Establishment Targets Elon: 'This is War' - In The Tank #470 - In The Tank

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Donald Kendal (00:11):
We are live, ladies and gentlemen. When Elon
Musk expressed interest inpurchasing Twitter all of those
months ago, years ago, I don'teven remember. He was, making
himself a target of thepolitical elites in a recent
development. Leaked documentsappear to show advisers that the
Kamala Harris campaign haveplans to, quote, kill Musk's

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Twitter. Elon Musk's response,this is war.
Also, has the com has the mediacompletely lost it? Donald
Trump's recent campaign stunt atMcDonald's has exposed what can
only be described as completelunacy by the mainstream media.
We're gonna be talking about allthis and more in episode 470 of

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the in the tank podcast.

Kamala Harris (01:32):
She looks at me and she says, oh, look at you.
You're pretty up in yourtelevision. Mike, look at her.
No. Oh,

Alright, Jim. Thank you for that one. Welcome
to the In The Tank podcast. Asalways, I'm your host, Donald
Kendall. And today, we've gotJim Likeley, VP of the Heartland
Institute and editor of that,clip right there that he just
forced us all to watch.
Jim, how are you today?

Jim Lakely (02:06):
I'm doing good. You know, I I realized this week
that, with the election only 2weeks away, less than 2 weeks
away now, that, we're not gonnahave an opportunity perhaps to
play those opening drops with,some Kamala clips in them. So I
cut a few. You picked one ofthem at random. That was, my
second choice, but, I'm glad youenjoyed it, and maybe we'll drop
another one next week.

Yeah. Enjoy might not necessarily be the word for
it, but, yeah, we'll see whathappens. Chris Talgo also
joining us, editorial directorhere at the Heartland Institute.
How are you doing today, goodsir?

Chris Talgo (02:38):
Doing good. It's nice nice day outside, Donnie.
It's a beautiful day in theChicago suburbs.

That is right. That is right. Yes. 11 days
until election. We're gonna betalking about that.
Also, new book just dropped onTuesday, propaganda wars by
Glenn Beck and Justin Haskins.We'll talk about that. But
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and prevent content like thisfrom being shown to more people.
But, as those people that arewatching the show can see, we've
got a number of topics on ourlittle sidebar column there that
we're gonna have to get through.But the first thing that I wanna
talk about before we get to ourmain topic is this, Trump's
shift, Donald Trump shift atMcDonald's this past weekend.

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And I know this story in itselfis several days old already. I
don't think that, we can ignorethis story, though, and not not
necessarily him just going toMcDonald's, but just the media's
response to this campaign stunt.So in case you didn't see or
you've been living under a rock,Donald Trump donned a McDonald's

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apron and worked behind thecounter for a few hours at a
Pennsylvania location on Sunday.Trump learned how to, work the
fryer, man the drive throughwindow. Trump, who isn't shy
about his liking for McDonald's,had multiple reasons for this
brief stint, behind the counter.
A, it's because it's, you know,a campaign appeal to the the

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everyman and those that, workservice jobs, but also and
probably more importantly, itwas a bit of a troll against
Kamala Harris, who has claimedthat she has worked at
McDonald's in the past, a claimthat Donald Trump thinks is b s.
And so when he was workingthere, he said, you know, just
working here for 15 minutesmeans that I've worked at

(05:15):
McDonald's for 15 minutes longerthan Kamala Harris. So the stunt
itself went off pretty well fromwhat I can tell. Trump started
off walking into the storesaying that he was looking for a
job, you know, little kind offunny humorous interaction with
the manager there. Drive thrucustomers were filmed getting
their food from the presidentialcandidates and had an

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opportunity to voice theirsupport for Trump.
In one case, thanking thepresident for, quote, taking a
bullet for us. So I think wehave a little bit of footage
that we can play of, DonaldTrump at McDonald's. This is,
you know, if you're not just,like, super callous of hearts,
you you gotta look at this andand get a little bit of joy from
this. So let's go ahead and playthis clip, please.

Jim Lakely (05:57):
By a human hand. Nice and clean. My hands are
nice and clean. This guy's agood instructor. I appreciate
it.
Wow. I'm gonna give a really bigone so that look at that thing.
Just pouring out of here. Howgood is that, Margo? Here,
Margo.
Have them. Hello. You guys havea good looking grill. Hello,

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everybody. This is not a normalThank you.
We're glad you're talking aboutthe county. And there'll be no

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charge Trump is paying for. Isthat okay? No. I'm doing this
right now.
Oh, you're going to some extrastuff. Oh, okay. This is this is
all on Trump. Oh, look. I'mallowed to do that.
Right? Yeah. Let me check andmake sure it's It's everything
you said it would be. It'sbetter be. It's gonna be the
best yet.
I made it myself. You're thebest. Think about it. That's it.
Thank you, man.
Thank you. Thank you. Have agood time. Have a good time.

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That's that's great.

He had a, so, like, an impromptu we could let
let the footage keep runningthere. He's got, an impromptu,
or probably not impromptu. It'sa planned little, press
conference outside the window.They had reporters asking
questions and all of that, youknow, like that was pretty much
it, right? That should be theend of it.
But instead of saying, hey, youknow, Trump did a kind of unique

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campaign stunt, cool, The medialost its mind, like, seriously
lost its mind. So in the hoursand days after Trump worked the
McDonald's fryer, many in themedia tried to undermine the
stunts by attempting to exposeTrump's time at McDonald's as a,
quote, unquote, staged event.Can you believe it, everybody? A

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staged event. He didn't actuallygo there and get hired by
McDonald's.
Don't let him trick you intothinking that he was actually,
like, you know, putting hisputting his, payment information
for his w two at the end of theyear or something like that. No.
It was a staged event. So I'vegot one of the worst articles
that I think I've ever seen inmy entire life. This was from

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Newsweek, and it was titled wasDonald Trump's Mcdonald shift
staged?
Oh my gosh, again, like, doesanyone think that it wasn't
staged? Like, even the biggestTrump supporters in the world,
does anyone think that thiswasn't a staged campaign event?
Like, it's just absurd on itsface that a headline like that

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exists. But the articlecontinues, rumors have been
circulating on social media thatTrump's visit to McDonald's was
staged. The article then citesan unconfirmed letter supposedly
posted on the front of the storeexplaining that the store was
closed to the public during theevent, but it gets worse.
Listen to this hard hittingpiece of journalism right here.

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This is reading directly fromthe article. I'm not joking,
everybody. According to a pressrelease issued by the campaign,
quote, Donald j Trump, presidentDonald j Trump suited up for a
shift at McDonald's in BucksCounty, Pennsylvania. A a full
shift generally implies 8 to 9hours of work, yet posts
circulating on social mediasuggest Trump work there for

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less.
Got him. Got him. Surely, theTrump campaign has just sunk
after being exposed like this. Imean, Trump wanted us to believe
that he got hired at McDonald's,worked the shift, but guess
what? It was staged.
Checkmate Donald Trump. But, youknow, and this wasn't just some

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moron with a column at Newsweek.The the article is indicative of
a narrative being spun by a widerange of people in the media.
New York Magazine, CNN, MSNBC,The Guardian, The New Republic,
Yahoo all jumped in trying toshow that this was some staged
event. Even Snopes jumped in toconfirm that this was a staged

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event.
So, Jim, I know we make a habitout of just making fun of the
media, you know, trying to showhow ridiculous they are on the
show, but this one's gotta go inthe record books for just sheer
ridiculousness. What what do youthink of, I guess, the stunt and
general and then the, media'sresponse?

Jim Lakely (10:23):
Well, I think it kinda goes all the way back to
2015 and 16 when when DonaldTrump first started running for
president. Our absolutely clownshow media does not take Donald
Trump seriously, but they takehim literally. So, you know,
when he puts on the apron and,so they they run these absurd
stories that, as you as youmentioned, Shocking news, he did

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not decide to suspend hiscampaign and actually just drop
out of the race for presidentand, start his new career as a
fry cook at McDonald's. You youknow, the analogy I thought of
is, you know, when George w Bushthrew out the first pitch at the
World Series game after 911, hewas not actually trying out for
the New York Yankees. He was inhe was involved in a political

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stunt and, actually, a greatmoment in America's history when
he threw a perfect strike, thatthat meant something,
symbolically for America.
But, you know, as as, Andyproducer Andy had up there on
the, on the screen, though hedoesn't have this tweet, But the
potato, Brian Stelter, who's nowback at CNN, he had tweeted

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something to the effect that,you know, that the right wing
media was milking this stunt andturning it into a 3 day story.
But as usual, the opposite istrue. One of the great accounts
to to, to watch or to to read onX is that by Drew Holden. He's
basically the, X's greatestreceipt keeper, and he has a a

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long list, a long thread of allof these major media outlets
completely losing their mindsover Donald Trump, you know,
going basically basically andit's known that this is one of
his favorite places to eat. Heloves McDonald's food, for
better or for worse.
But The New York Times, Frenchcups and French fries at Donald
Trump's McDonald's gig. No hairnet in sight, notes, in this

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thing. And it just OSHA

violation for that. They're gonna they're
gonna bring them up on OSHAcharges or something.

