June 9, 2025 • 40 mins
PTF and JK are back with you with an in-depth conversation about this year's Belmont Stakes Racing Festival at Saratoga with thoughts on Sovereignty, Journalism, Baeza and many of the undercard races.
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PTF and JK engage in a thorough examination of the Belmont Stakes Racing Festival held at Saratoga, delving into the impressive performance of Sovereignty, who triumphed decisively in the Belmont Stakes, achieving a remarkable buyer speed figure of 109. Their discourse also encompasses the noteworthy contributions of Journalism and Baeza, illuminating their respective roles in the racing narrative this year. Throughout the episode, they reflect on the intricacies of the undercard races, providing insights into the strategies and performances that shaped the outcomes. As they analyze the implications of these results, they express a sense of satisfaction with the current state of the Triple Crown, emphasizing the significance of the rivalries that have emerged. This episode promises to enrich the listener's understanding of the racing landscape, as they navigate the complexities of this celebrated event in equestrian sport.
PTF and JK are back with you with an in-depth conversation about this year's Belmont Stakes Racing Festival at Saratoga with thoughts on Sovereignty, Journalism, Baeza and many of the undercard races.
Takeaways:
- The Belmont Stakes showcased Sovereignty's remarkable performance, establishing him as a potential superstar in the horse racing world.
- The discussions surrounding the decisions made by Godolphin regarding Sovereignty's racing schedule raised important questions about horse management and legacy.
- The rivalry between Sovereignty and Journalism has the potential to shape the future of horse racing narratives and outcomes.
- Baeza's performance in the Belmont Stakes highlighted the complexities of racing dynamics and competition among elite horses.
- The emotional weight of Miguel Clement's first win as a trainer was a poignant reminder of personal connections in the sport.
- The Belmont Stakes results reaffirmed the significance of analyzing race dynamics and the impact of training decisions on outcomes.
Links referenced in this episode:
- horsetourneys.com
- horseplayers.com
- twinspires.com
- twinspires.com
- twinspires.com
- twinspires.com
- youtube.com
- 10strikeracing.com
- inthemoneypodcast.com
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Monmouth Park
- horsetourneys.com
- horseplayers.com
- Twinspires.com
- Godolphin
- Coolmore
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Hello and welcome to the inthe Money Players Podcast.
This is our show for Monday,June 9th.
Post Belmont Stakes PTF backwith you in the Brooklyn Bunker.
Once again, a little onesegment show where we're going to
go back and talk about theracing from this weekend.
We've got content up onYouTube that will remain YouTube
exclusive.
Looking ahead to the Traversover there.
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Also, Nick Tamro gives you histhoughts on what we saw.
I'm very eager to hear thisman's thoughts.
We've chatted a little bitabout the weekend but not in too
much depth yet.
And I'm just, I just had arandom memory back to seven years
ago we did this equivalentshow from God.
It was a, it was a co workingspace in California.
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We must have been out theredoing some work working on the TV
show and we somehow snuck intoa co working space and I think we
had to sneak out.
Look how far we've come now inour big professional studios.
John of the Kitchen Any, anymemory of what I'm talking about?
I'm trying to remember whatwere we doing in California.
We would have been cutting theWorld Horseplayer Tour pilot and
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and I think the night we likeflew out either the night of the
Belmont or the next morningand it was, it was the justify year
and yeah, we ended up in a coworking space in like Santa Monica.
Doesn't you.
No memory.
Yes.
I think it was like a we workspace and there was a glass, like
a little glass kind of cubicleoffice looking things.
Exactly.
Yeah, I do remember that but I.
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Also remember that we sneakingout but I don't think it's not like
we didn't want to pay.
There was something weirdthough that was of kind going on.
What I remember about thattrip is when we thought we were,
we thought we were smartstaying in that Airbnb in Venice
and it was nice and fun andcool and interesting and then we
go to bed and we look out thewindow and there is a.
We are in the midst of a fullon homeless camp.
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Yes, yes, it was, it was notthe most comfortable night of sleep
I've had.
But yeah, we had to dosomething about that.
I, I think we did end upgiving her a five star rating though
which, which you know, maybewe need to look at ourselves in the
mirror about that.
But.
All right, enough nonsense.
Let's get into the, the meatof this we talked about a little
bit over on the YouTube video.
Sovereignty.
He wins the Belmont Stakes.
He does so in imperious fashion.
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He runs a huge buyer speedfigure in the process.
Was it 109?
Something like that?
I'll double check but I justwant to first and foremost, let's
give flowers to the winnerhere and then we'll get into the
Nitty gritty.
He was sensational.
He was absolutely sensational.
The way that he just camerolling down the middle of the track.
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He, he just, you know, he's,it's one of those deals where I've
said this about this TripleCrown which, and, and I, I have no
problem telling you the onesthat annoy me.
I hate results that arestupid, that don't make sense.
I hated that.
Rich strike one.
I love Kenny McPeak but Ihated that Mystic Dan won.
Like there are annoyingresults to me that don't make sense.
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And we spend so much timetrying to find the right result.
We spend months and months andmonths and when you get the wrong
result, it just feels likesuch a waste of time.
This Triple Crown did not feelthat way.
The way that Sovereignty ranin the derby with journalism and
Baeza running second.
The way that Journalism ran inthe pness and the way that you got
the same trifecta in, in theBelmont Stakes.
I, I just, I, I, I, I feltsatisfied And I think Sovereignty
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has the chance to be a superstar.
And I would tell you this as well.
The idea that they werethinking career and skipped the Preakness,
they better keep that sameenergy next January when they.
When it's time to.
To point to his 20, 264 yearold year.
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Because, man, how good couldhe end up being?
It was a 109 buyer.
It's a great point.
And I mean, the finances are alittle different when you're Godolphin.
The most successful globalbreeding place there is outside of.
You know, I don't want tooffend my Irish friends here.
We'll throw Coolmore a shout,too, but, I mean, the rules financially
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are different for them.
It probably went into thedecision to skip the Preakness.
And I mean, assuming the horseis healthy, I would be very surprised
to not see him run at 4.
Now.
It's the difficult questionportion of the show.
We've got a way back machine.
We're going back to the dayafter the Kentucky Derby, Sovereignty
announces he's going to be going.
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Well, Sovereignty doesn't makeany announcements.
He allows the humans aroundhim to make the announcements that.
That they are going to go to Baltimore.
Sovereignty runs in the Preakness.
Does he win part one?
Yes.
Yeah, I mean, I think so.
You don't even need to thinkabout that one.
And I mean, especially the.
Well, look, I.
I do believe that the.
The two horses are a lotcloser than I think the two results
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are.
I do think that Journalism isreally damn good.
I do think that race dynamicshave gotten journalism in their two
meetings.
I think that if you.
I really, truly believe, ifyou reverse the roles where Sovereignty
makes the lead andJournalism's running at him, I do
believe it's possible thatthere could be different outcomes.
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And I don't want to take thataway from Sovereignty because that's
not what I'm trying to do.
I just think that you look at.
Look at Journalism's raceswhere he's been able to run something
down.
He goes and gets it.
Now he.
Now he might not be able to goget Sovereignty, but I do think it
could be a little bit.
At least a little bit different.
No, I.
I think, yeah.
I mean, so what Sovereigntyshowed in the two matchups against
Journalism, he wins all three.
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Okay, well, that you'vealready anticipated, question three,
which was, okay, we're stillin that fictional world.
He went to Baltimore.
He won there.
Does he still win the Belmont?
You've answered it.
You think he would have wonthe Triple Crown round?
Yeah.
I don't think.
Yeah, I mean, he worked thatday, he worked the day of, he, he,
he breathes the day of the Preakness.
Now I think that Bill was justbeing conservative and I think that,
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I think that in, in fairnessbecause of Godolphin's financial
situation, which I've alwaysthought that they, they are legacy
chasers.
So I've always thought that,that in sportsman.
So I always thought the TripleCrown would weigh high for Sheikh
Muhammad, but I think whatweighs high for Sheikh Mohammed is
just winning a lot of racesand having a career and, and in fact
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legacy and that's doesn't meananything to him.
He wanted to win a Derby, hewon a Derby, and who cares if he
wins the Preakness?
I, I guess.
Well, how about this, jk?
Don't you think a race likethe Dubai World cup might have an
outsized importance to him?
I think it means a lot to him.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it'samongst his peers with, with, with,
with relatives and, and, and,and other big players in the Middle
east and, and I would imaginethat matters very much to him.
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So I would think that, that,that, that, that, that was a decision
they just didn't feel like wasthe best decision and whatever.
I think it's a unique situation.
I think that it needed to be aDerby winner trained by Bill Mott
and owned by Sheikh Muhammadand Godolphin for the, for the Preakness
to be skipped.
And I think that, that movingforward, this is not going to become
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a trend because otheroperations aren't going to make that
very unique decision.
Okay, so we had, I don't knowif you got to hear the pro players
show this year.
The host was sober this time,by the way, but Duke Matisse very
outspoken in his criticism ofMott, Godolphin saying that they,
you know, that he, he believedthat he would have been a Triple
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Crown winner and, and thatthey basically cost the sport what
could have been, not just areally memorable great running of
the Belmont, but an absoluteall timer over the weekend.
I can see his point.
You know, I mean, I'm not, atthe end of the day, this is one where
I'm just going to hold boththoughts in my head that, yeah, it
kind of sucks for racing thatwe didn't get to see that.
But at the end of the day forme, I'm not going to sit here and
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question, you know, one of thethings we've been talking about since
probably the first ever in theMoney players podcast Bill Mott with
the target and how effectivethat is.
