Everything Has Changed – In the Tank #473 - In The Tank

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Jim Lakely (00:03):
Alright. We are live. You know, since election
night, doesn't everything justfeel different now? I mean, not
just our politics, but the wholemood of the country. Yes, Some
of our fellow Americans are in avery bad state.
Clips of people filming theirmisery and sharing it with the
world are everywhere. But forthe majority of the country, it

(00:25):
feels like a major societal andcultural shift has occurred. And
there are a lot of people,walking around now with a new
spring in their step. And itsure looks like our media has
also changed. They got a bigwake up call on election day.
Their corruption has been, laidbare for all to see. Our pop
culture feels like it's about tochange as well, moving away from

(00:47):
leftist moralizing and maybegetting back to producing
entertainment with broad appeal.You know, it just feels like the
politicization of everything isover, and we're waking up in a
new era in which leftism is nolonger going to be the dominant
force in American life. We willtalk about all of this and more
on episode 473 of the In theTank podcast.

Crazy Woman (01:47):
It's
alright. It's alright. I feelthat way too. It's alright. We
feel that way together.
Okay? Let it out. Let it out.

Jim Lakely (02:14):
Yes. Let it out, everybody. Election day is over.
We are at election day plus, Iguess, 8 or 10 days at this
point. And it, it is time.
You know, I had that people whowatched the podcast last week
did see that little intro. Welike to put a little a little,
something a little special atthe end of our usual intro
video, and, we had that lastweek. We had it again this week.

(02:39):
And, actually, I promise that'llbe the last time I will play
that because it is not time toscream. It is time to smile and
to talk about how everything haschanged.
I am not your regular host,Donnie Kendall. In fact, Donnie
isn't here. Chris Talgo is nothere. Justin Haskins isn't here.
They're all off doing somethingelse today.
And we almost canceled the show,but we would wanna do that to
our loyal listeners. So wedecided I decided independently

(03:00):
that I was going to host theshow myself and bring on 2 very
special guests and friends. Oneof them is Linnea Luuken. You
know her from the ClimateRealism Show on Fridays. She's
a, research fellow for energypolicy and environment policy
here at the Hartland Institute.
Welcome to In the Tank, Linnea.

Linnea Lueken (03:20):
Thank you very much. I'm always happy to be on
In the Tank, especially, on aweek like this following, what
is probably one of the mosthistoric elections of my
lifetime.

Jim Lakely (03:33):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean and and the the the topic of
this podcast said it's I just itjust feels like it. Like, I I
was talking to, to my wife theother day, and it just and I
said, doesn't the even the airjust feels different? You know?
I just feel like, you know, itjust feels like there's a
there's a big exhale that's beenhappening in the country. And,

(03:54):
also, to talk to us about thiskind of stuff and more is, Chris
Martz. He is a, he works with,CFACT. He is a, he is a pretty
famous guy on x slash Twitter,and, he is a, meteorology
student, a senior now, would besoon graduating with a degree in

(04:14):
meteorology, and he enjoystrolling the climate alarmist
left on Twitter and by poundingthem in the face with facts, and
that's great to see. So, Chris,welcome to the In The Tank
podcast.

Chris Martz (04:26):
Oh, thanks for having me here. It's a pleasure
to be on with the 2 of you.

Jim Lakely (04:30):
Is there anything else anyone everyone should know
about you? I don't wannadisclose where you go to school.
You know? You should be in anundisclosed location for your
own safety, but you know?

Yeah. No. That's, you summed it up pretty well
there, I think. So there's notmuch else to it. Just be a
senior meteorology student and,control the climate alarmist on
Twitter.
It's fun.

Jim Lakely (04:52):
Yeah. Yeah. And and it's not and you don't just deal
with, with climate and and and,you know, climate issues and
energy issues. You know, you'reyou're out there engaging in,
the pop culture today and, youknow, in social media today, I
should say.

Yeah. I try not to, but sometimes I just it's like I
get so aggravated by the stupidstuff I see. So Yeah. I just
gotta comment. I'm surrounded byit on a daily basis.

So No shortage.

Jim Lakely (05:16):
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(06:42):
So, going through, there's somany as you can see on the, on
the the sidebar over here, thatwe have many aspects of how
everything feels different, togo over. And, what we're gonna
do first, I think, is, is I findthe the button here.

(07:02):
We're gonna talk about how themedia has changed. I mean, you
guys are on a a podcaststreaming on YouTube. A lot of
people watching this, not justdon't just watch this program.
They watch a lot of otherprograms. Joe Rogan, got so big
on YouTube that he went over toSpotify, and they started, you
know, doing a video podcast forhim there.

(07:23):
He's the most listened to,podcaster in the world. And, I
think he was just on Spotifyfor, I don't know, was it 6
months or so? And they wouldn'tallow him to put it on YouTube
anymore. And I guess heconvinced them. He was like, no.
You're actually throwing awayaudience by not letting me do it
on YouTube as well. Let me goback on YouTube. And so now you
see clips of him on YouTube orthe entire show on YouTube. And

(07:44):
Joe Rogan's interview with, withDonald Trump was seen across the
two platforms, I would seeeasily more than 100,000,000
times. That's just amazing.
And so so the the legacy mediais failing at the same time the
new media is rising. Chris andLenny, I'll start with you,

(08:06):
Chris. Maybe you can you canshare with the audience kind of
what your media consumptionhabits might be because, this is
one way that in which everythinghas changed, and it really only
became crystal clear that peopledon't consume media the way they
used to during and after thiselection.

Oh, yeah. It's, it's very interesting. I think
this election really, Trump wonthe popular vote by several, you
know, several million votes,and, he lost the popular vote
twice. He won the electoralcollege in 2016, and he, you
know, he lost both the popularand electoral college in 2020.
At this time, he won bothelectoral college and, the

(08:47):
popular vote, and by a large byby a pretty decent margin.
I mean, it's still a closeelection nonetheless, but I
think what's different this timearound is that people are
starting to wake up to the ideathat, you know, legacy media,
the traditional formats of cablenews, the the CNN, MSNBC, CBS,
ABC. They're they're not servingthe public in their best

(09:11):
interest by being reporters, youknow, reporting the facts. They
have a hyperpartisan spin. Sowhile something may be true,
might be true, they have a verypartisan take on, the facts. And
even Fox does that to an extent,obviously, but especially in the
prime time, the evening, theevening shows.

(09:31):
Obviously, that's been thebiggest bias is gonna be, but
people are tuning that out. Theyrealize they've they've they've
realized that the media, doesnothing, but they have an
agenda. They they're they'rethey're being they're being
paid, to sell a partisanpartisan takes on things.
They're gonna become thesecelebrity TV personalities,
involved in political discourse.And people want factual

(09:55):
information.
People wanna hear directly fromthe candidates themselves, and
they wanna hear more than justwhat the the same in the case
like the the presidentialdebates or the vice presidential
debates, people, they've askedthe same questions over and over
again. What are you gonna do forhealth care? What are you gonna
do for the border? What are yougonna do for the economy? What
are you gonna do about climatechange?
It's the same questions. So theydon't get to explore other
issues and they don't get totalk at length about things. And

(10:18):
this is why people, especiallymy age, they love long form
podcasts like Joe Rogan. And,another one I like is Theo
Vaughn, is that they go on andthey talk directly to the the
candidates and the people, andthey ask, you know, what their
takes on things are. And, youknow, I was listening to Theo
Vaughn and he had Donald Trumpon there at one time and had,

(10:38):
like, 13,000,000 views.
And then just a week beforethat, he had Senator Bernie
Sanders. And while I don't agreewith Bernie Sanders on a lot of
things, it was interesting tohear his take, especially on big
pharma, which I was largely inagreement with. So interesting
to hear, Bernie talk about thatbecause, you know, he's been
vilified also by the DemocratParty. They they kind of forced
him out of the primariesobviously in 2016 and 2020. And,

(11:03):
so it was interestingessentially to hear what the
candidates actually orcandidates, whether it's for the
presidential election or senaterace or whatever, hear their
positions on things and hear,and hear it directly from them
and not somebody else's spin onit.
It's not some fragmented clipthat's taken out of context like
CNN does with Trump all thetime. So it was very,

