November 17, 2025 • 49 mins
Join Warriors TALK W/Lady ReShell & Dr. Michelle Meeks Doc Michelle today at 6 PM CST as we recognize the Great American Smokeout, a national day encouraging people to quit smoking and start their journey toward better health.
Topic: Quit Today, Live Tomorrow:
What the Great American Smokeout Means for Your Health
We’re breaking down:
How smoking affects your lungs, heart & immune system
The truth about marijuana and your long-term health
Why Nov 20th is the perfect day to quit
How YOU can take action, reclaim your breath, and regain control
It’s time to move from awareness toward ACTION.
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Topic: Quit Today, Live Tomorrow:
What the Great American Smokeout Means for Your Health
We’re breaking down:
How smoking affects your lungs, heart & immune system
The truth about marijuana and your long-term health
Why Nov 20th is the perfect day to quit
How YOU can take action, reclaim your breath, and regain control
It’s time to move from awareness toward ACTION.
WATCH LIVE
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Into action.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This is Warriors Talk with your host, Lady Rachelle.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hello, welcome to Warriors Talk with author and founder Lady Rochelle,
where we move away from awareness towards action. It is
Health and Wellness Monday, and our topic for today is
we're going to be talking about the Great American Smokeout
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that's taking place on November the twentieth. It's a national
day encouraging smokers to quit. And tonight we're diving into
the conversation to talk about smoking and marijuana and the
effects on the body and how you can take action today.
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So go ahead, grab your water, grab your tea, your journey,
and your favorite snack and join in on this life
saving conversation. On the last episode of Warriors Talk, Risula
and I discussed communication versus confrontation. You can head over
to YouTube and type in Intellectual Radio and stay connected
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for any episodes you may have missed.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
The quote of the.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Day is every cigarette you don't smoke is adding minutes
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Speaker 1 (01:56):
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Speaker 5 (01:59):
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Speaker 5 (02:33):
First Lady Anna Station Richardson, and we.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Are from the Emanuel Church of God in Christ.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
We are building upon a solid foundation.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Joining me today is our healthy solution expert with over
twenty years experience and she is impact in lives every
single day, Doctor Michelle Meek's, MD, What's up Dot?
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Hello? Hello? How are you today?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I'm good, I'm good. Excited about this conversation.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
I am because we're getting to the holidays and then
in January, people are going to be making resolutions and
trying to take advantage and take care of their health.
So I thought it was a good time to start
to talk about it as the Americans Smokeout is coming
this Thursday, and just it's a reason for us to
talk about it and to talk about the benefits of
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not smoking.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Absolutely now, I often talked about my dad, who was
a smoker since he was fifteen, and he ended up
passing away from lung cancer at the age of seventy one.
And I can remember my mom when my brothers were little,
and the doctors told him that they saw a spot
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on his lung and that he needed to stop smoking,
and I can remember him trying to take steps to
stop smoking, but it wasn't successful. He ended up years later,
I want to say more than twenty thirty years later,
he ended up getting lung cancer and passing away as
a result of that. So I feel like this conversation
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can help save someone's life and encourage them to quit today.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
Yes, thank you for sharing that, because I know that
we all know someone who smokes, and we probably all
know someone who has been affected by smoking, either cancer
or other respiratory illnesses, or even there are other cancers
that can be linked to smoking. My husband's mother had
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pancreatic and colon cancer, which you know puts you at
higher risk.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
For cancers, not only lung cancer.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Wow, So one in five deaths in the US is
related to smoking. So today let's talk about the truth
about smoking and how it affects or damaged the body.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
Yes, thank you, because smoking really affects all systems of
the bodies. Right, so even beyond what we think about,
right we're smoking it. It's going to our lungs. We
not that it's causing inflammation there. It also affects other
parts of the body, like your brain. It can affect
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blood flow because one of the main things that nicotine
does is it increases inflammation, inflammation in the blood vessels,
in our organs, and so part of that inflammation is
increasing your risk for strokes, increasing your risk for blood
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pressure issues because of that, even give you headaches. All
of that can be related to small Okay, And I think.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Some people take the nicotine for granted, thinking that, oh,
you know, it's just a cigarette, it's not as bad
as if you were to maybe do some.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Cocaine or do some heroin.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
But like, no, nicotine is addictive, yes, And that's the thing.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
Because it's legal, we think, well, it must be okay.
Right now, it's probably never gonna get banned, right, even
though we know it is linked to all of these things.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Right, And so for many years, you know, even now
now you.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
Don't see as many or you don't really see any
cigarette commercials.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
Right. We remember growing up when.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
There was cigarette commercials on the TV, you know, the
Marlborough Man and all of that. And so now because
we know more about it, they aren't promoting it.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
But what about the people who are already addicted? Right?
How do we help them? Because it's so hard to quit.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
It's not only the addiction to nicotine, it's the addiction
to the habit of smoking. I smoke when I'm on
the phone, I smoke when I'm in my car. And
that's very it's a very bed or a very strong
habit to break because you still have to do those
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things even when you quit smoking, right, You're still going
to talk on the phone, you still have to take
the car home.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
And all of that.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
And so how do those how do you deal with
those triggers that are going to be there for life?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Absolutely, I can remember my dad, as soon as he
woke up, it's like, I gotta have a cigarette, even
when he was going through and this is probably bad,
going through treatment for lung cancer. It was like, I
know that I should not be smoking, but it was
still hard for him to put the cigarette down. And
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I'm just like, oh, my goodness, like and I have
to just keep reminding myself that it is an addictive thing.
It's an addictive substance. And I really think people take
it lightly because it is legal and you can get it,
and at one point they were glorifying it with the
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TV ads and everything, making it look cool to smoke.
When you're out, you got to drink and you have
the cigarette in your hand, and supposedly it looks sexy.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
And so.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Kids today probably still think that it's cool to do it.
They just find what they would call healthier waist to
get that nicotine right right.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
Yeah. And the thing again is that because it affects
all parts of the body, even simple things like having
heartburn or acid reflux or developing ulcers can come from nicotine,
and we don't think about that when we think about smoking.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
And so.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
Even even though it's not glorified, as we were saying,
people are already addicted. Some kids right are also They
may not be choosing to smoke cigarettes, but they may
be thinking, Okay, if I vape, that's healthier, or if
I smoke marijuana, that's healthier. And we know that those
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things also have their issues, which we'll talk about. But
for sure, even with vaping, there's nicotine in there. There's
other chemicals in there as well that can affect people's health,
and so we don't in the medical community, we never
say that vaping is going to be safer than smoking
a cigarette.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Right.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
It all has nicotine or other chemicals, and it all
can being inhaled into your lungs, which then causes inflammation,
causes different changes to your cells which could increase your
risk of not just cancer, but you know, copd, asthma,
those things as well.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So before we dive into the marijuana and the vaping,
I wanted to really quickly talk about what smoking does
to the skin and how it ages the skin, yes.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Right, and something we you know, want to think about
so we can age gracefully, because nicotine decreases the collagen
in your skin and it can increase your the wrinkles
in your skin, and so we and it also because
of the inflammation in the skin changes how the skin looks.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Right, Not only is it.
Speaker 7 (10:52):
Changing the collagen in your skin, we can see that
the skin looks thicker, we call it leathery. There's also
different skin spots that you can see with smokers as well.
