Charlie Kirk Assassination | Ashton Forbes Responds to Ian Carroll & Candace Owens - Investigate Earth Conspiracy Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Investigator Earth podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm your host Shadow alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. On
tonight's episode, we're going to dive into one of the
most explosive conversations to kind of emerge after this tragic
assassination of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
In the days since, Ian Carroll and Kenne so Owans have.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Both sparked outrage by suggesting Israel is the one that
bears responsibility for the Charlie Kirk assassination. Now, obviously these
comments have ignited debate across media, politics, the conspiracy world,
and there has been one person in particular that has
been speaking out against Ian Carroll and Can of Owans,
and that is Ashton Forbes.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
With this night is Ashton Forbes who is.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Here to kind of cut through the noise and respond
to some of these claims that Ian Carroll has made
alongside Can of Owans. And for those who do not
know Ian Carroll, and especially Ian Carroll has been a
friend to our show. He has been a friend to
Ashton as well. So let's go ahead and welcome Ashton
Forbes on to the stage. Ashton, welcome, man. How's it going, Oh,

(01:28):
it's going.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
How are you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
We are fantastic. Is so good to have you back
on man.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
We've obviously we've had you on so many episodes on
our podcast on audio primarily we primarily do audio.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
We are doing video on tonight's episode.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
What we do have to make an announcement for those
that have not saw Ashton Forbes post over the past,
I don't know a couple of hours as Ian Carroll
did back out as of right now. Now, I did
actually send Ian Carroll the link to this, So if
he does change his mind somewhere in between here and
we see him pop up and he can come in,
but Ashton just go ahead and first talk about kind

(02:06):
of where this all started with Candice Owins Ian Carroll.
And for those that do not know or don't have
a backstory on this, what we do know is Ian
Carroll about a year ago, he came on our podcast.
I know, he came on your stuff. He supported your
work a lot. He also supported our work quite a bit.
One of my critiques of Ian was, you know, kind
of once he hit the mainstream, right and I think

(02:28):
that was something you had actually said on your ex
account and he said it kind of seemed like it
was you know him kind of hitting mainstream to where
he kind of just I don't know, ignored everybody in
the past, and especially things that were consequential to his
beliefs or kind of his belief system. One of the
things I criticized him of, and this is something that
I had said, is like, once you build your platform

(02:49):
on everything is Israel, then it's kind of hard to
decipher anything that isn't Israel.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Give us a little bit of the backstory.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
On on Ian Carroll and cans Well.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
If you could first just share the image that I
posted that I shared and here, I just want everybody
to look at this. This is Erica Kirk. Her husband
was just assassinated. She has two children who she can't
even tell what happened to her husband to their father.
Because of how horrific it is. People out there have

(03:26):
no empathy whatsoever. They have completely lost the plot. We
are through the looking glass at this point. People that
are making up fake conspiracies for their own just mentally deranged,
sick political agendas need to be locked up in an

(03:49):
insane asylum. Yeah, think about look at her eyes and
think about what you are doing to her and to
her family. It literally does does not matter what the
truth is. What really matters is what's happening to Erica
Kirk and her family, the people whose lives were destroyed

(04:11):
when an assassin put a bullet through Charlie Kirk's neck. Yeah,
that image will never get out of my head for
there as long as I live, for sure. And the
first thing I want to say is the people out
there that are pushing these conspiracy theories about it, they

(04:32):
are the worst scum, sucking pieces of shit on the
face of the earth. People wanted me to come on
here and be nice. I am not Charlie Kirk. He
was a better person than I am. This guy. The
people that are doing this, they're trying to claim the
high ground that they're just asking questions, which I call

(04:52):
jacking off. These people that are doing this just asking questions,
they're not doing this for the truth. They're claiming to
be victims because people are attacking us for just asking questions.
They're not the victims. Charlie Kirk and Erica Kirk are
the victims. How dare you even try to propose that

(05:15):
you are the worst human beings out there? Just tell
the truth of what you're doing. What they're doing is
They saw an opportunity to make this about their political gender,
and they took it immediately. Ian Carroll, Candace Owens, Ryan Matta,
Jason Hinkel, John Cullen. These are the worst scumbags ever

(05:39):
and they should be shunned from polite society. Not have
they been making up fake conspiracies since less than twenty
four hours after he was shot. They're still doing it
right now. Ian Carroll is literally replying to people just

(06:00):
less than an hour ago after he dodged this debate.
I've been calling out these liars for a week. I
made a big post that went viral about how I
disavow these people. I owe them nothing. People were trying
to say, Ashton, they platformed you, so don't you have

(06:20):
to don't you have to agree with whatever they say? No?
Hell no. In fact, to have integrity means to say
when somebody is lying, to call them out, to say,
you know what, even though they're technically in my friends,
even though they did me a favorite platform me before,
I'm gonna still do the right thing instead of just

(06:40):
doing the line. So what has been happening is that
these people, and it started actually with Sam Triplei. Sam
Tripli was pushing this early on September twelfth, that was
over a week ago, and I started calling him out
because I fall right away how this was going to
fester and grow. And their agenda is clear. Their agenda

(07:03):
is they saw an opportunity to blame this on Israel
and they went all in on it. They are none
of these people are trying to get the truth for
what happened to Charlie Kirk. And the absolute way that
you can prove that's the case is you just have
to ask them one question, who do you think shot

(07:24):
Charlie Kirk. The moment you ask that of them, they
have no answer whatsoever. And the reason is they're not
trying to solve anything. They're not trying to put a
story together. They're just trying to spin a narrative so
that they can blame Israel. Because these people are one
hundred obsessed. They have a movement that they've created where
they are trying to, you know, disassociate us from Israel whatever.

(07:46):
I don't even care about that. I don't care about that.
In fact, maybe it's a good idea to get foreign,
foreign lobbying out of our government. I agree with that.
What I don't agree with is using Charlie Kirk death
to that end this on it and that is one
hundred percent what they've been doing. Do not let them gaslight,

(08:09):
do not let them get out of this. This is
what they've been doing. And it's a boring. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
And you know, there's a lot of people ash in
that have been saying since you have taken this pretty
big stance, I guess a lot of people are saying
pro Israel stance. You are being pro Israel now because
you were calling out Ian Carroll, you were calling out
candis Ounce. You know these people that have, as you say,
platformed you, And I say more so Candace, I guess
than Ian. You know, because we all used to kind

(08:35):
of hang and chat with Ian quite a bit. I
wouldn't necessarily think that he's platform I know you've been
on candas owents once or twice. But what do you
say to the people that say that you must have
got paid now because you were so hardcore on this
anti Israel conspiracy about Charlie Kirk's assassination.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Well, yeah, I want to address all those questions too,
and all the questions about people. You know, people have
all these criticisms of me addressing this, and we're gonna
address all of them tonight. Before I do that, I
want to just read a Bible passage was in Matthew
twenty four to twenty eight. Just wherever there's a corpse,
the vultures will gather. And that's what's going on here

(09:15):
is these opportunists saw a chance to not only make
it about Israel, but to also get a bunch of clicks.
They saw an opportunity to get a whole bunch of clicks,
and they took advantage. And again, another way to prove
this one hundred percent, just ask them, why did you
just wait a week? Why did you immediately jump on
this whole narrative in under twenty four hours. None of

(09:38):
this was gonna go away. You could have waited a week.
The reason why they didn't wait is because these are
the worst kind of piece of shit grifters out there.
What they do is ever they need engagement. Whatever is
the hottest thing out there, they need to jump on
it right away, start making TikTok videos about it because
it gets some huge amounts of views. And that's why
they're doing it. It's one hundred percent why Candicells doing it.

(10:00):
She even she did three ad reads. In one of
her videos, she's bragging about how many people are watching
her weirdo schizo videos that are just literally psychotic, literally psychotic,
and we're going to talk about some of those as well.
I'm not Jewish, I am not paid by anybody. I
don't say whatever I want. And the reason why I

(10:22):
decided to speak out about all of this is as
I had seen this growing trend. I had never called
these people out, even though there's several things that I
significantly disagreed with where they were doing the same thing,
like with the Trump assassination attempt in several other cases
as well. But this was the line for me, because
a man was politically assassinated, politically assassinated, and he was

(10:45):
politically assassinated by a left wing radical terrorist, And this
is our chance to actually stop some of this stuff.
We've got trans shooters basically every few weeks happening shooting
up schools. And what I would tell the people out
there that are that people jacking off over this? Is

(11:06):
it so incredible? Is it so impossible to believe that
maybe it was just a radicalized leftist that did this?
Is that so unreal? For these people, right. And so
this is the reason that I have grown a large following,
not maybe not large, but whatever you want to call it,
over the last couple of years. And I can't think

(11:30):
of any better thing to use that for than to
tear down these disgusting grifters. They need to just be
completely expelled from social They can go into their own
little corner social media where they all do their little
schizo stuff together and everybody else just ignore them, shun them,
expose them for what they are, and remove them from

(11:52):
polite society. So that's why I'm doing this and no
other reason, And for the people that a lot of
people have said stick to MH three seven to zero,
stick to politics, or stick to science or whatever. First
of all, don't ever tell me what to do. I'm
going to do whatever I want all the time. Second
thing is I've learned a really good lesson from this.

(12:15):
We can never give these people zero point energy. We
can never give these people super weapons that can destroy
our planet. A type of person that's willing to use
a man's death to come up with a fake narrative
to attack a whole group of people over it. That
is exactly what the left does exactly. That's why the

(12:36):
people that are doing this unambiguously are the woke right,
because they are identical to the woke left. They are gaslighting.
They are making up narratives to vilify their adversaries so
that people will attack them, just like the left does
when they say you're a Nazi, you're a fascist. You

(12:59):
have to stop all the fascists. These people are doing
the exact same thing, but they're doing it to the Jews,
the Israeli's Yeah, and I won't stand for it on
either side. It's not right when the left does it,
and it's not right when the right does it either.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Let me go ahead, sorry, Ashton, let me ask you
this real quick, because you know obviously Nick Fuinntes, for example,
Nick Fuinntes I used to not necessarily agree with. I
used to somewhat think that Nick Fuinntes was similar to
it Ian Carroll. Okay, so, and the more I watched
Nick Fuintes over the past two years, I guess I

(13:35):
guess I can say Nick fint has been around a
lot longer than that.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
And for anybody going after Israel and Jews for ten years, yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
He's not a grifter. That's what his whole platform is on.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, it's not somebody that's came in and said, okay,
let's go blame Israel for all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
But the difference in Nick Fuints, I guess in this
kind of space, is that Nick funt.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Has like you.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Like you said, he has backed up or at least
that has been his belief his core structure, and he
does believe the APAC is heavily infiltrated in US politics.
He has called that out in some ways. Nick font
has has called that out very dramatically. He had said
some wild shit out there, right, And Ashan, I think
you've said some wild shit too. But I think also
at the same time that gets eyes to your video

(14:21):
at the same time sending a message to where like
he's heavily researched. And I would almost say, and I
could be wrong about this, I would say that Nick
Fanzas in some ways is kind of like you, but
just not with ma Street seventy.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
I think with the Israel APAK situation.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Now, Nick Funtas has commented on this whole thing, and
one of the things I found interesting about one of
his videos, I want to play this real quick. It
was Nick fuinnt As saying about the low Iq anti Semitism,
which is kind of wild. But uh, let's go ahead
and get to that real quick. I want to play
this video for you guys. Check this out.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
This is Nick Fintas, and then we'll comment on it.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Here you go.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
And the reason that I am digging in on this
I cannot fucking wait for it to be proven beyond
the shadow of a doubt that this was some left
wing douchebag, because the low Iq anti Semitism is dragging
us to hell.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
It really is.

Speaker 6 (15:17):
We have reached a critical mass, and let's be honest,
since October seventh, it has been a grift for many
to glom on and post the most base and don't
I'm not saying based, I'm saying base as in low, simple, primitive.

(15:38):
It has been a fucking grift for various freaks and losers.
They know that if they just shovel out the most
low IQ anti Jew content, that's the easiest way to
blow up on Twitter. Right now, just obviously, and as
a consequence, now there isn't even a semblance of a movement.

