June 12, 2023 • 28 mins
Have you ever felt super overwhelmed and burned out by the constant demands of social media and entrepreneurship? I know I have. In this episode, I share my personal journey of finding balance and peace by stepping away from the relentless hustle of entrepreneurship and taking a part-time job. This decision not only provided financial stability but also greatly improved my mental health and happiness. The pressures and stresses associated with social media and business coaching can be overwhelming, and I open up about the challenges I faced and the negative impact it had on both my personal and professional life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey guys, welcome back to How It's Really Going
with Sheena Rekker, and this isa podcast episode that has been
requested multiple times fromyou guys, after I did my recent
post on Instagram where I talkedabout two parts.
One was the stresses of socialmedia and entrepreneurship, and
the second part was where Italked about how getting a
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part-time job or even afull-time job to help support
you while you are being anentrepreneur and building your
business, why that is notsomething to feel shame about,
and how the industry andentrepreneurship and especially
in coaching and in networkmarketing as well how that is
actually looked down upon as asign of you're not successful,
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you're not good enough, you'renot whatever, and I know that to
be true because, one, i feltthat myself, but two, since
posting that, multiple peoplehave messaged me saying this is
a conversation that needs to behad.
I have felt this too.
Please do an episode about that, talk about this stuff, because
it needs to be said, and sothis is why I turned on my mic
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today and I'm sharing with youguys And I don't even know where
to begin with this, but let'sjust dive into it The reason I
did the post.
it was actually a clip from mylast podcast episode where I was
saying how much happier I amnow that I have this part-time
job, now that I'm on socialmedia so much less, now that I
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am not thinking about my nextsale so much and all that kind
of stuff, and I'm a much happierperson because of all of that.
And it took me stepping awayfrom my coaching business and
stepping away from social mediaand stepping away from all of
that to realize the unhealthyconnection that I had with
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social media and being anentrepreneur And that when I was
offered this job at thebeginning, i was very much like
a hell.
No, i'm an entrepreneur.
I am quote unquote successful.
I shouldn't need a job.
But for me, my soul was saying,yes, take this job.
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One, you need the incomebecause my business has been
struggling.
And two, you need to get awayfrom social media.
You need something that you canrely on for some steady income,
but that doesn't require you toshow up on social media to find
your next client or to findyour next paycheck.
And so for me, i took the jobbecause I knew somewhere deep
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inside that that's just what Ineeded to do, and even though it
was a little bit hard on my ego, not because there's any shame
in the job that I took.
I love what I'm doing.
It's absolutely fun, it'samazing Sure income wise is it
where I was hourly wage as acoach or even as a graphic
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designer?
No, but to me it didn't reallymatter so much.
It was more about the mentalhealth piece of taking this job
and stepping away from thesethings and having a little bit
of secure income than it wasabout the money, and I've talked
about that in previous podcastepisodes as well as how doing
things for the money is neverreally good Doing things.
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Sure, we need to make money, weneed to put a roof over our
heads and have food and all ofthose things But I wasn't taking
this job necessarily for themoney.
The money is great, it's a nicelittle added bonus at the end
of the week kind of thing but itwasn't the main reason why I
took the job.
The main reason why I took thejob was because I needed
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something different in my lifethat I could rely on for income
but also didn't require me tohave to be on social media.
So there's two parts to thisconversation.
One is this whole piece ofentrepreneurship, online
entrepreneurship and relying onsocial media to find your next
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client.
I know a lot of us with socialmedia.
It is great.
Social media has changed theonline business game.
It's changed entrepreneurship.
We can be connected to millionsand millions of people on a
free platform and share valueand find clients without having
to pay for ads.
Yes, you can pay for ads andget that result quicker, but you
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don't have to.
You don't have to have a bricksand mortar business.
You don't have to have, I'mgoing to say the yellow pages
For those of us who are oldenough to know what the yellow
pages are.
But you don't have to put an adin the yellow pages.
It's basically free marketingfor businesses, and so it's
great.
I have been so blessed thanks tosocial media.
It's helped me build both backwhen I was doing my network
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marketing business and mycoaching business.
I wouldn't have created andgenerated the income and the
client base that I have if itwasn't for social media.
So it definitely has thepositives and it's there.
But there is also the duality,the dark side of social media,
which is now not.
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Everybody's experience is goingto be the same as mine.
I get that, but in my experience, i ended up having this
dependency on social media.
It was like I needed to be onsocial media to feel like I was
relevant.
I needed to show up on socialmedia to feel like I was making
progress in my business.
If I didn't show up on socialmedia, if I wasn't sharing value
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, if I wasn't creating my nextpost, if I wasn't thinking about
what I was posting next, i wasfeeling behind.
I was feeling like somethinglike I was missing out and that
I was going to you know like,where is my next client going to
come from?
Oh, it's going to come fromsocial media.
So I better keep showing upthere in order to create an
income, so I can pay my bills.
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And so it became the sort oflike weird vicious circle of me
feeling like constantly needingto be with my phone in my hand
and sharing some sort of valueor sharing some sort of piece of
content, and being in front ofpeople in order to Feel like I
was doing enough in order tofind the clients, in order to
get the the next You know personto sign up, in order to receive
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the income, in order to be ableto pay the bills.
Like it was just became this,like you know, this constant
Need of of having to show up inorder to create success, and
That's where my mental healthstarted, you know, definitely
taking a turn, and you know Ihave talked about a lot of
different things in the pastcouple of months about, you know
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, me and the shifts that I'vehad, and you know there's been
the perimenopause stuff which Iknow has played a role in my
Moods and my you know a lot ofdifferent things and my thoughts
and in my mental health.
But I know that, yes, that hasdefinitely impacted a lot of you
know, things that I've beenchanging.
It's because of that I've beenmaking changes in my life
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health-wise, but since takingthis part-time job and Closing
down the coaching and steppingaway from social media To the
degree that I was before I leftcoaching, it's been in that
stepping away, taking this joband taking that time away from
it that has made me reallyrealize how much that was
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actually Hurting me.
And so, in this post that I did, i talked about how taking this
part-time job actually saved me, because I Was feeling this,
you know, when I was, when I wasdoing my coaching business and
I was on social media all thetime I was a miser.
