Our Interview with Phil Lyman | Nearly a Year Before the Charlie Kirk Assassination

This interview with Phil Lyman was originally recorded in September 2024, nearly a year before the tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk. At the time, Lyman was running for governor of Utah. In this conversation, he opened up about what he believed to be deep corruption within Utah politics, his time in jail for standing up to the federal government, and why he suspected Governor Spencer Cox may have cheated in the race. We’re reuploading this episode now because recent allegations from Candace Owens have put Phil Lyman back in the spotlight. This is the original interview, unedited, for historical context and transparency. Subscribe and follow Investigate Earth Podcast for more unfiltered interviews and deep dives.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, guys, wanting to break in with a quick little
note before this episode. This is a re uploaded episode
from one year ago. This is when we had Phil Lyman,
the governor candidate for Utah, on our podcast to discuss
the corruption that was going on that he believed was
really going on leading up to Spencer Cox being elected
governor of Utah. The reason why I think this is

(00:23):
an important listen and just a re listen is for
a couple of reasons. Number one, Candace Owens has been
speculating or conspiratualizing. I guess you can say that Phil
Lyman and his family somehow it's had something to do
with the Charlie kirkssassination.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
We had covered that probably a couple of weeks ago,
and I think on that episode I said, look, you know,
we kind of know Phil, He's been on the podcast,
we know people that know him, and so I do
want you guys to re listen to this because regardless
of whatever Candace says on that particular episode where she
calls out Phil Lyman and she speculates all this stuff,
it is also very interesting to me how Phil felt

(01:01):
like he was screwed essentially in that election, and he
also covers in this episode the corruption and how corrupt
it was in Utah. I find that interesting, especially considering that,
you know, a year or so later, you have Charlie
Kirk assassination in Utah, conveniently in Utah with Spencer Cox

(01:21):
the governor. Not saying Spencer Cox has anything to do
with it. All I'm saying is this governor is the
main one that came out and gave this, you know,
this glorious speech. I think it was probably a couple
of days after the assassination. The other reason is we're traveling,
We're kind of doing a lot of things right now,
but we will have a brand new episode out in
the next couple of days, so I.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Just wanted to check in say we miss you guys.
We're going to be back very soon.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
But I do think this is an important episode for
you guys to listen, to give us your thoughts on
what you think about Phil, what you take from this.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Interview, and we will talk to you very soon. Pisa.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Guys, this been the Humeruka. It's been to feel say

(02:22):
it's been and Humeruka live though we get away.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Hello and welcome to Investigator Earth podcast. I'm your host, Chad,
alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. On tonight's episode, we got
a very special guest by the name of Phil Alignment.
He is the governor candidate of Utah going up against
Spencer Cox. Although there has been some funny business, it
sounds like maybe over there in Utah.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Phil, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for
taking the time to do this with us.

Speaker 5 (02:55):
Oh, thank you. It's great to be on. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah. So, Phil, you have been a representative of the
state of.

Speaker 6 (03:02):
Utah for how long now, six years?

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Six years, and so you are a Republican candidate in Utah,
and just first tell me what made you want to
run for governor of Utah to begin.

Speaker 7 (03:15):
With, well, it's kind of what got me into politics
early on Ramford County Commissioner in twenty ten in Salmon County,
and it was in response to some serious bad policy
on the part of the Bureau.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Of Land Management and some damage that they did to
people in my community.

Speaker 7 (03:34):
And so I ran for county commissioner and did that
for eighty years and saw the same thing happening. I
thought maybe I could have an impact to the legislature.
It got to the legislature, saw the same thing happening. There,
just a lot of backdoor dealing and to the detriment
of the people that were supposed to be serving.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
And so I decided I was going to run for governor.

Speaker 7 (03:55):
I felt like our governor was very weak and very vulnerable,
and so I decided to run for governor.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
And so before we even get into the Utah saga
and kind of some of the stuff that has went
on in your situation, which is primarily why you're on,
but tell our listeners, what is your stance on Donald
Trump and kind of what's been going on, especially in
this election season. Obviously, you have Kamala Harris that has
now been placed into the position to be the candidate,

(04:26):
whereas Joe Biden was basically forced out, which obviously there
were many people that did not think Joe Biden was
doing anything because there was many times that Joe Biden
was seemed like maybe he had dementia, whatever the case was,
and everybody was like, look, you know who was actually
running our country. And then Kamala Harris, which was extremely

(04:47):
unpopular the entire presidency. She had one job. It seemed
like as borders are which she did not do. And
now all of a sudden, it's like she's the most
popular presidential candidate history.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
What is your stance on all that.

Speaker 7 (05:00):
Well, it's so interesting without it, without a convention process,
without nobody voted for Kamala.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
Harris, and there she is, you know.

Speaker 7 (05:07):
In that spot because I guess because President Obama, you know,
chapter is.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
The next as the go to person. So so strange.

Speaker 7 (05:14):
But as far as Trump goes, I've been a I've
been an unashamed supporter of Donald Trump for a very
very long time before he ever ran for president. I
thought he was a you know, just a really great
business person. I admired him a lot. And then going
back to my county commission days and kind of standing
up to the federal agencies, I ended up getting prosecuted

(05:35):
in a real ridiculous, you know, uh, politically motivated case
and spent ten days in jail and you know, hundreds
of thousands of dollars in attorney's fees and uh. But anyway,
I ended up getting a pardon from from Donald Trump.
My my loyalty was already there before that, but I

(05:55):
have a little bit of a connection with with him
through that whole process. He came out to Utah reduced
to the Bearsiers National Monument. That was really an onerous
thing that the Obama administration had put on us.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
So lots of reasons that I'm that.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
I'm you know, kind of have an affinity for for
the man himself, but going forward, he is absolutely my
choice for president.

Speaker 6 (06:20):
So were you politically prosecuted?

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Basically, yea federal court.

Speaker 7 (06:26):
It was they charged me with conspiracy to trespass, a
misdemeanor charge for conspiracy to trespass, and no one's ever
really heard of it before or since. But we had
a we had a demonstration and it wasn't a protest,
it was it was an event about about you know,

(06:47):
six hundred some other people showed up. And then four
months afterwards that they charged me with conspiracy to trespass
and it was really ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
But we spent ten days in jail for that.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
They wanted to put me away for two for two years.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (07:02):
I had four four federal judges recutiction. They recused because
we pointed out, hey, you've got a conflict of interest.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
They're very tied to the environmentalist groups that.

Speaker 7 (07:16):
Were pushing this whole thing, and uh, and my my
attorney at the time, said, you know, you'll never get
a federal judge to recuse.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
You're gonna end up going to jail for five years. Years.

Speaker 7 (07:27):
And I said, he's got a recuse, he's he he
clearly has a conflict.

Speaker 5 (07:31):
So we so we made the motion to recuse. He recused,
and then.

Speaker 7 (07:35):
And then three other judges after him recused it before
we went. And by the time we got to Tennanty,
fortunately the judge had a little bit of common sense
and and.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
He actually.

Speaker 7 (07:47):
I thought he should have, you know, the whole, the
whole deal, but instead he said, well, you were convicted,
and that's so he sent us me to ten days in.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
Federal jail, the purgatory correctional facility, to be exact.

Speaker 6 (08:00):
That is unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
And so what was your demonstration about, Phil, if you
don't mind this.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
Escana, Well, we had.

