesense because that's, One way to
(10:51):
share a message, and then fromthere, that will help you get
out there and share your messagewith more people.
Something that, I'm not sure ifI ever told you this or not, and
I've never said this out loud,so other people kept saying,
always you should write a book.
You should write a book.
Around the same time, I did twothings that were so interesting.
(11:12):
I had I met with an astrologer.
Somebody I never met.
Oh, you didn't tell me this.
No.
Somebody I never met withbefore.
Actually, I was giving, I wantedto give the girls at my
insurance office somethingunusual.
My friend came up with the ideaof having them have a reading
and I didn't know anyone.
(11:34):
And I looked online, whatever,and I thought, let me meet with
her first to make sure before Ispend She's legit.
And she said to me, You're, andat the time I was talking about
speaking and she said, she said,but you are meant to, you're
gonna be an author.
I was like, what?
She said, you are gonna be anauthor.
I said other people have putthat idea in my head, but I was
(11:56):
not a believer and I had no ideahow even to go about it.
And she said to me, buy thisbook.
Whatever the book was, it waslike a simple book about
writing.
Okay.
And I bought the book and Ithink I probably read a quarter
of it.
And then maybe two months laterI met with somebody I knew
through locally throughnetworking.
(12:17):
I think I went for her to herfor Reiki, I don't know.
And she said, oh, let's readyour cards.
And what do you think keptcoming up?
Book.
You're an author, not one book,many books.
And I thought, okay, this is oneof those times where you need to
listen.
To what the universe is tellingyou.
(12:38):
And not just chalk it up tocoincidence or whatever.
And honestly, those two thingsmade me think I should do this.
And then when I was listening toa podcast, I that I don't listen
to all the time.
And I heard Lauren from BurningSoul Collective.
(12:58):
It was like, I knew this woman.
I didn't know this woman.
I felt like I knew this woman.
And she helped first timeauthors.
And I was like, oh, come on now.
Seriously, I'm getting likepeople the world is screaming at
me.
And then when I met with her andshe was launching a course, it
was like, this is just meant tobe, and I'm gonna give it a try.
(13:19):
And you listen.
Even at that point, I didn'tbelieve I was gonna do it.
Shana (13:22):
Cause I remember it's like you were always like I just
don't know how to start this andwhat do I it's I don't even know
what to do with this.
There was a lot of like unknownsand then it was just like, just
start writing.
Just start.
Just write a, write aboutsomething in your life and just
go put it in the computer andsee what happens.
It's funny because I always tellthe story about the feather of
the brick in the Mack truck.
(13:42):
It's a story that's not mine.
I did not create this.
I actually learned it from awoman named Karen Kenny.
But the feather the story goesis first you get the feather.
So it's the little whisper inyour ear of Hey, maybe I could
do this.
And if you don't listen to thefeather and you keep ignoring
it, you get the brick, which isthe brick is usually something
that.
Forces you into looking at thething.
(14:04):
And it's not usually, doesn't,usually it's not, sometimes it's
a not a great situation thatkind of moves you into it.
And then if you don't listen tothat, then you get the Mack
truck.
And the Mack truck is usually asituation that forces you into
the direction that you'resupposed to go.
And so I always say it's soimportant to listen to the
Feather because you don't wantthe Breaker, the Mack truck, and
(14:26):
you listen to the feather.
A hundred percent.
I did.
And I think that when you dolisten and you start to take
that step, like you don't needto know how, you don't need to
know.
You didn't need to know everysingle thing about writing a
book to start.
You just needed to get startedin hiring Lauren and just
getting your getting into it alittle bit.
And then it just started to cometogether.
Debbie (14:49):
You know what, though?
I started and this helped mybelief, I, something else I
listened to, they were talkingabout the importance of freeform
journaling, I'm gonna call it.
Something that always scared melooking at a blank page.
Once I started journaling, whichfor so long I didn't want to, I
(15:09):
was comfortable with prompts.
I can answer these questions.
That is enough to look at.
A blank page was intimidating.
And I said, okay, I've nevertried it, so why am I putting
down something I never tried.
I just assumed I couldn't do it'cause it was intimidating and I
was, I.
Surprised at how easily I did doit and how while I was writing,
(15:33):
my mind took me to so manydifferent places.
I was like, wait a second.
I started at a, and I wound upat l how did this happen?
And I think then I realized likethe power of writing.
And that helped as well.
Shana (15:52):
And then so you started writing, you started putting
thoughts into your computer.
You started cause you're, I,from what I remember with
writing the book, you didn'twrite it in order.
Like you were just like gettingstories from your life out of
your head and then it started toform into the way it is now or
how did that
Debbie (16:12):
look?
Honestly, it was Lauren's coursebecause I.
I don't remember.
I think I did start to write acouple of stories, but I didn't
understand, and this was aroadblock for me.
What is the structure?
What is this book gonna looklike?
I have to understand it.
And it took me a while, I keptwriting, but she gave me the
(16:32):
format or the format outline tochoose from.
And then her course took youthrough a series of thoughtful
exercises that helped youformulate, but even after that,
I just wasn't sure once I hadeverything outlined.
Oh my gosh.
It was such a relief because Iremember I.
(16:55):
I used Google Docs and I didn'teven know that you could like
make an outline and how thatwhole worked, but you could, and
then every time I opened mycomputer I would see on the left
hand side the outline with thechapters listed, but blank.
So you said to fill the blankand then, I'd be like, okay, let
me take a look.
(17:15):
I feel like telling this storytoday, or and that's what I
would do.