I was miserable, i was bitchy, iwas tired, i was anxious.
It was playing out my familylife.
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It was playing out, you know,with between me and my husband.
It was just playing.
It was playing out my business,constantly feeling stressed,
you know, worrying about my nextpaycheck, my next client, the
next person that was going tosign up So that I could pay my
bills.
Because I was solely relying onmy coaching business, like I
had no real other income.
I did have, i do still create,i do still have income from my
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network marketing business.
Even though I don't activelywork it, i was still.
I still get a monthly paycheckfrom them.
However, that monthly paycheckhas diminished quite a bit over
the years.
So it's about one-tenth of whatit was When I was in my prime
with that business.
So you know feeling the stressof that getting smaller and
smaller each month, plus thenthe pressure of having to show
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up all The time to find yourlike.
I was in this vicious cycle andit was Like crushing my soul
and I knew that.
I can see that now because I'vestepped away from it And since
stepping away from it and takingthis job, i've had multiple
people reach out To say to melike, you seem so different,
your energy is different, youseem so much happier.
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Like nothing financially hasreally changed in my life.
It's not like I'm all of asudden making you know millions
of dollars by because of thisjob, but that's because it's not
the money that's changingthings.
For me It's the, the, the lackof, of, or the, not the lack of,
but the, the, the less stressin my life, the I'm not thinking
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about it as much.
I'm not having.
Like you guys can go on mysocial media.
Sure, i still show up there.
I still have in my own businessI do websites and logos and
things like that forentrepreneurs, but it I don't
feel the need to show up on mysocial media every single day in
order to find those clients.
Those people are now juststarting to come to me through
referrals.
Or if I do post a website on mysite, they see it and they like
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it and they want to get a quote.
You know, it's just sort ofhappening more naturally.
It's not forced at all.
And Not only that, like I, justif I show up and post, i show up
and post.
If I don't, i don't like Idon't care, i just I've, for
whatever reason Probably becauseI'm not relying on my business
coaching solely to pay my bills.
I don't feel this incessantneed to show up on social media
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all the time in order to eat.
You know what I mean, and Thathas been so good for me.
Like I feel like a differentperson, like I feel so much
happier in my life because I amnot Putting that constant
pressure on myself to show upand again.
Maybe this is a me thing, maybeI'm the way I'm doing, it is
fucked up and it's a problemthat only I have.
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But I don't think that's thetruth, because so many of you
have reached out to me sayingyou feel the same way.
And I do believe that is becausein the business coaching space,
we are taught that we have toshow up consistently.
We have to, you know, takemassive responsibility for our
businesses and do the thingsthat we need to do and show up
on social media and give valueand be consistent and all of
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those things, and build thebrand.
And I mean I've taught thosethings myself because I've been
taught those things and I'vetaught those things to my
clients and There is some truthto it for sure, the ones who are
Grinding it out and showing upand you know, there every day
and and constantly in theirstories and doing all the things
, for sure they're there, theyare getting ahead because
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they're constantly in people'sfaces and I mean, yes, you have
to still have good value andthings like that.
You can show up every day andbe shitty and not gain business,
but so you still have to begood at what you do and you have
to have a valuable message.
But it's the consistency, right, that that tends to build The
brand, that tends to bring inthe clients, because more and
more people are seeing you,right?
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so if you're in a space like Iwas, where I Didn't want to do
that anymore, like I just didn'twant to have to show up anymore
every day, but it feels like inthe coaching space specifically
, if you're not willing to playthat game, then you're losing.
You're not gonna have, like Ican tell you.
There have been times where I'veslowed down on my social media
because I was exhausted andburnt out And I could see the
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reflection in my business, right, if I wasn't launching a
program, if I wasn't on theretalking about signing up for my
masterclass or, you know,joining my next, you know the
Next client attractor program,or my next private coaching spot
or whatever it was.
Then I wasn't making salesbecause nobody was seeing me if
I wasn't showing up online, andit became to a point where I was
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just like I'm exhausted, idon't want to have to do this
anymore.
And so I slowed down.
And then I started reallyslowing down and taking a step
back and looking at my wholelife and realizing wait a minute
, i don't want to do thisanymore.
It wasn't that I didn't lovebusiness coaching.
I love helping my clients, ilove helping people work through
problems and all of thosethings.
I fell in love with marketingmyself on social media in order
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to sell my coaching Because notonly just from the exhaustion
and the burnout of having to beonline all the time, but also
because of the ethical andunethical things that I was
taught and was implementing andso on and so forth, that I was
just like you know what, formultiple different angles, this
just doesn't feel right anymore.
And so this is when, for me, iwas going through all of this
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that this job opportunity cameup.
My friend came to me.
She's like is there any chanceyou'd want to do this.
And at first my ego was likefuck, no, because I have a
business and that looks like I'ma failure if I take a part-time
job.
Like being honest, that's kindof how I felt.
But my soul knew that it wasright.
My soul knew it was right Andhere's so.
First of all, she asked me for afull-time position and I was
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like no, i can't do full-time.
I still have clients and thingslike that.
I still do want to have mybusiness.
So I turned that down.
And then she came back to meand said, hey, there's a
part-time one.
It'd be a couple days a week.
Do you think you'd want to trythat?
And I'm the type of personwhere I feel like, if something
comes up for me twice, like Ifeel like that's the universe,
kind of going like, hey, there'ssomething in this for you, like
you know what I mean.
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I've talked about the feather,the brick and the mack track.
This was the feather gettingreally loud and saying, hey,
here's this opportunity again.
And so at that point I decidedto take it because I could still
have my business and do that.
And that's literally whattaking that job and taking the
pressure off of myself toconstantly show up because I was
able to create some income.
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If I didn't sign a client thatweek or that month, even it was
okay, i still had some moneycoming in.
You know, and but not only that,it was like three days a week
where I'm not even on my socialmedia.
Like you'll see, there'llprobably be times where I have
the little blue checkmark on myInstagram or not the blue
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checkmark, the little blue crosson my circle because I haven't
posted anything in my storiesand I haven't posted anything on
my actual profile and I don'tsweat it anymore Where old
Shayna would have been like ohshit, i better get something on
there.