And so when we think about other things that we
want to address or have a good quality of life,
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if you want to age gracefully, think about that too, right,
how it's changing your skin.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Yeah, they talked about the teeth.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
They talk about the breath, like you can tell like
the smoker's breath.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
It's like the real turn off.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And not to mention that your clothes and everywhere you
go you smell like smoke. And I think the people
that smoke, they so used to it, they don't really
smell it, but it's like it is.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
It's a big turn off.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
And actually, and for people who are around smokers, secondhand
smoke also increases your risk of cancer. Right, there's some
thought that actually just being around secondhand smoke a lot
really increases your risk for lung cancer. And so we
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think about that when we think about our children.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Right, they may not be.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Smoking, but if we are smoking around them, it's you know,
damaging their health as well.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
That was one of the fears that my mom had
because she was around my dad for so many years
and he smoked, that she was afraid that, oh my goodness,
you know, like I could probably get lung cancer too,
because when he was smoking, like a lot of the
times she was smoking in the house, in the car,
and like she was there.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
So that was one of her fears.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
When he passed, she ended up like going to get
her lungs checked out because she was kind of nervous
that that may be her because she had been with
him for so long. They was married at fifty three
years and the whole time he was smoking.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
So yeah, yeah, something to be aware of. And I'm
glad that she thought about it and got checked out.
One of the things we do for smokers and those
even who have quit smoking but we're smokers for a
long time, we recommend a CT scan. It's sort of
a lung screening test if you have been a smoker
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or if you are a smoker, so you can talk
to your doctor about whether you qualify for that lung
scan that can look for early signs of cancer, depending
on your history. Right, it's not for everybody, but it
depends on how long you've been smoking and how long
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you've quit smoking.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
So, did you know that smoking is still the leading
cause of preventable depths in the United States, and over
four hundred and eighty thousand Americans die every year because
of smoking. And that includes that second hand smoke. That's
not a lot of people.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
That's a lot of people, and that's cancer, that's heart disease,
you know, that's other lung issues like COPD, and so
when you put all that together, it's all related to smoking.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
And yeah, that's how they get those numbers.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
And so you talked about the cancers that people are
susceptible to because they are smoking. Along with the other diseases,
it weakens your immune system and makes it harder to
fight infections or disease.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
Min Yes, we talk a lot about, you know, keeping
your immune system healthy so that you can fight infections.
And because of the toxicity of nicotine and the inflammatory
process that it puts yourselves through.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
It really does weaken your immune system. Right, you're more.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
Likely to get those other things we hear about people
with bronchitis. They're always coughing up phlam and stuff like that.
Because also a their immune system is weakened, they're more
at risk for certain types of pneumonias.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
It's really multifactorial.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And so we really want to talk about the marijuana
because I feel like, I don't know, it seems like lately,
but then over the last ten years, I feel like
more and more people I know I smoke in marijuana.
I want to say one in two people. Yes, I'm
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so serious, smoke marijuana just about everybody I know.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
And I'm just like, wow, like when did this happen?
Speaker 6 (15:43):
Right?
Speaker 7 (15:43):
And I believe and I haven't looked at numbers, but
as the number of new tobacco smokers decreased, I wonder
if the number of marijuana users increased because we thought
it's safer for us, right, And we don't have right
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now a direct link between marijuana and lung cancer, but
we know that it also has its bad effects, although
it has some good things too, right, because we use
it for chronic pain or inflammatory conditions and things like that.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
So people think marijuana is safe because you say, oh,
it comes from the earth, like God created it. It's natural,
you know, But like they say, smoke is still smoke
and you inhaling it and your lungs. So what would
you say, Oh, what should people understand about smoking marijuana?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
What are we missing?
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Right?
Speaker 7 (16:50):
So, there's an immediate impact when you smoke marijuana, right,
First of all, it can affect your thinking, attention, you know, coordination,
all of that. It has some long term effects as well.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Right. We know that teenagers, for one thing.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
They will smoke marijuana and not smoke tobacco more than
they will you know, they'll smoke marijuana instead of tobacco.
And we know that when you smoke marijuana, it can
affect the brain's growth. It can affect you know, how
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well you're able to think, your cognition, all of that,
and not just in the immediate like I said, sometimes
it'll affect your attention and so forth. It can have
long term effects on your cognitive ability. And especially because
the brain is still growing and maturing up until age
twenty five. So anytime you're in introducing a chemical into
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your brain, into your system, there's a risk of those
those effects, right, not only in the short term but
in the long term. But we do know a lot
about marijuana. Cannabis you know that can be helpful for
people as well, because on some levels it relaxes people,
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It can act a little it can decrease a little
bit of that inflammation in the body.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
A lot of patients with chronic.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
Medical conditions use it for medical purposes, right, And we
know that there's a whole list of medical diseases that
prescribers can prescribe medical marijuana to treat in certain cases,
in certain doses. Right, we try to say, don't overuse it.
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Use it when you need to write for chronic pain,
for people who have multiple sclerosis, for any sort of
joint inflammatory conditions. People have found it to be very helpful,
and so we have to balance that positive with the
possible bad effects from overuse, from overusing in younger populations
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when the brain is still developing, and then also for
women who could be pregnant. We don't want to smoke
either tobacco or marijuana doing pregnancy.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I feel like since in our work right now, in
probation and so, you know, we do drug tests and stuff,
and one of the questions come up we asked about
drug use and they'll say, oh, yeah, I don't do drugs,
And I'm like, well, are you using anything and they go, oh, marijuana.
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I'm like, marijuana is a drug.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Oh, it's lead. I'm like, it's still a drug, right, and.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
It's legal in some states but not all states exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's still a drug even though. And I feel like
a lot of people was running to get the marijuana
card so that they can be able to smoke it
legally and not you know, be take like a violation
for it because they like, well, I smoke it every day,
like it's something it's you know, I could stop if
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I wanted to, Like, if I wanted to quit, I
could quit, but it's something that I do every single day.
And I'm like, it's still a drug.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
Yeah, yeah, and yeah, people like I said, it's it's
it's a fine line because it does work from a
medicinal purpose for medical conditions, right, But just like with alcohol,
because it can impair your attention, your cognition, your ability
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to think.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Sometimes clearly, you shouldn't be driving.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
While high, right.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Right, and people probably do that.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
I'm sorry to left, but it happens, right, and you
can get a ticket if you're a stop.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
And you know you're driving wile while high.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Why So it's the same thing I feel like they're intoxicated.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yes, I feel like they're more comfortable with it. But yes,
you can't get a dui. And the duy doesn't necessarily
mean that you know you're driving while under the influence
of alcohol. It means that you're under the influence of something.
And so yes, I think people have the wrong perception that, oh, yeah,
it's legal. So I gult smoking gear, just like you
can't drink and drive, or you shouldn't be drinking and
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driving because your judgment can become impaired and other people
and yourself can get hurt in the process.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
That's right. That's right.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
So that's something to think about because that's different than
smoking cigarettes. You can drive and smoke tobacco, right, and
smoke nicotine. You shouldn't be doing that if you are
using marijuana.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
So how does marijuana impact the lungs or does it
impact the lungs differently from tobacco.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
Yeah, they both impact the lungs, right, because they're both
inhaled toxins into the bloodstream through the lungs. We don't
have a lot of direct evidence right now that it
directly causes the other things we know nicotine does, right,
Like we know smoking causes lung cancer and COPD. Right,
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we don't have a lot of direct evidence for that,
but I think of it like I think of nicotine.