Jim Lakely (12:24):
Right. I say right. And and, actually, these thing
these things kinda go in stages.They actually, the as this kept
getting reported for day afterday, I think it act actually has
finally died down by now. But,you know, inevitably, our our
crack reporters in in ourcomplete joke of a corporate
media, you know, startsinvestigating the the actual

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McDonald's and its owner and ifit has any health violations.
And so, this is the this is theworld we live in now, where our
media will it it this goes backmany, many years. If you happen
to oppose the regime or if youhappen to do something fun with
Donald Trump, and if when yousee that clip, it's clear that
he is having fun. It's clearthat the employees at that

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restaurant are having a goodtime, And it's obviously clear
that the people, oh my gosh,that they prescreened to come to
the drive through window so thatit's not an assassin who pulls
out a gun and blows his head offbecause he's already had 2
assassination attempts. So,yeah, the Secret Service
screened these people. But, youknow, the media just cannot
allow, you know, the modern dayAmerican Hitler to be in any way

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relatable.
You know, that's this goes backwe talked about it last week,
the Al Smith dinner, which is arite of passage, which is in our
political life in America wherethe the 2 candidates, no matter
how much they hate each other,will show up at a Catholic
charity event and will will do alittle bit of a roast and will
will be tough on each other, butnot mean. And it's it's kind of
a way to heal our politics.Kamala Harris didn't go to that,

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and I'm convinced it's for thisreason. You can't normalize the
the, you know, Hitler of DonaldTrump by allowing him to, like,
do a stunt, like like runningthe fry machine at a McDonald's
or or or telling jokes at the atthe Al Smith dinner. So, yeah,
this this is just indicative ofwhat a what a complete joke our

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media is and how, frankly, theywork in cahoots with the regime,
with with our the powers thatbe, as it were, with our
government to ensure thatnothing but propaganda is ever,
disseminated to the public tothe point where they spend days
days debunking the idea thatDonald Trump actually worked at

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a McDonald's.
You know, and and they're reallymad because they were trolling
Kamala Harris, who has yet toproduce any evidence that she
has worked at McDonald's. TheMcDonald's Corporation herself
itself said it has no records ofKamala Harris ever working
there. Now this is a silly andstupid thing to argue over, but,
you know, Donald Trump didn'tbring it up. Kamala Harris
brought it up because she wantedto be more relatable to regular

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people because she worked fastfood, supposedly. I worked fast
food.
If I were in for office, the oneof the first things, I guess,
you have to tell everybody isthat I worked at Burger King,
and I got fired for Burger Kingbecause I didn't show up for
work one day. I just completelyforgot. I learned when you're on
schedule, you should show up orelse you get fired.

Oh, that is a new layer of Jim Lakeley that I was
not aware of. He, he got firedfor not showing up, not for
stealing onion rings. Let therecord show.

Jim Lakely (15:24):
I thought that did happen as well. I I I got away
with it, though.

Chris Talgo, you watch CNN and MSNBC so that we
don't have to. Was there muchcoverage of, of Donald Trump's
stunt over the weekend when itcame to work at McDonald's? What
was their take?

Yeah. I mean, it was, you know, trying to make
fun of it, trying to, downplayit. And, you know, I think the
reason why is because they aregetting very nervous because
here we are now less than 2weeks before the, the big
election day, and, things arenot looking good for vice
president Kamala Harris. And,that is why I think they are in

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freak out mode, and this isjust, you know, the latest
example of that. I mean, I thinkthis has nothing to do with, you
know, the fact that Donald Trumpwent to, McDonald's and, you
know, worked there for a fewminutes and, you know, served
French fries and all that.
It was about, oh my gosh. He'sgetting more, the good media
narrative. We need to try topush back against this as much

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as we can. That's what I reallythink is going on here. And one
of the reasons why I thinkDonald Trump's visit to
McDonald's actually worked outwell is because he's authentic.
So Donald Trump went there. Hewore his usual, you know, suit
suit and tie, put an apron onover it, and just did his thing.
And then I contrast that with,you know, like, Tim Walz going

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in going hunting, and he's gotthis perfectly brand new, you
know, like, hunting uniform onthat's not got one dirty piece
of dirt on it or blade of grasson it. He can't even load his
shotgun. So I think peopleunderstand that, and that's
happening more and more.
Kamala Harris, I think, isscared to do things like this
because she will be exposed asas a fraud. So this this, you
know, I think, plays to DonaldTrump's strengths. I know Trump

(17:05):
understands people. He's verygood with people 1 on 1. If you
actually watched all thoseinteractions, people were having
a great time.
Donald Trump was having a greattime. The, other workers at
McDonald's were having a greattime. And then I then I, you
know, look at how, Kamala Harrisor even president Biden when he
when they go to, you know, like,a gas station or a or a
convenience store or somethinglike that, it is so awkward. It

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seems like it is super duperstaged. This was organic.
This was people just having fun.This was about, you know, Donald
Trump going to Pennsylvania andtrying to, you know, you know,
talk to the people, which hedid, and he does that really,
really well. So I think that'swhy the media is so up in arms
about this. They don't it it itit's not about the, you know,
the hair net or any of that kindof stuff. It's about, oh, no.

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This guy that we are trying toportray as Adolf Hitler is
actually going to, you know, a aa famous, you know, icon in in
in, in in America, McDonald's,and he's sitting there, you
know, serving french fries to,you know, people in the drive
through, and they're having agrand old time. And it's it's
personalizing him. It's it's itit it makes him, you know, less

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of this, you know, evildictator, you know, Hitler
Hitler figure. It makes himactually just, you know, like a
normal guy. And that's why themedia is saying, oh, no.
Oh, no. We have to, you know,prevent this from, actually
resonating with the people. Butit is resonating with the
people, and nothing they can docan change that.

Yeah. You know what? I think what you said
right there towards the end isexactly, is exactly the right
point that this, like, humanizeshim and takes away this, like,
aura of him being some, like,fascist Hitler 2.0, like,
waiting to jump to power orsomething like that. And and it
makes me think of, what show wasit? Some late night show when he

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was running the first timearound where they're like, oh,
like, can I touch your hair orsomething like that?
Right. And and people, like,ragged on Jimmy Kimball for a
while because, like, thatsupposedly humanized him. You
know? The idea that he would be,like, modest enough to have
someone ruffle up his hairduring an interview or something
like that. So we can't havethat.
We have to make him look likesome tin pot dictator, and

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anything that kind of goesagainst that narrative has to
be, like, pounded in the groundas much as possible. So I think
you're exactly right on that.Jim, any last comments on this?
Otherwise, we're gonna get toour main topic.

Jim Lakely (19:23):
Let's go.

