January 12, 2023 • 50 mins
Max and Wolf are in the locker room for the next to last time this season, as they continue to give final thoughts and evaluations on the year that was for the Steelers. They're joined by Gerry Dulac of the Post-Gazette for his thoughts on what lies ahead this offseason.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is in the Locker Room with Wolf and Starks
on ESPN Pittsburgh against Steelers Nation Radio, presented by your
neighborhood Forward Store. The F one fifty is the official
truck of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Hey man, you never know
if they want me back or not. I don't take
that for granted. UM. It's even this a long time
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that the first time I've never heard you say that.
I say it every year. UM. You just I'd like
to be back, but you never know. UM, what the
game's been. It's the business side of the thing. It's
it's NFL not for long. UM. I want to be back.
I would like to be a Pittsburgh Steelers and still
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but you don't know what's going on in the future.
That Cam is the same type of guy that will
put a you know, a tape job with his with
his last name on the front of his helmet in
a training camp like setting. Um. That that's that's what
makes him who he is. UM. He takes none of
this for granted. UM. And that's just an expression of that,
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just like when he puts his last name on his
helmet UM in a training camp like setting. Um. He
he is special. Because he has a special approach because
he is legitimately humble and hard working, and he takes
none of this for granted, and so that's probably what
that was, you know, Max there there. I can't get
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over the humility and the humbleness of Cam's attitude, which
is always something that I don't know, it just rocks
me because you take a look at around around the league.
You just watch some of the headlines. Michael Parsons, for instance,
he blasts the NFLPA his first All Pro team after
being left off the Ross do and so forth, and
I just think, you know, do you really need to
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do that? You know, I mean, and then there's other
stuff where you guys are saying, you know, I just
I find it very ingratiating when Cam talks about that
humble attitude, having the servitude, being a leader, but also
being a you know, a teammate with accountability and everything.
I just love all that stuff because it's so he
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he lives it out in front of us. No, you're
absolutely right. I mean, It's it's one thing to sit
there and talk and complain, right like um, like Michael
Parsons did. It's another thing to go and just dominate
a game after the results are out and you find
out you're an alternator in the Pro Bowl. You know
what I'm saying, like, go let your actions like like
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thank you, Go show them that you're wrong as opposed
to complaining about it. You know. That's that's that's a
great idea. I wish I thought of that. You know,
just just go out there, beat the living crap out
of the guy in front of you and be like, Okay,
so I guess this is what backups do. Huh, all right,
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all right, I'm gonna just beat me, Just beat me,
you know. Uh. And as two guys who are on
the all alternate team that took pride in just just
gouging people's faces in you know, it's just you know,
different strokes for different folks, you know that. Just think
about that. That's a cowboy mentality versus Steelers mentality. Dig
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dig dig dig Digg. I lasted all the five minutes
this morning. Well we got right to the cutting board. There,
my friend, there it is there. It is no no
sugarcoating this one. Look, Jim Kim's gonna be thirty four
in May. By the way, I'm a May baby two.
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You know, oh look at that. My wife's a may baby.
Are you a Taurists as well? I don't even know
what that is, right, No, it is as well. Uh,
great great car by Ford. Uh don't. I don't put
it past him. Just listen, Robot Coop drove drove a
Ford Tourist back in the day. Yeah, I drove the
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s h O edition. Yeah, the cop the cop version. Sorry,
um no, um, I was gonna ask, when's your birthday?
In May? Okay? So you're just over the cusp Okay,
so you are, am I driving a Taurus. You're still
you know, you're looking at a Taurus the outside looking
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in at a Taurus. Yeah, I know, we are, we are,
we are. But but no, But furthermore to your point,
I think you know it's a it's certain just certain mentalities,
and I think the Steelers have a great way of
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identifying that talent more often than not. I mean, nobody's
gonna be a perf. But you think about the mentality
of guys who played for the Steelers over this vast
expanse right, you're looking at almost you know, we're we're
getting we're getting to almost ninety years with this season
will be the ninetieth season, I believe is it let three? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
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we gotta be yeah exactly, not just just minus ten
minus ten from that sounds left over, that sounds like um.
But but I I think when you look at that
and you think about it, I mean, there there, there
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are their own unique individuals, but for the most part,
when you think of the totality of the sum of
the personalities, they're all pretty consistent with each other, and
they all get along. And I think you have to
have a certain level of humility to be here. You know,
the cock over cocky and confident and feeling constantly disparaged.
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You know that that that personality trait doesn't really go
well in this type of locker room. You know, the
woe is me. I mean, there's no fainting counts in
the locker room last time I checked. Um Oh, I've
been wrong. I've been wrong. Did anyone ever got a
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flair for the dramatic? My friend? You know, I I
love I love inflections and voice and and and everything
that sarcasm. Listen, I've never been accused of being shy.
Let's just put it that, absolutely not ever since I've
known you. No, no analytical maybe you know a little
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bit overly. Uh. You know, you're thoughtful in all your responses.
I am. I'm thoughtful, and I feel like, you know,
it's thorough. It's thorough some people. Some people call it,
you know, pointing and very poking. But I feel like
I feel like it's just thorough and thoughtful. You know,
sometimes you poke the bear out of fun. It's always good. Yeah,
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some sometimes you need to see the teeth to make
sure they're healthy. You know. That's it. That's it, that's all.
That's all it is. Do you know whopie would I'd
come home from the season right, I'd come home after
season over. You know, we played, you know all you
the whole season, long drive home, go see mom for
for a week, you know, stay there and the first
thing should walk up She grab my jaw and then
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open your mouth and let me see those teeth. I
put a lot of money into those teeth growing up.
She said, you don't wear your mouth card. Ye listen,
it's important to wear the mouth card. Will I just
you know, I got rid of that my first or
second year in the league, when we were in Dallas
and it was so hot, it was like my mouth
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guard was melt Jean into the upper cleft of my
my mouth, the upper ballot, and I remember there was
a time out and it just like it felt like
it was just melting in there, and I just un
buckling my chin strap, pushed my helmet back, tilted my
head back also, and I just spit it out somewhere
on the Texas Stadium turf and I never wore one again. Yeah,
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it was like that, So you know what I thought
like this? Yeah, yeah, like that, you found like you
gotta lift it. Will you talk with him out? Yes,
that's I'm talking like Sylvester Slide slide tried, triede shide shuts.
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What is he saying? I don't know. Oh he's running,
Oh he's down. You know, if you hadn't cut to
the outside, you'd have taken it all the way. I
was trying to cut to the outside. The problem with
those knee braces did not allow for a lot of
lateral mobility. You're working your way towards the sidelines. I
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felt like NASA with the steel plate in my shoe,
you know, only except for it was my whole body
that felt like that. It was the last play of
the game. I mean what are you gonna do. We
don't necessarily get subs at the offensive line position. We
only get subbed when we get injured. That's you realize,
you know. So, I mean, you know I wasn't as
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fresh as that dB. That probably that probably came in
a nickel situation. You know. It's so funny because I
tell I do Steelers camps, you know, the youth camps,
and I worked with the offensive lineman. I always have
a ball and I hold it up and I showed
the ball to all the offensive the guys that are
with me in the group, and I go, you see this.
We don't need this, we don't want this, because if
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we have this, something really bad has happened. Unless you're
giving it to someone between your legs. That's the only time,
the only time the center just snapping it back and
it's going backwards. You're not. You're not. There's no tuck
in it at any point if because I you know,
here's what I used I used to say to my
my teenage because I say, I said, if this is tucked,
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we're okay. Never mind, yeah, yeah, exactly, like you just
you just you just look at it like what I'm
saying you know what I'm saying. I'm not gonna say
it because I'm an adult, but you already know. I
know you know that word. Don't act like you don't.
Don't sell it either. Don't don't tell me you know
the word either, unwritten rule. Just give me it with
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the eyes. Just say yes with your eyes, not with
your mouth. Alright, So going back to Cam, he's a
three time All Pro over the last six seasons and
in two And I'm not real big on PFF, you know,
as a mandate, I think they give you an idea,
you know what I mean, and you can kind of
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mold thoughts around that. But they rated him the fifth
best out of sixty six Quality into your Defensive Lineman
number three and quarterback pressures with ten and a half
sex tied him for overall butt fifth among the DTS.
There is no sign of him slacking off or dropping
off and playing ability, you know, I mean, this guy
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he's only missed two games, and the two times that
he missed a game was when um Mike pulled him
out because it was the regular season finales and it
just gave him the game off. Yeah. No, I mean
think about this, I mean, what what game was it? Gosh,
I can't remember exactly what game it was, either the
Patriots of the Jets. I mean Cam, Like Cam hurt
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his his ankle, his shoulder, his knee, and I'm pretty
sure something else. And it was just like, you know,
it was one of those things where like he went down,
training crew came out, he came out for a play,
he kind of took it off as he walked off
to the sidelines, and then boom was right back in there.
I was like, geez, I mean, the guy has just
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made out of just the toughest, the toughest leather on earth,
you know what I'm saying, Like he just it's like
a strapping leather, like when you're sharpening a blade, like
like that's what it never breaks and it's always is
always always good, you know. And I think that's that's
just kind of the mentality, the durability of this guy.
We I mean, he literally embodies a man of steel,
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you know what I'm saying, Like like when we walk
out of the locker room and you see that sign
you tap it um in the hallways says men of steel.