I say, any time you're inhaling a chemical a toxin
into your lungs, you're increasing your risk because that's causing
more inflammation in your life. That can affect your ability
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for your lungs to function at its best, which could
mean you feel short of breath. That could mean that
you could develop asthma and things like that. So you
have to be aware that anytime you're putting a chemical
into your lungs, you're increasing the risk of long term
lung disease.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yes, it says smoking cannabis regardless of how a smoke
can be harmful to the lung tissues. It could cause
scarring and damage to the small blood vessels.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Yeah, And then they'll probably continue to do more studies
on the effects of marijuana now it's becoming more and
more prevalent. A lot of the studies that they will
do would be what we call sort of retrospective studies,
so when a person dies, they may then look back
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in medical records to say were their marijuana smoker and
then we gain more and more information about whether their.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Death was related to marijuana. We don't have that kind
of data like we do on smoking for marijuana.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Use what about the people that do like the edibles
and you know, they cook the marijuana, put it in stuff,
and they do it that way. Like some people say, oh, well,
I do it that way because it's a healthier way
of getting it in versus smoking it into my lungs. Right.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
So yeah, so if you're not smoking it into your lungs,
then right that the chemical isn't going directly into into
your lung tissue. But you still have the problem the
issue of the marijuana, the THC affecting your brain, your thinking.
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Any inflammatory, you will get the anti inflammatory properties, right because,
as I said, it can help pain, it can help inflammation,
but it's also can affect your cognition, your attention, you know,
impair your ability to move, you feel tired.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Some people say they're more creative.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
It helps them be creative, you know, it helps with stress.
All of a sudden, all of a sudden, you went silent.
Doc Michelle, I'm sorry, Nope, I still can't here. I'm
(25:43):
not sure what just happened. Just hold on for me
one second. I'm going to remove you and bring you
back in because all of a sudden, you went silent.
If you guys are tuned in, we are live on
Intellect Radio with doctor Michelle Meeks, and we're talking about
quit today, live tomorrow, what the Great American Smokeout means
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to your house?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Are you able to hear me?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Doc? Nope, I can't. I'm not sure what just happened
all of a sudden. Okay, all right, go ahead, all right,
she's gonna jump out and jump back in and see
if that's gonna rectify the issue again. We're talking about
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or encouraging individuals to quit smoking and to join in
on the National Smokeout that's taking place on November the twentieth,
and to let you know that you are not alone,
that there are resources and a support system out there
will help you stop smoking. Hey, Doc, I can't, nope?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Are you buy a phone to where you can call in,
but stay there on camera. I could give you the number,
let me know when you're ready. You're ready for the number,
it's seven oh eight two two three eight nine five three.
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We're gonna have Doc called in because she is giving
out some good information and letting you know just how
detrimental smoking is.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
To your health.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Okay, all right, doc, So we're talking about marijuana, and
you was talking about the effects on the lungs, the
effects on the brain, and then also the impact of
if you start smoking at a younger age as well.
Yeah I can hear you, yes, I can, very good.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
Yeah, so very you know. The main thing with marijuana is, yes,
it can affect your lungs. But I am concerned as
a doctor. I'm like I see younger and younger patients,
teenagers in high school who feel it's okay, right, at
least I'm not smoking nicotine. But we do know that
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it does affect brain, the brain development, you know, cognition.
We want to be sure that those things are not
going to have long term effects, right if you start
smoking young, because the brain is still developing up until
age twenty five, and we're adding in toxins to it,
and so everything in moderation for sure, because we know that,
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you know, marijuana does have some medicinal effects for people.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I just wonder how some people smoke every day.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
They smoke.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I know it's not funny, but I know people that
smoke it every day, and it's like, how are you
giving your body and your lungs a chance to clear
out function on its own or whatever your mind if
you're smoking it every day.
Speaker 8 (29:19):
Yeah, And I know of people who if they smoke
it every day, it's kind of like nicotine and it's
hard to get off of it. You still have that
addictive quality, right, And so it's a vicious cycle because
the more you're smoking, you're more tolerant to the effects
of it, and so it takes more of the marijuana
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to give you the same feeling, right, Because it's someone
who's never smoked, They might smoke one marijuana and feel
a big effect from it, right, But if you're continuously smoking,
then you become what we call tolerant, right, and so
it takes more to get the same effect.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
I'm always scared that.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I always say marijuana is the gateweight drug to other drugs, like,
because I feel like sometimes you're constantly chasing that first
high if that was the first drug that you use,
and it can it always kind of leaves you open
for other drugs or other substances.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
Yeah, I mean there's I don't I want I don't
want to say it's just a gateweight drug, but we
know that there are other things that will cause one
person to become addicted to drugs.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Right.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
Part of it is genetics, part of it is right,
their lives and other stressors. So yes, not as we
know not everyone who smokes marijuana is going to try
other drugs. But we also know that when it comes
to drug addiction, there may be some genetic predisposition to that, right,
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And so that's something to be aware of when I
take a history. Right, It's important to know because we
don't really talk about it. You know, is there anyone
in your family who's ever been addicted to drugs? I
ask that because it may increase your chances your risk
of you know, being having that sort of addictive I
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want to say personality, but that higher risk of becoming
addicted to drugs, right, Not because it is means that
you will become, but we always want to know that
whole family history story.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Now, moving on to vaping, and I'm not sure how
long vaping has been around, but it seems like more
and more younger kissed teenagers are turning to vaping because
they feel like it's a more healthier alternative than smoking
a cigarette.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
Yeah, smoking smoking cigarettes has gotten such a bad rap,
right that the younger people are turning to other things.
But with vaping, we're concerned about that too, because there's
nicotine that can be in the vaate pan, there's other
chemicals that can be in the vaatee pen that can
still cause inflammation in the lungs and so and the
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other part with vaping is because it's flavored, it appeals
to teenagers and younger kids, right, They make it appealing,
and so that's the other you know struggle is right.
None of it is good for your lungs because it
exposes you just to what you say it, right, not
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only the nicotine, but the other sort of preservatives and
things that they put in it to allow it to
be vaped into your into your lungs. And so you've
got to be aware of that. And the thing is,
because it's newer that we're talking about it, there's not
a lot of studies to say, no, you shouldn't do
this because it can lead to ABC like we do
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with nicotine, and we have bad and so the incidence
of new tobacco smokers over the years has gotten less
and less while more people are turning to vaping and
marijuana use.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yes, I was looking at some of the different devices
that they have out here that people could use. I know,
the e cigarette is one that it's a vape too
that people use and they feel like, oh, but you know,
it's electronic cigarette, so you know, you're not really you know,
getting a lot of the nicotine or inhales into your lungs.
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They feel like it's for some reason.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
It's more safer.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
But it says nearly one and five high school students
are using those e cigarettes thinking that, oh, I'm choosing
a healthier option.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
Yeah, and by the time we find out that information
that it's maybe not will be in the same place
we are with tobacco, right, because it takes time to
figure out what's going to cause, you know, issues in
the long term.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
And I thought about cigars too, because a lot of
people may not smoke cigarettes, but I know a lot
of guys and some women too, they love to smoke cigars.
I like to smell of it, but I'm not a
cigar smoker, but a lot of them will smoke the
cigars versus the cigarettes. And I think cigars smoke it's
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not something that you do every day, right, right, versus
like somebody who smokes cigarettes, but it's still nicotine.
Speaker 8 (35:00):
Is still it's still nicotine. And that's something to think
about for someone, Well, yeah, you're not smoking a cigar
every day, but do you have other medical conditions that
you probably shouldn't be smoking any nicotine?
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Right?
Speaker 8 (35:17):
If you have COPD or if you have any cancer, right,
because nicotine is what we call a carcinogen, which is
a cancer causing agent. And certainly if you have risks
of other diseases or you know, any sort of inflammatory condition,
multiple scleross has always comes to mind, then you don't
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want to expose your system to that at all, right,
even though it's intermittent.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
So how would someone know that they have this dependence
to nicotine? Right?
Speaker 8 (35:53):
So certain things we ask, Right, do you reach for
a cigarette first thing in the morning? Have you tried
to quit before and then and you haven't been able
to quit?
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Right?
