Charlie Kik Predicted His Own Death? Candace Owens Shares Prophetic Texts

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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hello, and welcome to Investigators podcast. I'm your host Shad
alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're diving
into a story that's just starting to unfold. Candice O
One's return from vacation and released a new video today
revealing more text messages between her and Charlie Kirk from
years before his assassination. She describes those messages as prophetic,
a moment where Charlie expressed a feeling. It now carries

(00:53):
a different weight in hindsight. She didn't claim it as evidence,
but the time and tone of what she shared has
already arked early waves and reactions online, as Candace usually does,
and not everyone's talking about it yet, but the conversation
is beginning to heat up fast. A growing number of
critics are already calling her reckless, accusing her of fuel
and speculation and stirring up sensitive wounds. Others see it

(01:14):
is her simply sharing something personal that she believes matters,
and tonight we're going to break down what was actually said,
examine the early responses, and look at why this could
grow into something much bigger. Obviously, candae O and Sherry
has been making waves online, especially after the Charlie Kirk assassination,
and so I felt like that we had to talk
about this because I cannot even tell you since we

(01:35):
covered the Charlie Kirk assassination, since Candace has been covering it,
the amount of messages that people have just reached out
and said, you know, what do you guys think?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Did you see Candas's video? So we're going to break
down her newest video today. We're not probably going to
play the entire video completely, but we are going to
play the most important parts, and then we're also going
to talk about what people online are actually saying about Candace.
And I'm telling you, guys, I get a lot of
you guys in our telegram that also have your opinion.
You've listened to other people and you're like, Candace is psycho,

(02:05):
she's a lunatic, she's crazy, and then there's others it's like, no,
Candace is just fighting for her friend, as Charlie. You know,
actually the text messages today, which we'll talk about, is
kind of what Charlie said to her years back. So
we're going to talk about all of that on the show.
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It just shows you what the truth is and there's
a certain frequency for truth.

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I think you need to. You have an excellent voice.
That was one of the reasons that I first fell
in love with you, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Is because of your voice.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
And I used to make Chad sing to me for
like an hour a night every night. He would just
sing songs over and over again.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
No, I mean, well, music was such a big part
of our life in the beginning anyway, so and it's
been a part of my life for a long time,
and I do miss music, but especially with just like
I said in the last episode, with the tools that
we were afforded and offered today, there's a lot of
stuff that we can do with music, and we're going
to try our very best to do that tell stories
through music that maybe we can't necessarily convey the way
that music can on the show. And so I'm not

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saying that everything that we're going to release is going
to have something to do with what we talk about
on the show. I mean, I want to have some
music that, you know, kind of tell stories of maybe
if you're going through relationship problems, or or you're in
a relationship that you're fighting, or you feel like you're
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messages that can uplift you and maybe help you guys

(04:20):
get through whatever that time period is. Because Sharon and
I have been through yeah, kind of at all.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
And so we have kind of been through Helen back
and we're still together. It is so funny because when
we first started dating, everybody's like, oh, this marriage is
never going to work. It never going to work, You're
never going to make it. I think you'll be divorced
within a year. And all those people that are talking
crap about us are now divorced and we're still together.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah. Literally, I think almost all of those people and
I know exactly who you're talking about, but almost every
one of those people are divorced now or not together,
and some of them are divorced two and three times.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, they've been remarried and divorced again, and you're still together.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah. It's funny because you know, oftentimes, you know, even
with people that kind of trash talk you or put
you down or negative towards you, oftentimes this stuff that's
happened in their lives that they want you to feel
like you're also just in the same place or you're
not as strong as they are.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Or or and I hate to say it, but a
lot of women after they break up with their man,
their husband or their boyfriend, they want their friends to
now be single. And I think that does play a
huge product in relationships.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, it does. Well, I mean, you know, they always say,
and women you can you know, either hate me for
this or agree, but they always say a single girl,
or especially a newly single woman is like the worst
thing for a good relationship, meaning like especially if your
friend just recently got divorced or broke up with someone,
and then you're like, hey, come hang out with me.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Let's go to the bar, let's go hang out and
check out the men.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, that's exactly what they want to do, though, like
someone that's newly divorced, newly out of a relationship, you know,
and they drag in like a happily married woman. Stuff
like that happens all the time. So we've also had
some of that in the past as well. But either way,
we are here to talk about Candie Owans and the
Charlie Kirk assassination. Obviously, we have covered this story probably
three or four times, and for everyone that is wondering,

(06:13):
like why are you still talking about Charlie Kirk Well,
people are asking the same question to Candis Owans, And
Candae actually made a very good point on her show
today and she's like, you know, look, if you and
your message or your whole goal every morning is to
get me to stop talking, like you would have a
better chance of trying to get the sun not to
come up than to get me to shut up. And

(06:34):
that's kind of the way that you know, we all
should be about things that we don't necessarily feel right.
That's why we did the last episode talking about Epstein.
No matter who is in office right now, no matter
who was in power and control, no matter who we
voted for at one point in time, it doesn't change facts,
and it doesn't change like when things seem to be
not going the way that you know truthfully they should be,

(06:56):
then you have to expose us. You have to talk
about those Now. I know a lot of you out
there that I've been listening and following along with Candas Owens,
and especially if you've been on social media. There's a
lot of people nowadays that are just so easy to influence.
And so if you go online after candass Owans releases
a video, and then the next two or three days
you will see this mass coordinated effort to take her down,

(07:19):
to try to make her look psychotic and crazy, and
you name it, They're gonna do their very best to
do that. Now, do I think that Candie Owens is
psychotic or crazy?

Speaker 5 (07:28):
No?

Speaker 1 (07:28):
I do not, And I'm going to go ahead and
tell you why. Well, Number one, there's a question A
lot of people have asked, well, why would you believe
Candace Owens over the people at Turning Point USA or
other political or I guess you can say, just influencers
in general over on x or Facebook and Instagram when
a lot of these people are journalist and Candis Owens
don't know shit. The reality is is that Candie Owens

(07:50):
was a part of Charlie Kirk's life for many, many years.
She toured college campuses with Charlie Kirk. She knew the
inside and out of Turning Point USA, although she had
not done that recent You know, Candie Owens was a
close friend of Charlie Kirk. And I still think that
Candice Owens and Charlie Kirk was a friend to each
other up until the day he died. What I do
think is that in those last six months to a year,

(08:14):
especially as this Israel discussion started heating up, whether it
be with people like you know, Tucker Carlson or Candas Owans,
you know, it was a lot of the donors at
Turning Point USA and also a lot of the people
inside of Turning Point USA that tried their very best
to kind of pull Charlie Kirk away from those influences.
And it wasn't just you know, Candis Owans. It was

(08:36):
people like Tucker Carlson. And in a recent Turning Point
USA big event they just had two weeks ago, actually
who was the keynote speaker at this event. It was
Tucker Carlson, which was pretty surprising to me. But it
was also almost like I felt like Turning Point USA
almost had to bring Tucker Carlson out because they're like, look, see, guys,
we don't hate Tucker Carlston. No one's influencing us to

(08:59):
say this or not say this. And so yes, Tucker
Crosson did come out. He was a keynote speaker at
a recent event. And although I don't think that they
will be having Candice Owens back to an event anytime soon,
one of the things that Cannis Owens I believe is
trying to do. Is she's trying to you know, as
anybody should. If you had a friend and you had

(09:20):
worked on something like Turning Point USA, and you had
this relationship with someone as long as they did, if
you were assassinated and things started to not add up,
then I think it is your mission. It should be
your goal to expose and turn over every single leaf
that you possibly can to find the truth.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
And there's a lot of people out there saying that
Candace is just trying to make money off of Charlie Kirk,
and I don't think that is so because they were
really good friends and they stayed in contact. She shows
the text throughout their life history together.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
She was really kind of like his mentor in the beginning.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Absolutely, and then he became her mentor the later part
of their relationship. And like Chad was saying, Charlie Kirk
did come out and say to Tucker Carlson, yes, I
want you to come. There are people that are saying
they don't want you to come out here and do this,
but I want you to come out here, and I
want you to speak, and I don't want you to
hold back from anything that you want to hold back from, Like,

(10:18):
in other words, if you want to speak about Israel, No,
he didn't think about Israel.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
No.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Charlie Kirk literally told him, Yeah, make sure you talk
about Israel because this is something that our youth really
needs to be talking about. This is something that they
need to be exposed to. And you know, if you
bring someone like Tucker Carlson in which yes, a lot
of young men do inspire to be like a Tucker
Carlson or a Charlie Kirk or whatever the case is,
especially conservative influencer type pathways, and you know, it's just

(10:46):
like with Nick Fuinntas for example. You know Nick has
been staunchly against I guess you can say can to
so one since the Charlie Kirk assassination. Very very strange really,
to be honest with you, especially considering Nick Fuinntes. Basically,
I don't only just criticize and call out Israel. He
literally just seems like he hates Jews in general exactly.
And yet now all of a sudden he is holier

(11:07):
than now. And Candace Owens is the grifter, and she's
the one that's just trying to make money off of
Charlie Kirk's assassination. And we do actually have a couple
of clips that we're going to play in just a
moment about Nick Fuintes talking about the recent videos and
comments by Candas Owens. So what we're going to try
to do with this episode is we're going to try
to just sift through all the noise, sift through all

(11:30):
the bs and all the stuff that you guys are seeing.
We're just going to give you our honest to god
opinions about who we think might be closer to the truth.
Or are the people that are criticizing Candis Owans that
are online that are saying she's psychotic and lunatic, are
they actually closer to the truth. Is Candis Owens losing
her shit? Is she losing her mind? Now? Candace has

(11:50):
been gone for a couple of weeks and she's been
out on vacation. What she explains in her video out
in Wyoming, she went out there to fish. She went
out there to kind of escape and get away, and
you know that's something that she felt like she kind
of had to do reset, especially after the assassination, and
as she said on the show, I'm just now starting
to process it, to process and realize that, you know,
Charlie is not coming back, and and that's that's something

(12:14):
very hard to do. I mean, I've lost a very
close friend before, and obviously he wasn't on the stature
as far as his legacy and and be it be
I guess becoming a martyr after this as Charlie was.
But you know, I think Charlie kirk'ssassination really hit us
all hard. And you know, we were talking which we're
going to have a podcast coming out very soon with
a girl that's on the ground in Portland, Oregon, where

(12:37):
you know, she had talked about so many influencers, especially
on the right, patriots, the people that are either conservative
or Republican or just patriots of their country that are
showing up in mass especially in places like Portland or
places where Antifa is showing up, and especially after the
Charlie Kirk assassination, it kind of it drove something inside

(12:57):
of them that they felt like, hey, I have a
bigger purpose then maybe whatever it is I'm doing or
not doing right now in my life. And so if
there's one thing I can do is the stand up
for my flag. It is the stand up for this country,
and it is to fight back against the people that,
you know, especially antifa. You know. And someone had said
on the video, actually we had posted on our Instagram
and they said, you morons, Antifa is actually a great term.

(13:20):
And I'm like, yeah, you are completely correct. The term
antifa is a good term anti fascism. I don't think
any of us wants fascism. Unfortunately, their definition of what
fascism actually is is that is well, yeah, technically is
mostly them and a lot of these people are Marxists.
They hate all government, they hate all states and all people.
But you know, what they're trying to do is like

(13:42):
they're trying to make it like Antifa is this you know,
tyranny fighting group that you know, the Trump administration or
Republicans or whoever are the ones that are coming down
on Americans. They're trying to suspend their free speech or whatever.
But the reality is these same people they don't like
the Second Amendment. They want to take away your guns,
they want to take away your freedom of speech. That's

(14:02):
not theirs. They basically want all of the constitutional rights
afforded to them. They just don't want the constitutional rights
afforded to you. And if these people like this had
power and they had a presidency and administration, they would
be the tyrannical dictators that they are literally fighting against, supposedly.
And there's just so much weirdness going on in this world.