It took me a while'cause Ithought I had to write it in
order, which was so stupid.
Like why?
But anyway, that was freeingwhen I realized I didn't have to
do that.
Cause then
Shana (17:30):
because you're writing from a different place, you're
writing from a, Hey, I wannawrite this story today, versus,
I have to write this storytoday.
Exactly.
Which is good.
Which is good.
And then so I.
Once you got,'cause I know therewas a lot going on in your life
at the time.
Obviously we're very close.
We talk every week.
Just share a little bit abouthow that was for you as like how
to how do you get something likethat's, to me such a big project
(17:56):
done and you did it like withthe timings and all the things,
but yet you had still so muchgoing on in your life with Gary
and your kids and everything.
So how did you mentally getthrough that?
How was that for you?
What were some of the tools youused to help get
Debbie (18:12):
through that?
For those who don't know, butanyone who typically listens,
I'm sure you know that myhusband at that time was
diagnosed with terminal bloodcancer.
I.
And we didn't know what his lifeexpectancy was and he was there
was no cure, but he was goingthrough chemo and he was
hospitalized a lot of times fora lot of different things.
(18:33):
And luckily, one of the reasonsI was getting the astrologer for
my insurance team is becausethey gave me, they just handled
everything.
I didn't have to go to myoffice.
So I also found myself in adifferent situation because I
was home all the time.
And.
I when he was diagnosed and thenLauren's course came up and I
(18:55):
thought this is ridiculous.
How can I even think of takingon a project like this?
And I actually spoke to mytherapist, I remember, and I
thought, okay, she's gonnaconfirm that I'm nuts and I
should wait.
And then she said, oh no, Ithink it's great.
And I was like, really?
She said, it's gonna give yousomething of your own.
(19:16):
Something outside of this reallydifficult situation and life
that you're living.
And she was right.
So the tools, honestly, I use,since I had so much more time to
be home.
It gave me time to like reallymeditate every day, journal
(19:37):
every day.
I started doing some breath workthat I had never done before
that I found really powerful todo before I wrote.
It was amazing, but I had theluxury of time.
Now, I couldn't just say, okaywilly-nilly.
(19:58):
Obviously there was a lot goingon in my life, but luckily I got
up early.
I got up at five o'clock in themorning.
To do all those things before myhusband got up, the other thing
I did was every day in acalendar, I scheduled an hour of
writing time.
And even when my husband wasawake and downstairs, as long as
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he was taking care of, I'd sayto him, I'm going to my room.
I'm going up there for an hour.
I have a meeting.
He didn't know I didn't have ameeting.
And only call me if it's anemergency.
And I did it.
I stuck to that.
Shana (20:35):
There's discipline involved in that to keep that
going.
Yes.
And I think you're right.
I think that was a savior foryou because like you could
totally go into just beingcaregiver, and that could be
probably overwhelming andfeeling like that would be an
energy drain for sure.
It's almost like this gave youthat little bit of extra energy
to get through it all.
(20:56):
I love that.
Did.
And then, so the book is done,and.
Now you have to share it withthe world.
And so how did you decide to, Iknow you did the big launch and
you had the big event.
How did you get to the placewhere you decided that's the way
you wanted to do it?
Were there other ways to do it?
What made you wanna go and
Debbie (21:16):
do this?
I think after such a difficulttime in my life, I needed a
celebration.
I.
And what better reason than tocelebrate this accomplishment?
Because it is a bigaccomplishment.
And I think, I don't give myselfcredit for that.
I listen to other people and Ifeel like, okay, so no big deal.
(21:37):
But no, it is a big deal and Ineed to celebrate that.
And so that was the reason forthe big celebration.
And it was everything that Ihoped it would be.
It was a wonderful night.
Shana (21:54):
It was awesome.
I watched the live stream.
Your boys were amazing.
Your brother was there, he washilarious.
Like you guys just had andreally that was your first sort
of big opportunity to be aspeaker.
'cause you did speak, like youhad a whole thing that you
shared that night.
And how did that feel?
Nervous
Debbie (22:11):
when I first started because I was winging it.
But once I got talking, then itwas fine.
I love the feeling of lookingout into the audience and seeing
people connecting with what I'msaying and getting that feedback
afterwards.
(22:32):
And hearing that something Isaid resonated with them.
It reminds me, That's the wholereason that I'm doing all of
this.
In the first place.
Like sometimes you get so in theweeds about what you're doing.
You need that reminder of theoverall big why, the big vision,
(22:52):
which is to let other peopleknow.
What I found out, I feel like ata late age.
That you just don't have to gothrough your life in, I don't
wanna say drudgery.
'cause not, no, not, I don'tmean that.
You have control.
You have control.
Shana (23:08):
Cause a lot of people live their life in the way that
they feel like they don't havecontrol.
And so they just, they re theyreact to life versus responding.
And so your message is reallypowerful because it does
literally wake people up to thefact that they do have choice
and that they can choose torespond differently and that can
lead them to having a completelydifferent life, much like your
(23:31):
own.
Two years ago you would,
Debbie (23:33):
oh my gosh, you're a podcaster,
Shana (23:35):
a speaker, and an author.
Debbie (23:36):
And you know what the thing is that even before any of
those things happened, andbefore whatever is next, the
biggest change is waking upevery day excited.
Excited about, What I'm gonnado, who I'm gonna talk to,
there's drudgery involved.
(23:58):
Sure, there's tasks I don'twanna do for sure that I
procrastinate about, but it'sbigger than that.
It's just excitement, I think.