Speaker 8 (36:06):
Those are some of the things we think about and.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
We ask.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
Because there's many tools now that we can use to
help people quit smoking. But yeah, if you exactly, if
you smoke within thirty minutes of waking up, you're reaching
for the cigarette when you try to quit, If you
feel genery, irritable, anything like that, you addicted. And then
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if you're giving up social activities right, because now you
can't smoke in bars, and you can't smoke in certain
places where you used to be, and you might think, well,
I don't want to go because I know that I'm
gonna want a cigarette. And yes, you can step outside
and all of that, but those are telltale signs that
you're addicted when you're changing your behavior your activities so
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that you're able to smoke. And then we haven't even
talked yet about the things that we can do to
help people quit smoking, right, lots of things we have
from you know, nicotine gum and things like that. So
what I normally will do when I counsel patients to
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quit is, first of all, think about a couple of things.
Why you smoke when you smoke, right, so we can
think about what are we going to do differently, right,
and how can we help you give you the tools
to quit smoking?
Speaker 6 (37:34):
Right?
Speaker 8 (37:34):
So think about why you're doing it and why you
want to quit, because that's going to be your motivation
when you really want to smoke again. Right, maybe it's
to play with the grandkids and be around and or
you know, your daughter says you can't come around the
grandkids because you smoke. Then you're like, well, I'm gonna
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not try to not smoke. That's a good reason because
you want to be with the grandchildren. So think about
your why, and then think about right, think about when
you smoke so that you have a plan, because if
you smoke when you're in the car on the way
home from work, that's not changing. You always got to
(38:17):
go home, right, But what helps people is actually a
couple of things. Changing the route that you go home,
because the brain is a wonderful organ. You pass the street,
the gas station, your brain says it's time I need
that cigarette. But if you change your routine that helps.
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Also having something tactile in your hands, so maybe twirling
a pencil, a straw that you can just pull and
drag on, just to have that habit as you're quitting
the nicotine, at least you still have something in your
hands that can help people as well. And then having
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a friends to call as well that can help you
through all of it helps you quit. And as you
say here, right the minute you start quitting smoking, you
add years to your life. Right, It doesn't matter how
long you smoke. You could have smoked twenty years, we
(39:21):
don't care. The minute you start quitting and you quit,
it reduces your risk of an early death and adds
years to your life, not only years, but quality years.
Right now, you're not having to deal with all those
effects from COPD and having heart disease and all of that,
and those are the things that you know when we're
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talking about prevention, we're preventing that. Right, even though you
have heart disease or COPD, you still improve when you
quit and improve your prognosis if you have can right.
That's why we talked earlier we said, if you have
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cancer or you have a high risk of cancer, don't
even start smoking, right, don't or really work to quit.
We've got medications that can help people quit smoking. We've
got lots of nicotine replacements, options, patches, nicotine patches, nicotine gum. Right,
(40:25):
that's the replacement, and then the medications that decrease the
craving for nicotine. Right, wellbutrin chantics there's different ones that
can decrease your craving for the nicotine, and so both
things together, if we do nicotine replacement plus medication that
can really help someone be successful as they quit. And
(40:48):
also if you're trying to quit and then you have
one cigarette, you know, forgive yourself get back on the
horse and keep at it, right because most people who
quit it long term relax in the short terms, but
get back on, you know, and keep striving for that.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
I know you always talk about this, like with food,
and like I think someone I don't know if it
was you, as someone else said they used to drink
maybe it was like coca pepsi and they drink so
many a day and then they just started cutting it
down to like maybe one or two a day. You know,
you're still getting that fixed, but you're just not getting it.
You know, you're not over indulging in it. And then
(41:32):
it's just a way of you know, like cutting down
your taste for you're craving for it. It's to just
if you can't do it cold turkey, just to kind
of decrease it. The moderation of how how much you
intake it into your body.
Speaker 8 (41:48):
Yeah, we usually will say some people can quit cold turkey,
some people can't. So I will usually ask them which
is the easiest cigarette for you to give up. Let's
give it that one up first, right, So we have
some small wins, right, and they can usually tell Okay, yeah,
I don't really need that cigarette, it's just habit or whatever.
(42:11):
So we work on that giving up the easiest ones first.
There's even apps that can help people, right. So if
you usually smoke eight cigarettes and you're going to go
to four, the app will remind you when you have
already said these are the times that I'm going to
(42:32):
allow myself to smoke, so that if you try to
smoke earlier, it'll remind you that, No, if you wait
another hour, you can have that cigarette. But it's self
motivating behavior, right, You've got to stick with it on
your own. But there's lots of ways that can really
really support people in quitting. No one, No one should
(42:55):
be smoking cigarettes every day because we have lots of
great two and supports to help people, peer supports people
who have quit already. They have peer lines that can
help people, you know, motivate each other, lots of support
one eight hundred Quit Now can connect people with those resources.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
That was one of the things that you touched on earlier,
was the support system that would help you to resist
the cravings a lot of times. You know, it's just
like working out. Sometimes people can't do it by themselves.
They do much better when they have a partner, someone
to hold you accountable.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Girl, I want to have a cigarette.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
I'm calling you because this is the time that I
normally with smoke, So I don't want to have to smoke,
you know, And you use those people to help you,
to help you quit if that's what you need to
do to hold you accountable.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
No, you don't need that cigarette.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
You put the cigarette down, do something else, Like you said,
exercise would be a good thing to do.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
They have these different games and stuff that you can play.
I think rather be addicted to, like the little games
on the phone versus a cigarette. You know, you can
still move in your hand. There's something in your hand
that you're moving. It can help stimulate your brain as well,
like different things.
Speaker 8 (44:11):
Really, all those things really do help because if you
can redirect your thoughts to something else, that's the thought about.
If you call someone on the phone, right, you're now
not thinking about the cigarette. You're thinking about having that conversation.
They can remind you while you decided to go on
that journey. Same thing with you know, the games on
your phone. Your hands are busy, your brain is busy.
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Chew gum. You'll see smokers who are trying to quit,
they'll chew gum because that's the oral fixation part of
it as well. So again, so many tools and having
a support system. It's key. You can't do it on
your own. It's so it's hard, it's addicting. We wouldn't
tell someone who is addicted to heroin or cocaine and
just you know, just will yourself and you can do it. Right,
(44:58):
We connect them with all all sorts of resources, right, counselors, therapists, medications,
all of that to help them quit. And so the
same thing goes with tobacco and nicotine.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
So give us some words of wisdom, Doc Michelle, I
know you've already gave them some gems on what to
do and how to do it, and let them know
that they're not alone. If someone wanted to quit today,
they have it in their mind that they want to
quit today. Can you give some words of wisdom on
just quit today, live tomorrow.
Speaker 8 (45:33):
Yes, yes, so important. So if you're out there and
you're listening, you might be the smoker, or you know
someone who is a smoker. Right, if you're that support system,
go and talk to them about what you heard today.
You know why it's so important for them to quit,
for the better quality of life, to be able to breathe,
to save money, to you know, hang out with their family,
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you know, and feel better. Because people who quit also
will tell you how much better they feel, how much
easier they're breathing, and not only that, how much money
they saved. So you know, if that's you, you know,
really be a support for that person. And if you're
out there and you are a smoker and you've smoked
(46:17):
for years and you've tried, and you've tried, try again.
We have lots of resources. Talk to your provider about
all the options available to you. And make a plan.
That is the most important part. Make a plan. Pick
your quit day. Some people pick a birthday or some
important day to them. Pick a quit day. Have a plan.
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Tell one or two good friends that you are going
to that they're going to be your person. That if
I'm feeling like I need to pick up that cigarette,
I might call you talk me down for five minutes.