(14:23):
And every single day Charlie Kirk talked to people like this.
He confronted them face to face and he said, what
is it that you have a problem with this country?
What do you believe? And even when people would criticize
them or laugh at those people because of whatever their
take was on whatever it was they were talking to
Charlie about, Charlie always made sure to say, look, guys,
let's respect the fact that he's up here, he's on

(14:44):
the microphone. He's not scared to do that or she
and you know, he's at least talking to me, right,
because that's exactly. That's where all things go bad is
when we quit.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Talking, exactly, And it's the fact that we can come
together and talk, and that's what Charlie was trying to do.
I just think that too, that our opinions matter a
lot to everyone's opinions that matter a lot. And I
think that chat and I might have varying opinions and
that's okay because I think we need to see both sides, yeah,

(15:14):
and how they play out together.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Absolutely, So I do want to get to a clip.
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on there. So let's just talk about this. A few
days ago, while I guess Candice Owen's was on vacation,
she does this book club right to where she does
these live videos. I don't know if it's on her

(16:58):
channel or what it's exactly on, but she had posted
an hour video hour and a half, and I guess
this is where, like some of our listeners follow they
communicate and talk about the book, obviously just like a
book club does. But kind of towards the end, she
started talking about some of the stuff that she had
been thinking, especially on vacation, and so everybody went after
Cana so OANs, especially after this particular comment. We're going

(17:21):
to go ahead and play that now and we'll just
kind of give you our thoughts on what we think.
And this is before the episode today, but this is
what everyone, everyone has been pissed off about the past
three or four days. Here it is.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
Needed to just take a breather and really process everything
that happened with Charlie and what it kind of means
in terms of.

Speaker 7 (17:41):
Where we are.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
And I think it is a circumstance where we all
we just know, we just know that he was truly
betrayed in one of the most egregious ways that I
think I've ever seen. It has made me lose faith
in politics. It has made me fully lose faith in Trump.
And I'm just like, I just my heart aches for

(18:03):
the fact that he gave so much of his life
to Trump into politics, and they just were like, Nope,
that is it.

Speaker 7 (18:11):
It serves us or it doesn't serve us, and we
want to move on.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
And so here's a holiday, bro, if they try to
give me a holiday, what is what them giving people a.

Speaker 7 (18:19):
Holiday after they kill them? Why is that a thing?
You know what I mean? Like, oh, Marin Luther King?
What about this holiday? What about this boulevard?

Speaker 6 (18:25):
Anyways, let me get they're gonna give Chilie Cook a bulevard.
They already did, they did in Israel. They gave him
freaking bullet. It's like, as soon as they give you
a boulevard in a holiday, they definitely killed you. There's
no question they killed you. There's no way. That's like
their signature thing. It's like that's what they do. It's
the fed signature currently sign off after they murder you.
So like holiday in a boulevard, and it's never on

(18:47):
a nice side of town either, like Charlie Kirk boulevard
is not gonna be a nice side town.

Speaker 7 (18:52):
Anyways. I will be back on the twenty seventh. You guys,
thank you guys for all was for.

Speaker 6 (18:56):
Throughout these a couple of weeks, these last really kind
of six weeks since Charlie died and we will see
you guys then, all.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Right, So that is the video that everybody is up
in arms about. A lot of people say that she
is blaming Trump, and she is blaming only Trump, but
his administration they had something to do with Arley kirk'ssassination,
or maybe she's saying that they were complicit in possibly
being forthcoming or you know, kind of in public viewpoint
on where they're at right now with the investigation. Although obviously,

(19:26):
as we do all know that if you are in
the middle of an investigation, that's not necessarily something that
you just come out with all of your evidence to
the public, because then that compromises your case. But I
think specifically, she seems to be saying something more than that.
I think she knows that it's not about the fact
that maybe Cash Betel or Pam Bondi isn't coming out
with the evidence that they have or at least telling

(19:48):
us like, is there other people involved? And if there are,
who are they? I don't necessarily think that's where she's gone.
So a lot of people, automatically, especially to people that
are pro Trump or like I cannot believe she's trying
to blame Trump. Now, I do not know right now
where Candace is getting this from. I have no idea.
I don't know exactly what she's meaning. We do know that,

(20:09):
you know, obviously, MAGA, the MAGA movement, Turning Point USA,
Charlie Kirk, and all the people within Turning Point USA
are heavily connected basically by the hip with each other.
I mean, the MAGA movement almost would not have been
possible without Turning Point USA. And so what Candas also
believes is that there are people inside of Turning Point

(20:30):
USA that have been complicit or maybe even involved in
the assassination of Charlie Kirk. This is just some of
the things that she has insinuated as as over the
past couple of months. Right, Obviously, there's a lot of
people that said that she said that directly is real
as the one that was responsible for Charlie Kirk's assassination,

(20:51):
and that is real killed Charlie Kirk, although she did not.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Necessarily so indirectly said it.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
I guess yeah, she just kind of pointing out a
lot of the evidence. You know. One of the things
that you know, the name of her actual show today
that she released was called setting the bait. And it's
so interesting because on telegram last night, we were talking
with our with some people on telegram and I said,
you know, she's about to come out with a new show.
She just did this video that you guys just heard

(21:17):
just a few days ago while she was in Wyoming,
kind of almost as a lead up into the show today.
But I think more than anything, what she's trying to
do is set the bait. She's been doing that this
entire time. When she said that, hey, I have text
messages that prove that Charlie Kirk basically disavowed his relationship
and the communication or whatever it is between him and

(21:39):
Israel just forty eight hours before he died. Well, what
happened when she said that, Well, first she said it,
she said it on a show, she didn't show any
text messages, and the internet went wild, I mean went wild.
Everybody that either was is pro Israel, a pro Zionist,
or maybe even some of those seventy thous seven five

(22:02):
hundred dollar influencers that may be getting paid by a
packer or an Israel faction or some type of US
Republican lobby. You'll see it almost like lock and step.
When Candie Owans came out with a video. There were
thousands of big accounts that were posting damn near identical things,
colin her psycho, Colin he or a lunatic callin her crazy,

(22:24):
saying that she is mentally unstable, mentally unwell. And then
they were saying that, you know, Candice Owens is blaming
Trump for the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Now, I don't
know that that's what you would take from this necessarily.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
When she says, when they kill him, they make a
street after them or and make their name the street
name after them, it's kind of like Martin Luther King
or yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
By the way, never go near Martin Luther King.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah places, And she said it'll be a dangerous street,
just like Martin Luther King. Streets are usually dangerous places
to go. Yeah, Martin, Susan, they did that is when
they made a day all about him, and it's because
they killed him. And she's talking about they, Well, who
makes streets? Who designates days to people? Well, the government does.

(23:14):
And that's why to me, she's placing blame on the
government or placing blame on Trump.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah. Well, and also she said I can't verify it.
I don't haven't looked this up, but I guess somewhere
in Israel they made a Charlie Kirk street or whatever
is what she said. I have no idea, but yeah.
So she also went on to say, like Sherry said,
you know, if they're going to make a holiday after you,
or they're going to give you a street, they probably
killed you. And that's kind like the federal government sign off,
Hey we killed him, give them a street or holiday,

(23:41):
do whatever. Now, you guys might think that she's crazy
and everything that she just said in that video, and
you know, it's very possible she might be going crazy.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
Now.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Ryan Matta actually also had come out with something saying,
over the next twenty four hours, you're going to see
every single pro Israel propaganda network and every seven thousand
dollars shekel chasing pundit attacks and they're gonna all attack
Candie Owans and I don't necessarily disagree. Now, for those
that know anything about Steven Crowder, now, Stephen Crowder has

(24:11):
been a huge Republican influencer for a very long time
until he got banned and then re brought back onto
YouTube and it banned again, and.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Well, wasn't he actually the original that started going out
to college campuses even before Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, So Steven Crowder started what was called change my Mind.
And so I don't know if any of you guys
have ever seen the memes where it's funny like people
will do memes. I'll just say, you know, change my mind,
and it'll have some crazy thing in the background or
just something funny. And it all came from Stephen Crowder.
He's literally the one that kind of was one of
the originators, especially in this generation of you know, Republican

(24:48):
influencers going to college campuses putting a microphone either in
front of them or maybe Stephen Crowder usually just brought
the people right next to him and he had a
one on one, face to face conversation. And you know,
most of these people would be far lefter liberals, and
obviously they would talk about certain issues whatever they wanted
to talk about, so whether that's gun control or abortion
or the presidency whatever. So you know, he was one

(25:12):
of the ones that started this. So Stephen Crowder came
out this was after that video you guys just listened to,
and this is what he had to say about Candicellans.

Speaker 8 (25:22):
Well, Charlie's wife, Erica Kirk, who has now been put
Candae with that language, with this accusation, has put the
wife of Charlie Kirk. And she'll say, that's not what
I try to do. It is it's the result Erica
Kirk in the crosshairs. It's not like you have to
look through six degrees of separation.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
This is when they're showing Erica Kirk coming out at
the vigil for Charlie Kirk and hugging Donald Trump as
they kind of caress each other. And this is right before.

Speaker 9 (26:03):
Her speech, and you can see post after post and
article after article with both Kirks, but certainly Erica praising,
thanking President Trump, discussing how important his support has been.

Speaker 8 (26:26):
So if the Trump administration, if the FED killed Charlie Kirk. Look,
there's no middle ground here right now. Either Erica Kirk
is evil and was in on it, or Candae Owens
is an evil I hope I'm being really clear about

(26:48):
that and saying, well, we shouldn't connect all the dots.
Just that is not an excuse when there is a
grieving family right now who left holding the bag. But
you know very well we'll put this will put Erica
Kirk in the crosshairs. Let me ask you this, if
you were killed, If you were killed and someone out

(27:13):
there for clicks, clickbait headlines went out and espoused conspiracy
theories with zero evidence that put your wife or your
husband in the crosshairs where you knew, after you had passed,
that the person you love was going to have to
deal with fallout and accusations of killing you and villainized.

(27:36):
It probably be as close to coming back as a
haunting as you could possibly hope for. Right, Either Erica
Kirk is in on this, and just to be clear,
that's obviously rhetoric. Of course she's not, and of course
there's no evidence that she was. And of course there
will be some very unstable people, which is by design
from Candas who will accuse me of being paid by
the Trump administration or Massada or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
I answered all the crop here.

Speaker 8 (27:59):
Either Erica Kirk is evil and assisted conspired with the
Trump administration to kill her husband Charlie Kirk, to assassinate
him in cold blood, or Candace Owens has officially crossed
the rubicon.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
To evil.

Speaker 8 (28:21):
Tell me if you disagree, and we'll take your chat
on it later, but those are my initial thoughts. And
I'm gonna call it gonna wheezl out. And I didn't
say that, and I didn't imply that, And we're just
asking questions.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
You need to do better.

Speaker 8 (28:34):
One final thing people have talked about this Is it true?

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Is it not?

Speaker 8 (28:37):
Is that actually the sigh up where the left has
wanted to drive a wedge between those on the right.
Do you think that fracturing those on the right over
a baseless conspiracy that the most effective president in modern
American history kill one of the most effective public figures

(29:02):
in modern American history, who's survived by his wife, who
happens to be very close with a supportive president. I
couldn't think of a more effective wedge issue. So either way,
if it's stupidity or it's proactive evil, you must do better, sweetheart.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Question for the crew. All right, there you go. So
that is what Stephen Crowder had to say about Candace
Owens's videos, in particular video you guys just heard. And
one of the things I will say that I don't
necessarily one hundred percent think that he is correct on
is the zero evidence.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Yeah, that's what I wrote down no proof question mark.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, so that she does have proof, Well, she doesn't
have proof like who killed Charlie kur Any, she has
proof about text messages.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
She has proof she has inside like trade or information.
I guess with Turning Point, people are texting her things
that they want people to know that they're too afraid
to come out and say, yeah, I mean to me,
that's proof.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, you're exactly right. And it's not necessari proof of
who killed Charlie Kirk or anything else, but it is
very suspicious when you, like I said, the first time
that Kennice Owen said that she had text messages with
Charlie Kirk, this of allan Israel and everyone came after
her and attacked her for forty eight hours because they
thought Number one, at first, they thought she wasn't going

(30:19):
to ever share these texts and she never actually ever
said on the show when she said this, that she
was going to share the text. And I don't even
think that people knew at that point if she had
text or not. Now I can't call.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
People did because I was one of them, like, if
you have the proof, then.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Show us the proof. Yeah, And I don't even know
if that.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
And then I came back. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt,
but I had to come back and basically apologize because
she showed the proof she had text messages and I'm
not going to be wrong and not admit it.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, she came with proof. Yeah, and so that that
was the first thing. But like I said, I think
initially she did not. I don't even think she said
that that she'd actually had any text messages. She just
said that she had heard somewhere through the grape vine
someone told her at Turning Point USA these things had happened,
that Charlie Kirk had done this or had talked about

(31:10):
this with people inside Turning Point USA. People attacked her
during that, and then it was the show that she
actually unleashed these text messages. Then people after the text
matches came out saying that these text matches were faked,
that she had made these up, these were AI or
this was some type of manipulation, a photo manipulation, photoshop,
So it wasn't I think. Two days later, Turning Point

(31:31):
USA had to come out and say, no, these are
real text matches. We can confirm that these are real
text messes.