Excitement of what's to come andwhat am I doing now that's going
to create the future that Iwant.
The next thing I'm doing it.
And it's a great way to
Shana (24:17):
live.
I remember you telling me abouta meditation, and in that
meditation you had avisualization of you being on
stage and your boys were onstage and you were at you were
speaking and they were there andyou had this like feeling This
was what I want and that'sseriously what's happening to
you now?
Like we have we've got a speakerpage for you on your website.
(24:39):
We've got your speaker sheet.
So when people wanna hire you,we've got everything is lining
up.
It's all coming together.
How does that feel?
I.
It's
Debbie (24:48):
so funny you should say that.
I don't wanna say I forgot aboutthat, but I guess I haven't
thought about that in a while.
And actually I had thatvisualization during a
breathwork session right beforeI went to write.
And it was so strong.
It was so strong.
And people were saying to mewhen they watch my boys, so Sam,
(25:09):
my oldest one, he's always beenoutgoing.
He's the performer.
He doesn't get afraid ofstanding up there.
But Ben, Is not.
Or has not been in the past.
Very timid, shy, doesn't puthimself out there.
And so many people said, Benshocked me.
(25:29):
Ben shocked me with his poiseand confidence.
You could tell he felt socomfortable up there.
And, in, he had to take a publicspeaking class in college and
after the class he was, I guessreally good.
And he was asked to like, Idon't remember.
It's not a teaching assistant,but it's something else.
(25:50):
And he did.
He didn't wind up doing it.
But the fact is, I think theywere both meant to be up there
speaking as well.
And I think that came throughthat night.
And so you saying that is agreat reminder because hopefully
they are on this path with me aswell.
Shana (26:08):
They were fun to watch the two of them, like just going
back and forth with each other.
No, that's amazing.
And so the book launch is done.
The book is out there.
What is next?
'cause I know you've got, I knowwe've talked about doing some
coaching, we've talked aboutspeaking, we've talked about.
So tell us a little bit aboutwhat's coming up for you now
that this is we're post booklaunch.
Debbie (26:31):
All right, so first let me say that.
We communicate when we don't seeeach other, we communicate via
Voxer, a talking app.
I don't know if it was that.
I think it was that night afterit was over, you left me a Voxer
and said how great it was andeverything, and you're like,
okay, tomorrow's phase two.
And I'm like, oh, for God'ssake, Shana, give me a minute to
(26:53):
breathe.
Can I take a couple days beforephase two?
Nope.
Right back to it.
So I didn't tell you this.
So I'm putting it out there.
I actually recorded a podcastinterview yesterday and put it
out there after it happened.
I was taking a shower yesterday.
Always thinking okay, what'swhat is next?
(27:13):
What is next?
And first of all, promoting thebook and getting out, getting
that out there is an ongoingthing.
So that is not, I'm not by anymeans done with the whole book
thing.
But I was thinking to myselfyesterday maybe.
Maybe I can.
Maybe it is my next book is ahow to, because here was my book
(27:37):
hopefully inspiring people totake a look at their own lives.
And something that I struggledwith when writing this book is
what is the difference between,and I had no idea.
Is it a self-help book?
Is it a memoir?
And there are differences, andwas I going to put in something
(27:58):
in this book that people, toolsthat people could use?
And in the end I decided, no, itwould take away from the story.
Now I'm thinking maybe that'sbook number two.
Maybe book number two is youknow, Sharing a little bit more
and then sharing some of thespecifics.
(28:20):
How to.
How what do you think?
What do
Shana (28:23):
you think?
We've talked about,'cause I knowwe, the book we had said should
there be like journal prompts, aworkbooks or there like a
workbook that goes with it.
And I've seen that with a lot ofpeople who I know have written
books that have a book, numbertwo that has still some stories,
but then more of the how to andthen some instructions and
things like that.
And I think that's a great ideato accompany this book.
(28:45):
I think that's amazing.
I think that people would likethat.
Debbie (28:48):
And then the bigger vision that came to me in the
shower yesterday, because I keepgoing back to kids.
I feel like I, I so desperatelywant to help kids.
And specifically in my mind itwe're, it I visualizing me as a
little girl who was a chubby,insecure little girl, and that
(29:12):
girl is my target.
But it is broader than that.
And I'm looking maybe it's a,maybe I can series for kids.
And maybe it's taking whatever Icreate as a workbook or how to
or self-help, whatever foradults.
And then morphing that intosomething that's kid friendly
(29:33):
and understandable.
Shana (29:35):
It's like you learned these lessons when you were 50.
It's like, how do you instillthese lessons?
Sure, maybe not at three orfour, but at like even in the my
son's 13, like he's starting todevelop his habits in life and
his thought patterns and thingslike that.
And so to be able to help kids.
Discover that on second thought,maybe they can and believe in
(29:58):
themselves and have the courageto do the different things.
I think that's a fantastic idea.
I love that idea.
Debbie (30:04):
That's what I planned on talking about today in our
session.
One of the things, one of thethings,
Shana (30:08):
and I know also I'm from thinking from the speaker side
of things, often when you arehired as a speaker, it's to I
know in my years in networkmarketing, they had all kinds of
different motivational speakersthat came in to speak.
And they all had those sort oflessons, the how-to lessons kind
of thing tied in with theirtalks.
And that's why they were hiredbecause we, as the listeners
(30:30):
were looking for nuggets ofinformation that would help us
grow and develop.
And so I think that's a perfectaccompaniment to your book.
So
Debbie (30:38):
I guess that's, and it's already it's already, those
nuggets are already written intomy keynote.
