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Hello and welcome to Investigator Podcast. I'm your host chat
alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're talking
about something that goes beyond late night comedy. Jimmy Kimmel's
show has been officially canceled, and some say it was
ABC pulling the plug. Others suggest pressure may have come
from the Trump administration. But the bigger story here isn't
Jimmy Kimmell himself. It's what this means for freedom of

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speech in America. If media voices can be taken down
when they don't align with the politics of the moment,
what does that say about the direction of our country.
Whether you like kim or agree with what he said,
this raises real questions about censorship power and who gets
to control the national conversation. And that's exactly what we're
going to dig into on this episode of Investigator with Podcast.
It is September the eighteenth, twenty twenty five. Naming this

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song is Blackout Blues by Flux Vortex and guys, listen
before you get mad and angry, because obviously we are
all kind of hurt right now. I mean, over the
past week or two, it's been a very tough week
for us, and I think especially when you hear what
Jimmy Kimmel said, and this is so quick after Charlie
Kirk was assassinated, it pissed off a lot of people

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for good reason. A lot of people are very angry
about this. And you also have to keep in mind
that we have been hearing Jimmy Kimmel trash anyone that
is not on the left side for the past six years.
You know, I remember a time when I was growing
up when Jay Lena was on late at night and
Conan O'Brien, when they could talk about both parties. They
could talk about whatever president was in office at that time.

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They had good and respectful jokes. It was funny stuff.
It wasn't so politic that you just could not stand
to listen to it if you were on one side
or the other. And so what we're going to talk
about is is this the right thing to do? And
did Trump have anything to do with Jimmy Kimmel's cancelation Obviously,
this does also come after Stephen Colbert was canceled not

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that long ago, but then, if you remember, Stephen Colbert
was literally losing his network millions and millions of dollars
per episode, and many people also believe that Jimmy Kimmel
was doing the exact same things. So was this just
a perfect opportunity for ABC to say, Hey, enough is enough.
We've been losing our ass on money anyways, and now

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this is probably going to take us even further from
where we are ever going to get back to actually
making money or making profit on the show. So that's
what we're going to discuss tonight. It's been a weird
week guys, obviously for everybody. Sherry, what do you think
just initial thoughts when you heard Jimmy Kimmel was canceled?
Did it surprise you? And we're going to play what
he actually said in just a little bit, but well.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
My initial reaction was like, hell yeah, because I hate
that guy and I hate Late Night And the only
late Night I ever watch, if I do watch it,
is Gutviild and he's not that great either. But I
used to watch Late Night all the time when David
Letterman was there, even Parson, all the oldies and goodies,
and you're right, you know, if they did make political jokes,

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it was on both sides. But a lot of times
they kept political stuff out of their show and just
had a lot of great actors and comedians on and
singers and it was just a fun show. But now
it's gotten so political in the last eight years. I
can't even watch Late Night anymore. So my first response
was like, hell, yeah, I'm glad he's gone because he's

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a jackass. Do I think it was the right thing
to do. No, I think that if he was losing
money for the network, they should have just said, hey,
you're losing tons of money for us, you're not making money,
you got to go. Not because of the Charlie Kirk thing.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, And I think it's the timing right, And that's
the biggest deal actually, considering we're going to play a
clip in just a moment where Benny Johnson, which is
a huge conservative pundit, he actually had the FCC guy
on his show, and this was about six or seven
hours prior to Jimmy Kimball officially being canceled, or officially

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a show being canceled. But let me just go ahead
and give you guys the rundown of what has happened
so far. So ABC pulled Jimmy Kimmel Live from air
Wednesday due to the host comments about conservative activist Charlie Kirk,
who was assassinated obviously last week. Now, the Disney owned broadcaster,
announced Wednesday evening that Kimmel's show would be paused indefinitely
from airing on ABC, which confirmed the news in an

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email to Forbes. Shortly before the announcement, the media company
next Star, which owns many local ABC affiliates, announced it
would pull the show starting Wednesday evening. Now Andrew Alford,
president of Nextstar's broadcasting division, did not cite specific comments
from Kimmell that informed the broadcaster's decision to pull his show,
but noted that comments were offensive and insensitive at a

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critical time. I'm in our national political discourse, and we
do not believe they reflect the spectrum of opinions, views,
or values of local communities in which we are located.
The show's removal comes after FCC Chairman Brendan Carr criticized
Kimmel in an appearance on right wing commenter Benny Johnson's
podcast ad justin the FCC could take action against the

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talk show, and that broadcasters have a license granted by
US at the FCC and that comes with its obligation
to operate in the best of the public interest. Car
told multiple alets Wednesday that while this may be an
unprecedented decision, it is important for broadcaster to push back
on Disney programming that they determine fall short of the community.
Saint Clair Broadcast Group, ABC's largest affiliate, will also stop

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Aaron Kimmel's show under further notice and broadcast a one
hour special in remembrance of Kirk during Friday's Jimmy Kimmel
Live time slot. So very respectable what they're doing, but
I do think that it is an interesting time. Obviously,
Kimmel said some pretty hard stuff, but that is literally
what he has done the entire time, and especially during

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the Biden Harris administration. You know, there's one thing I
thought about, even with Stephen Colbert. For those that don't
remember or know who Stephen Colbert was, he was also
another late night talk show host. I think he was
on NBC. And if you guys have ever seen the
viral meme where it shows Stephen Colbert a dancing to
the vaccine song that we should all take the vaccine,

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and they had literal people in vaccine suits, and they
did this for like five or six minutes, and it
was this huge opening monologue. But Stephen Colbert didn't just
talk about the vaccines and force people or demonized people
that didn't want to take the vaccine. He talked trash
about Trump, Trump supporters, anyone and anyone that would possibly
vote for anybody like Trump, or even anyone that would

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actually follow someone like Charlie Kirk, you know. And this
was the sentiment of people like Stephen Colbert. It has
always been the sentiment, especially under the Biden Harris administration,
of people like Jimmy Kimmel. And so when the right
has finally had enough of enough, obviously there are a
lot of people today cheering. And some of these people
that are cheering lately are also the same people that

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may have been canceled or censored in the past under
the Biden Harris administration. But the one thing I say
about that is, and that's the discussion we have to
have tonight, is that should we be cheering someone being
canceled based on either a joke which he says is
a joke, but really it is his way of portraying
how he really feels like he don't give a damn
about Charlie Kirk, nor does he give a damn about

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anybody on the right. But if you guys didn't realize
that that was his I guess viewpoint before now, then
I guess you have never seen a clip of Jimmy Kimmell,
because he has had a lot of viral clips, especially
on YouTube, and that is where Jimmy's show actually got
more views in some cases on YouTube than it actually
did on air. And most of the reason for that, though,

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was not because everybody loved Jimmy Kimmel. It was because
that he always talked track and talk shit. So then
people would share his clips on YouTube, on x and
all these other places, yea, and everybody'd be like, what
an asshole this guy is? Right, So that is actually
how he got a lot of the views he got.
So I do want to go ahead and play the
official It's about a one minute and five second segment,

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and this is what we believe got Jimmy Kimmel canceled.

Speaker 7 (08:25):
We hit some new lows over the weekend with the
Magga gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered
Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and
do everything they can to score political points from and
in between the finger pointing, there was grieving.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
On Friday, the White.

Speaker 7 (08:41):
House flew the flags at half staff, which got some criticism,
but on a human level, you can see how hard
the President is taking this.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I candult down a.

Speaker 8 (08:50):
Lot of your friend, Charlie Kirk, asked sir personally, how
are you holding up for the.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Last day and a half served?

Speaker 5 (08:56):
I think very good.

Speaker 9 (08:57):
And by the way, right there you see all the trucks.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
They just started construction.

Speaker 8 (09:01):
Of the new ballroom for the White House, which is
something they've been trying to get, as you.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
Know, for about one hundred and fifty years, and it's
going to be a beauty.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yes, he's at the fourth stage.

Speaker 7 (09:12):
Of grief construction, the demolition.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Construction.

Speaker 7 (09:20):
This is not how an adult grief's the murder of
somebody called a friend.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
This is how a four year old morn's a goldfish. Okay,
all right, So obviously you hear Donald Trump being asked about, Hey,
hey Trump, how are you holding up since Charlie Kirk's assassination,
and he said, oh, very good actually, and he said,
if you look back here, obviously Trump did not understand
or hear what this reporter was asking him.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
They're just really remember there.

Speaker 6 (09:44):
Was a plane, an airplane behind him. There's a lot
of noise, there's a lot of commotion, and we hear
them on a microphone, but they don't hear each other on.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
My absolutely not. So it seems like in this particular case,
Trump just did not understand what the reporter was a
asking him. When he said, Hey, how are you holding
up after Charlie Kirk's assassination? He is, oh, very good actually,
And check this out. In the background, we got some
stuff going on. I don't think at all that Trump
really heard the question. But what was Jimmy Kimmel to do.