It's been a while, like youknow, i would have started
freaking out and start creatingtons of content and that, that,
that that I'm not saying thatthat's wrong.
I'm not saying that being onsocial media consistently is
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wrong, but I do feel that thereis a pressure that is put on
entrepreneurs to be onlineconsistently in order to be
relevant And it's unfortunatelyI believe that's unfortunately
partially true And for somepeople like myself, i could feel
it's starting to become anunhealthy relationship with
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social media and it wasaffecting me and my personality
and who I was and I needed thechange.
So if that means that I'm takingthis part time job as a way to
just recalibrate myself and kindof figure out what's next for
me, then that's what I'm doing.
And that actually brings me tothe second part of this
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conversation.
So there's the one thing withsocial media and how it can
definitely affect our mentalhealth.
But to this whole space of if Itake a job as an entrepreneur,
that means I'm failing, or if Itake a job as a network marketer
, that means that I'm not, i'mnot doing well in my business,
you know, especially in thenetwork marketing space, i know
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that as you, as you get higherup in the ranks and you start
making more money in networkmarketing, it does come across
as oh, if you're taking a job,what's wrong?
What's wrong Why?
why would you do that?
This is supposed to be freedom.
This business is supposed to be.
You know, give you time,freedom and be with your kids.
Why would you take a job?
if you're making all this moneyand have all this freedom, why
would you do that?
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And it gets frowned upon.
And because you know,especially in the network
marketing space, you know yousell the freedom as part of you
know, that's what we used to dois that this can give you an
income that will allow you toleave your job and be home with
your kids.
And then, when you take a jobas somebody who is in that space
, then that looks bad and you'resupposed to be setting an
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example for your team and you'resupposed to be.
You know, know, and this iswhat actually one of my past
network marketing friends, whenshe saw my post and when I was
talking about this, messaged meand Karam, if you're listening,
hi said this is a conversationthat needs to be happening in
the network marketing space,because there's a shame that
gets put out, or a shame thatpeople feel when they have to
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take a job or they want to takea job as something different in
their lives, but yet, as aleader in network marketing,
you're positioned as having thisfreedom and this thing.
So why would you want to dothat?
And I remember when I was in thenetwork marketing space and in
our team we had somebody who wasworking part-time at a hospital
, somebody who was working.
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I had a coaching business thatI was starting part-time outside
of my network marketing.
We were all doing thingsoutside of our network marketing
business And our leaderactually one of our top people
got us on a call and shamed usall for doing things outside of
our network marketing businessbecause we should be solely
focused on building ourbusinesses.
We're crazy not to be justsolely focused on doing this
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because of the money, the money,the money, and it's like fuck
that.
There are multiple reasons whypeople would take a job in
entrepreneurship, whether it'sMLM or coaching or whatever, and
not all of it has to do withmoney.
And I think this is the thingWe've got to have this
conversation and talk about thefact that it's okay to make
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choices for your life and yourbusiness that work for you,
regardless of what anybody elsethinks.
You can be a successfulentrepreneur and make millions
of dollars and decide you wantto work part-time at a fucking
salon if you want to, becauseyou like the atmosphere, you
like the people, it brings youjoy.
Or you can also have a businessthat maybe is struggling to
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make money because you're new,or maybe you've just you're
still figuring it out, or maybe,for whatever reason, you've
gone through a season ofstruggle and you can get a job
to help pay the bills whileyou're figuring out what's going
on in your business, and it'sokay, you shouldn't feel shame,
you shouldn't feel like youcan't tell anyone, you shouldn't
feel badly about that.
Why there is this stigma aroundpeople having jobs when they're
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entrepreneurs whether in MLM orin coaching, is beyond me.
It's nobody's business but minewhat I decide to do with my
life and my income and thechoices that I make.
So the fact that I felt thatlittle bit of shame when I
decided to take the job andstarted to tell people that I
was working in the salon, itwasn't the shame wasn't in the
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job.
The shame was in the fact thatI was doing something outside of
my business and that felt likemy business was a failure.
And by saying that I took thisjob was saying that I was a
failure and had to take a job.
But where did that come from?
Like I didn't just make that up.
There is that stigma in theentrepreneurship industry that
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you know, when you're anentrepreneur, you're your own
boss, you're this free bird thatgets to just do all these
things and make all this moneyAnd it's an amazing thing, but
it's also fucking hard.
And there are also seasons Andthere are times where maybe your
business is successful andyou're making lots of money, but
then there are months whereyour business isn't successful
and it's not making money.
I don't care who you are.
There are seasons in yourbusiness And sometimes those
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things require you to get a jobor to do something different.
Or sometimes it's your mentalhealth, and you're doing this
because you need a break, youwant something different, You're
tired of it, you don't want todo it anymore, for whatever
reason, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
You get to make choices in yourbusiness and do what you want
to do because it feels right foryou, and we don't need to one.
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We shouldn't look badly at otherpeople who decide to do that
and think, oh wow, they must be,they must not be doing well,
and even if they aren't doingwell, we should be like, hey,
look at them, go.
Their business is strugglingand they're doing what they need
to do to get through.
Good for them, good for them.
No one should have to strugglein their business.
No one should have to struggle,and I said this in my stories.
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I was in my Instagram storieswhere I was saying that if you
try and hang on and you try andjust do your business and, even
though you're feeling theoverwhelm, you're feeling the
anxiety, you're feeling theburnout from social media,
you're feeling the stressbecause you need to pay your
bills and you're not finding theclients, and you're in that
energy of stress and anxiety,you're not making good decisions
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for your business.
It's not helping your businessgrowth.
But by taking a job or doingwhatever you need to do in order
to make the ends meet so thatyou can feel less stress, less
pressure, less anxiety and youcan actually think clearly,
you're going to make betterdecisions overall for your
business and your business willend up growing because of it.
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And that's exactly whathappened to me The minute I took
that job and I stopped doingbusiness coaching and I told my
audience that I was now doingKajabi websites and branding and
helping people build theirplatforms.
And that's what I was doing.
That's all I said.
I didn't do anything else.
I had people starting to cometo me saying, hey, i need a
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quote for a Kajabi site.
Oh, hey, i have some salespages, can you quote these?