And those things really can help people become successful with quitting,
because that is how all as we said, right, if
you quit now, you can really begin to live and
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feel better and have a good long quality of life.
It's never too late to start.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Thank you so much, Doc. How can listeners stay connected
to you?
Speaker 8 (47:20):
Yeah, they can find me on Facebook at Doc Michelle.
They can find me through your show as well. If
they ever need someone to do some health and wellness
talks or anything like that, that can always reach out
to me virtually.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Thanks again, Doc, I appreciate you educating us every single
month and I hope that I hope that they were
listening today and they commit to quit.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Remember you're not alone. Thanks Doc.
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single day, Doctor Michelle Meek's, MD, What's up Dot?
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Hello? Hello? How are you today?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I'm good, I'm good. Excited about this conversation.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
I am because we're getting to the holidays and then
in January, people are going to be making resolutions and
trying to take advantage and take care of their health.
So I thought it was a good time to start
to talk about it as the Americans Smokeout is coming
this Thursday, and just it's a reason for us to
talk about it and to talk about the benefits of
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not smoking.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Absolutely now, I often talked about my dad, who was
a smoker since he was fifteen, and he ended up
passing away from lung cancer at the age of seventy one.
And I can remember my mom when my brothers were little,
and the doctors told him that they saw a spot
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on his lung and that he needed to stop smoking,
and I can remember him trying to take steps to
stop smoking, but it wasn't successful. He ended up years later,
I want to say more than twenty thirty years later,
he ended up getting lung cancer and passing away as
a result of that. So I feel like this conversation
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can help save someone's life and encourage them to quit today.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
Yes, thank you for sharing that, because I know that
we all know someone who smokes, and we probably all
know someone who has been affected by smoking, either cancer
or other respiratory illnesses, or even there are other cancers
that can be linked to smoking. My husband's mother had
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pancreatic and colon cancer, which you know puts you at
higher risk.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
For cancers, not only lung cancer.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Wow, So one in five deaths in the US is
related to smoking. So today let's talk about the truth
about smoking and how it affects or damaged the body.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
Yes, thank you, because smoking really affects all systems of
the bodies. Right, so even beyond what we think about,
right we're smoking it. It's going to our lungs. We
not that it's causing inflammation there. It also affects other
parts of the body, like your brain. It can affect
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blood flow because one of the main things that nicotine
does is it increases inflammation, inflammation in the blood vessels,
in our organs, and so part of that inflammation is
increasing your risk for strokes, increasing your risk for blood
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pressure issues because of that, even give you headaches. All
of that can be related to small Okay, And I think.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Some people take the nicotine for granted, thinking that, oh,
you know, it's just a cigarette, it's not as bad
as if you were to maybe do some.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Cocaine or do some heroin.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
But like, no, nicotine is addictive, yes, And that's the thing.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
Because it's legal, we think, well, it must be okay.
Right now, it's probably never gonna get banned, right, even
though we know it is linked to all of these things.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Right, And so for many years, you know, even now
now you.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
Don't see as many or you don't really see any
cigarette commercials.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
Right. We remember growing up when.
Speaker 7 (06:46):
There was cigarette commercials on the TV, you know, the
Marlborough Man and all of that. And so now because
we know more about it, they aren't promoting it.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
But what about the people who are already addicted? Right?
How do we help them? Because it's so hard to quit.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
It's not only the addiction to nicotine, it's the addiction
to the habit of smoking. I smoke when I'm on
the phone, I smoke when I'm in my car. And
that's very it's a very bed or a very strong
habit to break because you still have to do those
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things even when you quit smoking, right, You're still going
to talk on the phone, you still have to take
the car home.
Speaker 6 (07:35):
And all of that.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
And so how do those how do you deal with
those triggers that are going to be there for life?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Absolutely, I can remember my dad, as soon as he
woke up, it's like, I gotta have a cigarette, even
when he was going through and this is probably bad,
going through treatment for lung cancer. It was like, I
know that I should not be smoking, but it was
still hard for him to put the cigarette down. And
(08:05):
I'm just like, oh, my goodness, like and I have
to just keep reminding myself that it is an addictive thing.
It's an addictive substance. And I really think people take
it lightly because it is legal and you can get it,
and at one point they were glorifying it with the
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TV ads and everything, making it look cool to smoke.
When you're out, you got to drink and you have
the cigarette in your hand, and supposedly it looks sexy.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
And so.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Kids today probably still think that it's cool to do it.
They just find what they would call healthier waist to
get that nicotine right right.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
Yeah. And the thing again is that because it affects
all parts of the body, even simple things like having
heartburn or acid reflux or developing ulcers can come from nicotine,
and we don't think about that when we think about smoking.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
And so.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
Even even though it's not glorified, as we were saying,
people are already addicted. Some kids right are also They
may not be choosing to smoke cigarettes, but they may
be thinking, Okay, if I vape, that's healthier, or if
I smoke marijuana, that's healthier. And we know that those
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things also have their issues, which we'll talk about. But
for sure, even with vaping, there's nicotine in there. There's
other chemicals in there as well that can affect people's health,
and so we don't in the medical community, we never
say that vaping is going to be safer than smoking
a cigarette.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Right.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
It all has nicotine or other chemicals, and it all
can being inhaled into your lungs, which then causes inflammation,
causes different changes to your cells which could increase your
risk of not just cancer, but you know, copd, asthma,
those things as well.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So before we dive into the marijuana and the vaping,
I wanted to really quickly talk about what smoking does
to the skin and how it ages the skin, yes.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Right, and something we you know, want to think about
so we can age gracefully, because nicotine decreases the collagen
in your skin and it can increase your the wrinkles
in your skin, and so we and it also because
of the inflammation in the skin changes how the skin looks.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Right, Not only is it.
Speaker 7 (10:52):
Changing the collagen in your skin, we can see that
the skin looks thicker, we call it leathery. There's also
different skin spots that you can see with smokers as well.
And so when we think about other things that we
want to address or have a good quality of life,
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if you want to age gracefully, think about that too, right,
how it's changing your skin.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Yeah, they talked about the teeth.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
They talk about the breath, like you can tell like
the smoker's breath.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
It's like the real turn off.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And not to mention that your clothes and everywhere you
go you smell like smoke. And I think the people
that smoke, they so used to it, they don't really
smell it, but it's like it is.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
It's a big turn off.
Speaker 7 (11:43):
And actually, and for people who are around smokers, secondhand
smoke also increases your risk of cancer. Right, there's some
thought that actually just being around secondhand smoke a lot
really increases your risk for lung cancer. And so we
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think about that when we think about our children.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Right, they may not be.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Smoking, but if we are smoking around them, it's you know,
damaging their health as well.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
That was one of the fears that my mom had
because she was around my dad for so many years
and he smoked, that she was afraid that, oh my goodness,
you know, like I could probably get lung cancer too,
because when he was smoking, like a lot of the
times she was smoking in the house, in the car,
and like she was there.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
So that was one of her fears.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
When he passed, she ended up like going to get
her lungs checked out because she was kind of nervous
that that may be her because she had been with
him for so long. They was married at fifty three
years and the whole time he was smoking.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
So yeah, yeah, something to be aware of. And I'm
glad that she thought about it and got checked out.