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He was going to run with it. He was going
to make a joke and try to make Trump look
out or look like the biggest piece of shit on
the planet Earth. That is what Jimmy Kimmell has always done. Now,
the other comment that he said was that they're trying
to make us think that this Tyler Robinson guy is
not one of them, one of maga. Well, first of all,
we do believe potentially that Tyler Robinson's family was MAGA

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or Trump supporters, but we definitely know, at least from
everything that we've seen so far, is that he was
someone that had been pretty heavy in politics over the
past couple of years. Not politics on the MAGA side,
but politics for the pro LGBTQ trans rights. He had
a boyfriend that was transitioning that he lived with. He
was in a discord group, which we still don't know

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all the details about that yet, but it seems like
that once and if the cash matel FBI actually does
their job, unlike what they have done with Epstein, if
they actually do their job, we may find out some
of the connections and networks of Tyler Robinson and who
he actually was talking to on the internet on this
discord group.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
Yeah, it could be too though with the discord group,
we don't even know. There's no timestamps of any of
these texts going through back and forth. A lot of
people are saying this was just like they took some text,
they took this, they took that. Yeah, we don't even
know the time stamps for sure, so right now it's
just hard to believe anything from either side.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, they're cutting and pasting things that show a narrative, right,
and that is something that we are starting to see,
is that they are highlighting specific comments or specific things
that he may have said in discord or even how
he said things potentially to his boyfriend. They're not necessarily
given everything and putting everything in context. Now, I'm not

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going to say that you can take things out in
the way that this conversation appeared, either to his boyfriend
or even on discord. That would be like, oh, he
wasn't a shooter. No, I don't think that's the case.
But why do you not fully put in everything into.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
You know, whatever you're going to relate stamp.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Yeah, and another thing too that bothers me about these
texts between the boyfriend and Tyler is that it almost
sounded like they were doing the opposite to try to
get his boyfriend not in trouble, Like, Oh, We're going
to plan these texts and come out and say I'm
going to text you and tell you this, and you're

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going to ask why and what's going on to get
the boyfriend out of anything? You know what I'm saying
like a reverse psychology like my cousin Vinnie, for example,
in his text.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I get what you're saying.
I mean the way the text were set up, and
then how.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
The boyfriend pre planned.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah for sure. Well, and like I said, we don't
know what Tyler Robbinson's network was right now, right we
just don't know. And the worst thing about this is
will we ever know? And because right now, what we
believe anyway is that Tyler Robinson over the past couple
of years got radicalized enough by some group on I
guess Discord is what they're saying that had thirty members

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to where he didn't let his boyfriend know anything whatsoever
about his plan to assassinate Charlie kirk up In, including
all of his visits to campus, which are potentially two
or three. We also have got some new pictures and
photographs that have come out recently about this very suspicious
looking guy on campus that was wearing all black. He

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literally looked like someone from the Matrix. And the interesting
thing about that is is that if you listen to
the nine to one to one dispatch where they're dispatching
directly after the shooting, they were talking about they saw
or witnessed this guy in all black east of the library,
which was in a whole different section of know where
Tyler Robinson ever was. So then there were some security

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cam pictures that came out of this particular person. Now,
this person was not college age, he was none of that.
He probably looked like late thirties, early forties, could have
potentially been a fed like or an undercovered type person.
But we do know that we have these pictures out
there on the internet. You guys should search those pictures
because if this was a video podcast, we could show you.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
Yeah, but was this guy doing anything weird or was
he just standing out because he was unjust in black.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
No, they reported this guy to have a long rifle. Okay,
so they said this guy has a long rifle. This
was not Tyler Robinson they were talking about. This was
someone completely different and so and then they actually got
a steal an image from the cam that shows who
this person was. Now, when you look at the picture,
you can't necessarily see a long rifle on him. It
was from like a left angle, so the camera would

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have been somewhere up to his left, so you couldn't
really see a rifle even if he would have had
it strapped and to the right side or whatever, so
we don't know. We've also not necessarily seen the videos
of this person yet, so we don't know how he
was walking.

Speaker 8 (14:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
We didn't see if there was a gun swaying anywhere.
But that's a very weird occurrence. There was also another
strange occurrence with someone that was It looked to me
that this person was shirtless, he had a handgun, and
he was exiting where Charlie Kirk's area was kind of
the I would say probably.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Three or four rows up I saw that. Yeah, this was.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
After the shooting. Dude definitely had a handgun. I mean,
I don't know what else this guy could have had.
But then we had talked about this as well. I think, Utah,
now you maybe can open carry firearms, and I need
to check into that for sure, but even still, you
should at least be asking this guy questions who is
this person? Who is the guy in the black shirt otherwise?

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And then we also have the older.

Speaker 6 (15:40):
Guy, yeah, and the grandpa guy that got arrested initially
and then they let him go, but then they arrested
him for porn.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
But now is he under investigation for this.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Well, from what we're being told, I think that he
is being charged with some crime related to the assassination,
not the child porn stuff, to the point where he,
I guess made a big ruckus to where law enforcement
look at him enough time to allow the shooter to
get away. And I think that they're going to or

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already have maybe charged this guy with whatever that crime is. Right,
So that's all.

Speaker 6 (16:17):
It is very interesting because this guy goes to a
lot of events like this, and he's been arrested more
than one time at events like this, and he claims
that he's done something that he hasn't, and I just
wonder does he make himself a patsy on purpose so
that if anything happens, the other people can get away.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Well. And the thing is, you know, when they say
that this guy's been to other events like this and
done this, well, is it is it that he's been
to other events.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
Like this and it's been arrested.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
No, But because maybe they had a planned attack at
other events that just didn't work out, or it could
be didn't go through, and so maybe this is one
of the guys they put in place to you know,
as a diversion. Yeah, but this will. He's not the
only person. There was someone else right somewhere else that
also had the same thing.

Speaker 6 (17:04):
But I just want to remind you guys about the
old man. The reason why they originally arrested him is
because he was yelling out, I shot him, I shot him,
shoot me dead now, shoot me dead now. And he
was saying f you to the crowd. I mean, he
was really like out there.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, but it's not necessarily is out there. He was
just an asset. He was an asset for whoever was
also helping coordinate the shooting. Now, as I say this,
there has been so much craziness online between Candice Owens
Ian Carroll. I mean, even Ashton Forbes is getting into this,
which you know, it is what it is. I've commented

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on a couple of things of Ashton. Obviously we had
if you've not listened to our last episode where we
bring former CIA officer Jason Hansen on tried to get
into detail with him about certain things. Although you know,
I will, and I think we've already kind of said
this on record, I don't think Israel is responsible for
this assassination. And but there are people right now like

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Candice Owens and like Charlie Kirk, or not Charlie Kirk,
but like I and Carroll that are hardcore going with
this narrative, and they were going with this narrative like
ten hours later.

Speaker 6 (18:09):
Yeah, so that's crazy, Like how can you go after
Israel ten hours later and you don't even know the
facts about anything that happened.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
No, you don't. It just makes you look more on
I mean, it makes you look like an idiot. All
right now, I do want to play this clip Benny
Johnson talking with the FCC chairman, where he was threatening
immediate action against Jimmy Kimmel, ABC and Disney for deliberately
misleading the public by claiming that Tyler Robinson was maga.

Speaker 8 (18:38):
Listen, look at the conduct that has taken place by
Jimmy Kimmel. It appears to be some of the sickest
conduct possible. As you've indicated, there are avenues here for
the FCC. So there are some ways in which I
need to be a little bit careful because it could

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be ultimately do be a judge on some of these
claims that come up.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
But I don't think this is an isolated incident.

Speaker 8 (19:05):
I mean, you go back to representative Swallwell, you know
tweet out last week where he was saying that, you know,
emphasizing that Charlie Kirks killer was a straight white male
from a Republican family that voted for Donald Trump. In
some quarters, there's a very concerted effort to try to
lie to the American people about the nature, as you indicate,

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one of the most significant newsworthy public interest acts that
we've seen in a long time, and what appears to
be an action appears to be an action by Jimmy
Kimmel to play into that narrative that this was somehow
a maga or Republican motivated person, if that's what happened

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here with his conduct, that is really really sick. And
I've been very clear from the moment that I have
become chairman of the FCC, I want to.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
Reinvigorate the public.

Speaker 8 (20:00):
Interesting what peop don't understand is that the broadcasters, and
you've gotten this right, are entirely different than people that
use other forms of communication. They have a license granted
by us at the FCC, and that comes with it
an obligation to operate in the public interest. And we
can get into some ways that we've been trying to
reinvigorate the public interest and some changes that we've seen.

(20:20):
But Frankly, when you see stuff like this, I mean, look,
we can do this the easy way or the hard way.
These companies can find ways to change conduct, to take action.
Frankly on Kimmel or you know, there's going to be
additional work for the FCC ahead.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, And I want to stop for a second because
this is very important what he said. They do operate
under a license by the FCC, just like radio stations,
just like any television network. They all operate under the FCC.
One of the things he did say was for the
best of public interests. Now here's one of the things
that is the issue in my opinion, right when you

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have the Biden Harris administration in office and then they
have their own FCC chair, and so what they want
the media and late night and who in all of
these guys to push is completely opposite of what this
Trump appointed FCC chair is going to want the late
night host and mainstream media and all these others to push.

(21:21):
But either way, it is still based on the agenda
and narratives and the conversation that that particular administration wants
to have. Now, is it in good faith, in nature,
or it in any way what Jimmy Kimmel said, especially
by intentionally lying to the American public about who the

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shooter was and what his background was. Obviously, no, it's
not in the best of public interest. But this is
absolutely what mainstream media does day in and day out.
And it's not just CNN, it's not just MSNBC, it's
not just ABC and NBC. It is also Fox News
at times. I mean, even if we look at the
Epstein thing, and I know this is not completely related

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to the Epstein deal at all, but you know, one
of the things Charlie Kirk did say, and I want
to point this out, but this was just something that
Charlie Kirk he was never afraid to back down from anyone.
That is literally why he went to college campuses and
challenge anyone and everyone to come to the mic, including
someone that wanted to potentially kill him. Right. But one

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of the things he had said with some of the
backlash that he was getting from Israel was that when
he had met at one point in time, This I
believe is a fact that is validated to where I
think he even mentioned it with Megan Kelly where he said,
you know, it seems like everything I do for Israel
is not enough, and I just don't get it. Like

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I've been their strongest supporter. I had been steadfast and
everything that I feel like I could possibly do for Israel.
But you know, one of the things that Israel did
not want was for Tucker Carlson to be a part
of any future Your Turning Point USA event. But in specific,
Tucker Crasson had also mentioned this that and there were

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some others and some other content creators or influencers from
the right that also mentioned this and said that one
of the things Charlie Kirk wanted when Tucker Crosson came
on was to make sure he discussed the Epstein connection
to Israel. Charlie Kirk himself told Tucker Cralson to make

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sure that you mentioned this and make sure you say
this and this is not just validated from Tucker Crosson.
These are other people that are on Charlie Kirk's side,
you know, part of his teams whatever. You know, when
you look at stuff like that, Charlie Kirk was not
someone that said, hey, we should be censored or silencing
people based on what they say, that's literally everything opposite
of what Charlie Kirk wanted. Absolutely, and so I'm not

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saying that I understand what freedom of speech is. I
understand what the First Amendment is, and I also understand
that if you if you are employed by a broadcaster,
and you are under the licensing of the FCC, which
you are as ABC, MBAC or any of these other companies,
then you were supposed to be adhering to whatever their
rules and regulations are. Anyways, Unfortunately, the rules and regulations

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that the FCC sets forward change every four years if
there's a new president in office, that changes constantly, and
obviously Jimmy Kimmel. You know, if you look at Kimmel
from the time that especially from twenty sixteen on when
Trump got into office, When Trump left office then the
Biden administration came in, that's when you know Kimmell went

(24:36):
hardcore against the right and conservatives because he was allowed
to do that. He knew there was not going to
be any backlash. He knew the mainstream media machine was
going to be on board with the backing of the FCC.
He knew that he had Biden in the Democrats entire
government entity behind him to say and do whatever the

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hell he wanted to, to push their narrative, to push their agendas.
That is what they do. So now though we're in
a different time now we're in the Trump administration, this
is last term. Maybe I guess I should say maybe
who knows, who knows at this point. But what I'm
saying is that the FCC is now under Trump, and
so is basically every other office or agency that is

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within the government at this moment. So Trump is going
after these people, and I do think that I just
don't think it's possible that this was an ABC decision
or something like that to where it's like, oh, no,
we don't agree with what he's saying. Now do you
think ABC or Sinclair or Next Star would have said
this three years ago?