Speaker 10 (31:37):
Now.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Josh Hammer, for example, He was one of the ones
that was in this to text message exchange. Twenty four
hours prior to Candice actually coming out with the proof
that she had these texts, Josh Hammer went on these
podcasts and said that until the day that Charlie died,
there was zero evidence that he had this about Israel,
that he ever said anything negative about Israel. This is

(31:58):
before Josh Hammer actually knew that she had the text messages.
He didn't think that she had him. He just thought
that someone maybe had said something about this, and no
one was going to give her the actual text messages.
Unfortunately for him, they did give her the text messches
and then it proved that this Josh Hammer guy was lying.
Obviously he was lying because he was in the exchange.

(32:18):
He was one of the ones talking to Charlie, and
especially when Charlie said something about, Hey, I think I
really want to bring Candace. Yeah, bring, That's all I
was going to say.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
He also lied about that because he said he has
not talked to her, and he has not seen her,
and he has not done an event and he's not
planning on doing the event with Candace Owens for a
very long time.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
And that came out to be false.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, so there's obviously lies going on here. There's there
are people lying, and it's not in my opinion, especially
up until now Candace Owa's now, do I think that
Trump had Charlie Kirk killed? No, I do not. I
don't even know exactly what she's meaning by that one
hundred percent, but I don't think that Trump had Charlie
Kirk killed. Now, you could go down this rabbit hole,

(33:00):
right if you really wanted to kind of even speculate
on what she might even be talking about, if the
conspiracies ever turn out to have any credibility as far
as Israel goes whatsoever, which we don't have any clue
right now. We do know about where Charlie was, at
least I believe in his mind with Israel before he died.

(33:22):
But if you want to even connect any dots whatsoever
to the Trump administration in Charlie kirk'ssassination, you could say
it could be maybe because of an influence that Israel
has over the Trump administration that may have some type
of connection there, right, And so maybe there was something
there that maybe they either Masad or an intelligence agency

(33:43):
in the United States had some type of involvement in
this for whatever reason, maybe it was to literally kill
maybe future Israel dissent, Meaning like if Charlie Kirk started
coming out anti Israel or started to kind of shift
his narrative away from Israel and started to really have
these deep, deep conversations at Turning Point USA events and

(34:05):
having people like Candie Owens and Tuger Carlson here, that
is something that would be highly suspicious. No, no, no,
it would be very I guess you can say damaging
to Israel and the lobby of Israel inside of the
United States and especially in the conservative and Republican movement,
because as we've always heard, our children are our future,

(34:25):
and that is exactly who Turning Point USA and Charlie
Kirk were connected with, because let's face it, Israel's already
lost the other side, They've already lost the left as
far as their I guess pro Zionism or whatever you
want to call it. But if you have a figure
like Charlie Kirk that starts coming out and maybe starts
to distance himself from Israel, that's a very bad thing

(34:48):
for Israel.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Let me tell you what I think about what Candace's
message with this baiting the fish and getting the bait
ready and you know what we're going to see. I
don't necessarily think that she was going after Trump directly,
but I think she's going after the three letter agencies
like CIA, FBI. That's why she has a whole line

(35:09):
of clothing that's CIA, because she's going after those departments.
And if anyone was going to have.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Charlie Kirk killed, it would be the CIA, and possibly
Trump would not even know about it. You know, if
you think about it, if it's if CIA and either
Masad was involved in I look, I don't think CIA
would have been the one that's like, hey, we got
to kill Charlie Kirk necessarily.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
I mean, but they're the ones that do really all
the dirty work.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Well yeah, them Masad and whoever. But we also have
to understand, like the CIA was involved, like almost undoubtedly
in the jfk assassination, and because they do the Deep
States dirty work exactly, and so you know, how much
involvement did they have and how much was that a
part of you know, any of the I guess the

(35:55):
conspiracies or maybe some of these other theories around the
Charlie Kirk assassination. We don't know, but we do know that.
You know, it seems like if you just kind of
trace back intelligence agencies and how they work together Masad
and CI, many people can trace that back to Masad
and CIA. With the JFK thing Martin Luther King, I mean,
it's they they always have worked together and the weird

(36:17):
thing and if if you talk to CIA guys, and
so many of them said this, And even when we
brought Jason Hanson on, we had asked him this question,
even though he didn't really go too deep in anything,
but one of the things I wanted to ask him was,
you know, we've heard from other CIA guys that when
Massad comes to the United States, especially to CI headquarters,
like do they bug your place and all this stuff?

Speaker 3 (36:38):
He's like, absolutely, he did, and he also said it
was an open and shut case that there was nothing
more to look at.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Jason, Yeah, well of course. But but the reality is is, Jason,
is you got to you gotta be careful, like, especially
if they're CIA guys, if they're coming out and they're
coming on podcasts or coming on shows, you got to
be careful with what they say and how they say
it because they want to you know, it's almost like
the marine thing. Once a CIA guy, always a CIA guy.
And number one, everybody that goes on podcasts has ever

(37:09):
been a part of intelligence has to clear that through
this system to where they will submit. Hey, this is
what I can cannot say, especially if it's about a
certain topic. I almost guarantee you when Jason as soon
as to Charlie Kirk thing happened, if he was planning
on going on podcasts potentially talking about that, he had
to also go through and clear everything that he was
allowed and not allowed to say when it came to that.

(37:31):
I mean, that's just the way it is. I mean
that that's not a conspiracy theory. You guys can look
it up. They have to clear everything they do through
this special operation that they do through the government. And
even if they're writing a book, they're going to write
an essay, they're going to write an article, any of
that always has to go through this system in the
government that they have to clear everything that they're going
to talk about.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
And even if they are no longer working for No, absolutely, yeah,
they still have to clear it.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
That's for life.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
Like once a marine, always a marine.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Like you said, yeah, that is for life. So I
also want to talk about this too. You know, we
can't tell you with one hundred percent certainty that what
Candice Owen's is saying is true, at least as far
as some of the speculation the Trump involvement, that Israel
had something to possibly do with this. But there is

(38:18):
this Charlie Kirk cover up that seems to be happening.
And you know, for example, there are articles that have
recently come out and it says search warrants and Charlie
Kirk murder investigation have been sealed Provo Utah that says
search warrants that were served after the assassination of conservative
activists Charlie Kirk have been sealed by Utah judge. A

(38:39):
spokesperson for the Utah State Courts confirmed to Fox thirteen
News that this week that records are sealed at least
until March, and then on Fox thirteen Volume US evidence
and a gag order that could impact thousands in the
Robinson case, it says, prosecutors also discuss a gag order
that Fourth District Court Tommy Graff has entered in the case,
which could create problem. It forbids anyone associated with the

(39:02):
case from speaking to news media at all. So anybody
that is associated with his case are not allowed to
speak to any news media and the judges sealed basically everything.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Yeah, and that goes to even the court hearings.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Tyler Robinson was in court I think either today or
yesterday today and it was a closed hearing. There was
no cameras, there was nobody seeing what he looked like.
And there's a huge argument should he be in regular
like suit and tie a close or should he be
in jailer outfits. Yeah, and that was a whole topic,
and they were saying that as far as on Tyler's benefit,

(39:37):
they don't want the media to be present during any
kind of trials.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
But why would he not? Yeah, I know it's crazy.
I mean, especially considering if he has any inclination I'm sure,
as lawyers do about the conspiracies out there. And you
know this, this is regardless of whether Tyler was the
one that pulled the trigger or if he was working
with other people. If you are defense attorney for Tyler Robinson,
you are one hundred going to play into any conspiracy
theory this out there, because that's all it takes is

(40:04):
one person on a jury to not believe that he
is the shooter, and listen, there is some I guess
what you can say is there is danger with people
speculating and conspiratorizing. I guess you can say about is
Tyler Robinson the clear cut murder? Is he the guy
that actually pulled the trigger? And the reason why it

(40:24):
can be a danger to the actual prosecution is because
if there's going to be very hard for people on
the jury to not hear some of this noise. I mean,
that's just hard, especially as the time goes closer to
jury selection, it's going to start ramping up in the media.
And so whereas I do think that you know, as
we talked about you know, the federal government FBI, whoever,

(40:47):
DJ and Utah State prosecutors in law enforcement, you know,
they always say, well, we have to keep everything kind
of under our vest. We can't really show anything. We
can't tell you guys what we're actually working on. But
the reality also is is that the defense is definitely
going to use some of the conspiracy side of this
to their benefit, and so it would really benefit the

(41:09):
prosecution to come out with evidence to say, look, this
is why we think that he is the suspect to
kind of quiet down some of the conspiracy, because as
soon as you just go silent and you don't really
say anything that's going on, you maybe say some of
these vague terms which are about to hear right now
with Cash Mattel, something he had talked about. When you
start hearing some of this vague talk, it's only going
to help the defense and it's only going to hurt

(41:31):
the prosecution.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Well, and really, what Candae is doing is helping the
defense right now. And if this is a huge conspiracy
and all these people are watching that, you don't think
that his defense team is watching every video.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Absolutely they are. Yeah, I mean they're going to use it.
I mean, if I nless, they're dumb. Now, you can't
necessarily speculate in court. You can't conspiratualize in court. You
can't say, hey, here's a conspiracy jury. But there are
things you can do.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Without doing proof that he's using and they can call
her as a witness.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Just saying the very least. They can implant little tiny
seeds in the jury's mind without necessarily going conspiracy. But
just planting seeds is all they got to do. This
is what Cash Mattel had to say recently when he
went on a show talking about the evidence and what
they actually have now and what he thinks about the
Tyler Robinson and Charlie kirkssassination investigation.

Speaker 8 (42:27):
Is there more evidence that you guys can offer to people,
maybe video from that roof.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Do you expect that there will be more to be released?

Speaker 11 (42:34):
I think the best thing we can do for Charlie,
especially me as FBI Director and our team, is to
prosecute this case in the courts of law where it
is in Utah and the state of court of law.
And what we're going to do is what we've done.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Give them every.

Speaker 11 (42:47):
Piece of evidence we collect ash cellular analysis systems are
the best in the world, and that's what the FBI does,
and that's what we flew in and did. That's how
he led the manhunt and got him in thirty three
short hours. And every single piece of video or forensic
evidence or witness interview We've done, dozens and dozens gone
on these platforms, found every single person all of that material.
And I know this is frustrating the public, and I
understand it, but I'm not going to allow the Charlie

(43:10):
Kirk prosecution to be dismantled because we want to get
out of our skis and publicize information. That is the
one thing you cannot do. We will make everything public
in court. It just takes time.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
It does, it always does in these cases. Is there
any possibility that other people involved?

Speaker 9 (43:27):
When you talked at the White House, I sort of
got a little inking that maybe you're looking at other people.

Speaker 11 (43:30):
Just we're looking at everyone that was there, that was online,
and we're looking to refer these matters to the state
prosecution authorities when there's enough evidence. But the reality is,
again with social media, when you have hysterical conspiracy theories
filling the void, you're harming Charlie and his family and
a rightful prosecution of his alleged ascession who we have

(43:51):
in custody and rightly so in my opinion, and if
anyone helped him. Do you think that we at this
FBI are literally going to let them get away with it?
Us standing side in the face of glowing, growing conspiracy theories.
That's what we do to shut down a faulty prosecution,
That's what we do to shut down a system of
justice that wants to be exploited by these same anarchists.