Speaker 7 (08:09):
It was on a road closure, but it was not
about the road closure. It was about the BLM essentially
taking over all of the industry, the productive industries in
San Juan County.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
We're roughly ninety.

Speaker 7 (08:23):
Percent owned by the federal government my county. And so
we watched as the logging industry was shut down, the
extractive industries were shut down, the cattle industry was being
under attack, and we knew this national monument was being proposed,
the Bearser's National Monument, and what I had a town
hall meeting and I told the people, I said, it
is going to happen. The federal government when they decided

(08:45):
they're going to do something, it's going to happen. But
the narrative will be that we wanted it and that
we were okay with it unless we make a little
bit of noise. So we had those protests and we
did it on this little canyon it's about a mile
from my front door, on a road that they said,
uh was uh that the area was closed to off

(09:07):
road travel. So we stayed on the road, did everything
in order. BLM had a long conversation with him before
and I had on on on record.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (09:17):
They said, oh, yeah, don't worry. UH, No one's going
to be arrested. We're not going to do anything anything
like that. Have a have a good celebration. They thanked
me afterwards for keeping everything on the up and up.
And then and then it was the Environmentalist group five
months later, UH got a big petition going. And I'm
sure you don't know who Tim de Christopher is, but
he had gone to jail for protesting the BLM on

(09:40):
the environmentalist side several years earlier, and their thing was, well,
he went to jail, So Phil has to go to jail.
And the US Attorney's just prosecuted me based on the
on their petition.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
So it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
That's stuff that's interesting because I mean, obviously a lot
of our listeners you know there and we've actually even
talked about Bureau of Land Management land and you know,
if you live out west, there are massive swaths of
land that you can do a lot of stuff on them.
You can go camping on, you can go hiking on,
you can do all these amazing things.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
You can even land airplanes.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
You know, you're for the back country bush, yeah, the
Butchcraft flyers. And but also you don't always think about
it as a way of maybe government control of land.
You know, they want you to believe, Hey, guys, look,
you can do all this fun stuff. You can go
hike in, you can go camping, you can do all this,
but in the end, it really is a control of

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land by the government.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
And as you were, saying is set.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
You know, I guess to you maybe it seemed like
the government was trying to take over land shutting and
killing out industry, which is what the Democrats have done
so very well since, especially you know, obviously the Joe
Biden administration came in, but even under Obama as well.

Speaker 7 (10:53):
Yeah, well that's you know, and that's what I've said
many many times in these meetings, is they come in
and they say.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
Hey, you don't need oil and gas growing.

Speaker 7 (11:03):
You can replace that income in your community with recreation
and tourism.

Speaker 5 (11:07):
And they're not wrong. Recreation is a huge industry. So
that goes away. Then they say you don't need logging,
you don't need grazing.

Speaker 7 (11:14):
And once they've shut down all of those productive industries,
then they come back and they say, you know, we
really don't like recreation and tourism either, and you've got
nothing to fall back on, and they shut it down.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
And that's what happens. I mean, they're closing over over
one thousand miles of roads have.

Speaker 7 (11:28):
Been closed just this year by the Biden administration to
the Bureau of Land Management.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
And that's.

Speaker 7 (11:35):
It's honestly, it's mean spirited, it's kind of a Marxist
flex on these communities that hey, we.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
Can and we will.

Speaker 7 (11:46):
And that's the scary part about it is that they
have not only the ability to do it, but they
have the inclination to shut down your economies of these
rural communities.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, for sure, Phil.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
And as we get into kind of the conversation with
what your situation is now in Utah, how bad do
you think things are in America right now? I mean,
you know, obviously you have two separate parties, and you
have two very distinct set of people in this country
that are so divided on so many issues.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Whereas obviously you have the.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Left, and a lot of the people on the left
on platforms like Exit are saying, oh my gosh, if
Donald Trump gets in, we're done. That's the end of democracy.
And then, you know, you know, obviously you have the
right which is demonstrated in my opinion many times, that
if they are actually back in and continue to get
into office, that it actually will be the end of
our freedoms. How important Number one do you think this

(12:41):
twenty twenty four election is for America?

Speaker 5 (12:45):
Oh? I think it's so important.

Speaker 7 (12:47):
The fear that I have is that the election itself
is kind of a front for.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
Their whole process.

Speaker 7 (12:57):
I've got a big seminar I'm doing this this this
week on elections, and Greg Stenstrom wrote a book called
Parallel Elections, which really speaks to me. It's like you
have the election that people see, and then you've got
the actual election that's taking place, or if you can
even call it an election, and so the election, I

(13:19):
honestly believe is a little bit of a front for
a whole separate process that the elites have in place
to make sure that their candidates are the ones that
appear to have won the election. So but yeah, it's
it's huge twenty twenty four. I think if we if
we lose, if the people lose their hold on that process,

(13:44):
I don't think they're going to get it back.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
And I've actually been saying on this podcast for six
or eight months or maybe even I don't know, a
year and a half, two years or whatever. It just
it just seemed like twenty twenty was strange. Hey, without
even going into crazy detail, but you have someone like
Joe Biden that you know, know.

Speaker 6 (14:00):
Apparently popular president in the world.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, history, I mean one million votes, which is insane,
and yet he you know, was going to campaign rallies
where there were twenty people and you know, obviously they
blamed on COVID, but started to tell us a little
bit about your situation. So you've got Spencer Cox, which
is the current governor of Utah, and what has been
your process. I have heard a lot of stuff kind

(14:24):
of leading into this show about what I think is
just crazy. But how do you think that this process
of you running for governor in Utah has went?

Speaker 5 (14:40):
Well? Yeah, so.

Speaker 7 (14:43):
I guess I guess how it's how it's gone is
that it has really shined a light on things that that
had to come to light in Utah. Spencer Cox, he
campaigns as a conservative right up patell He wins the
primary election with the Republicans, and then he switches and
he campaigns as a liberal and he's flip flopped back
and forth. When he right after he won the election

(15:05):
four years ago, he signed a compact to implement DEI
as a policy in Utah, and everyone, you know, thought,
well that DEI was kind of a new thing, diversit
the equity and inclusion, and people were like, well, I
don't know that that makes a lot of sense. But okay,
he's you know, got this big heart apparently, well, well

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find out after the fact that it was COVID money.
He received roughly a billion dollars to the governor's office.
One of the conditions was that ten percent of that
would be used to promote DEI in Utah and that
the kids would remain masked throughout the school year. And
that was never it was never disclosed. We thought that
we were keeping the kids in masks, you know, to

(15:46):
save grandma and grandpa, and that was what.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
The kids were being told, you know, scared to death.

Speaker 7 (15:51):
And then and then we find out, no, this is
all is It's just such a money game with Spencer Cox.
And he's very involved with the National Governors Association.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
He's the president of that.

Speaker 7 (16:03):
He's he joined the the Biden Climate American Climate Corps,
the only Republican governor to do so. He's basically a
Gavin Newsom two point zero type of guy. And then
for me, the real rope came to the public lands
and the you know, swapping out what we call our

(16:23):
state school sections. In the West, we have these sections
of land that are controlled by the state.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
He was swapping those.

Speaker 7 (16:30):
Out to the Bureau of lab Management basically to appease
the environmentalists and and kind of give up our birthright
there so very much. You know, he uses his pronouns
with grade school kids. He vetoed the bill that would
have kept boys from competing at girls sports, all of
these things that you would expect from a far left
leaning Democrat governor. And yet he's got an art by

(16:51):
his name and expects, you know, to be respected for
those things.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
So all of that's kind of come to light over
the last four years.