One of the things we do for smokers and those
even who have quit smoking but we're smokers for a
long time, we recommend a CT scan. It's sort of
a lung screening test if you have been a smoker
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or if you are a smoker, so you can talk
to your doctor about whether you qualify for that lung
scan that can look for early signs of cancer, depending
on your history. Right, it's not for everybody, but it
depends on how long you've been smoking and how long
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you've quit smoking.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
So, did you know that smoking is still the leading
cause of preventable depths in the United States, and over
four hundred and eighty thousand Americans die every year because
of smoking. And that includes that second hand smoke. That's
not a lot of people.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
That's a lot of people, and that's cancer, that's heart disease,
you know, that's other lung issues like COPD, and so
when you put all that together, it's all related to smoking.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
And yeah, that's how they get those numbers.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
And so you talked about the cancers that people are
susceptible to because they are smoking. Along with the other diseases,
it weakens your immune system and makes it harder to
fight infections or disease.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
Min Yes, we talk a lot about, you know, keeping
your immune system healthy so that you can fight infections.
And because of the toxicity of nicotine and the inflammatory
process that it puts yourselves through.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
It really does weaken your immune system. Right, you're more.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
Likely to get those other things we hear about people
with bronchitis. They're always coughing up phlam and stuff like that.
Because also a their immune system is weakened, they're more
at risk for certain types of pneumonias.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
It's really multifactorial.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And so we really want to talk about the marijuana
because I feel like, I don't know, it seems like lately,
but then over the last ten years, I feel like
more and more people I know I smoke in marijuana.
I want to say one in two people. Yes, I'm
(15:33):
so serious, smoke marijuana just about everybody I know.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
And I'm just like, wow, like when did this happen?
Speaker 6 (15:43):
Right?
Speaker 7 (15:43):
And I believe and I haven't looked at numbers, but
as the number of new tobacco smokers decreased, I wonder
if the number of marijuana users increased because we thought
it's safer for us, right, And we don't have right
(16:04):
now a direct link between marijuana and lung cancer, but
we know that it also has its bad effects, although
it has some good things too, right, because we use
it for chronic pain or inflammatory conditions and things like that.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
So people think marijuana is safe because you say, oh,
it comes from the earth, like God created it. It's natural,
you know, But like they say, smoke is still smoke
and you inhaling it and your lungs. So what would
you say, Oh, what should people understand about smoking marijuana?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
What are we missing?
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Right?
Speaker 7 (16:50):
So, there's an immediate impact when you smoke marijuana, right,
First of all, it can affect your thinking, attention, you know, coordination,
all of that. It has some long term effects as well.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Right. We know that teenagers, for one thing.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
They will smoke marijuana and not smoke tobacco more than
they will you know, they'll smoke marijuana instead of tobacco.
And we know that when you smoke marijuana, it can
affect the brain's growth. It can affect you know, how
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well you're able to think, your cognition, all of that,
and not just in the immediate like I said, sometimes
it'll affect your attention and so forth. It can have
long term effects on your cognitive ability. And especially because
the brain is still growing and maturing up until age
twenty five. So anytime you're in introducing a chemical into
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your brain, into your system, there's a risk of those
those effects, right, not only in the short term but
in the long term. But we do know a lot
about marijuana. Cannabis you know that can be helpful for
people as well, because on some levels it relaxes people,
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It can act a little it can decrease a little
bit of that inflammation in the body.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
A lot of patients with chronic.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
Medical conditions use it for medical purposes, right, And we
know that there's a whole list of medical diseases that
prescribers can prescribe medical marijuana to treat in certain cases,
in certain doses. Right, we try to say, don't overuse it.
(18:53):
Use it when you need to write for chronic pain,
for people who have multiple sclerosis, for any sort of
joint inflammatory conditions. People have found it to be very helpful,
and so we have to balance that positive with the
possible bad effects from overuse, from overusing in younger populations
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when the brain is still developing, and then also for
women who could be pregnant. We don't want to smoke
either tobacco or marijuana doing pregnancy.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I feel like since in our work right now, in
probation and so, you know, we do drug tests and stuff,
and one of the questions come up we asked about
drug use and they'll say, oh, yeah, I don't do drugs,
And I'm like, well, are you using anything and they go, oh, marijuana.
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I'm like, marijuana is a drug.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Oh, it's lead. I'm like, it's still a drug, right, and.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
It's legal in some states but not all states exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's still a drug even though. And I feel like
a lot of people was running to get the marijuana
card so that they can be able to smoke it
legally and not you know, be take like a violation
for it because they like, well, I smoke it every day,
like it's something it's you know, I could stop if
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I wanted to, Like, if I wanted to quit, I
could quit, but it's something that I do every single day.
And I'm like, it's still a drug.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
Yeah, yeah, and yeah, people like I said, it's it's
it's a fine line because it does work from a
medicinal purpose for medical conditions, right, But just like with alcohol,
because it can impair your attention, your cognition, your ability
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to think.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Sometimes clearly, you shouldn't be driving.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
While high, right.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Right, and people probably do that.
Speaker 7 (21:10):
I'm sorry to left, but it happens, right, and you
can get a ticket if you're a stop.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
And you know you're driving wile while high.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Why So it's the same thing I feel like they're intoxicated.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yes, I feel like they're more comfortable with it. But yes,
you can't get a dui. And the duy doesn't necessarily
mean that you know you're driving while under the influence
of alcohol. It means that you're under the influence of something.
And so yes, I think people have the wrong perception that, oh, yeah,
it's legal. So I gult smoking gear, just like you
can't drink and drive, or you shouldn't be drinking and
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driving because your judgment can become impaired and other people
and yourself can get hurt in the process.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
That's right. That's right.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
So that's something to think about because that's different than
smoking cigarettes. You can drive and smoke tobacco, right, and
smoke nicotine. You shouldn't be doing that if you are
using marijuana.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
So how does marijuana impact the lungs or does it
impact the lungs differently from tobacco.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
Yeah, they both impact the lungs, right, because they're both
inhaled toxins into the bloodstream through the lungs. We don't
have a lot of direct evidence right now that it
directly causes the other things we know nicotine does, right,
Like we know smoking causes lung cancer and COPD. Right,
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we don't have a lot of direct evidence for that,
but I think of it like I think of nicotine.
I say, any time you're inhaling a chemical a toxin
into your lungs, you're increasing your risk because that's causing
more inflammation in your life. That can affect your ability
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for your lungs to function at its best, which could
mean you feel short of breath. That could mean that
you could develop asthma and things like that. So you
have to be aware that anytime you're putting a chemical
into your lungs, you're increasing the risk of long term
lung disease.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yes, it says smoking cannabis regardless of how a smoke
can be harmful to the lung tissues. It could cause
scarring and damage to the small blood vessels.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Yeah, And then they'll probably continue to do more studies
on the effects of marijuana now it's becoming more and
more prevalent. A lot of the studies that they will
do would be what we call sort of retrospective studies,
so when a person dies, they may then look back
(23:58):
in medical records to say were their marijuana smoker and
then we gain more and more information about whether their.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Death was related to marijuana. We don't have that kind
of data like we do on smoking for marijuana.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Use what about the people that do like the edibles
and you know, they cook the marijuana, put it in stuff,
and they do it that way. Like some people say, oh, well,
I do it that way because it's a healthier way
of getting it in versus smoking it into my lungs. Right.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
So yeah, so if you're not smoking it into your lungs,
then right that the chemical isn't going directly into into
your lung tissue. But you still have the problem the
issue of the marijuana, the THC affecting your brain, your thinking.
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Any inflammatory, you will get the anti inflammatory properties, right because,
as I said, it can help pain, it can help inflammation,
but it's also can affect your cognition, your attention, you know,
impair your ability to move, you feel tired.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Some people say they're more creative.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
It helps them be creative, you know, it helps with stress.
All of a sudden, all of a sudden, you went silent.
Doc Michelle, I'm sorry, Nope, I still can't here. I'm
(25:43):
not sure what just happened. Just hold on for me
one second. I'm going to remove you and bring you
back in because all of a sudden, you went silent.