(44:14):
Then that's what they're doing. They're bringing it to social media,
they're bringing it online for clickbait, and we're not going
to take it. We don't care what you say about
me or Dan Bongino or anyone in leadership.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
At the FBI. They're just going to keep doing the work,
all right. So that's what cash Retel had to say.
Although before Cashertel's FBI director, he was one of those
ones that was going around with the conspiracy theories and
all the stuff that he now calls a clear cut
case of Epstein's a hoax and he killed himself and
nothing more to see here, guys. And then he looks
at Dan Longito. Yes he did kill himself.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
But I get what he's saying as far as their case,
and they got to shut down all the social media
gossip in the conspiracy theories. I get what he's saying
because he wants a clear cut line of prosecuting this
guy because in their eyes, they feel like he's.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
The Yeah, I mean, I certainly understand obviously from the
prosecution case that you know, as I said before this
video and I literally did not even watch this video
before we played it, is that you know, yes, conspiracy
theories and theories in general can harm a case, but
it shouldn't harm a case necessarily if you have clear
cut evidence that this guy, beyond a reasonable doubt, actually

(45:23):
committed the murder and the assassination of Charlie Kirk. What
the goal of the and listen to be honest, it
should be the burden of proof on the prosecution overwhelmingly
like that. There should be no conspiracy theory out there
that the prosecution cannot get passed based on one hundred percent, irrefutable,
clear evidence. And unfortunately, from what we have already seen

(45:46):
in this investigation is that they're starting to already kind
of try to figure out how they're going to backpedal.
And when I say this, there's already been some talk
online about, you know, someone originally came out and said
something that maybe wasn't one hundred percent correct, whether it
was about the fact of how the gun was found
or when was it taken apart and put back together,

(46:08):
did he have it when he jumped off the roof
or did he not. There's also the speculation of the
guy they have on security camera footage that doesn't, in
my opinion one PC look like Tyler Robinson. To be honest,
I mean, it looks like a different guy, but they
shared that photo. You also got to you're gonna have
to combat. Also the two guys, I think there were
two guys on the ground that were it seemed like

(46:30):
running di version for the shooter to be able to
get away, so they were there. Although this guy has
shown up in other weird places, including nine to eleven,
which is very strange. But this guy was, you know,
saying I killed him, I shot him, or whatever he
was saying. There was also another guy that was making
a rucket, a racket, whatever the hell you call that word,
a ruckus, and he was also diverting attention to law

(46:53):
enforcements so that whoever was on the roof could get away.
There's a lot of things are eyeing up. And then
also the whole theory about the bullet, the thirty out six.
There has been some speculation and I guess some whistleblowers
kind of behind the scene that say that Charlie Kirk
actually wasn't shot by a thirty out six round.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
Now that was a smaller round.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Smaller caliber. So we're starting to hear some of that,
and I think the reason why we're starting to hear
some of that is because they're going to have to
come out and you know, probably in court and say
this wasn't a thirty out six, this is the actual
gun that he used, this as this But if that,
if that all happens, then what the hell was this
was the gun we saw? What was it that we
literally got pushed by the FBI and DJ and kind

(47:33):
of the investigation leading up to that day. There's gonna
be a lot that comes into play in this investigation
and in this court case. And you know, likely for
those that are wondering, this case will not see the
light of day for probably a couple of years. It'll
probably be two years before Tyler Robinson has ever tried
in Utah. Yeah, and I doubt we will ever see it.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Well, it's going to be a close case somehow where
they're not going to bring cameras in, They're not going
to let us see what's happening like day to day
court days.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Yeah, they're already they're already trying this, right, they're already
starting to talk about this. But and here's the other thing.
I whether we get to that point, whether they you know,
because one of the things they said, well, well, we're
going to pursue the death penalty, and so for Tyler Robinson,
they're going to come to him and say, let's just
pretend for a second that Tyler Robinson did not actually

(48:23):
pull the trigger. Let's just pretend. Let's say that he's
in custody as a trigger man, and so you have
the weight of the DOJ, FBI and the Utah prosecutors
and law enforcement come down and they say, look, Tyler,
here's all the evidence on you. Here's everything we have.
We have DNA, we have this, we have that, we
have this. However they got it. Let's just say, for example,
thought exercise that he didn't actually pull the trigger. And

(48:46):
they say, we can almost guarantee that once this goes
to court, you're going to be found guilty and we're
going to get you on death row. You're you're going
to be executed. So you can either take a plea
deal now, or you can weigh your chance and possibly
be executed by lethal injection or whatever they do shooting.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Fire and scade squad. Yeah, so at that.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Point, even if you weren't guilty and this has happened
many yes, I was.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Going to say that with me with my true crime passion.
This happens all the time, people that are innocent that
are found guilty because of these terms.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
Like, listen, this.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Is what's going to happen to you. If you don't
plea out, you're going to be on death row. You're
going to die. Yeah, So just play out and tell
us what we want to hear, and then you can
have at.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Least your life.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
And that's the thing. I mean, it's like life or death.
And especially if you're convinced enough with interrogations, if you
get found guilty and you don't take the plea, you're
going to die. Just just keep that in mind, you know,
that is what is going to weigh on this guy's mind. Now,
here's the thing. Tyler Robinson may very well be the
guy that pulled the trigger, and he may either have
acted alone, although I don't necessarily think he acting completely long.

(49:57):
I think it's damn near impossible at this point. But
you know, at the very least he could have had
help from online. He could have been indoctrinated by these
far left radical groups. You know, this is the story
that we've been told, right. They want you to believe
this guy was just radicalized he had been on the chats,
he had been on Discord, although Discord says he never
discussed anything about the assassination on Discord. We pulled every

(50:19):
single record we have of Tyler Robinson. Can't find anywhere
that he has discussed an assassination with anyone on our Discord,
although the FBI and DOJ came out and said, no,
this is where he planned the attack was on Discord,
That's what they said. So there's obviously already a discrepancy there,
and so then it wasn't long after that then the

(50:40):
FBI and Trump and these others started coming out and saying, well,
we got to do something about places like Discord, because
you know, we can't just allow people to have plan
murders and mirrors. Yeah, I mean, although you know, you
don't it's not necessarily what he was doing, because Discord
said he wasn't planning a murder. But then you also
have you know, well like Nick Fuintz, as we mentioned earlier,

(51:02):
Nick Fuinntes says that, hey, I think that Candis Owens
is a net negative for the right for conservatives. I
don't know if you guys remember when Candas Owens brought
Nick Fuintes on her podcast, and you know, I actually
agreed with Nick on this because it was like the
way Cannas was kind of coming at him.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Yeah, she was like calling him out saying, you know,
you're older, you're like twenty six, and you don't have
a family, you don't have kids, Like, what is your
agenda with your life? Yeah, like that you can get
your life together and have a family.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, you can't really be like someone that knows the
world or really knows what reality is until you have
a family or kids or whatever. And so Nick Fuinntes
kind of came back, and there's a lot of memes
that's going around saying that after that interview, it broke
Candace with Nick Fintes, although I don't necessarily think I
think it was kind of a net negative for Candace
because of how she kind of came after Nick. But

(51:53):
you know, Cannas has always called Nick fuint has a FED,
So that's that's also interesting. And you know, could could
Nick fund tess to be a FED? I don't know.
I mean, he did get banned and deplatformed almost on
every platform there was supposedly allegedly right allegedly he was
debanked and deeplatformed and all this, But what if he
was being funded behind the scenes, So how did he

(52:13):
make money for those years that he didn't have anything.
I don't one hundred percent know that, but you just
never know how these people that are I guess you
can say paid assets, or people that are put into
place for media purposes or influencing purposes actually or being
paid or being influenced or being utilized by either intelligence
or government. We don't know. But Kanna has continually said

(52:36):
Nick fun Test is a fed. You might ask yourself
what the he how What in the hell would Nick
fun has to be a fed when he's when he's
anti Jew, anti Israel, unless it was to create a narrative.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Around line a false narrative.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Yeah, false narrative. It's like, look, how many people hate
Israel and are anti Semites? So now we got to
start tampering down on this anti Semitic talk and speech.
Who knows, I mean, that's just going down a rabbit hole.
But either way, here's what Nick one does haw to
say just a couple of days ago about Cannas Owens.
This was when he was asked by a I guess
as a paid a paid comment for someone paid him

(53:09):
fifty dollars asked this question.

Speaker 12 (53:11):
Listensy kaik babbling a signe. Do you believe candas? Isn't
it positive for the movement? There aren't one thousand Nicks
out there radializing the youth. Do the people who follow
her on an value? We are just following a battling
full subtract from their credibility. I also can't determine if
she's a grifter, using controversy for money or just playing crazy.

Speaker 13 (53:23):
Thank you for the super chat I am. You know,
when people talk about on net it's difficult to quantify
these things. I would say that, to be honest with you,
I think she's in net negative. She's really destroying her
own credibility and our credibility. I actually think is doing
more harm than good. To cultivate this like schizophrenic psycho audience,

(53:47):
it's one thing to kind of indoctrinate your audience into
an inherent skepticism of these narratives that support Israel and
that try to get us to stop asking questions about
Jews in Israel because that's a thing, okay, Israel and
organized Jewelry, these are real forces in the world, and yeah,
sometimes people take it too far. You're hateful, they're conspiratorial, whatever.

(54:10):
But generally speaking, if people are inoculated to that propaganda,
that's a good thing. But this is of a different category.
This is a different genre, this whole thing where it's
like space is fake and gay science isn't real, demons
are everywhere, like the moon is made of cheese, everyone's
secretly transgender. The Egyptian military killed Charlie Kirk. Like she

(54:33):
is a very stupid person. She doesn't do her due diligence.
A lot of the stuff she says is either not
true or it's completely ridiculous or lies, and not only
does it damage your credibility and make it look like
she's just an unreliable person, like even the things that
she says are true, it's like, okay, is this real
or is this like every other nonsensical thing you said,

(54:54):
like the Stanford prison experiment and the trap door and
the Egyptian military plane, and you know, so it hurts
your credibility to be ridiculous and wrong and stupid.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
But more than that, it kind of creates this.

Speaker 13 (55:08):
Genre of just like generic schizophrenia, And I don't think
that's very helpful, and Sam Francis wrote a lot about this.
He said, that's going to be our biggest adversary is
the kookery, the kooks. And I don't mean those rabbis
from Israel the kooks. I mean these people that you're
trying to push a message about globalism, about Zionism, about

(55:31):
world jewelry, about these real forces in the world. And
then you get people to come in and they think
it's like the X Files and they're talking about alien abductions,
and they're talking about lizard people and the Illuminati, and
they're talking about you know, chemtrails and crazy stuff. And
I'm in favor of following the truth where it leads.
But some of these things, they talk about inner dimensional

(55:53):
beings and they want to get to the bottom of
the pyramids, and that's just a different genre. That's just
a different genre of what we're talking about. I think
it sucks all the oxygen out of the room because
you're trying to put up a message where you say, look,
we want a government that puts the people first, we
don't want to go to war for Israel, this, then
that and the other, and then you get these these

(56:14):
lunatics in the audience to say you're a lizard, you're
one of the aliens, You're and you go, yeah, I
don't know, actually, how helpful you're secretly transgender? Everyone's transgender,
mad scientists run the government, like, I don't know how
helpful that is. So I think the Candice had potential
to do a lot of good when she broke with
Daily Wire. That's why I supported her. I was very

(56:36):
supportive of her. But then very quickly it just went
into crazy town and she starts talking about the Frankests
and all this other psycho stuff, you know, Brigitte Mcroan,
and she's trying to rehabilitate Harvey Weinstein. So at this point,
I think it's doing more harm than good. I think
to the extent that she's cultivating an audience, she's kind
of sending them down a path where they're either destroying

(56:59):
their credibility are believing in red herrings.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
All right, So that's what Nick fuint has had to
say about Candis Owans. Now, one of the things I'm
gonna say when I'm when I'm hearing everything, I'm hearing
Nick fuintes, I'm hearing Candis Owens, I'm hearing some of
the stuff Ashton Forbes is saying. So many others online
that are, you know, basically saying that Candis Owens is crazy.
And you know some of the things also nickquint has

(57:25):
said is like, oh, people believe in interdimensional beings and
there's demons and all this stuff. Nick Fuintez literally has
done entire podcast on saying the N word for like
twenty minutes straight, just because he thought it was cool,
you know. But yet now all of a sudden, he's
this incredible journalist that is just you know, he has
this stature of you know, Walter Cronkite. All of a sudden,