I mean I, I simply think it's.
Call me a fence sitter, sayI'm going to get splinters in my
ass, whatever you want to say,but I'm, that's where I'm sitting
on this one.
That both things are true.
Yeah.
Kind of sucks.
We might have had, well havehad a Triple Crown winner, but I'm
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not going to, I'm not going topillory connections involved because
as you say, unique set of circumstances.
What do you, what would yousay to those who are upset?
And there are plenty, it's notjust Duke.
There are plenty of them,people who are upset and are taking
this Belmont result and, andreally one of their top reactions
to it is that's great.
But what might have been?
Well, because this is myhonest feel of it, because sovereignty
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is not a.
He's a four legged animal, nota four wheeled car or whatever.
He's a living, breathing thing.
I, I would like to feel, Iwould like to just defer to a hall
of fame trainer in which I dohave trust in as being one of the
good guys.
If for whatever reason he feltlike this was what was best for his
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four legged animal that he isresponsible for, I will always defer
to that.
But I do think it's disappointing.
I do think that it's frustrating.
If it was.
I'm a little frustrated thatthe decision wasn't at least considered.
It was.
Sounds like, I mean it waslike a flip it.
No, immediately.
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I wish that if he would havemade the decision on Monday or Tuesday.
I feel like I have a tiredhorse and I want to protect him.
I wouldn't, wouldn't bother meat all.
It's the, the one thing thatbothers me is the timing in which
the decision was made.
But ultimately I will sidewith him.
And the decision that he madefor the living and breathing animal,
it also.
Could be that his hands were tied.
I mean this could have been aGodolphin operation.
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I don't, I don't, I just, Idon't, I don't think Godolphin's
operation has gotten to whereit's gotten to because Sheikh Muhammad
and the executives make the decisions.
I think they hire a goodhorsemen and they let their horsemen
train their horses.
That's what, that's why theyare who they are and what they are.
Because we've seen powerfuloperations who meddle what happens.
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You know what I'm saying?
I don't think that's I don't know.
That's who they are.
Perfect verb.
No.
And you're right.
I mean, I'm hosting a podcast,so I throw some ideas out there and
some stick and some don't.
That one did not stick.
Let's talk about journalism.
So it's really interestingbecause I still don't have pace figures
for the race, but I do have the.
I've looked closely at theinternal sectionals.
Now, watching the race, it didfeel to me.
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I was happy with.
With where Risoli was.
I was happy he went on with itand just tried to get Sovereignty
off the bridle.
But the second the race wasover, I wasn't questioning the ride
because it's the ride I'd beenasking for in the ride that I wanted.
Right.
I mean, I'm not going to say,oh, he should have stayed down inside
the whole time.
We'd all said, that's not whatyou do on journalism.
So I'm not questioning the ride.
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But having said that, itlooked like he did move kind of wide.
He moved into what looked likea fast pace and maybe.
Maybe moved.
Maybe moved too early.
Maybe Sovereignty got a littlebit the better of dynamics.
But I'll tell you what, whenyou look at those sectionals, I mean,
Sovereignty is ahead of himearly, for one thing.
I mean, Sovereignty just did ahell of a lot of running in this
race.
Better race than the Derby,not just in terms of final time,
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but in terms of the way thathe earned it.
We were talking at a greatquestion in the YouTube comments.
I wish I could remember thename of the commenter, but he was
asking me.
I was talking about, like, thedefinition of what I see as a complete.
And basically what I meant isa race where a horse is doing.
Running basically early,middle and late, that produces a.
Obviously then necessarilywould have to produce a good final
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time.
Its.
Sovereignty really ran acomplete race because even though,
I mean, journalism did makethat move, when you look at these
sectionals and you.
Especially when you look atthe 2363 Sovereignty came home in,
I just don't.
I think you're right.
And I made a similar pointwith Nick that he's not.
He's a little closer toSovereignty than this bare result
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suggests.
But there's just no waySovereignty was losing this horse
race.
As I look at this chart.
Yeah, I don't.
I mean, yeah, yeah, I.
I don't disagree with that,but I do wonder what the f.
What it would have looked likeif the.
If.
If Junior goes.
If Junior moves a Little earlyand then he strikes the front and
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then journalism can then runat him.
I, I don't know.
I agree with you the way thathe ran.
He ran like a, like a, like anabsolute monster.
And, but I've seen journalismdo the same.
I'm just curious what wouldhappen in that scenario.
He did an incredible job bybeing as into the teeth of the pace
early as he was.
I mean, at the quarter mileinto the race, he's, he's second
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ahead to Rodriguez.
I don't know if that wasdeliberately prompting him so he
didn't get loose out of a fearof him or what, what was going on,
but he settled the horse innicely where then he's in by the
half.
He's, he's behind journalism.
So.
I know, I hear what you're saying.
And I mean, I think my, as Ithink about it, if I'm raiding this
race and I'm going to rate,I'll do it in ability figure terms.
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If I'm going to rateSovereignty as basically the full
109 coming out of here, Imight rate journalism like a 107.
You know what I mean?
Like, yeah, it's kind ofacademic at that point.
But I tell you what, I do wishhappened and I, and I, and I haven't
seen it yet, maybe I'm wrong.
I wish that the, theinteraction between Umberto Jr.
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Sovereignty and journalism onthe backside after the race was captured
with a photo.
And I worry that there's nocameras back there, the still photos
back there, to have capturedit because describe what.
Happened for those who didn't see.
Yeah, it was like, it was a,it was an, you know, they kind of
came up to each other afterthe race, you know, like kind of
like a post race interview.
You'll see with Maggie or, or Donna.
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Brothers still on horseback.
Yep.
Yeah, still on horseback.
And basically the two ridersembraced, but then they both, they
both showed love andaffection, patting the other's horse,
Junior petting Journalism andUmberto recognizing sovereignty.
I, I mean, it's good look forthe sport, right?
Yeah, it was cool, man.
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It was, it was really cool.
And then the, the, the,there's a shot.
I did see this still imageMichael McCarthy and Bill Mott having
a conversation after the race.
It's, it's, it's, it's a, it'sa beautiful thing.
It was, there was a lot ofclass shown on Belmont Day, that's
for sure.
We'll talk by AA and thenwe're gonna, we'll lightning through,
feel bad I, these racesprobably deserve two hours.
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We're gonna give this show 30.
But hey, that's.
That's life in the big city.
We do have to talk Baeza first.
We talked about him prettyextensively in the YouTube video.
I thought he was going to beoff the board with the way he was
pulling early.
Thought he ran very well to be third.
Tell me if I'm wrong.
I probably rate Paeza, whogets 100 here after his 102 in the
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dirt in the derby.
I probably rate him equal assome of the recent derby winners
you were talking about whenyou weren't so thrilled with the
results.
I feel like Baeza is like, atthat sort of Mystic Dan Rich strike
level, and he had sort of themisfortune of being in the crop with
these two with.
But to Baez's credit, you canjust see so much room for improvement.
What if he ever stops acting a fool?
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Yeah, he was born in the wrongyear, that guy.
You know, just.
You ran into these two monsters.
You know, you toss him intoto, to, to a couple of, a couple
of derbies.
And I, I, I think you, you geta winner out of him and, and we'll
see if he can kind of justkind of get it all together and to
grow up.
You know, I said in that othervideo, just kind of like a, it's
kind of like that, thattalented kid with like, the granola
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parents.
Just kind of like they'reletting them figure it out on their
own, man.
You know, like that deal.
John Sheriffs is not a hippie,by the way.
But I, I, I.
You said John Sheriffs?
Yeah, he's not a hippie.
I mean, I asked him why he moved.
Yeah, because I asked him whyhe moved to California from Long
island, and he said to be a surfer.
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Oh, I love Pretty hippie.
I mean, that's pretty.
He's.
He's a cool Cali cat.
But I still think the image ofhim, like, listening to the Grateful
Dead eating granola, I'm not,I'm not 100.
Sure.
But you know better than me.
But I, I do think, well, thatwe, we.
We recorded a car talk.
We didn't air it because wewere just so jammed up, but we'll
probably air it in the summer.
It was evergreen.
It had nothing to do with Baeza.
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It was about other stuff.
It's pretty good.
But he's.
No, but I do think that he isone that lets his horse just be a
horse.
Yes.
And he likes.
He said.
I think he even said it.
I don't know if it'll make the interview.
I believe he said he likes tolet his horses kind of train themselves.
He actually said that?
That's so funny because I usedthat line about him and then I like
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felt like, oh my God, I'msaying something like he might like,
I don't want to make JohnSheriff's mad.
So if he actually said that,that makes me feel so much better.
He likes to let them trainthemselves to a certain extent, you
know, which, which, you know,I think is, is, is, is very interesting.
It's an approach, that's for sure.
And he's had great successwith it.
So I'm not gonna sit here andquestion him.
But it does make him feelexceedingly unlikely to have success
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on the Triple Crown trail.
And he showed us wrong becausehe's done it multiple times, including
this year with Baeza, whocould have won the damn thing in
another year.
Just also to your pointbefore, about how satisfying this
Triple Crown feels as somebodywho covers racing, couldn't agree
more.
Where are we?
Look, we love, we both getknocked unfairly, I think for supposedly
picking favorites all the time.
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We pick long shots whenthey're logical long shots that we
like.
But when it comes to theclassics, we like formful.
We like things that can be explain.
I mean Mage, perfect example.
Nice long shot.
We said loads of great thingsabout him.
Doesn't make you like go and,and scratch your head and, and say,
oh, there were three horses inthe race who were better than him.