Speaker 6 (25:42):
But they did say, it goes against their communities, is
what they're like.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
But why did the social announcement was.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
But why did it not go against their communities before?

Speaker 4 (25:51):
I know exactly.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
But to my opinion, when you're thinking about canceling a
certain fraction of America or whatever versus their political beliefs,
where were the liberals? Where were they left the people
on the left standing up for the people on the right.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Nothing.

Speaker 6 (26:12):
When were they speaking out for us, like, listen, we
can't have this because this is freedom of speech, and
if you take away the Republicans' freedom of speech, we're
not gonna have freedom of speech anymore.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
They didn't give a ass about.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
That, No they didn't.

Speaker 6 (26:26):
But there is more Republicans standing out saying listen, we
can't do this on either side.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Well, there's not a lot though. I mean, let's just
be honest. You don't they know most of your conservative
pundits are all on board with this. They're cheering this on,
just like the left was cheering it on when they
were canceling conservatives. I mean, I don't even know really
right now, of too many people from the right that
are speaking out against this. There are a few, but
not many. And you know, I think especially people that

(26:53):
are close to Charlie Kirk or that has kind of
been in a circle, you know, those people should really
be speaking out about this, right. I mean, I understand,
like you have all of these theories, especially after such
a massive and major event. I mean, even with the
Israel theory, Ian Carroll and Candice Owens and all these
others and Tucker Crossing kind of got a little into

(27:13):
that as well. And yes, it is, in my opinion,
ridiculous because of the fact that Charlie Kirk was so
steadfast with Israel and there are other people that, for sure,
I think Israel would have taken out before, even though
you know, Nick Fuintez almost was taken out at his doorstep.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah, but wasn't probably by Israel.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
No I know, but you know, but if anyone was
gonna blame Israel for something, maybe you should blame that,
not this Charlie Kirk thing. Right, But let's listen to
a little more of what the SEC chairman has to say.

Speaker 10 (27:44):
What kind of action would you see? I at the
very least would like to have an on air apology
from Jimmy Kimmel, to the Kirk family, to all of
those who he slandered.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Because he did say that Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 10 (27:58):
He's effectively saying that our movement did this, our movement
killed Charlie, that Charlie was deserving of this, effectively, and
we've seen that rear its head. This happens quite regularly
actually on MSNBC and on other networks where they're trying
to victim blame and what that does, mister chairman, respectfully,

(28:20):
is continues the lie and continues the threat level to
say effectively that we have no share in this problem
at all. On the left, this is a clear cut case.
What would you like to see done at ABC?

Speaker 8 (28:37):
Well, look, I think I think what you said there
strikes me as a very reasonable minimal step that can
be taken.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
I mean, obviously, look, there's calls for kim will be fired.

Speaker 8 (28:47):
I think you know, you could certainly see a path
forward for suspension over this.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
And again, you know, the FCC is going to have
remedies that.

Speaker 8 (28:55):
We could look at, and again, you know we may
ultimately be called to be a judge on that. But
this also strikes me a sort of conduct that, to
some extent shows some sort of desperate irrelevance.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
I mean, we're sort of exiting an era where.

Speaker 8 (29:11):
The three main broadcast legacy broadcast networks could control and
dictate the narrative.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
To the American people.

Speaker 8 (29:19):
And one thing that President Trump did when he ran
for office, he ran directly at that legacy media establishment.
He smashed the facade that they get to control what
we say, what we think, the narrative around events. And
we're seeing a lot of consequences that are flowing from
President Trump doing that. I mean, look, NPR has been defunded,

(29:39):
PBS has been defunded, Colbert is retiring, Joy Reid is
out at MSNBC, Terry Moran has gone from ABC, and
from now admitting that they are biased. CBS has now
made some commitments to us that they're going to return
to more fact based journalism. And so I think you
see some lashing out from people like Kimmel who are

(30:01):
frankly talentless and are looking for ways to get attention,
but their grip on the narrative is slipping. That doesn't
mean that it's still not you know, important to holding
the public interest standard.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
That's that's what we're gonna have to do.

Speaker 10 (30:15):
So we did an elucidate and enumerate a number of
statutes that could be used against ABC. If you would,
mister chairman, would you just explain for us what broadcasting
in the public interest means. Don't think most people understand
actually the depth of how important it is that ABC,
NBCCBS have these gratuitous broadcast privileges granted to them by

(30:41):
the American taxpayer.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
Yeah, the right way.

Speaker 8 (30:44):
Sort of explain this to people so they understand it
is in the media landscape as relevant.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
Here, there's two main buckets of actors.

Speaker 8 (30:50):
One you've got what we called national programmers, So that's
what Comcast is, a Countcast NBC, that's what Disney is
Disney ABC. They're the ones that effectively create and produce
these shows. They then provide those shows to individually licensed
TV stations, and those TV stations are in the main
owned by independent companies independent from Comcasts in Disney, but

(31:13):
Disney and Comcasts both.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
Own some televisions themselves.

Speaker 8 (31:16):
So start from the idea the of national programmers that create.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
The show, including The Kimmel Show, and then they're.

Speaker 8 (31:22):
Given to and distribute it over licensed TV stations. It's
the licensed TV stations that have the public interest standard,
including those TV stations that Comcasts and Disney own. So
SEC regulatory action focuses on those individual stations, and one
thing that we're trying to do is to empower those
local stations to serve their own communities. And the public

(31:44):
interest means you can't be running a narrow partisan circus
and still meeting your public interest obligations. It means you
can't be engaging in a pattern of news distortion. We
have a rule on the book that interprets a public
interest standard that says news distortion is something that is prohibited. Likewise,
we have a rule that addresses broadcast hoaxes, and so again,

(32:06):
over the years has stepped back from enforcing it, and
I don't think it's been to the benefit of anybody.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
Just look at the credibility of these legacy media. It's
absolutely through the floor.

Speaker 8 (32:15):
They used to be able to say at least they
are more trustworthy than Congress, but now they're even less
trustworthy than Congress. And so I think as a business
matter for them, something has to change. And at the FCC,
you know, we need to reinvigorate this. So again there's
actions that we can take on licensed broadcasters, and frankly,
I think that it's really sort of past time that
a lot of these licensed broadcasters themselves push back on

(32:37):
comcasts in Disney and say, listen, we're going to preempt We're.

Speaker 5 (32:40):
Not going to run Kimmel anymore until you straighten this out.

Speaker 8 (32:44):
Because we license broadcaster are running the possibility of fines
or licensed replications from the FCC. We continue to run
content that ends up being a pattern of news distortion.
So I think again, Disney needs to see some change here,
but the individual licensed stations that are taking their content,
it's time for them to step up and say this,

(33:06):
you know, garbage to the extent that that's what comes
down the pipe in the future.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Isn't something that we think serves the needs of our
local communities.

Speaker 8 (33:13):
But this sort of status quo is obviously not acceptable
where we are believe.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, so there is the FCC chairman talking about, you know,
what decisions could be made, which obviously were made. Now
he went on Bennie Johnson. He talked about this and
he said, look, you know, we have some options that
we could really come down hard on these companies. And
I would assume likely that he already probably had these

(33:39):
conversations with ABC, with Disney, yeah, with The Next Star,
with Sinclair whoever, before he probably ever even went on
Bennie Johnson. I think he likely went on Benny Johnson
as kind of a viral moment to push it out
there ahead of time, to where when Jimmy Kimmel was fired,
it was like, well here's why he was fired. Just

(34:00):
go and listen to this episode. Now, the thing for
me is and I say this all the time, and
some of you can agree or disagree with us, but
you know, we listen to a couple of other conspiracy
type podcasts, or not even just conspiracy, but just other
podcasts in general. And there are absolutely podcasts out there
that will claim the craziest shit and distort narratives, distort

(34:25):
your mind in so many different ways. And unfortunately, in
twenty twenty five, we are in a mass information state.
So even if it's beyond podcast, just think about X,
think about Facebook and Instagram and all the stuff you
see TikTok. You'll see these videos and I cannot even
tell you, guys, how many videos that y'all send us,
whether it be in Instagram or email or whatever, to

(34:48):
where you're like, hey, check this out. And in some
of these videos I'll watch, I'll be like, you know,
Bigfoot assassinated Charlie Kirk, and I'm like, what in the hell,
dude are you talking about? Like, I mean, there are
literal people that just say the craziest shit out there,
And so I one hundred percent understand why it is
important to know where you're getting your information from. I

(35:10):
think we do our very best to try not to
just jump on one side or the other on anything.
I mean, I think we try to be our very
best at being fair and trying to find what facts
would be most credible, even if we don't necessarily have facts,
like let's just see what is the most likely scenario.
And even when we say, hey, this is what is

(35:31):
possibly happening, we don't know, right, We don't always know.
This is a podcast where we have conversation, We talk
with you guys, just like we're talking in our living room.
We're not telling you for sure that you have to
believe this because unfortunately, in this world, it's so hard
to figure out what the truth is, right, I mean,
is it is extremely hard. And even with this Charlie

(35:52):
Kirk thing, you know, would it have been forty years
ago if Charlie Kirk was assassinated by a Loane gunman,
that would be the story that we were told until
maybe sometime in the future that there was some type
of committee that somebody somewhere knew something and finally spoke out.
And I'm really referring probably back to the JFK thing,

(36:13):
although it was longer than forty years.