Speaker 7 (16:57):
He's very unpopular in Utah except for those that are
kind of on the receiving end of this syndicate that
promotes big development in fifteen minute cities and controlling all
the water things like that. So it's it really is
kind of like this that.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
The elites versus.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
The you know, the the common man.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah, I mean common man, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
It's so weird how you speak about a lot of
this stuff, because we talked about, we have talked about
so much of this.

Speaker 8 (17:30):
Stuff all that you don't normally hear a politician using
those kind of words like that.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Well, the ones, the ones you do, though, they go
after and they want to shut up and they want
to destroy for sure, and you know, those are the
people that you need to be following. And you know,
back to your point, he vetoed bill on banning transgender
girls from participating in girls sports, you know, which is insane.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
That is a far left movement.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Is response to COVID nineteen talk about the immigration policies
that Spencer Cox has kind of been a part of.
I mean, obviously, many can so vratives have accused him
of turning Utah into a sanctuary state for illegal immigrants. Obviously,
if you look at what's going on in Aurora, if
you look at what's going on in Chicago, although they're
trying to downplay what's going on in Aurora, Colorado, and
Chicago and basically everywhere else something. You look at Colorado,

(18:15):
you look at you look at Oregon and Washington, there's
so many places. New York has become just a cesspool
of violence and crime, and a lot of this has contributed.
Some of this is at very least contributed to immigration.
I think they said three out of four crimes in
Midtown New York just over the past year has been

(18:37):
at the hands of immigrants. So regardless of however, you know,
you look at this that is a actual stat and
it is happening. What is U taught? Like, how do
you see Utah as far as the immigration is it?
You know, Utah has always been known as this state
that everybody loves it, just a beautiful state.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
You know, you got a place to go skiing. Yeah, well,
it's just a very virus thing.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
And I think it's been known for quite a while
as a Republican state.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
What happened?

Speaker 1 (19:05):
How is it in some ways becoming a sanctuary state?
I guess is it because of Spencer Cox?

Speaker 5 (19:12):
Yeah? Yeah. And it's interesting.

Speaker 7 (19:13):
Utah is a is kind of a unique, uh state,
because we have this really kind of dominant culture in
Utah because of the LDS Church and I'm a member,
and it's you know, I understand all that, but I
believe that I believe that Utah is a little bit
of an experiment for the for the globalists to say, hey,

(19:34):
Utah seems like a place we could implement some of
these things. And we have a reputation for being really
you know, compassionate, big hearts and uh and so the
immigration thing is one of those is like, well we're
going to work, you know, they're going to come in
and they're going to implement these really aggressive immigration policies
and tell the people all the while that they're doing

(19:55):
it in the name of, you know, opening up to
new Americans. And that's you know, Spencer Cox throws that around,
you know, talking about the New Utah and new Americans
and getting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants and providing health
insurance to illegal immigrants and all these things that have
been really pushed through through him and through the legislature.

(20:16):
And then when the when Ice comes out and says
that we're a sanctuary state, then he gets all offended.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
You know, We're not a sanctuary state.

Speaker 7 (20:25):
It's like, well, it's not something that you know, fill
out an application. You're designated by eyes as a sanctuary
state because of your policies, and those policies have been really, really,
really friendly to illegal immigration. And what I say is,
you know, states, we're going to have a certain amount
of illegal immigration no.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
Matter what they do.

Speaker 7 (20:43):
But we've had, we've created policies that make us not
only magnet for illegal immigration, but for illegal immigration by
people with criminal intent because of our no no detention
policy for illegal immigrants, and you know, we've got people.
A guy was arrested here a few weeks back with
thirty pounds of fentanyl and it was like his twentieth

(21:06):
twentieth arrest for illegal drugs. But he was he was
a non citizen, and and so he's you know, just
catch and release basically.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
And Bill phil explained, you know, sanctuary states essentially, don't
they basically have policies in place that ICE can't really
do anything about immigration. I mean, is that what a
sanctuary state or city essentially is.

Speaker 7 (21:30):
It's interesting because I I it's the federal regulations that
say you cannot detain a non citizen for more than
seventy two hours in a facility that's not ICE approved.
And then and then they give you all this list
of qualifications that you have to do to qualify for
an ICE facility, And we don't have any in Utah.

(21:53):
Sally County has has like you know, thirteen beds or
something like that, and they're the only they're the only
ICE facility in Utah. So if somebody commits a really
serious crime, they're going to either go to that Salt
Lake facility or ICE is going to come and pick
them up and take them to a federal facility. But
other than that, the counties are saying, well, we can't

(22:15):
keep them, or it's we're violating federal law if we
if we detain them longer than seventy two hours. So
the officers that arrest him take him to the court.
The judge sees what he's dealing with, and he signs
in order that they're going to be released.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
We had we had.

Speaker 7 (22:31):
Four non citizens that you know, viciously sexually assaulted a
fourteen year old girl, videotaped it, and they got four
years of probation.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
And people are like, why would they get probation, Why
would they not be in jail. It's like, well, they're
non citizens.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
We can't detain them or will be in violation of
federal law. And my mantra all the way through the
election was if they if they live in Utah and
they break a law in Utah, they can sid in
a Utah jail, and we tell the federal government to
pound stand on there on their you know, yeah, saying
that we're violating federal law. It's like, all right, we're

(23:06):
still not letting him back out into our communities with
our kids. And that's where I've differed from Spencer Cox
because he he stands up and proudly says, well, in
Utah we obey federal laws. And it's like, you know,
we're we're also a state, and we also have an
obligation to the people that live here, and if there's
a federal law that is unconstitutional such as that, then
then we should violate. And it's weird because we've said no,

(23:30):
we will not, we will not violate that law. And
so I says, oh, well, then you're a sanctuary state
because you don't have ice facilities and you won't put
in ice facilities and you're going to release these people after.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
Seventy two hours. Sorry, that was a long explanation.

Speaker 7 (23:45):
That creates the that's what creates the sanctuary state designation.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Now, Phil, I have heard about some signature stuff, right,
I mean, how do you feel like that you have
been kind of screwed over in this process for governor?

Speaker 8 (24:03):
When I heard this, I about died well and not
believe what's going on in Utah with this.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, it's not even that too, which we're going to
get into also other will the real phill Lineman please
stand up?

Speaker 5 (24:13):
Oh yeah, but no, it just it just keeps getting
weirder and weirder.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
But yeah, so yeah, start with the signature aspect.

Speaker 7 (24:20):
Yes, so a person can qualify to be on the
ballot through getting signatures versus going through the convention and
the caucus, and then you know your local precincts.

Speaker 5 (24:32):
And I went the convention route.

Speaker 7 (24:33):
I won the convention with sixty seven well I guess
rounded to sixty eight percent, and by the bylaws, if
you get over sixty percent, you don't go to the primary,
you go straight to the general. But because Spencer cox
had gathered signatures, needed twenty eight thousand valid signatures, then

(24:54):
he forced a primary, and then he wins the primary supposedly.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
But the problem is we said.

Speaker 7 (25:03):
And in the past, and I mean like a couple
of weeks before, people were saying, can I see the
signature packets of this candidate or of that candidate?

Speaker 5 (25:11):
Yeah, come on in, here they are. You can thumb
through them. You can see if you see any problems.