(16:02):
It's just an assortment of like Muslims that are anti
white many of them, and many of them aren't American.
A number of weirdo leftists, other assorted people because it
is so popular and just easy, frankly, to shit on
Israel and get a following. Now we have a ton

(16:24):
of these people, and they don't understand politics. They don't
know anything about politics at all or how it works.
All they know is how to press one button, and
so everything that happens now, granted, because of the nature
of the problem, that's a pretty reliable button to press.
If you look at many of the of the events

(16:45):
over the past two years, if you're pressing the Jew
button every time, you're gonna have like a ninety five
percent hit ratio, ninety nine percent hit rate. And on
some level you might be right bombing Iran up Trump
getting elected yep. But some things that doesn't really work,

(17:07):
and it's showing the limitations.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Of the new coalition.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
We have a real low versus elite human capital problem,
and this might be the biggest demonstration of that and
the reason it's becoming a problem. I'll just reiterate very
quickly and then we'll move on.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Into the news.

Speaker 6 (17:26):
I don't want to spend all my time talking about
this again on the show tonight.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
But look, this is a battle.

Speaker 6 (17:31):
This is not a battle that I chose to have,
but I'm being forced into it. I didn't want to
step on everybody's toes. If people are blaming Israel. I'd
said this to Dave Smith over the weekend. I said,
if people are blaming Israel, I'm not really upset about that.
But I started to get pissed off when people said, oh,
you don't believe it automatically, you got the memo, you'd

(17:54):
got the call, You're afraid, fuck you.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
I'm still at my house. I'm afraid. I'm still at
my fuck house where someone tried to kill me.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
I'm not afraid of fucking nothing.

Speaker 6 (18:04):
And I've been on this for ten years.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
No, I'm not.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
Gonna take shit from some health conspiracy theorist, from some
crypto grifter pointing the finger at me saying I'm not
a true believer.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Fuck you. So there you go, So there, Oh my bad.
I literally just took us all the screen.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
So that was Nick Fuintes and listen, I got to say,
you know, I believe a lot of the stuff about Israel.
I'm not gonna lie. I mean, there are a lot
of things. Apak the influence on our politics. You know,
Nick Fuintez even says that maybe Trump was actually elected
because of Israel. You think about the funding, everything you
think about, even just Democrats and Republicans, it's not on

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one side. We have politicians on both sides of the party,
on both side, Democrat and Republican, that are heavily funded
by APAK. There is also that accusation, which we don't
know for sure about Charlie Kirk, that maybe he was
offered one hundred and fifty million dollars to being more
pro Israel.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Get this week, but yeah, I keep going there. Okay,
it's been the spell, so no not Yeah, it's gonna
get this spelled probably once Erica Kirk goes on her podcast.
That was probably the reason why Ian backed out. Was
that earlier this morning or maybe yesterday night, whatever it was.
Erica Kirk apparently is going to go on a podcast
and address all these rumors, and it's not going to
be to confirm these rumors. And there's no way it's

(19:23):
gonna be reconfirmed these rumors. So the walls are closing
in on these people, and I've been railing on them
for over a week and this should give me a
lot of credibility. Way before all this stuff has come out, right,
and they should have been waiting. To these people, they
deserve everything coming to them because they could have just waited.
They could have just waited and let's see how things
play out. But they couldn't wait. And now the evidence

(19:46):
is coming out and it's hammering them. All their fake
narrators are going to be destroyed. Candice Owens pretended like
she had some secret letter or something. Nick Nick Went
has called her out, told her she needs to release
that immediate. You can't just pretend like you have is
this secret information that you know about Candice owns one
of the biggest liars I've ever seen. She's been lying
NonStop about this situation. But before we get to her,

(20:07):
I want to address Nick Quinte's first. I'm sorry, Nick Quintees,
I believe the bullshit. I owe you an apology form.
I believe that you are some one of these people
that just automatically blame the Jews for whatever it was,
and you're not. I've actually watched what his streams the
first time, and he actually went through the avidence and

(20:29):
it would have been easy for him, easy for him
to just go, you know what, I'm going to go
all in on this. Israel dated as well, because for
these people, for these grifters out there, the low iq
anti Semites as he called them, which is a very
appropriate term for them, it's a team sport. It's a
team sport for them. It's not about what's true, it's

(20:50):
not about what's accurate. For them, it's about whatever can
blame Israel, whatever they can do to blame the Jews.
That's correct. Literally, I've got was it Jake Shields? Is
that who it is? In my replies literally saying that
you're correct to always blame Israel, I'm just going if
that's your viewpoint, I've got to be honest. You are

(21:12):
never allowed to have zero point energy technology. Never. Never,
in this world are you allowed to get that technology
because you are not responsible or intelligent enough to handle
the responsibility of that type of weaponry. Now, now that
I've apologized to Nick, I also want to let people
know this. I haven't posted this and I haven't posted

(21:35):
the proof, although I have it. Nick Fuentas has been
liking my posts. He has been liking my posts calling
out Ian Carroll including the ones saying that I'm going
to cook the shit out of Ian Carroll, which was
supposed to happen today. So for the people out there
that are holding out hope that Nick is gonna change
his mind, let me tell you. He also liked the

(21:56):
post where I said the Candice Owens is a left
winger pretending to be a right winger, and she is.
Her and Ian Carroll people are literally just pretending to
be right wingers, pretending to cozy up to right wingers,
and they're fracturing the party using this Israel bullshit. That's
what they're doing.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
How do you think they're left wingers?

Speaker 1 (22:20):
They're the woe. I mean, the woke right is the
same as the woke left right. And so for example,
if let me pull this up, I've got some clips
ready to go right here for you guys. Let's let's
get into it. Let's take a look at what Candace
Owens was saying just yesterday. Here's Candace Owens, if you
want to pull this up, literally defending Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy

(22:42):
Kimmel of.

Speaker 7 (22:43):
All people of the Federal Communications Commission. Brendan Carr jumped
up and he criticized Jimmy Kimmel's remarks. He threatened federal
action against ABC affiliates who carried the show. What federal
action if you carry the Jimmy Kimmel show. Does that
seem right to you? Okay, again, if you're on the

(23:04):
right and you cheered this on, do you understand we never, ever,
ever should be applauding federal action.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
When it comes to speech.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
Okay, we're all losing, we are all losing.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
You have to wake up.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
That's what happened.

Speaker 7 (23:19):
Brendan Carr of the FCC with joining Benny Johnson, and
that's that's what he said that he absolutely wants to
make sure that people are not carrying this show.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, that's good enough of the clip. So, first of all, nobody,
the Feds did not fire Jimmy Kimmel. They are allowed
to criticize. They are allowed to go on shows and say, hey,
you are literally violating SCC regulations. They are allowed to
do that. And this is the craziest apartment. This is

(23:51):
exactly what the left says. The left goes, we didn't
fire you from your job. We didn't force that. We
didn't because you didn't get a vaccination, because you didn't
get this COVID show. We didn't fire your your company
did that. But you've set told the companies that anybody
who doesn't get the shot has to be fired. Right,
this is the same bullshit. So the first of all,
the amount of hypocrisy right here's insane. Second of all,

(24:12):
the sec didn't take no action at all. Jimmy kimb
Will literally win on television and lied intentionally. He said
that this shooter, he says, MAGA is trying to make
this shooter into anybody but one of them what this is.
And by the way, this is after the officials came
out and said that this is a homosexual man uh

(24:34):
living with a trans ferry. Okay, after they said no
question that he actually went away from his family who
is actually right wing, wrote anti fascist stuff on the bullets.
So for Jimmy Kimble to go up there and lie
like that, he should never be allowed to be on

(24:55):
TV ever again, right, there shouldn't even this shouldn't even
be controvert. Wow, it's actually discussing that. And the hypocrisy
is that Jimmy Kimmel was literally out there bragging about
how President Trump got deleted from Twitter. I mean it's
just so insane. I can't believe Cannas Owens. We're so

(25:17):
far through the looking glass when Cannae Owens is defending
Jimmy Kimmel.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Well, so here's the thing, Ashal, And here here's what
I'll say about the Jimmy Kimmel.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Thing from my perspective.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Right, So, and I understand like Candas o one sounds
like she's defending Jimmy Kimmel. And actually, on our podcast
where we talked about Jimmy Kimmel being canceled, the thing
I'm worried about, right is if we look back in
the past four years Kamala Harris, Joe Biden era to
where everyone on the right was being censored, silenced, h
literally the sitting president of the United States was banned

(25:46):
on social media.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
And what did the left do. They celebrated, they cheered it.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
And one thing I said on the yeah and I
said on those podcasts, I said, the left like, whoever's
listening to our show, just understand, like, eventually this shit
will happen to you. So like whereas you might be
cheering it on now, is going to happen to you.
This is not just a one sided issue. Or deal,
and so it might thinking is I understand the FCC regulations,

(26:14):
I understand all that, but why did no one do
anything about all the crazy shit that Jimmy Kimboll said
in the past four years And now all of a
sudden Trump's in and now you have the FCC guy
go on Benny Johnson where he's saying, hey, yeah, we
got to do something about this, and you know it
wasn't hours later Jimmy Kimmel was canceled. I think, I
think from my standpoint is, and I think this, I

(26:34):
hope that you would build the.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Same way with me.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Is that even with your INMA three seventy stuff, right,
if you had what you do. You have a platform,
you have YouTube, you have all these other platforms. But
say that Trump or the government or whoever came and
said we don't like fashion, saying.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Because money they tout money, cut you off. I get
where you're going with this. Let me just cut you off.
They already did it. They allready did it. I'm not
gonna listen to any bullshit about oh, it's a slippery
slope if we do it. They literally already censored us. Guys.
People are going, hey, careful because it'll come back to you.
They already did it. I lost my job because I

(27:14):
wrote a lawsuit against the mask mandate in California. I
lost my job over that. Okay, I don't want to
hear any bullshit from anyone about slippery slopes. I'm somebody
that suffered. Many people did. Tim Poole is actually leading
the charge on this on social media. We have to
stop with this suicidal empathy and this virdue signaling. I

(27:39):
see Seth dllon of the Babylon be doing it going, guys,
we need more speech. The answer to this is more speech.
How delusional are these people? They're not living in reality.
In reality, we have to shut down the media institutions
that are radicalizing the left wing domestic terrorist. That is

(28:02):
the answer. And I will even tell you which ones.
Reddit is the first one to go. Reddit needs to
be seized by the FEDS and shut down. Reddit is
the worst hive of scum and villainy on the face
of the earth. Literally, you think.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
About yes, and you think about all these mass shootings,
they all are on Reddit.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
This is where they go exactly.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
This shooter, I'm sure he was on Reddit. I'm sure
he had a Reddit account, no question, no doubt. If
you go to Reddit, they're cheering for Charlie Kirk's death everywhere,
and if you speak out against it, you're instantly banned.
So you don't be talking to me about censorship. You
literally can't say anything that's even vaguely right wing anywhere
on Reddit or your banned. Yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous. So

(28:50):
the people that like Candice that are pushing this, like
we should be against this, guys, it's over. That ship sailed.
You know, when that ship sailed when you killed the
guy that was trying to talk to you on college
campuses that wanted to talk.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
So fashion what you're saying is and by the way,
this is kind of similar to you know, we did
the podcast on Jimmy Kimmel and I just kind of
gave some of my thoughts freedom of speech, like absolute
freedom of speech. But then as I watched Stephen Crowder,
for example, I watched Stephen Crowder, I watched kind of.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
What he said about Yeah, he was like, look.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
You know what we're done with like being you know,
just pushed over. We're done with all this ship. You know,
if you come to our events, you do this ship.
We're going to meet you with violence if you are
coming to you know, I put violence on us, right
and and I think that's kind of what you're saying
is and this and to this degree is like, well,
you know what, you fucked us and silenced us for years,

(29:41):
and now all of a sudden, we're not supposed to
silence you when you say the most horrific ship, especially
about someone that was assassinated in front of the world
on social media.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
It's not that we're silencing theres They can say the
grossest stuff they want and people are losing their jobs
for I'm not even that big of an advocate. It's
when you're literally calling for violence, like literally radicalizing in terrorism,
and there is a lot of that on red that's
going on issue, even though it literally violates sight wide rules.

(30:15):
One more thing I want to say is that my
subreddit did get banned. When people say, oh, they maybe
they're gonna ban you, and that a street they did.
My subreddit didn't last two weeks. Didn't last two weeks.
And you want to know what when they banned my subreddit,
you know what reason? They gave me? None, literally no reason.
There wasn't even a rule violation just said you're banned,

(30:38):
and I put it in an appeal no reason given.
First they didn't respond. Then I put another appeal in
and they didn't respond again. So and the only reason
why it's not happening right now on Twitter or x
is because Elon Musk bought it. That's the only reason.
So this is what I'm going to tell the people
that want to talk about free speech. Either you shut
them down or the next time they come back, they're

(31:01):
going to shut down everything again. There is no talking
our way through the problem. There's no unifying with these people.
You either shut down their radical domestic terrorism or you don't.
And this is or we're going to all pay the
price and they want to kill us. They want to
kill us before telling the truth. That's the right.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Where is the fine line though, between hate speech violence
in free speech? Like where is the fine line? Because
when you think about whoever's in administration at that time,
they have different definitions, you know, just like we had
different definitions of getting a function for example, Like where
is the.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
Fine line where we cut it down and we don't.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
That's what we should be debating, That's what people should
be talking about. Where is the line how can we
agree to where the line is somewhere out there, because
right now we don't have it at all. And I
just gotta be honest. From what I'm seeing from the
way that the left is reacting to this, the way
they're cheering or what have you, they're not seeing the
line in the same spot we're seeing the line. For them.
The line is if you're against us, your banned, right.

