September 26, 2023 • 30 mins
This episode is all about off-roading and adventures! Meet Jill Ciminillo and Kristin Shaw, two brave hearts who weathered the all-female Rebel Rally in 2022 and are preparing for the 2023 event. They throw light on the thrill of navigating through this unique challenge. No GPS or cellphones, only paper maps and latitude-longitude points. We also touch on the event's format, the types of vehicles used, and how participants are self-funded. The adrenaline doesn't stop there. Get a backstage pass into the strategy behind off-roading, camping, handling food, and bathroom breaks during the Rally and maybe the aspiration to tackle the Dakar Rally.
But the episode isn't just about the thrill, it is also about the grit. Our guests provide a deep dive into the nitty-gritty of the Rally - from the points system and the time-speed-distance segment to the fascinating rule of determining the departure times based on the previous day's performance.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to another In Wheel Time Podcast, a 30 minute
mini version of the In WheelTime car show that airs live
every Saturday morning 8 to 11am.
Central Podcast Channel.
Welcome to the In Wheel Timecar talk show Coming up.
We're going to talk to Jill andKristen about the Rebel rally,
(00:24):
Conrad's got the In Wheel Timecar clinic and we'll have this
week's auto news all about thebig strike with the UAW mainly
up north.
Howdy, along with Mike out ofthis World, Mars King, Conrad
DeLong.
We always need more.
Jeff Zekin.
I'm Don Armstrong.
Thanks so much for joining uson this Saturday.
Going to be hot here in Houstontoday and it's just as hot on
(00:46):
this car talk show Because wehave joining us right now.
Jill Seminello and Kristen Shaw.
Rebel rally participants.
Good morning ladies.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Good morning.
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Well, we're doing great.
Thank you so much for joiningus today.
So before we get started here,let's talk about the Rebel rally
and explain to everybody whatit really is.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, you know I mean a lot of people will call it a
race, but it's not really a race, it's more of a navigational
challenge.
So essentially you start in onelocation this year we're
starting in Mammoth, california,and you end in one location,
which is usually the GlamisDunes, down near the Mexican
border.
So we cover about 1200 to 1500miles of driving over eight days
(01:33):
and they take away your phone.
They take away your GPS andyour vehicle.
You're not allowed to ask foroutside help and you have a map,
a compass, a plotter andlongitude, latitude points to
get you from point A to point B.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Is this all female?
It is.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It is all female competition.
Some of the sports staff aremen, but all of the competitors
are women.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
How many competitors are there?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, I know last year there were about 50 teams.
I feel like this year theremight be more, maybe like 55
teams.
I'm not exactly sure how manyteams.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Teams of two.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Teams of two.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, and what kind of cars I mean you drive, press
cars or your own car?
How does that work?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
You know, it's usually your own car.
Chris and I are sponsored byHyundai, so they've given us a
Hyundai Santa Cruz to drive andwe've modified it, you know,
adding a lift, we've added somerally lights, we've added skid
plates, you know, things likethat to make it a little bit
more off-road worthy.
But most of the competitors outthere are self-funded, which
(02:42):
means that they are, you know,doing their own entry fees and
they are paying their own way.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Got to buy your own gas.
Are there any Buy?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
your own gas.
It's like $30,000 to compete inthe event, because the
registration fee itself is$15,000.
And then you've got all thetravel, the hotels, the training
, the supplies.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Are there any EVs in this?
Yes, how do they charge on theway I was going?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
to say how does that work?
Do you pull a trailer with adiesel generator on the back of
it?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
No, Well, maybe actually what they do is they
have some sponsors that willbring, like, essentially, a
charging truck, and so, similarto bringing a fuel truck, which
there's a fuel truck at basecamp, every night the EVs will
(03:34):
go and charge and the gasolinevehicles will go and fuel up,
and then there are sometimeswhen we do long transfers, so
we'll go 500 miles in a day andthere are specific gas stations
that are charging stations thatwe are allowed to stop at Does
everybody?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I'm sorry to interrupt, but does everybody
leave at the same time?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yes and no, you leave around the same time, but not
at exactly the same time, sosometimes you draw a number out
of a hat and it'll tell you theorder in which you leave.
They usually send people out inabout 10-minute increments, so
that not everybody is going tothe same place at the same time,
and then oftentimes, though,your wave or your departure time
(04:22):
is determined by how well youdid the previous day, so if you
end up leaving late, that is nota good thing.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Kristen, how did you get suckered into this?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
It's Jill's fault.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I think everything is always my fault.
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, I got it.
No, I totally understand.
No, seriously, how do you twoknow each other?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
We've known each other for several years as
automotive journalists and Ireally liked her.
As soon as I met her, and whenshe asked me if I wanted to do
this with her, I said yes, I'dbeen thinking about it because I
covered it as media in 2021.
And I thought, wow, this iscrazy.
This is epic.
I don't know if I can do this.
So when Jill asked me, Ithought it was worth a try and
(05:08):
we had a great experience.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Do you all swap duties on?
One drive some segment and theother one does the navigation?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
The other one reads the map.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
We did that last year .
We swapped back and forth, eachperson had a day and this year
I'm going to be the driver andJill's going to be the navigator
.
She wanted to take on thatchallenge.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
So is all the navigation done with paper maps,
because I know you can't useany electronic help.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
That's correct.
We seal up our phones with likecrime scene tape so we can't
use them.
And they give us paper maps,just like the one that's behind
me here in the video, and theygive us latitude and longitude
points and we have to plot thoseout.
