3I Atlas Conspiracy Podcast | Angels Vs Demons & UFOs - Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
True standing time, spring time up, yelling glory to the
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hello and welcome back to Investigator Podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
I'm your host Chad alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. On
tonight's episode, we got two huge topics, one from the
heavens above and one from the spiritual world within. Herbert's
Abbie Lobe just dropped new details on three iatls, the
interstellar object that continues to defy explanation, no common gases,
no visible tell any strange ford glow that has scientists
question if it's natural or something else entirely, and then

(00:58):
we should have gears into the unseen, real angels and demons.
What does the Bible really say about these forces and
how they move among us today? Are we witnessing spiritual
battles playing out on Earth right now? And how may
that be connected to UFOs, aliens or the paranormal. It's science,
faith and mystery all colliding tonight, so let's get right
into it, guys, Welcome to the show. It is October

(01:19):
the twelfth, twenty twenty five. The name of the song
is The Lights by Law. detO not play this song
in a while, but love this song. One of my favorites,
and I will say that one of the least favorite
parts of podcast is intros and picking songs. I don't
know why I would rather just get into it and
start talking about what we're going to talk about, but
I know I have to kind of preface what we're
going to be talking about on the intros and also

(01:42):
picking good music that kind of ties into what we're
talking about. So and this song really just talks about
kind of a battle that we are all in. And
I think that there's an unseen realm. I think there
is an angel and demon realm. I think that there's
so much information out there right now that if you
have followed podcasts like ours, conspiracy or just political influencers,

(02:05):
even you're probably right now so confused about who or
how you should believe what you hear.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
And we've talked a lot about that.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
One of those things, obviously was also UFOs and aliens.
You know, over the past five to six to seven years,
the UFO topic really heated up, especially on Twitter slash x,
and so the UFO community used to be massive until
it kind of got subverted by other influencers that came
in and said that you know, look, UFOs don't exist.

(02:36):
The things that are flying in the sky are not real,
and what we're likely seeing here is advanced reverse type
engineering from our own government or others.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
And that still doesn't necessarily.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Explain how we have seen some of the very same
things that we see today thousands of years ago. It
also doesn't necessarily explain what the Bible has talked about
things similar to this for thousands of years, even going
back to the Book of be Knock and the Watchers
and all that.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
So we will touch a little bit on the Watchers,
the Book of.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Enoch, the Bible itself, but we're also going to get
into three eye atlasts because is this a thing that
we should be worried about? Is this nothing more than
just some massive comment or like Abby Lobe says, could
this be something that is I guess you, not really
man made, but some type of intelligence man.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Right, a different intelligence, not basically human, but something from
far far away that is alien like that is not
a comment?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, absolutely, so it's it's it's going to be an
interesting conversation. And for those out there that are really
believe in the three Eye out lists, don't be a
cult member Okay, there are people out there on implomen
There are some inflomers that are saying, hey, you three
Eye at Liss cult members out there that believe this
thing is going to come and take you away and
you're going to drink some type of serum to kill yourself. Look,
that's not what we're talking about. We're literally just going

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to kind of break down what three Eye out lists is.
We've already had one episode on this, and the reason
why I wanted to talk about this I've seen is
it's kind of been true ending a little bit more
over the past couple of weeks. There's also some speculation
about NASA. I know that we have some credible photos,
very clear images of three I at Lias now, but
sounds like NASA is not releasing those photos. There is

(04:15):
various reasons why they may not be releasing the photos.
Some people say this because of the government shut down.
Others say because they don't actually want to release the
photos for some reason, maybe a conspiratorial reason.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
We'll get into that.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
But I think what what I'm really excited about talking
about tonight is just the unseen realm, the angels and demons.
What does the Bible say about this stuff because I
think if we look around at our society today, as
I was talking about in the very beginning of this,
is that it's so hard to know who to trust
in and who is saying what is truthful, And even

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people that maybe you had trusted for a very long time,
there is starting to be battles waged, I guess on
the front lines, even with people that were once close,
people that wants believed in each other's work or or
had these thoughts and opinions that each other supported each other,
and now it's like there is a wrecking ball coming
in and it's not just in necessarily our case or whatever.

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It goes back to the UFO community, it goes to
the political realm. It goes to even on the right
for example. You know, think about this, Sherry. We have
President Trump, he's in office. You know, you have Pam Bond,
you have Cash Bettel, you have Dan Bongina. You kind
of have what some would consider what they believe to
be the dream team of a political cabinet, a presidential cabinet,

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and a lot of these people came and said, look,
you know, on day one and all this stuff, we're
going to do everything we can to be one hundred
percent transparent.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
We're going to.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Blow the lid off this thing, and yet we've not
seen most of that. I do want to talk about
a story that just recently released today. Although we're not
going to get too political on this episode, but a
story that was released today was that AG Pam Bondi
went and convened the federal courts. She went to lobby

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the federal courts to say that there are two gun
lobbying groups. Essentially, these groups are set up and organized
to make sure that Americans are able to hang on
to their Second Amendment rights. They are the ones that
lobby our government and lobby the presidents, including especially the Democrats,

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to make sure that we do not lose our Second Amendment.
But recently Pam Bondy, Attorney General, went to the federal
court and demanded that the federal courts say that they
have to these two major gun lobbying groups have to
turn over their members list, meaning everybody that has donated,
everybody that has put anything into these lobbying groups to
make sure that our Second Amendment was going to be

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upheld and continue to be what the Second Amendent was
was about and our founding fathers believed in the Constitution,
while now she is a lobby in the court that
she just won in federal court, where now the two
gun lobbying groups have to turn over every single person
that has donated or on their members list. And a
lot of Second Amendment people are obviously pissed about this.

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This is something that you would never expect, obviously from
a Republican president, a a conservative, I guess White House,
especially Trump, as much as he said that he's pro
Second Amendment, he's pro this.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
But then you look at also all of the shootings
that's going on.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
I mean, just in South Carolina over the past twenty
four hours, we had a shooting in Anderson, South Carolina,
and that claimed I believe, two lives and multiple people
were shot there. And then last night at one am,
there was a bar in Saint Helena Island, which is
right just north of Hiltonhead Island, and there were thirty
or no sorry, twenty people shot there, four people dead.

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And so I think there's been six people dead in
South Carolina in the past twenty four hours from mass
shootings and over thirty people shot. So it almost sounds
like Chicago and South Carolina lately. But then you follow
up with the Southport shooting that happened not very long ago,
about a month ago or so, where there was a
veteran that was on his boat and he had visited

(08:09):
this place. It was a Southport I think I can't
remember what the exact name of the restaurant was, but
it's essentially a seafood restaurant that's right on.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
Yeah, and has outdoor seating right on the bay or
like right on the water.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, right on the water.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Outdoor seating is a place that you know, most tourists
go to in Southport, North Carolina. It is a coastal town.
And this veteran that a lot of people said he
was crazy. We actually did an episode on this, and
obviously he was crazy for doing this, but he had,
I guess, been scoping this place out even a couple
of days prior to the shooting, and then that night
he came, pulled his boat up and started shooting people,

(08:45):
I believe with ar So we're seeing a lot of this,
and then you also had other shootings that it seems
like some military people are starting to, for whatever reason,
to get involved in this.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
But it's weird.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
We are in a weird, weird time to where it's
like everywhere we turn and we don't know exactly what
to believe, who to follow, who to trust anymore. The
people that maybe we have an office that we thought
we were going to fully trust, maybe we don't one
hundred percent trust as much. And then I'm not even
necessarily saying Trump, but I'm saying the people around Trump.
You know, Cherry was something I was telling you earlier.

(09:18):
I said, for me, it's like Trump is the engine
of a vehicle. And you think about the driver of
the vehicle, the passenger of the vehicle, the wills of
the vehicle, that breaks everything that actually makes up that
vehicle is what's actually making that thing go. All Trump
is is the engine. And I feel like that's Trump's

(09:38):
team and that's his cabinet right now. I don't know
who is influencing. I don't know who is infiltrating the
Trump team and cabinet again, and I say again because
twenty sixteen he was less infiltrated, I believe.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Than he is now.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
But now you have this issue to where a lot
of the people around Trump, whether it be the Epstein
files or the gun right stuff as far as the
gun lobbying groups or just some of the ways they're
reacting to certain situations, as far as there are definitely
people that still say, look, you know, we don't think
that National Guard or especially active duty military should be
in our streets. That's a whole thing to debate. I

(10:14):
think we have to make our streets in our city safe.
But I think the whole big takeaway of this is like,
are we battling a battle, ay, a spiritual battle right
now in our world and especially in the United States.
So I think it's all around the world, but I
especially think it is in the United States. And then
you have the three iyat list thing, right, It's like
everybody's talking about three eyat lists. And sorry, guys, I

(10:36):
did not mean to kind of get off topic. But
the whole thing what I'm trying to say here is
that the world kind of seems upside down right now.

Speaker 5 (10:43):
It does, and everyone around it knows, and everyone's like,
you know, you better get right with God, whoever your
God is, because there is a spiritual war going on
among the actual wars here on earth.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
So here's kind of a breakdown of what Ovulos has
specifically said about three iatlists. Obviously you can go get
the mainstream narrative on three iatlsts everywhere you know, they
say this.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Is nothing more than a comment. You have nothing to
worry about.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
But as we had already talked about in another episode,
what is three iatlysts, well kind of set the baseline.
Three Ialyss is a newly discovered interstellar object passing through
our Solar System. It's the third confirmed interstellar object observed
after one Uamua in twenty seventeen and BORESOB in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Its trajectory is retrograde and.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
High speed, indicating it is not bound to the Solar
System now as it is approaching the inner Solar System,
astronomers are using telescopes eg. The Hubble Ground Observatories to
study its brightness, spectrum, dust coma, outgassing if any, and motion.
So lobes three iatlist claims are in the context of
debates about whether this object basically is purely a natural

(11:53):
comment or asteroid, or whether it might show some signs
of being something more exotic. And so here's some of
the claims that I'll be Lobe is talked about as
he has been studying this object as long. And by
the way, this is not ovi Loobe's first object he
has studied. He studied all of the other interstellar objects.
But number one brightness and size. The brightness of three
i atlats suggest a very large size. We're talking about

(12:15):
twenty kilometers in diameter. And if it's reflecting sunlight, assuming
common albedos is what they call it, then this thing
much It could be much larger. Now he points out
that such a large object is too large for an
interstellar asteroid given expectations of interstellar populations, and then later

(12:35):
observations and constraints e g. From lack of non gravitational
acceleration led him to put a lower bound on its size,
maybe a five kilometer nucleus diameter based on mass constraints. Now,
the brightness or size mapp and depends strongly on assumed
albedo reflectivity as they call it, an amount of dust
in a coma and how much light is scattered by

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dust versus direct reflection. Also, if part of the brightness
is intricate generated ie, that assumption changes the inference.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
So then you got to think.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
About the commentary activity or to gas emissions. So though
objects like comets show gas emissions. Lobe notes that three
I list shows no clear spectral signature of typical cometrary
molecules e Gcn, C two or co in some observations,
and in his Hubble telescope shows a diffuse glow ahead

(13:27):
essay they call it, and he cites Hubble observations showing
a diffuse emission IE dust extending ahead of the object,
but no gas lines. He proposes that the observed glow,
especially on the sunward side, may be due to the
dust evaporation or sublimination of the sunlit side without strong
gas signature, and so the lack of gas signature does

(13:48):
not necessarily imply absence of these gases, but they are very,
very faint, and that is definitely not something we typically
see with comets, and especially comets of this size. One
of Lobe's more striking observational claims is that Hubble images
show a diffuse glow ahead of IE leading three ielyists
towards the sun rather than the typical tail of a comet.