(32:02):
So if you're that radical, I mean, there's nothing we
can do to unify on that front. I don't know
what to tell people. We're not in this Disney World
movie reality where we're just gonna talk this out. This
was like this view that we had like in the nineties,
that I'll defend your your I don't agree with what
you say, but I'll defend it to the death. You know,
That's not how we live anymore. These people literally just

(32:24):
want to shut us down, and that's it. So harsh
actions have to be taken. If we want to solve
the problem, or if we want to go ahead and
have our suicidal empathy, then more people are gonna die.
That's what's gonna happen. Those are the choices. So, just
like with zero point energy, sometimes there's not good choices.
This is the reason why they hide zero point energy

(32:45):
from us is because there's not a good answer, because
if we do give this technology out, we're gonna blow ourselves,
We're gonna destroy ourselves. Can we really trust any of
these people that are this radical with this type of weaponry. No,
we can't. So there's no good answer on that. There's
no good answer on this front either, because we have
led it fester too long, the systematic brainwashing on places

(33:06):
like Reddit. They've been banning people like this since I'm
going to say the Donald is when we had the
turning point, no pun intended, was when the Donald got banned.
That was the turning point when Reddit went full left
wing nut job basically. So from the free speech issue,
that's my view, that's what has to happen. I wholly

(33:29):
agree with Tim Poole. And for a lot of people,
it won't impact them until it happens to somebody in
their family, When somebody in their family is a victim,
then they'll realize that radical action simply has to be taken,
and we have to be careful and that if we
are good and honest people, then we will take appropriate
action that stops the behaviors that are causing this without overreaching,

(33:52):
overstepping central people that don't need it. But the last
thing I'll say is that, like I said before, people
with account social media accounts, YouTube accounts, a hundreds of
thousands of file followers, what have you. They all got
banned for going against COVID lockdowns, for speaking out against
COVID shots, for saying that the election was stolen, which

(34:12):
is a harmless thing to say. There was FBI going
to people's houses because the things that they were saying
on social media related to this. So don't come at
me with free speech bullshit. We don't have free speech.
We never have. It's a pipe dream.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, I want. I want to play this clip real quick.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
And this was Ian Carroll on a podcast which we'll
talk about this as soon as we play this, But
this was Ian Carroll on I can't.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Even remember the guy's name, to be honest with you,
and I.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Don't really give a shit of who this guy is,
but he is on the big streamer.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
You'll know who he is probably once we play it.
But here is something that he said about the assassination.

Speaker 8 (34:52):
Listen ever since it happened, and I just found it
on Instagram. I knew someone would take him out as
and disassemble it and give us the time of how
long it takes to disassemble this rifle. And this dude,
who like clearly he is very experienced with his rifle,
it takes him like multiple minutes to disassemble this rifle
with multiple tools, and then it doesn't fit in the

(35:14):
backpack obviously, like not going down your pants.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
It's like, where the fuck was this rifle? And why
are you.

Speaker 8 (35:19):
Disassembling it on the roof, allegedly jumping down, running into
the woods, reassembling it, changing your clothes, leaving the rifle
which apparently you could sneak around with in your pants anyways,
and then you just leave it there. And then you've
left it there and you have to fucking sit in
your car for a day and a half to try
to like wait to retrieve it.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
When it was like, what are you fucking doing? Bro?
That is not a thing that people do. That's not real.

Speaker 8 (35:42):
So I have some serious fucking questions about this rifle,
and I just don't know if we're ever gonna get
the answers.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Probably not, or it's gonna take you. I mean, look,
we so I haven't got the answer about Epstein, so
why would we get the or Butler.

Speaker 8 (35:57):
But but that's the thing is the Epstein files are
right in the fucking heart of this. Like you're telling
me that there just happens to be this old Ashkenazi
Jewish guy saying that he did it. Shoot me, shoot me,
I did it, shoot me, shoot me, I did it.
And he also was a fucking he was on like
on the scene for nine to eleven and he called
in a bomb threat to not the Boston but one

(36:18):
of the other marathons.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
He's like clearly an agent. Like that's a spot. That's
a spot.

Speaker 8 (36:24):
The reason why a dude that, the reason why a
dude of any nationality would show up at a whole
bunch of major world events like that, is because they're
a part of organizations that orchestrate world events called intelligence agencies.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Like that's a fucking spot.

Speaker 8 (36:39):
I brought that up to Owen and I said, you know,
Utah's ninety nine points something percent white.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
There's barely any Jews there.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
He didn't seem to be too happy.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
I mean, he doesn't like the anti Semitic you know,
implications that have. But it's like, let's just look at
the facts. How many Osconazi, It's just facts, how many
Oshcarzi Jews are in Utah?

Speaker 9 (36:57):
Also saying kill me, arrest me, distracting all of the
law enforcement from there.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
He was also at nine to eleven. Is this guy's
just like why would he now.

Speaker 8 (37:05):
He has child born on his phone too, not beating
any stereotypes and.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
He he.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
That was Ian Carroll on Sneako.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
By the way, I want to point out who Sneako
is first of all, because I think it's important Ian
Carroll goes on Sneaker's podcast or live stream. Sneako is
a Muslim. Sneako is definitely going for Mendami or whatever
that dude's name is in New York City, right. So
I think that the problem with this whole scenario is
is that we have completely forgotten about America verse.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
I think that's why I am.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
So hardcore on people listening more to Nick Flintes, especially
when it comes to this situation with Israel, because I
mean literally, there would be well and Nick Fuinntz's own
live stream now that are calling him a jew plant,
like someone that is planted.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
By israel Is.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Nick Fuintes like of all people, because he doesn't just
all of a sudden go with this Israeli narrative of
the assassination. Now, the thing you have to understand is like,
I think we're losing sight though of America first, which
is huge, and I think there has to be some
type of discourse or backlash on this because if you
looked today, if any of you watched the Charlie Kirk memorial,

(38:22):
the celebration of his life, I've never seen a bigger
movement in a turning point literally for Christianity in America
than I've seen since Charlie Kirk's assassination. And so Ian
Carroll goes on Sneako, which is Muslim. You look at
the UK, You look at what's going on over in
the UK, where Tommy Robinson is leading that protest and

(38:45):
kind of the uprising of the people in the UK
against the UK government which is arresting people on an
every freaking day basis. They're arresting thirty people a day
in the UK for saying anything about the immigration and
the people that they are infiltrating into the UK. If
you fly a UK flag in the UK you can

(39:07):
be arrested. And it's because they are mass immigrating, especially Muslims,
into the United Kingdom. And if you speak out against that,
then you are you have hate speech.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
Well you're a racist.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Well but this hate speech.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
And Pam Bondi herself just the other day said, well,
you know, we really got to start creating some laws
about hate speech. This is the exact same shit that
the UK did and because of that now there are
thirty people a day being arrested.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
So actually, the only way I would disagree with some.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Of what you say is like a free freedom of speech,
as much as we can possibly get it, we have
to have it.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
We can't have hate speech laws. And even for people
like that canasod for he stared.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
For a freedom of speech.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
He wanted people that didn't agree with him to come
out and talk to him so they could have discourse.
And you know, sometimes they would come on his side,
sometimes they wouldn't, but that's the only way you're going
to gain people.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, and by the way, the last thing I'll say
is this memorial today, there were multiple people including RFK,
you had Erica Kirk herself, you had multiple people talking
about freedom of speech is a core value of what
Charlie Kirk believed in, and so when you see stuff
like this, although we absolutely I don't agree with Ian Carroll,

(40:23):
don't agree.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
With can on this particular.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Issue, they deserve freedom of speech.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
So let jump in here. So we don't need new laws.
A lot of this is just gasolating bullshit. Right, We
don't need new laws to fix the problem. We have
laws on the books. Violent speech is already not protected.
That's really all there is to it. So I'm not
even listening to this stuff because it's just another way
for people to try to again virtue signal. What I

(40:48):
think some of these people are afraid of is that
they've been lying a lot, and so they're afraid of that.
But you know what, lies are also protected speech. And
I'm sitting here saying I'm not asking for these people
to be arrested. I'm just asking that polite society should
shun them. Again, this is not a legal thing whatsoever.
I want to address some of the fake arguments that

(41:08):
Ian has been pushing, but there's a lot that these
schizo woke right people have been pushing and they are
systematically getting destroyed. One at a time. So starting with
the old man, they were claiming that the old man
is a part of he's part of the cover up.
He's the guy that they paid to distract to get
the gun to the professional hitman to get away.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Turns out we find out now he's just a psychopath.
He's done this before, and he's also a pedophile, and
he's got you know, child pouring on his phone. Right,
so boom, there goes that theory. So that one's shot down.
Do these people ever apologize when their theories get destroyed? No,
let me do another one. The gun, They go, there's
no way you could have broken down the gun. And god,

(41:49):
we can literally see in the video of the dude's
got the gun in his hand when he's jumping off
the roof. Now, some people go, I don't see a gun. Well,
it's kind of pixelated, so it's kind of up to interpretation.
But even Nick Fuentes is, I think I can see
a gun in his hand. We found the gun in
the woods. So again, guys, put two and two together.
It's not really that complicated. Maybe your assumptions are just wrong.
Maybe the reason why you're going reaching false conclusions is

(42:13):
because the assumptions are wrong. You might be right. The
government may not be releasing all accurate information, but that
doesn't mean that, oh, Israel did it. This is the thing,
This is the brain rot, is that they've started with
a conclusion and they're working backwards. This is not the
scientific method. This is not science at all. And that's

(42:34):
why this is nothing like MH three seven, nothing like
what I'm doing. I think people don't know who I am.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm not a UFO guy
or an alien guy. I'm a skeptic. I'm a guy
that's based in quantum mechanics and electrical engineering. When you

(42:57):
come at me and you go, wait, Ashton, I thought
you believed in a conspiracy. That means you must believe
in every conspiracy. No, and this is what you guys
are doing is nothing, not even in the same ballpark.
Is what I did with m A three seven zero.
I came up with a story that made sense using
all the evidence, all the official evidence. The heck, my

(43:20):
story is the only story that can explain some of
the evidence. You are doing the exact opposite of that,
the exact opposite, dismissing all the evidence that proves you wrong,
and then making up fake evidence so that you can
come up with a story so you can say this
doesn't make sense, therefore the Jews did it. That is

(43:40):
one hundred percent literally what they're doing. And until these
people can admit that's what they're doing, there can be
no productive discussions with them. There could be no productive discussions,
and I won't be debating Ian Carroll. Later he backed
out like a pussy. He is a pussy coward, and
he knew he was gonna get annihilated and he ran away.
Everybody out there follows Ian Carroll in his garbage. You

(44:02):
need to wake the hell up. You're being taken for
a ride by this guy. And I'd say that as
somebody who liked him, who considered him a friend, and
he needs to own up to it. The reason why
these people also can never admit when they're wrong. They
never do. Ian Carroll said we were gonna have boots
on the ground, and Iran like four months ago, said

(44:24):
watch for it, it's coming in two months. This guy
doesn't know shit about geopoliticis. He's an Uber driver. He's
an Uber driver that became a TikToker. So these guys.
The track record is absolutely terrible. They also said, oh,
there's no bullet. They didn't the FBI doesn't have a bullet.
That means that means Israel did it. And now we
find out today Charlie Kirk's executive producer comes out and says,

(44:49):
I've gotten permission from the family. The surgeons pulled the
bullet out of his neck, destroyed his neck. Erica Kirk
in the speech today said that they told her she
shouldn't even look at her husband because the bullet. How
badly the bullet destroyed him literally said I was crying
listening to that. And these people are immediately go look

(45:10):
at the reply. It's actually psychotic. The replies, oh, this
is all fake. He doesn't know the hip. These people
don't know what hippo means. They can't even expell it.
Health Information and Portability and Accountability Act. They don't even
know what it means. This has nothing to do with
a third party releasing information. Has to do with a
doctor releasing your information without your request. These people are
so stupid. It reminds me of the redditors that we're

(45:33):
trying to debunk at MEH Street seven to zero. What
they do is they try to come up they pretend
like they're experts when they're not, and they try to
come up with some reason for why something's fake. That's
what they do, the exact same thing as the redditors did.
And that's what these grifting people are doing with respect
to the Charlie Kirk situation. So the bullet. We now
know where the bullet is. So all these holes that

(45:55):
they were using to justify their tribal hatred is falling apart.
Do you see them apologizing, No, they just move on
to the next thing. The conspiracy just gets deeper and deeper.
Now Charlie Kirk's producer is in on the conspiracy. Now
the surgeon is in on the conspiracy. And what was
Let me see, I got some more here, let me

(46:15):
do more. They also said Ben Shapiro was going to
take over TPUSA, and this was a whole Israel plot.
Ben Shapiro is going to take over TPUSA, and boom,
Now it's Erica Kirk. And you know what they did
after that came out. I can't believe this. Let me
pull this up. Oh here it is. Let me pull

(46:36):
this so here you go. This is Joshua Reid. I
think I've blocked Joshua Reid. Now I'm blocking everybody pushing
this garbage. Ian Carroll pushing this idea that Erica Kirk
is potentially being silenced. Related to this, Erica Kirk received

(46:57):
a call in the aftermath of the shooting from a
very important Okay, that's fake, but there's more here you go.
This is this is probably the absolute worst post I've
seen by Ian Carroll. If you're in human, ye, I'm
gonna read it. Ever, consider that Erica can't speak. If
anything happened to her, what would happen to her children?