I mean he believes that phrase and he goes and
he embodies that phrase. And you know, for Cam, I
mean to do, what he's doing at this point in
his career is just you know, phenomenal. I mean, there's
a testament to him, how he prepares, what he does
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to keep his body right. It's all indicative. And hope,
you know, you hope that more guys kind of look
at that example and kind of follow that, like, you know,
listen as I as I learned it, fake it till
you make it. And that means imitation is the best
form of flattery. So I would rather imitate Cam Heyward
if I'm the young d lineman, uh than anything else,
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Like hey, whatever he does, I do. See, That's exactly it.
He's that guy in the room that gives you that
prototype to follow, you know, throughout as you are as
you're developing your own sort of ability to become a pro.
You know, it was like I was looking to John Colb,
Mike Webster, Larry Brown. They set the pace in the room.
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Sam Davis the first year before he got hurt. Um
in the room, Guys that you looked up to, Guys
that showed you what it looked like to walk, talk
and prepare as a Pittsburgh Steeler. Yeah, and those are
the examples we look at. I know, for me, you know, listen,
we we talked about it Wolf, but I'll say it again.
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I went and watched that all the best offensive tackles
the guys who I thought were you know, their stances
and everything else, and I tried to mimic those things.
I tried to do what Marvel Smith did, right. I
followed the examples of guys like Barrett Brooks and just
until I figured out what my process was. So I
figured out my own efficiency and what my skill set is.
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And that's what you often do. You can't just rely,
you know, because Russell Grim used to always say, you know, hey, whatever, whatever,
whatever it took to get here, just keep doing that.
But you realize once you get here, yes, that gets
you in the door, But what sustains you, you know,
those are the things that you have to work on.
And those are the things that you have to constantly
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work to improve. When you lose that desire um or
the ability to prepare like that, that's you know, that's
when it's when something's run its course. But at the
same time, as long as you have that desire, as
long as you have that will to get better. You
will always is have a place if you're working towards
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those things. And I think Cam is just one of
those guys. He he he had the examples around him
when he was a young guy. Right. You could look
at the Brett Keisel, he could look at it, Aaron Smith,
he could look at a Casey Hampton and then figure
out once once he got of age, and figure out
what what works best for him. And then from there,
once you have the blueprint, then you just constantly keep
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working that sheet right, whittling down and and you're always
find something new, um and better. And I think that's
what Cam is always constantly doing. And I think that's
just a testament and why his humility is where it's
at because he knows I'm not sitting here trying to
claim I'm the best or pretend I'm the best. He's like,
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but I'm going to continue to work because I always
feel like there's something that that I can do better,
the consistency, the endurance, something in there. What it could
be one little thing. I hate the way that on
third downs in the third quarter my swim move does
and work this way. You know what I'm saying, it's like,
like it could be that specific um, but he continually
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finds that thing. It's like Tom Brad. It's like, you know,
as much as we we we at nauseum talk about
Tom Brady, but I think there's truth to what he's like.
He is literally the greatest of all time at the
quarterback position as far as what he's accomplished, and you
you marvel at the question, what else does he have
to prove? Why is he still doing this? Why did
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he unretired? All blah blah blah. We'll never know. But
that's also what makes him great. He always finds that
one thing that's just like, I don't know what he's
talking about. I don't like the way my pinky was
when I threw, you know, over forty times. Once I
get to forty two through forty three on my passes,
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my pinky doesn't quite squeeze the ball to say, you
know what I'm saying. It's like, it's like, what, you know,
things that we would think are trivial, that's what drives them.
And I think the same thing drives Cam And that's
why we're talking about he's not getting you know, he's
not plateau ng he's not declining in skills. He just
he's always finding something new to work at and a
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new challenge that propels him through the off season into
the next season. And that's what you're a You're always
looking for that it, right, You're talking about the it factor.
That that that's what Cam. That's what Cam possesses, the
innate ability to find the it. Well, you know who
else has got the factor? Oh? It is a Thursday.
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I think, I think, I think the yacht club called
we need to make sure we need to make sure
that we that that we have space for the one,
the only cool Breeze himself to die shoes. That's right, hey,
and make sure you take him off before you step
aboard or Skipper will be mad. Yeah, all right, well
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we will step aside when we come back. We got
the cool Breeze himself. Jerry Doolac on the other side,
in the locker room of Wolf, it's Arks here on radio.
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This is in the locker room with Wolf and Starks
on ESPN Pittsburgh against Steelers Nation Radio, presented by your
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Jerry Doola. How are you doing, Jerry? You know, Max,
when you hear that music, it's it wants your voice
to turn melodic and soft and speak in touched, whispered tones,
because whether you know this or not, and I had
it played deliberately, that's the theme song from the Masters,
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and I figured both of you two, I would not
know that's what it was. But I don't want to
underestimate your knowledge of sports in general and golf in
for her this time of year, this time of year,
my mindset, it starts to switch and drift a little
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bit towards the greener pastures of Augusta National tremendous and
this just feels like walk up music for a man corner,
you know what I'm saying, Yes, and it makes my
mind flitter with two dollar pimento cheese sandwiches and on
the on the days of your you know, when things
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were simpler, it was easy. You know, food was cheap
and plentiful. And that's the reason why I go to
the Masters is simple. I thought that's what it was.
And you know, this being your last week and this
being my last appearance with you, I wanted. I wanted
to go out with this some type of genteel music
and I send you guys off into the sunset, and
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and me as well. You know, it's so funny because
you guys, will you start talking about the Masters, I'm going, oh,
you mean, like Kelly, you know, the Masters of Pizza.
You know, Hey, there you go. Now I'm cooking. You're
cooking with Chrisco with me, buddy. Oh ma, that's the
first thing that comes to mind when you say Masters,
Thank you, we are doing We're great. Max got me
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all discombobulated. We got into some discussion here early on
and then that music threw me off. I didn't know
how to how to what to do with that music,
but certainly I got a feeling that's gonna pave the way.
By the way, who's going to be winning the Masters
this year? Since we're on that, you know, um, I
would love nothing more than to see Roy McElroy win,
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because then he completes Golf's Grand Slam, which means he
will have won every major. I always like to see
Jordan's speech win because he's just he's not only the
tremendous player, he's the nicest player out there. And but
there's a side of me because of the contention in golf.
I'd love to see one of these l I V
players win, like Dustin Johnson or Bryson de Shambo and
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cause even more consternation in the world of golf. Not
that that's what I'm looking for, but I just think
the irony would be thelicious if you would. Yeah, listen, Jerry,
I I love it, and I think one of the
one of the great things about the Masters is, you know,
as great as it is, as storied as it is,
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and as they change some of the parameters, I mean,
it's just it's one of the most picturesque I think
on television to watch courses, just because the attention to detail.
Um and it's not And you're right, Max, And it's
not just the beauty of the place, but it's when
it occurs in April, when we're all tired of the
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winner and we're eager. Of course, Max, you get a
little bit earlier than we do, eager for spring, and
and you get those pictures. Uh and and that's that's
it's the right of spring. It's signals that Okay, it's
here and summer's next. And that's what that's what adds
to it, the beauty of that place, you know, with
the magnolia and the dog. Would I've been there, you know,
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I've been seven and I'm figuring this year is gonna
be twenty eight and maybe the last time. But yeah,
there's there's no place like it. There's no question about it.
So Jerry, what's the best place to eat at the Masters? Well,
let's get down to brass tacks. I thought you would
never ask. But Augusta being Augusta, it tends to have
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a lot of chain restaurants. So if you try and
get into t Bones, which is about two blocks from
the entrance to the golf course. If you can believe that, Um,
you probably can't get in by ten or eleven at night,
you know. So, but there's the you know way to
golf course. A lot of people like that. People have
been there for years. Go to the French market grill
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bone fish grill was right down that, right down the highway.
But fish last night. Yeah, yeah, I'm a big I'm
a big fan of bone fish. I I really like
bones fish grill so um. But there's there's a ton
of there's a ton of chain restaurants. You know. The
funny thing the first time I went to the Master's Fellas,
I'm driving up Washington Room and it's telling me that
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the golf I see the science for golf course parking,
and I feel like I'm driving up McKnight Road. Here's
a Jiffy Lube, there's gass food, there's a strip mall,
and I'm thinking, where, wait a minute, where is this
hallowed golf course. I thought when I would be going
to Augusta, like I would be driving out in the
field and the sunlight would be shining down, you know,
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and the fescue would be We're whipping through the wind
and and just you know, and like there would be
like a halo over the golf course. Here I am
driving past Jiffy Lube down McKnight Road, and I'm gonna
turn right into the golf course, which of course is
hidden by trees and fences. But it's it's you know,
it's just strange because you're you're expecting this idyllic location
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and you end up if you know, stoplights and and uh,
you know, burger king. It's kind of funny, really odd. Yeah,
it's in can grew as to what you would expect
for this hallowed, sacred piece of golf and ground. Now
you're a big golfer, well, if you golf, I'm naturally
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a big golfer by default. But but I but I do.
I do enjoy golf. I do enjoy playing golf. You know,
I'm already planning on playing in the Super Bowl tournament
out here for the NFL p A, the Trust and
also the NFL Alumni, so I'll be playing in those.
And also, yeah, I don't get to play during the
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season obviously, And you know, I have one tournament I
played during the season that's up in Massachusetts at Hyanna Sport.