If you guys are tuned in, we are live on
Intellect Radio with doctor Michelle Meeks, and we're talking about
quit today, live tomorrow, what the Great American Smokeout means
(26:08):
to your house?
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Are you able to hear me?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Doc? Nope, I can't. I'm not sure what just happened
all of a sudden. Okay, all right, go ahead, all right,
she's gonna jump out and jump back in and see
if that's gonna rectify the issue again. We're talking about
(26:33):
or encouraging individuals to quit smoking and to join in
on the National Smokeout that's taking place on November the twentieth,
and to let you know that you are not alone,
that there are resources and a support system out there
will help you stop smoking. Hey, Doc, I can't, nope?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Are you buy a phone to where you can call in,
but stay there on camera. I could give you the number,
let me know when you're ready. You're ready for the number,
it's seven oh eight two two three eight nine five three.
(27:24):
We're gonna have Doc called in because she is giving
out some good information and letting you know just how
detrimental smoking is.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
To your health.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Okay, all right, doc, So we're talking about marijuana, and
you was talking about the effects on the lungs, the
effects on the brain, and then also the impact of
if you start smoking at a younger age as well.
Yeah I can hear you, yes, I can, very good.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
Yeah, so very you know. The main thing with marijuana is, yes,
it can affect your lungs. But I am concerned as
a doctor. I'm like I see younger and younger patients,
teenagers in high school who feel it's okay, right, at
least I'm not smoking nicotine. But we do know that
(28:23):
it does affect brain, the brain development, you know, cognition.
We want to be sure that those things are not
going to have long term effects, right if you start
smoking young, because the brain is still developing up until
age twenty five, and we're adding in toxins to it,
and so everything in moderation for sure, because we know that,
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you know, marijuana does have some medicinal effects for people.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I just wonder how some people smoke every day.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
They smoke.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I know it's not funny, but I know people that
smoke it every day, and it's like, how are you
giving your body and your lungs a chance to clear
out function on its own or whatever your mind if
you're smoking it every day.
Speaker 8 (29:19):
Yeah, And I know of people who if they smoke
it every day, it's kind of like nicotine and it's
hard to get off of it. You still have that
addictive quality, right, And so it's a vicious cycle because
the more you're smoking, you're more tolerant to the effects
of it, and so it takes more of the marijuana
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to give you the same feeling, right, Because it's someone
who's never smoked, They might smoke one marijuana and feel
a big effect from it, right, But if you're continuously smoking,
then you become what we call tolerant, right, and so
it takes more to get the same effect.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
I'm always scared that.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I always say marijuana is the gateweight drug to other drugs, like,
because I feel like sometimes you're constantly chasing that first
high if that was the first drug that you use,
and it can it always kind of leaves you open
for other drugs or other substances.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
Yeah, I mean there's I don't I want I don't
want to say it's just a gateweight drug, but we
know that there are other things that will cause one
person to become addicted to drugs.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
Right.
Speaker 8 (30:44):
Part of it is genetics, part of it is right,
their lives and other stressors. So yes, not as we
know not everyone who smokes marijuana is going to try
other drugs. But we also know that when it comes
to drug addiction, there may be some genetic predisposition to that, right,
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And so that's something to be aware of when I
take a history. Right, It's important to know because we
don't really talk about it. You know, is there anyone
in your family who's ever been addicted to drugs? I
ask that because it may increase your chances your risk
of you know, being having that sort of addictive I
(31:33):
want to say personality, but that higher risk of becoming
addicted to drugs, right, Not because it is means that
you will become, but we always want to know that
whole family history story.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Now, moving on to vaping, and I'm not sure how
long vaping has been around, but it seems like more
and more younger kissed teenagers are turning to vaping because
they feel like it's a more healthier alternative than smoking
a cigarette.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
Yeah, smoking smoking cigarettes has gotten such a bad rap,
right that the younger people are turning to other things.
But with vaping, we're concerned about that too, because there's
nicotine that can be in the vaate pan, there's other
chemicals that can be in the vaatee pen that can
still cause inflammation in the lungs and so and the
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other part with vaping is because it's flavored, it appeals
to teenagers and younger kids, right, They make it appealing,
and so that's the other you know struggle is right.
None of it is good for your lungs because it
exposes you just to what you say it, right, not
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only the nicotine, but the other sort of preservatives and
things that they put in it to allow it to
be vaped into your into your lungs. And so you've
got to be aware of that. And the thing is,
because it's newer that we're talking about it, there's not
a lot of studies to say, no, you shouldn't do
this because it can lead to ABC like we do
(33:11):
with nicotine, and we have bad and so the incidence
of new tobacco smokers over the years has gotten less
and less while more people are turning to vaping and
marijuana use.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yes, I was looking at some of the different devices
that they have out here that people could use. I know,
the e cigarette is one that it's a vape too
that people use and they feel like, oh, but you know,
it's electronic cigarette, so you know, you're not really you know,
getting a lot of the nicotine or inhales into your lungs.
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They feel like it's for some reason.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
It's more safer.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
But it says nearly one and five high school students
are using those e cigarettes thinking that, oh, I'm choosing
a healthier option.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
Yeah, and by the time we find out that information
that it's maybe not will be in the same place
we are with tobacco, right, because it takes time to
figure out what's going to cause, you know, issues in
the long term.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
And I thought about cigars too, because a lot of
people may not smoke cigarettes, but I know a lot
of guys and some women too, they love to smoke cigars.
I like to smell of it, but I'm not a
cigar smoker, but a lot of them will smoke the
cigars versus the cigarettes. And I think cigars smoke it's
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not something that you do every day, right, right, versus
like somebody who smokes cigarettes, but it's still nicotine.
Speaker 8 (35:00):
Is still it's still nicotine. And that's something to think
about for someone, Well, yeah, you're not smoking a cigar
every day, but do you have other medical conditions that
you probably shouldn't be smoking any nicotine?
Speaker 4 (35:16):
Right?
Speaker 8 (35:17):
If you have COPD or if you have any cancer, right,
because nicotine is what we call a carcinogen, which is
a cancer causing agent. And certainly if you have risks
of other diseases or you know, any sort of inflammatory condition,
multiple scleross has always comes to mind, then you don't
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want to expose your system to that at all, right,
even though it's intermittent.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
So how would someone know that they have this dependence
to nicotine? Right?
Speaker 8 (35:53):
So certain things we ask, Right, do you reach for
a cigarette first thing in the morning? Have you tried
to quit before and then and you haven't been able
to quit?
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Right?
Speaker 8 (36:06):
Those are some of the things we think about and.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
We ask.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
Because there's many tools now that we can use to
help people quit smoking. But yeah, if you exactly, if
you smoke within thirty minutes of waking up, you're reaching
for the cigarette when you try to quit, If you
feel genery, irritable, anything like that, you addicted. And then
(36:32):
if you're giving up social activities right, because now you
can't smoke in bars, and you can't smoke in certain
places where you used to be, and you might think, well,
I don't want to go because I know that I'm
gonna want a cigarette. And yes, you can step outside
and all of that, but those are telltale signs that
you're addicted when you're changing your behavior your activities so
(36:56):
that you're able to smoke. And then we haven't even
talked yet about the things that we can do to
help people quit smoking, right, lots of things we have
from you know, nicotine gum and things like that. So
what I normally will do when I counsel patients to
(37:17):
quit is, first of all, think about a couple of things.
Why you smoke when you smoke, right, so we can
think about what are we going to do differently, right,
and how can we help you give you the tools
to quit smoking?
Speaker 6 (37:34):
Right?