(47:18):
What Erica isn't saying is just as important as what
she is saying. Who is she not condemning? What theories
is she not condemning? Holy crap, dude, you should be
canceled just for this tweet. This is the sickest shit ever.
I don't know, maybe Erica Kirk. Maybe Erica Kirk is
a little too busy trying to bury her husband to

(47:42):
care about what some grifter piece of shit on the
internet is saying. And this is just absolutely great. So
this is why Ian, This is why Ian backed out
of the debate today because I was gonna show all
these texts and just completely annihilate him tonight. That was
what the plan was. And now it.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Turns out, by the way asking it does seem like
Ian and Kanis have both been backtracking since their original
post and all the backlash day of got right.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
I mean, they've been to let me show some more.
Let's show some more Ian Carroll's stuff. So this is
the worst part these people, the people that are claiming
that Israel did this, that that charge. There's main story
is that Charlie Kirk his his uh stance on Israel's evolving.
That might be true, that might be true, that his position.

(48:32):
That's not proof that they killed him, or even really
a motive that they killed In fact, it's frankly ridiculous.
He was an Israel supporter until the day he died.
And I'm going to show you how disgusting and hypocritical
these people are. I've got even more posts. This is
Ian Carroll just a few days before Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Charlie,

(48:54):
he says, Jesus defeated death, so you can live. Ian
Carroll replied, says, and you've dedicated your life to serving
the people who killed him, So okay, So if they
have these clips where they're now claiming that, oh, his
stance was changing, how come you didn't bring that up
before he died. How come you were still attacking him

(49:17):
realated literally just days before. Is now you've decided that
his stance has changed. Well yeah, okay, I see you
right through, you bro, I know.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
But the whole thing is coming from Supposedly the Acman
guy took him to his house and said, listen, we're
going to give you all this money for turning point USA,
for you to keep on Israel's side, and we even
want you to come visit. Baby even called him and said,
and come visit, and you know, just take a picture

(49:47):
at our you know, where all of our people died
and turned it down. But this is what they're standing on.
So where is that coming from. We have to we
have to make some pers looking for receipts.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
I don't see receipts on either side. I don't know
what's going on with that.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
We have to make some cure though, well, we have
to make some clear because you know, let's just talk
about the logic of Israel potentially assassinating Charlie Chris.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
I've ever heard Let's talk about this for a second.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
So if if the logic is the Israel killed Charlie Kirk, right,
you see this mass movement in America of pro Christianity,
which is you saw this today in the memorial for
Charlie Kirk, You've seen this throughout You saw this over
the past two weeks. Churches have been filled up like
they've never been filled up before. People were buying Bibles
like they've never bought bibles before. So if Israel wanted

(50:44):
to do this, let's just say, for example, the Israel
decided that they wanted to take Charlie Kirk out because
he was going a little bit to maybe pro Christian,
anti Israel, maybe he was starting to rebuke some of
the things that they wanted him to say or do
or be a part of.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
In turning point.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
USA, which keep in mind, I'm not necessarily even debating
that I think that is possible. But Israel knows that
if it came back that Israel did this ever in history,
that they're done.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
And Israel heavily depends on the United States.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
And this mass movement of Jesus Christ, by the way,
is this is a Jesus Christ's movement after Charlie Kirk.
Everything Charlie Kirk did was for Jesus Christ, and literally.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Israel or the Jews. The Jewish people do not believe
that Jesus Christ is a savior.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Yet Charlie Kirk, in his entire livelihood, everything that he
did and was based on and Erica and the entire
movement of turningpoint Usay was Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
So it would be pretty dumb for Israel to do this.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Absolutely, But it also goes back to the standpoint for me,
and as some I've always said, it's like, why does
the United States and Christianity support Israel so much, support
Jews so much because they.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
Are completely off the Bible.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Well no, but they are completely opposite.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
It's in the Bible.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Because you have one on one side, Christianity that says
Jesus Christ is the Savior. Jews say Jesus Christ is
not the Savior, and we don't believe that. But yet
we're supposed to be the ones out there defending Israel
at all costs. But I just wanted to make that point.
But I don't think that it's Israel that killed him
in this particular case. Now, could we be wrong? Ashton
here's the thing. So Cash matel I want to I

(52:23):
want to show you this this tweet today and Cash
Motel said today he says, uh, which was pretty interesting.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
He says.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
As the director of the FBI, I am committed to
ensure the investigation in the Charlie Kirk's assassination is thorough
and exhaustive, pursuing every lead.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
To this conclusion.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
The full weight of America's law enforcement agencies are actively
following the evidence that has emerged, but our efforts extend
beyond initial findings. We are examining every facet of the assassination,
where are meticulously investigating theories in question, including the location
from where the shot was taken, the possibility of accomplices,
the text messages, confessions and related conversations, discord chats, and

(53:09):
the angle of the shot and bullet impact, how the
weapon was transported, hand gestures observed as a potential signals
near Charlie at the time of his assassination, and visitors
to the alleged shooter's residence in the hours and days
leading up to September tenth, twenty twenty five. Now, some
details are known today, while others are being pursued to

(53:30):
ensure every possibility is considered. Our primary focus is to
complete the investigation and deliver justice. To protect the integrity
of the investigation and subsequent prosecution, we cannot release every
piece of information we have to the public right now,
but we will ensure every question is addressed in the
appropriate moment. Regarding these specific details, such as questions about

(53:53):
the plane that allegedly turned off his transponder after departing
from an airport near the assassination site, we can share
updates when we have answers and where they are confirmed.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
After interviews with.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
The pilot and consultation with the FAA, we determined that
the transponder was not turned off incomplete flight data in
rural areas caused the apparent gap. It says, the entire morns. Sorry,
the entire FBAI morns the loss of Charlie Kirk. We
will not rest until justice is served, and the investigation
into assassination will continue until every question is answered. Now

(54:27):
in specific to this paragraph, I just I want to
talk about this for a second without getting too crazy.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
In Conspiracy, where it.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Talks about the question of the plane that allegedly turned
off as transponder.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
So it sounds like the FBI is at the very.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Least confirming that there was a jet, a private jet
that left Provo likely Provo, Utah, and at some point
in time had turned off their ADSB.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
That was the accusation.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
They have since said that the pilot and consulting with
the fa said that we determined the transponder was not
turned off, but it was incomplete flight data. This is
a problematic for me, just being an aviation for as
long as I have been for I don't know, twenty
plus years. The only time that you get a ADSB,
which is where and how they track aircraft, anytime that

(55:19):
you get this from an aircraft to where all of
a sudden, the ADSB seems to not respond anymore or
it goes offline. You're talking about over far oceans or
in extreme parts of Alaska. That is typically the only
places you're going to see ADSB not be able to
respond or contact. So there's a problem with this for me,

(55:41):
especially with the actual circumstance of what they're saying. As
far as the FAA said, well, it was just it
was in a rural area. That just doesn't happen in
the United States in the lower forty eight and so
there are things like, yeah, there's weird stuff.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Me let me jump in. Weird stuff going on? Of course, right,
and here's the thing. So, so first of all, they
are addressing the claims that are happening. Right. So another
one of his claims was somehow this plane is kind
of First of all, there's nothing to connect the plane
to anything that's going on. This is the first problem, right,
what does the plane have to do with any of this?
Maybe if we didn't have a suspect, then maybe that

(56:17):
could have made sense. But we caught the suspect in
under what thirty three hours I think it was. And
how we caught the suspect the dad recognized his son
in the video. Okay, so and they caught him what
two hundred and fifty miles away. So when we're doing
this kooky stuff about oh well there's a plane that
went off, this is like with m A three seven zero,

(56:38):
when people are like, what about this weird fa thing
with this plane, Like, tell, there's like a little thing
on the tracker where this plane like moves super fast?
Is this this must be the ORBS? There's that, No,
there's not. Doesn't necessarily all come together. People are trying
to connect dots that don't connect together. So this is
why you have to take all the evidence and come

(56:58):
up with a story that makes sense. I was gonna
press Ian Carroll today and say, you give me the
timeline who you think shot him, where they went, what
they went, and it's got to be consistent with the
fact that we've got the shooter in custody. His dad
recognized him, and his dad turned him in, or at
least they caused him to turn in. It was he

(57:19):
confessed to his father about it when confronted. He We
also have two more documented confessions, okay, one text messages
with his furry lover and another one in the discord. Okay,
So now in order for him to not be the guy,
you need all of these things to be fit. This
is the problem. People have painted themselves into a corner

(57:42):
because now you need so many people to be in
on the conspiracy. You need the shooter to be in
on it. You need his dad to be sentencing his
own son to death. You need Discord to be in
on it. You also now need that the furry lover
is also in on it. And you also have to
come up a way where the FBI created these texts
messages and then release them. I'll tell you what, guys,

(58:03):
that's not what they do when they're doing a cover up.
They don't go, hey, guys, here's some text messages and
we're gonna release them to you. You know why they don't
do that because now, either party, the shooter or the transfer,
if they were to come out and say those text
messages are fake, it's gonna blow up the whole case.
The whole case is gonna blow up. Yeah, use your mind.
What they do. What they do is they don't release anything.

(58:26):
If they were doing a cover up, they wouldn't release
anything at all. That's what they did with that ma
A Street seven zero, Let me finish land my plane.
Here is that people have been trying to compare this
tom A Street seven zero. Do you know what the
government's official position is on m A Street seven zero? Nothing?
They never us US government never said anything except for
the fact that they looked at the pilot simulator and
they said that there's nothing suspicious about it. So when

(58:48):
people are trying to compare this and say you why
are you trust the government, all of a sudden, what
do you mean? They never said anything about m a
streets And that's the point. And I want to say
this as well, m MA Streeteve zero. I didn't get
into the case of m Shree Sieve zero till nine
years after it disappeared, a completely cold case where we
had searched. Now, if it would have been a boring

(59:09):
of me, if I was pushing that ma A three
seven zero conspiracy like days after the plane disappeared, people
would have been like, you're crazy, we haven't even searched yet.
But that's not the case. When I got involved mshus
and zero, they had already searched for years and found nothing,
found nothing in the official search. So there is absolutely
no comparison whatsoever to be made between them A three

(59:33):
seven zero situation and what the Schitzo conspiracy theory people
are doing right now on this.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
All right, Well, so the only thing I would respond
to that action is, you know, trying to play Devil's
advocate here because we don't have a e en to
actually debate.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Because they add show up text messages.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Yeah, well yeah, we're not there.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Well we'll get into text messages a minute, because that's
that's very interesting as well. But the same way that
you believe the government is hiding the MS three seventy
disappearing right and and or or their cover up. Do
you also maybe see why other people automatically maybe jump
to conclusions, whether it's Israel or government CIA, whatever, where
no one really trusts the government anymore. You know, you