Speaker 6 (36:15):
Ago, but we have way more information now because we
have cell phones, we have video footage. You know that
horrific Day was on the internet within minutes.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, and it's not just that. We also have so
much more technology that the government can use or entities
can use to manipulate the story, right, And so it's
not you know, although yes, we do have advancements in
technology to where we can find who commits crimes faster.
Obviously we've talked a lot about that is like where
is the overstep and the overreach of mass surveillance and

(36:49):
then also you know, being able to to find whoever
these criminals are, whoever the people that commit the crimes are.
There is a boundary, I believe there's a fine line
to where it's like how much does the government know? Well,
if you listen to our last episode with Jason, the
former CIA guy, he said, the government knows everything about you.
I mean, he said, there's a reason why I don't

(37:09):
have an Alexa or these devices in my house. If
I'm going to a certain meeting with someone, I leave
my phone at the house. It never leaves my house.
I will go to this meeting. And then not only
does he go to the meeting without his phone or
without any electronic devices to get back home. He doesn't
just go straight back home. He goes to this place,
to this place, to this place to this place, and
then back home. And obviously, if you have ever been

(37:32):
a spy or any of that stuff, all those things
are important. It is, but rather than if you're a
soccer mom, that's not necessarily important.

Speaker 6 (37:38):
But what happens when you're meeting with these people that
they have cell phones?

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Well, I mean that kind of avoids the point.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, I guess it does. But what he's essentially saying,
he's making a point to where if you are say
part of the CIA, and you were going to meet
another officer, and you guys are meeting for a specific
reason that you don't want anyone to hear, maybe you're
in a foreign country, well obviously the other guy is
also not going to bring your cell phone. So that's

(38:06):
that's what he's saying.

Speaker 8 (38:07):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
And the reason why you're not going to bring your
cell phone is because there are intelligence agencies around the world,
not just the United States, that can tap into your
phone almost instantaneously. This is this happens, you know, if
we have technology now such as the Havana syndrome, to
where we have microwave energy directed weapons where we can
almost scramble people's brains to make them confused, disoriented, long

(38:30):
term actual effects. You know, we go back to mk Ultra,
you know, the mk Ultra experiment to where not only
did they do this on unsuspecting military and sometimes military
that did know, but they also did this on unsuspecting
members of the public. Yes, and this has been experiments
that our government has been conducted for many, many years
in so many various ways. So but what I do

(38:52):
find interesting with the FCC chair guy here, he said,
you know, the FCC has an obligation to the public
to where we want to make sure that public interest
is the number one priority, and we got to make
sure that they're not telling lies or propagandizing or all
this stuff. And listen, one, we need an agency to
do that with our media, because I can promise you

(39:15):
this our media, although he says that our media used
to be so much better, our media really didn't used
to be so much better. There was such thing called
as Operation Mockingbird, which happened like thirty or forty fifty
years ago, and this was a CIA operation to where
they they utilized, utilized and incorporated the media for their

(39:35):
agenda for their mass syop. They did this back in
the day, and I believe they also did this with
a jfk assassination. So although yes, the media wasn't as
blatant as far as like what side of the party
they were on, but I think that's probably they were
better at disseminating information from the CIA then than they
are now. And I think the problem here is that

(39:58):
if you start thinking about this, the problem is is
that political factions now are so divided, and I think
even there's division in the deep state. And I know
that sounds crazy, but I think we have two very
different deep states. And then outside of the deep state,
which is our own people behind the scenes, whether it

(40:19):
is Intel, whether it is CEOs, megamoguls for mass corporations,
Black Rock, Vanguard, Rockefeller, you know, that kind of whole
lineage that's kind of outside the school. But then you
also have the intelligence agencies in the clandestine groups and
organizations within the United States government that also are part

(40:41):
of the deep state. But then there are factions of
deep state, and I think right now it's like there
is a deep state war behind the scenes. That's why
when you have the Biden Harrison administration come in, and
then you have them assign all of their people. I
think they all technically have the same goal and narrative,
which is to control the people better. I do think that.

(41:02):
I think though, the problem is is that they are
fighting between themselves right now of who to control better,
right like, right now, their goal is to control this
side or this side. Used to it used to be,
we just got to control everyone and make sure that
we all are disseminating the message that we want to
disseminate based on what we are doing behind the scenes.
And now it's getting really hard for them to carry

(41:26):
on a narrative because they're fighting amongst themselves so hard.
But they're doing different operations.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
Do you not think they created the two sides?

Speaker 2 (41:35):
I don't know. I mean probably, I don't know exactly
what has created the two sides, because when you think
about the deep state, I think you know when I.

Speaker 6 (41:43):
Say deep fighting among each other in dividing people. So
in order to divide people, you have to have more
than one group.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yes, but that's what I'm saying. I don't think the
deep state, in my mind, refers to like the Open
Society Foundation, of George Soros. I don't think the deep
state even refers necessarily to directly the World Economic Forum
or even maybe the World Health Organization or the UN.
I think there is a deep state in the United
States in particular, that is within the United States that

(42:12):
are Americans, or you know, there might be some outside influence,
but you know whatever. But then you also have the
globalist influence. I think that is something completely different, different
and separate from the narrative of the deep state in
the United States. And I think maybe that's where some
of the battle lines are starting to form, because you
do have this globalist agenda and narrative that wants to
completely take away the sovereignty of the United States or

(42:34):
America to then push forward this one world government. So
who I think is fighting is this globalist narrative and
push If you think about if this Tyler Robinson guy
comes out, he is funded and operated by or had
intel or communication with NGOs that were outside of the
United States, you're talking about globalist thing there. So maybe

(42:57):
the deep state in the United States didn't know a
lot about that, But do I think the other there
have been things and murders and flags and all this
other stuff, right that were United States based deep state? Yet?
Absolutely yes. So so here's the thing. I think there
are two sides of the coin. I think you have
one political party that is working for globalists more and

(43:19):
the other political faction is trying their best to work
for Americans. But they're also being infiltrated right now. And
so it's a battle that we don't even completely see.

Speaker 6 (43:28):
Yeah, and it's just crazy that we're going to designate
Antifa as a terrorist organization.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
How do you do that?

Speaker 6 (43:34):
And why are we not going after like people like
George Soros?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Well, we are going after people like George Soros, I
guess according to Trump recently said that we are going
to start looking into and investigating the Open Society Foundation
that George Soros is behind. You know, the question is,
can you actually designate Antifa as a terrorist organization?

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Well?

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I don't know. I mean, it is an ideology, it
is an anti fascist movement, right, And I think that's
why to your point, Sherry is like, can you actually
go after and charge Antifa as an organization? Which I
don't necessarily think Antifa is an organization. They might be
like some kind of little weird community, and I say

(44:16):
weird because they are being heavily funded by outside sources.
That is most of where they're getting their ideological principles.
It's not from even mainstream media. A lot of people
like to blame c and n Brantifa or whatever. You
have to understand, as we had talked to a couple
of people actually on our podcast before that actually goes
to universities, and they would go during BLM and all

(44:38):
this stuff BLM riots, and they would be setting up
these tents on college campuses and it would be socialist
movement tents. But these were all funded by the Open
Society Foundation. We also believe that Open Society Foundation potentially
has funded a lot of the riots, whether it be
you know, BLM leasing the buses to coordinate bring in

(45:00):
all these people to certain locations, whether it be to
lay out palettes of bricks in a lot of these
rioted cities, or we also believe that they may have
had an influence or at least direct I guess, coordination
with the convoys that have come across from Mexico to
where they were literally putting tens of thousands of people

(45:22):
on tractor and trailers, flatbed tractor and trailers hauling them
through the Mexican streets until they couldn't go any further,
and then they would offload them. A lot of these
people that came across our border over the four years
that Biden Harris was in was heavily funded. And it
wasn't just people from Mexico or Venezuela. It was people
from China and Russia and the Middle East. And this

(45:43):
was all heavily funded by NGOs outside of the United States.
So we have two huge problems, and unfortunately, it's like
we are losing sight a little bit of what our
actual problem is. And I think that at the very least,
we cannot lose site of what our constitution means, right,
especially the First Amendment. You know, you have people like

(46:05):
Pam Bondi that's going on some podcasts talking about hate
speech laws that she wants to start enacting, you know,
And I will go ahead and tell you guys this.
You know, we both voted for Trump. I do not
like Pam Bondi whatsoever. I think she's a snake. I
don't agree with almost anything she says. I think that
she is. It almost seems like she's being handled by

(46:28):
somebody like she you know she has a handler herself
saying no, you're gonna do this, You're gonna do this,
You're gonna say this, you know. In Cash Motel, same exactly.
Cash Mattel went on all these podcasts prior to being
the FBI director, talking all this big game, we're gonna
release Epstein follows day one, and then just recently in
Congress he's talking about that Epstein trafficked kids to nobody.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Yeah, just to himself.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, which is a complete bullshit lie. I mean Thomas
Massey literally questioned him on this and he said, well,
here's some names that I know for sure because of.

Speaker 6 (46:59):
What is so well in Cash Pattel send himself, he
had already seen a lot of files before he even
became the FBI director.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah, that's what he said.

Speaker 6 (47:08):
And he said he was going to go after them
and he was going to get them and he was
going to take them down.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, that's what he said. You know, the more I
think about this, and look, I don't know this, right,
I don't want to claim this and if I don't
know it, but it was like you have to also
wonder for the year or two before Trump became president,
this go around, Cash Mattel was going on basically a
you know, think about when a new movie's coming out. Yeah,

(47:34):
and you have the actors going around on this media blitz,
so they're on everything they can possibly get on all
of the talk shows, all of the news stations, all
of the podcast nowadays. Cash Mattel did that for the
two years previous to him becoming FBI director. Did he
know for sure, like without a doubt that he was
going to be the FBI director two years prior? That's

(47:55):
why he talked this big game. And then when he
gets into office, maybe he was a plant. Maybe he
was a plant in position for when Trump got in.
Maybe someone got him years prior, right because they said, hey, look,
we're gonna make sure that you are positioned to get
FBI director. So you just do what you gotta do.
Go on all these podcasts, get close with them, get

(48:16):
tight with them, because this is how we get the
base to vote for you and to vote for Trump.
But then we control you once you get in. Right,
Don't think that these people are not smart enough to
do shit like that. Don't think that this.