(11:25):
interesting to see. And, peoplelike a lot of people my age
listen to the, you know, MattWalsh show. For example, Matt
Walsh at Daily Wire is one of myfavorite commentators. I like
Jesse Kelly as well.
It was interesting because, Iwas actually on the I was
featured on the Matt Walsh showtwice recently. And, one of my
buddies, he's a meteorologistwho, he was, he just graduated
from where I go to school, thispast year, and he now works full

(11:49):
time job. He was on his way homefrom work, and he was listening
to the show, and he heard myname mentioned, and he'd
immediately text me and said,dude, you gotta check this out.
Matt Walsh mentioned you. So alot of people my age listen to
these podcasts.
They don't nobody my age watchesthe news. I mean, I I watch Greg
Gutfeld every night, you know,if if I'm at home with my
parents. I like that, but Idon't watch I I don't watch the
news. It's just kinda it's justkinda boring to me, and it's

(12:10):
obviously very partisan. It'snot factual.
And so a lot of people I'm notsure Renee, I can speak to this
as well. People listen peoplelike scrolling people like
Twitter, people like, you know,they like long form posts and
short posts, and people likelistening to podcasts. That's
kind of their thing. They don'tlisten to TV and it's and or

(12:30):
read newspapers, and it's a veryit's dying out. Yeah.
Yeah.

Jim Lakely (12:35):
And I think that had

a major influence on the election.

Definitely. And, you know, Jim knows this about
me. I'm the kind of person whowill sit down and watch, like, a
3 hour podcast or will listen toa 3 hour podcast while I'm doing
other stuff or, you know, doingyard work or cooking dinner or
whatever. So, yeah, definitely.I can't remember the last time I
sat down in my own home andturned on a news channel.

(13:03):
Never when I'm living on my own.Maybe like what Chris said, you
know, if I go over to visit myparents or something and they're
watching, Newsmax or OAN orsomething like that, I'll watch
a little bit of that just, like,passively while hanging out with
them. But yeah. No. Why would Iwhy would I watch a news channel
that has commercials every 2minutes that only give you,

(13:27):
like, the briefest glimpse ofany given, you know, interview
when I can go and I can watch,as Chris mentioned, you know,
Joe Rogan sit down with DonaldTrump or Vance.
JD Vance's interview wasfascinating. I mean, what a
great look into, like, the kindof person that he is And and sit

(13:47):
and watch them, like, just shootthe breeze for 3 hours. You get
such a better idea of who thisperson is and what's important
to them, rather than, like, a32nd clip on a news station that
you know is gonna be, you know,edited like crazy even if it's
something like 60 minutes orwhatever. You know that they're
it's not a live stream. Youknow, they record this stuff in

(14:08):
advance, and everyone knows thatthey're deceptive.
And that goes for everybody. Idon't think that the the left
holds the monopoly on deceptiveediting in the news. So yeah.
No. My generation does not watchthe news.
In short, legacy media is indeedcooked.

Jim Lakely (14:26):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look. I'm I'm 54 years old, so
I'm more than twice Chris's age.I'm probably twice your age,
Linnea.
That's alright. And we just haveone of our regular, viewers of
the program who's always in thechat, Christian, Christine
Laurel. She says she's over 60years old, and she doesn't watch
the mainstream media anymoreeither. I mean, I haven't I

(14:47):
can't remember. I mean, Iunplugged my cable box or, you
know, stopped getting cable,around this time, actually, in
2020.
I just about had enough, and Isaid, you know what? I don't I
don't need this. I won't. And itwas amazing. You don't miss it.
Once you unplug from cable, Idon't think you you people are
not going back. It's the ideathat you get this audience back
is just false because you onceyou once you once you pull

(15:09):
yourself out basically, once youwake up, and they unplug you
from the matrix, you don't wannago back in.

If they didn't have the airports, I would love
to see what their numbers lookedlike. You know?

The Yes. CNN's always on at the airport.

Yeah. CNN is the the airport channel. I you know,
when you when you talk about,like, social media and stuff,
yeah, it's pretty toxic ingeneral. But think about the
people that you know who areespecially on the left, who just
sit there watching MSNBC allday. What's their worldview

(15:43):
like?
I mean

Toxic.

It's totally warped. They you know? And and
people on on these televisionchannels are always going on and
on about how the, you know,social media allows people to be
misinformed. Well, I've neverbeen more misinformed than when
I watch mainstream news. I mean,I sit down and watch even just
Fox News and the stuff that theysay is just nonsense half the

(16:06):
time.
I don't know where they'regetting their their, information
from. Nowadays, though, it seemslike some of them are getting
their information from Twitter,which is your ex, which is
pretty funny. Yeah. No. It'scrazy.
I mean, we have viewers in theUK and stuff, and their TV
license thing is a whole otherstory. So they've got

BBC, they have to pay a licensing fee, and most of
them don't even watch it.

Jim Lakely (16:32):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, we have people here in
the comments mentioning CNN. Solet me get to a couple of
stories in the show notes thatare that are pretty interesting.
So as I'm trying to host and,I'm trying to host and produce
at the same time.

While you while you look for that, I can say, do
you guys remember, back in Ithink it was 2016, but it might
have been 2020. These years havebeen weird. We've been stuck in
some kinda, like, weird timeloop for the last couple years.
So who knows? With with it onMSNBC, maybe Morning Joe.
I could be wrong. When one ofthe female anchors said, like,
we don't want people factchecking things on their own or

(17:08):
looking up information on theirown. That's our job to tell them
what to think.

Jim Lakely (17:11):
That's right. Yeah. That was me. I saw that. I

yep. Yep. It was her. Yep.

Jim Lakely (17:16):
Yeah. It's so yeah. So the so it couldn't, you know,
the destruction of an industrydidn't happen to a more
deserving industry than themainstream media. And look.
Look.
I was a reporter. I was, youknow, I was a journalist. I was
a reporter for, newspapers. Youknow? For the younger people, a
newspaper, is something that'susually put into a plastic bag
and thrown onto your driveway orat least was way back in the

(17:38):
day.
They're pretty much extinct now.Is

it that thing that they they give me in my
town

that I saw you paperboard.

My fire in my fireplace?

Is that

Jim Lakely (17:47):
what that Yeah. They helped start fires, lined bird
cages, you know, wrap fish in,and all that good good stuff.
But, but yeah. So I I was I Iwas a journalist for most of my
adult life. That was what Itrained to be in college.
It was the only thing I was goodat, actually. So it doesn't pay
a lot, but it's veryinteresting, a lot of fun. And,
I haven't gotten a newspapersince, 2006, I think. I stopped

(18:09):
getting the Los Angeles Timeswhen I lived out in Southern
California. Haven't had anyinterest in the newspaper since,
and I was in the business.
And we have one of ourcommenters here saying, he used
to be a TV newsman, and hedoesn't watch the TV news
anymore. And it's because, mediahas gotten out of the business
for a long time of informing thepublic. Their job now, whether
it's print, online, orbroadcast, or radio, or

(18:30):
anything, their job now is to bea propagandist for, leftist
ideology and, specifically,specifically, the Democrat
Party. And the American peoplehave woken up to that fact, and
they are leaving in droves, andthey are choosing their own and
seeking out their own media,including podcasts like this,
like Chris said, like Theo Von,like Joe Rogan. They'll watch

(18:51):
the Daily Wire's production orthe Matt Walsh show or, you
know, Michael Knowles.
They'll watch Glenn Beck. Imean, there's also there's
infinite number of of ofoptions. And if they're only
successful because they'regiving people an alternative to
the, basically, the propagandathey're getting everywhere else.
Megyn Kelly, actually, I've beenfinding myself watching her show
a lot more Same. Recently, andit's just, I saw somebody on x

(19:16):
call her, like, a washed upfailed TV news host.
It's like, see, again, you guysare to get it. She is her own
show now, and she's making youknow, I don't know if she's
making what she made as a, what,$20,000,000 a year host for NBC
and Fox News. But, you know, itis the people that are stuck in
the legacy media that are stillin the matrix that cannot they

(19:38):
can't even really understandwhat's happening. And I wanna
bring up an example of CNN here.And we'll talk about this.
CNN is is a garbage network.Oops. I hit the wrong button.
There you go. CNN is a is agarbage network, and now we
will, have some schwodenfraticfun on their demise.
It says here from the, DailyMail, CNN is planning to wield

(19:58):
the ax on some of its high paidstaff after dismal election
ratings that cap off adisastrous period for the cable
network. According to anexclusive new report from Puck,
network executives will unleashsweeping layoffs in a bid to
save the network's flailingreputation. This comes after the
departure of a stalwart ChrisWallace and amid reports stars

(20:19):
senior stars like Wolf Blitzerand Jake Tapper have both been
denied raises. Oh my goodness.Can you believe it?
At the time, CNN had averaged13,300,000 viewers in prime
time. Today

prayers go out to them.