Oh, hey, i need new brandingand I want to revamp my site.
Can you quote me on this?
And I just started to likebecause I was able to think
clearly about what I actuallywanted to do and I was able to
create some content here andthere for my Instagram that
showed some of the websitesdesigns that I had done.
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I just did a few videos hereand there And there wasn't this
extreme ugly pressure.
It was light, it was airy, itwas fun.
I posted, it felt good.
People reached out and likeit's like I wasn't trying to
force anything anymore, it wasjust.
It just was.
It just was.
And when you give yourself thespace, by doing what you need to
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do in order to make the endsmeet, so that you can actually
think clearly about what it isthat you actually even want and
make to make good decisions foryour business, maybe you decide
you don't want to do thatbusiness anymore.
Maybe you decide you want to dosomething else.
I don't know what's going tocome through when you release
that pressure off of yourself,but it will help you make better
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decisions for your businessoverall.
I promise you that And that'swhy people have noticed a shift
in my energy.
It's not because, financially,all of a sudden it's raining
money on me or anything likethat.
It's because I just feel lesspressure, i feel less anxiety, i
feel like I wake up and I'mlike I fucking love going to the
salon.
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Those women make me so happy,the people that we meet, the
clients that you know.
When I'm telling you right now,there's like such a joy for me
when a client calls and theywant to get in to get their hair
done in the next day or two,which we all know is technically
almost impossible becausesalons are so busy And then you
find them an appointment andthey're like, oh my gosh, I'm so
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excited.
Thank you, you know I'm, youknow, like you make them happy
and that just brings me joy andit's like so much fun.
And so I would never havethought that this is something
that I would have been doing,but it brings me joy And you
know what, at the end of the day, that's what matters.
You know, waking up every dayand just loving what you're
doing.
And I'm not saying that there'snot going to be stressful times.
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I'm not saying that there's notgoing to be hard times in
whatever you do.
There's always going to be that.
But even in the hard times I'mstill a happier person.
There's still less pressure,there's still less of the things
that I used to deal with And Idon't know, i just I just think
that if you're soul, you're andyou'll know.
Like, for me, i knew, like Ididn't know what I needed to do,
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i just knew I needed somethingdifferent and I was open to what
was coming to me.
And I think that's the biggestthing you know in your gut.
If you're feeling this stressof social media and your
business month after month andyou're starting to feel like
maybe this isn't you know,you're starting to get that
little whisper in your ear thatmaybe there's something
different for you or maybethere's, you know, it's just
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there's something that needs tochange.
Be open to what gets presentedto you, because that's that's
what happened with me.
I was open to what was comingto me, even though the first
time it came to me I was kind oflike no.
But then the second time I waslike I read this book called the
surrender project by the guywho wrote untethered soul I
forget his name off the top ofmy head, but Michael Singer and
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it's called the surrenderproject.
And that was ringing through mymind when this opportunity with
the salon came up and it waslike just surrender This is
coming up again surrender to itand just see where it goes.
Like worst case.
You don't like it, you quitIt's.
You don't have to stay right,You've got options.
And so I just surrendered towhat was coming in front of me.
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And here we are, and you knowwhat, not everybody is got the
same opportunities and things asme.
I get that.
But find something, anythingthat can help you alleviate some
of the pressure, to help you,just whatever it is that you
need to do.
You know, just be open toopportunities and just see where
it takes you.
You know, and, like I said, inever would have thought I would
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been working a front desk atthis amazing salon, but here we
are And I absolutely love it.
So, and there should be no shamein that, whether you're a
network marketer or you're anentrepreneur, or your coach or
whatever it is, you do what haswhat you do what's right for you
, and don't let the stigmas andall of the social conditionings
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in society convince you or swayyou to do something that just
doesn't feel right becauseyou're worried about what other
people are going to think Likewe got to let go of that, and I
don't know if this comes withage the older I get, the less I
give a shit.
What other people think, idon't know, but it is definitely
.
You know.
If I could give you one pieceof advice out of this whole
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mumble jumble mess that I'mtalking about right now, it is
to follow your, follow yourinner calling, follow the little
voice inside that's deep, thatis telling you, and be open to
what gets put in front of youBecause, honestly, i truly
believe you can't force youroutcomes.
Your outcomes are meant to flowthrough you, and that's one of
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the things he talks about in thesurrender experiment.
I think it's called thesurrender experiment or the
surrender project, i can'tremember, but it's the surrender
something by Michael Singer Andhow we are.
If we just allow the universe towork through us, it will lead
us to amazing and incredibleopportunities.
But if we're always trying toforce the outcome and make a
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certain outcome happen, then youare blocking opportunities for
fulfillment and joy andhappiness.
And that's what I was doingwith business coaching.
I had it in my mind that I wasgoing to be a successful
business coach, a seven figure,100 K month business coach.
That was going to be me, withthe 100 million followers on
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Instagram and I was just goingto rock it out and have millions
of clients and all the things,and that was what my brain or my
ego wanted.
But it wasn't until I let go ofthat.
This other stuff startedflowing in And, even though it
is absolutely, completely theopposite of where I was going
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before I have been, i am wayhappier.
I am way more satisfied andfulfilled And actually more
clients are coming to me throughmy websites and my design work
than I was getting as a coaching.
As a coaching client Like, myrevenue in the last two months
has outdone the revenue that Iwas making as a coach for the
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last six months.
So I'm just allowing and itfeels really good, and so you
need to quit something, startsomething, take a job to you
know, whatever it is, followyour heart, don't worry about
what other people think.
Just do what feels right foryou.
That's the right way.
That's the right way.
And if it's the wrong way, ifyou make a decision and it
doesn't work out, it's still theright way, because that not
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working out is leading you tothe next thing And you couldn't
have gotten to that next thingunless that thing didn't work
out And you, just, you know, youjust have to get used to that.
If you're, if you're, just justtake a deep breath and release
and do the thing that feelsright for you, without worrying
about what society or anyoneelse is going to think, and I
promise you it'll lead you togreat places.
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So that is all I wanted to say.
I'm sure there's more, butthat's just what came through.
So, no shame, no stories.
Do what's right for you And youknow, like I say, no, no one's
got time for, no one's got timefor for any other bullshit.