Speaker 11 (48:27):
Is just some type of you know, oh, Cash Hotel
was just such a good guy and all this stuff,
and then the people said we must have cash, we
must have cash, and they did.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
The people did say that, And why did they say that?
Because he was on all these podcasts talking about all
of the various things that we talk about on this podcast,
and so it invigorated people. People were like, hell, yeah,
we're finally going to get someone in office. It's going
to do the right thing for the American public. And
then cash Retel gets in. Epstein did kill himself. Yeah,

(49:00):
cash cash me outside. How about that? But I mean, seriously,
he literally said all the same bullshit that everyone else
has said.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
Kind of has done the same thing.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
Pam Bonnie Schul said that she had all these folders
that she they were on her desk.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
She had to go through them.

Speaker 6 (49:17):
Oh no, those weren't folders of just stuff that was
just all nasty child porn stuff.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
It had nothing to do with the island.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, no, it's it's all a coordinated message. That's what
they're doing. It is one hundred percent all a coordinated message.
Now I want to play this too. This is Sam Tripley.
Sam Tripley has I think the Tenfold Hat podcast? You know,
I'll be honest, I've listened to it to the podcast
a couple of times. I am not. I'm not a
huge fan. I mean, there's been a ton of people

(49:47):
of you guys that say, hey, get Sam Tripley on
your show, like you guys Gota collab and all this stuff.
And he's I think he's commented on a couple of
things of ours on X and I've never I don't
even think I've ever comment on anything of his. But
you know, Sam Tripley got pretty big because he went
on Joe Rogan essentially, and he's from the LA area.
He's a quote unquote comedian and you know he goes

(50:10):
to places like the Laugh Factory in Comedy Store. But
he had a very interesting take on this earlier. But
it was specifically like how he talked about it. He's
not I don't know. Just listen, guys.

Speaker 9 (50:25):
Spoken to another live. I don't I've been doing these
like once a week now. Decide to keep it going.
I hope you guys are having a good day. Today's
a crazy.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Day, you know.

Speaker 9 (50:36):
Obviously the big story is Jimmy Kimble is they is
being put on permanent hiatus, which is a lot of
people believe is just basically canceled. A lot of people
are losing on both sides having overreaction to it. I
personally am very sad and devastated. I have a friend

(50:57):
who works on Jimmy Kimmel. I love very much. He's
one of my favorite comics at the comedy store. This
is directly going to affect him. And this is why
this stuff is really hard. Okay, and it's and so
now we're getting into did the Donald Trump and the
FCC get involved in pressure people to to cancel Jimmy Kimmel. Okay,

(51:19):
let's just go with the assumption that that is what happened.
That is a direct violation of the First Amendment. And
I am against that. I'm against the government for tailing speech,
stepping in uh and UH limiting our speech.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 9 (51:34):
Whether you like Jimmy Kimble or not, whether you like
Donald Trump or not.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
This is the fact.

Speaker 9 (51:39):
If the FCC set in the pressure these affiliates to
shut down Jimmy Kimmel, that is a violation of the
First Amendment.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
It's a violation. Okay.

Speaker 9 (51:51):
What I'm noticing on the the left is that they're not.

Speaker 5 (51:54):
Like we are mobilized.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
We were.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
We gotta put us off of this.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
You know, hey, I want to pause for a second
because he's saying, and I think this is important to
talk about. He's saying, this is a direct violation of
the First Amendment. Now, most people are going to say, no,
this is not because this is ABC. He is employed exactly,
and they should not be able to fire him now.

Speaker 6 (52:17):
But he did sign an ethical contract, I'm sure of
some extent.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Okay, well did they did they uphold that ethical contract
in the last eight years? No, No, they did not,
So why are they doing it now? Now here's the
here's the big question. If ABC and Next Star in
Sinclair and Disney or whoever, if all these companies say,
you know what, without the pressure of the Trump administration,
we would be okay with this. And I'll be honest,

(52:45):
if he would have said this under the Biden Harris administration,
do you think that he would be canceled right now?
Absolutely not, not a not a chance in hell. He
would be canceled. He would probably be all over everything.
He would Yes, he would get criticized, he would not
be canceled because he is for the left.

Speaker 6 (53:01):
Yeah, But do you think there's a difference in criticizing
or teasing or laughing or making jokes about a living
president then going after somebody that was murdered basically on
social media.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah, well, then the left will also say the same thing,
even though the left loves to try to make, you know,
to kind of make the comparison of what you guys
made memes about George Floyd, right, I mean, although George
Floyd was a criminal and he was I believe high
on fentanyl when he was actually you know, killed, what
they say, murdered, But I still don't even know the

(53:37):
whole facts with that. I was he murdered or not.
I think that, you know, the officer absolutely could have
done better in that whole situation. I mean, if he
would have died, you should have let him die in
the back of the damned police car, because then you
wouldn't be in prison, right now, you know, That's the thing.
But the only way that I might say that this

(53:57):
is a direct violation of the First Amendment, and this
is where it gets tricky, and the same way with
a lot of other people that were canceled or silenced
during the Biden Harris administration. The only way is exactly
what the FCC chairman says, is that you have obligation
to the public to say, you know, because you were
licensed through the FCC, so that is a government license

(54:20):
in body that says you are able to do this
based on this the public interest. And I guess the
problem here, obviously for the FCC chairman, is that Jimmy
Kimmel was intentionally lying to the American people, which is
what the mainstream media do literally every single day. So like,
how isd Jimmy Kimmel so much different in this scenario.

(54:43):
I mean, there have been people on mainstream media that
has been saying crazy shit about the Charlie Kirk assassination.
There are people like Candice Owens and Ian Carroll that
are saying, oh, it's Israel. It's Israel for sure, even
though they're not on mainstream media. But you know, with
mainstream media, and you know, instead of canceling and giving
them the benefit of doubt, like what we should do

(55:06):
maybe in maybe indifference to the government canceling or pressuring
someone to cancel Jimmy Kimmel is that I always believe
that people's true self is going to come out and
as they say things, yeah, I'm sure there's gonna be
people that look at Jimmy Kimmel's statement and say, yeah,
he is he is maga. You know he is he

(55:27):
is maga. I guess I mean Jimmy Kimmel said it.
I mean, and I promise you, like my mom or
you know, older people anything that like World News Tonight
or whoever says they believe, it doesn't make a shit
what it is. If World News tonight six thirty news
right after your local news, if they come on at
six thirty and tell them that, you know, sky is pink,

(55:50):
yeah or whatever, anything right, my mom will be calling
me the next day, Hey, did you hear on World
News tonight that, uh, you know, whatever, it doesn't matter
and Mom automatically believes it, you know, so you know,
is it a violation of the First Amendment? Well, we
got to go back just briefly for a second because
for people that are saying, oh my god, this is

(56:10):
a this is horrible for freedom of speech. This is
the Donald Trump administration that's doing this. And you know,
Kamala Harris came out and said, how are we ever
going to get back from this? You know, this is
going towards a dictatorship, untiltalitarian administration. One of the things
I want to say is we got to talk about

(56:30):
conservatives that were canceled also, right, And so think about
Tucker crosson Fox News. I mean, he was fired from
Fox News in April, right after Fox's seven hundred and
eighty seven million dollars Dominion settlement, where Carlson went on Fox.
He was the biggest rated show on Fox News, and
yet he was still he was fired, and it was

(56:51):
because he questioned whether or not that Dominion actually did
have access to the Internet, the voting machines and could
be manipulated. He also was critical of Biden, Ukraine funding
and even certain establishment Republicans. So his ouster was widely
seen as politically motivated or pressured by the left and

(57:11):
corporate advertisers. And this was one hundred percent something that
you know, I think it's working out in some ways
better for Tucker, but you know, you do have to
understand he was number one mainstream media show period. There
was no one bigger than Tucker Crossing.

Speaker 6 (57:24):
Yeah, his ratings went way down when Fox got rid
of them, but I think Fox was made to get
rid of them. I don't think it was Fox's decision.
I think no, it was well, it was in the lawsuits.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
It was part of lawsuit, I believe, yeah, with dominion.
And then you think about Dan Bongino, Fox News, YouTube, Facebook.
His Fox Weekend show was canceled in twenty twenty three.
He was banned from YouTube in twenty twenty two for
COVID misinformation, and Facebook suspended him at times for similar reasons.
You think about Project Veritas and James O'Keefe. O'Keefe's investigations
group was banned from Twitter in twenty twenty one. Their

(57:57):
undercover videos often targeted Democrats media and five. O'Keeffe himself
was pushed out of Project Veritas in twenty twenty three
after internal conflict. But you have to understand, James O'Keefe
was literally just going undercover and letting you the people
hear how evil these damn people were.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
And this was his own company.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Yeah, and then his board. I guess someone got on
the board and started infiltrating the board saying you got
to get him the hell out of here. They did
everything they could to get rid of James O'Keeffe, and
this was because he was telling too many truths. And
then Donald Trump, I mean, he was permanently banned from Twitter, Facebook, Instagram,
and YouTube.

Speaker 6 (58:31):
As President's President of the City President the United States, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
And so the accounts were slowly restored years later. I
think it was Twitter in twenty twenty two, Meta in
twenty twenty three, says Facebook Instagram. He was obviously the
most prominent conservative cancelation of the era. But when you
cancel a sitting president, that's absolute batshit crazy. And yet
they're saying that, Jimmy Kimmel and everybody on the left
to say, oh my god, what are we doing. We're

(58:58):
going towards a dictatorship here. Then you think about Alex Jones.
He was already banned from major platforms Facebook, YouTube, Twitter,
This was pre twenty twenty, but then during twenty twenty
to twenty twenty two, Apple, on others light and restrictions.
His Info Wars content was demonetized. It was further suppressed
during the Biden era. He was taken off of basically
all banking, I mean, and they didn't just go after

(59:20):
social media accounts or whatever. They debanked you, Nick one Tess,
same thing. I mean, Nick one Tess couldn't even get
a bank account. So it was like, how am I
supposed to survive, he had to literally get other people
to get bank accounts to where he got money sent
through other people's bank accounts. I mean it was, like,
you know, it was like the craziest shit you can
possibly imagine, but no one ever cared about that shit.