But you know, in the off season, we try and
get trips together for all of our guys. Um uh,
usually in February, like We're going to Ennisbrooke down in
Tampa with Trade Essex and Willie Cologne and I and
a couple of other guys will go playing. Then Willie
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has his annual March Guys golf trip, will pick a
location and go. So, I mean we we play a
lot of golf, so we do, right. I want to
challenge you both. Let's go to nem Coal and let's
do Nemical but the miniature golf? Okay, you want to do?
You want to do that? Of course? Max. I will
tell you then when I Manix for the NFL Owners
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meetings at the end of March. And I know you
guys find this hard to believe, but I find time
to play golf while I'm there. Why will you? I
will how mine and uh, I will see if you
were around and you want to join us for a
little round. Yeah, please do, Jerry, because yeah, because I mean,
we and we have so many fantastic courses. I know
you guys were right. I want to say, what were
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you guys at Where were you guys at last year
for the owners? Well we were, we were in West Palm,
but we're at them were they were at the breakers
last year? But we're at Yeah, that's right. What's the
what's the play? Um? It's right on the tip of
my tongue in Phoenix, the Swank Resort. Jeez, I can't
believe I can finish No, no Faramonte Scottsdale, Princess, No, no,
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no no for four seasons. The high Gainy Ranch Monte
Lucia makes this place, makes those places look like the
Monroeville holiday in trust me. Okay, yeah, I'm trying to
think of it. But we do have a bunch. But
we do have a bunch. Please let me, please let
me know. I'll be out here in the springtime. So yeah,
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I think we need we need to have a go
on miniature golf. That's what we need. Man, Listen, I
got that. I got this one. It's called Area fifty
one Golf out here. It has it has all the
like the black lighting and everything. Well if you'd love it.
It's indoor air condition that you got burdens nearby. I'm
sure they got food there, I bet you. Oh yeah,
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just came to me Max the Biltmore, the Biltmore, yeah
right there in central Phoenix. Yeah yeah, yeah. And and
their course and they have a nice they have a
nice uh they have a nice resort course that's wide open.
Then everything usually play Billy Billy Cundiff does his does
his golf tournament there every year. I usually play one day. Yes,
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I usually play one day there and two other two
other times. I usually try to get their day early
and outside somewhere else while I'm there. Well, well, let
me know, because I have a couple of recommendations. Well stop,
this is our last time to talk for a while. Well,
you're trying to intervie, trying to interfere with an interview.
Is that what you're trying to do football, You're trying
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to get me back on track. But that's a good thing.
That's good. Well, my only question is how have the
post you know, uh, the exit interviews gone with the
players thus far? Um, if you've been around the locker
room there, I had a chance to talk to some
of the guys. Well, you know, well the only the
only day they allow us to have the accents that
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is a Monday, the day after and uh, you know,
they had it open for an hour or and uh,
you know, I spent a lot of time talking to
a bunch of I'm not a bunch of guys, certainly
handful of guys that I needed to talk to or
want to talk to you. But after that, you know,
we don't have that type of access. Of course, we
don't get access at least official media access to the coaches.
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So after Monday, UM, you know, that's it for us,
for for the players, and you know, Tomlin had his
Mike Tomlin had his umence, his press conference on Monday,
and that's the last time he will speak publicly until
the owners meetings in late March. He doesn't speak at
the combine, he never has I'm guessing he never will
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um And so we won't hear anything from him publicly
until until then last week a March. So it'll be
a long time before two and a half What that's yeah,
about two and a half months before anybody hears anything
from Mike Tomlin about his team or coaching staff. All right,
so who is who do you think the Steelers will
prioritize in the you know, in resigning I mean I'm
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welcing like, for instance, Larry Ogan job. He is a
guy that pops in my mind. Well, let me say
this amongst guys, the one thing that the office, what
they will hope to do um is extend m Alex Heisman.
But now it's gonna be up to Alex Highsmith to see,
because he's under contract through It's gonna be up to
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Alex Highsmith to see if he wants to sign an
extension or if he wants to go after this year,
hope and maybe he has another good year next year,
go to free agency and make a whole lot more
money than the Steelers are going to pay him. And
the Steelers just aren't going to pay him because nothing
against him that money. Just like with the Bud Dupree situation.
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They didn't give Bud a multi year contract and Bud
knew this because the money was earmarked for t J. Watt.
Well t J. Watt got that money. So there's only
so much money. They're going to a lot what they'll
pay to Alex Heismith. And it'll be a nice contract,
I'm sure, but I'm sure him. I'm going to guess
that maybe high Smith, you know, we'll think, well, maybe
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let's roll the dice see what kind of season I
have and uh, you know, go test my market value
and free agency, which you know market values for edge rushers,
as you guys know, especially when coming off the season
we had fourteen and a half sacks. And we'll see
what he does next year. You know, he could get
a pretty penny out there. Won't get t J what money,
but he'll get a he'll get a bigger contract than
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what the Steelers would be able, willing and slash able
to pay him. Now that being said, I think I
don't think you'll see them be active in free agency,
and by that I mean they won't certainly won't be
as active as they were last year. And they were
very active in free agency last year. And I don't
expect that. I expect their biggest moves excuse me, to
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come in the draft. But the three biggest keys to
me and I think to them, will be you mentioned one,
larry yogen Job. What do you do with him? They
signed him to a one year, eight million dollar deal,
and now they signed him to one year because they
wanted to see if he could get through the season
whatever injuries were bothering in particularly that list Frank injury
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for which he had surgery, so and we saw him
limited a lot of times in practice. So then are
they going to think, do we want to sign him
to a multi year contract? Based on his performance on
the field, you would say yes, but maybe his medical
history would suggest otherwise. That's one Number one. The monte
Kazi is number two. Another guy they signed to a
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one year deal who they like a great deal, and
and I would think they'll try to bring him back
in number three, and this is a not in order,
but the third guy is Terrell Edmonds who they didn't
pick up his option. He went to free agency, he
sat out there till the day before the draft, and
then they brought him back on a one year, two
and a half million dollar deal. He has been very,
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very very solid. He's played very very well actually since
the middle of last season. So excuse me, I think, um,
you know, now you're going to decide, Okay, which of
those do we want to bring back? Do we want
to bring back all three of them? Do we want
to try and get them on a one year deal?
Do we want to give him a two year deal?
Are they willing to accept that? Um? You know, Larry
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Oogan Joebi had a nice deal front to Chicago Bears
any three years, twenty some million, but he failed the physical,
so he can command a decent dollar. But it just
depends where team how teams are going to view his
medical history. So I think their biggest focus in free
agency is going to be the three guys that have
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that they would like to bring back in some form
or another. Maybe two of them, maybe three of them,
maybe only one of them. I don't know, but I
think that's where they're offseason free agency focus for the
most part is going to be. So what you're saying
is it's going to be almost like like a college
team try to re recruit its own players. Yeah. I
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just don't think, Yeah, Max, I just don't think you'll
see them be as active as they were last year.
Uh in free agency. Um and and I you know,
there there are some missing pieces. You know, maybe maybe
there's a you know, a veteran UH inside linebacker they
could bring in to UM. Uh to what Mark Robinson
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is ready to play? You know, Robert Spillane is he's
an unrestricted free agent, I would imagine because they could
probably when I say they could get him on the cheap,
He's not going to go in the free agency and
get any kind of monster deal. So I think that's
another key for them. But you know they're they're focus
their their rebuild focus, if you will, has to be
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on those lines of scrimmage with youth. You know, you
have to go find a Marquise Pounci or a David
de Castro. You have to go find Cam Hayward for
a stefon to it. You know, the Marvin Lee is
gonna be a nice player, you can see that, but
you need to go get a stud on both sides
of the line of scrimmage if you can. And of course,
who wouldn't want to shut down corner It's easy to
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say they're hard to find, but I think that's what
you're going to look at. Uh, with those two picks
in the first thirty two, UM, I think you could
pretty much pencil in that the offensive line, defensive line
or cornerback is the way to go. And fellas, when
you look at Andy Whitel's history, Um, you know Andy
Whitele is going to be in charge of putting together
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the draft board. That's his job, assessing the collegiate talent
and putting that board together. That's what he did in Philadelphia.
Hey didn't make the picks, but he put them together.
And you look at where where the Eagles have been
their strength offensive line and defensive line, and I would
think that's the way, you know, the Steelers want to
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go and and need to go. Despite the fact the
offensive line has played very, very well. And I don't
have to tell you guys, Pat Mayer deserves tons and
tons of credit for what the way he has molded
and uh you know um uh changed their their technique
and how they play. And you can't say enough really
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to me the job that Pat Meyer did absolutely, you know, Jerry,
that's one thing when Max and I have both been
you know, giving salutations out to uh, you know, hogline
boss Pat My you know, because I always say fat
is where it's at, and it always starts up front.
And the guys did a great job this year. And
they were just as Max was talking about, coming out
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of training and give them time, give them time, and
certainly they did. But you know, you look at what
do you think is what what's the positi Cause I
don't follow the draft as much as you guys, So
what's the chances of getting a good corner with a
with a pick. You know, well, if that's um, I
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obviously I think you can get one. And you know,
if there's if you know your quote, shutdown corners, the
guys you're just like anything deals rusher, the owner back.