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So he feels like something is propulsing or drawing this
commet ahead rather than a tell that you typically see
with commet. So he interprets it as dusk is a
dust is being ejected preferentially from the sunlit side and
forming a coma like envelope rather than a long tail.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
This is something that I.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Don't think anyone has ever seen on a comment ever,
so very strange. Loab also develops a physical model for
outflowing dust gas and how it interacts with the ambient
medium zodiacal dust and solar wind to propose that beyond
a certain radius, say three thousand kilometers, the outflow is
stopped by ram pressure from ambient medium. So use the

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estimates of ejection speed and a density scale, and he
calculates a mass loss of ten kilograms in one essay,
and so he knows that the derived mass loss rate
is independent of assumed nucleus radius. This is also something
that most anyone that has observed comments has ever seen
as well. So we're starting to kind of see how
three ialys is completely different than almost any comment we've

(15:14):
seen in the history of I guess you can say
space research including a muamua, but one strong claim despite
mass loss, threeilis shows no measurable non gravitational acceleration, meaning
there's no deviation from gravity only trajectory within observational uncertainties.
He uses Fourenty twenty two observations from two hundred and
twenty seven observatories and residuals and so this is from

(15:38):
May to September of twenty twenty five to derive that
any possible non gravitational rocket effect must be very small.
So he combines this with the estimates of mass loss
rate and now flow speed to infer a lower bound
on the object's mass thirty three billion tons. From that,
he deduces that that a nucleus diameter must exceed minus
five kilometers. So what is all this essentially mean? Right,

(16:01):
That's a lot of stuff to say. Love's approaches conservative
in mythology, but you know he often frames his more
exotic claims as speculative but bold impossibility. I mean he's
saying he repeatedly talks about that a natural explanation is
still more likely, while arguing that we should obviously stay
open minded because this is something that we have not

(16:23):
seen before. And among his claims, the mass lower bound
or lack of no gravitational acceleration is one of the stronger,
more quantitative inferences that's harder to dismiss. Without challenging observational
data or arabugs. And so if this is true, it
implies that three eye Hallis is much heavier and more
inertial than many expected in his treatment of anomalies. So

(16:43):
saying the trajectory the brightness for glow weak gas emission
is intended to show that the object is interesting, but
none by itself is conclusively saying that it is indicative
of artificial origin. But he does say that of any
object that we have seen in our space, in any
interstellar object in particular, this is definitely one that makes
not a lot of sense in terms of stuff that

(17:06):
we have studied before. So then even the whole idea
of maneuvering or course change is the most speculative and
risky to his thesis, but because it requires assuming latent
propulsion or technology that has not yet been demonstrated. But
the most meaningful future tests include more precise trajectory track
and to detect any non gravitational deviations and deeper spectropity,

(17:29):
talking about you know, is this thing going to move?
Office course that it should be going on, especially knowing
the weight, you know, what size were starting to come
up with, and there has been some indications to where
how it reacted around other planets as it already passed
through and may or could have been deviated in some
way on that gravitational pull for some of these planets.

(17:50):
It seems like that it has not behaved the same
way it should have. Other comments would have behaved in right.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
So, and I think the big difference with this comment
is install having a tail. It's kind of like at
the head. And you know, I contribute that to maybe
the size of it, because when I was researching it,
they said it was almost the size of Manhattan. Like i'say,
a large, large comment is way bigger than the other
two that came interstellar. So that's one different thing is

(18:19):
the composition and the size. And then I think about
like science fiction movies, you know, when they're in space
and they use these spaceships are like individual space ships
and they go out into space and they maneuver and
they kind of use a head force first, you know
what I'm saying, A booster like a booster. Yeah, And

(18:42):
that's what I'm kind of in my mind imagining that
it's like like it has a booster instead of a tail.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Well, I think though, I think some of our actual
spacecraft have what's called Ford trajectory boosters. So instead of
seeing something you would typically see from an airplane where
you know, where you would see engines that are holston
that is pushing the aircraft forward, and they're usually on
or towards the back of the aircraft. You know, there
are some craft that actually have four trajectory boosters, which

(19:10):
can you know, you know, would be on more so
the front side of this. You might also see some
type of exhaust or some type of something if it
is more towards the front of this object.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
But all of that is obviously speculative. But here's a
weird thing.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
It's like you you have three eye alis and then
you have a lot of people start talking about like, well,
what does this mean and does this mean anything? Well,
we know that NASA has been pretty quiet on this
right auvi lobe and has talked about, hey, here's what
we think about three iyat lists, and here's what NASA
has been doing. NASA has what we understand to be

(19:45):
potentially HD images of this thing, whatever it is. And
so there are some people out there that saying they're
refusing to release the image.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah, and that's kind of strange to me, like, why
wouldn't you release it? Is it because of the government
shut down? Is that reasoning? If it's not, then that's
fishy to me, because why wouldn't you unless you have
something to hide?

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah, So I want to play this clip from redacted.
He brings on a guy that we actually we've we've
had or talked about this guy before, and he is
an astrophysicist.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
He studies stuff like this extensively.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
And so I want to go ahead and play this
clip and then we'll break it down and what we
think about this, and then we're going to get into
the UFO alien side of this whole conversation, because I
think that as more people are starting to talk about
this object three ialys as it's moving through our solar system,
there's a lot of people starting to ask similar questions again,
like what are UFOs?

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Are UFOs real?

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Because a lot of people kind of got off that
topic over the past couple of years.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, and I got to say, you know, yes.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Our last episode was talking about Ashton Forbes and kind
of a lot of that stuff. And one of the
things that Ashton Forbes did very well, regardless of whatever,
was he kind of a little bit, took the vision
off of UFOs and UAPs and kind of directed it
a little bit more towards reverse engineer technology that our

(21:10):
government has in particular.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
And so it was, it was it was strange, use
hold on.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
It was strange because about a year and a half ago,
two years ago, when Ashton first kind of started this,
you know, the UFO community was in full swing. You know,
we there was believers, there, there were people that were
that were so ready for disclosure, and you know, you
had people like David Grush and and all these people
I guess coming out in into the government and Congress

(21:36):
and all this, and so the UFO community was really
pushing for disclosure and then you had Ashton Forbes kind
of come crashing in to the UFO community and it
really it felt like to me that it kind of
disrailed or derailed the UFO conversation.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
And that's pretty big for one person to do on
x is to derail like all these conversations. And just
in my opinion real quick before you play the video,
I think it's both. I think we do have reverse
engineering and reverse technology from what we've gained from something
else not of our universe. Or from underneath the earth

(22:14):
or wherever it is. But the thing is, I think
it's both because just our own experiences, Chad, that we've
had together and seen together, I doubt that is government.
Like there's not little tiny orbs all over the place
that our government. I just don't think that is. I
think that's something that is supernatural or from a different dimension,

(22:36):
but it is not our technology.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, well you got to remember too, and this is
something we'll kind of get into a little more later,
but you have to remember what was What was the
entire purpose of what the Watchers did when the Watchers
came down drnt Enoch. They taught mankind thing that were Yeah,
but it was not good knowledge. It was things that
would destroy. So what did they do? Well, the Watchers

(22:59):
back then, this was very primitive times. Obviously we didn't
have technology and computers and weapons and aircraft.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Well we don't know that though, well we don't think
we did.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
But either way, the Watchers came down and instead of
like you know, teaching people how to be good to
one another and help feed each other and help make
sure that your local you know, people in your community
or your your village or whatever, were taken care of.
What did they do, well, they came down to try
to figure out ways to make women more attractive, attractive, sexy, appealing.

(23:30):
They they taught men how to, you know, basically make
shield plates for war, and they taught men how to
make swords for war, and then they influenced their minds
to go to war. Right, So, this, this was all
the things that these watchers aka maybe UFOs back then,
maybe maybe that's what people back then kind of saw,
but it was just in a in a somewhat different

(23:51):
way to where they were actually interacting with these things,
the Watchers, the fallen angels. But their goal and what
they did back then in Enoch days was to corrupt people,
and it was to give them tools to destroy themselves.
So even if you think about, for example, that there
are things like UFOs that we have reverse engineer technology for, well,

(24:12):
what is people are going to do with averse engineer
technology from quote unquote UFOs, especially if they're in the
spiritual realm and the bad realm? Well, we may be
getting tools that we are able to utilize and use
now to destroy other nations, countries, or ourselves or the
entire world in itself and so it's kind of like
there are some similarities to what the Watchers did back

(24:33):
then thousands of years ago, and maybe if we are
reverse engineering these craft that we're going to maybe use
to get a nuclear warhead or some other type of
laser plasma beam type weapon to destroy an entire civilization.
It's just on a much bigger scale now than it
was back in the Watcher days.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
It is, but it also can be used for the
benefit of humanity as well though.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
But we're not going to do it. Well, we're not
going to do that.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Yeah, And I guess it's just human nature that we
have bad in us for some reason, because some of
this technology that we have received I believe from aliens
or people from not our dimension or whatever you want
to call it, can be used to benefit us. You know.
It's just it's just like when Trump was talking to
all the AI guys, and you know, using all this

(25:22):
new technology that we can start scanning people and know
if you're going to have cancer in ten years in
the future, or you know, things like that that can
actually benefit us. But what a humans do? They take
it and they use it to not benefit to go
to if they weaponize it and That's the problem is
even like you think about Nikola Tesla and free energy

(25:47):
and all that. I mean, we could have all on
one time or another, had free energy. We never had
to worry about anything, but we weaponized it. Basically.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
I just wonder if you know Tesla talking about free
and energy and zero point energy. We're going to get
to this video right now, but I just wonder if
he also crashed out or not towards the end.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
I don't know, I'm just curious.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Anyways, here's the video of redacted and where he's talking
about something very strange is happening with three eyealysts and
NASA and are they hiding something?

Speaker 6 (26:15):
Here?

Speaker 7 (26:15):
You go, So in the US government hiding the first
HD images of the three i at list this interstellar
object from all of us. This mysterious object just flew
right by Mars on October third and fourth, and NASA
has some of the most advanced satellite images and satellites

(26:37):
orbiting Mars and reconnaissance instruments that are that are actually
tracking on this object. Astronomers were able to process data
from the Mars Perseverance rover that gave low resident excuse me,
that gave low resolution images of three i AD lists
on October third and fourth, but high resolution images from

(26:58):
the orbiters have still not been released by NASA.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Why what are they hiding?

Speaker 7 (27:03):
Doctor Michael Sala, who writes over to exopolitics dot org,
has been tracking this story.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
He's been tracking three iadalysts now for months.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
And I want to pause for a second because from
what I understand is that they did release low resolution
imagery and so this was during the same time I
believe that the government shutdown has happened.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
And then we also know that we.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Have high definition images that were also captured by there
by the actual orbiting modules, and those.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Are not to be released.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
They have not been released, but the official narrative online
says the reason why they haven't released them is government shutdown. Well,
they did release low resolution or low res from what
we understand, But anyways, I just want you guys to
think about that as we.

Speaker 7 (27:44):
Listen and joins me now to talk about it. Doc,
great to see you, welcome back to the show.