(59:41):
You think about Newsmax and OAA in both networks are
dropped from Directva n N in twenty twenty two, Newsmax
in twenty twenty three. That was briefly. I don't know
if they're back or not. They were accused of misinformation
around the twenty twenty election in COVID. And anytime where
you're so hardcore by something like this or where you
would just want to cancel the shit out someone or

(01:00:03):
networks or all of this, sometimes that's, you know, maybe
for good reason. Conservatives call this a censorship move to
weekend right wing cable options. Doctor Simone gold Or America's
Frontline Doctor's banned from Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, questioning vaccines mask
Biden's COVID policies. She also based legal pressure for being
present at January sixth rally. You think about Peter mccola,

(01:00:26):
Doctor Peter mccola, we've had on the show many times
Robert Malone, Robert Malone and then Charlie Kirk in Turning
Point USA. Kirks accounts were temporarily temporarily locked multiple times
on Twitter for questioning code vaccines, Biden immigration policies, and
et cetera. And in Turning Point USA content was flagged
by YouTube Instagram for misinformation. So he was then shadowband

(01:00:49):
And this was not just you know, Charlie Kirk, this
was Turning Point USA. This was a whole thing. Meanwhile,
any other left wing political pundit or movement was yeah,
we're rising through the freaking charts. It was you know,
they had the most followers, they were getting the most
engagement and the most reach, while almost everyone on the

(01:01:09):
right that said anything against the left or anything's completely
sensorive silence. We went through this. We know what this means.
I mean, we still are censored on X I believe.
I mean, I don't know if they just what they
should have done on X was just like reset everybody shit.
But they didn't obviously, because there's still so many people
that like, we'll post something, and it's been really hard

(01:01:30):
just to get ten thousand followers about on X when
because either people can't find us. We post something and
it has like, you know, fifty or one hundred reach
even with ten thousand followers. We're obviously shadow band There's
no question about that. Even though x is supposedly a
free speech platform. We were doing really good on Instagram,

(01:01:52):
guys that we had a run of about three weeks,
three weeks or a month. We got twenty million views
in about three weeks on Instagram, and then one video
we posted the only we posted one video. There was
a video that we call that we just showed this
other potential person had a gun, and then we also
showed up there were some other people doing sign language

(01:02:13):
and handoffs of certain things during the Charlie kirkssassination. Banned
and then only that then they also not banned, but
they shadow bandness. They demonetized this Steven though weren't making
money on there or anything. And then when we posted
the video of the shooter on the roof and then
another view or angle of it, they also demonetized that
video and shadow ban. It took it off the internet completely.

(01:02:35):
There was something very specific about some of these videos
to where like no, you're done. Even though I could
scroll on Instagram all day long see them all. I
literally see the video of the shooting. Yes graphically, yes,
on Instagram, and that's fine. But if we posted certain
things about like hey, here's this angle, here's this angle gone,
like completely gone. So that absolutely happened. Stephen Crowder, his

(01:02:59):
you channel was demonetized multiple times COVID election fraud content,
ultimately suspended and suppressed on YouTube, forcing him to rumble,
which now he's a big partner with. And then you
got Marjorie Taylor Green, Mike Lindell. I mean, he was
banned from Twitter. YouTube retailer stopped carrying his products. Marjorie
or Marjorie Taylor Green. Her Twitter account was banned in

(01:03:20):
twenty twenty two. It was restored by Elon Rudy Giuliani.
YouTube banned him from monetization for election related claims. Doctor Malone,
we've already talked about one of the inventors of m RNA.
We've had him on the show. If you guys want
to go listen to that, go listen. He was banned
from Twitter in twenty twenty one. General Mike Flynn. He

(01:03:42):
was permanently banned from Twitter until twenty twenty two. So
this is not just like This is not new. This
happens all the time. But I think the difference is,
you know, you said that you didn't feel like many
people on the Rite or Republicans are speaking out about
this freedom of speech thing, but we are, and we're saying,

(01:04:02):
you know, what's good for the gander is good for
the goose. You know, if we want freedom of speech
on our side, you got to get freedom of speech
on their side. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, well, it's always
a pendulum swing, right, I mean it's and I think
that's what we're seeing. It's like if if one side
does this to us, and then you know, when we
get in, we're like, all right, we're going to look
for anything to screw you guys over no matter what,

(01:04:23):
We're going to target you. We're going to do whatever
we can to investigate you do all the same things
that you guys did to us. And listen, maybe in reality,
that's just the point we're at. Maybe we're never going
to get past that point, right unless you usher in
a dictatorship to where there's only a king in the
United States again, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
And then you don't speak about anything period.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Unless unless you agree with them, And that's the only
way and you know, I worry about that on any side,
left or right. You know, I mean, and I'm not
even saying necessarily Trump, but just say that. Trump next
week said I'm going to become King of the United States.
You look at the White House now, is full of
you know, he has a lot of appreciation and respect
for the king. Yeah, but he loves the kings of

(01:05:06):
the Middle East.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
And and kind of the whole England.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Yeah. So I don't give a damn who you are. Like,
we need desperately freedom of speech and and and we
need the freedom of expression. And you know, I understand that,
like when something so horrific just happened to Charlie Kirk,
and it was very hard on us, very hard for
us to go on social media and hear this stuff.

(01:05:31):
But you know, if there's a new law enacted that
says that people are not allowed to go on and say,
I don't give a shit if Charlie Kirk died, or
I don't care if this or that or that, and
you're I would rather you not enact the law for that.
I would rather have to see that every day. Then
you act some law that says, well, that's hate speech
or right or that's something that we don't agree with,

(01:05:52):
So we're going to make a law and act it,
and then if you go beyond this point, you're going
to be arrested for this. This is what's happening in
the UK. And they always use shit like you know,
nine to eleven. Now they're going to try to use
Charlie Kirk. And this is under the Trump administration. And
the reason I say the Trump administration is going to
also try to use this. I'm going to play you

(01:06:13):
in a minute what Pam Bondi said and this is
what you said about hate speech.

Speaker 6 (01:06:17):
And then there's hate speech and there is no place,
especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie in our society.

Speaker 7 (01:06:25):
Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups
who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
So we show them that some action is better than
no action.

Speaker 12 (01:06:36):
We will absolutely target you, go after you if you
are targeting anyone with hate speech anything.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
And that's across the aisle. Yeah, So who determines hate speech? Right?
Who determines that? Who's going to be the one that says,
well this hate speech? Arrest them?

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Well is hate speech? Saying that? Because by the way
the right does this all the time. And this what
the left accused the right of. Is saying that trans
or this or that or that could be considered hate speech?
Is hate speech? Saying that liberals are crazy or that
you know, thinking that you're a male or female and
you're not is is a mental illness? Or is going

(01:07:18):
against your president hate speech? Exactly?

Speaker 6 (01:07:21):
And just think about lately in the news, and I
say it all over my Facebook. I don't know if
you see it, but I see all these people being
fired for their comments about Charlie Kirk. They didn't say
that they necessarily wanted him killed. But you know I
talked about in the last podcast. You know, I see
things like rest and piss instead of rest in peace,

(01:07:42):
things like that. Does that require being fired or is
that freedom with speech?

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Well, I mean, yeah, obviously, your employer can absolutely fire
you for something that is morally not what you signed
a contract to or whatever, or maybe they they don't
want their company presented in that way. And if you
are a representative of the company, then you can be fired.
But keeping in mind this kind of goes back to
cancel culture. So is it freedom of speech in our companies?

(01:08:10):
Obligated under the freedom of speech laws. No, not necessarily,
they're not, because they are private entities. They can fire
you if they if you say something you are, you know,
a right to work In most states, you're a right
to work state unless you have you know, a union,
and so you can be fired for any reason whatsoever.
They can fire you if you say that you know
you are tired, if they want to exactly so.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
And it's just interesting, you know, I'm still in.

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
These groups with the teacher groups, and I showed you
a letter today from the superintendent from South Carolina of
Education and they basically were saying, you know, if you
say anything hate speech related about Charlie Kirk on Internet
or on your social media platforms, you can be terminated.

(01:08:54):
And it was telling all the superintendents to let people
know if they're terminated, they got to turn them in
and blah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Blah blah, and law enforcement will get involved even potentially, Yeah, it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
Says, and do you think this is the right way
to go?

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
No, I don't at all. I mean I don't. And
that's just a lot of.

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
People, especially in the teaching category, they are more on
the left, and they say, well, what happens about people
that stood up for January sixth, for example.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Yeah, well, I mean the thing is like, as long
as you do if you bring that in the classroom,
that's one thing, right. I mean, if you bring in
the classroom and try to indoctrinate kids one way or
the other on a political spectrum, that is wrong and
you should not be doing that. That's exactly what we
saw during the Biden Harris administration.

Speaker 4 (01:09:37):
Okay, but what about on your personal Facebook?

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Well, I don't know. I mean, that's the thing that's
your personal Facebook, right, And you know, are you saying
I guess now that you're not allowed to have an
opinion or a thought on something because you are a teacher,
because you're this, Well, I guess that's up to the
to the education system, even though they are publicly funded. Right, So,
I mean, you know that's one of those things. But

(01:10:00):
it's a slippery slope. I mean, I don't My biggest
concern is do not let teachers go into classrooms saying
you know, this is what this is what Charlie Kirk deserved,
you know, some crazy shit like that. Obviously, No, our
kids do not need to be hearing that, nor do
they need to be hearing the LGBTQ plus trans movement ideology.
But you know, that's in classrooms. It has been for

(01:10:24):
I don't know forever. I mean especially the last eight years,
last twelve years. That is in classrooms. So in some
way our kids are being influenced by that in classrooms.
Not necessarily all classrooms and all states, but certain states,
in certain cities they are. You know, there's there's more
gay and lesbian teachers now than probably ever before. You know,

(01:10:46):
so your personal lifestyle does come into your teaching period,
and you know it shouldn't, but it does. And you know,
does what your personal Facebook comments? Should that refer you
being fired or not on as a teacher? I don't know,
but you know, I guess it does maybe reflect what

(01:11:08):
you might try to teach your kids in the classroom.
Like if you're saying some wild crazy shit on the
internet and then your school district is looking at that
and saying, well, we you know, if they're saying this
on social media, what are they saying in the classroom.
But the same thing goes like if you are a
gay or lesbian teacher, or pro trans or pro this

(01:11:31):
mass movement of this ideology and you're posting all this
shit on social media that should be just as reflected
upon as what you believe about Charlie Kirk, which is
a political affiliation or a belief or Christianity whatever. You
know what I'm saying that all may reflect how you
influence your.