So, they may also give us abearing where we use our so it's
tempting to use the nav in thevehicle.
That's disabled, can't do that.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
They take it out.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Oh yeah, so Jill understands how to operate the
origami of opening and closingthat Texaco map I used to get
back in the 60s right.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
We hope so.
I don't want to break it or ripit or lose it.
That would be the goal.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Do they issue maps or you just have to go find your
own map?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
They issue the maps On the prologue day.
Essentially what they do isthey have a one or a two hour.
They call it a training session, but during that time they kind
of give you the notes for therally in general and then they
will give you all of your maps.
So if there's 12 maps for therally, you get all 12 maps.
(06:40):
So typically what people do isyou get your maps, you fold them
neatly and then you let themnumber them and then they have
little organizers.
Last year we did not have anorganizer, this year we have an
organizer, but they haveorganizers that you put them in
so that when you need the mapyou know where it is and you can
pull it out, and it's moredifficult to lose it that way.
(07:01):
But every day when you get yourlongitude and latitude points,
it'll say on your checkpointsheet which maps you will be
using for the day, sort of likea trapper keeper.
Yep, exactly, exactly, so youcan put it without punching
holes in it, because that wouldtake up a lot of square foot.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
So how do you become a winner on this?
I mean, is it timed and makingsure that you hit all of your
check?
How does that all work?
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yep, can I say it's designed for people to win that
have had the experience, so itwould be highly unlikely for a
rookie to win, because there'sso much that you have to know
and collecting all thesecheckpoints each day.
Like they have green, blue andblack.
(07:53):
Green might be worth 20 points,blues might be worth a little
bit less and the blacks might beworth a little bit less than
that.
The black ones are unmarked, sowe get this little digital
tracker device.
The green ones have a big flag,those are easy to see.
The blue might have a flag.
It might have a little pole inthe ground, and the black ones
we click the checker, thecheckpoint thing.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
When you think you're there and we say you think it's
here, yeah, I got you.
How often do you get lost?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Every day, no comment .
I don't know.
I will totally comment everyday, at least when I'm
navigating.
We get lost every day.
But here's the thing it's likeyou're lost but you're never
truly lost because you have avague idea of where you're going
to be like, where you are, andyou do always have that tracker
so you can click it and get yourlongitude, latitude points and
(08:43):
then plot it on the map and youcan be like oh, I thought it was
over here but no, it's actuallyover here, and then you can
kind of reroute, plan dependingon where you actually are versus
where you need to be.
Now, the one problem that we raninto a couple of times last
year so we're driving a HyundaiSanta Cruz which probably only
has nine or 10 inches of groundclearance it's not a lot and I
(09:08):
would look out into the distanceand I would see like a
telephone pole or a power line.
It'd be like that is where weneed to be, and then we just
couldn't get there.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
How do you get there right?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, because I mean it's not a straight line.
It's never a straight line andyou know, okay, I have to go 46
degrees and I need to go 1.2kilometers for 46 degrees.
But again, it's not just youknow one straight 1.2 kilometers
, and in the middle of all ofthis you know there could be
sand dunes, there could be rocks, there could be a mountain,
there could be like any numberof things in that direction that
(09:44):
you have to get around or getover to get to that telephone
pole or you know power line, thelandmark yeah.
There was one day, specifically,where I was like the power line
is right there, I see it.
And we literally like went backand forth for two hours and I
just couldn't find a way to getthere.
And you know, one of thebeautiful things about Rebell is
(10:06):
it's a lot of women helpingwomen.
And we finally ran acrossanother couple teams, you know,
one was in a Ram 1500 and theother was in a Jeep Wrangler,
and I was like let's work, we'retrying to go and we just can't
figure out how to get there.
And the Ram was like we'll gofirst you follow us and then the
Jeep will follow you, and thenthat way, if you get stuck, if
(10:26):
you have a problem, you've gottwo of us to pull you out of it.
And I was like okay, I canmanage that and we've managed to
get out of it to get where weneed to be.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
So this is not just strictly an on-road kind of
course thing that you, it'soff-road as well.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Oh, it's pretty much 90% off-road 90% off-road.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Now, when you say starting in Mammoth, california,
is that up there near YosemitePark?
Okay?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
We don't know yet.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
So we have a location for the hotel that we will be
staying at, and it won't beuntil we get to the hotel that
they tell us where our firstbase camp is.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Oh, so do you have to take your own camping gear.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
We do.
We have a six-person tent.
There's a really funny video ofJill practicing first time how
to put it up and take it down,because it's one of those that
you have to twist and fold andshe basically pounced on it to
fold it back the first time.
But now we've got to figure out.
We've got our sleeping bag,pillows, everything we need to
(11:30):
be self-sufficient.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Well, if she can do the map, she can do the tent.
Right, yeah, fold it.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Well, no, that's my job as the driver now.
I've got to put the tent awayevery day while she's plotting
the map.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Just drag it behind you.
Yeah, tie it to the top, throwit on the top.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Fine.
Does everybody have their ownmethod of camping?
I mean, you don't have onestandard-sized tent that
everybody has, huh.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
No, some people like the one-person tent, so that
each person has their own littlecave.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Space yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, for us it's just easier to share a tent and
put everything together.
But everybody's got differentkinds of tents and different
methods, the way they camp, butwe all end up in the same place
camping together.
We're not camping out in themiddle of nowhere by ourselves,
gotcha.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Now, what do you do for bathroom breaks and food?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Well, bathroom breaks you go where you are, because
there's no bathrooms out in themiddle of the desert.