So, all right, everyone, that'sit for me.
Thank you so much for listening.
We'll talk soon.
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Bye for now.
Hey guys, welcome back to How It's Really Going
with Sheena Rekker, and this isa podcast episode that has been
requested multiple times fromyou guys, after I did my recent
post on Instagram where I talkedabout two parts.
One was the stresses of socialmedia and entrepreneurship, and
the second part was where Italked about how getting a
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part-time job or even afull-time job to help support
you while you are being anentrepreneur and building your
business, why that is notsomething to feel shame about,
and how the industry andentrepreneurship and especially
in coaching and in networkmarketing as well how that is
actually looked down upon as asign of you're not successful,
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you're not good enough, you'renot whatever, and I know that to
be true because, one, i feltthat myself, but two, since
posting that, multiple peoplehave messaged me saying this is
a conversation that needs to behad.
I have felt this too.
Please do an episode about that, talk about this stuff, because
it needs to be said, and sothis is why I turned on my mic
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today and I'm sharing with youguys And I don't even know where
to begin with this, but let'sjust dive into it The reason I
did the post.
it was actually a clip from mylast podcast episode where I was
saying how much happier I amnow that I have this part-time
job, now that I'm on socialmedia so much less, now that I
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am not thinking about my nextsale so much and all that kind
of stuff, and I'm a much happierperson because of all of that.
And it took me stepping awayfrom my coaching business and
stepping away from social mediaand stepping away from all of
that to realize the unhealthyconnection that I had with
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social media and being anentrepreneur And that when I was
offered this job at thebeginning, i was very much like
a hell.
No, i'm an entrepreneur.
I am quote unquote successful.
I shouldn't need a job.
But for me, my soul was saying,yes, take this job.
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One, you need the incomebecause my business has been
struggling.
And two, you need to get awayfrom social media.
You need something that you canrely on for some steady income,
but that doesn't require you toshow up on social media to find
your next client or to findyour next paycheck.
And so for me, i took the jobbecause I knew somewhere deep
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inside that that's just what Ineeded to do, and even though it
was a little bit hard on my ego, not because there's any shame
in the job that I took.
I love what I'm doing.
It's absolutely fun, it'samazing Sure income wise is it
where I was hourly wage as acoach or even as a graphic
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designer?
No, but to me it didn't reallymatter so much.
It was more about the mentalhealth piece of taking this job
and stepping away from thesethings and having a little bit
of secure income than it wasabout the money, and I've talked
about that in previous podcastepisodes as well as how doing
things for the money is neverreally good Doing things.
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Sure, we need to make money, weneed to put a roof over our
heads and have food and all ofthose things But I wasn't taking
this job necessarily for themoney.
The money is great, it's a nicelittle added bonus at the end
of the week kind of thing but itwasn't the main reason why I
took the job.
The main reason why I took thejob was because I needed
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something different in my lifethat I could rely on for income
but also didn't require me tohave to be on social media.
So there's two parts to thisconversation.
One is this whole piece ofentrepreneurship, online
entrepreneurship and relying onsocial media to find your next
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client.
I know a lot of us with socialmedia.
It is great.
Social media has changed theonline business game.
It's changed entrepreneurship.
We can be connected to millionsand millions of people on a
free platform and share valueand find clients without having
to pay for ads.
Yes, you can pay for ads andget that result quicker, but you
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don't have to.
You don't have to have a bricksand mortar business.
You don't have to have, I'mgoing to say the yellow pages
For those of us who are oldenough to know what the yellow
pages are.
But you don't have to put an adin the yellow pages.
It's basically free marketingfor businesses, and so it's
great.
I have been so blessed thanks tosocial media.
It's helped me build both backwhen I was doing my network
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marketing business and mycoaching business.
I wouldn't have created andgenerated the income and the
client base that I have if itwasn't for social media.
So it definitely has thepositives and it's there.
But there is also the duality,the dark side of social media,
which is now not.
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Everybody's experience is goingto be the same as mine.
I get that, but in my experience, i ended up having this
dependency on social media.
It was like I needed to be onsocial media to feel like I was
relevant.
I needed to show up on socialmedia to feel like I was making
progress in my business.
If I didn't show up on socialmedia, if I wasn't sharing value
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, if I wasn't creating my nextpost, if I wasn't thinking about
what I was posting next, i wasfeeling behind.
I was feeling like somethinglike I was missing out and that
I was going to you know like,where is my next client going to
come from?
Oh, it's going to come fromsocial media.
So I better keep showing upthere in order to create an
income, so I can pay my bills.
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And so it became the sort oflike weird vicious circle of me
feeling like constantly needingto be with my phone in my hand
and sharing some sort of valueor sharing some sort of piece of
content, and being in front ofpeople in order to Feel like I
was doing enough in order tofind the clients, in order to
get the the next You know personto sign up, in order to receive
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the income, in order to be ableto pay the bills.
Like it was just became this,like you know, this constant
Need of of having to show up inorder to create success, and
That's where my mental healthstarted, you know, definitely
taking a turn, and you know Ihave talked about a lot of
different things in the pastcouple of months about, you know
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, me and the shifts that I'vehad, and you know there's been
the perimenopause stuff which Iknow has played a role in my
Moods and my you know a lot ofdifferent things and my thoughts
and in my mental health.
But I know that, yes, that hasdefinitely impacted a lot of you
know, things that I've beenchanging.
It's because of that I've beenmaking changes in my life
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health-wise, but since takingthis part-time job and Closing
down the coaching and steppingaway from social media To the
degree that I was before I leftcoaching, it's been in that
stepping away, taking this joband taking that time away from
it that has made me reallyrealize how much that was
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actually Hurting me.
And so, in this post that I did, i talked about how taking this
part-time job actually saved me, because I Was feeling this,
you know, when I was, when I wasdoing my coaching business and
I was on social media all thetime I was a miser.
I was miserable, i was bitchy, iwas tired, i was anxious.
It was playing out my familylife.
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It was playing out, you know,with between me and my husband.
It was just playing.
It was playing out my business,constantly feeling stressed,
you know, worrying about my nextpaycheck, my next client, the
next person that was going tosign up So that I could pay my
bills.