Speaker 7 (25:16):
And and when we asked to see Spencer coxes, the
answer was no, you can't look at these. And the
other twist on this is that the lieutenant governor is
over elections and then they're on a single ticket with
the governor. So essentially the governor is in charge of
his signatures, uh, you know, safeguarding those, He's in charge
of verifying whether the signatures passed, he's in charge of

(25:40):
the election, counting.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
The votes, all of these things.

Speaker 7 (25:43):
And then he's saying, no, you can't look at you
cannot look at my signatures.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
And we're saying, well.

Speaker 7 (25:49):
This is a this is a new twist, because of
course opposing candidate can look at the signatures. And anyways,
we were denied that. So we sued when to district court.
The district court kicked it down the road. We're still
in district court. We're going to appeals. But yeah, so
we've not been given any access to the signatures, which

(26:12):
is really which is which is a new twist. And
so so I've said, I don't believe he's got his signatures.
I don't believe he got his twenty eight thousand signatures.
He only he only reported twenty eight thousand and six
and that was after that, you know, vetted him and
done whatever, and so it's not like he's got much
of a buffer there.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
And please explain, Phil, who are these signatures from? To
our listeners, Oh.

Speaker 7 (26:35):
Yeah, So it's a it's a petition, it's a public petition.
They call it a nominating petition. And so signature companies,
signature gathering companies, hire these these kids, and they hire
these kids to go out and gather signatures and pay him,

(26:55):
pay him money. That the average cost is around ten
bucks of signature, So twenty eight thousand signatures just two
hundred and eighty thousand dollars. And anyway, they just go
go door to door and the people that sign have
to be registered Republicans, citizens of Utah over eighteen, that
kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
And so that also goes back to what do you
believe Spencer Cox's popularity? I know you mentioned this earlier,
but what is your consensus on the citizens of Utah?

Speaker 3 (27:26):
What do they think about Spencer Cox?

Speaker 7 (27:30):
Well, I mean, probably, like anywhere else, there's there's a
lot of ambivalence with people. Spencer is very unpopular with
the conservatives, and he's actually quite popular with the far
left with the Democrats, and they they jump onto the
Republican primary so they can help to keep him in office.

(27:54):
But then in the middle, you know, it's just a
bunch of people that are probably you know, feeling okay
about the incumbent, But this last four years has been
really it's been a real challenge for people through.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
The COVID, through the COVID years and then.

Speaker 7 (28:07):
Not property taxes average increase of close to forty percent.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
People are not happy about that. So I guess it's
a mixed bag. Again.

Speaker 7 (28:15):
It comes back to those people that are kind of
in favor of the syndicate are really really powerful in
messaging that Spencer Cox is a popular and a you
know and a great governor. The people who actually, you know,
use their powers of observation are not happy.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
So yeah, so the twenty eight I mean, and that's
funny because you know, if you don't have any cross
reference for signatures here, how do you verify whether they
are legitimate?

Speaker 6 (28:43):
And well, they won't even let them say the signatures?

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, so who is responsible to verify twenty eight thousand
signatures in.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
Utah twenty eight thousand and six?

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah? Is it the election board that does this supposedly
or how's.

Speaker 6 (28:57):
It supposed to be?

Speaker 7 (28:57):
It is supposed to be each county clerk, but since
this was a state wide race, typically would be the
Lieutenant Governor's office that would do that. They delegated it
to the Davis County Clerk's office. So one county that
did all these And this is an interesting thing because
the same company gathering signatures for another candidate within a county,

(29:19):
they just qualified over a quarter of their signatures. And
it was like, say, same company, same gathering, and they
had they had a quarter of their signatures disqualified after
the fact. And so we said, well, we want to
look at Washington County signatures because it's the same people
that are gathering for Spencer Cox. It's going to be

(29:39):
that you know, the guy goes out and he has
a petition for three or four people and you sign
each one of those. So we thought, well, that's a
good cross reference. I'm a CPA, so I'm always looking
at how could you compify this? So you say, yeah,
we'll take Basically, they counted the same the same batch
of signatures at least for this local race. And this
guy had all of his disqualified, a huge amount disqualified.

(30:00):
Those get disqualified on Spencer Cox. Easy cross reference and
no way could we do it. In fact, when we
when we asked to get the packets from Washington County,
they initially said, okay, yeah, you can you can come
and you can you know, take what you need. And
then they came back and said, oh, sorry, there's a
criminal investigation.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
You can't look at these signatures in Washington County.

Speaker 7 (30:22):
So we start digging into this, Well, what's the criminal
investigation there said there's alleging fraudulent signatures, forge signatures, things
like that. That that's a pretty big deal. It's like, oh,
that we should definitely cross reference this. But because it's
a criminal investigation, you can't. You can't look at the
Washington County signatures. It's it's what it was is. It's
just obstruction. It's just another it's a tactic to say, oh,

(30:45):
guess what. Normally you could look at these, but because
it's a criminal investigation, now you can't look at them.
And then after we were denied, then they come back
and they say, well, there's no there's no criminal investigation.
I don't know what the line of the campaign's talking about.
It's like, well, you're on record here. It's just it's
like hiding the ball. It's just a constant game of
hide the ball.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
So so your next option, obviously, if you get screwed
this way, which it sounds like you are I hate
to say it.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
I mean, if if, if someone is not going.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
To allow you to at least cross reference the signatures
for a s validity.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Okay, fine, So what is your next option? Is it?
Right in?

Speaker 1 (31:23):
You know, Hey, let's let's get as many people to
write us on the ballot to where maybe we can
actually get elected in this election for governor. And how's
that process turned out so far for you?

Speaker 7 (31:35):
Well, that's that's what we're down to. And it just
becomes a matter of principle of saying, well, you know,
we're not just going to be intimidated into a corner
and slink away. We we have options. We're going to
use all of them. I told I had a debate
with the governor at the beginning, and afterwards one of
the reporters asking, you know, are you going to accept
the results of the election, and I said, I'm going

(31:56):
to I'm going to verify the results of the election
no matter who wins and h and you know, importantly,
I you know, I had sixty eight percent at convention.
The governor on the election on the election night, he
declared victory twenty three minutes after the polls closed and
was criticizing me in his speech for not conceding, and

(32:16):
I'm saying, hey, come on, at least have a little
those bit of a you know, fair sportsmanship. Let's let's
wait till till the election is a little further along.
But it's very orchestrated, and so and then and then
the it's like when they deny our request for records,
it's never just a you know, like a friendly denial. Sorry,
you know, law says we can't give you these. It's

(32:38):
always you know what what idiots? You know, you didn't
even do this and you didn't even follow this, and
it's like so so it's really hard, you know, it's
it's not a dignified approach to say to all of
the people that have supported me and still support me,
to say, you know, well, we're just going to quit.

Speaker 5 (32:56):
They've they've been they've been really mean. So we're so
we're going to go away.

Speaker 7 (32:59):
And so we're in the love a writing campaign and
it's it's got a lot of traction and and the
one thing it absolutely is doing it continues to shine
a light and expose some of the practices.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
All right, so what about some other Linemans on the
write ins is is that true that there are other
linements potentially that are I guess kind of in play
for people to write in though.

Speaker 7 (33:25):
So yeah, so so all you had to write in
and and we you know, as of last week it
was just Liman. You could just write Linman and that's
we've We've advertised that name, spent a lot of money.
You get name recognition for the for the just the
lineman name, and it's it's legal for another lineman to
put in.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
What happened is.