So we have this inventioncalled the privacy sheet.
It's just a big king-sizefitted sheet that hangs between
our two doors.
And that makes a little littlecove for us.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, well, it's a little bit different for girls
than it is for guys, because allwe need is a tree.
We don't even need a tree.
It doesn't make any difference,you don't even need a tree.
So what do you do?
What do you do for food?
I mean, you pack your own foodor you stop at the 7-Eleven on
the corner.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Everything tastes good when it sits on a writ.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, that's right, there's no 7-Eleven anywhere,
sadly, but they feed usbreakfast as we're getting ready
for the day, as we're plottingour points, and then we bring
our own lunch.
Might be snacks.
There's not a whole lot of timeto sit and eat lunch, so it
might be apple and a handful ofcorn nuts as you drive Lots of
water.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Finger food that you can eat and drive if you need it
.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And then I assume that when you get to the
stopping point that night, thatthere's going to be food there
for you.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Exactly, they actually have a Michelin chef
hired.
It's not fancy food, but it's agood food.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
It's better than a Goodyear chef.
Right yeah, food and liquor,and liquor.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
So do you have a little nip every once in?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
a while at the end of the evening.
No, never.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Never.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I mean some people do .
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Some people do, but we did not Our treat.
We had a refrigerator last yearin our truck, so our treat was
like a cold sparkling water orcold coconut water at the end of
the day.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
God.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
But that's good with vodka.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
That's what I think Tito's.
Here I come.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I will say that one of the competitors brought us
little bottles of fireball atthe beginning last year.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And they were like look at me the entire time.
And there were a couple of dayswhere I was like damn it.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I need the fireball.
Break out the fireball.
Just that little hit ofcinnamon, right?
So they give you longitude andlatitude points that you have to
hit to earn your green, blue,black flag, correct?
Is that what you're saying,correct?
And that's how you accumulatepoints.
Now, is there also a time todistance component of that?
(14:38):
Or is it just aboutaccumulating points by hitting
those uh, lange Lat, those marks, yup.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
There is a time speed distance segment called an
Enduro.
On every day, and that is youknow.
It'll say for 1.8 kilometers,you're going to go 25 kilometers
per hour.
Everything's in kilometers, bythe way, so we've been wrapping
our head around that for thelast two years.
What, where did you place?
Last year we were.
(15:07):
We were probably in the bottomthird overall.
Like I said but you finished,yeah we finished that,
absolutely finished, and we werewe did about, as well as most
rookies do.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
See, they'd say we finished, but ours would be six
months later.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
That's what we would do.
Now do you guys have anyexperience in off-roading or
racing or any any kind ofcompetitive things to do with an
automobile?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I do not.
I mean other than so.
As automotive journalists youattend a lot of like driving
programs.
You know Land Rover or Ford orwhatever they will, a Jeep you
know they'll have let's test thenew Jeep Wrangler and we'll go
out to Moab to do that and so alot of experience driving in
controlled environments withinstructors and spotters and
(15:59):
things like that and vehiclesthat are incredibly capable.
But I've never competed on aracetrack or in an off-road
environment.
So this, this is a completelynew thing where I have to look
at the situation and be like allright, I think we can make it
through that, I think it'll befine.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Are you growing doing this?
Are you growing in anyaspirations to do Dakar?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I'm not yet.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Because I think that's, that's even crazier than
what you're doing now.
Do you have family members thatfollow you during this event or
they like go to differentstages or they meet you places?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
They're not allowed to because if you talk to anyone
outside of your competitorswhile you're on the road it
could be considered cheating.
They could give you information.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Can't stop and ask directions.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Nobody on the side of the road holding up a, you know
, a sign or something.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Nope.
No, no there is, there is atracker so they can follow you
online and see where you are.
Like the day that we were stuckin that wash and going back and
forth and back and forth, ourengineer for Hyundai was
following us and he was like,yeah, there was this.
One day he's like I justcouldn't figure out what you
were trying to do and I was like, yeah, that would be us in the
(17:12):
middle of a block.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Neither could we right.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah, Are you guys broadcasting this stuff on for
your followers or anything?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
There is a live show that the rebel does every day.
They have people that host ashow and they interview
different competitors and theyshow where we are and they have
drone footage and everythingthat.
The photography and videoquality is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Kind of like our show .
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Don't laugh too hard, Jill.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I mean, but you guys you got.
Are you guys consideredinfluences or influencers, or
just journalists, or both?
Journalists, journalists, Okay,and all of your competitors are
journalists as well.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
No.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Very few.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
There's maybe one other set of.
Well, there's maybe two, two orthree other journalists, I
think.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Who are these other people?
Do you even know?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, we know, mina and Mara are from Hearst
Corporation, so they're with theRoad and Track and ones from
Cosmopolitan.
And then Mercedes Lilliantholis a freelance writer.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Oh yeah, we know the Lillianthol Friend of the show,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, but outside of the journalists, do you know any
of the other people, and whereare they from?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Oh, yes, Well, we know the ones that we've met
through training and throughlast year, you know.
So repeat competitors will knowthem.
And we've got a group onFacebook where everybody kind of
keeps touch and talks aboutdifferent things they're working
on or different tips.
So gotcha.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Are there any international players in this
game?
I mean, does anybody come infrom?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Europe or someplace.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Somebody came in from Canada and that was as
international as it got lastyear.
There isn't any reason why theycouldn't come in
internationally, I mean, andthere are women's competitions
overseas, but I don't.