(57:47):
you know, it's like, oh, Candae Owens is psychotic, and
you know she has a psycho audience that believes anything
she says. She's psychotic, she's mental. Well I did.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
I have gone on a lot of her Facebook posts
and I have read a lot of messages because that's
what I like to do, is I like to go
and see like what the audience is saying. And to me,
the major part of her audience would be stay at
home moms are younger women that don't work and that
are sleuths or like crime investigator type people and of

(58:22):
course they're going to believe what she's saying because it
goes right along the lines of being a detective.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Yeah, I mean, and that's what I'm saying. I mean,
you know he's talking about you know, she doesn't do
her due diligence, like she doesn't actually investigate anything. She's
just spewing lies, complete lies. She's never said anything this correct.
And the reality is that Candis Owns has been very
credible throughout her career. I mean, no one at all
was calling Cantie Owens crazy. They actually first started calling

(58:53):
her crazy after she broke from The Daily Wire. As
Nick Fins has said, he put his support behind Canis
Owans to that point, but that's when really people started
to attack her. And then only that, especially after obviously
the Charlie kirkussassination, they all said that she was crazy.
That's why we're doing this show is to try to
evaluate like what is true and what is not. What

(59:14):
I can tell you is that what I do know
is that someone is going to be right out of this.
Could it be the government, Could it be the prosecution.
Could candae o One's look like a complete lunatic psycho?
After the trial after the Tyler Robinson case and hopefully
is televised. Hopefully they put it on mainstream media every

(59:34):
single day. We know everything and all the evidence they have,
or like Sherry said, are they going to try to
cover the case up? Are they going to try to
make sure it's not on television. They're already trying to
push for that. Number one, They're trying to keep cameras
out of the courtroom. That's some of the rhetoric already hearing,
supposedly from Tyler Robinson's side, which doesn't make a lot
of sense. But what I will say about this is

(59:55):
that what I do think, I personally, what I do
think is happening is there is a mass siop going on.
I think we've never dealt with this type of syop
ever in history. And some of you might think I'm
crazy for saying that. You might think, oh my god,
you're you're saying there's some kind of mass syop or
some type of intelligence operation that's going on to where

(01:00:16):
you know, like who would believe that, like influencers couldn't
be paid by some type of asset. Well, we already
know that, I mean literally, israelready announced that they were
going to pay seven thousand dollars for influencers to to
try to I guess Garner more pro zionist people. I
know for a fact that there are paid influencers on
the right. You know a lot of these big political

(01:00:37):
commentators that you guys might listen to. Just understand that
a lot of those people on YouTube or some of
these accounts have millions of followers. These people are paid
by Republican packs. They're paid to get out a message
and influence people where they can't influence people anymore because
mainstream media is dying. It's the same thing that the
Democrats do. They both have this massive amount of money

(01:01:00):
to pay influencers to influence people in their mind and
her thinking. You know, there's a reason why the Trump
administration sent Trump out on literally every single podcast he
could go on, the biggest podcast in the world, because
they knew the influence that these podcasts had on people,
because they know that's where media is why.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
I just don't get why Nick Fuintes is going after
Candace Owens when she's going after basically the same beliefs
that he has. But he's saying she's a lunatic. But
she's going after Israel just like he does. Why does
he think she's a lunatic if she's saying the same
things he's saying but in different words.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Well, first of all, she's not even close to saying
the same stuff that he says about Israel or Jews.
I mean, yeah, she says stuff about I guess Israel
quite a bit now, and especially after you know, when
she had talked about Crisis King and that was something
right after Daily Wire, and they tried to say that
was anti Semitic and you know, just by saying Crisis King.

(01:02:00):
But no, they're they're very different people. You know. On
on one side, you have Nick Fuontez, which I would
kind of refer to as like a shock disc jockey,
you know, kind of like a Howard Stern is who
I'm trying to say, But yeah, Howard Stern has always
been one of those guys. He's known as like a
shock radio host.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
He would always say the craziest shit because he knew
that that would kind of make him viral or you know,
that would make everyone know who he was. Nick Fuintez
is definitely one of those people. He's always been one
of those people. I mean, he says the wildest shit,
like going back to the abortion thing when the Roe
versus Wade was overturned, and you know, one of his
big videos that literally there's that's the reason why someone

(01:02:40):
showed up his house to kill him. I guess was
because he said, your body, my choice, right. You know
he was saying that to the Democrat women out there.
So you know, Nick Fuontees cannot say that. He you know, Oh,
kennae Oone's is bad because she's a grifter. She's a
she's a clickbaitter. She's just trying to get attention, you
know on Charlie kirk'ssasas and that's literally all he's ever done.

(01:03:03):
And let's just be real. We call each other grifters.
That's what everybody wants to do.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
They they all call each other grif.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Yeah, And that's what media is. I mean, media tells
the story. They try to get out a story. They
make money on that story. That's how they get paid. Otherwise,
media companies will not be some of the richest companies
in the world, at least they used to be. Now
they're losing a lot of money. But anyone that does
journalism or investigates stuff or researchers things, and they try
to figure out what the truth of something is, even

(01:03:32):
though media is not really like that anymore. Journalism is
not what it used to be. And that's why I
always try. I mean, I think we always try to
be as middle of the road as possible. I'm not
saying that Cannas is one hundred percent right, but what
I am saying is is that instead of just coming
on here and saying Cannas is psycho, she's crazy, She's
a lunatic. What I have seen so far, based on

(01:03:53):
what she has said in the past, has mostly come
to fruition, including her text messages. Now, could she be
setting it up to make herself look very credible and
to where it's like, look, when when I show something,
I say something, I'm going to bring receipts. Well, I
think that she's pretty much done that throughout her career,
and so when she says, look, you know I'm going
to say this, I know that when she says that,

(01:04:15):
she's likely going to have receipts behind that. So that's
kind of my whole point.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
But how can Nick Funtez say that she's full of
lies when she is showing receipts because she is showing receipts.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Yeah, I agree, And this is something like Asthmin Gold
for example. I've talked about this guy before. You know,
he has a YouTube channel, and he has a massive
YouTube channel, and this guy has millions of followers, and
I've started to see this trend people that have never
been in a political conversation, people that have never been
in any of this. You know, he's even coming out
and saying this girl is going lunatic, She's going crazy.

(01:04:51):
I'm starting to see more like gaming influencers start to
talk about Cannis Owens and how crazy and lunatic in
psycho she is. So not only is it just the
race Huelar political commentators that are going against her, now
you also have these YouTubers that have never even talked
about politics hardly. Now they're starting to come out against
Canda owns almost like a mass coordinated effort to discredit
her and silence her. So I'm not saying that she's

(01:05:14):
right or not. That is up for you guys to decide.
But what I do want to do now is I
want to play. We're going to kind of go through
some of what she talked about. On her show today,
and we're not going to play the entire video. You
guys can just go and listen to Candis oons. But
if you want to listen to some of our reactions
to some of what she said today, you can listen
to it here here.

Speaker 6 (01:05:33):
It is now been forty seven days since my friend
Charlie Kirk was executed in front of the world, because
that's what it was, a public execution.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
And call me.

Speaker 6 (01:05:43):
Crazy, many people do, but I was so clearly deluded
in the immediate aftermath of his death that I was
operating under this function. I mean, I truly believed that
I would be fighting for answers to what actually happened
on alongside Charlie's in her circle. I thought the band

(01:06:04):
maybe was going to get back together. We were all
going to maybe be on a group chat me Tyler Boyer,
Andrew Colevett, Stacy Sheridan. Even if you're wondering who Stacey
Sheridan is, by the way, she's the one who's holding
the camera when Charlie's casket is being escorted off of
Air Force two. She's like the chief money person essentially.
At Turning Point, USA, she was brought in to reel

(01:06:25):
in the Big Donors. I remember exactly when that happened.
All of those people, by the way, were actually brought
in by Tyler Boyer. He's a very important character in
the story. But we're going to get into all of
that tomorrow. The point that I'm making here is that
I had assumed, clearly wrongly, that we'd all maybe be
on a group chat communicating raising hell and demanding answers

(01:06:46):
from the FEDS, from the police, from the White House,
even certainly at the very least pointing out the very
many holes in this story. And if any of us,
any one of us had the audacity or the desire
to carry on Charlie Kirk's show, that would be the
appropriate venue for asking those sorts of questions.

Speaker 7 (01:07:07):
But no, I was wrong. Silence. Silence is what we
were met with.

Speaker 6 (01:07:14):
In fact, I am told that these people believe the
official narrative loan shooter, no one else involved, just a
crazy guy with too many pronouns in his bio. He
nineteen sixty three called, and they want their narrative back.
All that's missing from the story is a grassy knoll, right,
She's need a grassy knoll.

Speaker 7 (01:07:34):
Anyways, back at headquarters.

Speaker 6 (01:07:35):
I am told it's business as usual, and it's kind
of giving me like, I don't know LBJ when he.

Speaker 7 (01:07:41):
Gets sworn in in that famous.

Speaker 6 (01:07:43):
Picture unfortunately sworn in Unfortunately, of course he's sad in
this photo. Gosh, he's obviously not wanting to be the
president United States. JFK was shot and killed, and now
LBJ has to step up. Unfortunately. I gotta be honest,
I wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
I want to pause for a second because we did
a podcast on if you go back and listen to
our last JFK episode, where we kind of break down
who we believe or at least LBJ seems like he
was definitely behind the assassination of JFK. Also probably had
deep connections to other agencies or whoever, whether a CIM,
SAD you name it. But essentially, just to make everybody understand,

(01:08:26):
LBJ had a hit squad. He did, he had him
under him, and they were close friends of his. And
not only did they likely kill JFK, they killed other
people in the past as well. And this was not
just JFK they killed him. They were not just killers,
but they were deeply corrupted people and not just deeply corrupted.

(01:08:47):
These are not thugs. These are people that went to MIT.
I mean, these are people that likely had CIA or
in intelligence connections that were very close to LBJ, and
that also helped him in all of his other corrupt
shit that he did, because he did a lot of it.
If you research it, go back and listen to our episode.
Dude was very corrupt, and LBJ had oftentimes sent his

(01:09:08):
personal attorneys for some of these hit squad members that
took out JFK. And then you know, as what she's
showing here is that LBJ is getting sworn in as
the President of United States. He's just so deeply saddened
by this. Although you know it was it was his
brother that was about to which was the Attorney General
at the time of the United States of America, that

(01:09:28):
was about to go after LBJ because of his corruptness,
because of all the other shit that he was involved
in before the JFK assassination, And a lot of people
thought that even then that not only was LBJ connected
in a very deep and dark way in the deep
State and just very corrupt politics in America, but he

(01:09:49):
also had outside connections to foreign agencies and foreign governments
that also was helping him or coordinating some of this stuff.
So just wanted to point that out just so everybody
knows if you're asking or wondering, like what she means
LBJ thing he was sworn in. He was the poster
child of the new administration.

Speaker 7 (01:10:07):
I don't think LBJ was actually that upset. I don't
know why. Vibes.

Speaker 6 (01:10:12):
The vibes just aren't vibing for me in that picture.
But maybe maybe he was. Maybe the truth is that LBJ,
simply use an expression, had his wits about him, and
JFK had a plan, Like in the event that he
had been horrifically assassinated in front of the world, JFK

(01:10:32):
maybe had a succession plan. Now, if these terms I'm
using here sound familiar to you, it's because they should
sound familiar. It's the exact terminology that was utilized by
Pastor Rob McCoy just four days after Charlie was murdered
in front of his congregation. He spoke about Charlie's succession
plan that he was somehow privy to. I don't know why,

(01:10:53):
but he knew four days later and announced to the
world that Charlie indeed had a plan.

Speaker 7 (01:10:59):
Take a list.

Speaker 10 (01:11:00):
Everyone's worried about the leadership of TPUSA, don't he was
wise enough at thirty one to put together a plan
for succession. It's very clear what they decided and they're

(01:11:23):
implementing it now.

Speaker 7 (01:11:27):
Amazing, I mean amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
So on September fourteenth, we were made aware of this
succession plan, and I find that to be fascinating. The
people who didn't even know Charlie all around the world
seemed to be fighting harder for him, fighting harder for truth.
And it is in fact, thanks to people on the
Internet like Sam Parker, James Lee, Ian Carroll, zeb Buykin,

(01:11:54):
many others. At a video from September tenth has gone
pretty viral.