I didn't deliver that at my booklaunch.
But they're already there, so tojust flush them out and makes
sense.
Shana (30:53):
Absolutely.
Awesome.
I love this, Debbie.
I'm super excited for you andI'm grateful to be on this
journey with you and watchingyou just totally evolve and
change and just do all of thesethings like it's awesome to
watch.
So thank you for letting me bepart of this with you, and I'm
excited to see.
Debbie (31:12):
All the things.
Please.
I, like I said, it's, itwouldn't be, it's our journey
together.
I tell everyone and it is, sowe're doing it.
Shana (31:21):
We're doing it.
All right, babe.
We're doing it.
Thank you so much and I'mexcited to to share this with
your audience'cause I want themto know all the cool things that
you're doing and working on.
Debbie (31:31):
Awesome.
Thanks Shana.
Good stuff.
Hey, bye bye.
Till next time.
Hey there.
Welcome back to the, how it'sreally going Rucker.
And today I'm sharing with youan episode I recorded back in
August with one of my clients,Debbie Weiss.
And I'm sharing this now for areason.
And that's because Debbie haslaunched her first book just
back in, she launched itactually in August and that's
when we recorded this episode.
(00:24):
But my podcast was on hold for alittle bit.
And now that we're back, I'msuper excited to be able to
share this episode with you.
And the reason I wanted to bringDebbie to all of you guys is
that she is an incredibleperson.
She's one of my favorite clientsand she is just had, she has
just an, and it's such aninspiring story.
(00:47):
Debbie has dealt with a lot ofadversity and really hard
circumstances over her wholeentire life.
Yet she's never let that stopher.
And that's actually what her newmemoir is about, which is called
on second thought, maybe I can.
And it's her memoir about allthe circumstances that she has
faced through her life and howshe didn't let those things stop
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her.
She always found a way tocontinue to move forward and
continue to make her goals anddreams happen.
Including when she was facedwith the death of her husband
back in January of this yearDebbie talks about that
experience openly and how itwas.
As hard as it was during thattime taking care of her husband
(01:31):
and going through all of thatand her two sons as well how she
was able to continue to keepmoving forward and write her
book as well as start hercoaching business and to really
just keep.
Not only taking care of thepeople that she loves so much
and go through and going throughall of that stuff, which was
(01:52):
very difficult, but also makingthe choice to keep her own life
moving forward and not lettingcircumstances.
Stop her from living.
And it's such a powerfulmessage.
And I want to share with her, Iwant to share her with all of
you guys.
And in this episode Debbie and Italk about, she back in August
(02:14):
did a launch, a live launch forthe memoir that she wrote, as
well as opening, basicallyopening up her speaking career,
because that's ultimately whatshe wants to do is help people
by sharing her story.
And we talked about what it waslike to write the book what she
went through during that time,as well as launching her book
(02:36):
and having this live event with60 people.
And all of these things going onin her life.
And we share that story with youhere in today's episode.
So I'm really excited to shareDebbie with you today.
Buckle up.
Here we go.
Debbie (02:52):
Hey Debbie.
How are you?
Good, Shana, what
Shana (02:55):
about you?
I'm good.
I'm super excited to have thischat with you because we've been
on a journey together for quitea while.
I was actually saying thismorning to a friend of mine I
was saying, she was asking mewhat I was working on this week,
and I was saying your stuff and,oh no.
Actually, you know what it wasHeather was at my paint night
last night and she was one ofyour
Debbie (03:13):
beta readers.
Shana (03:14):
She saw my story and she was at my paint night last
night.
'cause she's from my hometown,London, Ontario.
And she was like, I read herbook and she loved it.
And I was like, oh, Debbie'sbeen my client and I, and when I
was saying how long you'd beenmy client for, I wrote two
years.
And I was like, holy smokes.
It's been two years,
Debbie (03:30):
almost two years.
I know's.
Crazy.
I can't even, that's crazy.
Believe it.
Either's.
That's why every time I talkabout you and like I said, it's
so strange that we haven't met,but it doesn't matter that we
haven't met.
So quote unquote in person youare my partner in this whole
thing.
I feel like your name should bea co everything on everything
that I do.
(03:50):
It's like she's a poor behindthe scenes
Shana (03:53):
person.
No, you've done it all.
You've done it all.
I've just been here to guide alittle bit, I guess you could
say.
So more than that, let's start.
Let's start there.
Okay, let's start where, becauseI wanna share the journey of you
deciding to write the book andthen this book launch, because
there was, there's just so manypieces and parts to where you
(04:14):
got to today, like where nowyou're a published author, your
book is for sale, everywherebooks are sold, which seems so
crazy to say that.
Yes, it does.
And like you're on Amazon, allthe things.
But it wasn't like, it was justsuper easy to get there.
And so when we met you wereactually going down a different
path.
So why don't you just maybestart with a little bit of that
Debbie (04:35):
story.
Yep.
So I was going down a differentpath that I had.
Just formulated because I hadjoined Fast Foundations.
Yes.
And I walked into this world ofall these coaches and different
ideas of things I didn't evenknow existed.
And I had joined thinking I wasgoing to start selling a
(04:58):
product, a network.
Marketing deal.
And when I joined, I was like,this is not.
This is not meaningful.
I want something meaningful withmy life.
What am I was really trying toexplore what's my purpose here.
And caregiving.
That's the story of my life.
That's an overarching theme ofmy life over 40 years.
(05:20):
So when we met, I was interestedin starting a business, trying
to help caregivers.
Learn self-care.