They go in the first five picks, maybe the first
eight if there's a run on quarterbacks. Quarterbacks. Um. So
that's not to say that you can't get a good
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player obviously at eight, and you could get a good
player at number thirty two. But the elite players tend
to be and most of the draft pool tell you this,
the the truly elite players, the guys who are almost
can't miss. Forget quarterbacks because people tend to over evaluate them.
They're usually, like I said, in the top five. Um.
But I don't think there's a question if you can
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draft a quality corner, uh. And you can find a
guy that you can lock down on a top receiver
and let's face it, uh, they struggled with big play
receivers this year, making big plays against them, and the
only time they didn't is because it was Davante Adams.
And look, I'm not going to use the weather as
the excuse and take away from whatever was the they did.
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But Derek Carr missed him target him nine times. I
think he had two catches. He missed him a great
deal in that frigid in that frigid weather. But I
think if you can get that type of corner that
you can lock on somebody now all of a sudden,
you take away half the field if you will, I
think that makes Cam Sutton better and more valuable. Um.
And so to me, I think you they'll be looking
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for a number one corner. And I think the other
thing too here fellas we know, the Steeler's history attracting
cornerbacks has not been very good, unlike wide receivers. But
you have you have to remember now their entire um
uh scouting department or personnel department has been revamped, and
that comes probably a change in philosophy. That's much philosophy,
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that's part of it, but how players are evaluated, and
so you know, maybe evaluations of corners in the past,
you know, Already Burns for example, hasn't been very good.
The evaluation of Already Burns and where did he go?
He went in seventeen eighteen nineteen or something like that,
And so I think the other thing that needs to
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change too with the way the game is played. The
Steelers always like corners who can play the run, physical
corners who could come up to the line of scrimmage.
You know what I ain't the way the games played.
They need corners who can cover and take away the
deep past. So I think you have to change your
philosophy of the type of cornerback you think you need
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as well. So we'll see how that plays out. But
I think those are I think those are big factors.
Uh that you know I have to be considered, and
you know very well could be considered. Well, Thank you
very much, do we. We so appreciate you. There's nothing
like nice Thursday morning with the cool breeze. Thank you
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so much for the whole year. Brother. Yeah. Absolutely, boys,
And you know I always enjoyed not only being on
with your Thursday, but I enjoy being within the booth
before every game. Him and I'll talk to you guys soon.
Have a good offseason. But I'll catch up with you
very soon, I'm sure, Jerry. I have one last question
for a trivia questions. We were talking masters. My good
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buddy Keith Uh sent over a question. Uh, I have
a trivia question for you. Um, where or I should
say which hole is there a palm tree at the Masters?
There's only one? Do you know which hole it is?
Palm tree? Um, No, I don't. It's probably it's probably
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a trick question. But no, I don't know. Whole number four,
whole number four, it's not a question. Is that a
trick question? On? Max? I thought he had a great
trick question here because we're talking about the folies in
the scenery. But so next time you go on on
trip checking out about number four, and I'm gonna go,
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where the hell's that palm tree? Yeah? That that? Or
you're gonna be singing I've got the lovely bunch of
nuts they go about. You'll you'll start you'll start drifting
even further. Yes, as we play come on out Tron
music now into the sunset, it's almost like a wrap
it up. It's almost like the wrap it up box,
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you know, you just hit it and come and wrap
it up. But yeah, I love that music. It's my
ring tone for several of my golfing friends. See there
it is. And so on that note, I'll make sure
that we take this out very nicely and softly. We
want to thank Jerry Doo Lac for all that he's done, um,
not only for us in the locker room, but for
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what he does for the city of Pittsburgh and what
he does covering the Steelers and bringing you this hard
hitting journalism that just get there's just boggles and wonders
the mind. And we know that Jerry wouldn't be here
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And on that note, thank you guys. We're going to
take a break right now and when we come back,
we'll have more here in the locker room with Wolf
and Starks on ESPN and S and R Radio. This
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Forward Store. The F one fifty is the official truck
of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Derek Carr under center play action
pick and he throws the pass and it's it accepted
on up chip artur my left turns it up fail
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catch to the party that is tackled at the forty
four yard line by the intended receiver barrow the tight end.
You know, I just can't help but pour a little
sunshine into everybody's soul. When you've got guys like Arthur Mullett,
you know that you talk about a Nati boy, good guys,
spotlight type feature. He's one of these guys that really
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is serious about giving back. Max I love athletes that
take the time to get, you know, down and dirty
in the act of giving back. They pour life into others.
And Arthur Mullett visited the Second Avenue Commons, a shelter
in Pittsburgh's downtown area for those experiencing homelessness, and he
gave out coats and spent time talking to them, and
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just as important, he sat down and just he listened
to And one of the things that you'll find when
you you interact with with homeless folks is they feel
like they're unseen. They feel like, you know, nobody pays
any attention to them. They feel like they've got, you know,
nowhere to go. And when you take the time to
talk with them and listen to them, it really is special.
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And for Arthur Mallette during the course of the season
to take time to you know, go down and share
like that, it's it's amazing. Yeah, no, it is. And
I think that's kind of one of one of the
great things is the charity, right the ability to to
feel that responsibility but also to embody that responsibility of
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of helping those in need. And it's something that you know,
I know all of us are proud of and things
that we've taken part in as players and a former players.
Well if I know you know all the work that
you do with Light of Life Rescue Mission and and
and of course with John Cole's Foundation as well. Um,
you know the its adventures and hold on the adventures
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and there we go ventures in training with the purpose.
Appreciate that, Appreciate that and you know, um and even
for my time in Pittsburgh. You know, I I worked
on we we had Thanksgiving food drives. I worked with
Charlie and his best of the batch projects um that
he does year round. Um, you know, it's it's great
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when guys carry on that legacy of service because it's
much needed. In the platform that guys have, you don't
realize the reach that you have. And also for Cam
Heyward also being the team's Walter Payton Man of the
Year recipient, it's not necessarily for what's seen, it's more
so for the unseen as well. Um, not only what
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is known about, but the things that they just do
out the goodness of their hearts. And those are the
things that make it special. Um. When you don't need
the recognition, you don't seek that recognition, it just happens.
And uh, you know, all the guys, I credit all
of them with all their various foundations and all the
work that they've done. Um. And even you know, hearing
about Damar Hamlin being a local Pittsburgh's son and and
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and going and donating, um, you know in person, like
you said, seeing all the dbs and all their contributions,
I mean, this is just that's what warms your heart.
And those stories we don't cover enough of. But but
we're here in the locker room, Baby, we cover them
here in the locker room because that's what we do.
We go beyond the surf, because we're not superficial. We're deep.
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You know you heard that last commentary, you heard the music.
You know that we could get serious when we need to.
We're nothing if not a fact based show. Gentlemen, there
we go, not think about this. Arthur Millet grew up
in the Lower Ninth Ward in New Orleans, the oldest
of five, two brothers, two sisters, no mother, no father
to speak of in their lives. His grandfather took care
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of them when they were young. For a period of time,
Arthur was homeless. Uh, he was sleeping in a church bus.
You know, he dropped out of school. But now he's
given back. Let me read you a quote what he said.
Anything I do as far as giving back, I want
to be hands on. That is a must for me.
I am a ground guy. I want to be in
the mix. I don't want to just donate and not
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be a helping hand. It means a lot for me
to be there. I will continue to be there with
anything where I am giving back. I salute you, Arthur Mullet.
That is awesome. Your story is awesome, and you are
bigger than your than than what you came up from.
You're just I stand in all. I love when guys
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do that. You know, you know what I'm talking about. No, absolutely,
I mean, this is what you have to do, right,
I mean, this is um you know, it's amazing when
you hear the stories, you know, because just like any
good superhero, right, there's gotta be an origin tale wolf.
Everybody has to has has to be borne out of
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some hardship to make them the tremendous person or being
that they are. And Arthur has a fantastic one. You
think about and when you think about how grounded he
still stays even after you know, after all that, you
you can go a lot of different directions right on
the road when you have those obstacles thrown in your way.
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But what did he do? He just blasted forward, and
I think I think that's what's awesome to hear. And
then what he continues to do and the job that
he's done, I mean, you know, it is a thankless job.
Playing on the slot you know what I'm saying, Well,
like people don't appreciate it. They see they see the
island corners, the man corners. You know, the safety is
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running up and blasting folks and making big play interset shins.
But that that slot guy, that nickel guy, it's oft overlooked,
and he he makes it a focal point, except when
they tackle guys who just picked up the ball or
six plus and yelled charge. For first of all, first
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of all, it hurt him a lot worse than hurting
it dead. There's no doubt about. I just watched that
video over and over, and I'm like, going, he might
have regretted that taking Max down. But I but but
you know what I can always say, I beat Ronniey
Brown and rushing one games. That's all I need. That's
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all I need. You average four yards up his totals. Dady,
you know what I'm saying. I mean, listen, I mean,
for the rest of my life, I can now go
and say, you know what, I outduled a good running back,
a great running back in the NFL at one point
when we were in college. You know, I led my
team and rushing for one game. Who who else can
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say that? What are their lives? School to Max exactly,
I'm just saying I have I averaged four yards of
carrying the sec You know that's just a clip right there.