Jim Lakely (20:33):
Oh, I know. Right? Today, it's only around, 800,000
viewers in prime time. However,following the Trump presidency
and a term from the Bidenadministration, it lost on
election night to MSNBC in termsof ratings, nothing that that
ever ever been seen before, asit drew in only 5,100,000,
television sets with eyes onthem on election night. And

(20:56):
MSNBC had 6,000,000, and FoxNews had 10,300,000.
But those numbers, actually,guys, are way below what they
were in 2020, not to mention howthey were in the nineties and
the, early 2000 when it wouldbe, you know, all the whole
country would be watching theirtelevisions for, election

(21:18):
returns, and they don't, theydon't do that anymore. They they
watch they they they scan x.They watch podcasts. I watched,
should've watched Megan Kelly'scoverage of the election night
because I I just forgot. And itsaid, I watched the Blaze, which
was also awesome.
But CNN has high paid stars likeAnderson Cooper, who makes
$20,000,000 a year, on that onCNN, for, a show that nobody

(21:41):
watches. So, and then we heardnews this week that, MSNBC is,
apparently on the on thechopping block or it's it's
gonna they wanna sell it, and, Iheard a rumor that Elon Musk
might buy it.

That would be hilarious if he actually did.

Jim Lakely (22:01):
Yeah. So so he's he's watching these these legacy
media outlets, you know, spiralinto the drain, I think is is
fun. And as as we say here inthe in the little sidebar there,
the the legacy media is cooked.They don't they don't know it
yet. They should know it now.
I mean, it's been it's been 10days since since the election.

(22:21):
They've seen the ratings. Fewerpeople are watching any of these
shows. In fact, MSNBC, I amconvinced, only won one election
night, for the cable newsnetworks, or or beat CNN because
millions of conservativesswitched over to MSNBC to watch
the liberal tears flow and watchthem lose their minds with the
winning.

I saw that MSNBC that. I saw that MSNBC lost,
like, half their prime timeaudience after election night.

Jim Lakely (22:50):
Yeah. It's gone. It's yeah. They they they
watched the election night. 4%.

Yeah. Of their viewership gone.

Jim Lakely (22:56):
Yeah. It's it's crazy. It's crazy.

I we tuned in actually, and I was so sad
because, Richard Matt RachelMaddow, my bad. She was not
melting down like I was hoping.I was hoping to see tears, and I
just was they were being verycalm and collected. And I gotta
say I was disappointed because Iwe tuned in for entertainment,
and I did not get that.

Jim Lakely (23:20):
Oh, it was pretty entertaining. I was entertained
by it. Yeah. Let's I'm gonnabring up on screen here, yeah,
that that story about this isfrom OutKick. Again, an
alternative media outlet that issucceeding Clay Travis.
About additional yeah. ClayTravis, a an alternative media
outlet that is succeeding whilethe while the legacy media
fails. And, Yeah. MSNBC's andCNN's ratings tank after Trump's

(23:43):
steam Trump steamrolls KamalaHarris. Mediaite obtained
viewership from Thursday tohighlight the concerns both
channels face.
For the day, MSNBC averaged596,000 viewers, while CNN
recorded just 419,000 viewers, adecline of 23% for MSNBC and 40%

(24:04):
for CNN over the year. And thenyear over year, MSNBC's, ratings
are down 54%, and CNN's aredown, 30%. Guys, that that
596,000 viewers, I know that,you know, we're gonna talk a
little bit about how the howmaybe woke Hollywood the era of

(24:25):
woke Hollywood is also over.But, 596,000 viewers? I mean I

can get that on a tweet.

Jim Lakely (24:32):
You get out you can get that on a tweet. Right. Joe
Rogan Joe Rogan was getting a1000000 viewers, like, every 30
minutes when he posted that,that interview with Donald
Trump. A a channel I reallyenjoy, the critical drinker,
he'll drop a a a an 8 minutevideo reviewing a movie or
talking about pop culture, andit'll get it'll grab a 1000000
views within 2 hours. A million.

(24:54):
So it'll double all that stuff.So Why

do you think groups like, you know, CNN and
MSNBC and and whatnot work withmedia matters to shut down
conservative channels on YouTubeand stuff? I mean, and they work
to shut down some leftistchannels too if they're getting
too popular. They're trying to,like, in the background, crush
alternative media. It's nevergonna work. You know?

(25:16):
It's it's way too late for that.But it is it is funny to watch.
And, like you said, these theseorganizations are dropping off.
You know? Couldn't happen tobetter people.
Couldn't happen to more talentedhosts.

Yeah. Actually, get them to get well soon card from
Hallmark.

Jim Lakely (25:36):
Well, I mean, you look at, you know, sign

it like this.

Jim Lakely (25:40):
Yeah. Yeah. Well well, Chris Chris

Wallace Rudy.

Jim Lakely (25:45):
Chris Wallace said that, he wants to now that he's
he was fired. Come on. They theyoffered him probably 1 5th of
his previous salary when he camein thinking, I think, making,
like, 6,000,000 or 7,000,000 ayear, maybe 10,000,000 a year.
They're like, you got noratings. You no.
You have no audience. We'll giveyou 3,000,000 if you wanna have
a new contract. So they pushedhim out. He says he wants to get

(26:06):
into maybe some podcasting onhis own. I think that's actually
gonna be one of the funnierthings.
It's having yeah. Wide eyed.It's having this happen. You
know? The idea that ChrisWallace can actually attract an
audience on his own He

talks like that.

Yeah. I yeah. I that that will be the the
interesting thing to see when alot of these hosts try to make
their own way. And because whatI was observing is I was looking
at the pictures of those guys onthat CNN article. The the
quality of of intelligence andin presentation, from these,

(26:44):
like, random podcasters is somuch better than prime time
television anchors right now.
It's unbelievable how how muchthese, frankly, talentless hacks
get paid, when they have noviewership also.

Jim Lakely (27:03):
Well, that's gonna end. I mean, it can it it can't
it's not sustainable.Eventually, you know, as as,
Margaret Thatcher famously saidin the eighties, the problem
with socialism is thateventually you run out of other
people's money. And, the problemwith woke leftist media is that,
eventually, you run out ofviewers and you run out of,

(27:24):
advertising money, and you can'tpay these people anymore, these
these salaries. And, yeah,that's what's actually I think
is really gonna be fascinatingis, alright.
We'll see how talented thesepeople really are, see if they
can build an audience on theirown. You know you know who can
do that? Well, Gutfeld probablycould for sure, although he's
gonna stick at Fox, but MegynKelly has proven she can do
that. Joe Rogan created ancreated an audience out of

(27:47):
nothing. Theo Vonn, created anaudience out of nothing and
because of the talent and theand and they're interesting.
You know? But that that's what Ifind so fascinating about

Dan Bongino.

Jim Lakely (27:58):
Yeah. Dan Bongino can build his own audience. You
know? Dave Rubin can build hisown audience. Obviously, Matt
Walsh and and guys at daily atDaily Wire can build their own
audience.
In fact, they build their ownnetwork, and build an audience
for that as well as eachindividual star. And so we're
gonna find out what these guysand gals are made of. We're
gonna find that they're not madeof anything. They're made of
propaganda, and nobody's gonnawanna wanna wanna voluntarily

(28:20):
consume that.

I think Joy Reid's gonna get the get the, was it
the pink slip soon from MSNBC?She is coming unhinged. Our
TikTok.