Yes.
And that's how we met.
And that was November of 2021.
Shana (05:33):
I know.
I was gonna say it was November.
I remember that.
Yep.
And at that time I was helpingcoaches establish themselves
online and get their businessesup and running and figure out
their programs and all that kindof stuff.
And so I remember that'cause youhad.
Come to the table with ourcoaching, with your branding,
you had there was a lot ofthings that you had already in
(05:53):
place when we started workingtogether, and I remember.
And this is my perspective ofour time together in that first,
I would say six to seven monthswas you really struggled with
it.
There was like, you knew youwanted it, but it was like, it
felt like it was so hard to puttogether.
Does that make, does that soundfamiliar or how did you feel
(06:15):
about it?
There was just like, I felt likewe kept running into roadblocks
Debbie (06:17):
with it.
With, I think for me in the endI think we ran into roadblocks
because I realized, yes, I wannahelp caregivers, but it was
difficult because I was in aplace personally where I
couldn't take on other people'sproblems, so to speak.
(06:38):
And that was never my intent.
It was not to talk about, Theircaring journey, caregiving
journey, but to talk aboutthemselves and how to prioritize
themselves.
But of course, You've gottashare your caregiving journey,
it's not in a vacuum self-care.
And I think that's somethingthat I didn't realize that I
(07:01):
just could not handle at thatpoint.
So maybe that's why we keptrunning into roadblocks.
Oh,
Shana (07:06):
I totally believe, I believe that when you keep doing
that or something's just notfitting, there's a reason, like
it's, you're, you were meant totake this other path.
But the thing is that sometimeswe have to.
Do the thing that's maybe notright in order to get us to the
thing that is it's like I spentI don't know, eight years in
network marketing, which I lovedat the time, but that's not my
(07:28):
life anymore.
But that's what led me to onlineentrepreneurship and business
coaching and all of this stuff,right?
So I don't, it's not, it's neverwrong and it's never a waste of
time.
It's just what you had to gothrough in order to get to where
you are today.
And I think that's why it wasn'tworking was because, Where you
are now, look at how I feel likeeverything's sure it's not easy
(07:51):
but it's coming together.
There's things that arehappening a lot faster, smoother
than when you were going downthe caregiving road.
Debbie (07:59):
And you always reminded me when I.
Something wasn't working orhitting a roadblock, and I'd
feel so defeated and you are sogreat at always reminding me it
happens for a reason and that'sokay, we're gonna use this
feedback and just always keepingme grounded and I see some of my
(08:20):
fellow initial fast foundations.
Comrades.
Did they?
They were like me.
Many of them had alreadyestablished businesses, but
those that didn't, it's hard.
It's hard to keep going.
One, there's a financialinvestment, there's a time
investment.
And you think, okay, I gave it atry, I'm done.
(08:43):
That roadblock means this is notfor me.
And I think that it's likewriting a book.
That's where people just turnaround and retreat.
Shana (08:53):
And I think that there's two sides to that because I
often, as a business coach, I'vehad people come to me being
like, should I quit or should Ikeep going?
And to me the answer is, do youwant to quit?
I know it's not working for youright now, but does your heart
still say, no, I still wannakeep doing this because if it's
not working and your heart feelsthat way, then to me that means
you just gotta keep going.
(09:13):
You gotta find another route,you gotta find another way.
You've gotta there's otherthings you can do, but if you,
if your heart is just I'm justnot in this anymore.
I just don't, this doesn't feelgood for me anymore.
I don't wanna do this anymore.
That's a different feeling, andso it's like picking the road,
like what, how do you actuallyfeel about it?
Debbie (09:33):
No, and I agree, and that's something that you said
to me that helped me realize,okay, I am quitting this
caregiver thing.
I think what I meant was,Quitting it all.
Quitting, being in search of,okay, it's not this, but then
what?
That's really what I meant.
Not necessarily quitting thatone thing.
Just the journey.
Quitting the journey.
(09:53):
Journey.
Shana (09:54):
So it's again, but that's even still comes down to, do you
still have that drive to, findyour purpose in maybe whether
it's in entrepreneurship orvolunteering or whatever, or do
you just wanna just.
Live your everyday life day inand day out, same sort of thing.
And not even try.
And it's I always am for the getout there and do different
(10:15):
things and find your way.
Everybody has their own thing.
I, once you like, how did you gofrom, what was the leap from,
okay.
The caregiving coaching pieceisn't for me to, I
Debbie (10:28):
wanna write a book.
I think people were.
Including yourself.
We're always saying somethingabout writing a book.
I had also gotten to a pointwhere I thought, I wanna be a
speaker.
I wanna speak and share amessage.
And the writing of the book madesense because that's, One way to
(10:51):
share a message, and then fromthere, that will help you get
out there and share your messagewith more people.
Something that, I'm not sure ifI ever told you this or not, and
I've never said this out loud,so other people kept saying,
always you should write a book.
You should write a book.
Around the same time, I did twothings that were so interesting.
(11:12):
I had I met with an astrologer.
Somebody I never met.
Oh, you didn't tell me this.
No.
Somebody I never met withbefore.
Actually, I was giving, I wantedto give the girls at my
insurance office somethingunusual.
My friend came up with the ideaof having them have a reading
and I didn't know anyone.
(11:34):
And I looked online, whatever,and I thought, let me meet with
her first to make sure before Ispend She's legit.
And she said to me, You're, andat the time I was talking about
speaking and she said, she said,but you are meant to, you're
gonna be an author.
I was like, what?
She said, you are gonna be anauthor.