Alright. So this next story is pretty interesting
one, and, the more layers thatyou peel back on it, the more
insidious it becomes. There's afew different things at play,
but we're gonna we're gonnastart here. So journalist Paul
Thacker and Matt Taibbi, Taibbifrom the Twitter files, Taibbi,
released a bombshell report thatreveals the UK's Centre For

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Countering Digital Hate, whichis advising the Kamala Harris
campaign, has stated goals tokill Elon Musk's Twitter. So
reading from the article thatwas published by Thacker and
Taiedi, it says, in an explosiveweek with ramifications for the
upcoming US presidentialelection, internal documents
from the Center For CounteringDigital Hate, whose founder is

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British political operative,Morgan McSweeney, now advising
the Kamala Harris campaign, showthe group plans in writing to,
quote, kill Musk's Twitter whilestrengthening ties with the
Biden Harris administration andDemocrats like senator, Amy
Klobuchar, who has introducedmultiple bills to regulate

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online misinformation.
So, apparently, the Center ForCountering Digital Hate is
attempting to grow its presencein Washington, DC. Like I
mentioned, you know, readingfrom the article, working with
Kamala Harris and Democraticsenators, their plan to kill
Musk's Twitter includesattacking x's advertising

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revenue and laying thefoundation for broader
regulatory changes in thedirection of platform
censorship. One of theirproposals is called the STAR
framework, which calls for thecreation of a independent
digital regulator that could,quote, impose consequences for

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harmful content. This plan issimilar to that of Europe's
Justins, Instituted DigitalServices Act and Britain's
Online Safety Act, which putsthe national media regulator of
COM in charge of determiningfines for uncooperative
platforms. So this all soundsvery Orwellian to me, and

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considering Elon Musk's promiseof keeping x as a free speech
haven, it it just makes sensethat, it makes all the sense in
the world that Musk and x have agiant target on their back, and
they basically are just likeenemy number 1 for all of these
people that wanna crack down onfree speech under the guise of

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pushing back against, you know,disinformation or something like
that.
So, Jim, I mean, we've hadseveral episodes recently that
have all revolved around this,you know, seemingly new wave of
attacks on free speech, again,under this guise of combating
misinformation. And I know thatfree speech and censorship have
always are always kind of adiscussion, but it really seems

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like this is starting to rampup. Like, it's all seems like
it's kinda coming to a headhere. So is it too much to say
that free speech, especially,you know, looking at this, and
we'll get into some of the thethe ways that, this UK group is
working with Kamala Harris in alittle bit. But, is it is it too
much to say that free speech, atleast when it comes to online

(22:41):
speech, is kind of on the ballotthis come November?
What what are you what are yourthoughts?

Jim Lakely (22:45):
It's very much on the ballot. I think this that
makes there's so many reasonswhy this is this actually is one
of the most important electionsin our lifetimes, and it's
because we are choosing betweenfreedom and oppression. We're
choosing between the ability tospeak freely on social media
platforms and, the op theopposite of that, which is the

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suppression of our speech, whichis tyranny. I mean, that that's
really this is just one of manyexamples of what this election
is really about. That's why it'sactually quite remarkable and
very encouraging that Elon Muskis not just supporting Donald
Trump for president.
He is stumping for him in thekey state of Pennsylvania,
giving to pet crowds. I mean,you know, the left doesn't like

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him, but Elon Musk is a manthat's greatly admired by many,
many Americans. And he alsohappens to be a pretty
interesting fella. I mean, youknow, I think he's on the
spectrum and his public speakingskills are, something he's
actually worked very hard on.But he makes the point, I think
he was in Pittsburgh just theother day talking about how, you
know, our ability to speakfreely really is on the ballot

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this year.
I mean, looking at that at thatstory, you know, Elon Musk says
this is war because it it it is.I mean, this outfit and
everything everything about thissort of thing, it it falls into
a pattern. This organization iscalled Center For Countering
Digital Hate. It's it'sOrwellian. Everything about all

(24:13):
of these things is just straightout of George Orwell's 1984.
They're not their their job isnot to counter digital hate.
It's to suppress the the freeexpression of anybody who is in
opposition to the ruling class.Period. That's the end and the
only purpose of theseorganizations, and there are
lots of them. Lots of themactually end up getting United

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States taxpayer money to existand to collude with the
government to suppress yourspeech, which I know I don't
have to remind people of this,but that's unconstitutional.
And if something isunconstitutional, it's also
illegal. These are crimes beingcommitted by the ruling class
against the people. And forwhat? Not for not for spouting

(24:54):
hate or misinformation ordisinformation, Just the the the
most powerful institutions onEarth today are being weaponized
against ordinary citizens forthe sin, the crime of speaking
out and criticizing the rulingclass. That is what everything
that's what this election isgoing to be about.

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Because Elon Musk, has promised,I guess, if he's invited, to be
part of the, Trumpadministration if the American
people get to elect him to bepresident. And that's going to
be a very, very wonderful thingand interesting thing. And,
hopefully, it's wonderful, butit's gonna be very interesting
because we're not only would wehave an outsider as president,
we would we would have anoutsider who, Trump wants to put

(25:37):
in charge of making thegovernment more efficient. He'll
be the efficiency czar. I think,Elon Musk will also be the first
amendment czar, ensuring thatthe cabal, the the conspiracy
between government and everyother social media outlet except
for x, they can't even allowthat.
They can't allow one socialmedia outlet to not collude with

(25:59):
the ruling class to suppressyour speech. That is too much.
And that in in in their eyes,they're actually correct because
it doesn't take a lot of freespeech to take down a corrupt,
government. And if you allow iton x, that is a big problem for
these people. And so, yes, tohave it written down, this it's
so it's it's almost mind blowinghow they say the quiet parts out

(26:22):
loud now.
They have they seem to have nofear of being found out and
stopped because they they aresetting it up so that the people
actually do not have the poweranymore to stop them. It says it
here in black and white. KillMusk's Twitter. That is a goal
of the Center For CounteringDigital Hate in in collusion and
cooperation with the governmentto violate the free speech

(26:45):
rights of of everybody, inAmerica. And and the one of the
I'll let Chris have it go atthis in a minute.
But one of the real insidiousthings about this is that this
is a this is an American and UK,you know, suppression of speech,
coordination effort here goingon. And we have seen videos,
I've seen videos, on x of allplaces, of police officers

(27:07):
showing up at the door ofBritish citizens who thought
they were living in a freecountry to arrest them or cite
them and certainly to harassthem for posting so called hate
speech on their Facebook page orsomething. This is happening in
the United Kingdom right now,and they want that to happen
here in the United States. Andif this election, goes the way

(27:28):
that the Center For CounteringDigital Hate would like it to
go, that is going to happen inthis country. Leave there there
should be no doubt about in yourmind that that is that is what
they aim for, and they will beable to accomplish it.

Yeah, Chris. I mean, remember the days it
weren't that long ago when thethe the talking point when it
came to, like, online censorshipwas that it wasn't happening,
and that it was all just these,like, made up, conservative
stories of us, like, chasingphantoms or whatever. And then
it moved to, like, oh no, it'sjust like moderation. You know,

(28:01):
Don Lemon talks about we're justmoderating, you know. And now
we've gotten to the point whereit just says kill Musk's
Twitter.
So it's like, can you reallyblame Elon Musk for, going so
hard when it comes to kind ofcampaigning this season around,
but, I don't know. What are yourthoughts on that?

This is, you know, I think multipasseted topic. So
first, you know, I think a lotof Americans don't know it, but,
most European countries,including the UK, including
Germany, do not have freedom ofspeech. They actually do not
have a first amendment rightcalled the freedom of speech. So
this is more or less allowed in,places, you know, like the
United Kingdom and, you know, incountries across Europe. It's

(28:41):
not allowed in the United Statesof America.
That's why we have the firstamendment to protect against
this. And for, you know, 230something years, generally
speaking, for the most part, weabide by that. And, you know, I
go back to, you know, Skokie,Illinois, you know, back in in
the, 19 seventies when the KKKwanted to have a march here in

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Skokie, Illinois, which has avery, you know, high Jewish
population. And the ACLU and allthese other organizations said,
actually, they do have the rightto do that. We're not agreeing
with what they're saying, butthey have the right to say that.
And that's a big, big thing thatI think is completely being lost
on, people's minds these daysis, well, we just don't like

(29:23):
what they're saying, so we wantthem to stop saying it, and we
want the government to go in andprevent them from saying that.
And that is just flat outblatantly un American. On the
Elon Musk thing. So, you know, acouple of years ago, Elon Musk
was actually on the left,believe it or not. He's been a
leftist.
I think deep down, I think hedoes have much more liberal

(29:44):
tendencies, than, MAGAtendencies or whatever you wanna
call it. But as he said in a, ashe posted and tweeted in a
famous tweet that when it couldwhen it was Twitter, he hasn't
left the Democrat party. TheDemocrat party's left him, and
he had a great meme, I think,where it was like the Democrat
party's, like, gone this far tothe left, and he's still here,

(30:04):
and the Republican party'sbasically still there. So it
just makes sense that he wouldalign with them. And we're
seeing this happening in manyother instances.
We're seeing Tulsi Gabbard whojust announced that she has
officially quit the Democratparty and has now joined the
Republican party, not becauseshe's, because she's completely
changed her her stances on thesethings, but because the Democrat
party, the left, has become sucha shell of what they once were.