We better get out of here, Max, because you know
what's coming next. Power. Our time is here. We are
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on the precipice of greatness here in the locker room
once again. But we're gonna step aside, pay some bills,
and when we come back, more Steelers. Actually, of course,
the music and wonderings of Max and Wolf's mind here
in the locker Room on ESPN, S and R Radio
This is in the Locker Room with Wolf and Starks
on ESPN Pittsburgh against Steelers Nation Radio, presented by your
neighborhood Forward Store. The F one fifty is the official
truck of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Hey man, you never know
if they want me back or not. I don't take
that for granted. UM. It's even this a long time
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that the first time I've never heard you say that.
I say it every year. UM. You just I'd like
to be back, but you never know. UM, what the
game's been. It's the business side of the thing. It's
it's NFL not for long. UM. I want to be back.
I would like to be a Pittsburgh Steelers and still
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but you don't know what's going on in the future.
That Cam is the same type of guy that will
put a you know, a tape job with his with
his last name on the front of his helmet in
a training camp like setting. Um. That that's that's what
makes him who he is. UM. He takes none of
this for granted. UM. And that's just an expression of that,
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just like when he puts his last name on his
helmet UM in a training camp like setting. Um. He
he is special. Because he has a special approach because
he is legitimately humble and hard working, and he takes
none of this for granted, and so that's probably what
that was, you know, Max there there. I can't get
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over the humility and the humbleness of Cam's attitude, which
is always something that I don't know, it just rocks
me because you take a look at around around the league.
You just watch some of the headlines. Michael Parsons, for instance,
he blasts the NFLPA his first All Pro team after
being left off the Ross do and so forth, and
I just think, you know, do you really need to
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do that? You know, I mean, and then there's other
stuff where you guys are saying, you know, I just
I find it very ingratiating when Cam talks about that
humble attitude, having the servitude, being a leader, but also
being a you know, a teammate with accountability and everything.
I just love all that stuff because it's so he
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he lives it out in front of us. No, you're
absolutely right. I mean, It's it's one thing to sit
there and talk and complain, right like um, like Michael
Parsons did. It's another thing to go and just dominate
a game after the results are out and you find
out you're an alternator in the Pro Bowl. You know
what I'm saying, like, go let your actions like like
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thank you, Go show them that you're wrong as opposed
to complaining about it. You know. That's that's that's a
great idea. I wish I thought of that. You know,
just just go out there, beat the living crap out
of the guy in front of you and be like, Okay,
so I guess this is what backups do. Huh, all right,
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all right, I'm gonna just beat me, Just beat me,
you know. Uh. And as two guys who are on
the all alternate team that took pride in just just
gouging people's faces in you know, it's just you know,
different strokes for different folks, you know that. Just think
about that. That's a cowboy mentality versus Steelers mentality. Dig
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dig dig dig Digg. I lasted all the five minutes
this morning. Well we got right to the cutting board. There,
my friend, there it is there. It is no no
sugarcoating this one. Look, Jim Kim's gonna be thirty four
in May. By the way, I'm a May baby two.
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You know, oh look at that. My wife's a may baby.
Are you a Taurists as well? I don't even know
what that is, right, No, it is as well. Uh,
great great car by Ford. Uh don't. I don't put
it past him. Just listen, Robot Coop drove drove a
Ford Tourist back in the day. Yeah, I drove the
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s h O edition. Yeah, the cop the cop version. Sorry,
um no, um, I was gonna ask, when's your birthday?
In May? Okay? So you're just over the cusp Okay,
so you are, am I driving a Taurus. You're still
you know, you're looking at a Taurus the outside looking
(04:35):
in at a Taurus. Yeah, I know, we are, we are,
we are. But but no, But furthermore to your point,
I think you know it's a it's certain just certain mentalities,
and I think the Steelers have a great way of
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identifying that talent more often than not. I mean, nobody's
gonna be a perf. But you think about the mentality
of guys who played for the Steelers over this vast
expanse right, you're looking at almost you know, we're we're
getting we're getting to almost ninety years with this season
will be the ninetieth season, I believe is it let three? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
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we gotta be yeah exactly, not just just minus ten
minus ten from that sounds left over, that sounds like um.
But but I I think when you look at that
and you think about it, I mean, there there, there
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are their own unique individuals, but for the most part,
when you think of the totality of the sum of
the personalities, they're all pretty consistent with each other, and
they all get along. And I think you have to
have a certain level of humility to be here. You know,
the cock over cocky and confident and feeling constantly disparaged.
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You know that that that personality trait doesn't really go
well in this type of locker room. You know, the
woe is me. I mean, there's no fainting counts in
the locker room last time I checked. Um Oh, I've
been wrong. I've been wrong. Did anyone ever got a
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flair for the dramatic? My friend? You know, I I
love I love inflections and voice and and and everything
that sarcasm. Listen, I've never been accused of being shy.
Let's just put it that, absolutely not ever since I've
known you. No, no analytical maybe you know a little
(06:55):
bit overly. Uh. You know, you're thoughtful in all your responses.
I am. I'm thoughtful, and I feel like, you know,
it's thorough. It's thorough some people. Some people call it,
you know, pointing and very poking. But I feel like
I feel like it's just thorough and thoughtful. You know,
sometimes you poke the bear out of fun. It's always good. Yeah,
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some sometimes you need to see the teeth to make
sure they're healthy. You know. That's it. That's it, that's all.
That's all it is. Do you know whopie would I'd
come home from the season right, I'd come home after
season over. You know, we played, you know all you
the whole season, long drive home, go see mom for
for a week, you know, stay there and the first
thing should walk up She grab my jaw and then
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open your mouth and let me see those teeth. I
put a lot of money into those teeth growing up.
She said, you don't wear your mouth card. Ye listen,
it's important to wear the mouth card. Will I just
you know, I got rid of that my first or
second year in the league, when we were in Dallas
and it was so hot, it was like my mouth
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guard was melt Jean into the upper cleft of my
my mouth, the upper ballot, and I remember there was
a time out and it just like it felt like
it was just melting in there, and I just un
buckling my chin strap, pushed my helmet back, tilted my
head back also, and I just spit it out somewhere
on the Texas Stadium turf and I never wore one again. Yeah,
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it was like that, So you know what I thought
like this? Yeah, yeah, like that, you found like you
gotta lift it. Will you talk with him out? Yes,
that's I'm talking like Sylvester Slide slide tried, triede shide shuts.
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What is he saying? I don't know. Oh he's running,
Oh he's down. You know, if you hadn't cut to
the outside, you'd have taken it all the way. I
was trying to cut to the outside. The problem with
those knee braces did not allow for a lot of
lateral mobility. You're working your way towards the sidelines. I
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felt like NASA with the steel plate in my shoe,
you know, only except for it was my whole body
that felt like that. It was the last play of
the game. I mean what are you gonna do. We
don't necessarily get subs at the offensive line position. We
only get subbed when we get injured. That's you realize,
you know. So, I mean, you know I wasn't as
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fresh as that dB. That probably that probably came in
a nickel situation. You know. It's so funny because I
tell I do Steelers camps, you know, the youth camps,
and I worked with the offensive lineman. I always have
a ball and I hold it up and I showed
the ball to all the offensive the guys that are
with me in the group, and I go, you see this.
We don't need this, we don't want this, because if
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we have this, something really bad has happened. Unless you're
giving it to someone between your legs. That's the only time,
the only time the center just snapping it back and
it's going backwards. You're not. You're not. There's no tuck
in it at any point if because I you know,
here's what I used I used to say to my
my teenage because I say, I said, if this is tucked,
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we're okay. Never mind, yeah, yeah, exactly, like you just
you just you just look at it like what I'm
saying you know what I'm saying. I'm not gonna say
it because I'm an adult, but you already know. I
know you know that word. Don't act like you don't.
Don't sell it either. Don't don't tell me you know
the word either, unwritten rule. Just give me it with
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the eyes. Just say yes with your eyes, not with
your mouth. Alright, So going back to Cam, he's a
three time All Pro over the last six seasons and
in two And I'm not real big on PFF, you know,
as a mandate, I think they give you an idea,
you know what I mean, and you can kind of
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mold thoughts around that. But they rated him the fifth
best out of sixty six Quality into your Defensive Lineman
number three and quarterback pressures with ten and a half
sex tied him for overall butt fifth among the DTS.
There is no sign of him slacking off or dropping
off and playing ability, you know, I mean, this guy
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he's only missed two games, and the two times that
he missed a game was when um Mike pulled him
out because it was the regular season finales and it
just gave him the game off. Yeah. No, I mean
think about this, I mean, what what game was it? Gosh,
I can't remember exactly what game it was, either the
Patriots of the Jets. I mean Cam, Like Cam hurt
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his his ankle, his shoulder, his knee, and I'm pretty
sure something else. And it was just like, you know,
it was one of those things where like he went down,
training crew came out, he came out for a play,
he kind of took it off as he walked off
to the sidelines, and then boom was right back in there.
I was like, geez, I mean, the guy has just
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made out of just the toughest, the toughest leather on earth,
you know what I'm saying, Like he just it's like
a strapping leather, like when you're sharpening a blade, like
like that's what it never breaks and it's always is
always always good, you know. And I think that's that's
just kind of the mentality, the durability of this guy.
We I mean, he literally embodies a man of steel,
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you know what I'm saying, Like like when we walk
out of the locker room and you see that sign
you tap it um in the hallways says men of steel.