Speaker 7 (01:11:59):
Okay, so let's take a look at this.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
It's a video of of course, Pastor Rob McCoy's son.
His name is Mike McCoy, and you're going to see
what he does, not in the seconds following Charlie getting shot,
but in less than one second after Charlie gets shot.
These are not seconds, less than one second. You're going
to watch what Michael McCoy does. First, let's hear his

(01:12:24):
daddy's version of the events. Take it away, Pastor.

Speaker 14 (01:12:27):
McCoy as a father.

Speaker 10 (01:12:30):
I just I want to protect my son, and I
thought I got a plan for you, son, he said, Dad,
that's not Charlie's plan. And you know what, I'm looking
at my son, who's twenty four years old. Justin's the
chief cfochief financial officer, and Mikey's the chief of staff,

(01:12:52):
and I'm watching that.

Speaker 14 (01:12:54):
The minute Charlie was shot, he called me, says Dad,
Charlie's been shot.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
In the neck.

Speaker 14 (01:12:57):
Please call every pastor and pray it's okay. Son. He
has wits about him. He was just directing. He had
blood all over.

Speaker 10 (01:13:11):
Him and.

Speaker 7 (01:13:14):
Two things I want you to remember here. You may
have caught that, but he said.

Speaker 6 (01:13:18):
I was watching, and the minute Charlie got shot, he called,
and Mikey McCoy says to his dad, Charlie's been shot.
Pray for him, he says. The minute maybe he's being
a little hyper bullic. We're going to find out. I'd
certainly like to find out. But he stops himself. I
was watching watching, what exactly what are you watching? I
wouldn't remember that. It's robbing me the wrong way. And

(01:13:39):
I'm going to tell you why not talking to me
the wrong way? In a little bit. But the bigger
thing is that he says Mikey had blood all over him,
said Mikey did not have blood anywhere near him, because
Mikey was behind the tent when Charlie got shot, and
Mikey in less than a second does something that I

(01:14:00):
find to be quite strange. He puts his phone to
his ear and he begins a conversation. So we're gonna
watch that clip in its entirety mark And by the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Way, so this clip and what it's going to show
is it's going to show the pastor's son literally almost
damn near immediately put the phone up to his ear,
and then as Charlie Kirk gets shot, he walks away.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
He was talking on the phone before he got.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Shot, right before, like in like instants before he got shot,
and he put his Not only did he and obviously
it's kind of loud there, probably, but he had the
phone up to his ear and then he covered his
left ear right before the shot came out. As soon
as the shot came out, he gradually turns the other
way and walks away, walks away on the phone, just

(01:14:46):
didn't look and even see what happened. Nothing, walked away
walked behind the tent out the little thing, just like
nothing happened. He was, you know, steadily walking but didn't
look back, didn't do anything else. He was just walking
away on the phone.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
It was almost like you was saying it's done.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's what she's kind of insinuating
here potentially, right, like who did you talk to?

Speaker 6 (01:15:10):
So we decided to slow this clip down, and we're
gonna watch this clip set slow down so you can
see that it is exactly eight hundred and thirty four
milliseconds from the time that you hear the shots. That
is how long it takes for Mikey McCoy to put
the phone to his ear. Now, why is that precise

(01:15:31):
timing so important Because there's no dialing.

Speaker 7 (01:15:35):
Mikey didn't have time to dial.

Speaker 6 (01:15:37):
Okay, you can't dial and put your phone to an
ear in zero point eight three four seconds. The next
time that you're going to see Mikey McCoy, as we
just showed you, is in just under two and a
half seconds. On the other side of the tent. He's
on a phone call. So we can track Mikey. But
let's watch the clip again in milliseconds, so you really
grasp how quickly this transpires.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
So obviously we're not going to play this because you
guys cannot see it. But this happens very fast. This
is something that is going on. He puts the phone
up to his ear, which she says after the shot.
It looks like in the video maybe it was right
before the shot, but literally milliseconds before if anything, but

(01:16:20):
she's saying right after. But I think there's a big
difference if as before or after could be. Yeah, absolutely
for sure.

Speaker 7 (01:16:26):
And the clip was brought to my attention.

Speaker 6 (01:16:29):
I obviously have a file, a big folder of files
every angle, and I decided to track Mikey from every
angle available to see like maybe we just missed it,
and he did at some point put that phone down
dial a number, speed, dial hold down one. I don't
know if we missed it, because that seems that seems automatic.

(01:16:50):
Right point eight three to four. That seems pretty quick.
And no, no, he doesn't do that. We even have
him in front of Charlie's car when Charlie's car is
when Charlie is brought to the car, the waiting car. Rather,
he is still on the phone. And I can show
you the clip of that take a look at this.
Don't worry, we'll slow it down for you. See him

(01:17:13):
in the background with the backpack. Mikey McCoy. Okay, So
what are we to make of that? The only logical
conclusion that I can come up with, and many others
because I've pressed, I said, play devil's advocate. I want
you to advocate for Mikey McCoy. I want you to
play lawyer, and you are representing your client.

Speaker 7 (01:17:34):
Mikey McCoy. What was he? How did he do it
this quickly? No one could win this game.

Speaker 6 (01:17:39):
The only logical conclusion that we come up with was
that Mikey was already on a phone call at twelve
twenty three pm. By twelve twenty three pm, he was
already on a phone call. So I said, let's go
back a little earlier in the footage and see if
we can find when he actually maybe dials onto the phone.
Maybe we can see him pick up the phone and

(01:18:00):
begin a call before the shot takes off, and then
after beating that call. If we're following this logic, that
would mean he puts his phone down until Charlie gets shot.
And we were able to find what we think could
be that moment, and I can tell you that it
is one minute and forty five seconds approximately before that
shot goes off.

Speaker 7 (01:18:20):
And we can watch that here.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
I love that.

Speaker 6 (01:18:24):
I've seen Mikey's on his phone here and you're going
to see pulls it up and he starts to cover
his ear again. Now that could be unrelated. Again, we're
taking a guess here. That's what made the most sense
to us, because we couldn't justify it in any other way.
And I want to be clear, We're not here to
make assumptions, okay, And we wouldn't have to make any assumptions.

(01:18:46):
If Turning Point USA could just tell the truth, they
could just be open and they could be honest about everything, okay.
I obviously went out to both Mikey McCoy and Andrew
Colvett for a statement, asks those two questions, Hey, who
were you on the phone with? What's going on here?
No response? Weird because if that was me and I

(01:19:10):
saw clips going viral and people were drawing conclusions from
that clip, thinking that I was already on the phone,
thinking that my reaction was weird, I would instantly hit back.
I'd say, here's my call log. You want to know
who I was on the phone with nine to one one.
Obviously I was freaking out, freaking out, I called my

(01:19:31):
one one. I didn't know what I was doing. Here's
my phone, here's my whole call log for that day.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
But this is I don't And let me ask you
guys something here. I want your guys opinion, send us
a message or whatever. But if Candie Owans, known as
big as she's kind of been in this investigation, reaches
out and says, hey, well, what's the deal with this
phone call? You know, it is weird and there's speculation.
There's clips going viral about this, and it's not even
Candis Owan's clips that were going viral, it's other clips

(01:19:57):
that have before Canisons even came on, These clips have
been going viral. So Candone Owe was going to cover
this as she reached out to people she knew, obviously
Mike and the other guy and your COVID, to the
bigger people in Turning Point USA, and no response. How
would you handle that? You know, if your Turning Point USA,
if you're either of these two individuals, would you respond

(01:20:17):
and say, look, here's who I was talking to.

Speaker 7 (01:20:20):
I guess we live in a world where that doesn't
make sense.

Speaker 6 (01:20:23):
I would have issued a statement to dispel any rumors,
but they have not. Here's what I want to say,
and I honestly I understand I'm preaching to the choir here.
Everything about this is wrong. You know it, and I
know it. I actually know it better than most because
I helped build that organization. And that's why I am

(01:20:44):
almost the perfect person to discern what is normal and
what is abnormal in terms of what happened at that
college campus event. In fact, when I did my tribute
to Charlie, this is unbelievable. Remember just after he died,
I posted a video to my friend Charlie Kirk, and
I shared a clip of him at a college event,
and he and I were laughing, and I'm going to

(01:21:05):
show you that clip in a second, and I said,
I don't even know which college this is when I
showed the clip because I didn't know what college it was,
and unbelievably it was UVU.

Speaker 7 (01:21:15):
I kid you not, let's rewatch that clip.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
If you aren't wealthy, white and male, Charlie.

Speaker 13 (01:21:21):
Kirk is not your friend my friend anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Are we not friends?

Speaker 14 (01:21:24):
Is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:21:24):
Find out?

Speaker 7 (01:21:25):
I'm going to find out a sign outside of a thing, and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
I bet that we just did.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
And now my friend all right, So that was the video. Obviously,
this is the first part of cannas Owen's stream today
where it was five o'clock she streamed this. She wanted
to specifically talk about this video with Mike McCoy, the
pastor's son, which is who I guess. He says that
Charlie Kirk said that this is America's pastor. This was

(01:21:49):
Charlie Kirk's pastor. Like there's no one else that Charlie
Kirk trusted more than this pastor, right, And that was
something obviously Cannis also speculated about. I was like, how
close were they all all this stuff? Now we might be,
you know, plucking hairs right when we're talking about stuff
like this. But she does make points about things that

(01:22:09):
don't necessarily add up. And it wasn't her video that
went viral about this particular guy. There were so many
political commentators, people that are actually not afraid to speak out,
like Jimmy dre and so many others that have kind
of been talking about this, and they said, look, this
seems weird, This doesn't make a lot of sense. Why
would you get on your phone, then put your phone down,

(01:22:30):
and then right after you get on your phone and
swiftly walk away like nothing happened. That doesn't make a
lot of sense, It really doesn't. But you guys, let
me know what you think about that. All right. So
here's where Candi so Owens gets into the video.

Speaker 12 (01:22:42):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
So, the video camera that was behind Charlie Kirk when
he was assassinated, the guy that actually took that camera down.
This is pretty interesting as well, because he had actually
recorded a selfie video not long after this. And so
I want to play this part and break it down.

Speaker 6 (01:22:56):
I knew that things were weird all the first and
foremost the camera guy, the one who takes down the camera.
Seeing him lingering alongside Charlie at the event, flagged me
as weird immediately. Okay, that's why I reached out when
people saw him taking down the camera, I said.

Speaker 7 (01:23:15):
What is this? Why are you here? Literally? Why are
you standing at show?

Speaker 6 (01:23:18):
I've never at any college event ever in six years
had that man standing next to me at an event.

Speaker 7 (01:23:26):
Okay, sometimes he wasn't even there.

Speaker 6 (01:23:28):
Other times, of course, when you are in avy, your
job is to be somewhere quiet, Your job is to
have on headphones to make sure the audio is good.
Maybe the idea that they're micing the person running companies
micing you up is completely absurd.

Speaker 7 (01:23:43):
I didn't like it.

Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
It felt new to me, you know. When I called him,
things got pretty weird. He acknowledged that a lot of
new stuff was happening on that day, and I inquired
to him immediately about the subtle changes that I recognized.
And the thing that struck me as wrong was that
he lied to me. I don't know why he was

(01:24:05):
lying to me, but a lot of the things that
he said didn't make sense, and I'm want to speak
more thoroughly about what it was that he said. Because
obviously I recorded the phone call, I of course asked
him why he took down the cameras so quickly. I
asked him to first and foremost, simply show me the footage,
because that's all I wanted to do. I'm thinking, again,

(01:24:27):
we're all going to get the band back together and
solve this murder. And he got weird, he got really weird.
I said, I just want to like see the footage
so I can debunk. I know that you don't want
to put more footage out there. That's fine, but like,
just show me the footage so I can debunk these
all these internet conspiracies that you were hiding something.

Speaker 7 (01:24:44):
I was not suspicious of turning point at all.

Speaker 6 (01:24:46):
Actually, when I called and I asked him again, like,
what's the reason, what's the reason for taking down the cameras?

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
Quickly?

Speaker 7 (01:24:52):
Why it was the footage been released? Let me see it?

Speaker 6 (01:24:54):
And he told me that A he had spoken only
to A and the FEDS that he had regarding the footage.
That is, he specifically told me that, as I said earlier,
that he had secured that footage because he wanted to
prevent Erica, as I told you, from having to relive
that moment.