Speaker 7 (33:46):
Last Tuesday, I get a message on X from a
person that says, Hey, my my co worker named Richard
Lyman just came and said that the Cocks campaign offered
him a thousand dollars if he had put his name
on the ballot. It's like, oh, well, that's weird, and
I thought, I'm not going to I'm not going to

(34:07):
respond to that or publicize that until we see something. Well,
sure enough, on the day of the deadline, Richard Lyman
puts in to run and he has to and he
has to put on a lieutenant governor by five o'clock
the next day and ends up putting on Carol Lyman,
his mother, and uh and again if if if Richard

(34:29):
and Carroll want to run for governor and lieutenant governor,
more power to him. And then then we have to
write Phil Lyman instead of just Lynman. But the fact
that if we can verify that he was offered this
thousand dollars or paid one thousand dollars, that's a felony.
That's that's that's that's not a campaign contribution.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
That's it.

Speaker 7 (34:46):
That's paying somebody to interfere and obstruct an election. And
that's exactly that's exactly what I believe happened. Happened. You know,
Do I have faith that a judge is going to
here are the case? And because judges are all appointed
by the governor in Utahs.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, so, so they're part of the system. I mean
that system.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, yeah's And I want to explain to people too
if they don't understand, if you know the amount of
money that you guys have spent to just write in
Lineman and then when you have other Linemans coming on
the you know, the ballot or the chance to be
governor in Utah, this is obviously a campaign from the
governor to distort, confuse and make it to where there

(35:33):
is going to be If someone writes in Lineman, whether
they say, well, we don't know if it's Phil Lyman
or not.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
That could be you know, Richard or his mom.

Speaker 6 (35:42):
You know, a lot of times.

Speaker 8 (35:43):
When people go vote, a lot of them will just
do like straight Republican. They'll push the button, says straight
this straight that you know, unless you have a you know,
I guess what my point is is a lot of
people are just going to push the button. They're not
going to take the time to write any names down.
And I just don't think this is a fair thing
at all. I think he is so scared to have

(36:04):
your name even on the ballot because he knows you'll win.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah, and that's and that's true too, but also you
know if Phil And by the way, when I go
on x and I looked up Utah governor, one of
the first posts I actually saw was Utah needs to
write Phil Lyman, and that was the hashtag yes, yeah.
Do you want a governor who won't use pronouns with

(36:27):
school kids? Do you want a governor who won't push
DEI hiring in schools? Do you want a governor whose
education advisors aren't restorative justice cheerleaders? And so, now, obviously
this new hashtag is a hashtag right in.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Phil Lyman and not random Linman. And I think there
has to.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Be something for And I actually did this research a
little bit yesterday and I was looking at our top states.
We often do that, and surprisingly with the topics we
talked about, California is our number one, but you Tah
our popularity, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, our demographics, California is
number one.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
I think Utah has our number four. So Utah.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
There's a lot of people listening right now that are
in Utah. And I want you guys to understand that
if you want someone that is not a rhino, which
is Spencer Cox, and you want someone that's actually going
to have the same type of policies that are pro America,
Phil Lyman sounds like he's your guy.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Phil.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
I do want to get into this a little bit
as well, because we've talked about a little bit of
globalism and elitism and kind of the system at play.
I want to ask you kind of just a topic
that probably not a lot. I mean, there are some
politicians that are talking about this, and like I said,
most of those politicians are being canceled or silenced or whatever.

(37:46):
And the only place for some of those people to
talk nowadays are platforms like X which is really the
only where I mean sorry, the only place that you
can speak freely if you.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Are on the right or are pro America. How bad
do you really see this global issue to where they
are affecting politics around the world, because I don't think
this has just happening obviously in the United States. I mean,
if you look at Europe, if you look at.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
South America, Brazil, especially with the battle between X and
Brazil and freedom of speech, do you really see that
this globalism issue is a big, big issue to America
and a big threat to our democracy, an actual threat
to our democracy.

Speaker 7 (38:33):
Absolutely, And it's so well, it's so well organized and.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
And has you know, it has the so much money
behind it.

Speaker 7 (38:44):
And for example, the United Nations, they came out a
couple of years ago it said that they want to
measure every drop of water and that you know, we've
already got a carbon footprint. Now you're gonna have a
water footprint, then you're gonna have a protein footprint. And Utah,
I'm sitting in my as a legislator, I'm sitting in
these meetings last October a year ago roughly, and and

(39:04):
we and eight water bills come to the come to
the committee meeting and they all say, you, these come
from the UEOC. It was like, I'm asking, well, what's
as the legislators, what's the UEOC. I've looked it up before,
so I knew they didn't know what the UEOC was.
And I said, what's the Unified Economic Opportunity Commission. Still
nobody knows what that is. Well, it's the governor, it's

(39:24):
the it's the executive branch and the executive agency leadership
colluding with the Speaker of the House and the President
of the Senate. So it's a top down it's this
stuff is coming. It's like, nobody knows where these bills
come from. But what they do do is centralize control
of all the water in Utah. Well, if you want
to be the king in the West, you control the water.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
And they know that. So it's like, well, who who's
behind these bills?

Speaker 7 (39:47):
And when you start digging into it, even the people
that are most passionately pushing them do not know what
the source of it is. They just know that the
Speaker wants it, or the President of the Senate wants it,
or the governor wants it, and you you reverse engineer
that and you say, this is absolutely coming through the
National Governors Association right from the United Nations down in

(40:09):
Utah wittingly or unwittingly is passing laws that play right
into their hands of locking up all of our water resources.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
And it's going to have really negative impacts on people.

Speaker 7 (40:24):
Before they before they realize what they've done, they're going
to it's.

Speaker 5 (40:28):
Going to be too late.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Have you seen, by the way, have you seen all
of the I mean, obviously, the Democrats for quite a
while have been talking about, you know, we want to
limit our meat consumption, red meat in particular.

Speaker 6 (40:39):
You know, you eat bugs.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, let's eat bugs.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
You know, that's definitely the World Economic Form approach. And
then you think about also, you know, it used to
be a big conspiracy theory, right that George Soros and
some of these big names globalist elites that are pushing
all of these prosecutors and these big cities like like
like Los Angeles, in Seattle and Portland and in all

(41:03):
these places to essentially let people out of jail that
commit violent crimes a lot of cases. And how much
do you see this just in I guess local government
or judges or prosecutors. Do you guys see that right
now in Utah? That has that been an effect that
you know of in your state?

Speaker 5 (41:25):
Yeah, in a really in a really large way. We've
got well i'll just use the names.

Speaker 7 (41:36):
The Kim Gardner Institute, one of the biggest think tanks
in the state, has just grown and grown in influence
with the state of Utah. Well, you get into it,
you find out, you know, thirty years ago in the
nineteen nineties, you know, Governor Levitt at the time put
together basically a plan and it was and it was
lined up with the World Economic Forum, with the United Nations,

(41:58):
with Klaus Schwab in their offices.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
They have, you.

Speaker 7 (42:02):
Know, Utah Cradle of the Fourth Industrial Revolution, which is
claud Schwap's description of what we're going to have where
we eat bugs, we have our protein limited, we have
our carbon with limited, we have our water limited.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
We live in fifteen minute cities. And Governor Cox.