Speaker 8 (27:50):
Thanks. I'm glad to talk about this so really perplexing issue.

Speaker 7 (27:54):
It is perplexing because let's just put up here on
the screen these are this is video of the Mars
cameras here.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
You know, this is just a rendering here.

Speaker 7 (28:01):
But there's plenty of these high resolution satellites taking photos
that are orbiting Mars, that are right there on Mars,
not to mention the Mars Perseverance rover that's on the planet.
Why have NASA not released these images, Well, it's.

Speaker 8 (28:18):
Part of a pattern that NASA has been doing for
decades now going to all of its Mars orbiters and
the International Space Station. What would happen typically is that
many of these cameras were often oriented and would provide
a live feed, and then anomalies would be seen on

(28:42):
Mars or in space around the International Space Station. And
so NASA decided that what it would do is that
it would kind of like pretty much prevent or stop
the live feeds and would go to a kind of
delayed release of images where there photo image experts would

(29:02):
process the images. But what we know from whistleblowers, and
here we go back to two thousand and one with
Donna Hare and Carl Wolf, who were two whistleblowers that
appeared in the Disclosure Project press conference, is that what
NASA would do is that it would scrub images that

(29:24):
contained any evidence of extraterstrial life. So this was what
was really happening with these delays. So NASA would go
from live feed or would cut a live feed, and
then it would delay the release of images, and that
would give time for its photo image experts to remove

(29:45):
anything in there that was suggestive of extraterstrial life. And
I think what we're having now with the Mars orbiters
with three Eye Atlas passing its perihelion with Mars. It's
about thirty million kilometers away from Mars, so that's the
closest point it gets to Mars. Some of the Mars orbiters,

(30:10):
two of them are a NASA orbiters to a European
space agency, another one is Chinese, and another one is
the United Arab Emirates, so they could take images of
the three I Atlas. But so far as you already said,
what was released on October third was this very low

(30:33):
resolution image from the navcam of the Mars Perseverance Rover,
which is really just a camera oriented for the Mars
rover to be able to navigate the Mars surface. So
you would see the kind of horizon and you would
see stars or objects in the background. So that's what

(30:55):
that fuzzy image from the Mars Perseverance rover showed. And
so that was the first that was a live feed,
and that was processed by amateur astronomers. So I mean
it does show that amateur astronomers can process and release
live feeds from NASA. But when it comes to the

(31:16):
Mars orbit as these, there is no live feed of
what is happening in deep space. I mean, we really
have to rely on NASA and the European Space Agency
to point their cameras towards any object and then release it.
But just today, the European Space Agency did release something.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
I want to pause for a second because you know,
I've thought a lot about this, like why would NASA
and why would our government or other governments hide, you know,
high definition images of three I Atlas, I mean obviously
if they are and what the official story is on
mainstream media says, well, the reason why they're not releasing
the HDA images simply because the government shut down. But

(32:02):
they released we we definitely have feeds and we have
you know, I guess what you can call that, yeah,
fuzzy pictures.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
What they have is like just this bright elongated light.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
What we understand is that it was somehow released from
NASA even during some type of government shutdown. Now you
also have to understand that NASA does have a communications
department to where communications will be the people to release
any photo imagery of anything that is captured on any
of these orbital you know modules for example. The problem

(32:37):
with that is, though, is that the orbital modules have
always they used to at one point in time, have
live feeds that you could go and check stuff out,
including the Mars rover. You no longer have that anymore
because the more that people started to study the imagery
around what we're actually being seen on a live feed,
the more people started seeing a lot of weird stuff,
so such as you know, what look like structures or

(33:01):
structures that were once there so square type looking buildings
that had you know, uh, you know, had sand or
dirt right all over them.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
Yeah. So I was going to say, it looks like
they are almost buried by sand.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
And the weird thing about it is like, if these objects,
like for example, on Mars, were thousands and thousands of
years old, likely we would not have even seen any
structure on the surface of Mars. But we know that
we have had imagery that shows what seems to be
very defined square like structures. We even see some almost
pyramid looking type structures on Mars. We've also seen credible

(33:38):
evidence and imagery on the Moon of you know, of
some type of structure on the Moon.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
But what they did was once people.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Started to kind of find this stuff, they then cut
the live feeds, or they at the very least they
would circumvent the live feeds up to an hour or
two to where anything that was in that live feed
they would just scrub. They would scrub that part they
would be monitoring for any abnormal shapes. I had read
something about this about a month ago. And so not

(34:06):
only have we seen the structures and the squares on Mars,
we've also saw like what almost looks like caves with doorways.
We've seen very similar things like to I don't know
if you remember when people were finding these called monoliths.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
That were out in the desert of Arizona and.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
Stuff like this and have nowhere and they just show
up and then they disappear.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Well, they would show up and then someone would go
and take them down. And there was one image of
someone that says, I don't know, like It's not like
someone just came and set a mirror type thing down.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
This thing was infused into the rock and so it
would show up.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
And then someone would come along National Park Service whoever,
probably this Smithsonian, they would come along and destroy this.
They would have to rip it out of the ground,
keep in mind, and cut through to somehow get it out.
You also have seen images like this on Mars.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
Well, and if you think about when you want National
Geographic for example, you know, they try to explain some
of the phenomenon even on Earth from ace, like these
things that look like they're made by something not just
like nature, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, you know,
and they go into all these elaborate reasonings why it

(35:20):
should be nature or not nature. And there's some like
weird looking stuff even on Earth if you look at
it from satellites that you're like, there's no way Earth
created this. This, this is something that something else created.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Well, you have to understand though, too share it's like
we we have been lied to for a very long time,
and we still are being lied to on a regular basis.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
I mean, you think about you know, all of these
I guess you can say geologist or archaeologist or whoever,
Graham Hancocks, all of these people that have been studying
our potential ancient civilizations that have that are now buried
underneath you.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Know, sometimes hundreds of feet of dirt or maybe lava
or whatever the case is. We for sure, somehow, at
some point in time had other civilizations on Earth that
seemed to be intelligent.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
And you know, and I think that our.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Government and NASA and all that they've always wanted to
hide the possibility of advanced life forms outside of Earth.
And I go back to this. I am a Bible believer.
I do believe in the Bible.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
For sure. I believe in God, I believe in Jesus
and all that.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
But I also don't necessarily know if the Bible one
hundred percent explains everything about what could be outside of Earth.
And like our Bible is written by mostly man, it
was written by disciples, and it was written by the
people that witnessed Jesus, that walked as Man as a
son or the physical representation of God. And so when

(36:49):
we look at God, well, okay, well have we seen
God walk on earth? Well besides Jesus, no, we don't
one hundred percent know who God is. But what we
do know is that God controls the heavens and the earth.
He is the one that created all. And so the
Bible talks about in our Bible on this earth, that
talks about Jesus came down as the son of Man,

(37:10):
as the God and physical representation form. And I don't
necessarily think that in the Bible it talks about that
you guys are the only thing that was ever created
on this planet because we are getting the story of
the Bible through Jesus, his disciples, the Old Testament, even
all the books we have found. But do we know

(37:31):
that like God and even our God is not the
god of other civilizations and life forms in the you know,
billions of light years in diameter universe and probably just
I mean, I think it's never ending.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
Yeah, And if you think about natural wonders on Earth
for example, and maybe other gods or other civilizations like
nothing that Something that's never made sense to me is
crop circles. Like you think about somebody that you know,
mose Hay or you know as a farmer. Ever, there's
no way somebody could make a perfect crop circle on

(38:04):
Earth like down there if you had like you know,
corn growing and they have these perfect things that you
can see like how does that happen?

Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah, and now one thing most people don't realize about
crop circles is they always have these very weird, almost
like Egyptian symbolism. You know, you can find a lot
of what crop circles and crop circles has been happening
for a very long time. But even some of the
imagery if you look at some of the old school
crop the crop circles, and then you kind of compare

(38:32):
some of that to like old Egyptian stuff that you
would find in either the.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Temples or in cave drawing. Cave drawings, there's a lot
of similarities to some of this stuff.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
So that's also very interesting. But it's not to say,
you know, I believe that there are no other gods
before me. Is what God declares, and I believe there
is only one God. I believe that Jesus was sent
down to Earth as the human human form of God
to tell people about, Hey, here's the way the world works,
or the the universe kind of works in specific. Here's

(39:02):
what you have to do to be God believers. Here's
how you need to be righteous. Here's what I command
of you to do to your fellow man.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
And and this is Jesus.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Now, was there other Jesus is or was there other
whatever on other planets? I don't know that that's getting
really deep well.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
And just even getting deep thinking about the universe, because
the universe is vast, it's ever going for it.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
It's never ending, never ending, at least we know.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
Never beginning, never ending, like there is no beginning, no ending,
you know. Could there be other gods in the universe
that are controlling other parts of the universe?

Speaker 3 (39:37):
I don't think, you know, because I don't think so,
only because you know, the Bible specifically says that there
are no other gods before me. I don't think there are.
And I think there is one god. I think that
he sends down his physical representations of those of him
that tries to just kind of tell us, hey, here's
the way of the world here.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
You can't say that there's not another Earth somewhere else
in the universe that is exactly like our I'm not
saying that. And would that be the same god that's
controlling I.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Think so yeahet, I think so yes. Would it be
Jesus that goes down to that planet. I don't I
don't know, or would it be another.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
Jesus is more of like an earthly god and not
a universal god. And God to me is like the
universal God. But you know, that gets into religion and
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
But we're going to get into a little bit of
the angels and demons conversation in just a minute.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
But let's listen to some more of what he has
to say here. What do you think?

Speaker 7 (40:37):
I mean, people's you know, obviously speculating about this thing
for quite a while now. It has been doing some
very uncharacteristic things of a normal comet. So why are
people so fascinated by this object particularly? And do you
think that it's anything nefarious, anything unexplainable, or just simply
an interstellar object that's behaving differently than perhaps a normal,

(41:02):
you know, a normal object work. Maybe there's some sort
of a pattern with it. I don't know, But what
do you make of this? Someone in the chat, Eddie
Schwab and our chat says, this thing looks like the
doomsday machine from Star Trek, Yes, from the nineteen sixties
episode called the Doomsday Machine. It looks exactly like that
kind of like this long cylindrical looking object.