Last year I think Canada was asfar as the international was.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
And you said start to finish, you'll put on 1500
miles.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I mean 1200 to 1500.
Yeah, I mean, we don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
And how many days will that take To eight days
Eight or 12?
.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Eight, eight days.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
So, Jill, you're in Chicago and Kristen where are
you.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Austin Texas.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Oh, you're Austin.
Okay, very good, and let's seeKristen, instagram, facebook,
tiktok, twitter, but you alsohave written for popular science
, edmunds, motor One, forbes,road and Track, so you're well
versed as well.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Love my job, love my life.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
No doubt.
Well, listen, ladies, it's apleasure to talk to you.
We wish you the best of luck.
Will you please keep us postedon your actual run in the Rebel
Rally this year.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Absolutely, and you know, if anybody is curious,
they can follow us on Instagramat teambrootsquad, and we will
have a social media manager whowill be posting things during
the event of us and of the eventitself.
So you know you can track usvia the rebelrallycom website.
(20:26):
They tell you how to do that,but our Instagram teambrootsquad
, or we use the hashtag we arethebrootsquad because that's our
team name.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well, jill and Kristen, it is great to talk to
you guys and we wish you thebest of luck.
Thank you so much for beingwith us today, and we'll be
following.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Thank you, good luck, yeah, good luck to see it
please.
Hey, we'd love to hear from you.
Just shoot us an email.
The address here is info atinwheeltimecom.
I'm now for Conrad's car clinic.
What are we talking about today?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Well, one of the other fluids in a vehicle is a
diesel exhaust fluid and it'snot the lubricator muffler.
You know, diesel exhaust fluidhas been around since about 2014
.
And what it's designed to do isreduce the amount of nitrates
of oxygen in the exhaust of adiesel engine.
So this is actually a fluidthat's sprayed into the exhaust
(21:25):
system to act as a catalyst toknock the nitrates of oxygen
down, which is a poisonousexhaust emission.
So that's what they're tryingto do with it and it's basically
death fluid is about 67%deionized water, which is more
of a pure water, and about 32.
(21:48):
Put you at, put in your iron,yeah, well, ok, like a distilled
water.
Death is an acronym of dieselexhaust fluid.
There you go.
Ok, I missed that.
And then 32% is urea, and thatis the urea as a catalyst, and
that mixture has to be prettygood.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Does that have anything to do with urine?
Speaker 4 (22:08):
I don't know, I've never tried Don.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
But well, no, I don't know.
I'm asking sincerely what is itUrea?
Speaker 4 (22:17):
It's a liquid that's 32% of death fluid.
There you go, so scientific toknow.
You could use regular water,but the problem with using tap
water like washing a black car.
What happens if you don't dryoff Spots?
So all of that mineral in thereis going to cause problems
inside your death fluid.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
OK, I got you.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
That's why they have to use a distilled, or what they
call deionized water, becausethey don't want that corrosive.
But it's not corrosive, butit'll cause clogs It'll, clogs
it up like a plaque.
It'll turn crystal on theinjector sprayer and then all
the injector sprayers startspraying on.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I understand that death fluid is expensive.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
It's not outrageously expensive but it does have a
shelf life.
And in Texas the shelf life isshort because of the ambient
temperature.
And they tell and I know thisat the dealerships.
They tell the dealerships youwant to store your death fluid
in an air conditioned area andyou want it up off the concrete
(23:20):
floor because the concrete flooris going to change temperature
greater so you want a littleairflow around it because the
death fluids, half life, thelife of the fluids, cut in half
every 30 days above 90 degrees.
And I'm thinking let's see,I've got a truck and it's got a
(23:41):
four and a half gallon deathtank on it and the death tank is
made of that black plastic andmy truck sits outside in the
heat in Texas and it's 105degrees.
How quickly does that dieselexhaust deteriorate Just sitting
in your truck waiting to use?
Back in the day my dad wouldhave distilled water for filling
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the battery.
And because of the corrosiveSame reason because you don't
want to introduce those mineralsinto a battery.
That's going to affect theperformance of the battery.
Same thing with the death fluidthat crystallization becomes
quite an issue because and itcan be quite expensive to
replace your diesel exhaustfluid.
(24:23):
Now if you drive a diesel, youknow what I'm talking about.
When you open up the gas capand there's the green cap,
that's where the diesel fluidgoes, and then there's the blue
cap and that's where the deathfluid goes.
My issue is they shouldn't benext to each other.
They should be in two separateparts of the vehicle because
every now and then somebody willput death in their diesel or
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diesel in their death.
And it's not like mixingchocolate in your peanut butter
and peanut butter with yourchocolate, which is good.
Death fluid and diesel fluidwill destroy an injection system
and diesel fluid in the deathtank will destroy the death
injection system.
And that can be, you know, five$6,000 on the death side of
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things.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
That can be $10,000, $12,000 on the diesel side, and
if it doesn't, I think, a deathleopard would not get here.
I'm thinking death leopard, Iwas thinking death jam.
You know, you get the damnthing.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Okay, are you done yet?
So so again you know if you'rebuying death fluid, you want to
buy fresh and you want to buyoften.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I wonder how many of our listeners, viewers, actually
have diesel engines that thatuse death fluid, if they've got
one that was built after 2014,.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Pretty much all of them have death fluid on them.
You know Chrysler was the onewho came to death fluid last.