Speaker 7 (42:17):
Came out said, you know, Utah, you know, we were
planning this big fifteen minute city. We're going to be
the first fifteen minute state, whatever that means. And you're saying, why, why,
why are we doing everything that klau Schwap wants you,
and you tie it back to this Envision Utah and
some really powerful people. And that's what running for governor

(42:39):
I told. I told my supporters early on. I said, look,
they've got billions and billions of dollars invested in this.
They're not going to let somebody like me come in
and become the governor of Utah. They're just not going
to do it, no matter what it takes. So winning
the convention and then and then getting forty six percent
in the primary election, you know, their heads are kind
of spinning because no income. And governor loses the convention

(43:03):
and then comes that close to losing the primary, and
then the people are you know, people are just awake.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
They're just they're just wise to it.

Speaker 7 (43:11):
And you start naming names like Kim Gardner Institute and
like the Envision Utah Project, and it just people's eyes
open up and they're like, yeah, they're not happy about it.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
I do gott to mention this because you know, our
good friend Nathan Jones and clear you know, we've we've
had Nathan on this podcast quite a few times.

Speaker 5 (43:29):
It's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, we love Nathan and you know, he is a
Utah resident, and you know, one of the things he
had he had he and I had talked about before
this episode was you know, I think they had offered
what two hundred and fifty thousand bottles of clear during COVID,
and I guess Utah turned it down on the who
it was that they did it, but they they essentially said, hey,

(43:51):
well that's not FDA approved, so not going to do it.
And he was like, well, we're we're you know, we're
willing to offer this to citizens or people or you know, places,
especially considering all of the data that was kind of
backing clear as far as what that showed with COVID nineteen,
not just COVID nineteen but also the flu virus, and

(44:13):
there's very you know, various things. But during COVID nineteen too,
I mean, you think about Spencer Cox and you know
how he was kind of pro lockdowns in a lot
of ways.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
He was going to pro closing.

Speaker 6 (44:25):
Out schools, masking children.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Basically everything Spencer Cox did was like a Democrat governor.
How did you think that Utah responded to COVID nineteen
in particular, because.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
I think that's kind of a good.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
You know, I guess starting point where if you want
the same again, we'll look at what you had at
that time. How do you think you guys did on
COVID nineteen.

Speaker 7 (44:53):
I mean we were lockt up with the Biden administration
and this was a huge financial play for Utah. Probably
we received more COVID money, definitely more COVID money per
capita than any other state. But it but it goes further.
So you declare a state of emergency that gives the
governor the ability to do what we call no bid contracts,

(45:16):
so they don't have to go through a bid process.
And then his own company, No Me Health ends up
getting all these contracts nationwide to go and do testing.
And there's it's a bunch of tech tech companies that
have no idea about viruses, but they get this that
make several hundred million dollars on No ME Health and

(45:39):
and then No Me Health gets disparaged. And then this
at the beginning, uh, some some key players including the
governor said, oh, hydrochloroquin that that seems to be really
effective against COVID.

Speaker 5 (45:52):
We're going to order all of this.

Speaker 7 (45:53):
Well as soon as Trump became you know, uh, casting
for mentioning hydro chloroquin. Then they pulled all of that
and basically tried to prosecute the pharmacist bordering hydro chloroquin.
And and and that's the same era that Nathan found
himself in with Clear. It's like, Okay, we don't want

(46:16):
something that works, we want something that the Left puts
their stamp of approval on. And Clear, you know, being
a company that actually had a product that was you know,
safe effective. I mean, there's no downside to using to
using Clear, and it really it really helps.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
But they didn't. That's that, that's not what they were interested.

Speaker 7 (46:39):
They had a business model and and Clear was not
one of the you know, when you're picking winners and losers,
Clear was not on the winners list.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, and and and Phil, how do you kind of
classify that? Like how many Republicans are also responsible.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
For say that if you see.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
A product like Clear, or if Clear or a similar
product gives evidence that hey, this is safe at the
very least, it's not going to hurt you. And how
many Republicans would vote against that or is there even
votes on stuff like that to where they say, well,
this is not FDA approoved, So we're not going to
use it, even if you're going to give us two

(47:18):
hundred and fifty thousand bottles of it free.

Speaker 7 (47:20):
Yeah, so you've got I always say schemers are always
ten steps ahead of people of goodwill.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
So most legislators are people of goodwill. They're trying to
do the right thing.

Speaker 7 (47:30):
But they just don't see what's they don't see the
scheme that's being played down in.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
Front of them.

Speaker 7 (47:36):
So somebody like Clear say that it was effective in
preventing COVID, Well, if your business model depends on people
getting COVID, then you're going to figure out a way
to create legislation that bans people having access to Clear products.
And I'm not saying that's what happened, but that is

(47:58):
the mentality where people, I mean really with COVID. We
I don't think anyone could deny that. You know, millions
of people died because of policy, you know, and they
didn't they didn't need to, you know, Fauci, Fauci was conflicted,

(48:19):
and we did all this policy that that ended up,
you know, depriving families of their of their dad, of
their breadwinners, of theirs. It's so sad, it's so sad
that we did all that. And and and no, I
don't think anybody is gonna you know, any legislator knowingly,
I shouldn't say any Maybe there might be a song,
but they're not going to sit there and say, oh,

(48:41):
I want to see people die.

Speaker 5 (48:43):
They're just not. I don't know. You just you're being duped.

Speaker 7 (48:47):
You're being played by people like Spencer Cox, who does
know what's going on and and has huge financial stake
in these things.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
So yeah, and and it goes back.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
I mean, like I said, I don't necessarily blame you know,
individual legislators necessarily during COVID. I mean it's very similar
to I guess how you could say.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
The war machine.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
I mean, you know, the military industrial complex where it's like,
you know, they want to tell you, hey, guys, we
got to protect America and so we we must vote
for this, and we must make sure that we have
weapons for this and all this. But in the meantime,
you know, these military industrial complex companies are making billions
and billions of dollars. We saw the vaccine companies, you know,

(49:33):
Pfizer and Maderna, We saw them making billions and billions
of dollars. If not trillions. It was the biggest wealth
transfer in history, I believe, during COVID nineteen. And that's
the scary part is like people are scared, right, and
the citizens.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Of America are scared.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
And we've talked about things on this podcast that you know,
are conspiratorial, although we do not go crazy on conspiracies.
Most to basically everything we've talked about has been true
and comes true. Yeah, I mean, and yes, I mean
we've entertained stuff here and there.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
That's just kind of, you know, a little crazy.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
But we always make sure that we tell people, hey,
look we don't believe this.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
But let's you know, let's let this talk. Yeah, let's
let them talk.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
And then I will say definitively on the podcast, well,
I don't necessarily.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
I mean, look, we've had bigfoot guys on this podcast,
and I love these guys.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Don't necessarily believe in Bigfoot, uh necessarily, but who the
hell knows?

Speaker 3 (50:28):
It is twenty twenty.

Speaker 8 (50:29):
Four, getting back to you know what, And I'm going
to ask a dumb question because I'm not from Utah
and I don't know, so I'm thinking Utah is usually
a Republican state, and do you think that's why Spencer
Cox pretends to be a Republican.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (50:47):
In Utah except for Salt Lake City, which has some
some really strong Democrat precincts and communities, you you almost
have to be a Republican to get elected. So a
lot of people just put an art by their name
and and and run as a Republican even though they
have really Democrat or left leaning, you know, ideas and policies.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Phil let me ask you this too.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Your you had mentioned Latter day Saints the you know,
obviously Utah is very Mormon, and I talked to Nathan
about that quite often. How much does your faith play
into your outlook and vision on what's going on in
the world today.