Speaker 8 (41:20):
Well well from the get go when it was discovered
back in July of this year by the Atlas telescope system.
What it showed was that this was on a path
that was like within five degree of the ecliptic, which
is very unusual, and then it would pass close by

(41:42):
several major planets, and some astronomers did statistical studies and
found that this was very highly unusual and suggestive of
some kind of intelligent navigation that was behind this to
kind of follow that passage. The lack of a tail

(42:02):
is really the most kind of like startling aspect of
three I Atlas that this is no comet. And this
is something that you can see in the very latest,
the most recent image that just came out today from
the European Space Agency that shows and I think I

(42:22):
sent you a gift file of three eye Atlasts from
the XO Mars European Space Agency ORBITA that shows a
kind of dot. But what's interesting is that there's no tail.
And that's very important because if this was a comet

(42:42):
right now, as three I Outlasts is approaching the Sun,
you would see a tail behind it as it's approaching
the Sun, but there's no tails, so that's suggestive of
something other than a comet that has traveled from some
interstellar region to here. And so this is where we

(43:04):
get into the a lot of speculation. I mean, many
different sources are saying that this is an extraterstrial spacecraft
that is here to really kind of like raise the
frequencies of the planet or of the Solar System. And
some say it's associated with white hats that want to

(43:25):
kind of like break the disclosure secrecy. So you know,
there's a lot of speculation about it. But still the
fact is that right now it's very close to Mars
relatively speaking in astronomical terms, and that the images that
are being released, I mean, NASA hasn't released anything yet

(43:46):
due to the government shut down, and that's another factor
that people are pointing to that this is more than
coincidental that just as three I Atlas approaches MYRS gets
to its perihelium, NASA goes into shutdown mode. Is that accident?
Is that coincidental? And people are also speculating about the

(44:11):
generals being summoned to the Pentagon, I mean, were they
really there just to be lectured to in terms of
how the woke agenda is no longer suitable in the
Pentagon or the Department of War, or were they being
secretly given operational briefings talking about a planetary crisis if

(44:37):
it becomes clear that three I Atlas is a spacecraft
and he's carrying extraterrestrials who are associated not just with
Mars in its ancient past, but also with Earth in

(44:58):
terms of underwater colony, and that's something that would be
of great concern to Pentagon generals.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yes, and what he's talking about there.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Obviously, pe Hegseth had this thing that Fox News all
of a sudden decided to cover where p Hegseth came out.
He had all the generals there, and this was already
said to have been taken place probably about a week
prior to when the actual event happened where all the
generals showed up. P Hegseth was there along with others,

(45:28):
and so it got on X, it got on social media.
There were people that were what I believe, I think,
whistleblowing this to some degree, saying why are all the
generals showing up and why are they all summons to
Washington for whatever?

Speaker 5 (45:40):
Yeah, just to say we're not going to have fat
army people anymore.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah, or woke people.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
Or this or that, like that was the whole summons.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Yeah, yeah, I mean they were trying to say, like, well,
you know, we got to get the woke people out
of our military.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
We can't do it this way anymore.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
And you know, even if you are a general and
you're overweight or whatever, you should still have to pass
the physical fitness test. But most people don't necessarily believe
that's the narrative and story. And even when we heard
this a week prior to it actually happening, there was
no official report from the White House or the Trump
administration that said that they were going to do this.
There was only people that were coming out saying, hey,

(46:15):
some for some reason, they are summoning summoning all generals
in high up officials in our military and government to Washington, DC.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
And this was a week prior.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
And then it was about a day before you started
hearing Fox News saying oh, yeah, so we're going to
maybe have some type of conference tomorrow with the generals.
They had like a thirty minute segment on it where
Pete Hexth came under said hey, we're not gonna have
fat people anymore in our military and all this stuff.
It was almost like a show. And these generals are
even like if you looked at him, were like, what.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
The hell is this? You know? But were they really
there for a bigger reason? That's the question.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
And we don't know now if this thing is like
three Ieatlysts, if it was intelligently controlled, would that be
something that our government and our military would want to know?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Obviously? I mean, you know this is one of the closest.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
Yeah, it's big past Mars, which is right next to Earth.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Yeah, I mean that's pretty darn close. Not right next
to Earth, but yeah, it's close enough.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
Oh you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
And it's actually going to pass pretty close to Earth
very soon, and I think maybe December, Yeah, I think
November December, I believe. And so as as the as.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
The attis gets on its trajectory, this thing's going to
pass right by. But this kind of leads me to
the question, like what are they hiding and why are
they hiding it?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Right?

Speaker 3 (47:35):
I mean, and you know, it could just be nothing.
It could absolutely be a comment, There's no question about that.
But it did give me the idea to talk about
the angels and demons conversation, and in specific like when
we talk about UFOs and aliens and reverse engineering technology
and just the whole conversation. We've had about UFOs over
the past at least seven years on this show. I

(47:57):
think our literal first episodes were about Area fifty This
is when we're brand new podcasts and no idea exactly
what that we we're doing. But our first thing was like,
we gotta do, we gonna do Area fifty one, and
so we did. And we have been very interested in
this subject for the entirety of this podcast, and we
went back and forth on this subject. I mean mostly

(48:19):
I believe that UFOs exist. I don't necessarily know what
they are. The more I have studied, the more I've
thought about it, the more I've researched it. Outside of
just Jeremy Corbel telling me this, or Ashton Forbes saying
this or whoever, I've thought a lot about it, and
including people like Tucker Carlson and others that say, you know,

(48:39):
I believe that there are documents. There are people inside
of the Pentagon that have said that they believe this
possibly is a spiritual type connection, angels and demons every thing.

Speaker 5 (48:50):
Well, yeah, he even said that this stuff is so
scary he wouldn't even want to tell his wife, yeah
about it.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Well and in the same stuff that he knows, and
the same thing goes for some of the blowers. Right,
but this is not the official story and narrative that
the government wants. They don't want that out there, right.
They don't want people to think that this is the
angels and demons type thing. This is a God or
biblical type story. They at the very least want people
to believe. Look, guys, what you're seeing in the air,

(49:17):
even though we're not going to admit it, what you're
seeing the air is all advanced technology, it's all our stuff.
Or maybe it's an adversary, maybe it's China, maybe it's whoever.
But the reality is is that we've seen objects like this.
We've had reports of this, We've had writings in biblical
texts for thousands of years. And not only just that,
I mean the ancient Egyptians, the people that have the

(49:38):
Samerians are not Samarians. The oh my gosh, why am
I forgetting the people in Mexico?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
I am drawing a blank.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
The mayans the Yeah, all of these people have had
this some type of direct relationship connection or sightings or
writings about very similar craft.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
That we see today.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
And so what is all that because it can't be
reverse engineer technology thousands of years ago.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
I mean, and let's say it's inter dimensional or if
it's our past, our future coming to us in the present.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yeah, right, But you know what's more likely is it?
You know, is it that past or future thing, a
future self of ours that is more advanced that we
can go back in the past, although if you listen
to a lot of astrophysicists or people that really know
a lot about that, it's a lot harder to travel
back in the past is the future. We've talked to
Ashen about that as well. But Tupacabra actually has this

(50:36):
amazing clip or it's actually a short documentary. We're not
going to play the whole thing innos entirety. I do
encourage you guys to go and watch the entire thirty
minute documentary on Tube of Cabrera's X. I guess speed
you can say tub Oficabra is t U P A
c A b r A. He actually just released a
video called the narrative Wars and it is an AI video.

(50:58):
He's done a great job that, but he had Candice
Owens Ashton Forbes, Ian Carrol.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
Oh and Ashton retweeted it, by the way, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Of course they did.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
So he has all those people in this and it's
pretty hilarious. But Tuba Coabber also does a great job
at kind of presenting a lot of stuff together and
putting it all together for you to be able to
try to understand, like with this whole thing about angels
and demons and three iyatlas and UFOs and reversinginger and
technology and all of this, what does all this really mean.

(51:28):
We're gonna break down a little bit of this and
then we're going to get into what the Bible actually
says about angels and demons and how they may be
coming to us now even in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 6 (51:36):
Listen a lot of people over the last few months
that think that aliens are angels.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
The angels and demons the Bible are real. They are
the extraterrestrial time travelers.

Speaker 9 (51:46):
And the government has done that for a long time,
possibly going back to the nineteen thirties, at least.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Since nineteen fed They have known that this plane exists.

Speaker 10 (51:56):
We don't have sults, but it's just the other way
it on.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
That's heads us.

Speaker 11 (52:01):
But why won't take tail the American people?

Speaker 2 (52:04):
You have spiritual beings that don't understand or really care
for the physical world.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
A dreadful looking plane in the sky a half a
mile by half a mile.

Speaker 11 (52:18):
You'll like the universe itself. It's circular and.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
It holds within it fifteen hundred little wheel like planes.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Whether you're following UFO news daily, weekly, monthly, or not
at all, you're still seeing it a lot. It's coming
up more than ever before, and from places you'd never expect.
And as the noise increases, so have the theories about
what UFOs actually are. And people are falling within one
of two main camps right now, aliens or angels.

Speaker 8 (52:52):
So is there evidence of angels and aliens being one
of the same.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Are these things physical beings the body and a species
and possibly a home planet, or, as some of the
leading minds in the UFO inner circles are proposing, these
things are actually angels and demons, spiritual beings without bodies.
So how could a seemingly obvious sci fi plot have

(53:19):
to compete with a religious concept like this. I mean,
with few exceptions in pr moments, the theologians have always
avoided the et topic, or at least that's what most of.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Us thought, angels and devils.

Speaker 6 (53:33):
And that's like what when you're hearing about like all
those stories in the Bible about fallen angels and devils,
like these people think that they were referring to aliens.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
One of the most mainstream figures who's joined the debate
is Tucker Carlson. Tucker isn't someone you'd call the true
believer of the official UFO narrative. In fact, he's poked
holes in it several times. But the interesting thing about
Carlson to me is that he's a very well informed
person who talks to a lot of different people and
has come to some very interesting conclusions based on those

(54:09):
conversations and his own worldview.

Speaker 9 (54:12):
You had mentioned several times that you think that the
UFO UAP type phenomena stuff is all spiritual.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
And I don't know.

Speaker 9 (54:23):
I mean, look, I should just state about every topic
like I don't know shit, nobody knows shit. I'm satisfied
that I know enough, and I don't really want to
know that much more, because what I think I know is,
you know, this doesn't help me at all to know that.
So that's the conclusion I've reached. I'm usually pretty curious.
I've stopped being curious about this because I don't want
to know anymore.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
But you truly don't want to know anymore about it.
I think, I know, I think I know what's up?
Can you articulate it?

Speaker 10 (54:49):
Well?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
I think it's I think it's a you know, I
think it's a really old story. You know, I think
it's a really old story. So that's what I think.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
What is it?

Speaker 9 (54:58):
One thing that you know about all every world religion?
I'm familiar with the I'm interested in that topic. There are
commonalities between religions. You know, Jesus is unique, and I
believe in Jesus. But there are commonalities that are very
striking between all world religions I'm aware of, and all
creation myths.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
And one of them, and this.

Speaker 9 (55:20):
Is of course true for Christianity, very true, is that
the belief that supernatural beings take physical form. They all
believe that the Greek myths Jesus most famously, but that
they take physical form, that they're not just like some ethereal,
they're not just shadows floating around specters fog, that they're physical,

(55:44):
like there is realist the arm of your chair, and
that they reproduce with people. Again, Christianity believes that Jesus,
a maculate conception spirit reproduces with human woman. If every
culture in the world that we know about has left
any kind of written or physical record is reaching the

(56:05):
same conclusions about something, maybe there's something there, and maybe
it's not so crazy to think that what everyone else
has always thought since the beginning of time, which that
there is this combination in cases of you know, human
beings and the spiritual realm, whatever that is. I can

(56:27):
speak about it with no precision at all, because I
don't understand the specifics of it, but I know that
it has been written about since people have been writing.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
And so what he's.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Talking about here, obviously is you know that spirits can
inhabit human form. Obviously Jesus is a great example of this.
But even if you think about possessions, right, possessions by
demon entities, and you know, you think back to the
Catholic Church where they have performed many exorcisms.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Jesus himself actually was.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
One of the very original I guess you can say
staples of exorcisms. Jesus himself performed many exorcisms of demons
from man. So when the Catholic Church and you hear
priests and you hear other accounts of this that have
said that a demon has taken over a soul and
we had to go in and we had to figure
out a way to get this soul or to get

(57:19):
this demon out of this person. You know, there are
so many accounts in the Bible that talk about this
specifically about what Jesus did. And Jesus was also able
to you know, and throughout the Bible, there were other
people in the Bible that were people that were going
to Rome that would say, you know, Peter for example,

(57:39):
and many others, that some of these people were able
to do exorcisms, and some of these people were not.
It was a very you had to be like on
the top of your game. I guess you can say,
as far as your faith and your and your belief
to be able to do this, because if you didn't,
and you had a wound as they call it, you
had a wound, had an opening for that demon to

(58:01):
inhabit you. Especially if you're going after you're going to
try to save the soul, save this person from this demon,
from the entity.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Then you had to be.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Completely locked up, especially faith wise and what you truly believe,
because if you didn't, that thing could then leave that
body that you were trying to rid this person of,
and it could go into you, It could flow into you.
So yes, spiritual forms throughout history and especially in biblical
times has inhabited bodies, and even Jesus himself.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
That's what I was getting ready to say. Because Jesus himself,
if he really was made by immaculate conception, then is
he half alien half human? Is he half spiritual, half
alien half human? Like what is Jesus? If he is
not made by two humans, you know, having sex or

(58:53):
whatever and making a baby, then what is Jesus?