I said other people have putthat idea in my head, but I was
(11:56):
not a believer and I had no ideahow even to go about it.
And she said to me, buy thisbook.
Whatever the book was, it waslike a simple book about
writing.
Okay.
And I bought the book and Ithink I probably read a quarter
of it.
And then maybe two months laterI met with somebody I knew
through locally throughnetworking.
(12:17):
I think I went for her to herfor Reiki, I don't know.
And she said, oh, let's readyour cards.
And what do you think keptcoming up?
Book.
You're an author, not one book,many books.
And I thought, okay, this is oneof those times where you need to
listen.
To what the universe is tellingyou.
(12:38):
And not just chalk it up tocoincidence or whatever.
And honestly, those two thingsmade me think I should do this.
And then when I was listening toa podcast, I that I don't listen
to all the time.
And I heard Lauren from BurningSoul Collective.
(12:58):
It was like, I knew this woman.
I didn't know this woman.
I felt like I knew this woman.
And she helped first timeauthors.
And I was like, oh, come on now.
Seriously, I'm getting likepeople the world is screaming at
me.
And then when I met with her andshe was launching a course, it
was like, this is just meant tobe, and I'm gonna give it a try.
(13:19):
And you listen.
Even at that point, I didn'tbelieve I was gonna do it.
Shana (13:22):
Cause I remember it's like you were always like I just
don't know how to start this andwhat do I it's I don't even know
what to do with this.
There was a lot of like unknownsand then it was just like, just
start writing.
Just start.
Just write a, write aboutsomething in your life and just
go put it in the computer andsee what happens.
It's funny because I always tellthe story about the feather of
the brick in the Mack truck.
(13:42):
It's a story that's not mine.
I did not create this.
I actually learned it from awoman named Karen Kenny.
But the feather the story goesis first you get the feather.
So it's the little whisper inyour ear of Hey, maybe I could
do this.
And if you don't listen to thefeather and you keep ignoring
it, you get the brick, which isthe brick is usually something
that.
Forces you into looking at thething.
(14:04):
And it's not usually, doesn't,usually it's not, sometimes it's
a not a great situation thatkind of moves you into it.
And then if you don't listen tothat, then you get the Mack
truck.
And the Mack truck is usually asituation that forces you into
the direction that you'resupposed to go.
And so I always say it's soimportant to listen to the
Feather because you don't wantthe Breaker, the Mack truck, and
(14:26):
you listen to the feather.
A hundred percent.
I did.
And I think that when you dolisten and you start to take
that step, like you don't needto know how, you don't need to
know.
You didn't need to know everysingle thing about writing a
book to start.
You just needed to get startedin hiring Lauren and just
getting your getting into it alittle bit.
And then it just started to cometogether.
Debbie (14:49):
You know what, though?
I started and this helped mybelief, I, something else I
listened to, they were talkingabout the importance of freeform
journaling, I'm gonna call it.
Something that always scared melooking at a blank page.
Once I started journaling, whichfor so long I didn't want to, I
(15:09):
was comfortable with prompts.
I can answer these questions.
That is enough to look at.
A blank page was intimidating.
And I said, okay, I've nevertried it, so why am I putting
down something I never tried.
I just assumed I couldn't do it'cause it was intimidating and I
was, I.
Surprised at how easily I did doit and how while I was writing,
(15:33):
my mind took me to so manydifferent places.
I was like, wait a second.
I started at a, and I wound upat l how did this happen?
And I think then I realized likethe power of writing.
And that helped as well.
Shana (15:52):
And then so you started writing, you started putting
thoughts into your computer.
You started cause you're, I,from what I remember with
writing the book, you didn'twrite it in order.
Like you were just like gettingstories from your life out of
your head and then it started toform into the way it is now or
how did that
Debbie (16:12):
look?
Honestly, it was Lauren's coursebecause I.
I don't remember.
I think I did start to write acouple of stories, but I didn't
understand, and this was aroadblock for me.
What is the structure?
What is this book gonna looklike?
I have to understand it.
And it took me a while, I keptwriting, but she gave me the
(16:32):
format or the format outline tochoose from.
And then her course took youthrough a series of thoughtful
exercises that helped youformulate, but even after that,
I just wasn't sure once I hadeverything outlined.
Oh my gosh.
It was such a relief because Iremember I.
(16:55):
I used Google Docs and I didn'teven know that you could like
make an outline and how thatwhole worked, but you could, and
then every time I opened mycomputer I would see on the left
hand side the outline with thechapters listed, but blank.
So you said to fill the blankand then, I'd be like, okay, let
me take a look.
(17:15):
I feel like telling this storytoday, or and that's what I
would do.
It took me a while'cause Ithought I had to write it in
order, which was so stupid.
Like why?
But anyway, that was freeingwhen I realized I didn't have to
do that.
Cause then
Shana (17:30):
because you're writing from a different place, you're
writing from a, Hey, I wannawrite this story today, versus,
I have to write this storytoday.
Exactly.
Which is good.
Which is good.
And then so I.
Once you got,'cause I know therewas a lot going on in your life
at the time.
Obviously we're very close.
We talk every week.
Just share a little bit abouthow that was for you as like how
to how do you get something likethat's, to me such a big project
(17:56):
done and you did it like withthe timings and all the things,
but yet you had still so muchgoing on in your life with Gary
and your kids and everything.
So how did you mentally getthrough that?
How was that for you?
What were some of the tools youused to help get
Debbie (18:12):
through that?