Speaker 7 (51:29):
Well, I mean the scriptures are really important to me. So,
you know, I read revelations, I read the prophecies.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
I try to I try.

Speaker 7 (51:37):
To see what is happening on a biblical level, and
I believe it.

Speaker 5 (51:40):
I believe in those things.

Speaker 7 (51:41):
So I'm looking forward to, you know, kind of end
of Times type of things.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
I don't think that that's conspiracy. I think that's that's real.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 7 (51:49):
So so definitely definitely a religious person. I believe in God.
I believe that he's in charge ultimately, and you know,
a person of faith with all of those things which
which you know clearly that's that, that's that has a
dramatic effect on you're alec and things. But for me,
I believe that number one, you know, people are endowed

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by their creator with an alienable rights that we have
those just by virtue of being born.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
So personhood is important to me. Parenthood is important to me. Uh.
You know, communities, counties I think are better level government
to take care of most of the on the ground things,
so very much like disperse the power out as far
as you can get it down the down the pipeline
to the people that are most affected. And that is that,
and that is I think that's so.

Speaker 7 (52:37):
In line with who we are as Christians and believers
in you know, free will and uh and it's the
American it's the American dream. So ultimately, I think it
really bolsters the whole idea of of what it means
to have a republican form of government to be an American.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Yeah, yeah, because we I mean, we are we are American,
I mean, and that and that's the thing I think. Yes,
I mean, we're obviously accepting of other people for sure,
that want to contribute to our values and our culture,
just like any other country would want you to do
the same, you know, ten years ago. Anyway, how dangerous
do you see this election for America?

Speaker 3 (53:17):
And you know, I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Ask too many more questions, but how dangerous is this
election on either side if Kamala wins or Trump wins,
Because even if Trump wins, I feel like the system
in place very similar to what we've talked about with
what you're going through to where they have this either
mentality or ideology or global I guess you can say

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influence to where they have to have and listen, I've
always said this.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
I feel like the globalists have to have America. It's
like the last piece on the table if you do.
If you do not take out America, you don't have anything.
I mean, America has always been the beacon of hope,
the begon of freedom.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
It is it has been. It has been the lighthouse
of the world. You know, if you're looking at how
democracy actually should be for people, for government, America has
been that light. And now we're looking at it to
where the light is fading and depending on what happens
in twenty twenty four. We've already seen it, I believe

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in the past three and a half years under Biden.
I mean, look at how the world has been affected
by this administration. And I don't think a lot of
people will realize that, but you know, the Biden administration
has affected the entire world in so many ways. And
how dangerous is this election on both sides? I mean,
and and what happens if people, you know, Kamala Harris

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wins landslide, some weird, crazy stuff happens.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
How dangerous is that?

Speaker 1 (54:52):
And then how dangerous does it if Trump actually wins
and somehow which is.

Speaker 5 (54:55):
Yeah, I don't know, Yeah, I know that it's such.

Speaker 7 (55:00):
It is the question of the of the day. And uh,
you know I was talking about the inalienable rights. I
love the Declaration of Independence, and you know, to preserve
those rights, governments are instituted deriving their just powers from
the consent of the government. And that's really an important
thing because what we saw with Biden, Yeah he's the president, well,
but did he really have the consent of.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
The majority of the people to do what he was doing?
And I don't think he did.

Speaker 7 (55:24):
And it became really an ineffective president, and I think
that same thing is going to happen to Spencer Cox.
I think he'll end up, you know, claiming the victory
of the election in Utah, and I think he'll be
very ineffected because so many people will be looking at
him saying, you know, kind of like the emperor's new clothes.
It's like you, you may have the title, but but
you're what did you do to get that? Did you

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actually have the consent of the governed in Utah or
or did you obtain that in some other, some other way.
So people, So, on the one hand, yeah, the elections
are huge. On the other hand, and now I'll say
this too, social media. I told my people social media
is God's gift to our generation and we don't really
appreciate how powerful it is that we can still go

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out and on our own sift through all of the
all of the falsehoods and all all the truths and
come up with.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
What we believe is right.

Speaker 7 (56:17):
But you know, programs like yours that that are out there,
people can listen and they can say, you know what,
I'm just not buying it. I'm just not I'm not
gonna I'm not going to believe what the World Health
Organization comes out with next. So all of these, all
these people who have power, when people decide that it's
an illegitimate power, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Well, I'm not.

Speaker 7 (56:39):
A fan of anarchy, but something, something big is going
to happen, and I think people are going to take
control of their lives and their responsibility for their lives.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
And I do think to what you just said, I mean,
I think that the when you bring any sort of
power to people, that is the biggest threat to especially
tyrannical governments, but governments that want to go tyrannical and
government wants, you know, the government don't want to be
like a North Korea or a China or a whatever.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Maybe you can say Russia as well.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
But regardless of the fact, I mean, given power and information,
information I believe is one hundred percent power. If you
give people the actual information on all sides, you give
them complete power because then they can make up their
minds to make up their decisions. And you know, it's
one thing I saw during the Trump administration to where

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you had you had social media companies that were bolstering
groups like Antifa, like Black lives matter, Like all these
groups that organized, you know, made sure that they were
able to coordinate do all these things. But then anyone
on the other side of the ticket or other side
of the party or ideology, I guess you can say

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they silenced, and that's what they want because they believe, Hey,
here's our soldiers if all hell breaks loose in our country,
and here's the ones we're going to silence, and that
is our biggest that's our biggest win, because I mean,
if you look at military, you look at them wars
around the world. Communication is everything. If you can take
out communication from a from another country or whatever the

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case is, you have a massive advantage in it.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Almost just seems like, you know, there is a system
in place that they know that there's a war or
some something weird coming to where they want to set
all this up to where they silence one side, make
sure they are not able to communicate or and that's
why you have massive issues with platforms like x.

Speaker 8 (58:36):
But in the same sense, there's so many people that
you know, you look at what's happened over the last
four years, do you want another four years?

Speaker 6 (58:43):
And you know, even in.

Speaker 8 (58:45):
Utah with Spencer Cox, Do you want another four years
like that? Do you want your property taxes to go
up another forty percent?

Speaker 6 (58:53):
Do you want this again? And there's so many people
that are just on.

Speaker 8 (58:56):
Board because I don't know if it's because they hate
Trump and they just will vote for anyone else. I
don't know what the what the reasoning is, but I
don't understand why anyone would want to vote Democrats.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Which is also why Spencer Cox, which I don't think
we mentioned this, but Spencer Cox has distanced himself very
far from Trump. He does not want anything to do
with Trump because he is on the left side basically,
I mean he is a rhino, that is what Spencer
Cox is.

Speaker 7 (59:25):
Yeah, well, and he's done that for you know, the
last eight years, a Trump hater, a never Trumper. And
then but he did come out and endorse Trump here
a month or so ago, which which lost him all
of his respect from the left. That was that it
was because it's not genuine, it's it's it's it's a fake,
it's a fake thing. So you know, people, people are

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people are getting much harder to fool And I do
think there's going to be a showdown, I think, and
it is going to be information. I mean, we see
what's happening in Great Britain right now. And I had
a young kid contact me just yesterday and he said, Hey,
I'm a Peter science major.

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
I want to move back to Utah.

Speaker 7 (01:00:03):
I'd love to be involved with with you and your campaign.
If you're still doing something, you have any advice for me?
And I said, yeah, pay attention to Elon Musk. He's
he's going to go down in history as the person
that saved free speech. And what we're watching right now,
you know, with Brazil, so it's not just America, but
what's happening worldwide is people are saying, you're not going
to take away my ability to.