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Well, I mean he well, he's like I said, he's
a physical representation of God.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
And God I believe. I mean, if you want to
think about like what an extraterrestrial is, you know, he's
not human.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
God is not human. He created humans, but he's not
himself human. He is a spiritual divine being, right, and
he is what many if you would if you were
to meet God to say that you went to Mars
on some space flight mission and you go there and
God's there, Like, are you going to say that he's human? No,

(59:28):
because he's going to be the most powerful force in
all of the universe.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
He is.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
But what the way I imagine God. I don't imagine
God as a human form. I imagine him as like
this light, Yeah, is what I imagine.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
I feel like that God is an energy.

Speaker 5 (59:45):
It's like an energy exactly. It's God is an energy.
He's not a form. And you know, also when they're
talking about forms, they don't just take over human bodies.
They take other forms in our natural world, you know,
like orbs for a I think this is not a
human form. It is a subnatural form. It is, but

(01:00:07):
it is a different form. But it is an energy
that is here that we can see physically.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Yeah, see physically.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
In the Bible, in specific, it talks about, you know,
towards the end times and towards when you know, when
the time is near that I shall return and I
rapture my people.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
And you know, for those of you who read the
Bible and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Throughout revelations and many other places, it talks about that
you will see signs from the heavens. I remember when
even when I was you know, when I was eleven
and twelve years old, And so what does signs from
the heavens mean? Well, we have to think about what
does heavens even mean? Like what does the Bible ever
actually explain what heavens are? Now we know about heaven,
and we know about heavens, but heavens and the Bible
it says God created the heavens, which basically means everything

(01:00:49):
outside of Earth in the Earth, like the space, yes,
the spapace. So he said, God created the heavens in
the earth, and then he made man, and then he
made one, you know, and so it was kind of
just this process of making all the things for earth.
But we do know at the very least that we
will see signs from the heavens. And that's literally what
it says in the Bible. And the Bible already explains

(01:01:11):
what the heavens means. It doesn't mean you're going to
see signs from heaven like where you're when you die,
you're going to go to necessarily.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
But do you think Heaven is in the heavens?

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
I do, And I do also think like if you
read the Bible and kind of get into some of
this stuff, like I think there are multiple heavens, just
like the Bible also kind of explains there are multiple hells,
not just necessarily one, you know, and there are hells
for different factions of people. And so that's also was
a very interesting concept.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
And then you know, when you think about like Catholic religion,
for example, like purgatory in between the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Two, Yeah, yeah, exactly, well, and that's where Catholic religion
kind of gets that from, because there are multiple levels
of hell, and the Bible even talks about that. But
there's also multiple I think potentially heavens, and I don't
think it's necessarily just one. But you know, as I say,
the more that we start to see, especially in this
day and age, of signs from the heavens, whether it

(01:02:06):
be the UFOs, the orbs, the.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
More you don't you think there's more than one heavens.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
No, no, no, I'm saying I think there's more than one heaven, right,
So so places that you can go if you die,
that there's a heaven, but I think there's multiple of those,
and and you know it talks about that in the Bible.
What kind of talks about that as far as like
I said, hell as well. But what I'm saying is
that the signs from the heavens specifically it talks about
in the end times where it says you will see

(01:02:33):
signs from the heavens. Well, that means like the sky,
the space, the things that we see outside of the Earth.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
And we're seeing that right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
We're seeing it with three eye alis, we're seeing it
with a muamua, We're seeing it with things like these
objects that we can't necessarily explain. It doesn't take on
the same characteristics of what you would you know, typically
see with a comet. I'm not saying that that thing
is sent by God, but I am saying that even
beyond the three eye oatlsts, let's just talk about, for example,
signs from the heavens. Could those signs also be structures

(01:03:04):
that we might be able to now see on Mars.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Could it also be the UAPs and UFOs that we're seeing.
Could it be even when.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
SpaceX goes into space and we see these these darting
orbs or whatever it is on cameras that are darting by,
and you know, they can't ever really explain what those
things are either. But what I'm saying is I think
that the Bible continuously gives us a path in a
in a and kind of like a playbook of Like, hey, guys,
I know that it's twenty twenty five, but I'm already

(01:03:32):
telling you what what you're what you're going to see.
Don't be surprised by seeing this. Don't be surprised by
seeing UFOs UAPs, these things in the sky that are
moving beyond belief, beyond what humans we believe can.

Speaker 5 (01:03:45):
Do, and not just fast, but the way they maneuver
and turn. Yes, And I still have these stunts.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
And I still go back to this, you know, the
even m A Street seventy topic.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
You know, and and all of that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
I don't necessarily believe that the United States, any planet,
or not any planet, any country on this Earth right
now has technology to be able to go from A
to point B in zero, Like you know, one second.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
Or so, you don't think the government zapped the plane.
You think that was more I do, not dimensional or
something else beside.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
If it's real, right, we got to we got to
start there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
And then number two, No, I don't think the government
zapped the plane, but that but that's just me. And
by the way, I've always challenged Astion on this. It's
not like I've I've said, well, yeah, I for sure
believe everything you're saying. I've always challenged Astion on that
because I would always say, well, look, I know you're
saying this is just this reverse engineered technology and Edward
Lynn and all this.

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
You do think we have reversed technology though, I think
we do.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Yeah, I mean I think we do. But also I
think that if we had technology like you you see
around Industry seventy where you have these orbs that are
circling this aircraft where it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Can zap something that we got to that. No, I'm
saying if we have it, though, we would control the world.
Like there would be no adversaries, there would be no
there would be no talks with Russia.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
Unless all of our countries have that technology as well.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Maybe and maybe they do, right, I mean, even going
back to the food fighters incident in World War Two
where you had these orbs showing up alongside fighter pilots
fighter pilots back then in World War two, and some
people believe they were Germans that had this incredibly fast technology.
I don't believe so either, but Germans for whatever reason

(01:05:33):
did have some type.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
Of connections technology. Yeah, for sure, so they had something. Okay,
let me ask you a quick question before we go further.
I'm just thinking about Barney and Betty, the two people
that were abducted and they said it was an alien
craft and they were abducted and taken to this craft
and scientific experiments were done on them. What would you

(01:05:59):
consider that as far as explaining what it is in
relation to the Bible.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Well, I mean in relations to the Bible. I don't
think it would be angelic beans that did that. I
think it would be the evil the evil realm it was.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
If it was evil beings, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Yeah, exactly what you're saying, like spiritual most most like
if you think about like most people's abduction stories, they're
not good.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
No, they're all terrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Yeah, they're terrifying.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
They have lifelong mental injuries from these things. They have
even in some cases physical injuries. Even the soldiers that
have been in close contact with some of these orbs
where they have had mass brain trauma they or have died.
I mean, we've also had soldiers that have encountered UAPs
or UFOs that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Have died because of the radiation, radiation or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
And you know, and a lot of people think, well, radiation,
that means it's advanced technology. Know, it doesn't, because you
have to understand that even if you are a outside
force that is coming from say another dimension, and you
were interacting with our gravity and all this stuff, that
will likely create radiation. It doesn't matter how you look
at it. And especially if it's like.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
The friction that causes the radiation. I think yes, But.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Especially as we're even talking about like Jesus coming in
physical form, and he was a spiritual being, and he
obviously was because he was the physical representation of God.
What I'm saying is that as Jesus as a spiritual
being or any like when we're talking about you know,
demon possession or any of this stuff, we also have
to think about like the UFOs or the things we

(01:07:32):
see in the sky, as a physical manifestation of a
of a spiritual being. Right, so it may be represented
as a craft, as a as a device that can
maneuver and kind of intertwine realities or intertwined dimensions, and
then it just so happens it comes across as a craft,
you know, very similar.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
I go back to the Watchers.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
I go back to all that stuff as they as
they descended Mount Herman and then as they kind of
came down. You know, we don't one hundred percent fully
know the zac story of the Watchers and exactly how
it happened. But what if it was UFOs. What if
it was like craft that they descended on or with

(01:08:15):
and they came down they then had sex with human
women that then created Nephlom. That then was the main
reason of why the whole demonic realm still exists today.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
I think there is definitely a connection with the spiritual
and physical realm, and I think that they manifest themselves
in this physical realm through whether it is people or
whether it is ideologies or physical actual structures or craft.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Right, I think that's all very.

Speaker 5 (01:08:44):
Possible and just my thoughts real quick to me. Like,
when I think about the Watchers, I think about a
spiritual like realm, almost like comparison to God, but not
as great as God.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Like well, yeah, I mean God.

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
Created them, but they're more of an energy like type thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Right, Well, they were fallen angels, the angel but when they.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
If they had sex with women on Earth, they would
have to take some kind of physical form.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
I would think, say, the Nephilm came from the Watchers
having sex with human women.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
Yes, that was the.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Physical form, but they were half spirit and half half human.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
Yeah, but I'm saying the Watchers were all spirit. So
how did they have sex with women on earth if
they did not take a physical form.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Well, they did take a physical form though, no doubt. Okay,
so I understand what you're saying. But no, the Watchers
did come down this physical form, but they were all
supernatural essentially, and then they then created actual human, half human,
half spiritual bands, supernatural beings as they called them. And
that's why a lot of people, you know, if you
go back to some of the Greek mythology and all

(01:09:50):
these kings and rulers and all these great, glorious, huge people,
they many people believe descended from the Nephlm. You know,
these were seven eight foot tall rulers. Many of them
were handsome, you know, handsome, huge guys, huge muscles. Depending
on where they were at whether you know, if they
were Nordic, they were blonde hair, whiter, but they were

(01:10:12):
still huge.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
The same kind of thing kind of goes throughout that
that storyline.

Speaker 5 (01:10:17):
I think Goliath was a netflin.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Yeah, probably, I mean he was an offshoot of that,
as well as so many others that are you know,
very well known, you know, rulers of our time, especially
in Greek mythology, and they call it mythology, but you know,
the reality is like even if you go back to
the Book of me Notoch, it kind of goes down
that lineage of how Greek mythology even was ever ever
came about, right, So it is somewhat in biblical nature

(01:10:41):
how Greek mythology and some of the rulers that you
once probably heard about in high school maybe actually happened.
So anyways, I want I want to get in this
next part of clip, which is doctor Gary Nolan, and
doctor Gary Nolan has been a huge name in the
space of UFO's UAPs.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Let's listen to what he says in this document.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
One of the few people we know Tucker has actually
spoken to about UFOs is doctor Gary Nolan. Nolan is
part of the Invisible College, a Rosicrucian offshoot of Academia
that has been investigating the UFO phenomenon for decades, But
we'll get into that later. In twenty twenty three, Tucker
had Nolan on his show where they discussed the topic

(01:11:21):
in detail. Here Gary explains what he believes UFOs and
aliens are.