(01:00:15):
look at Cash Mattel and the Trump administration with Epstein
thing to where just the other day Cash Bettel says, well,
we know that Epstein, at least as far as the
evidence that we have, did not traffic any children to anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
And he said this in front of Congress.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
And the interesting thing about the was Thomas Massey came
on and said, oh, really, is that really what happened,
because we have all these witnesses that say this, these
kids were trafficked to these people and he was literally
reading off names.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
But yet we know the government's lying to us. We
know the FBI director's lying to us. We know that
for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
And one thing I will say, we had Jason Hanson
on ci office or former ciof He used to.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
Go on, yeah, but he said it was open and shutcase,
just like Ashton Satan.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
Yeah, but pretty much.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
But listen, here's this is like one of the most
open shutcases possible. You don't have to believe the government
to understand that this was a leftist lunatic that did this. Literally,
his dad is his dad's not the government. Discord is
not the government, guys. This is the problem. People are
just conflating everything and saying that everything is equal, and
it's not. It's not how it works. This is the

(01:01:21):
problem with you, guys, And I have to be honest
to my fans of follows. This is why I had
to purge you guys, is that you are telling me
I'm losing I'm losing credibility with people that have no
credibility themselves. This is only going to increase my credibility
because I'm actually using logic and reason and you are not.
And this is why I had to purge you all out,
because I realized from this that the people that are

(01:01:44):
following me, the people that claim to support me, that
don't even really retweet in my content or engage with
my content ever, they are just completely off the deep end,
full on. Everything's a conspiracy. There's always another layer. And
I even have a term for it. I call it
hitting on nineteen. You never hit on nineteen, and you
brought this upon yourselves. This is your fault and you

(01:02:06):
need to own it. And I'm talking to the people
out there that have been pushing this stuff because you
pushed all these inconsistencies without waiting. You should have waited
for the full evidence to come out, then you can
start figuring out if there's inconsistencies in the official story.
But since you didn't do that, you lost all credibility,
permanently damaging your cause. So for the people out there

(01:02:29):
that are the you know, the low iq, anti semis
or whatever, I want you to understand that you permanently
damage your cause from this permanently did There's nothing you
can do about that now. And the only the best
thing that you can do is that you can admit
that you were wrong and you shouldn't have done it.
Apologize to Erica Kirk who now her children are gonna
have to deal with this psychotic conspiracy for the rest

(01:02:50):
of their lives. And you can admit that you're wrong.
This is the thing that I was gonna press Ian on.
These people can never ever ever admit that they're wrong,
because if they do that, the people that are all in,
people that are following them will turn against them. And
they know it, but that's what must happen. Otherwise we cannot.
This just gets worse and worse the situation. People just

(01:03:11):
constantly are hitting on nineteen. In fact, this is so bad,
this is like hitting on twenty one. And we've got
the shooter in custody, We've got all the evidence that
we ever need. The guys one hundred percent going to
be found guilty. He's going to be put to death
unless Erica Kirk whatever steps in she said she did,
she forgive him and she's not seeking the death penalty.
So you guys did this, as shelf by painting yourself
into a corner by going all in on this. And

(01:03:31):
let's please share a couple more text messages here if
you pull up my thing, I'll try to go through
these pretty quick. So if you can pull this up,
so right here, this is again Ian, this is today.
This is today. Ian Carroll's hasn't stopped yet. He's now
sharing Harrin Smith, this is also a fake story, and
he's These guys are all just sharing fake stories that

(01:03:54):
each of them are posting, and they're presenting it as facts.
They're presenting it as definitive, right, and it's not. I mean,
Ian Carroll has not back down from this. Look at
this right, He even underlines it right there. He thinks
Israel killed them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Let's go to some more. Here's Candace Owns. Candace Owns
was backtracking saying, I never said that Israel did it. Sorry, guys,
you murdered my friend. Who is she talking about? Who
does she think murdered her friend? By the way, he's
not really her friend. She lied about that too. She
didn't even show up to the memorial, and I almost
guarantee they told her not to because she's been pushing
this skitzo stuff. And so if you see here and

(01:04:32):
you read the contact, she's talking about Israel Netan Yahoo,
it's pretty clear what she's insinuating. She's insinuating Israel did it.
But then she wants to backtrack and say, no, I
never said Israel did it. Shut the fuck up, Candace.
Here's Ian Carroll again. Ian Carroll goes, this was like
the thirteenth or September eleventh, September thirteenth. There it is, right.
So I've been pushing this guy for over a week,

(01:04:55):
did a whole stream. My current stance is not that
Israel did it. Okay, well, what does this tweet say?
Yesterday was a turning point for this is less than
twenty four hours after Charlie Kirk was dissassinated. Yesterday was
a turning point for Israel US relations. Less than twenty
four hours in the Internet already figured out who the
most likely culprit was. He was their friend. He basically

(01:05:15):
dedicated his life to them, and they murdered him in
front of their family. Israel just shot themselves. This is
one of the most abbhorrent tweets I've ever seen. This
tweet alone should cancel Ian Carroll for life. Joe Rogan
should issue a public apology for why he ever platformed
this disgusting piece of shit drifter. And before you get

(01:05:37):
mad at me, there's more. Here's him questioning the magic
bullet after it turned out the bullet does exist. Here's
him questioning the executive producer of TPUSA of Charlie Kirk,
who literally wrote a speech today, literally spoke today just
a few hours ago, trying to keep the conspiracy alive. Absolutely,

(01:05:58):
why can't just admit he's wrong? And then uh, okay,
that one. That's so that's about it. So let me
unshore this. So this is the thing. These guys have
no way that they should be able to backtrack. Now. Actually,
there's one more video that I want to share here
because this was Ian Carroll just on Friday, just on
Friday that he shared this video, and I think we

(01:06:21):
should watch this together. I think you'll enjoyed it, at
least a little bit of it. Okay, so'll pull this up.
So this is Ian Carroll's getting all this backlash and
he deserves it from his stupid tweets and posts where
he clearly clearly has already decided that Israel did it
before any evidence had come out. Let's see what he says.

Speaker 8 (01:06:41):
Some of the largest political people in America assassinated on
live TV. Your first thought should be, was this a
professional assassination? What my first.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Thought should be? It's a professional assassination. No, my first
thought must be another trans person, And it's not necessarily.
There are definitely crazy cooks that take shots at people.
Usually the crazy Koks seem to get an arsenal of
guns and go into a school and go on a
suicide mission essentially, and you know, murder a bunch of

(01:07:18):
people and then take their own life. That's what usually
seems to happen.

Speaker 8 (01:07:24):
Not usually are they planning out a carefully orchestrated hit
that involves them getting away clean and then giving a
whole text message admission of guilt on regular old texts.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Like right and so. And he doesn't even address the
text the text exists. He just wants to dismiss that.
Keep going, Keep going, Ian, we have more than enough
evidence to be asking the question, was their intelligence agencies
involved in this? There's literally no evidence that points to

(01:07:57):
intelligence agencies being involved in this. Literally none way more
than enough evidence to ask that question me.

Speaker 8 (01:08:06):
And when you start asking that question legitimately, that's how
you get to the Israel conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Now, this is exactly how Ian's gone completely off the rails, right,
and the Israel conversation is not one.

Speaker 8 (01:08:18):
No one is claiming at this point that anyone knows
for sure that it was Israel.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Literally, Ian Carroll said right away, I showed you guys
the text. Just now less than twenty four hours later
he was saying that it was Israel. And now, I mean,
this is just straight up gasling. This is what the
left does, right, They gaslight you, They lie, they do
inversion of reality. We've seen the text messages. Buddy, you're canceled.
Let's keep going, eh, I'm done.

Speaker 8 (01:08:43):
Canice Owens, Talker, Carlson, Dave Smith, all the right wing
commentators that are involved in this conversation that were involved
in Charlie's life and the scandal around the Israel stuff,
none of them have at all made the claim that
Israel was involved in this in any way.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
HI have made that claim because I'm not involved. This
is not my case to solve. Okay, there he goes.
It's not his case to solve exactly. Ian shut the
fuck up? Holy shit, how is he gonna do this? Trash?
This is actually worse than what Jimmy Kimmel did, if
I have to be honest, because he's right, he should

(01:09:22):
have nothing to do with this and he shouldn't even
be bringing it up. But he's perpetuating this conspiracy. He's
pretending like he's not when he is.

Speaker 8 (01:09:31):
I was not involved. I didn't know Charlie. I was
not involved in turning point, I'm staying out of it.
I am a dude on the se He's not staying
out of it. There's no not only is he not
staying out of it, and he's still literally retweeting this
shit right now today while he should be hearing a
debate facing me destroying him. I cannot tell you you

(01:09:52):
cannot have a lower opinion of this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
And for all the psychos in the chat right now
who are freaking out because their heroes a complete fraud,
take a good look. This is the guy destroying your movement.

Speaker 8 (01:10:06):
Sidelines looking in. I've purposely not asked Candas for any
inside information. I've not tried to dig in to like
get fucking a bunch of sources and stuff, because I.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Don't want to get in I don't want to get
in there. This is not my thing. What do you
mean you don't want to get in there. Okay, that's enough.
I've had enough of Ian Carroll's disgusting mustache and face.
He goes, I'm not trying to get in there, dude,
You're noth Literally I looked at his posts and his
tweeter is Twitter. It's wall the Wall, Schizo Israel stuff.
Literally wall the Wall. That's it, except for the one

(01:10:35):
tweet that I showed you where he's weirdly supporting LGB. Bro.
How about we send you to Gaza and we'll see
how much LGB support there is in Gaza bro and
so this is just totally crazy, the amount of gas.
And by the way, for the next six minutes in
that video, he literally plays all the clips that everybody's
been sharing, claiming that Charlie Kirk has had this change

(01:10:59):
of heart on is to again support the theory that
the insinuation. So not only he says I don't want
to be involved, don't and then he just goes and
does the same thing again. The guy either has no
self awareness or I don't know what's going on with him.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
But let's talk about these claims for a minute. What
are these claims and how like valid are they?

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Well let me let me, let me play a clip,
and so a lot of this has come from this
clip on Meghan Kelly. We'll play this right now because
you had mentioned it just a minute ago, Ashton, Uh.
We'll play this clip of what Charlie Kirk actually said
with Megan Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Listen, let me start this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Start the behavior there we go here, we.

Speaker 9 (01:11:38):
Go by a lot, both privately and publicly, are pushing
people like you and me away, not like we're going
to be pro hamas, not like we're gonna but we're like, honestly,
the way you are treating me is so repulsive. I
have text messages Meghan calling me an anti Semite. I
am learning difficult Hebrew and writing a book on the Shabbat.

(01:12:01):
I honor the Shabbat literally the Jewish Sabbath. I visit
Israel and fight for it. And there's another article out
in the Times of Israel today.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
I could read it on air.

Speaker 9 (01:12:09):
I was just reading before I got on Charlie, what
are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Like, why are you? What am I doing?

Speaker 9 (01:12:15):
I'm sorry, Like, let's just take a step back here,
Like I'm an American citizen. Yes I want Israel to win.
Yes I'm a Christian. But like the some of the
message you saw it, man, you've seen I'll have been
treated in Meghan by some, not all, by some.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
No, it's very irritating. It's almost unfair.

Speaker 10 (01:12:33):
They were coming after you after turning point for among others.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Show you a Dave Smith there, Dave Smith is allowed
to criicize Israel. You're both sides of Israel allows.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Though, no, you're not allowed to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
It's even worse than that.

Speaker 9 (01:12:47):
Again, I just want to repeat for the fifth time,
I love Israel, I want Israel to win. But my
moral character is now being put into question, Meghan. Not
my decisions, not like hey, are you doing this? Is
it smart? Or is it done? But no, I am
a bad person if I do this and it's I
could go. I mean, you saw it, Megan. It was
trending on Twitter, thousands of tweets and text messages, and

(01:13:10):
if I were to be charitable and generous, I will
say the people that are attacking me are in a
hyper paranoid state because they're at war, and war tends
to make things black and white, and you're a hammer
looking for a nail. So I'm trying to be charitable, Megan. Literally,
I'm trying to cut as much slack as I can. Right,
They go, Okay, what would it be like if all
of a sudden, I'm starting to see a pattern of

(01:13:33):
behavior similar to what my grandparents saw in nineteen thirties
Germany online.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
How would I behave?

Speaker 9 (01:13:38):
So that's like my charitable kind of over compensation spirit.
At the same time, I'm like, but you're it's not
defensible to be dumb, right yeah, And it's offensive.

Speaker 10 (01:13:50):
It's offensive to those of us who have been out
there defending them in many instances against critics on our
own side. And now you have a couple of kouns like,
well what about this? Well has it gone on too long?
Like is it time to wrap it up? And the
thing about Epstein is just so bizarre. I don't know
who he was an agent for. It might have been
Israel or an asset, or it might have been nobody.
But we're allowed to speculate about that. It's like, you

(01:14:13):
can't go there when it comes to Israel.