Speaker 6 (01:11:48):
Kids and how do they decide what is okay what's
not okay.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
I don't know. I have no idea. It is a
very interesting topic, but I do want to play this
quick clip of Tucker Cross and this was his response
to Pam Bonnie on what she said about hate speech
laws that she wants to incorporate in the United States.
And like I said, guys, I just don't trust Pam
Bondi whatsoever. And you guys, let me know, do you
trust Pambody in cash Retel. Listen, here's Tucker Cousen. There's

(01:12:16):
free speech and then there's hate speech. This is the
Attorney General of the United States, the chief law enforcement
officer of the United States, telling you that there was
this other category glory called hate speech. And of course
the implication is that's a crime. There's almost no sentence
that Charlie Kirk and I'm not running the risk of
appropriating his memory for my own ends by saying this,

(01:12:37):
it's provable. There's no sentence that Charlie Kirk would have
objected to more than that. And you've got to think
the Attorney General didn't think it through and was not
attempting to desecrate the memory of the person she was
purporting to celebrate.

Speaker 12 (01:12:50):
That she just threw that out there that she hadn't
thought about it. You hope that you hope that Charlie
Kirk's death won't be used by a group now called
bad actors to create a society that was the opposite
of the one he worked to build. You hope that
you hope that a year from now, the turmoil we're

(01:13:12):
seeing in the aftermath of his murder won't be leveraged
to bring hate speech laws to this country. And trust
me if it is. If that does happen, there is
never a more justified moment for civil disobedience than that, ever,
and there never will be. Because they can tell you
what to say, they're telling you what to think. There
is nothing they can't do to you because they don't

(01:13:34):
consider you human. They don't believe you have a soul,
a human being with a soul. A free man has
a right to say what he believes, not to hurt
other people, but.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
To express his views.

Speaker 12 (01:13:46):
And by the way, that thinking, and not to pile
on the Attorney General, who's a very nice person, but
that thinking that she just articulated on camera there is
exactly what got us to a place where some huge
and horrifying percentage of young people think it's okay to
shoot people you disagree with, to kill Nazis for saying

(01:14:06):
things they don't like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Why do they believe that? How did we get here?
Is it the video games? Is it the SSRIs yet? Probably?
But what it really is.

Speaker 12 (01:14:15):
Is twelve and then sixteen years of indoctrination in our
schools at the hands of people who tell them that,
who say exactly what the Attorney General just said. Well,
there's free speech, which of course we all acknowledge is important,
so so important. But then there's this thing called hate speech.
Hate speech, of course, is any speech with the people
in power hate, But they don't define it that way.
They define it a speech that hurts people, speech that

(01:14:37):
is tantam out to violence.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
And we punish violence, don't we? Of course we do.

Speaker 12 (01:14:41):
They've been taught that every year of their lives, and
so naturally most of them believe it. When Charlie Kirk
is shot in the throat of the thirty six on camera,
I doubt very many young Americans want to see something
like that or actually applaud the death of a man,
a father, a hu husband. But they've been told for

(01:15:02):
their entire lives in schools exactly what Pam Bondi just
told them. Well, there's free speech, but then there's also
a hate speech, and woe to those who engage in
it because it's a crime.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
There you go, and I agree one hundred percent with that,
and then obviously you're going to have you know, the
pundits on you know, on Fox News and whoever that
come out and say, you know, hey, this is deserved
of Jimmy Kimmel, and I'm not necessarily Look, I'm not
defending Jimmy Kimmel. I can't stand this dude, right, I

(01:15:32):
literally cannot stand this guy. And you know, he is
one person that would be a dream debate for me
to just try to destroy because he people like this
stand on nothing factual. All they can do is just
spread this bullshit that is some type of weird ideological
thing that is literally what they've built the last eight

(01:15:53):
years of his career on. And unfortunately for podcasters and influencers,
when you build something on something, it's very hard to
get away from. You know. Even I want to make
a point to this, Even gaming YouTubers or twitch streamers,
right if they start on this game and they get
huge from it, say it's GTA or Call of Duty

(01:16:16):
or whatever, and they build this mass audience and everybody
loves watching them play Call of Duty, and then one day,
say Doctor Disrespect or one of these big time you know,
YouTubers or live streamers say hey, I'm going to play
something else, this different this day, and then your audience like, no,
we don't want this shit. We're gonna We're not even

(01:16:36):
gonna watch you anymore. If you play something else, you're
so dictated by your audience of what you build. And
that's why it's been interesting too with us, Like you know,
there's a lot of people that haven't necessarily understood that
when in prior to the election of twenty twenty four,
where we were so adamant on, hey, we got to
get Trump in. This is the only option we have

(01:16:56):
in this election. We believe that Trump will do the
right things are beyond what the Biden Harris administration did.
But then after Trump was elected and there were certain
things that we saw, or I saw, in particular Larry Ellison,
the massive investment in AI and mass surveillance and the
Epstein thing. You know, there's been quite a few things,

(01:17:17):
obviously not on the level of Biden. But still just
because Trump is Trump and he's conservative doesn't mean that
like he's perfect. It doesn't mean I'm going to agree
with everything he says. But it was interesting to see
so many comments and messages and emails from people that
were like, Oh, I thought you liked Trump, Like, are
you turning your back? You might as well just be
a Democrat now, I'm like what I'm Are we not

(01:17:39):
allowed to like call out things because he is conservative
or because he's Trump? Because any time you get to
that point to where you're saying that, no matter what
this person does, we're going to go with it, that's
what leads you into a very very scary place because
then if they feel that you were like that, they
think that they can get away with anything. We cannot

(01:18:00):
let any of our government get away with anything. They
are literally there for us. And keep it in mind,
with only three plus million employees that control over three
hundred and sixty million people. They have so much control
it's unbelievable. And so we have to hold them accountable.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
And I get that.

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
And I think my point when we talked about Trump
in the past, the things that have gone wrong and
the things that you don't necessarily agree with, like the
Epstein files and you know, even the JFK files that
you know, alien files, all that stuff that's not come
out like we hoped it would. You know, you went
off on it and you didn't like that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
But my.

Speaker 6 (01:18:42):
Whole premise goes back to, but look at the good
things he did. He's done so much in the first
six months of his presidency. He's closed our borders, He's
done amazing things for our country.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, did do you understand I'm
saying the easy thing is to close the borders. I mean,
and just as easy as it is to open the borders,
it's very easy to close them. Like do your job
as a government. Let's start there, like do the basic
jobs of a government, keep your borders closed, keep your
citizens safe. That's like the job that we have.

Speaker 6 (01:19:14):
Always had Biden, We're still a president or Harris, whatever,
Biden or it be still open.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
I know, I get that, but I guess what I'm
trying to say here is that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
You're saying that's an easy jobs. Well it is an
easy part.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Yeah. And even like when I talk to my brother
about the tariffs, you know, and a lot of other
business owners is killing them right now. The terriffs are
kicking their ass in a lot of ways. And these
are very smart business people, people that not necessarily political
one hundred percent. I mean, a lot of these people
voted for Trump, and a lot of these people are like,
these tariffs are kicking our ass hard. And there's a

(01:19:51):
lot of people say, I don't understand how this is
really going to help us in the future.

Speaker 6 (01:19:55):
But how is it fair for them to have tariffs
on us and we don't have tariffs on them.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Well I understand that, and I get the point of,
you know, we have to be fair. We got to
fight back on this. But also at the same time,
we're coming off of Biden Harris administration that you know,
inflation was at all time high. You know, young kids,
you know, especially graduating college, are so heavily in debt,
and then they can't even afford to buy a house.

(01:20:22):
Most of our twenty three, twenty four to twenty five
year olds are living at home right or living with
someone because they can't afford a house. The interestrates are
through the roof. Everything is through the roof, interestacing cars, everything,
and so you know, then we come off of that,
we start these tariffs, which then inflates everything at least

(01:20:42):
the same as it was before, and in some cases worse,
because I don't think some people realize that some of
the things you're going to pay for because of the
tariffs going forward are going to be much more expensive,
and they already are. I mean, and this is not
a podcast about calling out Trump or and I yes,
I do believe that Trump's long term goal is or
long term America it is it is for us to

(01:21:03):
be fair on the global stage, and it's for us
not to be taken advantage of. I agree with that,
although there are a lot of people that are suffering
pretty hard on that. Business owners, people that are trying
to import stuff, people that are trying to get things
have they're having And by the way, all all of
these things I'm talking about are being put back on
the consumer because they have no other choice, you know,

(01:21:24):
So everything else is going to be more expensive, from
flooring to construction to certain other things. Although Trump just
said something about, hey, we're going to not penalize construction
workers or construction companies on some of these tariffs, even
though I don't know how they're going to work that out.
I had a conversation about that. But either way, what

(01:21:44):
we're actually talking about here is free speech. And the
reality of this whole deal is that you have one
of two things. You have either you're going to cancel
and silence people that you don't agree with, or you're not.
And god knows how many people from the right and
conservatives were canceled during the last administration. Right, I mean

(01:22:07):
so many of us, and I say us, but just
so many of people that were not on the left
or not on the far left. And I always kind
of consider myself center, you know, I agree with some
things like old Democrats believed in, and I agree probably
more so with conservatives and Republicans for sure, on so

(01:22:27):
many different things. But you know, you can't also just
because you were silence and censored back then, you can't
then and go and start say, hey, well, we're going
to do these hate speech laws to where we decide
what's hate speech. And you know, it's the same thing
that we used to tell the people on the left
over the last four years to where we said, you

(01:22:47):
guys are cheering this on. Now we've said this on
our podcast so many times, but one day it's going
to come and bite you. Ad yes, and guess what's happening.
And it's about to happen. And even if, even if
Trump and conservatives come out to and they start banning
and censoring social media accounts from Jimmy Kimble, say they
banned Jimmy Kimmel, maybe he starts going on social media

(01:23:08):
next Facebook and YouTube and he starts posting videos. So
now he's canceled. Maybe he starts posting videos of the
same stuff. What if he starts getting canceled. What if
Stephen Colbert starts getting canceled on YouTube and social media?
What if these left wing pundits start getting canceled, in,
silenced and censored. We warned you, We warned you this

(01:23:28):
would happen. And so when you cheer this shit on,
no matter what side you're on, it's going to hurt you. Eventually,
and even if the Trump administration and Pam Bondi and
who all these people are saying this about the left
right now and saying, oh, well, the left is saying
this about Charlie Kirk. We got to create hay speech laws.
We got to go after them and arrest them if
they're not saying what we want them to say. I'm saying,