Jim Lakely (28:32):
She is coming unhinged. So before we get into
out of the media criticism hereand get into maybe some
Hollywood and talk in other waysthat everything has feels
different now, it's a storyfrom, Sema 4, which, again, is
another kinda new start up,alternative media, site that's
supposed to try to be sent oh,here we go. Supposed to, be
centrist. But this is a story,about I'll just leave it on the

(28:56):
top because I have I have it inmy notes here. Basically, how
old media old media is grapplingwith its new limits.
And part of the story here, itsays, to some media executives,
it's a sign that the quality ofnews offered to Americans is not
satisfying them, a view thatAxios founder, Jim Vande Hei,
described as, quote, gut checktime for traditional media.

(29:18):
Quote, the verdict is notdebatable. Half the country
thinks traditional media isbiased and often useless. They
feel reporters treat Republicanslike a crime beat and Democrats
like friends in need. I don'tthink this is usually the case,
but it happens enough to givecritics pause.
And so even the people insidethe, you know, inside the media

(29:40):
bubble are seeing that, youknow, they see the writing on
the wall. I mean, I I, actually,I know I I knew Jim BandeHei
back when I covered, George wBush's reelection campaign in
2004 and the 1st year of hispresident in his 2nd term in
2005. I'd be on the press planeswith people. And so I knew Jim
Bandehi and, his friend, MikeAllen. They left to create

(30:02):
something called Politico.
And Politico was somethingabsolutely brand new. I know
this was you guys were so tiny.You might have been alive for
all I know. But back in 2 backin 2005, it was considered if
you had an online publication,if you were just online, that
was considered, you know, cheap,and just not reputable, and you

(30:23):
can't succeed. You know?
If you were just a dotcom, youstunk. But Politico was really,
I think, the first, you know,real journalism project that
covered politics that was onlineonly, and it succeeded. So
that's so he was a Jim BandeHeiwas a kind of a revolutionary in
that regard long ago. I mean,gosh, it's 20 years ago now. And
here he is today showing thatfor all that work and all that

(30:46):
time, people don't trust themedia anymore, and people are
leaving and it's falling apart.
And it seems that very fewpeople that are in the business
recognize that it's happeningand, importantly, why it's
happening.

It's actually interesting because you I wanted
to point out that, we're talkingabout earlier that you're
talking about people that and,like, one of the guys in the
YouTube comments who used to beon TV who left. I know a lot of
meteorologists who have workedin as broadcast, you know,
weather presenters ormeteorologists on air on TV who
are who have left, the newsindustry in the last couple of
years and have pursued jobs inthe private sector or with, you

(31:23):
know, the government. One guythat I know quit TV in Houston
and he's now at, he's nowworking for the state government
in Texas as a meteorologist. Anda lot of them just cannot take.
And I I know some of them arestill on air that have realized
how partisan the news has becomeand how irrelevant it has
become.
And they're looking for theirway out, why they why they can.

(31:45):
So they don't get stuck in thesecontracts and that they can look
for better, more prosperous,paying careers. Yeah. Lynae,
anything to,

Jim Lakely (31:57):
to go to maybe wrap a bow on this media is dying,
it's cooked Kinda

feel I think we I think we pretty well stomp them
for for a good bit here. I thinkwe can move on.

Jim Lakely (32:07):
We will move on. Yeah. And so, again, the the
theme today is that, you know,it just seems that everything
just feels different. You know,there was a lot of relief. You
know, I'd my, friends would askme, gosh.
You must be so happy that thatTrump won. And I was like, I'm
not feeling happy yet. I justfeel relieved. I just feel I

(32:29):
just feel like we avoidedsomething something very, very
terrible. And the and the ideathat Donald Trump got the, you
know, he's gonna win the popularvote by perhaps a bit of a
narrow margin, but a narrowmargin being a few million
people out of a a country of 330and, you know, what, a 100 and
probably is gonna be a150,000,000 votes.
So, you know, but that thatstill matters. A republican

(32:51):
let's just say it this way. Anondemocrat has not won the
majority of votes for presidentsince

2004.

Jim Lakely (32:57):
2004. And, before that, the last time it happened
was, 1988. So it's it's onlybeen twice in the last 30 years
or so that Republicans have wonthe majority. And so this is a
resounding rejection. You know,I believe this is why I wanna
get into kind of a culturalexamination because I'm
convinced that on Tuesday, 2Tuesdays ago, the American

(33:20):
people just said, enough.
Enough. I am tired of it. I'mtired of the leftist agenda
being in everything in my life.It's everywhere. It there's
there's a stink.
It it it hangs on the drapes.It's in our sports. You know,
you have to look at the back ofa of a football helmet that
says, you know, leftist messageson it, you know, supposedly to

(33:41):
stop racism. You know? And and II just I, you know, I'm just
projecting, I suppose.
But I was fed up with havingevery single bit of our life
infused with leftist politics,from Hollywood to public
schools, to newspapers, tobillboards, to sports. You know,
the idea that if you are notcelebrating the latest leftist,

(34:04):
you know, cause du jour, thatyou are an enemy, you know, you
need to be an ally of everysingle thing a leftist wants the
world to look like. And I thinkyou guys can tell me if I'm if
I'm overreading this. But to me,I thought in in all of those
aspects of life and including inHollywood, America just said,
enough. I don't want it anymore.

(34:25):
I'm rejecting all of it. I wantyou out of everything. And
that's why I think I feel likeeverything feels different. Am I
wrong?

No. You said you it got the guy right.

Trump is the Trump is the burn it all down
candidate, in my opinion. Atleast that's what he is to me.
So yeah. No. Definitely.
Everyone everyone is pretty wellfed up. And, you know, not to
mention I mean, Kamala is justnot appealing, for different
reasons than Hillary Clinton wasnot appealing. But, yeah, we're

(34:58):
just maybe Democrats could get acandidate that people like. That
that would be interesting tosee. You know, people kinda like
Are

you saying that Cardi B and Beyonce, it didn't
spoil your opinion?

No. No. Somehow. I don't know how.

Not Stephen King either. Stephen King, he's just
he's a mastermind.

Oh, well, and, you know, he's he's very stable,
very sane, and also definitelyisn't haunted by his passive
getting hit by a van. But he'sno. That's been every new every
new celebrity, endorsement,especially when they were known
paid endorsements, it's justyeah. That's that's utterly

(35:41):
unconvincing. And in fact, itactually makes me like a
candidate even less when they'redoing that stuff.

Another thing I wanted to touch on, I wanted to
add is that, and I just thoughtof it, is that, you know, you
know, like Trump or not, he cameacross as very relatable to
people. You know, he did theMcDonald's publicity stunt, and
he did a lot of, differentthings here and there. He went
to he went to football, he wentto different pod and it actually
if you watch the Theo Vonnpodcast, the one that he did a
few weeks ago for the election,he that podcast was very

(36:09):
wholesome. It was a wholedifferent side of him. It was
kind of sort of like that speechhe gave at the RNC after he got
shot.
He was reflecting on that. Itwas very personal. He was
talking about his father and hisbrother, and the entire podcast.
It was just more personal abouthim and his life, and it was an

(36:31):
interesting side to see. He cameacross as more relatable.
Meanwhile, you have, vicepresident Harris who campaigned,
and she had all these celebrityendorsements from Cardi b, and
you had Jon Bon Jovi up there. Iguess he gave Harris a bad name
and said I love a bad name, buthe was he was up there just it
it had all these celebrities'endorsements and, you know, this

(36:54):
the the Democrat party hasbecome the party of MSNBC and
the party of Hollywood. And Isee all these people on Twitter
are calling everybody stupid.I'll repel like, 75,000,000
Americans say, oh, you'restupid. They're uneducated.
But last time I checked, these75,000,000 people know the
difference between a man and awoman. So, I wouldn't really I
wouldn't really go down thatroute for those people if I were

(37:17):
them because it it kind of looksembarrassing. If you go in a
corner and pout with her tailtucked between her legs. But,
you know, Paris, she she posteda a picture with her and I think
her step nieces or nieces orsome some family you know, some
some young kids in her family.And she came across in that
picture, you know, despite thethe glass of wine or champagne

(37:38):
or whatever she was drinking, itwas very relatable.
And I think had she done thatmore, during the campaign
instead of, oh, I got, I got,Mark Hamill to endorse me or I
got Tom Hanks to endorse me.Like, who cares? Relate to the
American people because theydon't have these celebrity
connections. And she was therewith the whole party has become

(38:00):
completely out of touch witheveryday Americans. So keep
calling them stupid, keepcalling them uneducated.
But again, they used to knowbasic biology and, you know,
they are the working classpeople of this country. They are
your farmers. They are ourpolicemen. They are our
firefighters. They are ourskilled workers, our mill
workers.
They are our landscapers. Theykeep this they are mechanics.