Anyway, I'm ranting so let'smove on.
Somebody, somebody on Twittermade fun of me for, for picking fierceness
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on the Fox show and sayingthat I think he's the best horse
in training.
Like I've said much like crazier.
I've said much crazier stuffthan that.
I've, I've, I've bet, I've betto win significantly shorter priced
horses than that.
But like the fact is when itcome for me for betting fierceness
in the Met Mile as if I wassome sort of like blasphemous horse
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players, horse player ghostsare going to haunt me for the rest
of my life or doing somethingso horrible is like the funniest
thing in the world to me.
People are so weird.
He probably is overall on hisbest day the fastest horse.
Let's go to that race actually.
And there's definitelyinteresting figure conversations
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to, to have on this onebecause the, the, the figure maker
they, they've been buyer'sbeen all all over the place Now I'm
seeing them a new figure thatI hadn't seen before put in Formulator.
I'll just give you the whole.
We'll give you the whole spiel.
But here's the thing, Wilton.
The, the, the shoot races, theWilson shoot races are weird.
I don't think fierceness washelped in any way, shape or form.
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Buy it.
He also has been known to runa dud from time to time.
This was a situation where itwas hard.
I, I liked him, too.
He was my top pick in the race.
The closer we got to the race,I did back off a little bit just
because of the unusualcircumstances and some of the strong
field against him.
So right now in the chart, itlooks like they're going with an
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unadjusted figure where theyhave Raging Torrent at a 106 and
fierceness at a 102.
At some point yesterday, thosenumbers were 10, 12 points lower.
So I guess they're just stilltrying to figure it out.
My best guess is the real.
The, the number that I'm goingto rate the race at is in between
the two numbers that have beenposted so far.
Anyway, let's talk aboutRaging Torrent.
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It's, it's, it's impossible.
You cannot get caught up, inmy opinion, on figures for the day,
if you think about it, becausewe had a driving rainstorm in the
middle of, you know, to startthe day.
And then you have to thinkthat the entire day, the track, the
focus of Glenn Kozak and theteam, was to try to get this racetrack
to be fast by the time theBelmont ran.
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And so the.
All the races in between, Ithink, probably got caught in that
process.
Interesting.
And so, like, I just don't.
I don't.
I don't think.
I just don't.
And like, how do you make thefigure considering the gaps in between
races?
I mean, I don't know thetiming, but there's a, you know,
how do you make, like, how doyou make the figure with, with, with
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Fierceness?
Think about it.
There was Fierceness, right?
Then there are fiercest andenraging Torrent.
Then there was the weird turfrace, the Penine Ridge, that you're
having a bunch of turf horsesrunning on the dirt.
So how do you measure thatfigure to know what they were supposed
to run based on the time touse those in comparison?
Then you have another longbreak into the one turn, Woody Stevens
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with a dip with a racetrackthat's significantly different than
what you saw with Fiercenessan hour and a half before that.
I just, I, you know, I just.
I wouldn't get carried awaywith the figures.
I.
You have to just.
You gotta.
You.
I wouldn't.
That's not something.
That's not a game I'm playing much.
Yeah.
How are you rating?
Give me your thoughts onRaging Torrent.
We got to give him his props.
And then picked by Nick Tamarapicked by Andy Sterling, too.
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I think he's really good.
Yeah.
Let's talk about him.
And then let's talk about howwe rate Raging Torrent Fiercest going
forward with.
Yeah.
That we.
Especially with the figure confusion.
Yeah.
Raging Torrent's really good.
And fiercest is going to winthe Whitney.
Raging Torrent will go toCalifornia and he'll win both sprints
that he runs in out there.
I would imagine that's whatthey'll do with him.
I don't imagine they're goingto keep him.
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I feel like this is the distance.
This is the ceiling for him.
I also think from like, youknow, I don't know, do they want
to run in the two turn dirtmile or do they want to treat him
more as.
As being that kind of gutsyfinishing type sprinter?
I'm not sure what Doug andthem and the team will do, but the
ownership group I know has alot of ties to Del Mar.
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If I'm not mistaken, CraigDado, who used to run Del Mar, is.
Is.
Is listed as part of theownership group.
That horse is going to stay inCalifornia for the rest of the summer.
I would imagine there's noreal reason to bring him back here
for the forego.
I suppose they could, butlike, you know, why not just grade
ones in the backyard.
Yeah, yeah.
The Bing Crosby or the.
Or, you know, whatever.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
But I guess there's a world inwhich they could try to.
To mile him there.
But I just.
But I don't why, from astallion making standpoint to me
winning the.
You've already won the MetMile, so why not then win the sprint?
And now you're like.
To me that's more of a.
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You have more of an argumentto be a stallion who's raging towards.
It's somebody weird, isn't it?
His breeding is by Maximus Mischief.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think that counts as weird.
Yeah.
He.
Yeah, they ran in the sprintlast year.
Beaten.
Beaten like six.
But you know, that was a.
It was.
It was tough.
We'll see how the sprint looksthis year.
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Already has that Pat o' Briengrade two last year.
You would.
You'd think they wouldn't mindGoing back to that won the grade
one in the Malibu.
I mean, he's a very impressive horse.
Yeah.
Or.
Or you could do somethingcompletely crazy and then you do
bring him back to the scene ofthe crime and you run him in the
mile on an eighth Whitney andsee what.
See who he really is and ifthat's what he really wants to do.
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And now you're sitting on.
Now you're sitting on horse ofthe year type stuff.
If you could pull that off.
Very interesting, ambitious plan.
I have a feeling your firstthought will end up being the best
thought.
You've already tipped yourhand on fierceness.
You think this race, even ifyou give the best possible figure
you could give, this was anunderperformance by fierceness.
But do you think that.
I mean, are you.
Am I wrong to be a little bitquestioning, slash dismissive of
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the form of a Wilson Shootrace run in such unusual ground conditions
from a horse who's been knownto have off races and bounce back
before?
I think we just evaluate himoff the previous race when we're
talking about him in the Whitney.
Yeah.
Because I think.
So here's what I would say.
I would tell people, well, Ihope people do do this.
I hope people do question him.
He had one bad race in hislast five, and it was on a sloppy
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racetrack when he was drawn tothe inside and he had to get into
a little bumping match to tryto get off of the inside of the rail
on the Wilson Shoot on asloppy, weird racetrack.
Okay.
His other performances, hislast four performances prior to that
were a track, basically atrack record in the.
In the.
In the Ali Sheba off of a longlayoff, blazing fractions in which
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he held on and ran arguablythe better race in the Breeders Cup
Classic and the Travers andthe Jim Dandy like it.
So you can't.
I would.
I would consider those fourraces significantly more than this
one.
Yep.
Let's move on to talk aboutthe Woody Stevens.
Patch Adams does the business.
Lots of us on the networkreally like this horse.
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Again, clock, trickyevaluator, given everything did come
up as a career best for him.
But that's only a 99.
How much more do you thinkPatch Adams has to give?
Is he.
Is he your he.
I, I would assume is going tobe a favorite at this point for the
Jerkins on the Travers undercard.
Am I correct in that?
And how much do you like Patch Adams?
Are you fully converted?
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No, I'm not fully converted.
I liked him that day.
I think he was the most Likelyprobably winner of the group.
I try to get cute.
I mean, I picked Neo Equus on tv.
He doesn't.
I like him.
I like him.
He ran well, but he doesn'tfeel like the dominant leader of
that division.
He's, you know, he's.
He's one of those horses thatif he gets a little bit of a tougher
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trip and someone gets a littlebit of a better trip, I could see
him getting beat.
So.
Good horse, deserving winner.
But I'm not, you know, I'm notgoing to fly to London to get a bet
down, you know, for a futureof the.
Of the Jerkins.
I'm flying to London onThursday, by the way.
Get ready.
We're going to have loads ofRoyal Ascot coverage once again.
That reminds me.
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Need to reach out to Nick and Vanessa.
We got to get something funfor the YouTube channel about that.
Disappointments of the raceinclude Chancellor McPatrick and
Neo Equus.
Did you see any hard luckstories, anything that you're going
to be taking with you whenthese horses appear the next time?
I think Chancellor McPatrickis the eighth grader that could shave.
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And now we're in ninth gradeand people are caught up.
I think.
I think it's not unreasonable.
What about your pick and ahorse that I gave a nice shout to
too.
Not to throw you under the bus.
Neo Equus.
Any reason for that disappointment?
No.
Just.
Just wasn't there, you know,he just wasn't there.
I don't know if it took toomuch out of him.
You know, it was a.
It was a.
It was a.
Andy always says this, youknow, with his craps talk, but it's
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like it's.
It was, you know, it was a comeb.
It was.
It was hoping for something tohappen and I was going to get paid
if I was right.
You know what I mean?
But he doesn't.
He.
He never.
He had no excuse, in my opinion.
Let's move on to the action.
On Sunday.
We will start.
We're going to.
We're going to end with.
With what I probably, onemight argue I should have led with.
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So we'll go right to.
We'll go right to the Jiperwhere Ag Bullet does the business.
What a beautiful trip.
And ride here.
101 buyer speed.
Figure she beats the boys inimpressive fashion.
Well found in the market atjust odds of over 5 to 2.
What did you think about thiseffort and anything else to take
out of the race?
Yeah, I mean, I thought.
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I thought the race was.
Was was really about her.
And Think Big.
I thought Think Big was goingto really move up with the soft ground.
Had a little bit of trouble.
She's good.
You know, I think she's really good.
I think she's, she's.
And she's also pretty versatile.