Speaker 7 (01:25:14):
And that made entirely no sense to me.

Speaker 6 (01:25:16):
I told you, guys, because we all can watch Charlie
Kirk be.

Speaker 7 (01:25:21):
Murdered over and over and over and over and.

Speaker 6 (01:25:23):
Over again, So how are you sparing any emotions here
by taking down the back footage? And then it made
even less sense to me and appeared to me as
a lie once I saw the footage on FaceTime, when
I realized that there was no blood on Charlie, so
it was the least traumatizing footage.

Speaker 7 (01:25:41):
Of all, Why be so secretive about it?

Speaker 6 (01:25:45):
He then told me that he needed to speak with
Turning Point lawyers first to see about releasing the footage.

Speaker 7 (01:25:49):
I said, okay, fine.

Speaker 6 (01:25:51):
I let him take a couple of days off, and
then we got back on the phone and I said, look,
that's kind of a BS excuse too, because you run
your own company and the footage is owned by you.
He then said, okay, yeah, I do own the footage.
I just want to, you know, just coordinate, check whatever. Okay,
kind of a lie number two ish. Then he said something.

Speaker 7 (01:26:12):
That really bothered me.

Speaker 6 (01:26:13):
He said, I don't know how to send the footage,
like the file was too large. Oh oh, I was
born yesterday. So you run an entire av company and
you don't know how to send footage. That didn't smell
right to me. They got even more bizarre, he told me.
And this is when I was extremely uncomfortable. He said,

(01:26:37):
after I offered you can just use WHA transfer, he said,
I don't want to just send the footage over the
internet that's behind Charlie's head, because I'm worried that Google
might hack me.

Speaker 7 (01:26:53):
I swear on everything I love.

Speaker 6 (01:26:56):
That's where he told me he was afraid that Google
was going to hack him.

Speaker 7 (01:27:02):
So at this moment I got a little bit uh.

Speaker 6 (01:27:05):
I looked at my team and I started snapping across
the table and I was like, I said to them,
literally guilty of something. I don't know, missus weirds, what
a stupid lie? I mean, we need to just so,
I said him. I said, let's just pretend that that
does happen for whatever reason. Sergei Brin is sitting around
and he's going, I want to hack this person because
I want to see footage behind Charlie said, does it whatever?

(01:27:29):
And then he gives the footage to Fox News CNN
and they play it. And what happens after that? I
said to him, Oh, I know what happens after we
all get to see Charlie Kirk dive from a different angle.
We've seen it dive from a thousand different I was like,
what is actually changing if Google hacks you?

Speaker 7 (01:27:52):
Weird, A weird thing to say.

Speaker 6 (01:27:54):
I also asked him who he was on the phone
with after Charlie got shot, and he told me, and
I kid you not, he was on the phone with
the ops that were back in Arizona watching And I said,
what ops, we don't have people back in Arizona watching
when we do college canvas events. Is that something new?

(01:28:16):
He said, yes, it is new. In fact, this was
the first time we were doing it. He said, there
were two people, two ops are watching it back in Arizona.
And he told me that the reason that they were
doing it was because, you know, Cannas, he said, Charlie,
he was so ambitious and it wasn't fast enough that

(01:28:37):
it was all being live streamed.

Speaker 7 (01:28:39):
He wanted people to and.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
Keep in mind, guys, I'm you know, Candas is talking
about the ops that are watching back, you know, in Arizona,
and you're saying, well, I know that Turning Point USA,
don't do this. But you know, Candas has been out
a Turning Point USA for quite a while. Although he
did say, hey, this is new, there's something new we're doing.
So nothing to see here. And so, you know, with

(01:29:01):
some of this stuff, right, it is weird because it's
like it doesn't necessarily point one hundred percent to the
guy that took the camera down that he had something
to do with it. This is some big, massive conspiracy
kind of like you know, something that Nick quint has
said in the earlier video, whereas like, to some degree,
there are people out there that believe every single thing
is a conspiracy theory. You know, they believe space isn't real,

(01:29:24):
birds are drones, and you know, maybe in some degree
the Earth is flat, even though I'm not going to
go into that because there's people out there for sure
that believe that as well, and not going to speculate.
We've had flat Earth dave on, but there are certainly
people out there that believe that every single thing that
happens in this world today is a conspiracy theory. And
there's a reason why you have people like this. It

(01:29:45):
is because that since especially COVID, I think it just
wrecked a lot of people's minds because of the amount
of lion and the amount of lion that social media
exposed to the greed to the degree of like when
they tell you like this say effective, safe and effective.
These are the number during COVID. This is what happened.
This is how this all went down. And then also

(01:30:06):
after the Trump admit, you know, the twenty twenty election
and just so much stuff. We've literally been awakened to
how much that we have been lied to by our government,
and so there is a reason why now there is
this group of people out there and that believes literally
everything is a conspiracy. And I believe for sure that

(01:30:27):
there are a lot of conspiracy theories in this world
that are true. Right, I can't tell you that everything
is a conspiracy theory. But also we got to be
careful too when it comes to even the Charlie kirkussassination
with the guy that's a camera guy, like the audio
visual guy. Now, could can this be right here that
he had some type of weird involvement in this? Possibly? Right?

(01:30:48):
I mean, she possibly could be right about this. But
also it's like you're trying to do and say anything
to kind of make it look like everybody that was
there that they was involved. And I don't necessarily think
that's true. And I know and I also understand that
when you're already being lied to, especially how Josh Hammer
lied about Charlie Kirk's admiration up until the day he

(01:31:08):
died for Israel, and then come to find out you
have the text matches, you are being attacked as can
this owens leading up to when you release the text matches.
I get it. She's probably thinking, now, now everybody that's
involved in this situation is part of it. And so
whereas I don't necessarily believe that I don't know that either,

(01:31:29):
I don't know, I don't know. I mean, we'll leave
it up for speculation, right. So here she talks about
in this next part that what this guy, the camera guy,
did immediately after Charlie Kirk was assassinated. I find it
pretty interesting, especially with the selfie video he took.

Speaker 6 (01:31:45):
Listen, because the video he sent me is quite shocking.
It's also the reason that I knew that Tyler Boyer
was lying when.

Speaker 7 (01:31:52):
He tweeted, and in it this.

Speaker 6 (01:31:55):
Guy was commanded by the police to take down the cameras.
He's lying because I have every minute of what this
guy was doing thanks to him having sent it to me. Okay,
every minute of what he was doing before he took
those cameras down. And there are only four minutes, by
the way, before he takes those cameras down. So he's
next to and he is in front of Mikey McCoy

(01:32:15):
when Charlie gets shot. Now, to his credit, he actually
did see Charlie get shot. He saw, like a split second,
see Charlie bleeding and runs and doesn't run very far.

Speaker 7 (01:32:26):
He just runs a couple of yards away.

Speaker 6 (01:32:30):
Now I should mention that the camera guy, he too,
was also brought into the company by Tyler Boyer. Okay,
and if you have worked with Charlie for this long,
over a decade, and you watch Charlie Kirk get shot,
what do you do? What would you do? I'm asking

(01:32:52):
him his question, what would you do? I say two
things that were are pretty commonplace. Right, you choose between
fight or flight. You run towards him or you run away,
and you run away far because you don't know what's happening.
Is it one shot? Are the multiple people? Are you
being pursued? There's no way to process that. If you
are going to be in flight, you should be sprinting

(01:33:15):
and maybe calling nine to one one. That's what I
would have done if I wanted to run away and
not towards Charlie to make sure he's okay. But this
second close friend of Charlie chose to run just a
few yards away, up to a grassy knoll to take
out his phone. A couple of seconds he takes out
his phone and he begins recording himself. It's a selfie video.

(01:33:40):
It takes a video of himself. So let's watch that video.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
They just shot Charlie. They just shot Charlie. They just
shot Sharly.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
Hey, you shot Charlie. God help him.

Speaker 6 (01:34:45):
That's the first time it was announced, actually that Charlie
Kirk who was dead.

Speaker 7 (01:34:52):
It's kind of weird. Go ahead, catch your breath, hey,
rewind watch it again.

Speaker 6 (01:34:57):
Watch it over and over again like I did, because
you're probably thinking.

Speaker 7 (01:35:02):
Out loud, what the F did? I just watch? What's
going on?

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
So what she's saying here is that he immediately said
Charlie's dead, like he left the area. He sees them
hauling Charlie Kirk into the suburban and then he says
he's dead. Okay, Well, he was the first person, I guess,
to officially announce that Charlie Kirk is dead. He was assassinated.

(01:35:30):
You know, we didn't know this for hours after we
all saw the video of that horrific video that we
all saw. We didn't know that, right, They kept that
quiet for three or four hours. We first started hearing
word that Charlie Kirk died hours later. But this guy
knew that Charlie Kirk was dead pretty much immediately. Least
that's what he said on his selfie video. Right, Okay,

(01:35:52):
so now this next part where she talks about a
previous conversation to her and Charlie Kirk had this was
I think back in twenty eighteen, which regardless, I mean,
I'm not necessarily saying this is proof of anything, but
it is pretty it'll it'll, at least for me, it did.
It kind of made me have a little bit of goosebumps.

(01:36:13):
And it's just interesting, like how when this happens, when
Charlie Kirk expresses this to Candace back then, it's very strange.
It is almost kind of somewhat prophetic. I don't know,
I mean, do you you know, like when Candae Owen's
talked about her dreams, I think it was like two
episodes or three episodes ago where she said Charlie Kirk

(01:36:33):
came to her in a dream and said that he
was betrayed. Everyone said, oh, now, Candis Owen's evidence is
a dream. She's crazy, She's so psycho again, right, But
you know, then then she has these texts of Charlie
talking to her back in the day, and I'm gonna
play this part. This is gonna be the last segment
of what we're gonna play on Candace. I do encourage
you guys to go watch the entire Candace episode, the

(01:36:56):
live from today, but let's listen to uh the lead
up and what her and Charlie Kirk talked about.

Speaker 6 (01:37:06):
He just looks like a Bond super villain. That's just
what he looks like. And by the way, that's a
lot of words to say what I always say, like,
we don't know, no, but we know, and I'm Josh Hammer, Yeah,
we know you're not the good guy.

Speaker 7 (01:37:18):
Okay, got to you have.

Speaker 6 (01:37:20):
To believe in your gut. I keep talking about you,
guys over and over again. Your gut matters more right.
Your subconscious picks up on things before your conscience does,
which brings me to dreams. By the way, because before
I went on break, many people were triggered because I
discussed on a previous show a dream that I had
a very vivid dream, whereupon Charlie told.

Speaker 7 (01:37:41):
Me that he had been betrayed, and so he's been betrayed.
That's it. That's a lot I could say here.

Speaker 6 (01:37:49):
If I had known that me discussing my dreams was
going to trigger so many people, I would have started
every other show like Martin Luther King Jr. Like I
had a dream. I had a dream. I had a dream,
and like I said, this one was clear. Charlie told
me that he was betrayed. He actually said more than that, actually,
but we're fishing, right, so let's be patient. What I

(01:38:10):
want you guys to know about Charlie is he also
used to dream very vividly.

Speaker 7 (01:38:16):
Because we traveled together so much.

Speaker 6 (01:38:18):
He would wake up, we would text and he would
tell me about those vivid dreams. And we talked about
a lot of things, as you do when you get
to know somebody. We talked about the spiritual realm. We
talked about religion, our faith, most importantly, what our life's
purpose was. And there was this period in April where
Charlie kept insisting to me over and over again that

(01:38:41):
he was going to die young. In fact, he told
me that Turning Point USA was going to be the
death of him.

Speaker 7 (01:38:47):
And I'm going to allow you to read his words.