Speaker 8 (37:34):
So think about why you're doing it and why you
want to quit, because that's going to be your motivation
when you really want to smoke again. Right, maybe it's
to play with the grandkids and be around and or
you know, your daughter says you can't come around the
grandkids because you smoke. Then you're like, well, I'm gonna
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not try to not smoke. That's a good reason because
you want to be with the grandchildren. So think about
your why, and then think about right, think about when
you smoke so that you have a plan, because if
you smoke when you're in the car on the way
home from work, that's not changing. You always got to
(38:17):
go home, right, But what helps people is actually a
couple of things. Changing the route that you go home,
because the brain is a wonderful organ. You pass the street,
the gas station, your brain says it's time I need
that cigarette. But if you change your routine that helps.
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Also having something tactile in your hands, so maybe twirling
a pencil, a straw that you can just pull and
drag on, just to have that habit as you're quitting
the nicotine, at least you still have something in your
hands that can help people as well. And then having
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a friends to call as well that can help you
through all of it helps you quit. And as you
say here, right the minute you start quitting smoking, you
add years to your life. Right, It doesn't matter how
long you smoke. You could have smoked twenty years, we
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don't care. The minute you start quitting and you quit,
it reduces your risk of an early death and adds
years to your life, not only years, but quality years.
Right now, you're not having to deal with all those
effects from COPD and having heart disease and all of that,
and those are the things that you know when we're
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talking about prevention, we're preventing that. Right, even though you
have heart disease or COPD, you still improve when you
quit and improve your prognosis if you have can right.
That's why we talked earlier we said, if you have
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cancer or you have a high risk of cancer, don't
even start smoking, right, don't or really work to quit.
We've got medications that can help people quit smoking. We've
got lots of nicotine replacements, options, patches, nicotine patches, nicotine gum. Right,
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that's the replacement, and then the medications that decrease the
craving for nicotine. Right, wellbutrin chantics there's different ones that
can decrease your craving for the nicotine, and so both
things together, if we do nicotine replacement plus medication that
can really help someone be successful as they quit. And
(40:48):
also if you're trying to quit and then you have
one cigarette, you know, forgive yourself get back on the
horse and keep at it, right because most people who
quit it long term relax in the short terms, but
get back on, you know, and keep striving for that.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
I know you always talk about this, like with food,
and like I think someone I don't know if it
was you, as someone else said they used to drink
maybe it was like coca pepsi and they drink so
many a day and then they just started cutting it
down to like maybe one or two a day. You know,
you're still getting that fixed, but you're just not getting it.
You know, you're not over indulging in it. And then
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it's just a way of you know, like cutting down
your taste for you're craving for it. It's to just
if you can't do it cold turkey, just to kind
of decrease it. The moderation of how how much you
intake it into your body.
Speaker 8 (41:48):
Yeah, we usually will say some people can quit cold turkey,
some people can't. So I will usually ask them which
is the easiest cigarette for you to give up. Let's
give it that one up first, right, So we have
some small wins, right, and they can usually tell Okay, yeah,
I don't really need that cigarette, it's just habit or whatever.
(42:11):
So we work on that giving up the easiest ones first.
There's even apps that can help people, right. So if
you usually smoke eight cigarettes and you're going to go
to four, the app will remind you when you have
already said these are the times that I'm going to
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allow myself to smoke, so that if you try to
smoke earlier, it'll remind you that, No, if you wait
another hour, you can have that cigarette. But it's self
motivating behavior, right, You've got to stick with it on
your own. But there's lots of ways that can really
really support people in quitting. No one, No one should
(42:55):
be smoking cigarettes every day because we have lots of
great two and supports to help people, peer supports people
who have quit already. They have peer lines that can
help people, you know, motivate each other, lots of support
one eight hundred Quit Now can connect people with those resources.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
That was one of the things that you touched on earlier,
was the support system that would help you to resist
the cravings a lot of times. You know, it's just
like working out. Sometimes people can't do it by themselves.
They do much better when they have a partner, someone
to hold you accountable.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Girl, I want to have a cigarette.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
I'm calling you because this is the time that I
normally with smoke, So I don't want to have to smoke,
you know, And you use those people to help you,
to help you quit if that's what you need to
do to hold you accountable.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
No, you don't need that cigarette.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
You put the cigarette down, do something else, Like you said,
exercise would be a good thing to do.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
They have these different games and stuff that you can play.
I think rather be addicted to, like the little games
on the phone versus a cigarette. You know, you can
still move in your hand. There's something in your hand
that you're moving. It can help stimulate your brain as well,
like different things.
Speaker 8 (44:11):
Really, all those things really do help because if you
can redirect your thoughts to something else, that's the thought about.
If you call someone on the phone, right, you're now
not thinking about the cigarette. You're thinking about having that conversation.
They can remind you while you decided to go on
that journey. Same thing with you know, the games on
your phone. Your hands are busy, your brain is busy.
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Chew gum. You'll see smokers who are trying to quit,
they'll chew gum because that's the oral fixation part of
it as well. So again, so many tools and having
a support system. It's key. You can't do it on
your own. It's so it's hard, it's addicting. We wouldn't
tell someone who is addicted to heroin or cocaine and
just you know, just will yourself and you can do it. Right,
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We connect them with all all sorts of resources, right, counselors, therapists, medications,
all of that to help them quit. And so the
same thing goes with tobacco and nicotine.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
So give us some words of wisdom, Doc Michelle, I
know you've already gave them some gems on what to
do and how to do it, and let them know
that they're not alone. If someone wanted to quit today,
they have it in their mind that they want to
quit today. Can you give some words of wisdom on
just quit today, live tomorrow.
Speaker 8 (45:33):
Yes, yes, so important. So if you're out there and
you're listening, you might be the smoker, or you know
someone who is a smoker. Right, if you're that support system,
go and talk to them about what you heard today.
You know why it's so important for them to quit,
for the better quality of life, to be able to breathe,
to save money, to you know, hang out with their family,
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you know, and feel better. Because people who quit also
will tell you how much better they feel, how much
easier they're breathing, and not only that, how much money
they saved. So you know, if that's you, you know,
really be a support for that person. And if you're
out there and you are a smoker and you've smoked
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for years and you've tried, and you've tried, try again.
We have lots of resources. Talk to your provider about
all the options available to you. And make a plan.
That is the most important part. Make a plan. Pick
your quit day. Some people pick a birthday or some
important day to them. Pick a quit day. Have a plan.
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Tell one or two good friends that you are going
to that they're going to be your person. That if
I'm feeling like I need to pick up that cigarette,
I might call you talk me down for five minutes.
And those things really can help people become successful with quitting,
because that is how all as we said, right, if
you quit now, you can really begin to live and
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feel better and have a good long quality of life.
It's never too late to start.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Thank you so much, Doc. How can listeners stay connected
to you?
Speaker 8 (47:20):
Yeah, they can find me on Facebook at Doc Michelle.
They can find me through your show as well. If
they ever need someone to do some health and wellness
talks or anything like that, that can always reach out
to me virtually.
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Thanks again, Doc, I appreciate you educating us every single
month and I hope that I hope that they were
listening today and they commit to quit.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Remember you're not alone. Thanks Doc.
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Don't go anywhere.
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empowering journey. You can reach out to me via email
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my journal for those who are going through a cancer battle.
I have a take Charge of Cancer Journal for healing,
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this is a journal for you to just write down
everything that you're going through. It would help you to
relieve stress. It gives you ten tips on how to
take charge of cancer, and I will leave you with
these words of wisdom. Small steps every day becomes big
wins over time. Join me next Monday right here on
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Intellectual Radio at six pm. As always, think you for
tuning in to Warriors Talk with author and founder Lady Rochelle,
where we are changing lives one warrior at a time.
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