You know, a horse that can,that can go a little bit further.
I would imagine she'll go lookfor a big payday as a Grade one winner.
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A big payday and in.
In Kentucky Downs.
Yeah.
And then we'll see her withprobably another Breeders cup appearance
out in California.
I don't know how the flatfives and a fit her.
I think she's probably bettera little bit further but she's definitely
a talented one and maybe evenone that that'd be worth the experiment.
I just don't know when theywould get it to see because she's
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run well going longer.
Maybe there's a world in whichthey can, they can try to see if
she wants to, to, to, to tryto find her way around a mile she's
not gonna have to deal withshe feels pretty who's gonna probably
go a little bit further andmaybe she can kind of sneak around
that female division and, andfind herself in a race like the mileage.
But I would imagine as a Gradeone winner sprinting, they'll probably
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keep her there.
They've also got the gradewith that Grade one matriarch that
she almost won last year as apotential grade 1 mile target that
I'm sure would do wonders forher value if she could go a couple
of spots better.
I'll take your Think Big had alittle trouble and say he lost all
chance at the break.
I would, you know, sometimeswhen they break poorly it is an indicator
that the form is going down.
But if this horse comes backand works well, I would expect him
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to bounce back.
Just felt to me like he wastaken out of his game completely
and never recovered.
Am I giving him too much leeway?
No.
And, and, and not every, notevery, you know, soft ground course
is the same.
That horse has been veryconsistent and, and I think he'll
bounce back and, and you know,I'm never going to fall fully in
love with like a late runningturf sprinter, but he certainly has
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a reason to run better next time.
Yeah.
And he's got the kind of finalnumbers who as you've explained on
these airwaves many times makehim a legitimate threat.
Despite that lack of speed.
When you can hit the 100 onthe buyer feed feed spear speed figure
scale that's always a possibility.
The other one I'll throw outthere is let's get Copala going.
Five furlongs on firm groundand see how he does.
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Do you agree?
You.
Are you tired of the act atthis point?
Yeah.
Five furlongs.
Yeah.
Firm ground.
I mean, he's the type of horsethat he.
That's what he needs.
I'm very surprised that DaleRandom, to be fair.
He's.
He was on the, you know, wetalk about, you know, the.
The.
The five races in three weeksfor journalism.
He was on that same.
He was on that same schedule.
Yeah, same schedule.
We'll see what happens.
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Definitely a horse I'm keepingan eye on for our friends over there
at Sport of Kings Racing.
Let's talk about the story,the line.
I.
I tweeted it.
I said it on a show yesterday,but I'll say it again.
Got real dusty in the bunker.
Jk When Deterministic held onfor Miguel Clement and the Clement
team in the race that weclosed out the weekend with the Manhattan.
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Your thoughts?
I mean, look, it was a lotthis week, you know, seeing Miguel
get his first win.
And he's.
Look, Miguel's a.
He's a.
He's a hard exterior.
He.
He's.
He's sarcastic.
He's.
You know, I would even sayhe's a little like, you know, you
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might even misinterpretsomething he says to you from time
to time because of that sarcasm.
And he just.
There was so much humility andgratitude and appreciation and pain
on his face after his first win.
It was.
It really.
It did something to me.
It was, you know, as you and Iboth have lost our fathers, it just.
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I just realized all these emotions.
But when you lost your fatherand I lost mine, I didn't have to.
I wasn't thrust into thespotlight of, like, replacing him
immediately.
Yes.
The next day.
Never missed a day of work, apparently.
Yeah.
And, like, that part of it wasjust, like, wild to me and, And,
And, And.
And my love for Acacia,obviously, and the impact that had
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on her family.
It was fun to see him get his way.
His first win and then hissecond win and then in a race that
was obviously so important forhis father and, and, and honestly,
like, for.
For me, like, when I thinkManhattan, the most important Manhattan
of my life was.
Was Winchester's Manhattan,trained by Kristoff Clement and.
And the.
Like to.
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To.
To.
To see Deterministic.
How much I love Deterministic.
Anyways, shout out to ourfriends at Lane's in.
And then Liam's Liam's map.
And then also, you know,Kendrick and the post game, post.
He was so good, wasn't he?
You know, we, we our dad, we both.
Because Kendrick lost his father.
And our daddies are.
It's just like they was just.
Everything was right,everything was perfect.
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I loved everything about it.
And it's, it's one of manygrade ones for Miguel Clement.
And this is the last thingI'll say about it, is that I've had
a lot of friends, not a lot.
I've had friends who havesince, like lost a parent.
And the one thing that helpedme through that whole process, and
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this is the same thing I toldMiguel, is that I found comfort when
my dad passed in knowing thatI was proud of him and that he was
proud of me.
Like, I got.
I found comfort in thegrieving process and, and the fact
that he was gone through thatand this weekend in that moment is
like clearly that for Miguel.
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I know he was proud of himself.
I know his father was proud of him.
And like that made me feellike it was a perfect end to what
we've been going through orthey've been going through.
The industry's been goingthrough like the last 10 days.
I guarantee he felt his dad'shand on his shoulder in that winter
circle.
The same way sometimes whenI'm on here, I'll feel dad's hand
(33:52):
on my shoulder.
He never got to know that Ieventually ended up making my living
with my voice just like he did.
But you feel them in the room sometimes.
And I know you know that.
And that's where we'll leavethe discussion of the Manhattan.
We'll leave the formimplications of which there are some
for when these horses run back.
I don't want to spoil any ofit talking about that.
We'll leave that part there.
Any funny stories from the weekend?
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I do know a person that, thatthought they were betting $100 trifecta
and accidentally bet $1,000 trifecta.
I hope the bet hit.
Thought they were going to get$18,000 or got 180.
So that's a good surprise.
And it was, it wasn't me oranyone that close to me, but did
hear that story.
So I thought horse playerswould find that one.
You know, we, we.
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Everyone knows about a Miss Punch.
That one worked out.
I've never had a Miss Punch goin my favor ever, let alone to the
tune of.
Of a buck fifty.
Yeah, no, that was, that was it.
Shout out to our friendAnthony Matera.
He, he, he won a horse Tourneycontest for.
For over a 100.
So that was cool.
Shout out to Matty.
Matt Miller of black type thoroughbreds.
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Our friend Jake Ballis's.
They're not married, butbasically Mary.
Life partners.
Partners.
And she.
She won the.
She won the Nair Bets Belmont contest.
I think something like 4500.
She was down to 4500.
Bet it on.
Bet it on Patch Adams and thencame back and bet 18,000 on.
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On sovereignty.
But the funny part about the18,000 she bet on Sovereignty is
her.
Her husband.
Partner, Jake.
Jake, like journalism.
And so like, that was thehousehold divided where she.
She fired away the other way.
And.
And now we know who the smartone is in that operation.
That's fantastic.
Well, for one thing, I know.
I now know who.
Who's buying the first jug ofpims when I see those two at Ask
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it next week.
So that's.
That's good information.
And I'm just going to go aheadand say this here.
I.
Not a beard.
Not a.
I've had six people say, oh,is this a beard?
Not a beard.
She bit the horses.
She's.
She's really good folks.
And.
And she got the job done.
So congrats to Maddie.
That was fantastic.
So between Maddie and theother friend of yours, I did hear
a rumor about somebody pickingup dinner for an entire restaurant
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in downtown Saratoga on one ofthose nights.
I'm assuming it was one of them.
No, it was actually JonStewart of Resolute Racing at.
I wasn't there.
But on Friday night at Salivo.
Paid for the.
Paid for the.
Everyone in there.
Sorry, I've got it.
We talked earlier at the topof the show about how you can hold
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two simultaneous thoughts inyour head at the same time.
I'll close the show withanother one.
Incredibly generous.
What a gesture.
Also an example of you havetoo much money if.
Hey, whatever it takes.
Whatever it takes.
Oh, great stuff.
Any closing thoughts from you,jk, before we send this one home?
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No, it was a good Triple Crown.
You know, I want to thank ourfriends, you know, at DK Horse for,
you know, supporting all thevideos, all the content we did.
You know, it helped when youhave someone behind you to.
To pump out all that content.
And that was.
We are appreciative for that.
It was a great Triple Crown season.
Like I said, it's a rewarding one.
I feel good about it.
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I feel good about the outcome,and I haven't given up.
I.
I do believe we still have arivalry between journalism and sovereignty,
but there's just One horsethat's absolutely winning the rivalry
currently so but you know.
It'S a long diminish arrivalwhere you look at horse racing history
and you look at the, the headto heads between Sunday Silence and
Easy Goer or Ali Dar and Affirmed.
(37:26):
The one makes the other greater.
Even if one has the edge inthe head to head matchups.
Travers, is that where we'regoing to see them face off again?
Potentially.
I mean fingers crossed.
Knock knock knock.
Yeah, I would think so.
I mean I, you know sovereigntyis going to point to that and, and
I would imagine journalismwill do the same.
I suppose there's a world inwhich journalism could try to get
cheeky and classic go to.
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No, I, I would think maybethe, you know, the Haskell, but you
know, but I don't know,they're a sporting group.
Bob Lanta, Eclipse, Don,Alberto Bridalwood.
I would imagine they'd like toget another run at him because look,
there's still a horse of the year.
I mean a horse of the year onthe line.
There's still a three year oldof the year on the line, right?
I mean if journalism turns thetables, wins the Travers, turns the
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table, wins the Classic.
Now suddenly we got aconversation for three old of the
year.
So I think it's still up thereand a head to head against sovereignty
is going to be needed, that'sfor sure.
Oh yeah, no doubt about it.