(30:28):
And then she has made a big dealabout freedom of speech being
one of the biggest reasons whyshe's done so, and I completely
applaud her and agree with herfor doing so. So, you know, this
when I when I when I think backto, Twitter before Elon Musk and
back when the, the left had a,you know, a monopoly on all the
social media platforms andalmost all of mainstream media
platforms and

a monopoly on all the social media platforms and
almost all of the

mainstream media except for Fox News and a couple
others. Man, they love thosedays because they could totally
set the narrative. Thank godthat Elon Musk solved this
happening and said, you knowwhat? I'm gonna overpay by
1,000,000,000 of dollars forthis for this platform, Twitter,
and I'm gonna make make it backas to what it was supposed to be

(31:10):
originally. It was supposed tobe a place where people can just
go and state their opinions.
Section 230 says you cannotactually say their you know, you
cannot say things that are, youknow, pornographic in nature or
post pornographic images or, youknow, things like that. That's
not what this is about. This isabout people just having the
ability to just say what theythink on a public platform that

(31:33):
is supposed to be the modern daytown square. And, it just drives
the left crazy. And, of ofcourse, it drives, you know, the
UK, the Labour Party, who's incharge there now, totally crazy.
Because guess what? Everythingthat Donald Trump is espousing
is actually gonna, not harmthem, but it's not gonna help
them nearly as much as the Bidenadministration would. Because

(31:54):
guess what? Unlike our modernday left, the the Republican
Party, GOP, the Trump movement,whatever you wanna call it, they
actually care about Americansfirst. And I think that that's
what this is really about.
So I'm so glad that Elon Muskhad the foresight to see that
this was happening and to,grossly overpay for Twitter with

(32:15):
not because he wanted to turn itinto this, you know, you know,
profitable business per se,because I actually think he's
losing lots of money off itbecause advertisers are leaving
and all these other things. Butbecause he said, you know what?
This this is essential for themaintenance of a free society,
and he has followed through onthat. And good for him, and I
don't know where we'd be at thispoint in time if we did not have

(32:36):
this, if we didn't have theTwitter files and all these
other, you know, things thathave come to, come to our
attention as to how thegovernment was, you know,
colluding and basicallycensoring Americans', you know,
opinions for several years. And,Donnie, it's I I almost forget
that they first completely triedto deny it, the shadow banning,
all that kind of stuff.

(32:57):
No. This isn't happening. You'retotally just, you know, making
you're you're just imaginingthis. But we all knew it was
happening, and then now that theTwitter files have come out and,
you know, all these otherreports, now we have direct
evidence that it was happening.So, you know, once again, I
think that date is when we, youknow, look back 10, 15, 20 years
from now, we are going tocongratulate Elon Musk for

(33:20):
having the backbone to say, youknow what?
I'm gonna buy this this, this,you know, media platform, and
I'm gonna go against the grainof the, you know, the the
leftist narrative of saying,hey. You know what? Just play
ball with us, and everything'sgonna be okay. And look at how
brave and courageous he is. He'sgot so much on the line.

(33:41):
He's already under attack fromCalifornia for a bunch of, you
know, BS. And, you know, the guyis just, you know, super strong
and, you know, ardently believesin freedom of speech. And thank
God he's around, and thank Godhe put up the money to buy
Twitter and, keep it, you know,a free open platform.

Yeah. I mean, just just the brazenness of
having that, you know, the wordslike kill Musk's Twitter. Like,
it's not even it's not even,necessarily indicative of just,
like, an ideology. You know?Like, oh, we just wanna make
sure that there's no fake newsand misinformation being spread.
No. It says kill Musk's Twitter.Like, that's like a personal

(34:19):
attack at, Elon Musk and whathe's trying to do. But that's
that that alone, I think, is,like, worthy of having this
whole podcast, you know,dedicated to this this thing,
this idea of, like, kill Musk'sTwitter. But the story goes
further.
So this expose from, Thacker andTaibbi, goes to show that this
Morgan McSweeney, the the guythat was, like, the founder of

(34:41):
this, center for counteringdigital hate, who has been
instrumental in many prominentUK officials attaining office,
has been advising Kamala notonly on issues relating to
squashing free speech online,but on the, general election
strategy. So according to thisreport, I'm reading from the
report now, in the last 2months, the Washington Post and

(35:03):
Politico, among others, have runa series of features about
British advisers from LabourTogether. That's another
McSweeney creation, rescuing thedistressed political damsel that
is the Harris Walls campaign.Political cast McSweeney as a,
quote, election mastermind whofirst helped hear stamp, Starmer

(35:25):
defeat leftist Jeremy Corbyn tobecome the head of, the Labor
Party. All the way to Starmer'slandslide win over conservatives
to become prime minister thispast July, implying that
McSweeney and his team canperform similar miracle for
Harris.
Democrats will supposedly learnfrom Labor Party's tactical
brilliance. Again, still readingfrom the report here. The new

(35:50):
British government also believesthat Harris' defeat would leave
Starmer alone as the keeper ofthe center left flame and in
worrying isolation as the GrandAtlantic Alliance's last hope.
On top of providing electionstrategy, over 100 current and
former labor staffers have begunknocking on doors for Harris

(36:13):
this summer, drawing howls fromTrump surrogates such as
Sebastian Gorka, who called it abloody outrage. So, Jim,
staffers from a liberal party ofa foreign nation going door to
door campaigning for KamalaHarris, that's not
electionference interference, isit?

Jim Lakely (36:32):
No. I mean, one of our one of our long regular
viewers here on on YouTube,said, hey. That sounds like
election foreign electioninterference. It sure it sure
would seem to meet thedefinition of that. Look.
This is the you know, we we'vetalked a lot on this podcast. I
know we have the book, the newbook Propaganda Wars, with Glenn

(36:54):
Beck and also with, with theHeartland Institute's Justin
Haskins, contributing to thatbook as a co author, about, you
know, the global elites and theWorld Economic Forum and, you
know, what we call the rulingclass, the global ruling class,
and how they are allcoordinating together. If you
would have asked me 5 years agoif we would be talking publicly

(37:17):
on a podcast about the rulingelite in the United Kingdom
coordinating with the rulingclass here in the United States
to suppress the speech ofanybody who voices even the
slightest bit of criticism ofthem and their policies and to
start defining everything asdisinformation, misinformation,

(37:38):
or malinformation, and hatespeech and using those as
justifications to well, theywant to kill Twitter to actually
absolutely destroy the publicsquare in which people can
actually speak their minds. Iwould have thought you were
absolutely crazy and nuts.There's no way that that would
happen in the in the West, inthe free world as it is today.

(37:59):
But here we are. When the peopleget to speak their minds, that's
a danger to the ruling class.And so they cannot allow it to
happen. Chris was bringing thisup too, you know, how Elon Musk
was, you know, probablyconsidered himself a man of the
left, certainly maybe not a manof the left, but certainly a
liberal, a classical liberalthat somebody who would define

(38:21):
themselves as a liberal, say, inthe year, you know, 2,002. And
the, you know, the Overtonwindow of politics, liberal
politics and politics on theleft has moved so far left that
it is, you can't even see itanymore as as the, Andy's
bringing up that, that thatcartoon that kind of shows what
has happened to the world overthe last, you know, 20 years or

(38:44):
so.
And it seems to be accelerating.But I it it really is important.
This it's amazing. No, it's notamazing. You might notice who is
not reporting on this, you know,this coordination to suppress
free speech, which used to beconsidered un American.