Speaker 6 (01:38:49):
And it's funny how this came about, because when I
was in Wyoming, I went outside. I was writing, like
physically needed to write, to put pen to paper and
to pray. And I was sitting in Missan overlooking the mouth,
and right when I concluded my prayer, I opened my
eyes and I saw a massive bald eagle and it
just made me feel at peace. It's one of those
moments where you just are in nature, you see something

(01:39:11):
beautiful and it makes you feel at peace. And then
I felt the need to start going through messages and
conversations between me and Charlie, and sure enough I stumbled
upon many messages of him telling me how he would die.
And I'm going to show you some of those messages now,
a particular set of messages that were written on April sixth,
twenty eighteen, just a couple of weeks before Kanye tweeted

(01:39:34):
I Love the way Kennis Owens thinks, which is relevant
because a lot of things changed after that tweet. And
it's relevant because Charlie sensed that something big was about
to happen, and I think that is what the something
big was. I also want to say, obviously, I am
not making up these messages, Okay, turning point. Actually, Mikey
McCoy has access to all of Charlie Kirk's messages. They

(01:39:55):
can tell you that these ones are real. Here's what
he wrote again, talking about Kanye Charlie wrote to me,
You're going to be the Iron Lady of America. He
had such a political vision for me. I never wanted
that sort of a thing. I see it so freaking clearly.
I might be Moses, though I might not see this
whole thing through.

Speaker 7 (01:40:12):
Lmao.

Speaker 6 (01:40:13):
If that is the case, be my David. I said, dude,
you haven't even realized your power yet. You're so young,
was what I was thinking. He said, if I tell
you the true prophecy that I know in my gut,
it's really sad, but I hope it's wrong. He went
on to say, anyway, I am not sure if I
will live to see the end of this revolution. I

(01:40:35):
believe you were the peace that God meant me to
meet that will finish the fight. Since the beginning of TPUSA,
I knew in my gut that I might get wiped
out at any time. I cannot explain it, but I
dream about it all the time, like all the time.

Speaker 7 (01:40:50):
Anyway, that's depressing. Combo for another time, lmao.

Speaker 6 (01:40:54):
I said, that's weird, more of a fear manifestation than nactualization.
He said, I'm not really afraid of it, but I'm
just telling you what I know to be true. And
he told me that. He told me that I don't
know why Charlie knew he was going to die young, and.

Speaker 7 (01:41:11):
I don't know. I just felt like I.

Speaker 6 (01:41:12):
Needed to share that because it is in part why
the moment that Charlie got shot, I just knew he
was portrayed spiritually in the same way that Charlie knew
that he was going to die young.

Speaker 7 (01:41:26):
I knew that this was a part of something bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
All right, So there you go. There's a text. Pretty crazy,
I mean, definitely pretty crazy. Because Candice O Wins and
Charlie Kirk had this tax exchange back in twenty eighteen.
He felt like that he was not going to live
very long. He felt like that this would kill him.
This whatever that is turning point USA. As far as
like his involvement, like his message, his path forward, he

(01:41:54):
just felt it. He kind of envisioned it, He felt
like he knew it, He felt like he knew what
was to come. It is weird. I mean it is
strange not saying necessarily as prophetic or anything else, and
not saying that it proves anything. It doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:42:09):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
I think I think I'll be interested to see what
canon someone still has to say, and you know whereas look,
as I already said in the start of the show,
that I do believe that we should not allow I
guess necessarily conspiracy theories or whatever influence a prosecution if

(01:42:30):
it is a just prosecution, if they actually have evidence
and they're going to push forward evidence. But I also
believe that if the prosecution has enough irrefutable evidence beyond
reasonable doubt to make a jury believe that Tyler Robinson
is the only person that was involved in this, then
they shouldn't worry about conspiracy theories. But if someone on
that jury does have reasonable doubt to not convict a

(01:42:52):
man because they do not either believe he was the
shooter or whatever, then that should be the case. Now,
like I said, the case will be probably two years out,
it's going to be a long time before we see
if we see Tyler Robinson in court. That is, of course,
if he survives in that next couple of years, that is,
if he doesn't take a plea, if or if they

(01:43:14):
don't allow cameras in the courtroom, whatever the case is.
There's all types of variance here, I don't know, But
the reason why we want to do this show is
because you know, I am seeing everybody say that if
Candice Owens even questions narratives, even questions the stuff that
a lot of us are asking, that doesn't really add up,

(01:43:34):
you know. And what I do know is like, at
the very least people like Josh Hammer did lie, She
did catch them in a lie. She exposed that lie
to the world, and leading up to her actually releasing
those text messages, everyone was calling her psycho and crazy
then and then after that they're calling her crazy yet again.

(01:43:57):
They said, Hey, the text aren't real, they're fake, which
I can't believe people actually want with that narrative. I
can't believe people actually thought that they would be okay
with just saying that the text messages Cande Owans released
were fake messages. That's crazy to me. It's nuts to me,
because obviously Turningpoint USA had to come out and respond

(01:44:19):
to those messages. Now, if Turning Point USA would have
never came out and responding to those messages, there would
probably be a lot of people to this day right
now that believes that Candice Owen's made up those messages,
and she would have probably been more discredited than she's
even being now. But I don't know one hundred percent

(01:44:40):
what to believe on the Charlie Kirk thing. I don't
I don't think we're being told everything. But I also
I think the bigger message here is that, especially for
people on the right, to silence someone that had been
a friend to Charlie Kirk for many years, a very
close friend, to help Charlie build Turning Point USA, and
then when and she goes out to try to get

(01:45:03):
truth and transparency, even if she's wrong, by the way,
then let's prove her wrong. Right, hopefully the court case
will prove her wrong. If you guys think she's psycho
and psychotic, then hopefully the court case will prove her wrong.
I just think that there's a lot of people watching her,
and I think there was one hundred thousand live viewers
watching Canas Owens today. And it's not because one hundred
thousand people are there to talk shit to her. I

(01:45:25):
just think there is so many people that are disenfranchised
or that are disconnected from the government because of how
much the government has lied to us on a regular basis,
how much mainstream media has lied to us every single
time we turn on the news that's literally what we
are expecting every time we watch the news is lies.

(01:45:47):
And you know, I think that even for myself, I
expected more transparency from the Trump administration than we've got
so far, especially with the Epstein thing. And no, I'm
not you know, it's not one of those things that
people are like, oh, well, all you care about the
Epstein files. It's like, if we don't talk about the
Epstein files, then we don't care about them, and we're
trying to cover it up if we do talk about them,
and then there's people that say, oh, all you care

(01:46:09):
about is the Epstein files. You're you're you're trying to
paint Trump in a bad light because of his response
to the Epstein files. But I don't care who is
in office. What we all have to remember is that
the people that are in power work for us. They
work for us. That's what their goal and that's sorry,
that's what their mission is literally supposed to be. They

(01:46:32):
were elected in office to work on behalf of the
American public, the American citizens. We are not citizens of
the United States to work for the government. And so
when we hired, like if you're a boss and you
hire people, then you got to hold those people accountable
or are they doing their jobs or are they not?

(01:46:53):
And and if they just start if your employee just
starts lying to you basically saying no, don't worry about it.
Oh that big thing that happened the other day in
your company that you know that you hired me for, well,
don't worry about that. That's a hoax. Don't worry about it.
Like would you keep those people on or would you
fire them? Would you fire them? Would would you at
least pressure them, put pressure on them and demand transparency?

(01:47:17):
Because I think that's what people forget is our government
is employed by us the people. It's not the other
way around. And so when anyone starts to say that
we should not be asking questions, we should not be speculating,
we should not be doing I actually think conspiracy theories
are a great and fabulous thing. And the reason why
I think they are is because if we had no

(01:47:37):
conspiracy theories, if we had no people that were asking questions,
can you imagine what the government would be able to
get away with? And And do you think that the
government is just going to be nice and cool and
and and moral if like just for say that no
conspiracy theories existed. There was no one asking questions, do

(01:47:58):
you think they would just do the right thing if
they weren't not in some ways held accountable by the people.
That's the reason why elections are a thing. That's the
reason why you're supposed to vote in people into office,
is because your vote holds those people accountable. If you
don't like the people that are in office, then you

(01:48:18):
vote for someone else in hopes that they're actually going
to work for the people. But unfortunately, in this government
and the way the government is set up, the government
no longer works for the people. They work for the
donors that supply them the money to then get elected.
Those are the people that they are working for. If
you're not a billionaire that are funding them and influencing

(01:48:39):
them and their policy decisions, their foreign policy, everything, then
then you have no say so essentially in America anymore.
If you're not a Silicon Valley company, if you're not
an elite billionaire, if you're not a foreign nation that
has heavy influence over the United States of America, you
don't have a voice in reality. I mean, you have

(01:49:01):
a voice enough to where you get someone in line
to be elected, but the only reason they ever really
actually get in office is because of all the powerful
money that comes behind them. That's how it works. And
so when I hear people trying to just shut people up,
like Candie Owans or anyone that's asking questions or trying
to say that people are crazy conspiracy theorists, I want

(01:49:24):
as many crazy conspiracy theorists as possible out there, because
the moment that we lose conspiracy theorists is the moment
that we will lose all freedom in the future of humanity.
I'm telling you right now, if we did not have
people asking questions, because journalism is no longer about asking questions,
they are about creating narratives. So it is up to

(01:49:44):
people like Candae Owans and us and everybody else to
ask the questions, to come up with theories, to speculate,
to dig deep, to get text messages and expose that
when people are lying, especially around such a big event
like the Charlie kirkussassination, we have to have people like that.
If we don't have people like that, we are doomed.
We are doomed as a people. So is Candie Owans right,

(01:50:08):
don't know no idea if she is right, then, obviously
that's going to be groundbreaking. But regardless of whether Candis
Owans is right or not, I don't think we'll ever
actually see the truth even if she is right, and
especially if she is right, I don't think we'll ever
see it. Maybe, but it's going to take someone like

(01:50:29):
her that has to go through the hell of being
called crazy in psycho if she is right, to put
her neck on the line, to put a reputation online,
to put everything on the line to be able to
do that. And like I said, I'm not saying she's right,
but I'm saying that we have to have people willing
enough to go out on a limb if they believe something,

(01:50:50):
which I do believe Candas believes. I do not think
Cannas is grifting on Charlie kirk'sassination. It doesn't matter what
she's doing, It doesn't matter what she's talking about. She
has all the ads. I mean, if you go to
her podcast or episode, she's got like six ads and
she always has it doesn't matter what she's talking about,
and she's always got millions of use. It doesn't matter
what she's talking about. She and I have talked about

(01:51:11):
the Charlie kirk thing. I mean, if anything, she's risking
her reputation by doing that, so I just wanted to
kind of close with that. Sherry had a step away
on this episode, but we will definitely be back this week.
We got Halloween coming up, but we're probably gonna have
a new episode out either tomorrow or the next day.
We've got to talk a lot. There's a lot of

(01:51:33):
stuff going on in the Trump world. We also have
a Feral People episode coming out. We've talked about Feral
People in the past, but we've kind of been doing
a lot of research on that and some new very
interesting things that it may not be necessarily as big
of a conspiracy theory as you think. If you guys
have ever watched a movie I think it's from twenty
twenty three called Wrong Turn. That is a movie that's

(01:51:55):
pretty crazy and it's about these hikers that go in
the woods. I think it's up in the maybe if
I'm not mistaken, this is in the Appalachian Mountains. They
go hiking and they encounter these feral people, which are
almost like inn occult. It's like these people have the
woods booby trap, they have everything, and these outsiders come
in and they start fing these people up. And so
is that a conspiracy theory or is that real? We're

(01:52:17):
going to talk about it on a very very soon episode.
But guys, we're going to play out our new song,
Break the Chains. Our name is Revolution Code. Make sure
you go and save or or put it on your playlist,
whatever you gotta do, share it with people. Listen to
the words in particular. And by the way, if you

(01:52:37):
don't know the lyrics, just go to Google and type
in Revolution Code, break the Chains. You'll find the lyrics.
It's like the first result, and then play the song
and listen to the lyrics of the song. I think
it's a lot of what we're dealing with today, and
I think that there's a lot of unexplained stuff. But
I do think eventually that Christ our Savior will come
back and break the chains from humanity and slavery and

(01:53:01):
the exact thing that we're fighting right now. There is
someone that is almighty and powerful that has all control
over what's really going on. So, guys, until next time,
we love you very much. Here's Break the Chains by
us Revolution.

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The show.

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size the sun in the dark, the light brackstor.

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The Jean Makers hide behind the veil, whispers of control in.

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crown of gold. So the soul smart story. So the
cool line begin to fall. They're on the crown, can't

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stop the.

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The forum phase.

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The veil is torn, A new world rises where truth
is born. They dance with the serpent. They took his head.
The fire consume They're still.

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The darkness falls the legal same.

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The King of.

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Kings will break their chain.

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Will ride again,

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