Great stuff from you jk.
Much appreciated.
You mentioned thanking a sponsor.
I'll throw in a thank you toour friends over twinspires.com who
we continue to do a lot ofstuff for.
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Thanks.
Thank you so much to everybodyfor listening.
I'll move that around in myusual goodbyes to to put it now was
so great getting to run intosome listeners, some viewers if all
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Really so fun getting to seeso many people in person and can't
wait to be back up there soonin a month's time.
Just got this little trip toEngland in the middle of it.
Who else will we thank?
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I somehow managed to not seeany of the 10 strike partners or
over the weekend but it wasgood to know that Marshall and many
of the crew were there.
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Hello and welcome to the inthe Money Players Podcast.
This is our show for Monday,June 9th.
Post Belmont Stakes PTF backwith you in the Brooklyn Bunker.
Once again, a little onesegment show where we're going to
go back and talk about theracing from this weekend.
We've got content up onYouTube that will remain YouTube
exclusive.
Looking ahead to the Traversover there.
(01:56):
Also, Nick Tamro gives you histhoughts on what we saw.
I'm very eager to hear thisman's thoughts.
We've chatted a little bitabout the weekend but not in too
much depth yet.
And I'm just, I just had arandom memory back to seven years
ago we did this equivalentshow from God.
It was a, it was a co workingspace in California.
(02:18):
We must have been out theredoing some work working on the TV
show and we somehow snuck intoa co working space and I think we
had to sneak out.
Look how far we've come now inour big professional studios.
John of the Kitchen Any, anymemory of what I'm talking about?
I'm trying to remember whatwere we doing in California.
We would have been cutting theWorld Horseplayer Tour pilot and
(02:40):
and I think the night we likeflew out either the night of the
Belmont or the next morningand it was, it was the justify year
and yeah, we ended up in a coworking space in like Santa Monica.
Doesn't you.
No memory.
Yes.
I think it was like a we workspace and there was a glass, like
a little glass kind of cubicleoffice looking things.
Exactly.
Yeah, I do remember that but I.
(03:02):
Also remember that we sneakingout but I don't think it's not like
we didn't want to pay.
There was something weirdthough that was of kind going on.
What I remember about thattrip is when we thought we were,
we thought we were smartstaying in that Airbnb in Venice
and it was nice and fun andcool and interesting and then we
go to bed and we look out thewindow and there is a.
We are in the midst of a fullon homeless camp.
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Yes, yes, it was, it was notthe most comfortable night of sleep
I've had.
But yeah, we had to dosomething about that.
I, I think we did end upgiving her a five star rating though
which, which you know, maybewe need to look at ourselves in the
mirror about that.
But.
All right, enough nonsense.
Let's get into the, the meatof this we talked about a little
bit over on the YouTube video.
Sovereignty.
He wins the Belmont Stakes.
He does so in imperious fashion.
(03:44):
He runs a huge buyer speedfigure in the process.
Was it 109?
Something like that?
I'll double check but I justwant to first and foremost, let's
give flowers to the winnerhere and then we'll get into the
Nitty gritty.
He was sensational.
He was absolutely sensational.
The way that he just camerolling down the middle of the track.
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He, he just, you know, he's,it's one of those deals where I've
said this about this TripleCrown which, and, and I, I have no
problem telling you the onesthat annoy me.
I hate results that arestupid, that don't make sense.
I hated that.
Rich strike one.
I love Kenny McPeak but Ihated that Mystic Dan won.
Like there are annoyingresults to me that don't make sense.
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And we spend so much timetrying to find the right result.
We spend months and months andmonths and when you get the wrong
result, it just feels likesuch a waste of time.
This Triple Crown did not feelthat way.
The way that Sovereignty ranin the derby with journalism and
Baeza running second.
The way that Journalism ran inthe pness and the way that you got
the same trifecta in, in theBelmont Stakes.
I, I just, I, I, I, I feltsatisfied And I think Sovereignty
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has the chance to be a superstar.
And I would tell you this as well.
The idea that they werethinking career and skipped the Preakness,
they better keep that sameenergy next January when they.
When it's time to.
To point to his 20, 264 yearold year.
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Because, man, how good couldhe end up being?
It was a 109 buyer.
It's a great point.
And I mean, the finances are alittle different when you're Godolphin.
The most successful globalbreeding place there is outside of.
You know, I don't want tooffend my Irish friends here.
We'll throw Coolmore a shout,too, but, I mean, the rules financially
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are different for them.
It probably went into thedecision to skip the Preakness.
And I mean, assuming the horseis healthy, I would be very surprised
to not see him run at 4.
Now.
It's the difficult questionportion of the show.
We've got a way back machine.
We're going back to the dayafter the Kentucky Derby, Sovereignty
announces he's going to be going.
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Well, Sovereignty doesn't makeany announcements.
He allows the humans aroundhim to make the announcements that.
That they are going to go to Baltimore.
Sovereignty runs in the Preakness.
Does he win part one?
Yes.
Yeah, I mean, I think so.
You don't even need to thinkabout that one.
And I mean, especially the.
Well, look, I.
I do believe that the.
The two horses are a lotcloser than I think the two results
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are.
I do think that Journalism isreally damn good.
I do think that race dynamicshave gotten journalism in their two
meetings.
I think that if you.
I really, truly believe, ifyou reverse the roles where Sovereignty
makes the lead andJournalism's running at him, I do
believe it's possible thatthere could be different outcomes.
(06:38):
And I don't want to take thataway from Sovereignty because that's
not what I'm trying to do.
I just think that you look at.
Look at Journalism's raceswhere he's been able to run something
down.
He goes and gets it.
Now he.
Now he might not be able to goget Sovereignty, but I do think it
could be a little bit.
At least a little bit different.
No, I.
I think, yeah.
I mean, so what Sovereigntyshowed in the two matchups against
Journalism, he wins all three.
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Okay, well, that you'vealready anticipated, question three,
which was, okay, we're stillin that fictional world.
He went to Baltimore.
He won there.
Does he still win the Belmont?
You've answered it.
You think he would have wonthe Triple Crown round?
Yeah.
I don't think.
Yeah, I mean, he worked thatday, he worked the day of, he, he,
he breathes the day of the Preakness.
Now I think that Bill was justbeing conservative and I think that,
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I think that in, in fairnessbecause of Godolphin's financial
situation, which I've alwaysthought that they, they are legacy
chasers.
So I've always thought that,that in sportsman.
So I always thought the TripleCrown would weigh high for Sheikh
Muhammad, but I think whatweighs high for Sheikh Mohammed is
just winning a lot of racesand having a career and, and in fact
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legacy and that's doesn't meananything to him.
He wanted to win a Derby, hewon a Derby, and who cares if he
wins the Preakness?
I, I guess.
Well, how about this, jk?
Don't you think a race likethe Dubai World cup might have an
outsized importance to him?
I think it means a lot to him.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it'samongst his peers with, with, with,
with relatives and, and, and,and other big players in the Middle
east and, and I would imaginethat matters very much to him.
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So I would think that, that,that, that, that, that was a decision
they just didn't feel like wasthe best decision and whatever.
I think it's a unique situation.
I think that it needed to be aDerby winner trained by Bill Mott
and owned by Sheikh Muhammadand Godolphin for the, for the Preakness
to be skipped.
And I think that, that movingforward, this is not going to become
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a trend because otheroperations aren't going to make that
very unique decision.
Okay, so we had, I don't knowif you got to hear the pro players
show this year.
The host was sober this time,by the way, but Duke Matisse very
outspoken in his criticism ofMott, Godolphin saying that they,
you know, that he, he believedthat he would have been a Triple
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Crown winner and, and thatthey basically cost the sport what
could have been, not just areally memorable great running of
the Belmont, but an absoluteall timer over the weekend.
I can see his point.
You know, I mean, I'm not, atthe end of the day, this is one where
I'm just going to hold boththoughts in my head that, yeah, it
kind of sucks for racing thatwe didn't get to see that.
But at the end of the day forme, I'm not going to sit here and
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question, you know, one of thethings we've been talking about since
probably the first ever in theMoney players podcast Bill Mott with
the target and how effectivethat is.
I mean I, I simply think it's.
Call me a fence sitter, sayI'm going to get splinters in my
ass, whatever you want to say,but I'm, that's where I'm sitting
on this one.
That both things are true.
Yeah.
Kind of sucks.
We might have had, well havehad a Triple Crown winner, but I'm
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not going to, I'm not going topillory connections involved because
as you say, unique set of circumstances.
What do you, what would yousay to those who are upset?
And there are plenty, it's notjust Duke.
There are plenty of them,people who are upset and are taking
this Belmont result and, andreally one of their top reactions
to it is that's great.
But what might have been?
Well, because this is myhonest feel of it, because sovereignty
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is not a.
He's a four legged animal, nota four wheeled car or whatever.
He's a living, breathing thing.
I, I would like to feel, Iwould like to just defer to a hall
of fame trainer in which I dohave trust in as being one of the
good guys.
If for whatever reason he feltlike this was what was best for his
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four legged animal that he isresponsible for, I will always defer
to that.
But I do think it's disappointing.
I do think that it's frustrating.
If it was.
I'm a little frustrated thatthe decision wasn't at least considered.
It was.
Sounds like, I mean it waslike a flip it.
No, immediately.
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I wish that if he would havemade the decision on Monday or Tuesday.
I feel like I have a tiredhorse and I want to protect him.
I wouldn't, wouldn't bother meat all.
It's the, the one thing thatbothers me is the timing in which
the decision was made.
But ultimately I will sidewith him.