I mean he believes that phrase and he goes and
he embodies that phrase. And you know, for Cam, I
mean to do, what he's doing at this point in
his career is just you know, phenomenal. I mean, there's
a testament to him, how he prepares, what he does
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to keep his body right. It's all indicative. And hope,
you know, you hope that more guys kind of look
at that example and kind of follow that, like, you know,
listen as I as I learned it, fake it till
you make it. And that means imitation is the best
form of flattery. So I would rather imitate Cam Heyward
if I'm the young d lineman, uh than anything else,
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Like hey, whatever he does, I do. See, That's exactly it.
He's that guy in the room that gives you that
prototype to follow, you know, throughout as you are as
you're developing your own sort of ability to become a pro.
You know, it was like I was looking to John Colb,
Mike Webster, Larry Brown. They set the pace in the room.
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Sam Davis the first year before he got hurt. Um
in the room, Guys that you looked up to, Guys
that showed you what it looked like to walk, talk
and prepare as a Pittsburgh Steeler. Yeah, and those are
the examples we look at. I know, for me, you know, listen,
we we talked about it Wolf, but I'll say it again.
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I went and watched that all the best offensive tackles
the guys who I thought were you know, their stances
and everything else, and I tried to mimic those things.
I tried to do what Marvel Smith did, right. I
followed the examples of guys like Barrett Brooks and just
until I figured out what my process was. So I
figured out my own efficiency and what my skill set is.
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And that's what you often do. You can't just rely,
you know, because Russell Grim used to always say, you know, hey, whatever, whatever,
whatever it took to get here, just keep doing that.
But you realize once you get here, yes, that gets
you in the door, But what sustains you, you know,
those are the things that you have to work on.
And those are the things that you have to constantly
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work to improve. When you lose that desire um or
the ability to prepare like that, that's you know, that's
when it's when something's run its course. But at the
same time, as long as you have that desire, as
long as you have that will to get better. You
will always is have a place if you're working towards
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those things. And I think Cam is just one of
those guys. He he he had the examples around him
when he was a young guy. Right. You could look
at the Brett Keisel, he could look at it, Aaron Smith,
he could look at a Casey Hampton and then figure
out once once he got of age, and figure out
what what works best for him. And then from there,
once you have the blueprint, then you just constantly keep
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working that sheet right, whittling down and and you're always
find something new, um and better. And I think that's
what Cam is always constantly doing. And I think that's
just a testament and why his humility is where it's
at because he knows I'm not sitting here trying to
claim I'm the best or pretend I'm the best. He's like,
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but I'm going to continue to work because I always
feel like there's something that that I can do better,
the consistency, the endurance, something in there. What it could
be one little thing. I hate the way that on
third downs in the third quarter my swim move does
and work this way. You know what I'm saying, it's like,
like it could be that specific um, but he continually
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finds that thing. It's like Tom Brad. It's like, you know,
as much as we we we at nauseum talk about
Tom Brady, but I think there's truth to what he's like.
He is literally the greatest of all time at the
quarterback position as far as what he's accomplished, and you
you marvel at the question, what else does he have
to prove? Why is he still doing this? Why did
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he unretired? All blah blah blah. We'll never know. But
that's also what makes him great. He always finds that
one thing that's just like, I don't know what he's
talking about. I don't like the way my pinky was
when I threw, you know, over forty times. Once I
get to forty two through forty three on my passes,
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my pinky doesn't quite squeeze the ball to say, you
know what I'm saying. It's like, it's like, what, you know,
things that we would think are trivial, that's what drives them.
And I think the same thing drives Cam And that's
why we're talking about he's not getting you know, he's
not plateau ng he's not declining in skills. He just
he's always finding something new to work at and a
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new challenge that propels him through the off season into
the next season. And that's what you're a You're always
looking for that it, right, You're talking about the it factor.
That that that's what Cam. That's what Cam possesses, the
innate ability to find the it. Well, you know who
else has got the factor? Oh? It is a Thursday.
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I think, I think, I think the yacht club called
we need to make sure we need to make sure
that we that that we have space for the one,
the only cool Breeze himself to die shoes. That's right, hey,
and make sure you take him off before you step
aboard or Skipper will be mad. Yeah, all right, well
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we will step aside when we come back. We got
the cool Breeze himself. Jerry Doolac on the other side,
in the locker room of Wolf, it's Arks here on radio.
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Jerry Doola. How are you doing, Jerry? You know, Max,
when you hear that music, it's it wants your voice
to turn melodic and soft and speak in touched, whispered tones,
because whether you know this or not, and I had
it played deliberately, that's the theme song from the Masters,
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and I figured both of you two, I would not
know that's what it was. But I don't want to
underestimate your knowledge of sports in general and golf in
for her this time of year, this time of year,
my mindset, it starts to switch and drift a little
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bit towards the greener pastures of Augusta National tremendous and
this just feels like walk up music for a man corner,
you know what I'm saying, Yes, and it makes my
mind flitter with two dollar pimento cheese sandwiches and on
the on the days of your you know, when things
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were simpler, it was easy. You know, food was cheap
and plentiful. And that's the reason why I go to
the Masters is simple. I thought that's what it was.
And you know, this being your last week and this
being my last appearance with you, I wanted. I wanted
to go out with this some type of genteel music
and I send you guys off into the sunset, and
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and me as well. You know, it's so funny because
you guys, will you start talking about the Masters, I'm going, oh,
you mean, like Kelly, you know, the Masters of Pizza.
You know, Hey, there you go. Now I'm cooking. You're
cooking with Chrisco with me, buddy. Oh ma, that's the
first thing that comes to mind when you say Masters,
Thank you, we are doing We're great. Max got me
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all discombobulated. We got into some discussion here early on
and then that music threw me off. I didn't know
how to how to what to do with that music,
but certainly I got a feeling that's gonna pave the way.
By the way, who's going to be winning the Masters
this year? Since we're on that, you know, um, I
would love nothing more than to see Roy McElroy win,
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because then he completes Golf's Grand Slam, which means he
will have won every major. I always like to see
Jordan's speech win because he's just he's not only the
tremendous player, he's the nicest player out there. And but
there's a side of me because of the contention in golf.
I'd love to see one of these l I V
players win, like Dustin Johnson or Bryson de Shambo and
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cause even more consternation in the world of golf. Not
that that's what I'm looking for, but I just think
the irony would be thelicious if you would. Yeah, listen, Jerry,
I I love it, and I think one of the
one of the great things about the Masters is, you know,
as great as it is, as storied as it is,
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and as they change some of the parameters, I mean,
it's just it's one of the most picturesque I think
on television to watch courses, just because the attention to detail.
Um and it's not And you're right, Max, And it's
not just the beauty of the place, but it's when
it occurs in April, when we're all tired of the
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winner and we're eager. Of course, Max, you get a
little bit earlier than we do, eager for spring, and
and you get those pictures. Uh and and that's that's
it's the right of spring. It's signals that Okay, it's
here and summer's next. And that's what that's what adds
to it, the beauty of that place, you know, with
the magnolia and the dog. Would I've been there, you know,
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I've been seven and I'm figuring this year is gonna
be twenty eight and maybe the last time. But yeah,
there's there's no place like it. There's no question about it.
So Jerry, what's the best place to eat at the Masters? Well,
let's get down to brass tacks. I thought you would
never ask. But Augusta being Augusta, it tends to have
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a lot of chain restaurants. So if you try and
get into t Bones, which is about two blocks from
the entrance to the golf course. If you can believe that, Um,
you probably can't get in by ten or eleven at night,
you know. So, but there's the you know way to
golf course. A lot of people like that. People have
been there for years. Go to the French market grill
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bone fish grill was right down that, right down the highway.
But fish last night. Yeah, yeah, I'm a big I'm
a big fan of bone fish. I I really like
bones fish grill so um. But there's there's a ton
of there's a ton of chain restaurants. You know. The
funny thing the first time I went to the Master's Fellas,
I'm driving up Washington Room and it's telling me that
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the golf I see the science for golf course parking,
and I feel like I'm driving up McKnight Road. Here's
a Jiffy Lube, there's gass food, there's a strip mall,
and I'm thinking, where, wait a minute, where is this
hallowed golf course. I thought when I would be going
to Augusta, like I would be driving out in the
field and the sunlight would be shining down, you know,
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and the fescue would be We're whipping through the wind
and and just you know, and like there would be
like a halo over the golf course. Here I am
driving past Jiffy Lube down McKnight Road, and I'm gonna
turn right into the golf course, which of course is
hidden by trees and fences. But it's it's you know,
it's just strange because you're you're expecting this idyllic location
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and you end up if you know, stoplights and and uh,
you know, burger king. It's kind of funny, really odd. Yeah,
it's in can grew as to what you would expect
for this hallowed, sacred piece of golf and ground. Now
you're a big golfer, well, if you golf, I'm naturally
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a big golfer by default. But but I but I do.
I do enjoy golf. I do enjoy playing golf. You know,
I'm already planning on playing in the Super Bowl tournament
out here for the NFL p A, the Trust and
also the NFL Alumni, so I'll be playing in those.
And also, yeah, I don't get to play during the
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season obviously, And you know, I have one tournament I
played during the season that's up in Massachusetts at Hyanna Sport.