Speaker 9 (01:14:16):
Well, you and I believe that we're Americans and Americans
first period, end of story. We are citizens of this nation, okay.
And Israel we have funded, we have supported, and they're
up against a sea of Islamic totalitarianism and we should
be cheering for them, right because they're up against we
need gariants and monsters and we want them to win. However,

(01:14:40):
here is Megan Kelly and Charlie Kirk combined probably thirty
million social media followers like pretty right, and you and
I have been holding this down and you probably get
the negative, Oh, you're just shilling for Israel.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Whatever.

Speaker 9 (01:14:51):
I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna do what's right regardless of
the feedback right. But then all of a sudden, like
I host a person that I I moderate the debate
of my right right, and I give equal time to
Josh Hammer, equal time to a pro Israel advocate, and
my moral character is being put into question, And so

(01:15:13):
I just I think it's a hyper paranoid like we're
just going to try to We're gonna just stamp out
everything type type of practice. But it goes to the
point where if, for example, if I have lessing in
said here abilities sometimes online to criticize the Israeli government, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Willing to listen to clips. I don't want to listen
to fourmath, but that literally is nothing in there. This
is the insane shit that people are doing. What am
I supposed to take from that? He's mildly critical of
Israel because Jews are sensitive. Yeah, I know Jews too,
they are sensitive. In fact, I think it's appropriate to
be critical of that. It certainly does not mean they
killed him. In fact, it's insane to take that clip

(01:15:54):
and use that as evidence that Israel killed him. Literally insane, which,
by the way, but what a chat that are, Like,
listen to this you need psychological help. That is really mundane.
Let me play a clip for you. This was only
a few weeks ago. This is this is Charlie Kirk
directly speaking to you, the obsessed jew people. Get ready

(01:16:17):
for it. This is this is, this is our.

Speaker 9 (01:16:20):
Core of the internet of people that want to point and.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Blame the Jews for all their problems.

Speaker 6 (01:16:25):
Everybody.

Speaker 9 (01:16:25):
This is demonic and some of the pet of help,
and it should not be followed truly, but to go
through the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Problem of an entire generation.

Speaker 9 (01:16:36):
That has economic present if they don't own anything, they're
not getting married, they're not having children, they're depressed, they're anxious,
they're staring at their screens all day long, and all
of a sudden, your extraparation of all that is, well,
it's the Jews fault.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
That is sloppy and shallow thinking.

Speaker 6 (01:16:51):
And now only that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
They say, oh, it's the juice fault. Okay, well, let's
not play this out.

Speaker 9 (01:16:55):
Well, tuberculosis, like you said, kill about a billion people,
you know, in a group of Jewish scientists, and.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
That's all we need. You can go back, so straight
off the bat, he says, you people that are making
everything about the Jews, which is one hundred percent what
these people are doing. You are demonic demnic Listen carefully
that other clip you were playing that was just some weird,
mundane clip. I can't that's the actual evidence. It's just

(01:17:26):
ridiculous how these people are twisting it to try to do.
These are the same people saying that they're not blaming
Israel here trying to twist Charlie Kirk's pretty mundane words
or the other thing they'll say is oh well, net
and Yahoo came out and he blamed Islam. No he didn't.
I listened to the clip. Yahoo was equating the left

(01:17:48):
who did kill Charlie Kirk, the trans, homosexual, free whatever
lover guy. He was equating them to the Islamists who
are violent, who litter, strap bombs to themselves and blow
themselves up. Now, I'm not saying there's a right or
wrong in the Holy War, truthfully, I don't. If you
guys want to destroy yourselves, fine, I think if you

(01:18:09):
are so low IQ that some weird Holy War fight
over land is you know, your major concern in this world,
then honestly you're just not You're not intelligent enough to
have like advanced technology that the government, and I just
want to.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
Ask you guys, what does Israel have to gain from
an assassination to Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Well, they don't, because there is.

Speaker 5 (01:18:33):
For Israel in this whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
If they were going to if they were trying to
silence political people, they're not going to go after Charlie
Kirk first. They're going to go after Ian Carroll or
Nick Fuentes or Canvas Owens or the other people were
actually not just being critical but making documentaries putting all
us propaganda out there. I mean, one mundane post about
it and here by the way, and for the people

(01:18:55):
that went all in on those, and they went all
in on the one hundred and fifty million dollars bribe
and the secret messages the Candice Bones doesn't actually have
she's a complete liar. Well, Charlie Kirk's wife is about
to address those on a podcast this week, So I'm
going to go ahead and say there's a really good
chance that those narratives are about to be annihilated, and
that these people are trying to say this owns is

(01:19:16):
trying to say that he's my best friend, he was
my best friend, when she's not. He was not his
best friend. So I know his state of mind. That's
what they're They're trying to say, nobody knows Charlie Kirk's
state of mind better than his wife. Right, well, I
don't want to hear anything Ian Carroll. These other people
are already trying to set up that his wife is
already in on this. Don't you even try it. Don't
you even try it. I'm going to come down on

(01:19:37):
you so hard if I want, I.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Want to talk about something real quick, because I mean,
we have to at least make this a known statement
on this show, on this podcast, is that although I
do not think that Israel killed Charlie Kirk, the criticisms
of Israel are.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Valid in my address that too. If you don't mind that, yes,
is I believe that there is probably a genocide happening
in Palestine. Absolutely. I don't believe that the Masad is good,
just like I don't believe the CIA is good. I
believe that the CIA Masade are like this. I'm the
one who actually one of the only people that reported
on the fact that the Massad assassinated nine nuclear scientists

(01:20:16):
a few months back. You can find my Twitter post
about it. I mean, it's pretty scary, because why am
I talking about that because zero point energy is connected
to nuclear physics one hundred percent. So why are they
taking those people out? Because they know that these type
of people that are deranged, that will literally use a
weapon like that and possibly eradicate all of us, including themselves,

(01:20:38):
can never be allowed to have this technology. And they're right.
They're right. I don't know. It's hard for you guys
to hear that, but it is now. I'm not saying
that we're gonna have to let Israel win or Palestine win.
I don't really care. I just care that we can't
wipe ourselves off the face of the earth.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Yeah, so Ashton too.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
I mean, you know, with people like Ian Carol and
Candi Sowans, which are immediately Israel, everything's.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Israel no matter what.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Like if you get an ingrown Tonew, Israel probably did
it right, and they're gonna make sure they know that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
But I promise you, but I promise you, there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Are people on the other side that are one hundred
percent Israel does nothing wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
And I've seen these people on social media.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
By the way, one of these people actually retweeted one
of your posts earlier, misfit Patriot, and I saw he
had retweeted, Yeah, I saw that he had posted this,
and I've actually a couple of times went back and
forth because no matter what misfit patriot, if you want,
if you want to see and by the way, for
anyone does know, there are paid assets on both sides.

(01:21:41):
You know, when leading up to the election of Kamala
Harris versus Trump, and you would have these posts that
Kamala Harris would post, and you would look at these,
you would look at the tweets, just scroll through them.
They were all pretty much identical. You could see probably
one hundred posts that were almost damn near identical.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
These are bot farms.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
These are bot farms that are propping up these posts,
making the narrative, creating a narrative.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
And then on top of that, you also had people.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Like the Crasentine brothers, You had people like Harry Sisson.
You had all these assholes on that side saying, oh,
Kamala Harris is the best thing ever, Oh Biden is
not seen aw whatsoever. He is the greatest president we've
ever had in our entire life. And these are the
people that prop this shit up. And so then you
also see people with the Israel narrative they'll do the

(01:22:30):
exact same thing. And these are not just boss these
are actually assets to whatever that faction of the narrative is.
But here's the question, Ashin. I know for sure there
are people that are pro Israel out there that are
being funded, probably either by APAK or some type of
faction to where they want to make sure that the
conversation stays alive about Israel. And then think about this

(01:22:52):
Charlie kirkbandad now he was assassinated by.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
But no, I'm not saying funded.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
I'm saying no, I'm not even saying Israe had anything
to do with this. All I'm saying is is that
you have these people that are funded on the left
that supports and props up Israel. And then you look
at when Charlie Kirk was assassinated. This pro Christian pro
Jesus movement has just I mean, it's the biggest thing
I've ever seen in America.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
But you know, you have it on both sides.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
The question is like, if Ian and Candace are pushing
this shit so hard, who would be funding them?

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
If we know exactly if guys.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Like a lot of people think that, and it might
be it might be getting indirectly funded, but unlikely. Honestly,
I think that it is just we're in the middle
of a holy war. It's a holy war, guys. There's
a huge amount of propaganda on both sides, don't I
don't think one side is better than the other. Frankly, like,
that's just the reality is the situation. And yes, and
I talked to people on both sides. I'm following Nick Fuentez.

(01:23:55):
I just followed the Midst Patriot guy. It's not because
I agree with this stuff. I've seen his you know,
kind of like pretty far out there, and obviously propaganda takes.
They're in the middle of a propaganda war. That doesn't
give you permission to use Charlie Kirk's death right. That's
why I'm doing this because if you want to, the
first question I'm going to ask you is why do
you think I'm doing this. It's not because I'm a

(01:24:16):
Zionist shill or I you know, not because I'm Jewish.
It's because you're literally pulling Charlie Kirk's death into the
middle of your propaganda holy war. That's the reason why
I'm coming down on these people. And if the other
side did it, I would be going just as hard
on them as well. It just turns out in this
case they did it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
So what is the holy war?

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Essen? What if that's not my whealehouse. I'm not going
to get into that whatsoever. But what I do want
to get into is last thing I was saying is
this in terms of that, but it's in terms of
the conspiracy. Here's the thing you need to be able
to ask yourself, And this is what I would have
asked you. What is it going to take for you
to admit that you're wrong? That is the question. If

(01:24:56):
you can't answer that question, then you are you have
the blinders on, you are too biased. In that case,
people ask me that question, what would it take, Ashton
for you to admit that them AH three seven zero
videos are fake? And I do have an answer. Find
the plane or find the hoaxer of the videos. These
are things that would absolutely prove the videos are fake.

(01:25:16):
If you find the plane in the South Indian Ocean,
then obviously it get zapp to Diego Garcia or whatever videos,
then obviously they're fake videos. But there isn't a hoaxer.
There isn't a plane. This also, if you don't have
some boundary to say, this is where the boundary is
of proof, then your story doesn't make any sense. And

(01:25:39):
I was gonna ask you, what is your story? And
I know his answer is, I don't know. This is
what they say every time I say, Okay, if you
think all this stuff's fake, if you think that Israel,
what is the story, give me the timeline, give me
the evidence, throw it out there. You notice in that
video that he shows, he said there's plenty of evidence
to blame Israel, but he doesn't list any of it.
And then he just shows that video the clips that
are just like, what is that video clip of Charlie

(01:26:00):
Kirk talking to Megan Kelly. It's like, oh, he he
was just slightly critical of how Jewish people are super
defensive of their of the you know, people that attack
them and antisemit. I do think they're overly sensitive, absolutely,
But I have talked to somebody like Nick Flent's, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
And I've been thinking about like, what would be the
pros of Israel assassining Charlie Kirk?

Speaker 5 (01:26:23):
What are the pros? Is there any pros for them
doing that?