Speaker 5 (01:00:24):
Have free speech.

Speaker 7 (01:00:25):
It would be really hard for them to do what
they did to, you know, during the Goo Lug Archipelago days,
because people just have information. I'm not saying they couldn't
do it, because I think they're going to try. But yeah,
it's a really interesting time, really a fantastic time for
people to get involved and absolutely take responsibility for themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Well, Phil, to close this, I want people to help
you in any way they can. What is the best
way to tell everybody where they can follow you? How
they can help you and how they can support you.

Speaker 7 (01:01:04):
Yes, we're on We're on Twitter, uh it's Phil Underscore Lineman.
And we're on Instagram and on Facebook of course a
little bit on TikTok, trying to get more there. Social
media platforms I think are the best place to go
and just engage and and be heard. We have a
website Linement for Utah. It's Lineman fo r Utah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
We're not we're not.

Speaker 7 (01:01:28):
In full campaign mode where we're like trying to buy
ads and stuff, but we are spending money on lawsuits
and things like that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
So if they want to donate, that's great.

Speaker 7 (01:01:36):
Or if they just really if they just get involved
in and speak out on social media, follow us, uh,
you know, follow what's being said, that's huge.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Well, Phil, I don't know if you have anything else
to say, but man, I think that it's refreshing to hear.
And I hate to even refer to you as a
politician because that's such a bad word nowadays.

Speaker 6 (01:01:58):
Yeah, thank you, but we're regardless.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
I think that you are one that people need to
look out for.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Support the people like Phil.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
You got to get behind people like this because the
system is going to fight against everything that you're.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Going to do to prop up people like Phil.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
And whether you guys understand it or not, you are
fighting the system every single day, whether it's the gas prices,
the grocery prices, inflation, all these things.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
That affect your life.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Whether you say that, oh, the president doesn't affect my life,
yes they do. And not only does the president, so
does your governor, so does your legislative branch in your states.
All of these actually truly affect your life. And I
find it always so funny when people say, oh, whoever,
the president does affect me in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Yes it does. It does, like directly, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Think we've never seen it more clearly than the past
three and a half years. And so if you want
to go to the governor side of things, this Winster
Cox guy, listen, he's really bad for Utah. I don't
know what could possibly be done to avert to what
is probably coming for Utah, considering it sounds like a

(01:03:12):
sham anyways, just in my opinion.

Speaker 8 (01:03:15):
Well, like Phil said, we have to get the word
out and we have to spread it on social media.
If anyone is around Utah, lives in Utah, or around
even the state of Utah.

Speaker 6 (01:03:25):
Share this podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
What doesn't even matter if you're in Utah. Yeah, shared
this podcast.

Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
We got to get the word out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Go follow Phil, share his information and the very least,
I mean, think about these things, guys and girls that
are listening to this. Think about the signature thing that
we talked about earlier. It sounds like corruption to me.
Think about the fact that you now have other alignments
on the ballad that'd be what can write in It's ridiculous.

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And this is your system and this is not just Utah.
This is if you think you know a state is
like this obviously, think about how our actual presidency is
going to be less than sixty days from now. It's
a scary time to be alive, but it's also a
very enlightening time to be alive.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
And Phil, we're glad that at least.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
We have people like you that are in or at
least a part of the system. Not the bad system,
but a part of the system that you're trying to
find making.

Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
Yeah, and you're speaking for the people.

Speaker 8 (01:04:25):
What we really need and what we want is our
freedom in our country.

Speaker 9 (01:04:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
And you you know, would you rather have people like
Spencer or Phil? You make that a sense.

Speaker 7 (01:04:35):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it is the tactic of the
left to cause a lot of fatigue, a lot of
pain for people that want to engage in that are
people of goodwill and so yeah, most most you know,
intelligent people say I'm not getting involved in politics.

Speaker 5 (01:04:50):
It is so dirty.

Speaker 7 (01:04:51):
So yeah, we do need to find if there's somebody
that's willing to honestly engage to try to change the system.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
They do need to be supportive work wherever they are.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
So yeah, absolutely, well, Phil, thank you so very much
for coming on. We really really appreciate your time. And uh,
you know, we'll thank you, we'll follow you. We are
actually doing a live stream. I want to announce this
right now.

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
We'll chat that too. Yeah, go ahead and tell well Phil.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Well, Phil will probably be busy that night more than likely.
But yeah, we're going to have a live stream on
X which, by the way, our live streams on X,
our live video streams that we do on X usually
get what was our last one, like nineteen twenty thousand
live viewers.

Speaker 6 (01:05:31):
Wow, it was pretty good. But we cover we like
to cover these debates.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
We're definitely covering the Trump and Comala debate, which is Tuesday,
I believe.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
So we're going to cover that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
Phil.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
If you are free and have nothing to do, just
let us know because you can follow it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:47):
Commentator, all right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
You can always.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
You can always come on and share your thoughts, even
if it's for ten or fifteen minutes.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
Yeah, just jump in and jump out if you want to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
But yeah, our live streams are usually pretty big. But Phil,
thank you so much again for coming on. We really
really appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
Thanks for what you guys are doing. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Yeah, not a problem, guys. That was Phil Lyman.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
We hope that you guys just understand what his story
is here. And the reason why we wanted to bring
Phil on was because when we started hearing about this
literal corruption, I believe in Utah this is like a
Petrie dish, sorry, a Petrie dish of what is maybe

(01:06:27):
to come in America in less than sixty days from
now on the election.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
And I've been saying this for a long time. Will
we ever have another conservative, pro American president in office?

Speaker 6 (01:06:38):
I don't know they ever have a fair election. Again,
it's the question too, that's the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
We don't know. But we're going to close with this song.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
It's called hard in America because that's what a lot
of people believe. We started the podcast with this song.
We're going to close it with this. But guys, we
love you so very much. Listen, if you're an American,
we're going to fight. We're gonna fight for our freedoms.
We're gonna fight for a culture, our our American values, and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
We have to fight with votes. We get to fight
with our voice, and we gotta fight in ways to
get the message out, to make anyone understand what is
really a stake. So, guys, until next time, we love
you very much.

Speaker 6 (01:07:23):
Until then, peace out, guys.

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
Please flatuos.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Wait, maybe I'd find riversoul, drift away love the pain?

Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
What is there's more to do?

Speaker 10 (01:07:51):
There's more love for you, that's true.

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
We may stumble through.

Speaker 7 (01:08:04):
That.

Speaker 9 (01:08:04):
All we have it's precious tones. It's hard to see
in America. Sound thrown him in your eyes.

Speaker 10 (01:08:26):
It's hard to speak in America, and every word creates
the fin.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
But it seems that we're all the sun.

Speaker 11 (01:08:44):
We all need love and hope. Little graves. Yes, it's
so hard.

Speaker 5 (01:08:54):
To do.

Speaker 10 (01:08:57):
To find it, all the humans in this please, it's
hard to rest in America, wait upon the chant. It's

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hard to stay here in America.

Speaker 12 (01:09:25):
It feels like there's nothing lived. There's a reason why
we don't give There's a future.

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
Here, my Lord. I pray that's true. We can make
it through all this, We might be better. All I
want to.

Speaker 9 (01:10:00):
So fire the land in America.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
And it's allow you to day.

Speaker 5 (01:10:13):
Trash, smile in America. That's is matter.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Every time, the madder

Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
Every time,