Speaker 10 (01:11:26):
I mean, look, if you're an intelligence, are you going
to go down on a planet with a bunch of
angry monkeys.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Who might kill you?

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:11:36):
Unlikely You'll send some intermediary. Well what kind of intermediary
are you're going to send? You're going to send something
that maybe almost looks like them, but isn't them. So
I think, and this is again from inside the intelligence community,
most of what we think we're seeing are avatars, biological

(01:11:57):
robots that are based on put there to be the minions,
if you will.

Speaker 9 (01:12:06):
And that's the current view of that self.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
It is a hypothesis.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
What could possibly be controlling these biological machines that were
built specifically to interact with us? To answer this question,
I only had to look at other interviews Gary. No
one has done like this one from twenty twenty two
on the Lex Friedman podcast. Again, the language Gary uses
is very important here.

Speaker 10 (01:12:30):
How would you, as a higher intelligence represent yourself to
a lesser intelligence. Well, let's go back to pre civilization.
Maybe you show yourself as the spirits in the forest
and you give messages through that. Once you get a
little bit more civilized, then you show yourself as the gods,

(01:12:51):
and then you're God. Well, we don't believe in God anymore,
necessarily not everybody does. So what do we believe in?
We believe in technology. So you show yourself as a
form of technology. Right, But the common thread is you're
not alone, and there's something else here with you, and
there's something that's, as you said, watching you, and at
least watching over your shoulder. But I think that like

(01:13:15):
any good parent, you don't tell your student everything. You
make them learn, and learning requires mistakes because if you
tell them everything, then they get lazy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
Keep in mind, this is one of the leading academics
on the UFO topic in the world, yet he's explaining
the UFO phenomenon using terminology that is interchangeable with how
someone would describe a guardian angel.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
The picture becomes even.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
More complete with this clip from the twenty twenty three
Salt Conference.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Well, what do you gary, doctor? Nowen you have to speculate,
what do you think it is? Let's be both.

Speaker 10 (01:13:53):
I think it is an advanced form of intelligence, something
that we don't understand that using some kind of intermediaries.
You know, it's not that they walk amongst us that
you know you are you wearing a skin suit, are
actually the alien? Right? No, you're going to basically put
something there that is I think of it as an

(01:14:15):
intelligence test. Can you see what's in front of you
for what it really is? Can you see the anomalous
data point that is there that you realize what it is?
I mean when the South American Native tribes first saw
the Spanish ships coming across the horizon, they didn't realize

(01:14:37):
what it was. They couldn't see it for what it was.
So you just need to show yourself to enough to acculturate. Now,
if you've been around for a long time, and this
is something that I do think has been going, they've
been around for a long time. They are affecting our culture, right.
It's actually often thought that many of the religions that
we think of as the most important have been part

(01:14:59):
of this process.

Speaker 12 (01:15:00):
Doctor Jacques Valet, International Authority on the UFO Experience. The
first thing I'd like to dispel is a frequent misconception
that UFOs are limited to this country. Very often people
ask me, how can I never hear about UFOs in
other parts of the world. How can we only hear
about UFOs in America. Well, UFOs are not an American phenomenon.

(01:15:23):
They are a worldwide phenomenon. That's one of their most
dramatic characteristics. The first major wave of sightings, and sightings
tend to come in very intense series over a couple
of months over a given region of the world. The
first such major wave occurred over Scandinavia in nineteen forty six.

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
Arguably the most famous upologists in the world living today
is doctor Jacques Valet. Valet has been involved in ufology
longer than I've been alive. In fact, he was featured
as a character in the Steven Spielberg film Close Encounters
of the Third Kind, and he wasn't the only one featured,
Although an actor played Jacques Valet in the film. Because

(01:16:06):
of scheduling conflicts, his friend and fellow Rosa Cruscian Jay
allen Heinik, was featured in the film as a cameo.
Doctor j allen Heineck's origin with u offos goes all
the way back to nineteen fifty two, where as an astronomer,
he served as the scientific advisor for Project Blue Book,

(01:16:26):
a study of UFOs conducted by the US Air Force
from nineteen fifty two to nineteen sixty nine.

Speaker 13 (01:16:33):
Jacques Vallet is just one of these people, right that
you come across his work and he's fascinating. So I
thought it was strange that not only was he a
person who was you know, pre engineered arpinet, right, he
was on arpinet, which is pre intranet. He's creating that
at the same time as being obsessed with UFOs and doing,

(01:16:55):
you know, being a ufologist.

Speaker 6 (01:16:56):
Another thing that was really fascinating about your book was
you were talking about how how much religion he studied.

Speaker 13 (01:17:02):
Yes, yes, that was really interesting. So in the book,
what I do is I uncover not just him, but
Alan Heinek. They were friends and they were both ro Secrucians,
which is a form of He might not like me
to say this, but it's a form of mystical Christianity
in a sense, but a lot of raw Secrucians don't

(01:17:23):
view their roots as Christian. They look at it as Egyptian.
And both of them believe in this kind of life
this meditating and things like that, and so I included references.
Everything I say in my books, by the way, I
pass to the person that I'm writing a chapter about.
So everything that I said about Jacques, I gave it

(01:17:44):
to him beforehand, and I said, are you okay with
me saying this publicly? And so it passed all the tests.
And I also talk about going to his apartment and
seeing his library, which is an amazing library, has stained
glass from Sharks Cathedral, and Sharks Cathedral is a special

(01:18:05):
place for resecrutions, like a special place of presence of
the sacred and he actually did those himself, so he
learned how to do stain glass from people at Sharksrop
by the way, and yeah, just amazing. And he had
a lot of books on angels and fallen angels in
that library, like almost like it. It was almost like

(01:18:26):
going into the Vatican Archive going into this place, because
these looked like first editions or close so, you know,
really really old books about this topic.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Follow Yeah, I.

Speaker 13 (01:18:38):
Was pretty shocked when I had When I went, I
was we were going to have lunch and talk about
the crash site and maybe talk about you know, what
I learned from Tyler and that kind of thing. And
we went to lunch and then he said, do you
want to see the library and I.

Speaker 8 (01:18:50):
Was like, yes, of course.

Speaker 13 (01:18:51):
So I saw the handwritten documents from Project Blue Book,
and that was just going into the library. That wasn't
actually in the library. Then when we got in there,
I noticed a big bookcases of these books, and of
course I was drawn to them. And he said he
picked out one and he opened it and it was
about angels and he said, this is you know, this

(01:19:13):
is a book about angels. And I could see that
and I was looking at him, wow. And then I
looked at the other bookshelf and that bookshelf was just
as impressive. And then it was about fallen angels. He said, oh,
this one's about fallen angels. And then he made a
joke and he said, you can't have one without.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
The other, all right, So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
And I do encourage everybody to go to Tuob Ofcabre's
X and go and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Check out the entire documentary. I think he does a
great job on all of his videos.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
We've actually had him on the podcast at least once,
I think for sure. And he even with like the
serious stuff that we're talking about right now. He has
some really funny stuff as well, and I do encourage
you guys to go check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Tube is a good dude. But yeah, so he's talking
about Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Vallet here, and you know, Zach Ballet, he has this
huge library and you know he he even knows that
there is a study to religion that is the I
believe key to the missing lock, right, or the key
to the lock that we don't quite fully understand. And

(01:20:19):
and I think if we can understand this, then we'll
kind of get some context into what we are seeing
and experience in today, especially with you know, all of
the information we have available. It's not just UFOs from
Zeta reticula, right, It's not just some you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Extraterrestrial life form.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
And I think even with the scientists that are out there,
like Jock Phla and like so many others, they are
starting to connect it to the spiritual realm, to what
the Bible has talked about for thousands of years.

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
Well, when I think about Rosa Christians, I think, yeah,
I think about the Vatican, I think about Mary, Virgin Mary,
I think about all those things when they bring that up,
and it when you think about the Vatican and like
all the missing files underneath the Vatican and all the
conspiracy around just the Vatican alone, it starts to make

(01:21:13):
you kind of connect the dots.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
I guess, yeah, Well, I mean there's a lot of
you know, the Vatican lost archives, right, they hold a
lot of I believe truth that they want to hide
from mainstream public. You know, this is something that many
people and we've talked about it on many episodes, but
there is definitely a connection here, guys with what we're
talking about, the UFO phenomenon, the UAP phenomenon, the extraterrestrials.

(01:21:39):
But doesn't mean that it's just it's like a does
it mean it's like non Christian to talk about this.
I actually don't think so. I think, you know, with
the Bible believers, the people that are Christians, the people
that read the Bible and understand it. And that's why
I also like when I first started to reread the Bible,
I went back to the Book of Enoch, Enoch One
in particular, because of the fallen angels. Enoch's account kind

(01:22:03):
of the whole thing to where it really starts to
explain things that the Bible references.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Many times.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Keep in mind the Holy Bible, the Christian Bible references
in many occasions Enoch and he and it references Enoch
one in particular, because Enoch two and three were written later,
most scholars or people do not believe those are credible necessarily.
But Enoch one really talks about the fallen angel, the
demon aspect, like how demons interact and how we interact

(01:22:31):
with demons on and in this world today.

Speaker 5 (01:22:34):
But what's crazy to me, Chad, is you know, just
yesterday I went to this a state cell or whatever,
and I ran into an old friend and it was
one of the friends that used to like, well, she
still is very very Christian.

Speaker 8 (01:22:49):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
I had several very very Christian colleagues at my school
that almost made me feel uncomfortable with their christiananity, if
that makes sense, Like they made me feel uncomfortable with
the way they would preach to me and blah blah blah.
But I was talking to her yesterday at this auction.
I was like, yeah, we've been doing podcasts and we've

(01:23:10):
been studying the Book of Enoch and blah blah blah,
and you know, telling her all this stuff. She had
no clue what that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Was yeah, no clue. Yeah, I was like, what.

Speaker 5 (01:23:21):
The most Christian people I know and some of them
don't even know what that is.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
No, And I think it's important. I mean, and there's
a you know, there's kind of this, I guess you
can say higher ground that Christians want to kind of
it sometimes, or especially Baptists and kind of the religious
people they want to stand on and they say, look,
don't ever read the Book of Enoch.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
That's Satan, that's demon, you know whatever, that's not. It's not.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
I believe One e Enoch is very important. I think
there are other books that are very important. Now do
I say that the book, the King James version or
just the Bible and whole is not the Word of God.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
I'm not saying that, but I do believe that we
can take a lot of things from other books, especially
One Enoch. But we're talking about just the Bible. Let's
just talk about this for a second. So this is
kind of a fantasy thing. I mean, everything we're talking
about as far as this other realm, these UFOs, the aliens,
the fallen angels. It sounds like some type of weird fantasy.

(01:24:17):
But if you're a Christian. You believe in God, and
you believe in the Bible. This has been written about
not only as I said, has been written about in
Enoch one, but how many times the Bible actually references
Enoch one?

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
But also how many times.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
Does the Bible actually talking about the unseen forces that
influence nations? Do you think unseen forces? What do you
think the Bible's talking about there?