(39:05):
And the people not reporting onthat are the corp the corrupt
corporate media in the UnitedStates and in Britain for that
matter. You have to get it fromplaces like Substack or
Breitbart or Zero Hedge or otherblogs and places. And the fact
that Elon Musk, put the task ofuncovering the Twitter files, he

(39:25):
basically just opened up thedatabase and and let a
journalist, a liberal journaliston the left, Matt Taibbi, to dig
into it and to find out what wasgoing on. Michael Shellenberger,
who we've had on this program,is a classic liberal. He's he
would consider himself somebodyhe would not consider himself a
conservative.
He was also unleashed on theTwitter files to find out about

(39:47):
all the shadow banning, aboutall of the all the the meetings
that they had, all of thethreatening letters they were
getting from the governmentsaying, you know, you need to,
you need to play ball with us onthis by not letting people say
anything against what we thinkis happening in COVID or with
lockdowns or with masks or anyof that stuff. You better not

(40:08):
let any of that speech happenor, you might you're gonna be in
big trouble. You know, thatsection 230 that you enjoy,
we're maybe we're gonna have torevisit that. That is called
extortion. Those are crimes.
And one of the most frustratingthings about what we're
witnessing going on in the worldright now, and maybe this is why
the left and the ruling classare so desperate to keep Trump

(40:28):
out of the White House, isbecause a lot of what has been
happening over the last coupleof years are crimes. It is
illegal to do these things.You're not allowed to extort a
private company using thetemporary power you have as a
bureaucrat in the government.That's criminal that's criminal
activity. But instead, we livein a world in which people who
don't commit crimes are pursued,you know, like the Texas Rangers

(40:52):
pursuing pursuing a criminal.
If you don't commit any crimes,the government's coming after
you. If you commit actualcrimes, you get away with them,
and you just slink off, andbecome a CNN contributor. And
this goes all the way back toall the crimes that were
committed when they startedspying on Donald Trump's
campaign and then his presidencyand then cooked up the whole
Russia collusion hoax and allthese other things. Though that

(41:13):
we we seem to have become numbto the level of corruption that
is now just ensconced anddefinitionally what our power
sources and our and ourgovernment are these days. I I
we have to wake up sometimesbecause it is really easy to
become numb and to think it'sthe norm that our government
sees the people as the enemy.

(41:34):
You know, Kamala Harris goingout there talking about Donald
Trump's out there calling peoplethe enemy within. You know,
again, everything is projection.Our own governments from from
Great Britain to United Stateslooks at the American people as
the enemy to their, to theiraims and certainly to their
power structure. So this there'sa lot on the line in this
election, man.

Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. And, you know, if the
center for countering digitalhate sounds familiar, it should,
because they released a reportback in January called the new
climate denial. Do you rememberthis, Jim or Chris?
We covered this on our show.Yeah. Yeah. This accused climate
realists like the HeartlandInstitute of profiting off the

(42:14):
spread of disinformation andclimate denial. The report
accused the the HeartlandInstitute and others for
shifting from old denial as theylabel it, this is the claim that
man made global warming does notexist, to the new denial, the
claim that proposed solutions todealing with climate change
won't work.
It's just like, can you justimagine that, like, accusing

(42:37):
someone of being a climatedenialist if they think
transitioning to a 100% wind andsolar would be ineffective and
detrimental to the economy?You're a climate denier. So
after outlining the new denial,the center for Countering
Digital Hate proposed harsherrestrictions be imposed on big
tech companies to squash thesupposed misinformation. And a

(42:58):
few months after that report,our channel was demonetized on
YouTube, and, the Center ForCountering Digital Hates took
credit for our demonetization,posting on x, win. YouTube has
demonetized the HeartlandInstitute, a leading climate
denial think tank.
In April, we led 24organizations in calling on

(43:20):
YouTube to enforce its climatepolicies. So, yeah. So every one
of these episodes where I startoff talking about how YouTube
is, demonetized us, well, you'vegot the Center For Countering
Digital Hate, the same groupthat is advocating for killing
Musk's Twitter is over therecelebrating that fact and taking
credit for it. So so, Chris, theCenter For Countering Digital

(43:44):
Hate works with government andcorporations to squash free
speech, but Trump is thefascist. Got it.
What are your thoughts on this?

So the Center For Counter Countering Digital Hate,
I I don't see the the hate thatthey're trying to counter here.
It seems like they're justtrying to counter the, truth,
and it seems like they're tryingto counter information that
people, want want to have accessto. So I I think that the the
name of this place is just, youknow, completely off base. And

(44:15):
when you really think about it,I mean, they're the ones who are
spewing hatred. They're the oneswho are who are, you know, being
the aggressors here.
They're the ones who are saying,hey. You can't do this. You
can't do that. You know? The thethe the whole notion of just
live and let live, I guess, doesnot apply to the to to these
people whatsoever.
They want to control. They wannacontrol all information, and it

(44:36):
just bothers them to the nthdegree that one social media
platform, one, out of, you know,7 or 8 of the, you know, the the
big boys allows free informationto flow, and they just can't
take that. And, you know, we doput a I on this show, we talk a
lot about the mainstream mediaand all that stuff. But if you

(44:57):
do look at the at the, ratingsand they're they're going way
down. People are not watchingCNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and NBC
nearly as much as they used to.
They're turning to thesealternative, sources, whether
it's Instagram, whether it'sFacebook, whether it's, you
know, x. And x, I think, plays avery crucial role in that

(45:18):
universe because x in real timekinda sets the, you know, the it
it it it it's it's like it'slike a new scoreboard, and you
can just constantly update itand see it in real time what's
trending, what's happening, whatare people, you know, thinking
about these things. And thatdoes have value, and we want it
to be as open as possible. Wewant it to be just a, you know,
a a a place where people can,you know, espouse their opinions

(45:42):
and and and say what they likeas long as they're obviously
not, you know, you know, saying,you know, saying terrible things
about other people, like, youknow, go kill Donald Trump or
whatever. But that's what it'ssupposed to be, and that is what
it is, you know, becoming again,and that's that's great for us
for people who wanna seek thetruth, but it's terrible for
those people who want to controlthe narrative because they feel

(46:04):
like they have lost control ofthe narrative.
And they're right. They are.They have.

Yeah. Well, it's a it's a it's a tool in a battle
of information. Right? And it'slike when you're lining up all
of the tanks of the mainstreammedia, whether it's CNN or ABC
or NBC, MSNBC, whatever. Andthey've just, like, kind of
mowing down the competition.
You've got, like, Fox News or,like, the Blaze as being these

(46:31):
kind of outliers on the otherside of it. But then you've got
something massive like Twitterthat, like, essentially shifted
size of this information battle,when, when when Elon Musk
purchased it. That's a hugethreat to the establishment in
this, you know, institution of,you know, trying to curate the
information that goes to thegeneral public. So it has to be

(46:54):
demolished. Hence, we have tokill Musk's Twitter.
I think it's very, very obviousthat that's what's going on
here, and that's why I wannadedicate

some of

my questions, though, to that.

For decades now. Decades.

Right.

I'd say, really, since maybe, like, you know,
2000, really, the left has beenthe the gatekeepers, when it
comes to the media, when itcomes to the flow of
information. And, you know, thatchanged a lot when Elon Musk
decided to pony up and, buyTwitter and put his money where
his mouth is, and it just driveshim insane. And Right. I think
that that that's, you know,that's gonna continue. It's not

(47:27):
gonna they're they're not gonnachange their minds on this
anytime soon.

Oh, definitely not. Yeah. And it goes for,
like, Joe Rogan having thebiggest show out there that
dwarfs any other kind of mediashow. They're all threats to the
institution that they have triedto construct over the past
several decades.

Yep.

Which brings me to this new book here. This is
the new book Propaganda Warsauthored by Glenn Beck and our
very own Justin Haskins. Also,you have to flip open the book
to see this one, but the mostimportant the most important
thing right there is contributorDonald Kendall right there. So

(48:04):
Justin is actually probablycurrently on a flight back from
Dallas where he was down on,Glenn Beck show and various
other shows in the Blaze Networktalking about the book. But like
I said, I'm a contributor, so Ican be here, and I can talk
about, on the book.
So no worries there. So thisbook covers a handful of topics,

(48:24):
but its main theme is the ideaof information dissemination in
the modern battleground, indomestic and even international
affairs, and that thisinformation warfare is getting
more sophisticated as technologyadvances. It's getting harder
and harder for your averageperson to determine what is fact
and what is fiction, and, whatwe are witnessing today is an

(48:47):
all out assault on truth, andit's tearing the nation apart.
So Glenn and Justin in this bookalso give readers a step by step
guide to identifying anddeconstructing past, present,
and future propaganda efforts.It is also important for us to
get this book out ahead ofelection time for reasons that
I'll make clear in a minute.