(38:22):
They turn wrenches. They keepthis country going. These people
that are these these whitecredential people that, think
that they're so smart, if if ifstuff suddenly hit the fan and
we were back in the stone age,they would their jobs would
become completely irrelevantbecause they they don't know how
to tie their shoe.
And they have no I'm inacademia, so I'm surrounded by

(38:43):
people that are brilliant, youknow, smart people when it comes
to academics and stem. But whenit comes to common sense and
real world applications and realworld skills, they're sorely
lacking.

Jim Lakely (38:55):
Yeah.

So if you call it 1 educated and you're gonna be
well onto losing in 2028. That'smy message to the left.

But, Chris, she came from a middle class family.
Therefore therefore, everythingshe does is in that context, you
know, unburdened.

In a middle class family.

Jim Lakely (39:17):
Yep. Well, I wanted to hit a rim shot for your, for
your Bon Jovi joke, Chris, but Icouldn't find it within 2 within
2 minutes of you making thejoke. It took forever. So but
very good. Yeah.
I just just well, actually, Iwanna share one more thing that
I that I came across this weekwhile while thinking about
what's going on here, in theworld, and that is this tweet

(39:39):
from, from John Bern Murdoch.And he says, just to clarify,
this isn't just the first timeactually, it's a chart here,
that shows from, FinancialTimes. Every governing party
facing election in a developedcountry this year lost vote
share. The first time that'sever happened, ever, and since

(40:00):
since I started tracking this inthe beginning of 20th century.
And you can see on this chartright here, oop, that, yeah,
this is this is real that everyelection in the developing world
is kicking out the ruling class,their so called ruling class,
and and rejecting them.
And and, that that's where Ithink everything feels different

(40:21):
because it's not just in theUnited States. It's everywhere.
We have one of our commentersright here on this, on this chat
say that, your MAGA's coming toEurope. The the Heartland
Institute, we had Nigel Farageas our guest at our benefit
dinner in September, and then wegot to spend, a good bit of the

(40:42):
afternoon morning and afternoonwith him the next day on
Saturday. And we did aninterview with him in a cigar
lounge, which actually you canfind at go to heartland.org.
You'll see the video right thereon our front page. But so I got
to actually, I had the honor ofdriving Nigel Farage around. And
if you don't know who NigelFarage is, he's basically the,
well, some people call him theDonald Trump of of Great

(41:02):
Britain, but he is a, long timeprincipal conservative who who
stands up for real conservatismin the UK instead of what's
increasingly, you know, kind ofsquishy conservatism among the
boys. And so I like squishy.Just kidding.
Yeah. And so and, anyway, so Iwhen I was driving around, I
asked him, I said, you know,when Brexit happened, it came

(41:23):
from out of nowhere like alightning bolt. People thought
all the polls show that it wasgonna fail, that, UK would not
vote to get out of the EU. Allthe polls were wrong. The
British people said, Brexit,yes.
And then after that, it was in2016. Few months after that,
Donald Trump was electedpresident. A few weeks before,

(41:44):
our president or a couple monthsbefore our our election here in
the United States, again, theUnited the United Kingdom had an
election, and Nigel NigelFarage's conservative upstart
party went gangbusters, didgreat, had a fantastic election
day. And I asked him, I said, doyou think the same thing's gonna
happen in the United States? Andhe says, I do.
And I really hope it does,because if it doesn't, we're all

(42:05):
in big trouble. So I think thereis really, a sense again that
everything feels different, notjust United States, but overseas
because the ruling I think thethe ruling class is in trouble.
And the American people, insteadof taking up arms and setting
things on fire, having anendless summer of love in our
streets in United States, wherewe light fires to, to celebrate

(42:27):
our love. Because

So, yeah,

Jim Lakely (42:29):
they they go into the ballot box, and they're
doing it and they're doing itthe old fashioned way and the
and the peaceful way, and Ithink it's fantastic.

Sorry. My dog is kinda barking, so I'm trying to
nod the dog. I think shestopped. Yeah. No.
And and I'm looking forward toseeing it. It's not just, the
UK. You know, we've got friendsthat are trying to or that are
gaining popularity for a kindof, like, populist or at least
center right conservative kindof movements in Poland and

(43:00):
Austria and Hungary and allsorts of places. I think even I
could be totally off base onthis, but I think that I heard
that there's even a little bitof a of a movement happening in
places like the Netherlands and,Sweden and Norway getting rid of
some of their more extremeleftist and government. I could

(43:21):
be off on that.
Yeah. South America is a bigone. Yeah. So it's it's going
it's going very interesting foreverybody. We'll we'll see we'll
see how it is.

The I think I also wanted to go ahead, Finneal.

No. You go ahead. I I didn't really have all that
much.

So I think I wanna point out that, you know, we're
gonna and as as I figure as wetransition into the last part is
that, you know, the feelinglast. I think, that it's
important to note that it's notjust the presidency that
matters. And people in thiselection, they really turned up
for Trump. And I think thatScott Pressler died, did a
really good job in registeringpeople, helping flip,

(44:02):
Pennsylvania red. And I thinkhe's gonna now he's going to be
ready to do Jersey to probablydo the same thing for the
midterm.
So we'll see how that that worksout. And maybe Virginia for
2028. So we'll see my homestate. But one thing I wanna
point out is that it's not justthe press release that matters,
we need to have this sort ofvoter enthusiasm and, you know,
conservatives need to in theSenate and the House race and

(44:25):
also their local government,your sheriff, your district
attorneys, your local judges,your, your state
representatives, your your statelegislatures in general, your
city council, town council,county board of supervisors. All
of those things matter andprobably more so, than the
presidency, leaving the chiefexecutive.
You know, people are complainingabout the, the the house or not

(44:48):
the house, the senate majorityleader and, the people the
voters themselves are sort of toblame for this. The GOP primary
very vulnerable vote for justwhoever they see on maybe Fox
News, or they'll vote for namefamiliarity rather than voting
for look, doing the research tofigure out who the best
candidate it probably is.

Jim Lakely (45:07):
Yeah. Hey, Chris. Chris, your your audio keep
coming in and out. I waswondering if it was me or if it
was somebody else. I don't know.
You you kept telling me that Ithink you're doing wireless, and
I think the connection is isbreaking there. So we'll have to
see. Okay.

I don't know. It's like our audio is here.

Jim Lakely (45:24):
Yeah. It's it's not coming in it's not coming in
very strong, so we'll see if wecan figure it out how to fix
that, as we go along. Alright.Maybe you can come back. Maybe
you can, no.
You might not do that. Leave andcome back. I don't know. We'll
figure it out. Thanks, audience,for noticing.
Sometimes my, sometimes I thinkit's me. You know? Maybe my
computer's wrong, but it wasn't.It was it was Chris. There's

(45:45):
something something, going onthere.
It's breaking up. So, anyway,we'll get that fixed. Not a
problem. Let's see. Yeah.
So I wanna get into a little bitof the Hollywood stuff, and I
think because, I know let melet's try let's test you. Go
ahead.

Can you hear me?

Jim Lakely (46:02):
We could a little bit. Talk say something. Longer
as I can hear me.

Better now than I'm

Jim Lakely (46:09):
No. It's the same. It's actually bad. Oh, come on.
Go ahead.

Let me come back. Yeah. I'll come back. Yeah.

Jim Lakely (46:14):
It's crackling. Yeah. Leave him come back.

Okay. Sorry about that, everybody.