For those who don't know, butanyone who typically listens,
I'm sure you know that myhusband at that time was
diagnosed with terminal bloodcancer.
I.
And we didn't know what his lifeexpectancy was and he was there
was no cure, but he was goingthrough chemo and he was
hospitalized a lot of times fora lot of different things.
(18:33):
And luckily, one of the reasonsI was getting the astrologer for
my insurance team is becausethey gave me, they just handled
everything.
I didn't have to go to myoffice.
So I also found myself in adifferent situation because I
was home all the time.
And.
I when he was diagnosed and thenLauren's course came up and I
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thought this is ridiculous.
How can I even think of takingon a project like this?
And I actually spoke to mytherapist, I remember, and I
thought, okay, she's gonnaconfirm that I'm nuts and I
should wait.
And then she said, oh no, Ithink it's great.
And I was like, really?
She said, it's gonna give yousomething of your own.
(19:16):
Something outside of this reallydifficult situation and life
that you're living.
And she was right.
So the tools, honestly, I use,since I had so much more time to
be home.
It gave me time to like reallymeditate every day, journal
(19:37):
every day.
I started doing some breath workthat I had never done before
that I found really powerful todo before I wrote.
It was amazing, but I had theluxury of time.
Now, I couldn't just say, okaywilly-nilly.
(19:58):
Obviously there was a lot goingon in my life, but luckily I got
up early.
I got up at five o'clock in themorning.
To do all those things before myhusband got up, the other thing
I did was every day in acalendar, I scheduled an hour of
writing time.
And even when my husband wasawake and downstairs, as long as
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he was taking care of, I'd sayto him, I'm going to my room.
I'm going up there for an hour.
I have a meeting.
He didn't know I didn't have ameeting.
And only call me if it's anemergency.
And I did it.
I stuck to that.
Shana (20:35):
There's discipline involved in that to keep that
going.
Yes.
And I think you're right.
I think that was a savior foryou because like you could
totally go into just beingcaregiver, and that could be
probably overwhelming andfeeling like that would be an
energy drain for sure.
It's almost like this gave youthat little bit of extra energy
to get through it all.
(20:56):
I love that.
Did.
And then, so the book is done,and.
Now you have to share it withthe world.
And so how did you decide to, Iknow you did the big launch and
you had the big event.
How did you get to the placewhere you decided that's the way
you wanted to do it?
Were there other ways to do it?
What made you wanna go and
Debbie (21:16):
do this?
I think after such a difficulttime in my life, I needed a
celebration.
I.
And what better reason than tocelebrate this accomplishment?
Because it is a bigaccomplishment.
And I think, I don't give myselfcredit for that.
I listen to other people and Ifeel like, okay, so no big deal.
(21:37):
But no, it is a big deal and Ineed to celebrate that.
And so that was the reason forthe big celebration.
And it was everything that Ihoped it would be.
It was a wonderful night.
Shana (21:54):
It was awesome.
I watched the live stream.
Your boys were amazing.
Your brother was there, he washilarious.
Like you guys just had andreally that was your first sort
of big opportunity to be aspeaker.
'cause you did speak, like youhad a whole thing that you
shared that night.
And how did that feel?
Nervous
Debbie (22:11):
when I first started because I was winging it.
But once I got talking, then itwas fine.
I love the feeling of lookingout into the audience and seeing
people connecting with what I'msaying and getting that feedback
afterwards.
(22:32):
And hearing that something Isaid resonated with them.
It reminds me, That's the wholereason that I'm doing all of
this.
In the first place.
Like sometimes you get so in theweeds about what you're doing.
You need that reminder of theoverall big why, the big vision,
(22:52):
which is to let other peopleknow.
What I found out, I feel like ata late age.
That you just don't have to gothrough your life in, I don't
wanna say drudgery.
'cause not, no, not, I don'tmean that.
You have control.
You have control.
Shana (23:08):
Cause a lot of people live their life in the way that
they feel like they don't havecontrol.
And so they just, they re theyreact to life versus responding.
And so your message is reallypowerful because it does
literally wake people up to thefact that they do have choice
and that they can choose torespond differently and that can
lead them to having a completelydifferent life, much like your
(23:31):
own.
Two years ago you would,
Debbie (23:33):
oh my gosh, you're a podcaster,
Shana (23:35):
a speaker, and an author.
Debbie (23:36):
And you know what the thing is that even before any of
those things happened, andbefore whatever is next, the
biggest change is waking upevery day excited.
Excited about, What I'm gonnado, who I'm gonna talk to,
there's drudgery involved.
(23:58):
Sure, there's tasks I don'twanna do for sure that I
procrastinate about, but it'sbigger than that.
It's just excitement, I think.
Excitement of what's to come andwhat am I doing now that's going
to create the future that Iwant.
The next thing I'm doing it.
And it's a great way to
Shana (24:17):
live.
I remember you telling me abouta meditation, and in that
meditation you had avisualization of you being on
stage and your boys were onstage and you were at you were
speaking and they were there andyou had this like feeling This
was what I want and that'sseriously what's happening to
you now?
Like we have we've got a speakerpage for you on your website.
(24:39):
We've got your speaker sheet.
So when people wanna hire you,we've got everything is lining
up.
It's all coming together.
How does that feel?
I.
It's
Debbie (24:48):
so funny you should say that.
I don't wanna say I forgot aboutthat, but I guess I haven't
thought about that in a while.
And actually I had thatvisualization during a
breathwork session right beforeI went to write.
And it was so strong.
It was so strong.
And people were saying to mewhen they watch my boys, so Sam,
(25:09):
my oldest one, he's always beenoutgoing.