(49:08):
The book is fantastic. I couldpersonally guarantee you that,
and I just wanna run throughsome of my favorite aspects of
the book. Not to not to, youknow, give everything away, but
just to kind of wet yourappetite of of what you're gonna
get when you pick up and readthis book. So the first chapter,
I'm not gonna go through everychapter, I'm just gonna hit some
of my favorite things, but thefirst chapter is called welcome

(49:31):
to clown world. It's probably myfavorite chapter name in the
book, but this goes through someof the most ridiculous stories
that have come out in the pastfew years.
You know, like the idea thatmath is racist, the coverage or
lack thereof of Biden's obviousmental decline, ignoring stories
of Chinese spies and theirrelationships with certain

(49:52):
democrat politicians, bald crossdressing, luggage stealing
weirdos, and how they holdsignificant roles of power in
our government, transgenderactivists being made the
spokesperson of beer companies.All of these just like
ridiculous stories and how themedia have tried to present
these stories to the generalpublic, trying to convince them

(50:14):
that this is all just normal. Sothe the that's the first one.
Just kinda showing the power ofthe media to try to normalize
all of this just insane stuff.If any one of those stories were
to happen even 10 years ago, Ithink everyone would reject it
as just being lunacy.
But, here we are in 2024.There's a significant amount of

(50:36):
attention that is paid, like Isaid, to this kind of emerging
technologies that are havingthese massive effects on just
the way that we consumeinformation. One of the sections
talks about super echo chambers.I'm sure most people here are
familiar with the idea of echochambers, the idea that people
are only getting their newsfrom, you know, certain sources
that serve to back up theirpreviously held beliefs.

(50:59):
Generally speaking, this isusually seen more so as a
choice, people choosing to watchFox News or CNN depending on
where their politicalallegiances line up.
However, now technology advancedso much that people are
increasingly getting sucked intosuper echo chambers. When
online, much of the content thata person is exposed to is

(51:21):
dictated not necessarily bychoice, but by advanced
algorithms that can know basedon what you slow down and read
and click on that you like x andy. So it'll decide that it's
only gonna show you x and y sothat you stay on the platform
for longer. So the book talksabout, this kind of, phenomenon

(51:42):
as well as an amazing study byThe Wall Street Journal that
shows that sites and and appslike Instagram and TikTok push
increasingly radical content topeople using these advanced
algorithms, basically, just likepushing people further and
further, dividing them furtherand further into separate camps.

(52:02):
There's a whole section on botsand the idea of the dead
Internet theory.
The book goes into how much ofthe content and interactions
online are the products of botsand otherwise fake accounts that
are pushing an agenda. The bookdives into a bunch of different
organizations and agencies fromaround the world whose job it is
to manipulate online dialogue,to spin narratives that help

(52:25):
push their agenda. I thinkRussia's Internet Research
Agency is probably the bestknown example of this because
you actually have the mediatalked about this, you know, in
the run up to the election thatthey were trying to manipulate
stuff. But virtually everycountry utilizes this strategy
to one extent or another. I'mtalking about Iran.
I'm talking about China, NorthKorea, but it's western

(52:46):
countries as well. So the bookgets into that very deep.
Deepfakes, a personalinteresting topic to me, is is
discussed pretty thoroughly inthis book. We've talked about
deepfakes on this show a lot,the idea that AI technology can
be used to simulate a person'slook and speech to create
incredibly realistic fake videosor audio clips with the purpose

(53:09):
of spreading misinformation. Thebook shows example after example
of this and how it's been usedthroughout the world already to
manipulate election outcomes.
And that was one of the reasonswhy it was so important for
Glenn and Justin and I to getthis book out before the
election because it's basicallywarning that, you know, some
potential giant October surprisevideo that comes out might be

(53:33):
completely fabricated because ofthe technology that's available
now. So this is the the the oneof the kind of the core aspects
of this book is, you know, that,that old saying, you know,
believe nothing of what you hearand only half of what you see.
But when you take all of thistechnology into account and the
way that the media landscape hasmorphed over the past couple of

(53:54):
years, you kinda have to youkinda have to, lower that bar
even more. So now it's likebelieve nothing of what you what
you hear and 1 16th of what yousee. So, the book is, like I
said, it's fantastic.
It's available now. You canGoogle it. You can find it on
Amazon. You can go to theGlendex store and order a copy

(54:15):
today. Chris, I know that youhave a copy as well, and I know
that you actually startedreading it.
So do you have any thoughts,comments, questions so far?

Yeah. So I've gone through chapter 1. Chapter 1 is
great. It just sets the tone tohow, you know, upside down
everything has become in recentyears, but I do wanna just, you
know, kinda circle back to oneof the things that you were
talking about earlier. So thethe notion of these echo
chambers.
And, when I think back to when Iwhen I first started really,
like, paying attention topolitics and policy and watching

(54:47):
the news and all that stuff, Ithink back to CNN and MSNBC. And
what they almost always had onwas they would have a right
person and a left person. Theywould let them go back and
forth. On CNN and MSNBC, thatalmost completely just does not
exist anymore. When they do havea panel, they might have one
token, person from the right,but they are drowned out by 5 or
6 other people from the left.

(55:08):
Fox News pretty much kind oftells the same thing, except
they do have their, you know,their their people on 9 5 and
some of the other programs whodo give the, the other
perspective. But it just seemsodd to me, and it seems like
it's a bizarre twist of thesenew technologies because they're
supposed to give us more accessinformation. However, it seems

(55:30):
like the opposite is happening,and people are coming becoming
much more, interested in justseeking anything that is going
to reinforce what they alreadythink. So it's like the
confirmation bias, I think, hasjust gone up tenfold due to
these technological, you know,updates that we've had in terms
of how people can receive theirnews. I think the algorithms and

(55:53):
all that kind of stuff has madeit even worse.
So I you know, that's why Imean, I personally don't get my
my news from, you know, socialmedia at all. You know, I try
to, you you know, to go directto the source, try to, you know
you know, get different pointsof view. But I can see how this

(56:13):
is creating, almost, you know, aa group of people that are just
completely unaware of what'sreally going on because they
just get this, you know,curtailed version of what is
actually happening, and it'sit's, supposed to fit everything
that they, you know, alreadybelieve. And that's dangerous

(56:35):
because I think back wow. Youknow?
What if a dictator like AdolfHitler or Stalin or Pol Pot or
someone had access to this kindof information? They could
completely indoctrinate andbrainwash their population so
much more easily than they hadto do in the old way where it
was blaring radio messages, youknow, and and and newspapers and
that kind of a thing. So, Ithink your book really touches

(56:58):
upon something that is veryimportant for the future, and
it's just so strange. It's it itit it's hard for me to, you
know, to to connect these thesetwo dots here where the
technologies that we've, youknow, been introduced to in the
past, you know, 10, 15, 20 yearshas vastly increased the amount

(57:18):
of information that we canaccess. However, people's
knowledge and people'swillingness to dive deep into
these subjects, I think, hasactually gone way down.
You know, people go and and andthey just, you know, do a Google
search and whatever comes upfirst, they click on that. Okay.
That's the answer. Well, no.That's not the answer.
You need to really dig deep. It,you know, takes time to, you
know, analyze things. You know,think of all the context. Think

(57:40):
of all the other things that arecoming in here. So, you know,
the the, technologies that youtalk about, the AI, the, the
algorithms and all that is insome ways, I think, making
people dumber, which is justfascinating in, you know, in in
in a way because you would thinkthat the more access to
information people have, thesmarter they will be because

(58:02):
they will have, you know, more,access to all different points
of view, and they can do theirtheir due diligence and do their
research.
That's not happening. So, Ithink your book raises some very
interesting points about, thethe the future of how human
beings access information andhow we need to, actually just be

(58:22):
much more better about, makingsure that the information that
we are receiving is in fact thetruth. And that usually takes a
long time, and it's intensive,and it takes a lot of effort,
but it's always worth it.

Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. And and one thing that,
Glenn was very, very clear aboutfrom, like, day 1 on, working on
this book was that, like, hewanted to make sure that it was
solution orientated. Yeah.
He he made it very clear that hedidn't want to just, like, stand
in a bonfire and say it'sgetting hot in here. Like, he

(58:57):
wanted to have some solutions.So it's very solution
orientated. There there's a lotof, you know, pointing out stuff
that we talk about in thispodcast a lot in terms of what
the media does, but it also kindof puts some of the
responsibility on the reader tobe able to figure out and use
the tools that are presented inthis book to be able to better

(59:19):
figure out what is real and notreal because misinformation is
not just purely, you know, onone side of the political aisle.
Like, we have a responsibilityas well to make sure that we're
not spreading fake news and allof that and undermining our
credibility.
So, yeah, it's very, veryimportant book. There's a lot of
very interesting stuff, that youprobably aren't gonna get from

(59:42):
your average conservative bookout there that is in this book.
Stuff that you'll probably wouldhear if you're a constant
listener to this show, butyou're gonna love you're gonna
love this book. So definitelywanna check that out.