Because I was solely relying onmy coaching business, like I
had no real other income.
I did have, i do still create,i do still have income from my
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network marketing business.
Even though I don't activelywork it, i was still.
I still get a monthly paycheckfrom them.
However, that monthly paycheckhas diminished quite a bit over
the years.
So it's about one-tenth of whatit was When I was in my prime
with that business.
So you know feeling the stressof that getting smaller and
smaller each month, plus thenthe pressure of having to show
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up all The time to find yourlike.
I was in this vicious cycle andit was Like crushing my soul
and I knew that.
I can see that now because I'vestepped away from it And since
stepping away from it and takingthis job, i've had multiple
people reach out To say to melike, you seem so different,
your energy is different, youseem so much happier.
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Like nothing financially hasreally changed in my life.
It's not like I'm all of asudden making you know millions
of dollars by because of thisjob, but that's because it's not
the money that's changingthings.
For me It's the, the, the lackof, of, or the, not the lack of,
but the, the, the less stressin my life, the I'm not thinking
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about it as much.
I'm not having.
Like you guys can go on mysocial media.
Sure, i still show up there.
I still have in my own businessI do websites and logos and
things like that forentrepreneurs, but it I don't
feel the need to show up on mysocial media every single day in
order to find those clients.
Those people are now juststarting to come to me through
referrals.
Or if I do post a website on mysite, they see it and they like
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it and they want to get a quote.
You know, it's just sort ofhappening more naturally.
It's not forced at all.
And Not only that, like I, justif I show up and post, i show up
and post.
If I don't, i don't like Idon't care, i just I've, for
whatever reason Probably becauseI'm not relying on my business
coaching solely to pay my bills.
I don't feel this incessantneed to show up on social media
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all the time in order to eat.
You know what I mean, and Thathas been so good for me.
Like I feel like a differentperson, like I feel so much
happier in my life because I amnot Putting that constant
pressure on myself to show upand again.
Maybe this is a me thing, maybeI'm the way I'm doing, it is
fucked up and it's a problemthat only I have.
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But I don't think that's thetruth, because so many of you
have reached out to me sayingyou feel the same way.
And I do believe that is becausein the business coaching space,
we are taught that we have toshow up consistently.
We have to, you know, takemassive responsibility for our
businesses and do the thingsthat we need to do and show up
on social media and give valueand be consistent and all of
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those things, and build thebrand.
And I mean I've taught thosethings myself because I've been
taught those things and I'vetaught those things to my
clients and There is some truthto it for sure, the ones who are
Grinding it out and showing upand you know, there every day
and and constantly in theirstories and doing all the things
, for sure they're there, theyare getting ahead because
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they're constantly in people'sfaces and I mean, yes, you have
to still have good value andthings like that.
You can show up every day andbe shitty and not gain business,
but so you still have to begood at what you do and you have
to have a valuable message.
But it's the consistency, right, that that tends to build The
brand, that tends to bring inthe clients, because more and
more people are seeing you,right?
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so if you're in a space like Iwas, where I Didn't want to do
that anymore, like I just didn'twant to have to show up anymore
every day, but it feels like inthe coaching space specifically
, if you're not willing to playthat game, then you're losing.
You're not gonna have, like Ican tell you.
There have been times where I'veslowed down on my social media
because I was exhausted andburnt out And I could see the
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reflection in my business, right, if I wasn't launching a
program, if I wasn't on theretalking about signing up for my
masterclass or, you know,joining my next, you know the
Next client attractor program,or my next private coaching spot
or whatever it was.
Then I wasn't making salesbecause nobody was seeing me if
I wasn't showing up online, andit became to a point where I was
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just like I'm exhausted, idon't want to have to do this
anymore.
And so I slowed down.
And then I started reallyslowing down and taking a step
back and looking at my wholelife and realizing wait a minute
, i don't want to do thisanymore.
It wasn't that I didn't lovebusiness coaching.
I love helping my clients, ilove helping people work through
problems and all of thosethings.
I fell in love with marketingmyself on social media in order
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to sell my coaching Because notonly just from the exhaustion
and the burnout of having to beonline all the time, but also
because of the ethical andunethical things that I was
taught and was implementing andso on and so forth, that I was
just like you know what, formultiple different angles, this
just doesn't feel right anymore.
And so this is when, for me, iwas going through all of this
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that this job opportunity cameup.
My friend came to me.
She's like is there any chanceyou'd want to do this.
And at first my ego was likefuck, no, because I have a
business and that looks like I'ma failure if I take a part-time
job.
Like being honest, that's kindof how I felt.
But my soul knew that it wasright.
My soul knew it was right Andhere's so.
First of all, she asked me for afull-time position and I was
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like no, i can't do full-time.
I still have clients and thingslike that.
I still do want to have mybusiness.
So I turned that down.
And then she came back to meand said, hey, there's a
part-time one.
It'd be a couple days a week.
Do you think you'd want to trythat?
And I'm the type of personwhere I feel like, if something
comes up for me twice, like Ifeel like that's the universe,
kind of going like, hey, there'ssomething in this for you, like
you know what I mean.
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I've talked about the feather,the brick and the mack track.
This was the feather gettingreally loud and saying, hey,
here's this opportunity again.
And so at that point I decidedto take it because I could still
have my business and do that.
And that's literally whattaking that job and taking the
pressure off of myself toconstantly show up because I was
able to create some income.
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If I didn't sign a client thatweek or that month, even it was
okay, i still had some moneycoming in.
You know, and but not only that,it was like three days a week
where I'm not even on my socialmedia.
Like you'll see, there'llprobably be times where I have
the little blue checkmark on myInstagram or not the blue
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checkmark, the little blue crosson my circle because I haven't
posted anything in my storiesand I haven't posted anything on
my actual profile and I don'tsweat it anymore Where old
Shayna would have been like ohshit, i better get something on
there.
It's been a while, like youknow, i would have started
freaking out and start creatingtons of content and that, that,
that that I'm not saying thatthat's wrong.