But you know, in the off season, we try and
get trips together for all of our guys. Um uh,
usually in February, like We're going to Ennisbrooke down in
Tampa with Trade Essex and Willie Cologne and I and
a couple of other guys will go playing. Then Willie
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has his annual March Guys golf trip, will pick a
location and go. So, I mean we we play a
lot of golf, so we do, right. I want to
challenge you both. Let's go to nem Coal and let's
do Nemical but the miniature golf? Okay, you want to do?
You want to do that? Of course? Max. I will
tell you then when I Manix for the NFL Owners
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meetings at the end of March. And I know you
guys find this hard to believe, but I find time
to play golf while I'm there. Why will you? I
will how mine and uh, I will see if you
were around and you want to join us for a
little round. Yeah, please do, Jerry, because yeah, because I mean,
we and we have so many fantastic courses. I know
you guys were right. I want to say, what were
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you guys at Where were you guys at last year
for the owners? Well we were, we were in West Palm,
but we're at them were they were at the breakers
last year? But we're at Yeah, that's right. What's the
what's the play? Um? It's right on the tip of
my tongue in Phoenix, the Swank Resort. Jeez, I can't
believe I can finish No, no Faramonte Scottsdale, Princess, No, no,
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no no for four seasons. The high Gainy Ranch Monte
Lucia makes this place, makes those places look like the
Monroeville holiday in trust me. Okay, yeah, I'm trying to
think of it. But we do have a bunch. But
we do have a bunch. Please let me, please let
me know. I'll be out here in the springtime. So yeah,
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I think we need we need to have a go
on miniature golf. That's what we need. Man, Listen, I
got that. I got this one. It's called Area fifty
one Golf out here. It has it has all the
like the black lighting and everything. Well if you'd love it.
It's indoor air condition that you got burdens nearby. I'm
sure they got food there, I bet you. Oh yeah,
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just came to me Max the Biltmore, the Biltmore, yeah
right there in central Phoenix. Yeah yeah, yeah. And and
their course and they have a nice they have a
nice uh they have a nice resort course that's wide open.
Then everything usually play Billy Billy Cundiff does his does
his golf tournament there every year. I usually play one day. Yes,
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I usually play one day there and two other two
other times. I usually try to get their day early
and outside somewhere else while I'm there. Well, well, let
me know, because I have a couple of recommendations. Well stop,
this is our last time to talk for a while. Well,
you're trying to intervie, trying to interfere with an interview.
Is that what you're trying to do football, You're trying
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to get me back on track. But that's a good thing.
That's good. Well, my only question is how have the
post you know, uh, the exit interviews gone with the
players thus far? Um, if you've been around the locker
room there, I had a chance to talk to some
of the guys. Well, you know, well the only the
only day they allow us to have the accents that
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is a Monday, the day after and uh, you know,
they had it open for an hour or and uh,
you know, I spent a lot of time talking to
a bunch of I'm not a bunch of guys, certainly
handful of guys that I needed to talk to or
want to talk to you. But after that, you know,
we don't have that type of access. Of course, we
don't get access at least official media access to the coaches.
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So after Monday, UM, you know, that's it for us,
for for the players, and you know, Tomlin had his
Mike Tomlin had his umence, his press conference on Monday,
and that's the last time he will speak publicly until
the owners meetings in late March. He doesn't speak at
the combine, he never has I'm guessing he never will
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um And so we won't hear anything from him publicly
until until then last week a March. So it'll be
a long time before two and a half What that's yeah,
about two and a half months before anybody hears anything
from Mike Tomlin about his team or coaching staff. All right,
so who is who do you think the Steelers will
prioritize in the you know, in resigning I mean I'm
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welcing like, for instance, Larry Ogan job. He is a
guy that pops in my mind. Well, let me say
this amongst guys, the one thing that the office, what
they will hope to do um is extend m Alex Heisman.
But now it's gonna be up to Alex Highsmith to see,
because he's under contract through It's gonna be up to
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Alex Highsmith to see if he wants to sign an
extension or if he wants to go after this year,
hope and maybe he has another good year next year,
go to free agency and make a whole lot more
money than the Steelers are going to pay him. And
the Steelers just aren't going to pay him because nothing
against him that money. Just like with the Bud Dupree situation.
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They didn't give Bud a multi year contract and Bud
knew this because the money was earmarked for t J. Watt.
Well t J. Watt got that money. So there's only
so much money. They're going to a lot what they'll
pay to Alex Heismith. And it'll be a nice contract,
I'm sure, but I'm sure him. I'm going to guess
that maybe high Smith, you know, we'll think, well, maybe
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let's roll the dice see what kind of season I
have and uh, you know, go test my market value
and free agency, which you know market values for edge rushers,
as you guys know, especially when coming off the season
we had fourteen and a half sacks. And we'll see
what he does next year. You know, he could get
a pretty penny out there. Won't get t J what money,
but he'll get a he'll get a bigger contract than
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what the Steelers would be able, willing and slash able
to pay him. Now that being said, I think I
don't think you'll see them be active in free agency,
and by that I mean they won't certainly won't be
as active as they were last year. And they were
very active in free agency last year. And I don't
expect that. I expect their biggest moves excuse me, to
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come in the draft. But the three biggest keys to
me and I think to them, will be you mentioned one,
larry yogen Job. What do you do with him? They
signed him to a one year, eight million dollar deal,
and now they signed him to one year because they
wanted to see if he could get through the season
whatever injuries were bothering in particularly that list Frank injury
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for which he had surgery, so and we saw him
limited a lot of times in practice. So then are
they going to think, do we want to sign him
to a multi year contract? Based on his performance on
the field, you would say yes, but maybe his medical
history would suggest otherwise. That's one Number one. The monte
Kazi is number two. Another guy they signed to a
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one year deal who they like a great deal, and
and I would think they'll try to bring him back
in number three, and this is a not in order,
but the third guy is Terrell Edmonds who they didn't
pick up his option. He went to free agency, he
sat out there till the day before the draft, and
then they brought him back on a one year, two
and a half million dollar deal. He has been very,
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very very solid. He's played very very well actually since
the middle of last season. So excuse me, I think, um,
you know, now you're going to decide, Okay, which of
those do we want to bring back? Do we want
to bring back all three of them? Do we want
to try and get them on a one year deal?
Do we want to give him a two year deal?
Are they willing to accept that? Um? You know, Larry
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Oogan Joebi had a nice deal front to Chicago Bears
any three years, twenty some million, but he failed the physical,
so he can command a decent dollar. But it just
depends where team how teams are going to view his
medical history. So I think their biggest focus in free
agency is going to be the three guys that have
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that they would like to bring back in some form
or another. Maybe two of them, maybe three of them,
maybe only one of them. I don't know, but I
think that's where they're offseason free agency focus for the
most part is going to be. So what you're saying
is it's going to be almost like like a college
team try to re recruit its own players. Yeah. I
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just don't think, Yeah, Max, I just don't think you'll
see them be as active as they were last year.
Uh in free agency. Um and and I you know,
there there are some missing pieces. You know, maybe maybe
there's a you know, a veteran UH inside linebacker they
could bring in to UM. Uh to what Mark Robinson
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is ready to play? You know, Robert Spillane is he's
an unrestricted free agent, I would imagine because they could
probably when I say they could get him on the cheap,
He's not going to go in the free agency and
get any kind of monster deal. So I think that's
another key for them. But you know they're they're focus
their their rebuild focus, if you will, has to be
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on those lines of scrimmage with youth. You know, you
have to go find a Marquise Pounci or a David
de Castro. You have to go find Cam Hayward for
a stefon to it. You know, the Marvin Lee is
gonna be a nice player, you can see that, but
you need to go get a stud on both sides
of the line of scrimmage if you can. And of course,
who wouldn't want to shut down corner It's easy to
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say they're hard to find, but I think that's what
you're going to look at. Uh, with those two picks
in the first thirty two, UM, I think you could
pretty much pencil in that the offensive line, defensive line
or cornerback is the way to go. And fellas, when
you look at Andy Whitel's history, Um, you know Andy
Whitele is going to be in charge of putting together
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the draft board. That's his job, assessing the collegiate talent
and putting that board together. That's what he did in Philadelphia.
Hey didn't make the picks, but he put them together.
And you look at where where the Eagles have been
their strength offensive line and defensive line, and I would
think that's the way, you know, the Steelers want to
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go and and need to go. Despite the fact the
offensive line has played very, very well. And I don't
have to tell you guys, Pat Mayer deserves tons and
tons of credit for what the way he has molded
and uh you know um uh changed their their technique
and how they play. And you can't say enough really
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to me the job that Pat Meyer did absolutely, you know, Jerry,
that's one thing when Max and I have both been
you know, giving salutations out to uh, you know, hogline
boss Pat My you know, because I always say fat
is where it's at, and it always starts up front.
And the guys did a great job this year. And
they were just as Max was talking about, coming out
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of training and give them time, give them time, and
certainly they did. But you know, you look at what
do you think is what what's the positi Cause I
don't follow the draft as much as you guys, So
what's the chances of getting a good corner with a
with a pick. You know, well, if that's um, I
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obviously I think you can get one. And you know,
if there's if you know your quote, shutdown corners, the
guys you're just like anything deals rusher, the owner back.
They go in the first five picks, maybe the first
eight if there's a run on quarterbacks. Quarterbacks. Um. So
that's not to say that you can't get a good
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player obviously at eight, and you could get a good
player at number thirty two. But the elite players tend
to be and most of the draft pool tell you this,
the the truly elite players, the guys who are almost
can't miss. Forget quarterbacks because people tend to over evaluate them.