Don't know why, but theCummings didn't start with
diesel exhaust fluid as early asthe GMs and the Ford's did.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
A design, but it's all but it's also the diesel.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
exhaust fluid is not just in what I'll call the
automotive diesel, the Duramax,the power stroke and the Cummins
, it's also in the off-roadstuff.
So you actually see death fluidthat has to be used on
caterpillars and and and Volvo.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Half they were built after 2014.
Big 2014.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
They were built after 2014.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
So you know, hey, well, look at my new caterpillar
with the tracks on it it was.
It was built in 2013.
So I don't have to worry aboutit.
But my buddy over here, hebought himself a new one and
he's got one of 2020.
It's running just fine.
And that death fluid it costs alot of money after a while.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Well over time, it does cost.
It does cost money.
It's not cheap.
It's not not nearly asexpensive as fuel is, and fuel,
you know, fuel is such avolatile price.
Diesel, fuel, diesel.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
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Jill Seminello and Kristen Shaw.
Rebel rally participants.
Good morning ladies.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Good morning.
How are you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Well, we're doing great.
Thank you so much for joiningus today.
So before we get started here,let's talk about the Rebel rally
and explain to everybody whatit really is.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, you know I mean a lot of people will call it a
race, but it's not really a race, it's more of a navigational
challenge.
So essentially you start in onelocation this year we're
starting in Mammoth, california,and you end in one location,
which is usually the GlamisDunes, down near the Mexican
border.
So we cover about 1200 to 1500miles of driving over eight days
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and they take away your phone.
They take away your GPS andyour vehicle.
You're not allowed to ask foroutside help and you have a map,
a compass, a plotter andlongitude, latitude points to
get you from point A to point B.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Is this all female?
It is.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It is all female competition.
Some of the sports staff aremen, but all of the competitors
are women.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
How many competitors are there?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, I know last year there were about 50 teams.
I feel like this year theremight be more, maybe like 55
teams.
I'm not exactly sure how manyteams.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Teams of two.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Teams of two.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, and what kind of cars I mean you drive, press
cars or your own car?
How does that work?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
You know, it's usually your own car.
Chris and I are sponsored byHyundai, so they've given us a
Hyundai Santa Cruz to drive andwe've modified it, you know,
adding a lift, we've added somerally lights, we've added skid
plates, you know, things likethat to make it a little bit
more off-road worthy.
But most of the competitors outthere are self-funded, which
(02:42):
means that they are, you know,doing their own entry fees and
they are paying their own way.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Got to buy your own gas.
Are there any Buy?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
your own gas.
It's like $30,000 to compete inthe event, because the
registration fee itself is$15,000.
And then you've got all thetravel, the hotels, the training
, the supplies.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Are there any EVs in this?
Yes, how do they charge on theway I was going?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
to say how does that work?
Do you pull a trailer with adiesel generator on the back of
it?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
No, Well, maybe actually what they do is they
have some sponsors that willbring, like, essentially, a
charging truck, and so, similarto bringing a fuel truck, which
there's a fuel truck at basecamp, every night the EVs will
(03:34):
go and charge and the gasolinevehicles will go and fuel up,
and then there are sometimeswhen we do long transfers, so
we'll go 500 miles in a day andthere are specific gas stations
that are charging stations thatwe are allowed to stop at Does
everybody?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I'm sorry to interrupt, but does everybody
leave at the same time?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yes and no, you leave around the same time, but not
at exactly the same time, sosometimes you draw a number out
of a hat and it'll tell you theorder in which you leave.
They usually send people out inabout 10-minute increments, so
that not everybody is going tothe same place at the same time,
and then oftentimes, though,your wave or your departure time
(04:22):
is determined by how well youdid the previous day, so if you
end up leaving late, that is nota good thing.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Kristen, how did you get suckered into this?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
It's Jill's fault.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I think everything is always my fault.
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, I got it.
No, I totally understand.
No, seriously, how do you twoknow each other?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
We've known each other for several years as
automotive journalists and Ireally liked her.
As soon as I met her, and whenshe asked me if I wanted to do
this with her, I said yes, I'dbeen thinking about it because I
covered it as media in 2021.
And I thought, wow, this iscrazy.
This is epic.
I don't know if I can do this.
So when Jill asked me, Ithought it was worth a try and
(05:08):
we had a great experience.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Do you all swap duties on?
One drive some segment and theother one does the navigation?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
The other one reads the map.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
We did that last year .
We swapped back and forth, eachperson had a day and this year
I'm going to be the driver andJill's going to be the navigator
.
She wanted to take on thatchallenge.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
So is all the navigation done with paper maps,
because I know you can't useany electronic help.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
That's correct.
We seal up our phones with likecrime scene tape so we can't
use them.
And they give us paper maps,just like the one that's behind
me here in the video, and theygive us latitude and longitude
points and we have to plot thoseout.
So, they may also give us abearing where we use our so it's
tempting to use the nav in thevehicle.
That's disabled, can't do that.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
They take it out.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Oh yeah, so Jill understands how to operate the
origami of opening and closingthat Texaco map I used to get
back in the 60s right.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
We hope so.
I don't want to break it or ripit or lose it.
That would be the goal.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Do they issue maps or you just have to go find your
own map?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
They issue the maps On the prologue day.
Essentially what they do isthey have a one or a two hour.
They call it a training session, but during that time they kind
of give you the notes for therally in general and then they
will give you all of your maps.
So if there's 12 maps for therally, you get all 12 maps.
(06:40):
So typically what people do isyou get your maps, you fold them
neatly and then you let themnumber them and then they have
little organizers.