I'm not saying that being onsocial media consistently is
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wrong, but I do feel that thereis a pressure that is put on
entrepreneurs to be onlineconsistently in order to be
relevant And it's unfortunatelyI believe that's unfortunately
partially true And for somepeople like myself, i could feel
it's starting to become anunhealthy relationship with
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social media and it wasaffecting me and my personality
and who I was and I needed thechange.
So if that means that I'm takingthis part time job as a way to
just recalibrate myself and kindof figure out what's next for
me, then that's what I'm doing.
And that actually brings me tothe second part of this
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conversation.
So there's the one thing withsocial media and how it can
definitely affect our mentalhealth.
But to this whole space of if Itake a job as an entrepreneur,
that means I'm failing, or if Itake a job as a network marketer
, that means that I'm not, i'mnot doing well in my business,
you know, especially in thenetwork marketing space, i know
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that as you, as you get higherup in the ranks and you start
making more money in networkmarketing, it does come across
as oh, if you're taking a job,what's wrong?
What's wrong Why?
why would you do that?
This is supposed to be freedom.
This business is supposed to be.
You know, give you time,freedom and be with your kids.
Why would you take a job?
if you're making all this moneyand have all this freedom, why
would you do that?
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And it gets frowned upon.
And because you know,especially in the network
marketing space, you know yousell the freedom as part of you
know, that's what we used to dois that this can give you an
income that will allow you toleave your job and be home with
your kids.
And then, when you take a jobas somebody who is in that space
, then that looks bad and you'resupposed to be setting an
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example for your team and you'resupposed to be.
You know, know, and this iswhat actually one of my past
network marketing friends, whenshe saw my post and when I was
talking about this, messaged meand Karam, if you're listening,
hi said this is a conversationthat needs to be happening in
the network marketing space,because there's a shame that
gets put out, or a shame thatpeople feel when they have to
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take a job or they want to takea job as something different in
their lives, but yet, as aleader in network marketing,
you're positioned as having thisfreedom and this thing.
So why would you want to dothat?
And I remember when I was in thenetwork marketing space and in
our team we had somebody who wasworking part-time at a hospital
, somebody who was working.
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I had a coaching business thatI was starting part-time outside
of my network marketing.
We were all doing thingsoutside of our network marketing
business And our leaderactually one of our top people
got us on a call and shamed usall for doing things outside of
our network marketing businessbecause we should be solely
focused on building ourbusinesses.
We're crazy not to be justsolely focused on doing this
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because of the money, the money,the money, and it's like fuck
that.
There are multiple reasons whypeople would take a job in
entrepreneurship, whether it'sMLM or coaching or whatever, and
not all of it has to do withmoney.
And I think this is the thingWe've got to have this
conversation and talk about thefact that it's okay to make
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choices for your life and yourbusiness that work for you,
regardless of what anybody elsethinks.
You can be a successfulentrepreneur and make millions
of dollars and decide you wantto work part-time at a fucking
salon if you want to, becauseyou like the atmosphere, you
like the people, it brings youjoy.
Or you can also have a businessthat maybe is struggling to
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make money because you're new,or maybe you've just you're
still figuring it out, or maybe,for whatever reason, you've
gone through a season ofstruggle and you can get a job
to help pay the bills whileyou're figuring out what's going
on in your business, and it'sokay, you shouldn't feel shame,
you shouldn't feel like youcan't tell anyone, you shouldn't
feel badly about that.
Why there is this stigma aroundpeople having jobs when they're
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entrepreneurs whether in MLM orin coaching, is beyond me.
It's nobody's business but minewhat I decide to do with my
life and my income and thechoices that I make.
So the fact that I felt thatlittle bit of shame when I
decided to take the job andstarted to tell people that I
was working in the salon, itwasn't the shame wasn't in the
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job.
The shame was in the fact thatI was doing something outside of
my business and that felt likemy business was a failure.
And by saying that I took thisjob was saying that I was a
failure and had to take a job.
But where did that come from?
Like I didn't just make that up.
There is that stigma in theentrepreneurship industry that
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you know, when you're anentrepreneur, you're your own
boss, you're this free bird thatgets to just do all these
things and make all this moneyAnd it's an amazing thing, but
it's also fucking hard.
And there are also seasons Andthere are times where maybe your
business is successful andyou're making lots of money, but
then there are months whereyour business isn't successful
and it's not making money.
I don't care who you are.
There are seasons in yourbusiness And sometimes those
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things require you to get a jobor to do something different.
Or sometimes it's your mentalhealth, and you're doing this
because you need a break, youwant something different, You're
tired of it, you don't want todo it anymore, for whatever
reason, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
You get to make choices in yourbusiness and do what you want
to do because it feels right foryou, and we don't need to one.
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We shouldn't look badly at otherpeople who decide to do that
and think, oh wow, they must be,they must not be doing well,
and even if they aren't doingwell, we should be like, hey,
look at them, go.
Their business is strugglingand they're doing what they need
to do to get through.
Good for them, good for them.
No one should have to strugglein their business.
No one should have to struggle,and I said this in my stories.
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I was in my Instagram storieswhere I was saying that if you
try and hang on and you try andjust do your business and, even
though you're feeling theoverwhelm, you're feeling the
anxiety, you're feeling theburnout from social media,
you're feeling the stressbecause you need to pay your
bills and you're not finding theclients, and you're in that
energy of stress and anxiety,you're not making good decisions
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for your business.
It's not helping your businessgrowth.
But by taking a job or doingwhatever you need to do in order
to make the ends meet so thatyou can feel less stress, less
pressure, less anxiety and youcan actually think clearly,
you're going to make betterdecisions overall for your
business and your business willend up growing because of it.
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And that's exactly whathappened to me The minute I took
that job and I stopped doingbusiness coaching and I told my
audience that I was now doingKajabi websites and branding and
helping people build theirplatforms.
And that's what I was doing.
That's all I said.
I didn't do anything else.
I had people starting to cometo me saying, hey, i need a
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quote for a Kajabi site.
Oh, hey, i have some salespages, can you quote these?
Oh, hey, i need new brandingand I want to revamp my site.
Can you quote me on this?
And I just started to likebecause I was able to think
clearly about what I actuallywanted to do and I was able to
create some content here andthere for my Instagram that
showed some of the websitesdesigns that I had done.
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I just did a few videos hereand there And there wasn't this
extreme ugly pressure.