And the decision that he madefor the living and breathing animal,
it also.
Could be that his hands were tied.
I mean this could have been aGodolphin operation.
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I don't, I don't, I just, Idon't, I don't think Godolphin's
operation has gotten to whereit's gotten to because Sheikh Muhammad
and the executives make the decisions.
I think they hire a goodhorsemen and they let their horsemen
train their horses.
That's what, that's why theyare who they are and what they are.
Because we've seen powerfuloperations who meddle what happens.
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You know what I'm saying?
I don't think that's I don't know.
That's who they are.
Perfect verb.
No.
And you're right.
I mean, I'm hosting a podcast,so I throw some ideas out there and
some stick and some don't.
That one did not stick.
Let's talk about journalism.
So it's really interestingbecause I still don't have pace figures
for the race, but I do have the.
I've looked closely at theinternal sectionals.
Now, watching the race, it didfeel to me.
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I was happy with.
With where Risoli was.
I was happy he went on with itand just tried to get Sovereignty
off the bridle.
But the second the race wasover, I wasn't questioning the ride
because it's the ride I'd beenasking for in the ride that I wanted.
Right.
I mean, I'm not going to say,oh, he should have stayed down inside
the whole time.
We'd all said, that's not whatyou do on journalism.
So I'm not questioning the ride.
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But having said that, itlooked like he did move kind of wide.
He moved into what looked likea fast pace and maybe.
Maybe moved.
Maybe moved too early.
Maybe Sovereignty got a littlebit the better of dynamics.
But I'll tell you what, whenyou look at those sectionals, I mean,
Sovereignty is ahead of himearly, for one thing.
I mean, Sovereignty just did ahell of a lot of running in this
race.
Better race than the Derby,not just in terms of final time,
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but in terms of the way thathe earned it.
We were talking at a greatquestion in the YouTube comments.
I wish I could remember thename of the commenter, but he was
asking me.
I was talking about, like, thedefinition of what I see as a complete.
And basically what I meant isa race where a horse is doing.
Running basically early,middle and late, that produces a.
Obviously then necessarilywould have to produce a good final
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time.
Its.
Sovereignty really ran acomplete race because even though,
I mean, journalism did makethat move, when you look at these
sectionals and you.
Especially when you look atthe 2363 Sovereignty came home in,
I just don't.
I think you're right.
And I made a similar pointwith Nick that he's not.
He's a little closer toSovereignty than this bare result
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suggests.
But there's just no waySovereignty was losing this horse
race.
As I look at this chart.
Yeah, I don't.
I mean, yeah, yeah, I.
I don't disagree with that,but I do wonder what the f.
What it would have looked likeif the.
If.
If Junior goes.
If Junior moves a Little earlyand then he strikes the front and
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then journalism can then runat him.
I, I don't know.
I agree with you the way thathe ran.
He ran like a, like a, like anabsolute monster.
And, but I've seen journalismdo the same.
I'm just curious what wouldhappen in that scenario.
He did an incredible job bybeing as into the teeth of the pace
early as he was.
I mean, at the quarter mileinto the race, he's, he's second
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ahead to Rodriguez.
I don't know if that wasdeliberately prompting him so he
didn't get loose out of a fearof him or what, what was going on,
but he settled the horse innicely where then he's in by the
half.
He's, he's behind journalism.
So.
I know, I hear what you're saying.
And I mean, I think my, as Ithink about it, if I'm raiding this
race and I'm going to rate,I'll do it in ability figure terms.
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If I'm going to rateSovereignty as basically the full
109 coming out of here, Imight rate journalism like a 107.
You know what I mean?
Like, yeah, it's kind ofacademic at that point.
But I tell you what, I do wishhappened and I, and I, and I haven't
seen it yet, maybe I'm wrong.
I wish that the, theinteraction between Umberto Jr.
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Sovereignty and journalism onthe backside after the race was captured
with a photo.
And I worry that there's nocameras back there, the still photos
back there, to have capturedit because describe what.
Happened for those who didn't see.
Yeah, it was like, it was a,it was an, you know, they kind of
came up to each other afterthe race, you know, like kind of
like a post race interview.
You'll see with Maggie or, or Donna.
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Brothers still on horseback.
Yep.
Yeah, still on horseback.
And basically the two ridersembraced, but then they both, they
both showed love andaffection, patting the other's horse,
Junior petting Journalism andUmberto recognizing sovereignty.
I, I mean, it's good look forthe sport, right?
Yeah, it was cool, man.
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It was, it was really cool.
And then the, the, the,there's a shot.
I did see this still imageMichael McCarthy and Bill Mott having
a conversation after the race.
It's, it's, it's, it's a, it'sa beautiful thing.
It was, there was a lot ofclass shown on Belmont Day, that's
for sure.
We'll talk by AA and thenwe're gonna, we'll lightning through,
feel bad I, these racesprobably deserve two hours.
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We're gonna give this show 30.
But hey, that's.
That's life in the big city.
We do have to talk Baeza first.
We talked about him prettyextensively in the YouTube video.
I thought he was going to beoff the board with the way he was
pulling early.
Thought he ran very well to be third.
Tell me if I'm wrong.
I probably rate Paeza, whogets 100 here after his 102 in the
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dirt in the derby.
I probably rate him equal assome of the recent derby winners
you were talking about whenyou weren't so thrilled with the
results.
I feel like Baeza is like, atthat sort of Mystic Dan Rich strike
level, and he had sort of themisfortune of being in the crop with
these two with.
But to Baez's credit, you canjust see so much room for improvement.
What if he ever stops acting a fool?
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Yeah, he was born in the wrongyear, that guy.
You know, just.
You ran into these two monsters.
You know, you toss him intoto, to, to a couple of, a couple
of derbies.
And I, I, I think you, you geta winner out of him and, and we'll
see if he can kind of justkind of get it all together and to
grow up.
You know, I said in that othervideo, just kind of like a, it's
kind of like that, thattalented kid with like, the granola
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parents.
Just kind of like they'reletting them figure it out on their
own, man.
You know, like that deal.
John Sheriffs is not a hippie,by the way.
But I, I, I.
You said John Sheriffs?
Yeah, he's not a hippie.
I mean, I asked him why he moved.
Yeah, because I asked him whyhe moved to California from Long
island, and he said to be a surfer.
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Oh, I love Pretty hippie.
I mean, that's pretty.
He's.
He's a cool Cali cat.
But I still think the image ofhim, like, listening to the Grateful
Dead eating granola, I'm not,I'm not 100.
Sure.
But you know better than me.
But I, I do think, well, thatwe, we.
We recorded a car talk.
We didn't air it because wewere just so jammed up, but we'll
probably air it in the summer.
It was evergreen.
It had nothing to do with Baeza.
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It was about other stuff.
It's pretty good.
But he's.
No, but I do think that he isone that lets his horse just be a
horse.
Yes.
And he likes.
He said.
I think he even said it.
I don't know if it'll make the interview.
I believe he said he likes tolet his horses kind of train themselves.
He actually said that?
That's so funny because I usedthat line about him and then I like
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felt like, oh my God, I'msaying something like he might like,
I don't want to make JohnSheriff's mad.
So if he actually said that,that makes me feel so much better.
He likes to let them trainthemselves to a certain extent, you
know, which, which, you know,I think is, is, is, is very interesting.
It's an approach, that's for sure.
And he's had great successwith it.
So I'm not gonna sit here andquestion him.
But it does make him feelexceedingly unlikely to have success
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on the Triple Crown trail.
And he showed us wrong becausehe's done it multiple times, including
this year with Baeza, whocould have won the damn thing in
another year.
Just also to your pointbefore, about how satisfying this
Triple Crown feels as somebodywho covers racing, couldn't agree
more.
Where are we?
Look, we love, we both getknocked unfairly, I think for supposedly
picking favorites all the time.
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We pick long shots whenthey're logical long shots that we
like.
But when it comes to theclassics, we like formful.
We like things that can be explain.
I mean Mage, perfect example.
Nice long shot.
We said loads of great thingsabout him.
Doesn't make you like go and,and scratch your head and, and say,
oh, there were three horses inthe race who were better than him.
Anyway, I'm ranting so let'smove on.
Somebody, somebody on Twittermade fun of me for, for picking fierceness
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on the Fox show and sayingthat I think he's the best horse
in training.
Like I've said much like crazier.
I've said much crazier stuffthan that.
I've, I've, I've bet, I've betto win significantly shorter priced
horses than that.
But like the fact is when itcome for me for betting fierceness
in the Met Mile as if I wassome sort of like blasphemous horse
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players, horse player ghostsare going to haunt me for the rest
of my life or doing somethingso horrible is like the funniest
thing in the world to me.
People are so weird.
He probably is overall on hisbest day the fastest horse.
Let's go to that race actually.
And there's definitelyinteresting figure conversations
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to, to have on this onebecause the, the, the figure maker
they, they've been buyer'sbeen all all over the place Now I'm
seeing them a new figure thatI hadn't seen before put in Formulator.
I'll just give you the whole.
We'll give you the whole spiel.
But here's the thing, Wilton.
The, the, the shoot races, theWilson shoot races are weird.
I don't think fierceness washelped in any way, shape or form.
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Buy it.
He also has been known to runa dud from time to time.
This was a situation where itwas hard.
I, I liked him, too.
He was my top pick in the race.
The closer we got to the race,I did back off a little bit just
because of the unusualcircumstances and some of the strong
field against him.
So right now in the chart, itlooks like they're going with an
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unadjusted figure where theyhave Raging Torrent at a 106 and
fierceness at a 102.