Last year we did not have anorganizer, this year we have an
organizer, but they haveorganizers that you put them in
so that when you need the mapyou know where it is and you can
pull it out, and it's moredifficult to lose it that way.
(07:01):
But every day when you get yourlongitude and latitude points,
it'll say on your checkpointsheet which maps you will be
using for the day, sort of likea trapper keeper.
Yep, exactly, exactly, so youcan put it without punching
holes in it, because that wouldtake up a lot of square foot.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
So how do you become a winner on this?
I mean, is it timed and makingsure that you hit all of your
check?
How does that all work?
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yep, can I say it's designed for people to win that
have had the experience, so itwould be highly unlikely for a
rookie to win, because there'sso much that you have to know
and collecting all thesecheckpoints each day.
Like they have green, blue andblack.
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Green might be worth 20 points,blues might be worth a little
bit less and the blacks might beworth a little bit less than
that.
The black ones are unmarked, sowe get this little digital
tracker device.
The green ones have a big flag,those are easy to see.
The blue might have a flag.
It might have a little pole inthe ground, and the black ones
we click the checker, thecheckpoint thing.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
When you think you're there and we say you think it's
here, yeah, I got you.
How often do you get lost?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Every day, no comment .
I don't know.
I will totally comment everyday, at least when I'm
navigating.
We get lost every day.
But here's the thing it's likeyou're lost but you're never
truly lost because you have avague idea of where you're going
to be like, where you are, andyou do always have that tracker
so you can click it and get yourlongitude, latitude points and
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then plot it on the map and youcan be like oh, I thought it was
over here but no, it's actuallyover here, and then you can
kind of reroute, plan dependingon where you actually are versus
where you need to be.
Now, the one problem that we raninto a couple of times last
year so we're driving a HyundaiSanta Cruz which probably only
has nine or 10 inches of groundclearance it's not a lot and I
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would look out into the distanceand I would see like a
telephone pole or a power line.
It'd be like that is where weneed to be, and then we just
couldn't get there.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
How do you get there right?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, because I mean it's not a straight line.
It's never a straight line andyou know, okay, I have to go 46
degrees and I need to go 1.2kilometers for 46 degrees.
But again, it's not just youknow one straight 1.2 kilometers
, and in the middle of all ofthis you know there could be
sand dunes, there could be rocks, there could be a mountain,
there could be like any numberof things in that direction that
(09:44):
you have to get around or getover to get to that telephone
pole or you know power line, thelandmark yeah.
There was one day, specifically,where I was like the power line
is right there, I see it.
And we literally like went backand forth for two hours and I
just couldn't find a way to getthere.
And you know, one of thebeautiful things about Rebell is
(10:06):
it's a lot of women helpingwomen.
And we finally ran acrossanother couple teams, you know,
one was in a Ram 1500 and theother was in a Jeep Wrangler,
and I was like let's work, we'retrying to go and we just can't
figure out how to get there.
And the Ram was like we'll gofirst you follow us and then the
Jeep will follow you, and thenthat way, if you get stuck, if
(10:26):
you have a problem, you've gottwo of us to pull you out of it.
And I was like okay, I canmanage that and we've managed to
get out of it to get where weneed to be.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
So this is not just strictly an on-road kind of
course thing that you, it'soff-road as well.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Oh, it's pretty much 90% off-road 90% off-road.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Now, when you say starting in Mammoth, california,
is that up there near YosemitePark?
Okay?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
We don't know yet.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
So we have a location for the hotel that we will be
staying at, and it won't beuntil we get to the hotel that
they tell us where our firstbase camp is.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Oh, so do you have to take your own camping gear.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
We do.
We have a six-person tent.
There's a really funny video ofJill practicing first time how
to put it up and take it down,because it's one of those that
you have to twist and fold andshe basically pounced on it to
fold it back the first time.
But now we've got to figure out.
We've got our sleeping bag,pillows, everything we need to
(11:30):
be self-sufficient.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Well, if she can do the map, she can do the tent.
Right, yeah, fold it.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Well, no, that's my job as the driver now.
I've got to put the tent awayevery day while she's plotting
the map.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Just drag it behind you.
Yeah, tie it to the top, throwit on the top.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Fine.
Does everybody have their ownmethod of camping?
I mean, you don't have onestandard-sized tent that
everybody has, huh.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
No, some people like the one-person tent, so that
each person has their own littlecave.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Space yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, for us it's just easier to share a tent and
put everything together.
But everybody's got differentkinds of tents and different
methods, the way they camp, butwe all end up in the same place
camping together.
We're not camping out in themiddle of nowhere by ourselves,
gotcha.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Now, what do you do for bathroom breaks and food?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Well, bathroom breaks you go where you are, because
there's no bathrooms out in themiddle of the desert.
So we have this inventioncalled the privacy sheet.
It's just a big king-sizefitted sheet that hangs between
our two doors.
And that makes a little littlecove for us.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, well, it's a little bit different for girls
than it is for guys, because allwe need is a tree.
We don't even need a tree.
It doesn't make any difference,you don't even need a tree.
So what do you do?
What do you do for food?
I mean, you pack your own foodor you stop at the 7-Eleven on
the corner.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Everything tastes good when it sits on a writ.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, that's right, there's no 7-Eleven anywhere,
sadly, but they feed usbreakfast as we're getting ready
for the day, as we're plottingour points, and then we bring
our own lunch.
Might be snacks.