Speaker 11 (01:24:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
I mean, we call people in today's world crazy if
they believe in the paranormal We call people crazy if
they believe in aliens or interdimensional beings.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
We call people crazy. We say they have ten full
hats on.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
But literally, the people that read the Bible, that believe
in the Bible, we know that the Bible talks about
this often and a lot of times, this unseen force
in fluences our leaders, even the thoughts of people that
are on this earth today. But anyone that kind of
that follows Christ, they're not powerless. And I guess that's

(01:25:11):
what I want to talk about here. And in the
scripture he says, he who is in you is greater
than he who is in the world. That is one
John four four. And so the purpose in nature of angels,
for example, Hebrews one fourteen says, are they not all
minister in spirits sent forth to minister for them who

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shall be heirs of salvation? Angels are not cute figurines.
They're not something that you know that you have in
the in the I guess you can say in the
in your car when you're driving, you want to be protected,
you have this, you have this symbol. They are very mighty,
being sent by God to serve and protect his people.
Enoch talks about, you know, Gabriel and many of the archangels,

(01:25:54):
just like we talked about the demonic and evil forces.
Psalms ninety one eleven through twelve says, for he shall
give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in
all the ways. They shall bear thee up in their hands,
lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. And so
God has assigned angels to guard his children, not to
worship them, but to show us that the heaven is

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actively involved in our lives. And although we are seeing
the demonic force that is among us every single day,
we also have that angelic force that is on God's
side is on our side to be there for us
to protect us against that And so some of the
roles in scripture. Genesis nineteen one through thirteen says, angels
rescue Lot from Sodom before its destruction Daniel six twenty two.

(01:26:38):
My God has sent his angel and Hatess shut the
lion's mouth. Luke one twenty six through thirty one says
Gabriel delivers God's message to marry and Acts twelve seven
through ten, and angel frees Peter from prison. And so
angels act in obedience to God's word, not ours. But
they respond to faith and to God's command and not
human invocation. And this is what God wants these angels

(01:26:59):
to do. Now, the hierarchy and the power of angels
Daniel ten twelve through thirteen says, the angels tell Daniel
he was delayed twenty one days because the prince of
the Kingdom of Persia withstood me, a demonic principality. And
then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help.
And so this kind of shows the spiritual warfare over nations.
Angels and demons battle over geopolitical regions, and the battle continues,

(01:27:22):
obviously in twenty twenty five. So we're seeing all this
stuff right now. There is an active battle that is
going on. And not only is it going on in
our country, not only is it going on in our
political divide. Not only is it going on in the
people and our friendships, but it's going on throughout nations,
It's going on throughout ideologies.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
And this is an active battle.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
We've never really had, at least in our lifetime, an
active battle. I believe that we have witnessed like we
do today, at least from the time that we have
been alive. There has been other occurrences of this, obviously
through many wars, through so much other but now we're
also starting to see physical manifestations of craft or of
things in the sky, the signs from the heavens. At

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the same time that we have this massive shift in
what people believe or don't believe, you know. The Bible
also talks about in the end times and the end
days that the good will become bad and the bad
will become good. They want you to believe that if
you believe in good, then you are bad, and if
you believe in bad, then you are good. It talks
about this many times. In Revelations twelve seven to nine,

(01:28:27):
it says, and there was a war in Heaven, Michael
and his angels fault against the dragon, and so Heaven's
army is organized, powerful and actively opposing Satan's kingdom, even
right now as we are talking.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
So when we're.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Seeing this stuff, guys, it's not just little green men
from Zeta Reticula.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
This is a spiritual battle.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
That is going to literally in the end, it's going
to be put forth right here on earth. And I
think we're starting to see some of that now. The demons,
the fallen angels, their influence. You think about Revelations twelve
four and his tell drew the third part of the
stars of Heaven and did cast them to the earth.
Those stars are symbolic of angels who followed Lucifer into rebellion,

(01:29:07):
and so it describes Lucifer's pride and fall, and it
quotes and this is Isaiah fourteen twelve through fifteen, how
art thou falling from Heaven? Oh, Lucifer's Sun of the morning.
And so demons are fallen angels. They want serve God,
but now serves Satan's destructive agenda. If you go back
to the Book of Enoch, the entire reason was they
were falling angels of God and now they decided, or

(01:29:30):
then they decided upon Mount Hermon over two hundred strong.
They decided that although we have all these powers and
we have all this will, we are going to serve
Satan's agenda and not God. We're going to make all
a pack to say we're about to go against God.
Do you all understand what that means? And they're like, yes,
we do. Let's do it because we believe we're going
to be the gods of Earth.

Speaker 5 (01:29:50):
And this was the time right when they kind of
put God in court. Yeah, and they were kind of
the judge and the jury.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
Well yeah, I mean, and so yeah, A lot of
kind of how you can analyze or analogize this is that, yes,
the fallen angels wanted to hold God to account, you know,
and they wanted to take over God's creation. They believe
that they could be the God, the God of sun,
the God of the moon. This is kind of where
you start hearing some of that also mythology as well,

(01:30:20):
but this all comes from fallen angels. So their mission
on earth. John ten ten says the thief coming not
but for to steal and to kill and to destroy.
Ephesian six twelve says for we wrestle not against flesh
and blood, but against principalities, against powers, and against the
rulers of the darkness of this world. So it's not
about physical and nature. It's about the spiritual realm. It's

(01:30:43):
about the things that we don't always see, even though
I think we're starting to see today. But that is
really who we are battling against. And so our true
enemy is not people. It's the unseen dark powers influencing
people and the systems. And although you may look at
people in Antifa, you may look at people in these riots.
You may look at people that are shoe and killing
and stabbing him, doing all this crazy shit to innocent people,

(01:31:03):
and you think.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
I hate this person because they are they're they're just evil. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
I don't want to say this in what I'm saying
the Bible, but they're they're just evil people. And and
and the reality is is that they had a wound
enough for the demonic, the demonic entity to come.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
In and and that's what they did.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
It was the enemy, uh, not of people, but of
the spiritual nature of the dark powers that are influencing
those people. And so one Peter five eight also says
be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary, the devil, as
a roaring lion, walketh about seeking whom he may devour.
So what does that mean, Well, it means that if

(01:31:45):
you're not strong in what you're trying to do, if
you're if you got your mindset somewhere else, if you're
not thinking about what you need to be thinking about,
if you are addicted to something, if you are fighting
with your spouse, if you're fighting with your friends, if
you're all wrapped up in every single thing else except
for God, except for the Bible, except for what God
tells you to do, then that's when a demon is
going to use you more than he's ever going to

(01:32:06):
use anybody. That is, the people he gets, he gets
the lost. Jesus gets the lost as well, and he
wants the lost more than anything. That's why I believe
that back in the day, Jesus went to the people
that were the most lost and made them disciples to
go and talk to everyone about Hey, I saw the miracles,
I saw who Jesus says, these were lost people. But

(01:32:27):
unfortunately the devil also uses lost people as well, and
the leaders, the principalities, the people that literally, the Bible
says that in the end and on earth, the demonic
entities and spirits are also going to influence and rule
our leaders.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
I mean it literally says this. And keep in mind
when we think about like what the hell is going
on in this world, like.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
What is going on with our leadership? What is going
on with the United States government?

Speaker 5 (01:32:57):
But beside the leadership of our government, United States, the world?
Do you not think that every human being on some
point is lost. I think we're all lost because if
we weren't lost, we would be perfect, and nobody is perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
Yeah, but that's that's what I'm saying, is like people
have we have to make a decision of like what
are we going to be?

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
I guess what are we going to do about how
lost we are? Like what is going to be our drug?

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
And I say drug not in the way that you think,
but like what is going to be the drug that
saves us? Is it going to be Satan or is
it going to be God? And you know, like the
demonic activity, for example, it's just it's manifesting in temptation
and deception, addiction, fear, anxiety, physical affliction, everything.

Speaker 5 (01:33:47):
And I think that to some point everyone on this
earth as some of that. Yeah, absolutely, because we are
all lost at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Yeah. And Christ gives authority over all of that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
And and the reality of that is like, once you
give up those things to God, to Christ, to Jesus,
he has authority of all that. You don't have to
go through any of that, right, I mean, and it
sounds nuts, but you don't technically have to, even in
the worst of the worst situations. And so Jesus is
authority over demons. Talking about that, Mark through twenty seven says,

(01:34:20):
Jesus commands an unclean spirit to come out of a man.
And this is what we're talking about as far as
the exorcism, that Jesus commanded the unclean spirit to come out.
Luke ten seventeenth through nineteen says, Lord, even the devils
are subject unto us through thy name, Jesus said, behold,
I give you unto you power to tread on serpents
and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
And so this is kind.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
Of Jesus commanding some of his disciples and the people
that are following him to I give you the same
commandments and power to clean the spirits of man. That
they are possessed, like we talked about the Catholic religion
for example, and so the name of Jesus, this is
supreme authority. No demon can stand when confronted in his
name by a believer walking in faith and obedience.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
And so we go back to, uh, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
Sherry, the time at the river where we had those
orbs that showed up and and you would you, we would,
you would.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Talk to them or whatever whatever you did. I don't
know what you did exactly, but these things would show up.

Speaker 3 (01:35:20):
They would show up on the other side of bushes
and these are bright lights and whatever. And yes, absolutely
the first and second time, I was like, okay, this
is this is wild. And I did, I think after
five or six minutes, because I either thought it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Was homeless people somehow that made it into the woods
were scared. Well, I just said I I said, I believe.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
In Jesus Christ and he's my savior, and I'm not
scared of you and I and you know, they disappeared immediately.
And I know that sounds like that crazy, but that's
literally what happened. Sherry got mad at me actually because
I said that and they disappeared, and I know, you
might be like, oh my god, this dude's crazy. Look
I'm not one of those people that are that are
that are like that. I'm never like that. As far

(01:36:01):
as like, oh yeah, we saw these orbs and these
spirits and then I commanded Jesus and they disappeared. I'm
just telling you what happened in this particular case, and
they did disappear. So the spiritual war and our weapons,
the awareness of this battle. Two Kings six sixteen through
seventeen says, fear not, for they that be with us
are more than that be with them. And Alicia prays that,

(01:36:23):
and God opens his servants' eyes to see the mountain
full of horses and chariots of fire. So if God
opened our eyes right now, you'd see angels surrounding You're
protecting and fighting and interceding in your life right now.
So if you could see that, beyond what the world
tells us to see, you would see that God does
have those angels, that protection that is fighting for you

(01:36:44):
if you just let them. I think that's the biggest message.

Speaker 5 (01:36:46):
Yeah, well, and that message goes to that too, though,
what if those were angels fighting for me?

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
I don't think so. But that's just what it could be.
I don't think so, but I think so. But I'm
not going to argue that point. I'm just saying that
I maybe maybe you're right, it couldn't.

Speaker 5 (01:37:04):
Have been my guardian angels or.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Maybe right, maybe right, But I just find it weird
they would disappear when I say Jesus.