At some point yesterday, thosenumbers were 10, 12 points lower.
So I guess they're just stilltrying to figure it out.
My best guess is the real.
The, the number that I'm goingto rate the race at is in between
the two numbers that have beenposted so far.
Anyway, let's talk aboutRaging Torrent.
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It's, it's, it's impossible.
You cannot get caught up, inmy opinion, on figures for the day,
if you think about it, becausewe had a driving rainstorm in the
middle of, you know, to startthe day.
And then you have to thinkthat the entire day, the track, the
focus of Glenn Kozak and theteam, was to try to get this racetrack
to be fast by the time theBelmont ran.
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And so the.
All the races in between, Ithink, probably got caught in that
process.
Interesting.
And so, like, I just don't.
I don't.
I don't think.
I just don't.
And like, how do you make thefigure considering the gaps in between
races?
I mean, I don't know thetiming, but there's a, you know,
how do you make, like, how doyou make the figure with, with, with
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Fierceness?
Think about it.
There was Fierceness, right?
Then there are fiercest andenraging Torrent.
Then there was the weird turfrace, the Penine Ridge, that you're
having a bunch of turf horsesrunning on the dirt.
So how do you measure thatfigure to know what they were supposed
to run based on the time touse those in comparison?
Then you have another longbreak into the one turn, Woody Stevens
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with a dip with a racetrackthat's significantly different than
what you saw with Fiercenessan hour and a half before that.
I just, I, you know, I just.
I wouldn't get carried awaywith the figures.
I.
You have to just.
You gotta.
You.
I wouldn't.
That's not something.
That's not a game I'm playing much.
Yeah.
How are you rating?
Give me your thoughts onRaging Torrent.
We got to give him his props.
And then picked by Nick Tamarapicked by Andy Sterling, too.
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I think he's really good.
Yeah.
Let's talk about him.
And then let's talk about howwe rate Raging Torrent Fiercest going
forward with.
Yeah.
That we.
Especially with the figure confusion.
Yeah.
Raging Torrent's really good.
And fiercest is going to winthe Whitney.
Raging Torrent will go toCalifornia and he'll win both sprints
that he runs in out there.
I would imagine that's whatthey'll do with him.
I don't imagine they're goingto keep him.
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I feel like this is the distance.
This is the ceiling for him.
I also think from like, youknow, I don't know, do they want
to run in the two turn dirtmile or do they want to treat him
more as.
As being that kind of gutsyfinishing type sprinter?
I'm not sure what Doug andthem and the team will do, but the
ownership group I know has alot of ties to Del Mar.
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If I'm not mistaken, CraigDado, who used to run Del Mar, is.
Is.
Is listed as part of theownership group.
That horse is going to stay inCalifornia for the rest of the summer.
I would imagine there's noreal reason to bring him back here
for the forego.
I suppose they could, butlike, you know, why not just grade
ones in the backyard.
Yeah, yeah.
The Bing Crosby or the.
Or, you know, whatever.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
But I guess there's a world inwhich they could try to.
To mile him there.
But I just.
But I don't why, from astallion making standpoint to me
winning the.
You've already won the MetMile, so why not then win the sprint?
And now you're like.
To me that's more of a.
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You have more of an argumentto be a stallion who's raging towards.
It's somebody weird, isn't it?
His breeding is by Maximus Mischief.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think that counts as weird.
Yeah.
He.
Yeah, they ran in the sprintlast year.
Beaten.
Beaten like six.
But you know, that was a.
It was.
It was tough.
We'll see how the sprint looksthis year.
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Already has that Pat o' Briengrade two last year.
You would.
You'd think they wouldn't mindGoing back to that won the grade
one in the Malibu.
I mean, he's a very impressive horse.
Yeah.
Or.
Or you could do somethingcompletely crazy and then you do
bring him back to the scene ofthe crime and you run him in the
mile on an eighth Whitney andsee what.
See who he really is and ifthat's what he really wants to do.
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And now you're sitting on.
Now you're sitting on horse ofthe year type stuff.
If you could pull that off.
Very interesting, ambitious plan.
I have a feeling your firstthought will end up being the best
thought.
You've already tipped yourhand on fierceness.
You think this race, even ifyou give the best possible figure
you could give, this was anunderperformance by fierceness.
But do you think that.
I mean, are you.
Am I wrong to be a little bitquestioning, slash dismissive of
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the form of a Wilson Shootrace run in such unusual ground conditions
from a horse who's been knownto have off races and bounce back
before?
I think we just evaluate himoff the previous race when we're
talking about him in the Whitney.
Yeah.
Because I think.
So here's what I would say.
I would tell people, well, Ihope people do do this.
I hope people do question him.
He had one bad race in hislast five, and it was on a sloppy
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racetrack when he was drawn tothe inside and he had to get into
a little bumping match to tryto get off of the inside of the rail
on the Wilson Shoot on asloppy, weird racetrack.
Okay.
His other performances, hislast four performances prior to that
were a track, basically atrack record in the.
In the.
In the Ali Sheba off of a longlayoff, blazing fractions in which
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he held on and ran arguablythe better race in the Breeders Cup
Classic and the Travers andthe Jim Dandy like it.
So you can't.
I would.
I would consider those fourraces significantly more than this
one.
Yep.
Let's move on to talk aboutthe Woody Stevens.
Patch Adams does the business.
Lots of us on the networkreally like this horse.
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Again, clock, trickyevaluator, given everything did come
up as a career best for him.
But that's only a 99.
How much more do you thinkPatch Adams has to give?
Is he.
Is he your he.
I, I would assume is going tobe a favorite at this point for the
Jerkins on the Travers undercard.
Am I correct in that?
And how much do you like Patch Adams?
Are you fully converted?
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No, I'm not fully converted.
I liked him that day.
I think he was the most Likelyprobably winner of the group.
I try to get cute.
I mean, I picked Neo Equus on tv.
He doesn't.
I like him.
I like him.
He ran well, but he doesn'tfeel like the dominant leader of
that division.
He's, you know, he's.
He's one of those horses thatif he gets a little bit of a tougher
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trip and someone gets a littlebit of a better trip, I could see
him getting beat.
So.
Good horse, deserving winner.
But I'm not, you know, I'm notgoing to fly to London to get a bet
down, you know, for a futureof the.
Of the Jerkins.
I'm flying to London onThursday, by the way.
Get ready.
We're going to have loads ofRoyal Ascot coverage once again.
That reminds me.
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Need to reach out to Nick and Vanessa.
We got to get something funfor the YouTube channel about that.
Disappointments of the raceinclude Chancellor McPatrick and
Neo Equus.
Did you see any hard luckstories, anything that you're going
to be taking with you whenthese horses appear the next time?
I think Chancellor McPatrickis the eighth grader that could shave.
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And now we're in ninth gradeand people are caught up.
I think.
I think it's not unreasonable.
What about your pick and ahorse that I gave a nice shout to
too.
Not to throw you under the bus.
Neo Equus.
Any reason for that disappointment?
No.
Just.
Just wasn't there, you know,he just wasn't there.
I don't know if it took toomuch out of him.
You know, it was a.
It was a.
It was a.
Andy always says this, youknow, with his craps talk, but it's
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like it's.
It was, you know, it was a comeb.
It was.
It was hoping for something tohappen and I was going to get paid
if I was right.
You know what I mean?
But he doesn't.
He.
He never.
He had no excuse, in my opinion.
Let's move on to the action.
On Sunday.
We will start.
We're going to.
We're going to end with.
With what I probably, onemight argue I should have led with.
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So we'll go right to.
We'll go right to the Jiperwhere Ag Bullet does the business.
What a beautiful trip.
And ride here.
101 buyer speed.
Figure she beats the boys inimpressive fashion.
Well found in the market atjust odds of over 5 to 2.
What did you think about thiseffort and anything else to take
out of the race?
Yeah, I mean, I thought.
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I thought the race was.
Was was really about her.
And Think Big.
I thought Think Big was goingto really move up with the soft ground.
Had a little bit of trouble.
She's good.
You know, I think she's really good.
I think she's, she's.
And she's also pretty versatile.
You know, a horse that can,that can go a little bit further.
I would imagine she'll go lookfor a big payday as a Grade one winner.
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A big payday and in.
In Kentucky Downs.
Yeah.
And then we'll see her withprobably another Breeders cup appearance
out in California.
I don't know how the flatfives and a fit her.
I think she's probably bettera little bit further but she's definitely
a talented one and maybe evenone that that'd be worth the experiment.
I just don't know when theywould get it to see because she's
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run well going longer.
Maybe there's a world in whichthey can, they can try to see if
she wants to, to, to, to tryto find her way around a mile she's
not gonna have to deal withshe feels pretty who's gonna probably
go a little bit further andmaybe she can kind of sneak around
that female division and, andfind herself in a race like the mileage.
But I would imagine as a Gradeone winner sprinting, they'll probably
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keep her there.
They've also got the gradewith that Grade one matriarch that
she almost won last year as apotential grade 1 mile target that
I'm sure would do wonders forher value if she could go a couple
of spots better.
I'll take your Think Big had alittle trouble and say he lost all
chance at the break.
I would, you know, sometimeswhen they break poorly it is an indicator
that the form is going down.
But if this horse comes backand works well, I would expect him
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to bounce back.
Just felt to me like he wastaken out of his game completely
and never recovered.
Am I giving him too much leeway?
No.
And, and, and not every, notevery, you know, soft ground course
is the same.
That horse has been veryconsistent and, and I think he'll
bounce back and, and you know,I'm never going to fall fully in
love with like a late runningturf sprinter, but he certainly has
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a reason to run better next time.