There's not a whole lot of timeto sit and eat lunch, so it
might be apple and a handful ofcorn nuts as you drive Lots of
water.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Finger food that you can eat and drive if you need it
.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And then I assume that when you get to the
stopping point that night, thatthere's going to be food there
for you.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Exactly, they actually have a Michelin chef
hired.
It's not fancy food, but it's agood food.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
It's better than a Goodyear chef.
Right yeah, food and liquor,and liquor.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
So do you have a little nip every once in?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
a while at the end of the evening.
No, never.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Never.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I mean some people do .
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Some people do, but we did not Our treat.
We had a refrigerator last yearin our truck, so our treat was
like a cold sparkling water orcold coconut water at the end of
the day.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
God.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
But that's good with vodka.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
That's what I think Tito's.
Here I come.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I will say that one of the competitors brought us
little bottles of fireball atthe beginning last year.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And they were like look at me the entire time.
And there were a couple of dayswhere I was like damn it.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I need the fireball.
Break out the fireball.
Just that little hit ofcinnamon, right?
So they give you longitude andlatitude points that you have to
hit to earn your green, blue,black flag, correct?
Is that what you're saying,correct?
And that's how you accumulatepoints.
Now, is there also a time todistance component of that?
(14:38):
Or is it just aboutaccumulating points by hitting
those uh, lange Lat, those marks, yup.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
There is a time speed distance segment called an
Enduro.
On every day, and that is youknow.
It'll say for 1.8 kilometers,you're going to go 25 kilometers
per hour.
Everything's in kilometers, bythe way, so we've been wrapping
our head around that for thelast two years.
What, where did you place?
Last year we were.
(15:07):
We were probably in the bottomthird overall.
Like I said but you finished,yeah we finished that,
absolutely finished, and we werewe did about, as well as most
rookies do.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
See, they'd say we finished, but ours would be six
months later.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
That's what we would do.
Now do you guys have anyexperience in off-roading or
racing or any any kind ofcompetitive things to do with an
automobile?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I do not.
I mean other than so.
As automotive journalists youattend a lot of like driving
programs.
You know Land Rover or Ford orwhatever they will, a Jeep you
know they'll have let's test thenew Jeep Wrangler and we'll go
out to Moab to do that and so alot of experience driving in
controlled environments withinstructors and spotters and
(15:59):
things like that and vehiclesthat are incredibly capable.
But I've never competed on aracetrack or in an off-road
environment.
So this, this is a completelynew thing where I have to look
at the situation and be like allright, I think we can make it
through that, I think it'll befine.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Are you growing doing this?
Are you growing in anyaspirations to do Dakar?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I'm not yet.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Because I think that's, that's even crazier than
what you're doing now.
Do you have family members thatfollow you during this event or
they like go to differentstages or they meet you places?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
They're not allowed to because if you talk to anyone
outside of your competitorswhile you're on the road it
could be considered cheating.
They could give you information.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Can't stop and ask directions.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Nobody on the side of the road holding up a, you know
, a sign or something.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Nope.
No, no there is, there is atracker so they can follow you
online and see where you are.
Like the day that we were stuckin that wash and going back and
forth and back and forth, ourengineer for Hyundai was
following us and he was like,yeah, there was this.
One day he's like I justcouldn't figure out what you
were trying to do and I was like, yeah, that would be us in the
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middle of a block.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Neither could we right.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah, Are you guys broadcasting this stuff on for
your followers or anything?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
There is a live show that the rebel does every day.
They have people that host ashow and they interview
different competitors and theyshow where we are and they have
drone footage and everythingthat.
The photography and videoquality is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Kind of like our show .
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Don't laugh too hard, Jill.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I mean, but you guys you got.
Are you guys consideredinfluences or influencers, or
just journalists, or both?
Journalists, journalists, Okay,and all of your competitors are
journalists as well.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
No.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Very few.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
There's maybe one other set of.
Well, there's maybe two, two orthree other journalists, I
think.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Who are these other people?
Do you even know?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, we know, mina and Mara are from Hearst
Corporation, so they're with theRoad and Track and ones from
Cosmopolitan.
And then Mercedes Lilliantholis a freelance writer.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Oh yeah, we know the Lillianthol Friend of the show,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, but outside of the journalists, do you know any
of the other people, and whereare they from?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Oh, yes, Well, we know the ones that we've met
through training and throughlast year, you know.
So repeat competitors will knowthem.
And we've got a group onFacebook where everybody kind of
keeps touch and talks aboutdifferent things they're working
on or different tips.
So gotcha.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Are there any international players in this
game?
I mean, does anybody come infrom?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Europe or someplace.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Somebody came in from Canada and that was as
international as it got lastyear.
There isn't any reason why theycouldn't come in
internationally, I mean, andthere are women's competitions
overseas, but I don't.
Last year I think Canada was asfar as the international was.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
And you said start to finish, you'll put on 1500
miles.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I mean 1200 to 1500.
Yeah, I mean, we don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
And how many days will that take To eight days
Eight or 12?
.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Eight, eight days.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
So, Jill, you're in Chicago and Kristen where are
you.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Austin Texas.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Oh, you're Austin.
Okay, very good, and let's seeKristen, instagram, facebook,
tiktok, twitter, but you alsohave written for popular science
, edmunds, motor One, forbes,road and Track, so you're well
versed as well.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Love my job, love my life.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
No doubt.
Well, listen, ladies, it's apleasure to talk to you.
We wish you the best of luck.
Will you please keep us postedon your actual run in the Rebel
Rally this year.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Absolutely, and you know, if anybody is curious,
they can follow us on Instagramat teambrootsquad, and we will
have a social media manager whowill be posting things during
the event of us and of the eventitself.