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
No, I don't think so. Listen, but let's talk about
this for a second. So for for Ian and Kannis's
stance on this is that you know he was getting
a little more anti Israel or than pro Israel.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
I don't believe necessarily as a case, like you said, Ashton,
and I do agree.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
You know, if you want one of the most.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Thoughts reporters or supporters of Israel, you have Charlie Kirk.
But also at the same time you have Charlie Kirk,
which was the biggest movement turning point USA, and it
probably is going to be even bigger now. I mean,
after Charlie Kirk's death, You're not going to have Charlie
Kirk again.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
Oh but Erica is going to be the CEIO our
c sorry CIO is like CIO CEO CEO.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Yeah, yeah, but that doesn't matter. Charlie Kirk is gone.
You're not going to have another Charlie Kirk. It doesn't
matter what it is. And this is not going to
help Israel.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
This is not going to help her stance in any way,
shape or form.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
But the reality of this is is that you know,
you have all of these things and whatever Erica Kirk
says Wednesday on the show, will she will? She actually
kind of talk about the Israel and the conspiracies and
people like Candace and Ian. We have not talked a
lot about, by the way yet Candace. We talked a
lot about Ian. But let's briefly talk about Candace because Ashton,

(01:27:44):
you've went on Candie Owen's podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Candace brought you on.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
She wanted to talk about m Street seventy because what
I will say, and I think this is why a
lot of people like Candace or you know, she she's
not scared to talk about the things that is kind
of taboo. And so with the imas Tree seventy thing,
she brought you on. She said, hey, let's bring Ashen on.
Very smart guy. She wanted you to present your case

(01:28:10):
for Inmate Street seventy. And I literally saw a tweet,
post or ex or whatever the hell you want to
call it the other day and they said for Ashton
to go so hardcore against Candace, knowing that Candace supported
him with the Mustry seventy thing, he must be he
must have got contacted or something. Yeah, so that's been

(01:28:31):
a big narrative. But what exactly, like, what was the
big thing that Candace said was she kind of blaming Israel?
What was some of the arguments that she had with
Israel and Charlie kirk ssassination.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Well, I mean I showed you the tweets, so you know,
I saw those tweets a second ago where she was
claiming they killed him, they killed my friend, all this stuff.
And then she was saying that she has some messages
and stuff but she can't show them. She won't show them,
and initial was gonna put them behind payball, showed them
at all. Nick called her out on that, so that
she needs to release those messages. They just don't exist, right,

(01:29:05):
Like in my opinion, she's just pathological liar. And let
me play this clip here because when she's claiming to
be Charlie's friend, she released a message from like May
that was probably the last message she had for something
of your friend. You haven't talked to them in what
five months or something like that. That's just an acquaintance
that's not your best friend, not even close to your
best friend. So and I didn't seem that, you know,

(01:29:29):
incredible that in the conversation, like three messages back and forth.
Like my buddy Dave ROSSI just did an interview with
Eric W. Davis, who was one of these UFO whistleblowers.
I talked to him like almost every other day, so
that was somebody like I should be able to show messages,
you know. So she claimed out these receipts, doesn't have them.
People are calling her out. I'm calling her out in
her reply, she's not addressing it. She's not addressing any

(01:29:50):
of these major questions that are being asked about her
supposed evidence that she has. She convinced Dave Smith a
Tucker Carlson the day after, two days after to come
on and try to help build up this narrative that
Israel is turning on Charlie Kirk. Dave Smith released some
text messages and they were totally mundane as well, and

(01:30:10):
Dave Smith I could tell I was super uncomfortable. He
did a podcast the day before where he was like
talking he says, I think he mentions Ian Carroll and
he's like, dude, what's the evidence for why Israel's involved
in this? And he was super awkward because he didn't
want to be attacking his friends. And this is show
zero integrity. Dave Smith should get dragged over the coals

(01:30:30):
for this because then the next day he goes on
Candace Owens and starts promoting her schizo conspiracy theory. Right,
It's like, dude, you have no integrity if that's what
you do. So just because Candace Owens had me on
that doesn't mean I owe her anything. She's the one
making money off me in the story. So you know,
you may say, oh, well she gave you exposure. Great,

(01:30:52):
I don't want that kind of exposure if this is
where she's gonna take it. If she had done this now,
I wouldn't go on her show anymore. But back then
she was just like you guys said. I thought she
was exposing stuff. We had great conversation expect when I
went in there, there was nothing, no, nothing had been set.
There was no ground rules for how the conversation was
going to go. I went into the lions Den thinking

(01:31:15):
that I'm going to be able to you know whatever.
She might attack me, she might try to debunk it.
I didn't know, and she was respectful. Now I'll give
you my true opinion on it. I don't think she
could really stay on the same level of the discussion
that was happening. She had some good insights, for sure,
related to plane, but the science and stuff was you know, overhead,
which is fine not judging her for that. So ultimately, though,

(01:31:35):
I don't owe these people anything for me. You know,
just because someone platform me great, that doesn't mean I
owe you for the rest of my life. Doesn't mean
I can't speak out against you when you're just lying
on the internet. Let me listen. Let's listen to this together.
Because people are calling her out saying, are you going
to even show up to the memorial? You're claiming to
be friends with Charlie Kirk, so clearly you're going to

(01:31:57):
go to them. Everybody's at the moment, So who's who
of every single you know podcaster is there? Elon Musk
is sitting next to Trump today, Bennie Johnson speaking, Jack Posts,
So you've got Tucker Carlson even speaking, which it was
kind of questionable whether or not he would be He
would be there because I with Candas Owens and started
spreading these rumories right which we all think are probably

(01:32:19):
going to be getting dispelled. So here's her response, And
this is how you can tell that she's trying to
set this narrative. She's trying to get ahead of the
narrative because people are questioning it. They're questioning receipts. The
receipts never materialized. Now she's claiming to be best friends
with Charlie Kirk. Now, let's listen to Canvas Owens.

Speaker 7 (01:32:35):
I said, there is no way we are going to
this event. Now, there's a zero percent chance. First and foremost,
why are you saying, but anybody can go to it.
You just buy a ticket to the event, and you're
all working to try to get me to confirm that
I'm going. And you're doing this as if you're trying
to like push my buttons and be like, we got
to make her get into her ego so she like
shows up and like post it on social media.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
Nope.

Speaker 7 (01:32:55):
Actually, you know, while I'm attacking the Feds, maybe not
going to a public event which the FEDS are organizing is.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
Probably a very good idea. I'm good.

Speaker 7 (01:33:04):
I'm gonna listen to Power on my headphones and go
seea how's that for a memorial for Charlie Kirk. That
feels like the right thing for me to do right now.
I said, there's no way you're going to do now, So.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
What was that? So there she is setting up the
narrative because she knows she's about to get destroyed because
I'm gonna go ahead and say it. I think they
told her not to come. I think they told her
you're not welcome, don't show up. And everybody who's asking her, a,
you're gonna show up, you're saying that you're her best friend.
You're best friend. And so now she's setting up this
bullshit narrative for Oh, I'm scared the FEDS are gonna

(01:33:39):
be there. What are you talk to about? Hell are
you talking about, Candice? It's the most secure events on
the face of the earth. They got military protect people arrested.
What have you done that the FEDS would arrest you for?
It's obviously bullshit. She's gonna go listen to Kanye West.
I mean, that's just a weird response. So for this,

(01:34:00):
people need to have integrity. Call her out. Just because
you like her, you're her friend, whatever, that does not
make it okay to be silent about this. She's lying,
and she's dragging Charlie Corpse's body around to make money
off of it, to grift off of it, to do
ad reads off of it, to tell people I'm going
to release the receipts, and then she never does, and

(01:34:21):
then she brags about how many people were watching, including going, oh,
there's two hundred and fifty thousand people watching. This is amazing.
You can tell that she sees dollar signs in her eyes, right,
And so this is where I say, like, honestly, at
this point with Canvas, I hope the Macron's just wipe
her out. She the lawsuit, the trans thing. I read
that lawsuit of not all of it, but significant. It's
like two hundred pages, and they have tons of receipts.

(01:34:44):
They've got photos of Bridge and Raccone. They've got newspaper
clippings when she was born, when she got married, her children,
all this stuff. Candas is going to get annihilated by
them unless she can find out on a technicality, And
to be honest, it might be what needs to happen,
because obviously she's delusional. I mean looked at that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:04):
I do think that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:06):
But you know, she did do a podcast and she
used Bbe for example, and when he came on Fox
News and said, you know, we really supported Charlie Kirk,
we loved him, blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
It was a great friend.

Speaker 4 (01:35:17):
He was a great friend of Israel. And she read
a portion of the art showed a portion of where
he was reading the letter.

Speaker 5 (01:35:25):
She said she wanted receipts of the whole letter. Why
do you think that is?

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
Yeah, because apparently this letter from Charlie Kirk said a
lot more than what BB She.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
Had it, right, isn't that the receipts that she said
she had there? Is it? She's like, Oh, she said
something about if they keep attacking me, I'm going to
release it. And that was when Nick was like, yo,
release the letter. You can't just hide this whole disiver
if you've got some secret evidence. And she does it right,
she does it. So the reality is that she had it,
she would have released it because she's been getting annihilated
on social media. I mean in the last two days

(01:35:56):
there was a huge campaign of people just straight up
blocking her, including myself, because I'm done with her. When
I saw that clip, that's when I'm done with her gaslighting, Like,
you got to be kidding me. You're trying to pretend
like you're not going because you're scared. That's not why
you're not going. You're not going because you're not wanted there. Yeah,
And so I expect that Charlie Kirk's wife is going
to come out pretty hard over these accusations. And if

(01:36:18):
you watch the clip from the podcast, there's like the
podcaster released a kind of intro about the interview that's
going to be coming out. They say they are going
to address all these claims, including one hundred and fifty
million dollar bribe, so presumably the letter. So hopefully we'll
find out the truth. And anybody that tries to cast
doubt or attack them and say that they're owned or whatever,

(01:36:39):
let me give you some advice. Don't do that. Don't
do that. You've already done enough damage to your own
movement at this point. Just call this. Just take the L.
Just take the L, boys, take the L on this one.
You lost badly. You tried to turn this into an
Israel thing. It backfired like the watermelon girl, boom, blow
it up on your face, and it's only gonna get

(01:37:01):
worse if you keep pushing it. I'm not saying that
you can't hate Israel. I'm not saying that you can't
believe in conspiracy theories. Conspiracies clearly do happen. I'm just
saying it was a miss on this one. It was
a miss on this one. You shouldn't have gone after
Charlie Kirk. And what they did was they underestimated how
much people love Charlie Kirk. They underestimated how much of

(01:37:21):
an impact Charlie Kirk was going to have on the right.
The last thing I want to say about this is
this to expose both Ian Carroll and Candice Owens. Anybody
who disagrees with anything I've said, go ahead and look
at their Twitter feeds. Show me where you see either
of them giving condolences or memorializing or talking about Charlie

(01:37:45):
Kirk at all. Show me anywhere where they're saying rest
in peace, Charlie Kirk or wow, Charlie Kirk is going
to help change everything. They're not. They have no sympathy
whatsoever for the fact that Charlie Kirk died. You go
look at my feed everywhere you're gonna see me talking
about you know, we're going to fight back because of this.
We're going to take out the woke left because of this.

(01:38:06):
Quoting things from Charlie Kirk retweeting some of his old content,
including a cool video that he had where he supposedly
saw some UFOs while he was flying around in a plane.
They're not doing anything to remember Charlie Kirk. All they're
doing is they're hurting his legacy. This exposes them for
exactly what they are. Everywhere else across Twitter you see
people memorializing him. It's turns, you know. And so this

(01:38:30):
is where this is the biggest reveal of all. If
you want to speculate on what's going on, here's speculation
for you. Here's a conspiracy theory for you. If you
want if the people out there things everything is conce
here's a real conspiracy. These people are out here to
divide the right. They want to take some of the
people on the right and try to convince them that
it was Israel. So we stop blaming the left the

(01:38:52):
people that are actually responsible for Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 4 (01:38:55):
Interesting and or here's the other side that I what if,
oh god, what.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
If someone implanted information into these people?

Speaker 5 (01:39:05):
I knew you were going to go that way? This
just the reverse of the reverse of the reverse psychology.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
Well listen, what if what if though some quote unquote
credible sources implanted the information into them to where it
made them look crazy for even saying this shit so soon,
to where it kind of excused Israel's other discretions.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
Yeah, I mean maybe, you know, I think that there
could be a distraction and basically saying could it be
a distraction?

Speaker 5 (01:39:36):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
To me, that makes more sense than Israel being involved
in you know, his assassinations. It's distracting us from other
it's distracting us from Epstein's shirt. I believe that before
I'll believe that Israel assassinated paid a twenty two year
old you know, homosexual dating transferring right, Like, it's just
it's sorry, it's just beyond what I'm willing to believe in.

(01:39:58):
And I'm pretty open minded guy, So yes, to me,
it's more of like, are we being distracted by this stuff?
Why are they pushing it so hard? Why do they
keep pushing it even though their whole story is falling apart?
Why can't they let that go? And there's nothing I'll
say for the people out there that are really upset
with me, there's a lot that are really really upset.
Why you've been hearing so much about making this a conspiracy?

(01:40:20):
Think about this is what I was telling people. I've
been blocking a lot of people. If you're somebody that
is obsessed with this, why why are you so obsessed
with making this about an Israel, Constrier, Why are you
obsessed with making this to a conspiracy at all?