Jim Lakely (46:17):
Sorry about that, folks. That's fine. We'll we'll
get him back in a minute. Sothat that gives me a chance to
bring up this story. You know,Linnea and I, as colleagues and
and, and friends, we talk a lotabout kind of the things we like
to watch, you know, the popculture that we consume.
And, you know, and we've noticedas and we and we actually watch
some of the same pop culturechannels, like NerdRoddick, Gary
Beakler's channel. Friday nighttights is a fantastic livestream

(46:41):
that I try to catch. Idefinitely catch it over the
weekend, not live if I don'tcatch it live on a Friday
afternoon. You know, thecritical drinker is another one.
Geeks and gamers.
There's lots of there's lots ofthese these, you know, so called
YouTube stars who have becomeYouTube stars because they have
been pushing back against thewokeness of Hollywood. And it

(47:01):
seems let's see if you can getChris back in here. It seems
that, Hollywood people inHollywood themselves are now
realizing that they have gonetoo far with the woke stuff.
And, it's time to start maybeentertaining audiences again,
make that your primary job andnot indoctrinating them. So
there's a story here calledHollywood Braces for a Woke

(47:22):
Backlash in the Wake of Trump'selection.
I will just I actually, I pulledan excerpt here that I'll read,
and then maybe we'll see ifChris's audio is good. It says
Hollywood, overwhelminglyliberal, is weighing the
potential backlash to itsbusiness of a second Donald
Trump presidency and a rightleaning electorate. A right
leaning electorate, by the way,that was always there, but it

(47:43):
just, expressed itself morestrongly on Tuesday than ever
before. Reading getting back toit. After many years of
embracing left wing values,diversity and inclusion in
Marvel and Star Wars storylines,empowering women in superhero
movies and animated kids fair,Hollywood may find itself
tipping rightward as the windsof change blow through the
country.

(48:04):
It's a shift away from wokenessthat was already underway. I
don't think so. I don't thinkthere was a shift away from
wokeness already underway, butwhatever. The story goes that
some in the industry are clearlyconcerned. Quote, we know that
Hollywood loves to follow, notlead, Evan Shapiro, a film and
television producer, toldTheWrap.
It's very likely you'll see moreof Jake Paul, more of Joe Rogan,

(48:26):
more of Zachary Levi, and moreof Roseanne Barr. More of the
right leaning, conservativeleaning creator economy will get
more airtime, because, clearly,that s works. And then finally
here on Friday, a producer andformer talent manager, Cassian
Elways, noted on x that theexperience of putting together a
new movie, quote, has beenpainful because of the current

(48:47):
environment in Hollywood wherefear is rampant. But I'm a
filmmaker. I need to lead byexample.
The audience is out there. Wejust need to figure out a way to
reach them. I'm hoping there aredistribute distribution
innovators dreaming of newpaths. The the theme of this of
this story, guys, seems to bethat, you know, we there there

(49:08):
there's suddenly a new audienceout there. They've suddenly all
turned to the right, and, now weneed to to relate to them.
And the and the whole idea that,you know, a liberal has to worry
about his job in Hollywood seemsa little crazy to me.

That is kinda crazy.

Yeah. Well, we we touched on it a little bit with
the, you know, all thesecelebrities coming out to
endorse, Kamala Harris. And andthey have to know that, you
know, at least half of thecountry. I mean, maybe they
really don't because they're intheir little bubbles. But they
have to know that about half thecountry disagrees with them and
and is gonna be left with kindof a bad taste in their mouth

(49:48):
after all this stuff.
But it just occurred to me too.You know, she had the entire
cast of the Avengers, I guess,come and do, like, a video for
her. Normally, that's not a goodsign when the entire cast of the
avengers shows up to to help youout and to congratulate you for
being a good person or whatever.That's that's like make a wish

(50:10):
level stuff, and we did see thathappen to our campaign, after,
after election day last week.But, now it's I I think I think,
you know, you mentioned,critical drinker earlier.
But then the other day, I thinkhe posted a video talking about
how, where he mentioned that,like, stardom isn't what it used
to be and how people just don'thave this, like, celebrity

(50:34):
worship that they used to have.I mean, maybe with, like, Taylor
Swift or something, but eventhat obviously didn't have an
impact on this election. And ifit did, you know, it wasn't
enough to push them over theedge. I think because all of
these celebrities are on, like,social media and we hear from
them and their politicalopinions and stuff way more than

(50:56):
anyone and at any time ever. Youknow, you had, like, Jane Fonda
or whatever back in the,sixties, seventies, eighties
doing political stuff then.
But that was kind of, like,outside of the norm, I think.
But now it's like they all havean opinion, and it turns out
that they all have vacuousstupid opinions. So it's, it's

(51:21):
it's not endearing to them. Andso between that and between the
fact that, like, most of whatHollywood puts out is utter
trash, and probably is onlygoing to get worse with AI
moving in. It's it's it'slooking bad for them, and once
again, couldn't happen to betterpeople.

Jim Lakely (51:44):
Oh, You're you're muted, Chris, but you're

I know. I was just agreeing. I was just agreeing.

Jim Lakely (51:49):
You're messing with me.

That's what I do to people. If you actually know me
in person, I live to mess withpeople. I'm like a big
prankster. But, anyway, I'm notreally focused.

Jim Lakely (52:00):
No. It it just seems to me that that, you know, that
Hollywood is going to have toreact. I mean, finally snapped
out of their, you know, out oftheir mind control stupor. I
don't know. I don't even knowhow to describe it.
But, you know, Hollywood iswhat?

A trance.

Jim Lakely (52:17):
A trance. Yeah. And and Hollywood seem to think
that, you know, if we just youknow, you we'll race and gender
swap every we'll redoeverything, and we'll just make
the hero. Instead of a man,we'll make it a woman. Instead
of we'll make sure that a personof color is now the hero instead
of, you know, the sidekick andall, you know and they did it.
And they do it over and over andover again, and they and they

(52:37):
inject, woke leftist agenda intoall of the products. And I think
they really believed for a longtime, and they're snapping out
of it. But they believe that itdoesn't you know, we have the
power to control the minds ofAmerican of of the world,
actually. And if we can put themessaging into the
entertainment, they will bereeducated, and the we will make

(53:00):
the world a better place becausewe will change the way people
think. And what they actuallyfound out is that people don't
want that.
The audience doesn't want that.They want to be entertained.
They don't wanna be talked downto. And maybe Hollywood is is
starting to realize now thatthat's what the that's the the
actual business they're involvedin because just like the media,
eventually, you start runningout of other people's money. In

(53:21):
this in this regard, investorswho are losing 1,000,000,000
with these studios.
I mean, what do you think,Chris? I mean, am I am I over am
I watching too much criticaldrinker and nerd Roddick that I
I have now been brainwashed tothink that I'm trying to that
they're trying to brainwash mein Hollywood, or do you see it
too?

No. I see it too. You know, I I most of the movies
I watch are, like, more than,like, 30 years old. I mean, I
watch Smokey and the Banditwith, you know, Burt Reynolds
and all of them, you know. And Iwatch, you know, I watch all the
classic movies, you know, someof those old, I have, was it
Phil Murphy?
Definitely

Jim Lakely (53:57):
a little cop,

you know it's movies like that. I watch all
them old old classic, movies andstuff because they're more
entertaining, they're more fun,they're not always you know
politically correct and theywould they didn't have, like, a
lecturing underlying politicalmessage that they're trying to,
you know, get you to sway yourvote some way. Like, a lot of
these new movies are. I barelygo to the movie theater anymore

(54:19):
to watch movies. There's goodmovies that are made.
I mean, the Elvis movie thatcame out recently, you know,
2022 or 23 was really, reallywell done. You know, Top Gun
Maverick was really well done.But most of the other movies
that seem to be coming out arejust they have this a political
message to them that's iscondescending to everyday
Americans and lecturing us withsome cultural cultural message,

(54:43):
and these and and you can see itin TV shows. You see it with,
you know, my grandma, forexample. She's obsessed with law
and order special victims unit,And there's a lot of, you know,
underlying messaging and thatshow that didn't used to be
there when the show first cameon in 1999.
And it's beginning it makes thatshow kind of unwatchable because
there's always some kind of leftwing undertone to it. And so

(55:08):
it's it's it's starting to, Ithink, change a little bit, I
mean, especially with movieslike Top Gun being made. But,
the last 10 years or so, I mean,it's just been or it's probably
more than that. It's been just,like, just shoved down our
throats constantly, and peopleare tuning it out. They're
losing money at the box office.
People don't wanna listen to it.And people are tuning out of
those cable TV shows, andthey're going over to Netflix or

(55:30):
they're going over to DailyWire, which has a whole bunch of
interesting movies and TV showsthat they've made that are just
movies that are not evenconservative messaging. It's
just movies and entertainment,which is what the Hollywood
industry should be. I think thatRicky Gervais, at the was it the
Golden Globes? Gervais.
Yeah. Yeah. The people I thinkmore celebrities should listen

(55:52):
to him and that messaging andthat come up, accept your award,
and sit down. You're not you'renot you're not, qualified to
give the public a lecture whenmost of you didn't, spend any
more time in school than GretaThunberg. So

Jim Lakely (56:06):
Right. Yeah.