Yeah.
And he's got the kind of finalnumbers who as you've explained on
these airwaves many times makehim a legitimate threat.
Despite that lack of speed.
When you can hit the 100 onthe buyer feed feed spear speed figure
scale that's always a possibility.
The other one I'll throw outthere is let's get Copala going.
Five furlongs on firm groundand see how he does.
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Do you agree?
You.
Are you tired of the act atthis point?
Yeah.
Five furlongs.
Yeah.
Firm ground.
I mean, he's the type of horsethat he.
That's what he needs.
I'm very surprised that DaleRandom, to be fair.
He's.
He was on the, you know, wetalk about, you know, the.
The.
The five races in three weeksfor journalism.
He was on that same.
He was on that same schedule.
Yeah, same schedule.
We'll see what happens.
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Definitely a horse I'm keepingan eye on for our friends over there
at Sport of Kings Racing.
Let's talk about the story,the line.
I.
I tweeted it.
I said it on a show yesterday,but I'll say it again.
Got real dusty in the bunker.
Jk When Deterministic held onfor Miguel Clement and the Clement
team in the race that weclosed out the weekend with the Manhattan.
(31:03):
Your thoughts?
I mean, look, it was a lotthis week, you know, seeing Miguel
get his first win.
And he's.
Look, Miguel's a.
He's a.
He's a hard exterior.
He.
He's.
He's sarcastic.
He's.
You know, I would even sayhe's a little like, you know, you
(31:24):
might even misinterpretsomething he says to you from time
to time because of that sarcasm.
And he just.
There was so much humility andgratitude and appreciation and pain
on his face after his first win.
It was.
It really.
It did something to me.
It was, you know, as you and Iboth have lost our fathers, it just.
(31:48):
I just realized all these emotions.
But when you lost your fatherand I lost mine, I didn't have to.
I wasn't thrust into thespotlight of, like, replacing him
immediately.
Yes.
The next day.
Never missed a day of work, apparently.
Yeah.
And, like, that part of it wasjust, like, wild to me and, And,
And, And.
And my love for Acacia,obviously, and the impact that had
(32:09):
on her family.
It was fun to see him get his way.
His first win and then hissecond win and then in a race that
was obviously so important forhis father and, and, and honestly,
like, for.
For me, like, when I thinkManhattan, the most important Manhattan
of my life was.
Was Winchester's Manhattan,trained by Kristoff Clement and.
And the.
Like to.
(32:30):
To.
To.
To see Deterministic.
How much I love Deterministic.
Anyways, shout out to ourfriends at Lane's in.
And then Liam's Liam's map.
And then also, you know,Kendrick and the post game, post.
He was so good, wasn't he?
You know, we, we our dad, we both.
Because Kendrick lost his father.
And our daddies are.
It's just like they was just.
Everything was right,everything was perfect.
(32:51):
I loved everything about it.
And it's, it's one of manygrade ones for Miguel Clement.
And this is the last thingI'll say about it, is that I've had
a lot of friends, not a lot.
I've had friends who havesince, like lost a parent.
And the one thing that helpedme through that whole process, and
(33:12):
this is the same thing I toldMiguel, is that I found comfort when
my dad passed in knowing thatI was proud of him and that he was
proud of me.
Like, I got.
I found comfort in thegrieving process and, and the fact
that he was gone through thatand this weekend in that moment is
like clearly that for Miguel.
(33:32):
I know he was proud of himself.
I know his father was proud of him.
And like that made me feellike it was a perfect end to what
we've been going through orthey've been going through.
The industry's been goingthrough like the last 10 days.
I guarantee he felt his dad'shand on his shoulder in that winter
circle.
The same way sometimes whenI'm on here, I'll feel dad's hand
(33:52):
on my shoulder.
He never got to know that Ieventually ended up making my living
with my voice just like he did.
But you feel them in the room sometimes.
And I know you know that.
And that's where we'll leavethe discussion of the Manhattan.
We'll leave the formimplications of which there are some
for when these horses run back.
I don't want to spoil any ofit talking about that.
We'll leave that part there.
Any funny stories from the weekend?
(34:13):
I do know a person that, thatthought they were betting $100 trifecta
and accidentally bet $1,000 trifecta.
I hope the bet hit.
Thought they were going to get$18,000 or got 180.
So that's a good surprise.
And it was, it wasn't me oranyone that close to me, but did
hear that story.
So I thought horse playerswould find that one.
You know, we, we.
(34:34):
Everyone knows about a Miss Punch.
That one worked out.
I've never had a Miss Punch goin my favor ever, let alone to the
tune of.
Of a buck fifty.
Yeah, no, that was, that was it.
Shout out to our friendAnthony Matera.
He, he, he won a horse Tourneycontest for.
For over a 100.
So that was cool.
Shout out to Matty.
Matt Miller of black type thoroughbreds.
(34:54):
Our friend Jake Ballis's.
They're not married, butbasically Mary.
Life partners.
Partners.
And she.
She won the.
She won the Nair Bets Belmont contest.
I think something like 4500.
She was down to 4500.
Bet it on.
Bet it on Patch Adams and thencame back and bet 18,000 on.
(35:16):
On sovereignty.
But the funny part about the18,000 she bet on Sovereignty is
her.
Her husband.
Partner, Jake.
Jake, like journalism.
And so like, that was thehousehold divided where she.
She fired away the other way.
And.
And now we know who the smartone is in that operation.
That's fantastic.
Well, for one thing, I know.
I now know who.
Who's buying the first jug ofpims when I see those two at Ask
(35:40):
it next week.
So that's.
That's good information.
And I'm just going to go aheadand say this here.
I.
Not a beard.
Not a.
I've had six people say, oh,is this a beard?
Not a beard.
She bit the horses.
She's.
She's really good folks.
And.
And she got the job done.
So congrats to Maddie.
That was fantastic.
So between Maddie and theother friend of yours, I did hear
a rumor about somebody pickingup dinner for an entire restaurant
(36:02):
in downtown Saratoga on one ofthose nights.
I'm assuming it was one of them.
No, it was actually JonStewart of Resolute Racing at.
I wasn't there.
But on Friday night at Salivo.
Paid for the.
Paid for the.
Everyone in there.
Sorry, I've got it.
We talked earlier at the topof the show about how you can hold
(36:22):
two simultaneous thoughts inyour head at the same time.
I'll close the show withanother one.
Incredibly generous.
What a gesture.
Also an example of you havetoo much money if.
Hey, whatever it takes.
Whatever it takes.
Oh, great stuff.
Any closing thoughts from you,jk, before we send this one home?
(36:43):
No, it was a good Triple Crown.
You know, I want to thank ourfriends, you know, at DK Horse for,
you know, supporting all thevideos, all the content we did.
You know, it helped when youhave someone behind you to.
To pump out all that content.
And that was.
We are appreciative for that.
It was a great Triple Crown season.
Like I said, it's a rewarding one.
I feel good about it.
(37:04):
I feel good about the outcome,and I haven't given up.
I.
I do believe we still have arivalry between journalism and sovereignty,
but there's just One horsethat's absolutely winning the rivalry
currently so but you know.
It'S a long diminish arrivalwhere you look at horse racing history
and you look at the, the headto heads between Sunday Silence and
Easy Goer or Ali Dar and Affirmed.
(37:26):
The one makes the other greater.
Even if one has the edge inthe head to head matchups.
Travers, is that where we'regoing to see them face off again?
Potentially.
I mean fingers crossed.
Knock knock knock.
Yeah, I would think so.
I mean I, you know sovereigntyis going to point to that and, and
I would imagine journalismwill do the same.
I suppose there's a world inwhich journalism could try to get
cheeky and classic go to.
(37:48):
No, I, I would think maybethe, you know, the Haskell, but you
know, but I don't know,they're a sporting group.
Bob Lanta, Eclipse, Don,Alberto Bridalwood.
I would imagine they'd like toget another run at him because look,
there's still a horse of the year.
I mean a horse of the year onthe line.
There's still a three year oldof the year on the line, right?
I mean if journalism turns thetables, wins the Travers, turns the
(38:10):
table, wins the Classic.
Now suddenly we got aconversation for three old of the
year.
So I think it's still up thereand a head to head against sovereignty
is going to be needed, that'sfor sure.
Oh yeah, no doubt about it.
Great stuff from you jk.
Much appreciated.
You mentioned thanking a sponsor.
I'll throw in a thank you toour friends over twinspires.com who
we continue to do a lot ofstuff for.
(38:31):
Twinspires Tournaments has arobust schedule coming up.
Make sure you check that outtwinspires.com and then just navigate
over to the tournaments tab.
Thanks to all our sponsors.
Thanks.
Thank you so much to everybodyfor listening.
I'll move that around in myusual goodbyes to to put it now was
so great getting to run intosome listeners, some viewers if all
(38:51):
up and around Saratoga this weekend.
Really so fun getting to seeso many people in person and can't
wait to be back up there soonin a month's time.
Just got this little trip toEngland in the middle of it.
Who else will we thank?
10 strike racing.
I somehow managed to not seeany of the 10 strike partners or
over the weekend but it wasgood to know that Marshall and many
of the crew were there.
(39:11):
We always like to root for thepurple and black also therapeutic
horses of Saratoga.
Doing great work helpinghorses, helping humans learn more
about their work in the moneypodcast.com horses.
This show's been a productionof in the Money Media.
I'm Peter Thomas Fornal.
May you win all your photos.
(39:34):
I can go.
(39:59):
You.
It's just me and you.
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