It was light, it was airy, itwas fun.
I posted, it felt good.
People reached out and likeit's like I wasn't trying to
force anything anymore, it wasjust.
It just was.
It just was.
And when you give yourself thespace, by doing what you need to
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do in order to make the endsmeet, so that you can actually
think clearly about what it isthat you actually even want and
make to make good decisions foryour business, maybe you decide
you don't want to do thatbusiness anymore.
Maybe you decide you want to dosomething else.
I don't know what's going tocome through when you release
that pressure off of yourself,but it will help you make better
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decisions for your businessoverall.
I promise you that And that'swhy people have noticed a shift
in my energy.
It's not because, financially,all of a sudden it's raining
money on me or anything likethat.
It's because I just feel lesspressure, i feel less anxiety, i
feel like I wake up and I'mlike I fucking love going to the
salon.
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Those women make me so happy,the people that we meet, the
clients that you know.
When I'm telling you right now,there's like such a joy for me
when a client calls and theywant to get in to get their hair
done in the next day or two,which we all know is technically
almost impossible becausesalons are so busy And then you
find them an appointment andthey're like, oh my gosh, I'm so
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excited.
Thank you, you know I'm, youknow, like you make them happy
and that just brings me joy andit's like so much fun.
And so I would never havethought that this is something
that I would have been doing,but it brings me joy And you
know what, at the end of the day, that's what matters.
You know, waking up every dayand just loving what you're
doing.
And I'm not saying that there'snot going to be stressful times.
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I'm not saying that there's notgoing to be hard times in
whatever you do.
There's always going to be that.
But even in the hard times I'mstill a happier person.
There's still less pressure,there's still less of the things
that I used to deal with And Idon't know, i just I just think
that if you're soul, you're andyou'll know.
Like, for me, i knew, like Ididn't know what I needed to do,
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i just knew I needed somethingdifferent and I was open to what
was coming to me.
And I think that's the biggestthing you know in your gut.
If you're feeling this stressof social media and your
business month after month andyou're starting to feel like
maybe this isn't you know,you're starting to get that
little whisper in your ear thatmaybe there's something
different for you or maybethere's, you know, it's just
(24:08):
there's something that needs tochange.
Be open to what gets presentedto you, because that's that's
what happened with me.
I was open to what was comingto me, even though the first
time it came to me I was kind oflike no.
But then the second time I waslike I read this book called the
surrender project by the guywho wrote untethered soul I
forget his name off the top ofmy head, but Michael Singer and
(24:31):
it's called the surrenderproject.
And that was ringing through mymind when this opportunity with
the salon came up and it waslike just surrender This is
coming up again surrender to itand just see where it goes.
Like worst case.
You don't like it, you quitIt's.
You don't have to stay right,You've got options.
And so I just surrendered towhat was coming in front of me.
(24:52):
And here we are, and you knowwhat, not everybody is got the
same opportunities and things asme.
I get that.
But find something, anythingthat can help you alleviate some
of the pressure, to help you,just whatever it is that you
need to do.
You know, just be open toopportunities and just see where
it takes you.
You know, and, like I said, inever would have thought I would
(25:15):
been working a front desk atthis amazing salon, but here we
are And I absolutely love it.
So, and there should be no shamein that, whether you're a
network marketer or you're anentrepreneur, or your coach or
whatever it is, you do what haswhat you do what's right for you
, and don't let the stigmas andall of the social conditionings
(25:36):
in society convince you or swayyou to do something that just
doesn't feel right becauseyou're worried about what other
people are going to think Likewe got to let go of that, and I
don't know if this comes withage the older I get, the less I
give a shit.
What other people think, idon't know, but it is definitely
.
You know.
If I could give you one pieceof advice out of this whole
(25:57):
mumble jumble mess that I'mtalking about right now, it is
to follow your, follow yourinner calling, follow the little
voice inside that's deep, thatis telling you, and be open to
what gets put in front of youBecause, honestly, i truly
believe you can't force youroutcomes.
Your outcomes are meant to flowthrough you, and that's one of
(26:19):
the things he talks about in thesurrender experiment.
I think it's called thesurrender experiment or the
surrender project, i can'tremember, but it's the surrender
something by Michael Singer Andhow we are.
If we just allow the universe towork through us, it will lead
us to amazing and incredibleopportunities.
But if we're always trying toforce the outcome and make a
(26:41):
certain outcome happen, then youare blocking opportunities for
fulfillment and joy andhappiness.
And that's what I was doingwith business coaching.
I had it in my mind that I wasgoing to be a successful
business coach, a seven figure,100 K month business coach.
That was going to be me, withthe 100 million followers on
(27:02):
Instagram and I was just goingto rock it out and have millions
of clients and all the things,and that was what my brain or my
ego wanted.
But it wasn't until I let go ofthat.
This other stuff startedflowing in And, even though it
is absolutely, completely theopposite of where I was going
(27:24):
before I have been, i am wayhappier.
I am way more satisfied andfulfilled And actually more
clients are coming to me throughmy websites and my design work
than I was getting as a coaching.
As a coaching client Like, myrevenue in the last two months
has outdone the revenue that Iwas making as a coach for the
(27:45):
last six months.
So I'm just allowing and itfeels really good, and so you
need to quit something, startsomething, take a job to you
know, whatever it is, followyour heart, don't worry about
what other people think.
Just do what feels right foryou.
That's the right way.
That's the right way.
And if it's the wrong way, ifyou make a decision and it
doesn't work out, it's still theright way, because that not
(28:08):
working out is leading you tothe next thing And you couldn't
have gotten to that next thingunless that thing didn't work
out And you, just, you know, youjust have to get used to that.
If you're, if you're, just justtake a deep breath and release
and do the thing that feelsright for you, without worrying
about what society or anyoneelse is going to think, and I
promise you it'll lead you togreat places.
(28:29):
So that is all I wanted to say.
I'm sure there's more, butthat's just what came through.
So, no shame, no stories.
Do what's right for you And youknow, like I say, no, no one's
got time for, no one's got timefor for any other bullshit.
So, all right, everyone, that'sit for me.
Thank you so much for listening.
We'll talk soon.
(28:49):
Bye for now.
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