He's the performer.
He doesn't get afraid ofstanding up there.
But Ben, Is not.
Or has not been in the past.
Very timid, shy, doesn't puthimself out there.
And so many people said, Benshocked me.
(25:29):
Ben shocked me with his poiseand confidence.
You could tell he felt socomfortable up there.
And, in, he had to take a publicspeaking class in college and
after the class he was, I guessreally good.
And he was asked to like, Idon't remember.
It's not a teaching assistant,but it's something else.
(25:50):
And he did.
He didn't wind up doing it.
But the fact is, I think theywere both meant to be up there
speaking as well.
And I think that came throughthat night.
And so you saying that is agreat reminder because hopefully
they are on this path with me aswell.
Shana (26:08):
They were fun to watch the two of them, like just going
back and forth with each other.
No, that's amazing.
And so the book launch is done.
The book is out there.
What is next?
'cause I know you've got, I knowwe've talked about doing some
coaching, we've talked aboutspeaking, we've talked about.
So tell us a little bit aboutwhat's coming up for you now
that this is we're post booklaunch.
Debbie (26:31):
All right, so first let me say that.
We communicate when we don't seeeach other, we communicate via
Voxer, a talking app.
I don't know if it was that.
I think it was that night afterit was over, you left me a Voxer
and said how great it was andeverything, and you're like,
okay, tomorrow's phase two.
And I'm like, oh, for God'ssake, Shana, give me a minute to
(26:53):
breathe.
Can I take a couple days beforephase two?
Nope.
Right back to it.
So I didn't tell you this.
So I'm putting it out there.
I actually recorded a podcastinterview yesterday and put it
out there after it happened.
I was taking a shower yesterday.
Always thinking okay, what'swhat is next?
(27:13):
What is next?
And first of all, promoting thebook and getting out, getting
that out there is an ongoingthing.
So that is not, I'm not by anymeans done with the whole book
thing.
But I was thinking to myselfyesterday maybe.
Maybe I can.
Maybe it is my next book is ahow to, because here was my book
(27:37):
hopefully inspiring people totake a look at their own lives.
And something that I struggledwith when writing this book is
what is the difference between,and I had no idea.
Is it a self-help book?
Is it a memoir?
And there are differences, andwas I going to put in something
(27:58):
in this book that people, toolsthat people could use?
And in the end I decided, no, itwould take away from the story.
Now I'm thinking maybe that'sbook number two.
Maybe book number two is youknow, Sharing a little bit more
and then sharing some of thespecifics.
(28:20):
How to.
How what do you think?
What do
Shana (28:23):
you think?
We've talked about,'cause I knowwe, the book we had said should
there be like journal prompts, aworkbooks or there like a
workbook that goes with it.
And I've seen that with a lot ofpeople who I know have written
books that have a book, numbertwo that has still some stories,
but then more of the how to andthen some instructions and
things like that.
And I think that's a great ideato accompany this book.
(28:45):
I think that's amazing.
I think that people would likethat.
Debbie (28:48):
And then the bigger vision that came to me in the
shower yesterday, because I keepgoing back to kids.
I feel like I, I so desperatelywant to help kids.
And specifically in my mind itwe're, it I visualizing me as a
little girl who was a chubby,insecure little girl, and that
(29:12):
girl is my target.
But it is broader than that.
And I'm looking maybe it's a,maybe I can series for kids.
And maybe it's taking whatever Icreate as a workbook or how to
or self-help, whatever foradults.
And then morphing that intosomething that's kid friendly
(29:33):
and understandable.
Shana (29:35):
It's like you learned these lessons when you were 50.
It's like, how do you instillthese lessons?
Sure, maybe not at three orfour, but at like even in the my
son's 13, like he's starting todevelop his habits in life and
his thought patterns and thingslike that.
And so to be able to help kids.
Discover that on second thought,maybe they can and believe in
(29:58):
themselves and have the courageto do the different things.
I think that's a fantastic idea.
I love that idea.
Debbie (30:04):
That's what I planned on talking about today in our
session.
One of the things, one of thethings,
Shana (30:08):
and I know also I'm from thinking from the speaker side
of things, often when you arehired as a speaker, it's to I
know in my years in networkmarketing, they had all kinds of
different motivational speakersthat came in to speak.
And they all had those sort oflessons, the how-to lessons kind
of thing tied in with theirtalks.
And that's why they were hiredbecause we, as the listeners
(30:30):
were looking for nuggets ofinformation that would help us
grow and develop.
And so I think that's a perfectaccompaniment to your book.
So
Debbie (30:38):
I guess that's, and it's already it's already, those
nuggets are already written intomy keynote.
I didn't deliver that at my booklaunch.
But they're already there, so tojust flush them out and makes
sense.
Shana (30:53):
Absolutely.
Awesome.
I love this, Debbie.
I'm super excited for you andI'm grateful to be on this
journey with you and watchingyou just totally evolve and
change and just do all of thesethings like it's awesome to
watch.
So thank you for letting me bepart of this with you, and I'm
excited to see.
Debbie (31:12):
All the things.
Please.
I, like I said, it's, itwouldn't be, it's our journey
together.
I tell everyone and it is, sowe're doing it.
Shana (31:21):
We're doing it.
All right, babe.
We're doing it.
Thank you so much and I'mexcited to to share this with
your audience'cause I want themto know all the cool things that
you're doing and working on.
Debbie (31:31):
Awesome.
Thanks Shana.
Good stuff.
Hey, bye bye.
Till next time.
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