(01:23:50):
I'm not going to ever agree with that shit because
I didn't agree with it when the left was doing
it to us. Now I'm not going to agree with
it when us are doing it to them, right, because
we can't have an America, a free a free America
without speech. We cannot have a free America without you
being able to, as a man or woman going out
there and speaking what you want to say. Yeah, and
you need to go as far as possible with that

(01:24:13):
up until employee, up unto employment and you just have
to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:18):
And do you not think that's an oxymoron with what
Charlie Kirk stood for, Because what he stood for was
freedom of speech if you wanted to talk to people
that did not agree with his views.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
Yes, he wanted that. And now we're going against that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Yeah. Well, and they're using it. I mean, everybody's using
this shit for something. That's what's so sickening, right, everybody's
using it. The canice OANs and Ian Carroll's that are
so anti Israel are using it for anti Israel. You know,
the people that are so anti left are using the
anti left. And that might be the most valid at
least from what we've seen so far. But even even

(01:24:55):
with that, you can't say all the people on the
left are murderers, right, I mean, but we do need
to find out who he's connected with, or their outside
organizations or entities involved. We got to find out all
of that. But the point of all of this is
to say that guys, don't cheer on when cancel culture
is in your favor, don't cheer on when freedom of

(01:25:16):
speech is canceled for the other side because it's benefiting
you at this time. Because I promise you, unless there
is a dictatorship in America or a kingship, which, by
the way, even in the event of that, even if
you're on the side of that king or dictator, eventually
they're going to cut your head off too, because you're
never going to always agree with whoever it is that

(01:25:38):
you may agree with now and when the time comes.
Even if you say that, say Trump becomes king or
their dictator, maybe his family does, right, I mean, let's
just give an example or Biden. You could use any
example of this, say that you loved Biden so much
that he becomes king, or you love Trump so much
he becomes king, but one day he's not gonna love you.

(01:26:00):
One day. His power is just transcended. And especially if
you're the king now, and you cannot cheer on people
being canceled or censored or silenced even when you don't
agree with it, because that is literally the core foundation
of freedom of speech. That is the most important part
of the First Amendment is speech that you do not
agree with. And so I listen. If Trump administration had

(01:26:23):
something to do with Jimmy Kimbile being canceled, I don't
agree with it. I think you leave him on. I
think that you know, let ABC and Next Star and
whoever else lose money continuously because they've lost money for
years and years and years now on Jimmy Kimmell, especially
since he went so political. So why do this now?
Why make it look like you are politically silenced in

(01:26:46):
someone when literally they should have been politically or not politically.
They should have been silenced long ago, not because of politics,
but because of the fact that they are ass and
they are losing their network millions of every single episode.
They have one hundred writers. Jimmy Kimwa believe has like
a hundred writers on a show. One hundred. That's one

(01:27:07):
hundred people that come in and write his shitty ass
our show every night, five nights a week. And look,
if we had writers, I mean, we'd probably be so
much better at just reading everything off a teleprompter and
you know, giving our opinion and thoughts and funny jokes.
But we don't have writers. We're just going to sit
here and talk and whatever comes out of our mouth
comes out of our mouth. But also it's just I

(01:27:30):
don't know, That's all I kind of wanted to say
about this. There are people like Greg Guttfeld, you know,
he and I did want to play this before we go,
because I do want to play this. And Greg Guttfeld,
according to Bennie Johnson, summed this up perfectly. Let me
let you hear what Greg Guttfeld said on the five recently,
Here you Go.

Speaker 13 (01:27:50):
It's great even in depth. Death Charlie keeps winning debates.
You know the media, This is what's disgusting. Just look
at the reaction. The media is trying to make Jimmy
Kimmel into their Charlie Kirk, but as if like getting
fired is the same as getting fired upon. That's what

(01:28:13):
disgusts me is how they're trying. They're in a blazan
This is a blatant effort to get the stink off them,
the decades of brainwash that created justification for violence and
for murder. Sorry, guys, he's not a victim. The victim
is Charlie Kirk. The victims are his family. I don't

(01:28:34):
shed any tears for a lefty millionaire who can still
go home and see his kids.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
So look at this through that prism.

Speaker 13 (01:28:43):
Jason Bateman predicts a reckoning over Kimmel's suspension. Sorry, dude,
the reckoning began without you. Your side got thousands of
conservatives thrown off social media. CNN tried to get Fox
off the air. You remember that Stelter. That don't say
that Selter tried to get us off the air. And

(01:29:05):
we're on a private air. We're not in a public
thing like ABC is. While they were doing this. They
were promoting rhetoric that demonized people with different viewpoints. So
there aren't there isn't a both sides here. You can't
turn Kimmel into Kirk. That is disgusting and I'm going
to control myself.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
Let's look at the obvious here.

Speaker 13 (01:29:27):
You have to look at this like mutually assured destruction.
Facebook was pressured by the President or the White House
to throw people out. Trump was thrown off Twitter. They
had Roseanne, Gina Carino, Dave Chappelle, Shane Gillis, jk Rowling.
The list is endless. We could take a whole hour
to do it. How do you stop that mutually assured

(01:29:47):
destruction like what Trump is doing with lawfair. You hunted us,
you hunted Republicans, you hunted conservatives. Well maybe you won't
hunt us anymore if we hunt you. Lastly, I am
so tired of these self centered fools on CNN and
MSNBC with their performative outrage because they will never ever

(01:30:07):
stand outside before thousands of people and debate people who
don't like them.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
They are like me indoor cats.

Speaker 13 (01:30:16):
They used phrase I was at sa Cup used the phrase.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
Systematically killing free speech.

Speaker 13 (01:30:20):
A young man was systematically killed over free speech last week.
Kimmel has every right and every opportunity to do a
live free show outdoors, and so could all those people
on CNN, but they don't. If they did, they probably
wouldn't get shot because no one is demonizing them, no

(01:30:41):
one is calling them Hitler.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
That was your gig.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
So there is Greg Guttfeld, and listen, I agree with
almost everything Gutfield says here. But the thing is as
he said, and this is the future of politics in America.
And I want everybody to understand this. If you after us,
then what makes you think we're not gonna go after you.
This is essentially a nuclear speech war. It is going

(01:31:10):
to end in mutually assured destruction. And when or if,
I guess I can say if and when a Democrat
gets back in office, it's gonna be even worse next time.
It is going to be way worse next time. And
this is something that we all are going to have
to deal with. We're all gonna have to think about,

(01:31:31):
especially people out there that are speaking out, that are
saying things, people like Charlie Kirk. You know, is there
going to be a time in the future if we
handle this the wrong way is there going to be
a time in the future that there will ever be
another opportunity for another Charlie Kirk. And so I want
everybody to remember that we obviously sympathize so much with

(01:31:56):
Charlie Kirk his family. It destroyed us what happened to him.
I you know, if I've said this before, you know,
if they designated well, I'm not even going to say that,
but if these assholes, these people that think that people
like Charlie Kirk should be murdered and killed, there's a

(01:32:20):
lot of things that I would say and think and
feel about those people, is all I'm saying. And but
I think we do have to going forward. We have
to just understand that we are still America. Freedom of
speech is the number one constitutional amendment for a reason.
And no matter whether how many times they canceled us,

(01:32:42):
do we do the same thing to them or is
it a battle at this point? Do we just do
whatever against them as they did to us. And even then,
even when we're on that side where we're the ones
not being canceled or censored, when does it come back
on us, Even if there was never a Democrat that
got back in office. I want you guys to think
about that because it's very interesting. Let us know what

(01:33:04):
your thoughts are. By the way, guys, we do have
a merchandise store. It is investigate orstore dot com. We
got some new merch especially for fall. We got those sweatshirts,
those hoodies, great sweatshirts and hoodies. We do have a
shirt I am Charlie Kirk on there and any proceeds
that we sell from that shirt will go straight to
Turning Point USA. They did just announce tonight that Erica

(01:33:25):
Kirk is going to be the new CEO going forward
for Turning Point USA. I think that's the right thing
to do. I don't know who necessarily they will put
in Charlie Kirk's place. I don't think there is a
way to put anyone in Charlie Kirk's place, and so
they're going to have to find someone, you know, maybe
as good or what. I don't know, but they're not

(01:33:46):
going to find another Charlie Kirk. And so, but I
think at the very least, I think the best thing
to do at this point is putting someone like Erica
and a CEO, and she's going to help the process
going forward of how do we you know, advance this
movement forward, and how do we pick someone that is
even going to compare and you know to Charlie and

(01:34:07):
his messaging, And I don't know who that person would be.
I have no idea that there's been a lot of
conspiracies around that too.

Speaker 4 (01:34:13):
Trust me, and I'm gonna say it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
It better not be it better not better not.

Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
To be Shapiro. I guarantee there's no way, there's.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
No way it would be Ben Shapiro. But you know,
you never know. But guys, we're gonna close it with
Blackout Blues by flex wartext as we started the show. Uh,
we will be back Sunday evening. We still have a
lot to talk about. There's so much going on in
the world and uh, but until then, we want you
guys to enjoy your weekend. Go out and have fun,
love your family, love your friends. Just be happy because

(01:34:45):
you never know when it's your last day. Till next time. Peace.

Speaker 4 (01:34:49):
Peace.

Speaker 14 (01:34:50):
He left a hut.

Speaker 15 (01:34:51):
I think we spelled sundrink.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Joh I sang the bad out of boos my behind
the study eyes and.

Speaker 5 (01:35:09):
I know about you take over the.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Ford every time, reckless boys. Everybody like it was fad.

Speaker 15 (01:35:31):
All the morning secrets.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Like then, I would never see the bread day.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
I was so left in mind.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
I think my wallless God in my battery day. Although
I starting to kill, we can make the pastay I
sang the back out of boots, my moy hind the
study eyes.

Speaker 5 (01:35:59):
And now I know about you.

Speaker 14 (01:36:02):
Last tacay I was over boor and everything and shut
shutter anthing, and a good.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
We get a son of black down. So raise your glasses.
A single black up blood. But there's a small behind

(01:36:39):
these clodias.

Speaker 15 (01:36:41):
And I don't know about you, but a tacay I
was overboard and everything, every shot, shutting, emping, and a good,
and we get a sn of black down.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
So raise your probless just the thought, a rather hope

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