So you know you can track usvia the rebelrallycom website.
(20:26):
They tell you how to do that,but our Instagram teambrootsquad
, or we use the hashtag we arethebrootsquad because that's our
team name.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well, jill and Kristen, it is great to talk to
you guys and we wish you thebest of luck.
Thank you so much for beingwith us today, and we'll be
following.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Thank you, good luck, yeah, good luck to see it
please.
Hey, we'd love to hear from you.
Just shoot us an email.
The address here is info atinwheeltimecom.
I'm now for Conrad's car clinic.
What are we talking about today?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Well, one of the other fluids in a vehicle is a
diesel exhaust fluid and it'snot the lubricator muffler.
You know, diesel exhaust fluidhas been around since about 2014
.
And what it's designed to do isreduce the amount of nitrates
of oxygen in the exhaust of adiesel engine.
So this is actually a fluidthat's sprayed into the exhaust
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system to act as a catalyst toknock the nitrates of oxygen
down, which is a poisonousexhaust emission.
So that's what they're tryingto do with it and it's basically
death fluid is about 67%deionized water, which is more
of a pure water, and about 32.
(21:48):
Put you at, put in your iron,yeah, well, ok, like a distilled
water.
Death is an acronym of dieselexhaust fluid.
There you go.
Ok, I missed that.
And then 32% is urea, and thatis the urea as a catalyst, and
that mixture has to be prettygood.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Does that have anything to do with urine?
Speaker 4 (22:08):
I don't know, I've never tried Don.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
But well, no, I don't know.
I'm asking sincerely what is itUrea?
Speaker 4 (22:17):
It's a liquid that's 32% of death fluid.
There you go, so scientific toknow.
You could use regular water,but the problem with using tap
water like washing a black car.
What happens if you don't dryoff Spots?
So all of that mineral in thereis going to cause problems
inside your death fluid.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
OK, I got you.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
That's why they have to use a distilled, or what they
call deionized water, becausethey don't want that corrosive.
But it's not corrosive, butit'll cause clogs It'll, clogs
it up like a plaque.
It'll turn crystal on theinjector sprayer and then all
the injector sprayers startspraying on.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I understand that death fluid is expensive.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
It's not outrageously expensive but it does have a
shelf life.
And in Texas the shelf life isshort because of the ambient
temperature.
And they tell and I know thisat the dealerships.
They tell the dealerships youwant to store your death fluid
in an air conditioned area andyou want it up off the concrete
(23:20):
floor because the concrete flooris going to change temperature
greater so you want a littleairflow around it because the
death fluids, half life, thelife of the fluids, cut in half
every 30 days above 90 degrees.
And I'm thinking let's see,I've got a truck and it's got a
(23:41):
four and a half gallon deathtank on it and the death tank is
made of that black plastic andmy truck sits outside in the
heat in Texas and it's 105degrees.
How quickly does that dieselexhaust deteriorate Just sitting
in your truck waiting to use?
Back in the day my dad wouldhave distilled water for filling
(24:02):
the battery.
And because of the corrosiveSame reason because you don't
want to introduce those mineralsinto a battery.
That's going to affect theperformance of the battery.
Same thing with the death fluidthat crystallization becomes
quite an issue because and itcan be quite expensive to
replace your diesel exhaustfluid.
(24:23):
Now if you drive a diesel, youknow what I'm talking about.
When you open up the gas capand there's the green cap,
that's where the diesel fluidgoes, and then there's the blue
cap and that's where the deathfluid goes.
My issue is they shouldn't benext to each other.
They should be in two separateparts of the vehicle because
every now and then somebody willput death in their diesel or
(24:44):
diesel in their death.
And it's not like mixingchocolate in your peanut butter
and peanut butter with yourchocolate, which is good.
Death fluid and diesel fluidwill destroy an injection system
and diesel fluid in the deathtank will destroy the death
injection system.
And that can be, you know, five$6,000 on the death side of
(25:05):
things.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
That can be $10,000, $12,000 on the diesel side, and
if it doesn't, I think, a deathleopard would not get here.
I'm thinking death leopard, Iwas thinking death jam.
You know, you get the damnthing.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Okay, are you done yet?
So so again you know if you'rebuying death fluid, you want to
buy fresh and you want to buyoften.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
I wonder how many of our listeners, viewers, actually
have diesel engines that thatuse death fluid, if they've got
one that was built after 2014,.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Pretty much all of them have death fluid on them.
You know Chrysler was the onewho came to death fluid last.
Don't know why, but theCummings didn't start with
diesel exhaust fluid as early asthe GMs and the Ford's did.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
A design, but it's all but it's also the diesel.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
exhaust fluid is not just in what I'll call the
automotive diesel, the Duramax,the power stroke and the Cummins
, it's also in the off-roadstuff.
So you actually see death fluidthat has to be used on
caterpillars and and and Volvo.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Half they were built after 2014.
Big 2014.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
They were built after 2014.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
So you know, hey, well, look at my new caterpillar
with the tracks on it it was.
It was built in 2013.
So I don't have to worry aboutit.
But my buddy over here, hebought himself a new one and
he's got one of 2020.
It's running just fine.
And that death fluid it costs alot of money after a while.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Well over time, it does cost.
It does cost money.
It's not cheap.
It's not not nearly asexpensive as fuel is, and fuel,
you know, fuel is such avolatile price.
Diesel, fuel, diesel.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Hey, quick break now and we'll be back.
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