Hey, Johnny. Just one more quick comment. So for
our for our viewers andlisteners who are familiar with
Yuval Harari, it's interestingbecause I just started reading
Yuval Harari's book, which iscalled Nexus, which is kind of
about the same thing, but hetakes the complete opposite
point of view. So it's justinteresting that these books
actually came out right aroundthe same time, and I I find it

(01:00:14):
very fascinating to read both ofthem and to consider both, you
know, points of view. Obviously,I agree more with, you know,
what's in propaganda wars, but Ithink that that that that's
another example of this isdon't.
And I just I I think that, youknow, all Americans should do
this. Don't just read everythingthat that, you know, reinforces
your point of view. It'sactually very helpful and very

(01:00:35):
necessary sometimes to go andsay, I wanna go and see what the
other side is saying, or I wannajust, you know, just read a book
that's the total opposite ofthat. Sometimes it makes you
question things, and that's avery good thing. So please, you
know, please, I just, hope.
That is why I watch CNN. That'swhy I watch MSNBC. That's why I
read books by, you know, avowedleftist because it it would just
be, I would be limiting myself,if I were to only watch and and

(01:01:00):
read things that, you know,reinforce the the beliefs that I
already have.

Donald Kendal (01:01:04):
Right. You gotta you gotta sharpen your, thoughts
and mind against a whetstone ofchallenging ideas. So, yeah, if
you're just if you're justwatching and and listening to
and reading stuff that agreeswith you, you're actually kind
of stunting your own ability tohave, like, critical thinking
and all of that. So That

Chris Talgo (01:01:22):
is that is very true. Yep.

So we're we're already in an hour, but my my
sidebar prevents me from justending the show. We have to talk
about the fact that the electionis only 11 days away, folks. 11
days away. So just just kind of,you know, we'll we'll be brief
on this, but just kind ofbranching off of the, of the

(01:01:46):
topic, I guess, that we'vecovered over the past couple of
weeks. It really feels reallyfeels I'm turning into Joe Biden
over here.
Really feels like the Harriscampaign is getting desperate,
and it seems like they're justgoing off the deep end. And the
just the past several days,Kamala and her team and the
media, but I repeat myself, haveaccused Trump of defending

(01:02:07):
Hitler, sexually assaulting somenew woman 30 years ago, wishing
that he had Nazi generals. Ithink, actually, Kamala Harris
came out and did, like, a fakepress conference Yes. Talking
about these allegations some ofthese allegations that That

allegation has been completely debunked. Completely.

Jim Lakely (01:02:23):
We have a clip of it if you want.

Yeah. Okay. Let's go let's play this clip. This
trigger warning. Kamala Harrisabout to talk.
Go ahead.

Kamala Harris (01:02:31):
Of Americans. All of this is further evidence for
the American people of whoDonald Trump really is. This is
a window into who Donald Trumpreally is From the people who
know him best. From the peoplewho worked with him side by side
in the Oval Office and in thesituation room. And it is clear

(01:02:56):
from John Kelly's words thatDonald Trump is someone who I
quote, certainly falls into thegeneral definition of fascist.

Oh my gosh.

Who in fact vowed to be a dictator on day 1.

Oh my gosh.

And vowed to use the military as his personal
militia to carry out hispersonal and political
vendettas. Donald Trump isincreasingly unhinged and
unstable. And in a second term,people like John Kelly would not
be there to be the guardrailsagainst his propensities and his

(01:03:32):
actions. Those who once tried tostop him from pursuing his worst
impulses would no longer bethere

Mhmm.

And no longer be there to reign him in. So the
bottom line is this. We knowwhat Donald Trump wants. He
wants unchecked power. Thequestion in 13 days will be what
do the American people want?
Thank you.

Yeah. Yeah. So we won't have John Bolton over
there stopping Donald Trump fromacting on his worst impulses of
not going to war. Thanks,thanks, Kamala Harris. Jim, I
mean, it's really, reallystarting to get pathetic.
What what are your thoughts onthis in the last 11 days leading
up to the election?

Well, I guess the upshot of this, the the silver
lining on that utterlydisgusting and frankly you talk
about dangerous speech, that'sdangerous speech. If they're if
we're gonna start if we're gonnastart having those definitions,
if we're gonna start talkingabout that, that's dangerous
speech. But the the upshot ofthis is that they must be in
they must know that they're inbig, big trouble, and that

(01:04:40):
Donald Trump is, their owninternal polling must show that
Donald Trump is poised to winthis election, in 11 days. But,
you know, it also proves to methat they really do they really
do want Donald Trump dead.They're o for 2.
Calling him Hitler, sayingnobody will be there to, you
know, these impulses. We wentthrough 4 years. So, now, I

(01:05:02):
guess, the new spin is the onlyreason we didn't fall into a a a
fascist hellscape under DonaldTrump's first administration is
because brave heroes like JohnBolton and John Kelly and and
and Mark Milley, and the jointchiefs of staff were were there
to stop him. Mark Milley is theone who was in contact behind

(01:05:25):
the scenes with the ChineseCommunist government behind the
back of his president, and thatmeans behind the back of the
American people, to assure them,don't you worry. I'm not gonna
be I will not follow any ordersthat this president gives gives
because I don't believe he islegitimate.
And so there was somebody in thein the chat wondering, who is
this ruling class I am referringto? Who are these people? Those

(01:05:47):
are those people. Mark Milley,you know, John Kelly, all the
all these people that are thatare, who decide on their own, by
their own account, that thechoice of the American people is
illegitimate and that we willnot allow the will of the people
to be expressed in policythrough the president that they
choose. They spent 4 yearsthwarting almost everything

(01:06:09):
Donald Trump tried to accomplishin the mandate that he got from
the American people, and theywill try to do it again.
But using this kind of talk, itshows me that they they they had
two plans to stop Donald Trumpand to get first Joe Biden, now
Kamala Harris over the finishline to continue the, the regime
as we know it. And that was toeither throw him in jail or then

(01:06:32):
if when that wasn't working out,apparently, to try to get him
killed. You do not use this thiskind of language is really
unprecedented in this country. Imean, I know. I know.
I know. Every Republican iscalled Hitler. There's a there
was a great thread I saw on xthat if you go all the way back
to, you know, Mitt Romney wasHitler. George w Bush, of
course, was Hitler. Look,there's a website called Chimpy

(01:06:53):
McBush Hitler, as a matter offact.
Every every Republicanpresidential candidate is called
Hitler. This is not this is notnew in that respect. But this is
getting this is a seriousattempt by them to do one of 2
things. I I mean, I really dothink they if if they are if
they mean it when they say thesethings, then what are they
asking people to do that youneed to stop him? And, of

(01:07:15):
course, Kamala Harris says this.
As vice president, in front ofthe vice presidential residence,
she uses her official vicepresidential account to say
these sorts of things on x, bythe way, and she does have free
speech to seek and say them. ButI don't know how appropriate
that is for a sitting vicepresident to do that. And the
irony, of course, is that theones with unchecked power is the
regime in power right now.They're the ones who, you know,

(01:07:38):
do censor the free speech ofAmericans. Biden is the one
who's locking up his politicalopponents and even said, on a on
a stump for Kamala Harrissomewhere, like, 20 people in
the room because nobody wants tosee him, that we gotta lock him
up, meaning Donald Trump.
They're the ones who weaponizedthe Department of Justice and
the CIA and the IRS to goagainst political opponents.
They're the ones coordinatingwith the 5 Eyes intelligence

(01:07:59):
agencies around the world to spyon Americans because it's
illegal for the Americans to dothat on their own. You know,
they're the ones classifyingAmericans who show up angry at
school board meetings because ofthe indoctrination, and
inappropriate curricula fortheir children and calling them
domestic terrorists. So, youknow, it's Kamala Harris who
wants to get rid of thefilibuster. It's Kamala Harris

(01:08:21):
who wants to stack the SupremeCourt with about maybe 7 or 8
new leftists to make sure that,the regime's agenda is never
challenged ever again.
Everything is all projection,and so it must be that they know
this is a sign of desperation.That's the only way I can think
of this in any way that'sremotely positive. Is that if
they're if they're pulling thisstuff out, if this is their

(01:08:41):
closing message 11 days out

of the

election, that has to be because Donald Trump is
doing very well in the polls ineven in their internal polling
and in the early voting. This isa disgusting turn of events in
our politics. But, again, ifit's happening, it must be
because they know that, she'sgoing to lose. I hope so.