That's kind of my take on it. I agree with you. I
think it's starting to change.The culture is starting to
change. Americans are fed up,but, it's gonna it's it's a it's
gonna it's gonna, I think,linger.
I think we're gonna see thedownfall of the media before we
see the downfall of, like,Hollywood entertainment. And I
think it's gonna be a slowertransition there because there's
more money involved in that.

Yeah. Well, I mean, you're right. I would
rather watch Animal House like a100 times than watch any of the
top movies that have come out inthe last, couple of years pretty
much, except for maybe the onesthat you mentioned. I I have a
bit more of a cynical opinion onthis. I think it's not going to
stop until it's absolutelyforced to stop.

(56:52):
I think that like with the comicbooks industry, which, you know,
I was into comics when I was in,like, high school and stuff,
they they they're still doingit. They sell, you know, a tenth
of what they used to sell incomic books because of the,
social justice mesh, messagingthat they've jammed into

(57:13):
everything, and they're stilldoing it. They have not reversed
course. They've doubled down,and it's killing them, and they
don't care probably because theyare making money elsewhere as in
they are getting covered, by,like, BlackRock or or some other
kind of funding source thatdoesn't have to be necessarily

(57:33):
directly tied to sales. I thinkthe same thing is gonna keep
happening with Hollywood.
I think that there will be somemovies that come out that are
better, and they'll do really,really well. But most of it is
going to continue to be utterslop until they are forced to
change. And I'm not sure thatthey're going to. I think
they're just gonna runthemselves into the ground, and

(57:54):
I think there will bealternatives that will come up
to Hollywood.

That's a fair assessment. I I can I can
actually agree with thatsentiment and and see where I
might be wrong in my myreasoning? I also wanted to
point out as an aside, it wasEddie Murphy, not Phil Murphy's
the governor of New Jersey. Iwas it's Eddie Murphy. It was a
Murphy in Beverly Hill cup.
So that was embarrassing, butwe're gonna continue on.

Phil Murphy is a joke. The same person.

Jim Lakely (58:21):
It's a joke. Phil Murphy is a joke, but he's not a
comedian. So alright. Alright.Yeah.
And and I just wanted to and Ithink you're right. I mean,
again, the the theme of this isthat everything feels different.
And then, obviously, it's tooearly to know and to feel
anything different fromHollywood. But seeing a story
like that where, this electionhas been a wake up call to the
world, really, I think, in inmany ways. And that for

(58:44):
Hollywood to actually run astory like this, where producers
are saying, gosh, half thecountry, doesn't like our
messaging.
Maybe we should considerentertaining them, and and, you
know, making them happycustomers and consumers of our
product. And it's not and,again, it's not the idea that,
you know, leftists haven't triedto infuse messaging in their

(59:06):
entertainment. It was just donea lot more subtly, and it was
actually entertaining when itwhen it happened. You know,
Norman Lear, the great legendarytelevision producer, I think
died just a few months ago atthe age of a 100, I think it
was, or close to a 100. Anyway,of course, he he was responsible
for the show all in the family.
And, you know, you guys are tooyoung for this, Linnea and

(59:28):
Chris, to watch that live. Youmay have seen a rerun or 2, and
I but I know a lot in ouraudience are very familiar with
all in the family. You know, thethe butt of every joke was
Archie Bunker, who was a bigot.And what was, I think the
Carroll O'Connor who played himin Norman Lear started to get a
little worried and resentfulthat he was the most popular
character in the show and thatthe audience loved him, and he

(59:50):
was a bigot. And it was becauseyou know, and that horrified
them.
And then another show I rememberwas, was Family Ties. You guys
might remember that. I know alot of people in the audience
probably Yeah. Yeah. So that wasMichael that was Michael j Fox's
big star turn as a TV star.
He became a movie star. But thepremise of the show, the but the
the source of the comedy and theconflict and the fun, actually,

(01:00:13):
on that show was the fact thathis parents were 2 sixties
hippie liberals, who were tryingto impose leftist hippie values
into their children. But Michaelj Fox rejected it all. He was a
Reagan republican. He was in therepublican club at high school.
He was a big time conservative.And so it was so there was a
message there. There was amessage that they were trying to

(01:00:34):
get through. They actuallywanted to promote the liberal
message and make its and make,Michael j Fox look like a
buffoon. But Michael j Foxplayed that role so well, and he
made such good points that theopposite had happened.
So, you know, Hollywood can geta message across as long as it's
entertaining, it's handledfairly, and, and risk and,
frankly, just respects the otherside. And I think that's I think

(01:00:56):
what we're hopefully going tosee and where everything may
feel different is that our mediaand our and our culture and,
hopefully, now our schools willstart treating a lot of people
that don't agree with them witha lot more respect.

Linnea Lueken (01:01:08):
Yeah. Well and I I'm you know, you won't when you
watch old, especially oldcomedy, you tend to just be
struck by how much moreintelligent it is than comedy
George Carlin. Come out now.Sorry?

Chris Martz (01:01:19):
George Carlin comes to mind.

Oh, yeah. Not so I've never been much of a fan,
but, I'm I'm thinking more alongthe lines of, like, Caddyshack.
Yeah. Here's to, like you know,it's just it's just more
intelligently, intelligentlywritten comedy than now. And I
think part of the reason whythat's the case is because when

(01:01:41):
you're when you're tryingreally, really hard to give a
message that does not getmisconstrued or misinterpreted
in any way.
Like, the the left right nowcannot bear the thought of
someone coming away with thewrong message from something
that they are putting effortinto. So instead of, like,

(01:02:03):
trying to subtly weave it intothe story in an intelligent way,
they club you over the head withit about a dozen times per
scene, in order to make surethat you understand exactly
what's going on and exactly whatthey want you to believe about
this character, about whatever.This is some of the reason why
you have the dialogue now inthese movies where, characters

(01:02:26):
are telling other characterswhat their personality traits
are. And you're like, yeah. Thisis a visual medium.
You can show us this. You don'thave to you don't have to talk
us through it this way. It'sit's all it's very, very, very
painful to watch. I thinkthey're hiring, like, the lowest
in very low intelligence andvery low experience people,

(01:02:51):
like, right out of Cal Arts orsomething, to write a lot of
this stuff. And they're alljust, like, deeply, deeply
inculcated in the, the super farleft messaging.

Yeah.

Jim Lakely (01:03:09):
Yeah. So, you know, there's our there's our Tom
Cruise. As we're talkingHollywood, there's our Tom
Cruise GIF that's going to helpyou to smash that like button
and to like and subscribe tothis to this podcast. There you
go. Put your thumbs around, Tom.
If anyone knows where that whereI got that clip, if anyone
recognizes that clip, and youput it in the chat, I'll send

(01:03:29):
you a free Heartland T shirt.Alright. I don't think anyone
will get it, but we'll see. So,actually, I wanted to wrap up
here. I I think, you know,everything feels different.
The legacy media is cooked. WaltHollywood era might be over.
And, I think I wanna wrap it upby asking, both of you guys
whether you think that thisfeeling will last. And by that,

(01:03:51):
I mean that, is do you thinkthis is a real and perhaps
nothing's permanent in life, butas permanent as it gets culture
and political shift in thiscountry that that my thesis that
Americans just said on everylevel, enough, We're going back.

(01:04:12):
Kamala's what a Kamala's slogansays, we're not going back.
America said, yes. We are. We'regoing back to normalcy. So do
you do you think this this isgoing to last, political
politically and culturally inAmerica? Lynette, you start.
Sure.