Speaker 5 (01:37:10):
Yeah, Well, I don't know, but I just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
But that's my only point.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
So Ephesian six eleven through eighteen says, put on the
whole armor of God, that ye may be able to
stand against the wiles of the devil, the belt of truth,
the blastombly of righteousness, the shoes of the Gospel of peace,
the shield of faith, helmet of salvation, sort of spirit,
word of God, prayer in the spirit. So you don't
fight demons with emotion. You fight them with the Word
of God, faith, and the authority of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
That is how you fight demons.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
Timothy one four to one says, now the Spirit speaketh
expressively that in the latter times some shall depart from
faith given heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
And this talks about as.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
The end times draw near, there's going to be more
people that leave the Word, that leave God, that leave
the belief in Jesus and the power of God and
the power of Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
And I think we're seeing that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:04):
We're seeing it now that there is so many people
that are atheists and don't believe in God. You know,
I don't even care what religion, but they just don't
even believe in God anymore. Yes, And that's where I
feel like the spiritual warfare is coming to earth is
because there's so many people turning their cheek, you know,

(01:38:25):
they're turning away from God.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:38:27):
And I don't know about you guys, but when I
was growing up, everyone really, you know, the at least
you believed in God.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
Well, and then you know, here here's a big one too.
Matthew twenty four to twenty four says that for their
shall arise false Christ and false prophets, and shall show
great signs and wonders.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
So if it were possible, that shall deceive the very elect.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
So meaning there are going to be figures, people, factions,
nations whoever that may they arise and deceive even the
very elect, the very people that you thought that you
could not deceive. The very people that have their word
strong in Jesus and God. There are going to be
these factions of people that arise and deceive them. And

(01:39:16):
it talks about this Revelation sixteen fourteen says, for they
are the spirits of devils, working miracles which go forth
unto the kings of the earth. So even global leaders
can be influenced by demonic powers. But yet God still
reigns supreme. And these global leaders often will have connection

(01:39:36):
to some way to make you believe that they are
who you need to go and bow down to, or
they are who you need to believe they or who
you need to detect. But the Bible says even them
are working for the spirits of the devil. They're working miracles.
But as they go forth, they will be the kings
maybe of the earth. But I am still God and
I reign supreme. So keep that in mind.

Speaker 5 (01:39:57):
Well that's very interesting because I think about Trump when
you talk about this verse. You know that God is
doing all these amazing things here on earth, you know,
stopping wars. Just tomorrow, all the rest of the forty
eight hostages will be released, hopefully.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Unless he gets blown.

Speaker 5 (01:40:15):
Up in Israel. But when I think about Trump. I
don't think about him as the most Christian president in America,
nor do I ever think he was. I don't think
he's the most religious. Yes, he goes with religion and
believes in religion, and he says he's a Christian, but

(01:40:36):
he's not the Christian that goes to church every Sunday,
you know, and preaches it all. He's just I think
that he has Christian beliefs, but I'm saying that he
is not this person that spiritual warfare can necessarily get

(01:40:58):
over on him.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
I guess now, well, yeah, I mean Trump may not be,
you know, the best or biggest Christian.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
I don't think he is at all. Actually, I mean,
I'd never remember through.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
Trump's leniacy, him talking about how much he believed in
God and Jesus until he needed to pander to conservatives.
Although he used to say that he was more Democrat
than a Republican, and then once he decided to run conservative,
then of course you got to be all about America
and God, because if you're not, then you know you're
going to lose that base of people to vote for you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
One percent.

Speaker 5 (01:41:27):
Well, I think that Trump is more like me. He
believes in God. He's not so much like a man
made religion, but I think he does believe in God.

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
Well, Jesus is I don't think Jesus is a man
made religion, but even God to some degree, you would
have to say that would be a man made religion.
Also because someone eventually or at some point in time
came up with the concept of God. And then so
if you're saying that Jesus is man made, then you
also have to believe that God is man made.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
So just keeping it that is interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
But anyway, so it also talks about walking light Ephesians
five eleven, and I have no fellowship with the unfruitful
works of darkness, but rather reprove them, keep faith and hope.
For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor
angels nor principalities shall be able to separate us from
the love of God.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
And I do believe that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
And so the whole message I guess of this is
that there's obviously an unseen war raging all around us.
And I do believe that the victory and our salvation
and what is to come is already written. I've said
the whole thing that has already written many times before
when we talk about like, well, what's the world going
to look like ten years from now or twenty years

(01:42:35):
from how or one hundred years from now. And I've
always said, like, no matter what, whatever we think.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
About, whatever we worry about, whatever we.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
Get in our minds about the way the world is going,
it is already written. The same angels that stood with Daniel,
the same power that raised Christ from the dead, and
the same spirit that fills every single person that believes
in God and Jesus today they all stand on our
side more going out every single day in this world.
The devil may roar, but he's already been defeated and

(01:43:05):
he always will be. So what I'm saying here is
is that, and this is something I've been thinking a
lot about, but like, stand firm in what you believe,
speak the truth, and if you believe in Jesus, and
I have come to conclusion for sure that I believe
in Jesus, just speak and walk in the authority of Jesus.

(01:43:27):
Because when you do that, just the same way that
I believe that night by the river, when these orbs
and these and there was no doubt it was orbs.
There was not homeless people. It was not card lights,
it was nothing. These were bright lights that came from
the other side of this bush. I know that sounds crazy.
Sherry was talking these things. She wanted to see these
orbs or alien type whatever this thing was. I didn't

(01:43:48):
feel good about it. I felt it and my soul.
I felt at my chest. You could almost just kind
of feel that pressure. And that's when I said, just
so you know, I believe in Jesus Christ. You do
not scare me. You're not going to do anything to us.
We are protected by Jesus. Literally, as soon as we
did that, they were gone. Same thing happened twice actually
in a row. And so even though that may be

(01:44:09):
like a weird thing it talks about, you know, just
walk in the authority of Jesus Romans sixteen twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
This is the only thing I'll say is and the.

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
God of Peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. So,
no matter what you're going through, no matter what struggles
you're dealing with, no matter how much anger or pain
or addiction or whatever you have in your life is
going on, just understand the Bible's already talked about and
the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet
shortly and every single thing I believe that we constantly
and consistently go through that hurts us, that destroys us,

(01:44:41):
that sets us back, that were sad about, or depressed about.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
Or angry about.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
I do believe that you know that doesn't necessarily have
to represent who you are and who you are tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
You know that's the thing. I'm not perfect, not even close.

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
And so when I I'm talking about is Jesus thing,
understand You're not hearing this from a preacher I am
literally probably would get kicked out of some churches. I mean,
but what I'm saying is that you just have to
understand that there is light beyond whatever you're dealing with.
And I think that's important to know and whether and

(01:45:20):
for me it's Jesus. For me, it's like the more
I've studied in forty plus years, didn't believe, grew up believing,
didn't believe, and then just studied and researched the same
way I would study in research like who's corrupted, who isn't,
what's truth?

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
What isn't. The number one thing that led me.

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
Back to is Jesus is God is that power, and
that power is there for all of us.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
It really is.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
The power is there for all of us, and especially
when you feel helpless, especially when you feel helpless, because
Jesus went to the people that were down on themselves,
the people that were thieves, the tax collectors, that people
that were that felt just abolished by the world. Jesus
went to those people because those people not only needed

(01:46:09):
him the most, but those people also were the most
likely to receive what he was about to show them.
Because sometimes when our life feels too perfect or too
great or too good, we often miss the struggles and
miss the star in that struggle.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
If that makes any sense.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
Yeah, I mean, think about how many people that are multimillionaires,
that have Lamborghinis and all these multimillion.

Speaker 5 (01:46:34):
Dollars, they don't have stuff going on in their life.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
Well they don't, but they don't. They don't.

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
But the weird thing about it is is that I
think that that their religion for a very long time,
in so many cases was money, right. It was like,
how can I make the most amount of money to
make me the most amount of happiness.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
And when they get to that maximum level of what
they believe.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
Is the mountaintop of happiness where you have all the
money and everything at your disposal, and then you realize
that you were miserable and you still feel like you
have nothing. There's a reason for that, because the Bible
talks about that you should not you know, instead of
instead of And this is one of my struggles, is like,
don't be selfish, don't be don't be this like it's

(01:47:17):
Life's not about racking up the emost amount of money
you can possibly have. Life's about helping other people and
and and making other people's life better.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
That's really what it's about.

Speaker 5 (01:47:29):
You should see my eyes right now looking at it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
I know I'm saying. I mean, I'm just saying like that.
I listen, I should, you should do what you preach, bro,
I get it, But listen, I have been jaded in
my past, and I understand I've been jaded.

Speaker 3 (01:47:43):
Oh sorry, I understand I've been jaded. But also the
Bible says that you should even.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
If you're jaded, even if you've been screwed over.

Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
I mean, the Bible doesn't say that, But what I'm
saying is that you can't hold other people at account
for that, right, you know, I guess what I'm saying,
and I have been jaded, and it's so hard to
get past that. Sometimes it's so hard to be like, well,
you know what I did this for someone. They screwed
me over continuously, continuously, continuously, and then eventually in the
world you're like, okay, well I've been screwed over twenty

(01:48:14):
eight times in the past, however long and now all
of a sudden this person comes along that says, oh,
I'm not going to screw you over, but I need help.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
I don't know anyway. I'm not even going to go there.
I'm going to end this right now because because.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
The point is is that I'm trying to tell the
reality of like the Bible of Jesus, and Jesus in
the Bible is much better than I am, A billion
times better than I am, and that's why I need
Jesus the most. Probably, you know, I have huge struggles
with the way I am or my thoughts or processes

(01:48:49):
one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
So I'm never going to deny like I you know,
I will never.

Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
Be the person that's like, oh, guys, you need to
believe in this because you guys are bad.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
I'm like, no, just look at me.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
Like, I'm not saying like a murderers, but I'm just
saying I have a lot of stuff that I want
to get better. I'm constantly every single day trying to
figure out how to get better. And I think the
more that I try to take off of myself to
make myself better, realizing I can't make myself better in
certain avenues, that's the only way that you can go
as Jesus and God, and you got to you have

(01:49:23):
to have faith and put everything into that belief. And
I think that it's been proven time and time again
throughout history that that does happen.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
So that's gonna be it. It wasn't meant to be
a sermon, but I.

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
Do just want you to know that all the demons
that are in front of your feet tomorrow, just understand
that Jesus can take all of that away if you
let him.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
And until next time, guys, we love you.

Speaker 1 (01:49:46):
Peace out, guys, standing tu yelling glory to the same,
and we flow, we read, we rise again the fall
of the pain.

Speaker 11 (01:50:04):
We try so hard to feel safe.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
All enough way, Oh, keeping his rest with the light,
keeping the restI.

Speaker 11 (01:50:19):
With the life, light in the fire for the night,
Let it burn, keep beside, keep the stirring up the night.
There's a miracle.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
Line all the many side about harm colt side of home.

Speaker 11 (01:50:39):
You will never run alone on the loan.

Speaker 14 (01:50:44):
Ress all the time, feel my self def lose my
houself too much hard, But we.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
Fall, we read, we rise again.

Speaker 14 (01:51:02):
The far depend you try so hard you feel safe.

Speaker 11 (01:51:08):
It's on the bad.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
Always keeping those restless with the lights, keeping thus rest
with the life, Always keeping us restless with the.

Speaker 14 (01:51:30):
Lies, keeping those restles.

Speaker 15 (01:51:32):
With the line, always keeping us restless with the lights,
keeping thus restless with the light, Always keeping those restless

(01:51:58):
with the life.

Speaker 11 (01:52:00):
Give me rest, dace weird love.

Speaker 15 (01:52:11):
Always give me us restace wed the lie.

Speaker 11 (01:52:15):
Give me your rest, Dace weird lo

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