Yeah. I mean, Chris, you you've made the case
on here before that, you know,things, generally, when you're
looking at the polls, arelooking, looking good for Trump.
I think, like, all the swingstate polls, averages are
looking like they're in Trump'sdirection. Now in the national
average polls are looking likeit's in Trump's direction. We've
talked recently about some ofthese betting websites that it

(01:09:24):
looks like it's all going inTrump's direction.
And, yeah, when you just seewhen you see Kamala Harris
coming out with these, like,just baseless accusations, just
throwing anything at the wall,just, like, seemingly in a
panic, it really starts to sendthat message that, that that
campaign is flailing. What whatare your thoughts, your and and
make them your final thoughtsfor the episode because we are

(01:09:46):
already very long here. Goahead.

Yeah. A couple of things. Okay. So one of the key
I'd say the king's key swingstate in this election is gonna
be Pennsylvania, and,Pennsylvania has releases their
early voting by registrationdaily, and it shows that
Republicans are early voting orregistered Republicans, at a

(01:10:09):
much more, higher proportionthan Democrats. So that's a very
good sign.
We also are seeing in some ofthese key senate, races, like
in, Pennsylvania, Michigan,Wisconsin, and some others, that
the Democrat candidate isactually disavowing Biden,
Bidenomics, and Biden's policiesin saying, well, I actually

(01:10:29):
agreed with Trump on these threethings, you know, immigration,
most, you know, mostimportantly. So that shows that
their internal polling issaying, uh-oh. We think if we
want to survive, we're gonnahave to attach ourselves to the
the Trump campaign. I don'tthink that's gonna work, but
that just shows that they'redesperate. So RCP average, which
I do check, you know, everycouple days, Donald Trump is

(01:10:51):
winning RCP average in everysingle, swing state.
All 7 of them, he is winning.Some of the most recent,
national polls show that,actually, Donald Trump has a 2
point national lead among,registered voters. So that's
another huge, you know, bit ofinformation. When you look back
at this point in time, you know,about 2 weeks out from the

(01:11:12):
election, and you say, where wasDonald Trump in 2016? Where was
he in 2020?
2020 at both of the nationallevel, Biden and Clinton had
substantial leads. And in thoseswing states, they also had
substantial leads. So all thepolling that shows that Donald
Trump is actually winning, youknow, like these, RCP average
shows us right here on thescreen, I think that it that's

(01:11:34):
an indicator that this is gonnabe a landslide. I don't wanna
use the l word. I don't wanna,you know, prematurely, you know,
go there.
But, I mean, just based on basedon the fact that, there were
reluctant Trump voters both in2016 and 2020 who voted for him
but didn't tell pollsters theywere gonna do so. And now we're
seeing that they're actuallywilling to tell pollsters, yeah.

(01:11:56):
I'm gonna vote for Trump in allthese important swing states. I
can't I I mean, I can't see ascenario in which Donald Trump
does not win. However, I'm gonnahave to have to, you know, say
that that's all predicated.
It all depends on cheating. And,Donnie and Jim, as you know, we

(01:12:17):
spent the past couple of yearshere at the Harlan Institute
talking about voter fraud, mailin ballots not being counted
properly, and all this kind ofstuff. I know this is, you know,
very bad for me to be sayinghere, but No. No. No.
But it's the truth that alreadybe we have we have to just, you
know, put it here on the table.So, I mean, I think that that is

(01:12:40):
always gonna be in the back ofmy mind. But, you know, if that
does not happen, if the electionis more free and secure and safe
than it was in 2020, I predict agiant landslide for Trump. I
think that the Republican partyis gonna take the senate. Now
interestingly, the house, allthe polls that I'm showing is

(01:13:01):
that the house is likely to goto the Democrats.
So that's one thing that I justcan't understand, but that's
what the polls are showing.That's what the betting markets
are also showing that theDemocrats would win the house.
So, that has never happenedbefore. In the history of our
country, we have never had wherethe the the party that controls
the house and the party thatcontrols the senate, it flips in

(01:13:23):
one election. Never ever everhas happened.
So I kinda take all those with abig grain of salt because I do
think, you know, that the downballot races are gonna depend
mostly on who wins thepresidency. And if it's a Trump
landslide, which I do think it'sgonna, you know, turn out to be,
I don't see how the how thedemocrats would somehow take
control of the house. It's justI I don't I don't understand how

(01:13:44):
that would work that way. So tome, right now, I think, you
know, we're sitting sitting welland, you know, come November
5th, it looks like Donald Trumpis gonna win the presidency, and
Republicans will take back, thesenate and retain the house.
And, if that does happen, Icannot help but wonder if there
will be, protests and violenceand, riots and all sorts of

(01:14:09):
stuff because, like we've beentalking about earlier in this in
this podcast, like we've beentalking about for many of these
podcasts, when you label someoneas a Hitler, as a as a dictator,
as a fascist, it is going toincentivize people to not, you
know, take their their winlegitimately.
So I'm kind of actually mostinterested in seeing how that

(01:14:31):
all plays out. You know, in2020, when Biden did win,
although I don't think heactually did, but he was
declared the winner. I'll put itthat way. It never occurred to
me and, or anyone I know to goout and and and, you know, ride
and protest it. It was like,okay.
He won. Let's just, you know,move forward. But I do not see
that happening on, behalf ofour, you know, leftist friends,

(01:14:54):
and foes here in the UnitedStates. And I go back to the
2016 election when Donald Trumpdid win, and it was very
apparent that he did win,although it was a humongous
upset. And I remember a lot ofmy, you know, Democrat, you
know, friends, just being, youknow, apocalyptic.

(01:15:14):
They they could not they theythey just could not accept it.
So now I'm gonna be veryinterested to see their reaction
to, hopefully, you know, about 2weeks from today. I hope I hope
you know I hope we know by 2weeks from today.

Right. Right. We got one more episode of the show
before election day. So when wewhen we come back on a week from
now, that little bottom thing onthe on the screen there will say
4 days until election, which iskind of crazy to think about.
But but, yeah, plenty of stuff,plenty of time, really.
I mean, have we really had muchof an October surprise? I mean,

(01:15:49):
Kamala Harris's recent CNN townhall appearance was not much of
a surprise at all. We didn'tshow any of those clips, but
holy cow, ladies and gentlemen.If you thought the Bret Baier
interview was bad for Kamala,watch some of these clips from
this recent CNN town hall. It'slike the campaign has to choose
whether or not to hide her in abasement and not campaign or put
her out there and let her make afool of herself, but that's the

(01:16:11):
situation that we're in.
Also, another big thing, DonaldTrump is supposed to be on the
Joe Rogan show, possibly Friday,although they might be recording
it on Friday and releasing itsometime next week. Joe Rogan
show is the biggest show in theworld, so that's obviously a big
a big get for him, both Rogenand Trump, I guess. So we'll see

(01:16:31):
what happens in the next severaldays. It certainly will be
exciting, and, we will becovering the latest here on the
in the thing podcast. Gentlemen,any last words, anecdotes,
anything you wanna get yourchest before we wrap it

up? Yeah. I was going to, record a video to
apply to get our our YouTubechannel re monetized, but now I
guess I can spend the rest of myafternoon doing something else.
Thanks.

Thanks a lot, Chris. You're very welcome.
That's right. Donnie, I do haveI do have one last comment. So,
Marshall Mathers, was in, whatwas in Detroit where he lives,
and, he did endorse KamalaHarris.
And I just wanna say howdisappointed I am because this
this man, Marshall Mathers, whoI respect as an artist, and he's

(01:17:12):
a very good, you know, musician,I I believe, is completely out
of touch with the people hesupposedly represents. He's
supposed to be for the workingman. You know? In in 8 Mile, he
worked at a a factory in, youknow, in Detroit. If you go to
Detroit and ask all thosefactory workers who they're
gonna vote for, I can guaranteeyou they're not gonna say Kamala
Harris.

(01:17:32):
So Marshall Mathers, Eminem,some shady, whatever you go by
these days. I know he's got, youknow, 3 different personalities,
but can you please just get morein touch with yourself? Because

Yeah. Yeah.

Could the real Slim Shady police stand up?

It is so disappointing that he has sold
out and just does what all theother entertainers are doing. He
was once upon a time, heactually, you know, was, you
know, did go against the grain.Apparently, not anymore. Shame
on him. No.

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