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
Right, I think that people that go against government and
don't trust government, those are the people that are looking
for the conspiracies because they don't believe in our own
government no periods.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
But just so, what what does that have to do
with Charlie Kirk? Just because you don't believe the government,
you have to make up a conspiracy about Charlie Kirk.
He's beloved. We're trying to literally put his body in
the ground. So this is the thing, like, can you
realize that people are sent about this and just let
it go? And the answer is no, they can't. And
the reason why they can't let it go is because

(01:41:05):
they're obsessed with making it about Israel. It's not about
Charlie Kirk. It's not about the truth. The people that
if they were actually after the truth, they would have
the grace to not talk about it and let people
grieve until after he's in the ground. Right, Yeah, that's
what they would have if it was about the truth.
So that's the reality of the situation. So what I
would tell people out there, and if people continue attacking,

(01:41:26):
I'm going to continue to block people. I don't care
how many followers I lose. I've lost like five thousand
followers over this, and I don't give it one shit.
I could lose all my three hundred thousand followers on
Twitter over this. You need to do some soul searching
the people that are still trying to push this right now,
you need to decide how much is this narrative worth
it to you? Is it worth it for you to
lose all your credibility? Is it worth it for you

(01:41:48):
to get completely shunned because you just can't let this go.
You need to decide that for yourself. Look internally and
really ask yourself, why do you care so much about
making a fake conspiracy related to Charlie Kirk that has
no evidence to support it, none at all, that is
contraindicated by all the evidence that's out there. Yeah, that's
what you have to ask yourself. And a lot of

(01:42:09):
people are not gonna handle this because their minds have
been broken. It's called brain rod been broken by this,
and I feel bad for those people, But you need
to get slapped. You need to get put in your place, and.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
That's before this next quick segment, before we end. What
is your religion and background, like just spirituality wise.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
Yeah, I address this the other day because people always
try to, you know, make me part of the conspiracy,
make anyone part of the conspiracy. I'm fully transparent. I've
always been fully transparent, and I've always been honest.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
Anyone that doesn't believe in God, right, what do you say?
I said, anyone that's a scientist doesn't believe in God.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
Talked about that there's no incompatibility between science and faith.
I'm not an atheist. I believe in God. I was
baptized Roman Catholic. I'm not practic scene, but I am
spiritual Baptized Roman Catholic. I did go to Jewish preschool
for like one year when I was like four years old.
Oh there it is. We got him.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
We got him.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
But then I went to public school up until high school.
And in high school my parents forced me to go
to Catholic high school where I went to mass Bible
study all that stuff, right, and then I've moved to
Singapore when I was in high school, so I literally
lived with international people from all over the world, every
possible religion and ethnicity. And then I came back to America.
I was actually let's say agnostic slash atheist in college

(01:43:33):
for a little bit, had a phase like that and
became more and more spiritual as I've grown older, and
now I do absolutely believe in God. I believe that
this universe is a construct and all constructs have a creator.
So there you go. That's my background. By the way,
none of my parents, none of my family is Jewish.
My mom's side of the family is Italian and German,
like three or four generations back. My dad's side is Scottish.

(01:43:54):
That's where Forbes comes from. Forbes is a long standing
Scottish name. There's a house Castle Forbes, all this stuff.
There you go. Now you know my background, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
So I do want to point this out because I
can't let this show go without saying this. And we're
talking about Charlie Kirk here. I know there's a big
debate between Israel Christianity.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
Did Israel do it? Did they not?

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
Obviously, I think we've summed up that we do not
at this time.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
Believe Israel's done it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
We also believe that there are grifters out there that
think or are trying to say that Israel has done it.
But I do want to say about Charlie Kirk and
his legacy. To Timothy four to seven says, I have
fought the good fight. I have finished a race. I
have kept the faith. Charlie's life really reflected this. He
wasn't perfect, but he lived with conviction. I mean, he

(01:44:41):
stood boldly for what he believed, even when it cost
him his life.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
In this case, and so what will our legacy be.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Will we be remembered just as people that didn't stand
for truth, or will we be remembered as people that
did stand for truth or the people that stood silent.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
Charlie Kirk was not silent.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
He stood for truth no matter what it cost him,
and eventually it did cost him his life. Joshua one
nine says, have I not commanded you be strong and courageous,
Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed for
that the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.
Fear is the tool of the enemy. When voices like
Charlie's are attacked, it is meant to intimidate us.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
But we must not be in fear.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
Instead, we trust that God goes before us. And so
no matter what you have to speak on truth and
especially God, he says, do not be fearful of what
you are supposed to say. This has been a big
thing with us on this podcast spirituality wise, it's like
what do we say? And so the church must never

(01:45:46):
shrink back like our calling as true seekers Ashton, You
people out there should be talking about what we can't
recede after this.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
Our calling is to be courageous and we cannot.

Speaker 5 (01:45:59):
Comprom could be Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 4 (01:46:01):
And even though I am not a Christian, I am
still a follower of Charlie Kirk. Yeah, and I believe
in what he stood for. And that's number one, you know.
And I think that there's this big elephant in the
room right now. You know about Israel and about Jews
and where they stand and where Christians stand.

Speaker 5 (01:46:22):
And I think we have to have this conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
Well, and I want to go on. So love is
our greatest weapon. John thirteen thirty four through thirty five says,
A new commandment I give you is that you love
one another, not just as I have loved you, but
you also have to love one another.

Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
By this, of all people that you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Know, you are my disciples if you have love for
one another. Charlie challenge us to think critically and stand
firm in this entire thing. That's why when he would
bring people to the microphone, he would say, you know, hey,
what is your situation?

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
And some of these people were trans some of these
people were whatever walks of life.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
And then when the crowd would start kind of booing
them or whatever, Charlie wuld say, no, no, let them
talk dude like this.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
This is the point of this conversation, right. And so
when hatred.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
Rises, love harder. When division deepens, build bridges. And that's
what you got to do. Romans one sixteen says, for
I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is
the power of God and the salvation for everyone who believes.
Charlie wasn't ashamed to speak boldly, and neither should we.
And the Gospel is something not to hide. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
The very power that changes hearts, families, and nations. And
I think if you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:47:33):
Look at Charlie Kirk's assassination, we have to have hard
conversations too.

Speaker 5 (01:47:38):
Though we're eight.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
Does it go like with exactly what Charlie Kirk believed in?
But his belief went far beyond the Christian belief. Yeah,
he believed in everyone, and he believed that everyone was
a child of God, no matter what their religion is,
if they didn't believe in God, or if they did
believe in God. He was trying to be a truth

(01:48:02):
seeker to bring those people to God and no matter
where they are or what their stance was. I think
that's the difference with Charlie Kirk and a lot of
other people.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
Yeah, I just let me just say that it's very
difficult to unbrainwash people. I saw that comment on the chat. Absolutely,
it may even be impossible, and that's what I said about,
you know, we may have to make hard decision about
how we stop this. But Charlie Kirk was one of
the kind. Watching his clips, what he did, nobody can
do what he did. So I went to college campuses
and he had the right kind of attitude to be
able to interact with these people who were screeching lunatics

(01:48:37):
that hated him right, and he did it with grace
every time. No I saw, I'm not eve gonna say
the guy's name is well, you'll know he's a cook.
He was trying to recreate be Charlie Kirk. He's trying
to go out there and do what Charlie Kirk did.
He's just getting completely annihilated. People are screaming him down.
He can't even handle a crowd. This goes to show

(01:48:59):
that what Charlie Kirk did was a skill. And I
really hope that we can find that we can learn
from what he did and take the lessons from it
and try to do what Charlie Kirk wanted to do,
which was change the hearts and minds to people. I
do hope that that's possible. I don't know that it is,
but I do hope.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
So no, I one hundred percent agree with that ashen
for sure. It's been an interesting conversation tonight. Absolutely, And
you know, I wish Ian would have come on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
He didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
I literally right before that we started this podcast, I said, hey,
I send the link to Ian. I said, hey, if
you want to come on, come on, because you know,
I don't know how many people you have. I'm asked
seeing ten thousand something here live, but and that's across
I don't know whatever platforms. But I think that clips
from this or the actual show going forward will get

(01:49:50):
a lot more notoriety well.

Speaker 4 (01:49:51):
And I think we have to have conversations like this,
and it's not just like calling somebody out and saying
you're a piece of shit? Could you believe in this?
But where does your thought process come from? Is it
from making money or is it from believing in like
the truth of God?

Speaker 5 (01:50:09):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
And this is where Chad and I struggle so much
with religion. And you know, I am totally spiritual, but
I'm not all into religion. And I think conversations like
this have to be told and people have to like
cure them, and we've got to figure out where we
are in order to come.

Speaker 5 (01:50:31):
Together, because I can tell you, I think there's so much.

Speaker 4 (01:50:34):
Divide in our world, and especially in America, and I
think we're divided on more than just black and white
and this and that, and you know, but we are
divided spiritually.

Speaker 1 (01:50:49):
Let me say, in terms of how to reconcile, first
of all, and Carol, he should have already apologized, or
Erica Kirk's gross that he hasn't yet. He that's the
first thing he needs to do to apologize. He needs
to admit that he was wrong for pushing this conspiracy theory.
I mean, this is just base stuff, is it? And
he needs to say that he's a retard that I'm
just adding that in there. You should also then apologize

(01:51:11):
to me and the other people that he's been kind
of going after for the last week straight. He needs
to do that. He's gonna lose a lot of followers, he's
gonna lose a lot of credibility, but that has to
be the base point that he has to do after that.
Here's the situation. I'm the kind of person that I
will still listen to you. I will still listen to
you even if you push something like this, as long
as the next time you learn from it and the

(01:51:33):
next time you actually push something with facts and evidence.
The reason why I liked Ian Carroll initially is that
he had good videos and stuff where he actually pushed,
like his financial stuff. I didn't really watch his GameStop stuff,
but he I don't know what's happened to him recently,
But now he's gone all in on this whole Israel
thing where everything is about Israel. Everything has to be
blamed on Israel. And that's I guess that's where he

(01:51:54):
lost his way. So ultimately he can do whatever he
wants is up to him. It's his life. He can
choose what he wants to do. I he has the
right to freedom of speech, just like the rest of
you do, to stay and believe what you want, and
I have the right to criticize it. That's the case,
and that's what I'm gonna do. I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
Well, guys, I think that's going to be it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:12):
You know, Ian did say Ashton that he would be
willing to come on a couple of weeks, But I
don't even want to entertain that because I don't think
he will show up in two weeks. But even if
hold on, Cherry, let me finish in two weeks, he
said he would come on, and everybody's like, bring Ian
back on, And yet of course he's not.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
Going to come on.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
And I honestly kind of knew that he was not
going to come on on this particular.

Speaker 5 (01:52:34):
I kind of built it too.

Speaker 4 (01:52:35):
But he also said it was because of Ashton's rhetoric
on x or Twitter.

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
That's not the reason why he didn't come on, because
he was going to get annihilated. You guys, listen to
the whole thing. So let's not make excuses for these people. Right,
he needs to just be honest, Right, he needs to
be honest he should have also been honest about his
opinions of m A three seven zero, and I don't
think he was being honest about that either. The thing
I hate the most is when these people are kind
of acceptive, they're afraid to tell their true opinions. I

(01:53:06):
value honesty. That's why I like Nick Quente's I don't
agree with him. I'm not a racist, I'm not even anti.
I might know what have you. But he's honest about
his opinion. He means what he feels. Ian Carroll's afraid
to say what he feels because he's afraid of how
the backlash. Those are the people that I can't stand.
So step one, tell the truth, tell your true opinion.
That's my last thought.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
And Ashton, I don't like I said.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
I don't necessarily agree with everything that you said tonight,
for sure, but you know I think that we have
I mean, I one percent agree with the Israel you know,
notion of Charlie Kirk's ssassination. But you know, we talk
about this all the time on our podcast. If we
want to follow our podcast is Investigator with podcasts on Spotify.
We mostly do audio. We'll start doing more video stuff

(01:53:49):
and obviously Ashton, you're on YouTube and x and.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
All of that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
Just ex Ashton or Ashton Forbes on YouTube. Let us
know what you guys think. Let us know is there
a bigger conspiracy behind this? I think in the next
few weeks we're gonna find.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
Out a lot more.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
We have Erica Kirk gonna be talking Wednesday about this
and so Ashan I will say if she says some
crazy stuff on that on that episode, yeah, we got
a game.

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
I'll have to eat a lot of crow. We'll see,
I hope so I doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
She will, but but we'll see. But guys, that's gonna
be it for us. Thank you Ashton for coming on.
We appreciate everybody for listening. Maybe next time we'll get
Ian Carroll on the show and there is Ashton.

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
We would have Ashton dance. We had music at the
in this because Ashton does do dance and everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
Yeah, because we have to dance in Charlie Kirk's memory memory.

Speaker 5 (01:54:41):
Yeah for sure, Yeah, for sure. I couldn't think of
the word.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
All right, guys, till next time, We love you, peace out.

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