It's gonna depend on a lot of things. I don't
think that there is such thingas, like, really going back
because once we've seen what theleft is willing to do, how
they're willing to weaponizeevery single department of the
government in order to go afterpolitical enemies, in order to
go after you know, keep in mind,Donald Trump has become more

(01:04:52):
conservative since he got intooffice the first time, but he
has always been like a classicalNew York Democrat, basically.
And they went after him andturned him into, like, mega
Hitler, right, in their eyes,which is insane. He's he's like
a very central it's likecentrist kind of individual,

(01:05:14):
compared to, you know, more rocksolid conservatives, that we
have in government. So the factthat they're willing to do that,
I think, now that everyone hasseen it, it's going to be much,
much harder for them to, regainthe level of social control that
they had.
And if, like, if the departmentof what is it? Government

(01:05:37):
efficiency. If Doge issuccessful in its mandate over
the next 2 years to, absolutelyobliterate, half of the federal
bureaucracy, I think that wewill see lasting change. The
media is, like like our sidebarsays, cooked. They're not going

(01:05:58):
to learn, I don't think.
Over the last week and a half, Ihave seen them double down on,
their that's the exact reasonsthat they lost in the first
place. I don't think they aregoing to come around. So it's
going we're going to continue tofight those guys until they are
just gone. I I think it canlast, but but it's gonna take us

(01:06:23):
maintaining the momentum that wehave now, and not fumbling it.

Yeah. I mean, Chris, you're you're of the age that I
was a little younger than youwhen, you know, basically, the
Reagan revolution happened, youknow, in 1980. Actually, I was I
was 10 years old. But I rememberthe first election I really
remember, obviously, was when Iwas 14 and the 1984 election,
and Ronald Reagan sweeping thecountry, losing only Minnesota

(01:06:51):
and Washington, DC to, WalterMondale, who in many ways, was
very much like a Kamala Harris,in that he was very much out of
step with the mood of thecountry, and his party got, got
destroyed and, it would be outin the wilderness for quite a
while. I get the same kind offeeling that that's what this

(01:07:12):
election was about, and thatthat's what the American people
have done.
Chris, you're you're you're ayou're younger than both me and
Linnea. It's gonna be yourgeneration that is coming into
their political power, in in inmore than any other. So what is
your view on all that?

Well, I agree, man. It sort of felt feels like 1988
I mean, probably probably, youknow, obviously a smaller scale
because Reagan, it was a, like,almost a complete wipe out, but
or 1980 rather. But, it's alsoyou know, we need to keep in
mind conservatives need to keepin mind that, you know, in 1928,
Herbert Hoover swept almost theentire country. And then 4 years
later okay. Why is this doingthis?

(01:07:52):
Be back in a second. But I wassaying that Herbert Hoover swept
the country.

That's great. There you go. Lights are back on.
There we go. Oops.
It's got a grace.

Herbert Hoover swept the country in 28, and
then in 32, we had FDRobliterate Hoover. Because
obviously a lot of that had todo with the Great Depression,
obviously. But a lot can changein 4 years. So, we need to keep
that in mind. And I actually gota comment on my Twitter or X
page that conservatives need tostop gloating and beating their

(01:08:27):
chest about this and rubbing itin because what that's going to
do, just like they've been doingto us for the last 4 years and
for pretty much last 30 years,if you really think about it
other than 2016 and 2 1,004.
We they've been gloating abouttheir wins, and we finally had
enough, and we fought back. Butas as Linnea said, it's gonna

(01:08:49):
take keeping that momentum, andwe have we have we have a the
fight's not over. It's reallyonly just begun. You know, we
got the victory. We've we'vewe've won the battle, but we
haven't lost the war.
And, using winter. Okay. That'sfunny comment. Anyway, back to
what I was saying is that, youknow, we we may have won the

(01:09:10):
battle. We haven't lost the war.
We have a big war ahead of us.It's going to take take a lot of
eliminating useless, you know,cutting deficit spending down.
Trump did not do that in hisfirst term. I'm hoping that he's
gonna do that this time. I'moptimistic, with Elon Musk and
and looking into this and Vivek.
But, you know, that that remainsto be seeming. I mean,

(01:09:31):
obviously, he hasn't takenoffice yet, so I'm optimistic,
but we need to keep that inmind. We need to eliminate
bureaucracy. There's a lot of alot of the problems we have are
the bureaucracy. And also, as Iwas trying to mention earlier
about audio, we have a, we havea war to win on not only the,
you know, with the presidentialfront, which we have, but also

(01:09:51):
in Congress.
And yeah, we had the Republicanshad the majority in the senate
and the house, but, there's nota whole lot of hardcore
principled conservatives, outthere, that are in our
government. And so people are alot of voters, a lot of
conservatives are complainingabout the senate majority
leader. A lot of this has to itrests on the fault the fault

(01:10:13):
rests on not the politicians inthe office, but the people who
are voting for them in theprimaries. A lot of voters on
both sides of the aisle are lazyand they'll vote, you know,
Democrats will vote for whoeverthey see. They'll they see name
familiarity.
They're going to vote forwhoever they see on CNN or
MSNBC. It's a popular popularitycontest in the primaries and
you're going to see if theconservatives vote for whoever

(01:10:33):
they see you on Fox News gettingairtime. They're not going to
take the time to do researchinto the candidates to see where
they stand on particular issues.They just see an r or a d next
to their name, and they votethem in. The straight draining
the swamp in congress startswith the voters being informed.
And a lot of conservativevoters, I hate to say it, are
not informed when it comes whenit comes to what's going on at
the senate and the house ofrepresentatives, like, on that

(01:10:55):
level in in congress. And thenyou also have local elections,
your mayor, your city council,county board of supervisors,
district attorneys, judges,sheriffs. All of those have much
more influence on your day today life than anything in
congress and especially thepresidency. And so people need
to get involved in localelections. Taking our country
back and getting on course ofour finding fathers more or less

(01:11:19):
wanted, which what conservativeswant, it starts from the bottom
up, not from the top down, in myopinion.
And we have a lot of we gotta wehave we have momentum right now.
We need to keep it going. Wecannot drop. We cannot fumble
the ball, this early. We gottakeep it going into the midterms
into 2028.
And hopefully, Trump's cabinetpicks are are good. Hopefully,

(01:11:41):
we get the the they're able toget stuff done in this
administration, especially forthe midterms while Republicans
have control. I'm optimistic,but I'm hoping that we can keep
this momentum going becausethat's what we need because,
again, it's a long long drawnout battle a a war. We've only
just won a battle.

Yeah. And I would just add to that. I mean, I
think the left, controls so muchof our institutions. They've
they've spent decadesinfiltrating academia,
Hollywood, media, everywherethat they convinced themselves
that they had won, that theyactually do run everything, and
now they're going to exert theirpower. They're going to, try to

(01:12:20):
convince the public things thataren't true, that there are 57
different genders, that a boyplaying a girl sport is actually
a boy if he says so.
They thought that they couldrecreate reality into their own
image And the world and Americasaid you can't. You've abused
our tolerance. You've abused ourtrust of you as an institution,

(01:12:42):
and we see you now. And I thinkthat's where I I think this
feeling will last a long timebecause, not, you know, as you
were warning, Chris, not tooverplay your hand, not to not
to spike the football in theirface over and over again, but to
keep your head down and do thereal hard work that's necessary,
to save the country in the wayit needs to be saved. What's

(01:13:03):
gonna help with that is the factthat the left, I think, still
doesn't realize what hashappened.
They don't realize that theworld of their imagination is
not the world of reality, andit's gonna take them a while to
get their feet around feet underthem. So we'll steam ahead for
normalcy, conservatism, commonsense, and hopefully, a sunny
economic world in the future. SoI wanna thank everyone for being

(01:13:26):
on this kind of special freeform edition of the In The Tang
podcast. I wanna thank LinneaLukin, for being on the show.
Tune in tomorrow at 1 PM ESTwhere I will be hosting her and
2 other climate experts on theClimate Realism Show.
Thank you, Chris Martz, forbeing on the show, from
Pennsylvania That's right, Mike.And your your ex audience. We

(01:13:46):
really appreciate it. We willhave you on again. That's all
for now, and we will see younext week.
Bye bye. As soon as I find theoutro button. There it is.

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