They're usually, like I said, in the top five. Um.
But I don't think there's a question if you can
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draft a quality corner, uh. And you can find a
guy that you can lock down on a top receiver
and let's face it, uh, they struggled with big play
receivers this year, making big plays against them, and the
only time they didn't is because it was Davante Adams.
And look, I'm not going to use the weather as
the excuse and take away from whatever was the they did.
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But Derek Carr missed him target him nine times. I
think he had two catches. He missed him a great
deal in that frigid in that frigid weather. But I
think if you can get that type of corner that
you can lock on somebody now all of a sudden,
you take away half the field if you will, I
think that makes Cam Sutton better and more valuable. Um.
And so to me, I think you they'll be looking
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for a number one corner. And I think the other
thing too here fellas we know, the Steeler's history attracting
cornerbacks has not been very good, unlike wide receivers. But
you have you have to remember now their entire um
uh scouting department or personnel department has been revamped, and
that comes probably a change in philosophy. That's much philosophy,
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that's part of it, but how players are evaluated, and
so you know, maybe evaluations of corners in the past,
you know, Already Burns for example, hasn't been very good.
The evaluation of Already Burns and where did he go?
He went in seventeen eighteen nineteen or something like that,
And so I think the other thing that needs to
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change too with the way the game is played. The
Steelers always like corners who can play the run, physical
corners who could come up to the line of scrimmage.
You know what I ain't the way the games played.
They need corners who can cover and take away the
deep past. So I think you have to change your
philosophy of the type of cornerback you think you need
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as well. So we'll see how that plays out. But
I think those are I think those are big factors.
Uh that you know I have to be considered, and
you know very well could be considered. Well, Thank you
very much, do we. We so appreciate you. There's nothing
like nice Thursday morning with the cool breeze. Thank you
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so much for the whole year. Brother. Yeah. Absolutely, boys,
And you know I always enjoyed not only being on
with your Thursday, but I enjoy being within the booth
before every game. Him and I'll talk to you guys soon.
Have a good offseason. But I'll catch up with you
very soon, I'm sure, Jerry. I have one last question
for a trivia questions. We were talking masters. My good
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buddy Keith Uh sent over a question. Uh, I have
a trivia question for you. Um, where or I should
say which hole is there a palm tree at the Masters?
There's only one? Do you know which hole it is?
Palm tree? Um, No, I don't. It's probably it's probably
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a trick question. But no, I don't know. Whole number four,
whole number four, it's not a question. Is that a
trick question? On? Max? I thought he had a great
trick question here because we're talking about the folies in
the scenery. But so next time you go on on
trip checking out about number four, and I'm gonna go,
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where the hell's that palm tree? Yeah? That that? Or
you're gonna be singing I've got the lovely bunch of
nuts they go about. You'll you'll start you'll start drifting
even further. Yes, as we play come on out Tron
music now into the sunset, it's almost like a wrap
it up. It's almost like the wrap it up box,
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you know, you just hit it and come and wrap
it up. But yeah, I love that music. It's my
ring tone for several of my golfing friends. See there
it is. And so on that note, I'll make sure
that we take this out very nicely and softly. We
want to thank Jerry Doo Lac for all that he's done, um,
not only for us in the locker room, but for
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what he does for the city of Pittsburgh and what
he does covering the Steelers and bringing you this hard
hitting journalism that just get there's just boggles and wonders
the mind. And we know that Jerry wouldn't be here
if it wasn't for our folks over at chupkase To
Cafe down in the historic South Side. If I didn't
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us Jerry doo Lac every week here in the locker room.
And on that note, thank you guys. We're going to
take a break right now and when we come back,
we'll have more here in the locker room with Wolf
and Starks on ESPN and S and R Radio. This
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pick and he throws the pass and it's it accepted
on up chip artur my left turns it up fail
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catch to the party that is tackled at the forty
four yard line by the intended receiver barrow the tight end.
You know, I just can't help but pour a little
sunshine into everybody's soul. When you've got guys like Arthur Mullett,
you know that you talk about a Nati boy, good guys,
spotlight type feature. He's one of these guys that really
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is serious about giving back. Max I love athletes that
take the time to get, you know, down and dirty
in the act of giving back. They pour life into others.
And Arthur Mullett visited the Second Avenue Commons, a shelter
in Pittsburgh's downtown area for those experiencing homelessness, and he
gave out coats and spent time talking to them, and
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just as important, he sat down and just he listened
to And one of the things that you'll find when
you you interact with with homeless folks is they feel
like they're unseen. They feel like, you know, nobody pays
any attention to them. They feel like they've got, you know,
nowhere to go. And when you take the time to
talk with them and listen to them, it really is special.
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And for Arthur Mallette during the course of the season
to take time to you know, go down and share
like that, it's it's amazing. Yeah, no, it is. And
I think that's kind of one of one of the
great things is the charity, right the ability to to
feel that responsibility but also to embody that responsibility of
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of helping those in need. And it's something that you know,
I know all of us are proud of and things
that we've taken part in as players and a former players.
Well if I know you know all the work that
you do with Light of Life Rescue Mission and and
and of course with John Cole's Foundation as well. Um,
you know the its adventures and hold on the adventures
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and there we go ventures in training with the purpose.
Appreciate that, Appreciate that and you know, um and even
for my time in Pittsburgh. You know, I I worked
on we we had Thanksgiving food drives. I worked with
Charlie and his best of the batch projects um that
he does year round. Um, you know, it's it's great
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when guys carry on that legacy of service because it's
much needed. In the platform that guys have, you don't
realize the reach that you have. And also for Cam
Heyward also being the team's Walter Payton Man of the
Year recipient, it's not necessarily for what's seen, it's more
so for the unseen as well. Um, not only what
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is known about, but the things that they just do
out the goodness of their hearts. And those are the
things that make it special. Um. When you don't need
the recognition, you don't seek that recognition, it just happens.
And uh, you know, all the guys, I credit all
of them with all their various foundations and all the
work that they've done. Um. And even you know, hearing
about Damar Hamlin being a local Pittsburgh's son and and
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and going and donating, um, you know in person, like
you said, seeing all the dbs and all their contributions,
I mean, this is just that's what warms your heart.
And those stories we don't cover enough of. But but
we're here in the locker room, Baby, we cover them
here in the locker room because that's what we do.
We go beyond the surf, because we're not superficial. We're deep.
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You know you heard that last commentary, you heard the music.
You know that we could get serious when we need to.
We're nothing if not a fact based show. Gentlemen, there
we go, not think about this. Arthur Millet grew up
in the Lower Ninth Ward in New Orleans, the oldest
of five, two brothers, two sisters, no mother, no father
to speak of in their lives. His grandfather took care
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of them when they were young. For a period of time,
Arthur was homeless. Uh, he was sleeping in a church bus.
You know, he dropped out of school. But now he's
given back. Let me read you a quote what he said.
Anything I do as far as giving back, I want
to be hands on. That is a must for me.
I am a ground guy. I want to be in
the mix. I don't want to just donate and not
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be a helping hand. It means a lot for me
to be there. I will continue to be there with
anything where I am giving back. I salute you, Arthur Mullet.
That is awesome. Your story is awesome, and you are
bigger than your than than what you came up from.
You're just I stand in all. I love when guys
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do that. You know, you know what I'm talking about. No, absolutely,
I mean, this is what you have to do, right,
I mean, this is um you know, it's amazing when
you hear the stories, you know, because just like any
good superhero, right, there's gotta be an origin tale wolf.
Everybody has to has has to be borne out of
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some hardship to make them the tremendous person or being
that they are. And Arthur has a fantastic one. You
think about and when you think about how grounded he
still stays even after you know, after all that, you
you can go a lot of different directions right on
the road when you have those obstacles thrown in your way.
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But what did he do? He just blasted forward, and
I think I think that's what's awesome to hear. And
then what he continues to do and the job that
he's done, I mean, you know, it is a thankless job.
Playing on the slot you know what I'm saying, Well,
like people don't appreciate it. They see they see the
island corners, the man corners. You know, the safety is
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running up and blasting folks and making big play interset shins.
But that that slot guy, that nickel guy, it's oft overlooked,
and he he makes it a focal point, except when
they tackle guys who just picked up the ball or
six plus and yelled charge. For first of all, first
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of all, it hurt him a lot worse than hurting
it dead. There's no doubt about. I just watched that
video over and over, and I'm like, going, he might
have regretted that taking Max down. But I but but
you know what I can always say, I beat Ronniey
Brown and rushing one games. That's all I need. That's
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all I need. You average four yards up his totals. Dady,
you know what I'm saying. I mean, listen, I mean,
for the rest of my life, I can now go
and say, you know what, I outduled a good running back,
a great running back in the NFL at one point
when we were in college. You know, I led my
team and rushing for one game. Who who else can
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say that? What are their lives? School to Max exactly,
I'm just saying I have I averaged four yards of
carrying the sec You know that's just a clip right there.
We better get out of here, Max, because you know
what's coming next. Power. Our time is here. We are
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on the precipice of greatness here in the locker room
once again. But we're gonna step aside, pay some bills,
and when we come back, more Steelers. Actually, of course,
the music and wonderings of Max and Wolf's mind here
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